What is up with Catalonia? (Geography Now!)
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- So many of you have been asking about this for months so we finally address it. What is up with Catalonia?
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CATALONIA IS SPAIN
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If Catalonia wants to be Independent for having their own language and culture then Italy should be divided in like 40 000 countries.
Don't even start on the giant mess India would become if it were divided solely based on language and culture.
It's funny in both cases the north are developed and the south lazy
@@Cosmopolitm south are not lazy lol
If not culture and language, what should be the criteria for delimitating states? Besides, most Catalan independentists wish for a federal Europe.
It is not that they have to be forced to separate, it is just that those regions that want to be independent have the right to it.
1:13 Correct, but to some extent. Spain is divided into autonomous communities. Most of these, such as Aragón, Catalonia, Galicia, the Basque Country and Asturias, also have their own culture, language, traditions, cuisine...
Manuel Bonet most*
alonso geesink-anton Not all of them speak other languages
That's what I thought... If Spain accepts the independence peacefully. All of the other regions would want it too.
Abby Ferrari I doubt that. Most are happy for still being part of Spain.
Manuel Bonet yes, because languages were established in the middle ages according to the nations back then, so a language means there was an entity that standardised that language some 1000 years ago, nothing more.
Besides every region in northern Spain (the one not conquered by the moors, the medieval resistance of old) has a language, Aragon has a language, the Basques, Cantabria is the birth place of Spanish, Catalonia, Asturian has a language, Galicia has a language... EVERY MEDIEVAL KINGDOM HAS A LANGUAGE! The only difference is Catalonia, Basque Country and Galicia were relevant regions in the 19th century when the Romantic love for the dark ages revived medieval languages and only those three brought their medieval language back with Pompeu Fabra in Catalonia.
Besides, it's quite an irrelevant argument based on ignorance, Venice, Genoa, Naples, Tuscany... Have their own languages in Italy, Brittany, Occitanie, Provence, Alsace, Gascony, Normandie... Had their own languages in France... *Do I go on with regions in Europe with separate languages?* the only difference is in Spain we encouraged them and there they banned them, now we see the consequences of being easy on regional symbology don't we? The French were far smarter.
Catalonia: We want independence
Spain: Ok, you probably can't play in La Liga anymore, then
Catalonia: No wait
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 Buenísimo. El mejor comentario de aquí
welsh teams in the prem be like: disagree noise
0:58 Just a thing: Aragon and Castille united because of a royal marriage, not a war.
k thx
Yet the marriage that united the regions into what would become Spain was not between the two people mentioned in the video, but between Queen Isabella I of Castile and King Ferdinand II of Aragon. He just mentioned a completely unrelated marriage
That marriage was to unite the Kingdom of Aragon with the Catalan counties to form the Aragonese Crown, which would LATER unite with Castille with another marriage to form Spain.
Tienes razón, he visto unos cuantos deslizes historicos importantes
Sergio Fabian The couple he mentinoned in the video was the marriage that united Aragon and Catalonia
Por favor, lee los comentarios anteriores en este hilo
Do a video explaining Kosovo, I have no idea why people hate it and why it exist.
WildFreck and the difference between Catalonia and Kosovo Kosovo mostly have albanians who are different from serbs and Catalonia they speak the same language
the people of kosovo are a foreign population of albanians who started migrating to Serbia after the Ottoman Empire conquered Serbia. influx of more immigrants, higher birthrate, a few genocides against serb populations by the Ottoman Empire, and these albanians became a majority in that part of Serbia. When they wanted independence in the 90's. war broke out with Serbia. The UN intervened, bombed the Serbian capital, and gave Kosovo Independence. Oh and FYI, most of these albanians are muslim
So in a nutshell, the UN forced Serbia to give up a part of it's historical homeland to a muslim immigrant population that failed to integrate. That's kinda something most people don't actually agree with. Is the UN gonna bomb your country next when immigrants become a majority in a part of your country?
The fun part is that the same ones that recognized Kosovo will hypocritically reject Catalonia
Artem It's because Kosovo and Catalonia are two different things. Catalans are spanish but kosovars are albanian
calvin Balliu Both cases are quite similar in terms of political recognition, I’m talking about western countries hypocrisy when it comes to those issues. Which is very ugly...
I am Catalan and you forgot to mention a big important factor. Catalan are divided some want Independence and many others like myself don't. This is not a Spain vs Catalonia thing but rather a Spain + Catalan Unionists vs Catalan Separatists. Also, the flag you showed on this video is NOT the Catalan flag. The Catalan flag is called "Senyera" and has no triangle or star and it's the official flag of the region of Catalonia. The "Estelada", the one you showed on your video, it's the unofficial flag that represents Independence from Spain.
He knows that's the independence flag, that's why he's using it. We're talking about Catalan independence, not Catalonia in general.
Raul Tamudo I just hope no one gets killed.
Nobody will get killed! There'll be a few people ending up in prison though.
Faridul Haque I speak Catalan with my dad and Spanish with my mother.
@@PrincessLockette is spain nobody will be killed is a safe country
I love geography now, this channel is always fun and keeps me entertained and I hope it gets to 1 million subs soon
Same here!
"after the zimbabwe episode" ahaHAHAH
As a Spanish citizen, the situation here is disgusting. Our government is weak and the outcome is very uncertain. It is all going to end up damaging both sides
Pinche Spain!lol!!!!
I really don't like how everything is going either. Would you have been fine with a referendum that was agreed upon on both sides and the outcome would have been respected?
Álvaro Well, the Spanish constitution is quite backwards. If the people are not allowed to determine their own future and they are not able to change the constitution, then what sort of democracy is that? I suppose your reasoning for letting all Spaniards vote comes from the fact that it impacts all Spaniards. But if you compare it with literally anything else, only the person/people directly affected by something vote for something. The US can not join a trade agreement, even though it might affect other countries heavily. If you want to quit your job, you can do so without your employers consent, even if that means the bankruptcy of that company. Or to stay by the example of separating a region from Spain, it would affect literally everybody in the world, but they are not allowed to vote - for good reason.
Matthias Schreiber I see your point. The Spanish constitution is not democratic at all and thus there's no reason to support it. I understand people in Catalonia, the Spanish government has always been full of flaws and instability. However I don't think quitting Spain is a good idea for them since they won't be accepted in the EU, another thing I deem as illogical.
Álvaro I am glad you removed the offensive part of your comment :) If you make a point, then you have to explain, otherwise you could have not written anything at all and it would have been the same.
Just to keep you thinking...
You can only kiss yourself in the mirror on the lips
Did you know it took five seconds to...
...to count five seconds
Pallav B That's stolen from Neil DeGrasse Tyson.
Silly commenter. There's a mirror in the way.
*Insert head explosion*
Why would that keep you thinking?
Still waiting for Geography Now: Spain
Can't wait for that
We have to wait for 2 more countries yet
I'm waiting for Tajikistan 🇹🇯 and Turkmenistan 🇹🇲
Me too. It's coming soon
@@t_nicki I am waiting for Turkey brothers
They'd get vetoed by Spain if they applied for an EU membership, I think
Ur right
Does Spain have that power in the UN?
@@aviaviavian All the countries must comply to another state joining.
Moonlit Snowstorm Not in the UN, but Catalonia still would likely lose the vote
Unless Spain doesn't rejoin
Plot twist: Catalonia is actually Portugal
No, its actually Serbija
perhaps
Cataluña es española payaso
@@vgjl1824 tu sí que eres un payaso
@@vgjl1824 catalunya es serbia
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wow that kid is 10 now
Everyone leaves out the Spanish civil war when talking about Catalonia or WW2
Yep
Though I was born in the US, my family is from the northwest region of spain (galicia) and the argument about how different catalunya is from the rest of spain is a very hollow one. Every area of spain has its own culture and separate traditions and holidays. Spain is not all flamenco and bull fights. There are 4 languages in spain which a ton of people don't even realize as well as extremely different cultures across the peninsula and the various islands (catalonia is not special in any way because all of spain is diverse). Also the argument i seem to hear a lot about the contribution of their economy being disproportionately larger than the aid and funding they receive is also flawed. Should new york city or other major economic centers across the country want independence here in the US because they contribute more to federal tax dollars, the economy etc. than the average american? No.
The difference is that you adopted spanish traditions and we did not
The funny thing is that bullfights as we know them now a days were born in Catalonia, and were super typical there, till they decided it was "too Spanish" (well, yes, Caloania is Spain, so obviously, everything Catalan is going to be Spanish). I'm not a fan of bullfights, but Catalonia's separatists argument is stupid. The day the rest of Spaniards decide fuet it better than jamón serrano they will stop producing fuet because it is "Spanish and not Catalan enough". Flamenco is a made up thing from the early 19th century and is only danced traditionally in a small region of Andalucía.
@@miquelcanosasanteularia1678 catalan traditions are spanish. Remember you're still Spanish and you will always be Spanish.
your argument is very hollow, culture/economy is no the only reason you have to take in account history and thee average catalonian who wants independence(even if it is/isn't a minority it is a right for people to decide their fate)
if a country shouldn't be independent just because of culture why isn't all of europe a single unified country?
@@goodaimshield1115 romans had gladiators, do you see them still doing that? cultures change and evolve in 500 years spain might be something totally different than today.
i stumble upon Geography Now channel about a week ago, and i'm already binge watching everything. I don't understand why this channel doesn't have millions of subscribers yet, it's hard to find educational channel about countries in youtube that is political side free. i recommend this channel to all my student friends in Indonesia. Good work, Mr. Barby😃
You missed quite a lot in this video, from the history of the union between Castille and Aragon to the political situation that made necessary the use of force by the Spanish law system, not the Spanish Government.
Also, War of Succession wasn't a war between Spain and Catalonia, but, as it names properly says, about king's succesion.
More info at Alexander Winter's comment.
it was not necessary piripiri, it wasn't the law, the lax permites a referendum
The majority of Catalonia did support the Habsburg candidate together with for example the Brits and Dutch. Catalonia lost big time when the centralist Bourbon won the battle. The Nova Planta decrees suppressed Catalan culture and language. They even closed the Barcelona university and built a huge fortress in Barcelona (La Ciutudella) to suppress the population.
@@aftp6646 You said they closed the university of Barcelona, but at the same time you omitted the fact that they moved it to Cervera (Lleida) instead, which is in the very centre of Catalonia. Typical Catalan separatist propaganda: telling half lies.
@@georgezee5173saying that Lleida is in the middle of Catalonia just shows how little you know about Catalonia
Fun fact, the war of the 1700s had nothing to do with Catalonia independence and everything to do with Catalonia supporting the Austria royal house instead of the Borbon. And they were also not the only region to support that claim as Spain was divided on who should be king.
And not all citizens supported the Austrian royal house. It was a civil war. When we say that this or that territory support x royal house, we are talking about the "official" inclination of its rulling elites, not about the actual population. And for the record, Catalonia first support was to the house of Borbon, till the president got killed and the supporters of the house of Austria took control. So it's not as easy, it was a civil war, which means that there will be people from the same status, social class, region, gender, age, on both sides. They also avoid explaining how the Bornon's policies opened the American market to Catalonia and that is one of the main reasons Catalonia is one of the wealthiest regions in Spain today.
Could someone tell me exactly which section of freedom does the rest of Spain restrict to Catalonia? What right is that one, that is being denied? Which action of their life is forbidden by the police? Are the given privileges at the expense of the other regions, due to nationalist blackmail, not enough spoil?
Two considerations:
1. Only half of the population voted for secessionist parties, from which not all would agree with a truly eventual secession. Stop generalizing so simply.
2. Its not a Catalonia vs Spain thing, dont confuse terms. Catalonia is essentially Spain, its a part of the whole. If you removed cooper from bronze, it wouldnt be called bronze anymore. You cant just refer to them as separated entities. Stop confronting terms and the people behind those terms.
Considering this, my question is: is the so called "freedom" revindicated in this video suggesting that a 40% of the catalans has the right to steal a piece of Spain to the rest of catalans and to the rest of spanish? Is this suggesting the dictature of the minority above the mayority?
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About your considerations.
1. You're giving for granted that the rest who didn't vote for pro-independence parties are pro status quo. In the 2015 Autonomic referendum, the unionist parties just took the 38% of the votes, using your same logic, the 62% voted pro independence?
2. Catalonia is part of Spain, and you use an alloy comparison, well, I could compare It to a company and therefore, Catalonia cannot be forced to remain as an associate.
Also, you call about stealing a piece of Spain? Catalonia doesn't belong at all to people who doesn't even live in It, the rest of Spaniards should have a vote in a unification referendum, of course, but never on an independence one.
Declaring independence per se doesn´t mean anything. A country is only a country if the other countries recognize it as such. We´re witnessing the responses from other powers such as the US and the rest of the EU pretty much ignoring Catalonia's unilateral declaration. Nonetheless, it sets a stage for future frustration and tension...
Signed: A very sad Spaniard.
The most powerful countries decide who else gets to have their own country. Representative democracy, where the elite holds the power, is not a good form of democracy.
A quick moment of silence for all the Zimbabweans that will have to wait, if the upload schedule remains consistent... 3 years to have their country counted.
and three more years will have to be waited...
Every region in Spain has different culture, food, language etc does that mean Spain should be broken into 7 countries??????
dude catalonia is way more discriminated, like waaaaaaay more. Most catalans first of all speak spanish as a second language, which doesn't happen anywhere else in Spain. And basically there are lots of economical issues involved, not just cultural
@@crisl6803 You have traveled very little if you think speaking the regional language as first language only happens in Catalonia. I suggest you to visit small villages in Galicia, Asturias, León etc...
@@shuepsx652 Yes but I'm not talking about small parts and a significant minority. I clearly said MOST, the MAJORITY of catalonia speaks catalan as a first. And that does not happen anywhere else in spain
@@crisl6803 It also happends in Galicia and Euskadi. Trust me, I live here.
Come to india.. 29 states speak 29 different language
okey i'm spaniard and i'm gonna try my best to give you some facts that are objetive and not very spoken in the media:
You know what? there are really good comments in this section, read them and ignore mine if you want
The independentists have been around (with representation in the government of the region i mean) since democracy was established back in the 70s, they were given like a special "taxes plan" to pay less, but with the crisis of 2008 where a new goverment was voted they removed that. Also a lot(soooo much) of corruption cases appeared, everywhere, in the central goverment and in catalonia's goverment too (they even created a new party to you can say "cover up", thats difficult to explain, look for "3% cases" if you want to know more). As Barby said, Catalonia has a great debt with the central administration and the health system is a chaos, but instead of fixing the system, fighting against corruption and solve real people problems, they are using all of this like a smoke screen, to keep hope and people attention away and mantain the power. Every region of Spain has his own culture and for me that's what makes this county unique and beautiful, we are sick of corrupted goverments and i wish this situation serve as a way to change people's mind and start focusing in what is important
This is the most sensible comment
I'm catalan and that's true. But I also have to say that spain has also debt with catalonia.
eleco elecos No it doesnt, a central goverment cant owe money to a regional administration, that doesn’t make any sense
haha i see that in your "facts" and speech you can see clearly which is your subjective opinion about the matter
Amics, no perdeu el temps responent a Ignasi Planas. He is too far gone...
The war of Succesion wasn't over Catalonia's independance but over the Spain's next king, please, do more research before saying stuff like that.
Greetings from Valencia, a Spanish bordering region of Catalonia.
Tony Studios Question, how do you Valencians view this whole situation?
Sarina Alexa It's very difficult. If you had asked this in 1934, the previous Catalan independence declaration, most would have agreed. But right now, there many Spanish nationalists here. So most are against it.
Something is clear, the project of "National Spain" is not coherent with culture and history. We should rebuild Spain as a plurinational state with real self-government, kind of like what Bolivia is trying, yet not succeding.
Tony Studios seems like valencia cf are beginning to become a better team again
Dimas Terol it is perfectly coherent with history, I agree with federalising Spain but giving historical legitimacy to lies is not something I agree with.
Catalonia was Roman in Hispania, part of Visigothic Spania, ALL THE SAME AS THE REST OF SPAIN FOR A MILLENNIUM and then a cultural region formed by separate counties in resistance against the Moors, all under the influence of the County of Barcelona and all vassals of the Franks. Then all Catalan counties joined Aragon after a century of being a vassal independent confederation of counties, turning into a region of Aragon. When Aragon joined with Castile to form Spain, Catalonia joined as a region of Aragon. It revolted in the 17th century after Phillip IV tried to create the _unión de armas_ (union of weapons) a union of military forces so all regions contributed the same to the Spanish army, Catalonia wanted to keep contributing less, so it revolted. In the War of Succession Catalonia mostly supported the Habsburg family, but the Bourbons won and Catalonia had all its privileges and regional institutions abolished as the Bourbons imported the French system, where all the French were the same in privileges and administered from the capital. After that Catalonia defended the Spanish identity and border against Napoleon and participated in the Spanish constitution of 1812. Then came the civil wars like the Carlists with Barcelona supporting Isabella II and Gerona supporting Charles... Catalan political separatism appeared at the end of the 19th century with the Romantic movement like German nationalism or Italian nationalism. The Catalan language was brought back from oblivion and Catalan symbolism too. Then came Franco in which Catalonia fought on the republican side mostly and then democracy.
Naples was a nation until 150 years ago, Venice, Bayern, Prussia, Lombardy... ALL of them were nations during centuries more than Catalonia until recently. Provence, Venice, Naples, Genoa, Alsace, Brittany... ALL of them have regional languages. *What makes Catalonia a nation? When it was a vassal confederation at best some millennium ago during a century and has been linked to the rest of Spain every other moment in its history?*
Dimas Terol saying Catalonia is a nation because of culture or history is *absolutely untrue!* If Catalonia is a nation, what is Naples? Genoa? Venice? Bayern? Prussia? Alsace? Brittany? Normandy? Texas? California? Florida? Provence?... *If Spain is not a nation NO MODERN NATION IS A NATION!*
I'm from Barcelona and I have been carefully following this political confrontation for years, which only recently appears to be reaching levels never seen before. Democracy is a beautiful word, and separatists constantly use that word to justify their actions. However, what this video fails to address is that all the political milestones that the Catalan regional government have been achieving are ANYTHING but democratic. To put it into perspective, in the Catalan parlament, separatists represent 47% (official numbers) of the population while non separatists represent 53%. However, they have a narrow majority of seats which has allowed them to carry through their so called "proces" (process for independence). They approved both the law for the referendum and the law for disconnection without allowing the opposition congressmen make amendments (BASIC right never violated before in that parliaments history) and both laws went against both the Spanish constitution and the estatut (essentially the Catalan constitution). The laws were passed with SIMPLE MAJORITY (any referendum around the world demands QUALIFIED majority, but they knew they didn't have the seats for that), and the laws did not state any minimum participation for the voting, because they knew non separatists would NOT vote as a form of protest. Overall, its a political movement based on imposing one sides believes and ideology through a regional government that has no interest or affection for the other half of the population that does not share their views. As a regional government they can legally and legitimately strive for independence by collecting the necessary support in madrid to ammend the national constitution, thus legalizing a regional referendum. People that don't live in Catalonia have no idea what its like to not be represented or defended by your regional government, SEPARATISTS are NOT the victims here people. Thats all I wanted to say, hope it gives you guys more insights on the situation, have a good one!
Go back to Castille and leave Catalans alone
YOU leave the Catalans alone. A minority of separtists aren't idelogically superior to the rest of Catalonia. You people don't even represent 50% of the population, so you have no business in manipulating democratic institutions such as the Parlament for your own selfish, supremacist, nationalistic agenda. P.S. If your're not happy go find an island somewhere in the Atlantic and colonise it.
You obviusly know nothing about Catalonia. These Catalans you mean are Castillians like you, they are not Catalans, they are immigrants that don't want to integrate in Catalan culture. We Catalans want independence. And yes, we are more people than them.
Why are you more Catalan than them? They were also born there, speak the language, and share a common culture. Thats a border line neo-nazi mentality. You think you are a superior race, that's pretty sad. Let me remind you of something: Legally speaking, we are all the same and have the same status, so there is no way a minority, let me repeat that- A MINORITY- is going to impose there convictions and ill concieved notions of a false state on the rest of the population.
If you are not happy with your Catalan neighboors, leave. Bye bye.
I think you should check your reading comprehension. It's not that I am more Catalan than them, it's that I'm ethnically Catalan, while the 95% of them are ethnically castilians like you. They don't have Catalan as their main language, they came here during the Francoism, they are colons. I'm sorry, but it's how it is. It is not a coincidence that the independentists are majority in Rural areas where Catalan is the majority language, while the more castillian is the main language in a city/town the more pro spanish people are in there. Look at Hospitalet, Cornellà, Santa Coloma, etc.
Then, I never said that I'm superior, maybe you have a inferior complex and you look at us as superiors, I don't know. I just said the truth, in Catalonia there's catalans ethnicals and castilians. And we are not a majority, look at the Parlament, we have always won the elections, and in the last ones, pro constitution parties only had the 39% of the votes... Do you really think they are majority? Then why don't they win the eleccions?
Honestly, if Catalonia wants independence it should try to do it the legal way, this is not the way to gain independence and it will only make thins worse. Spain's constitution prohibits any kind of seceding referendum, so obviously if the Catalans try to do one, it would be considered illegal and therefore stopped by authorities. However the Spanish constitution allows something that few constitutions allow, which is to be changed. If the Catalans really want independence they should try to change the constitution the legal way, so that it would allow for a referendum. The problem is that most secessionists hate Spain and everything to do with it, they don't want to try to do it the legal way, they don't care how they get independence. For them the ends justify the means, and that's not a good thing...
They've tried it many times. The Spanish government just wouldn't let them organize a legal referendum so they had no other choice. The Declaration of Independence of the US was illegal too btw
Yes, the US declaration of independence was illegal, and it led to war... I'm just saying that if they really want to be independent they should do it the good way, and war is never good. Besides, they can't just declare unilaterally independence when they don't even know if a majority of Catalans want independence. There's clearly a lot of people that want independence and also a lot of people that don't. They tried to hold a referendum that failed (in the sense that the results cannot be taken seriously), and then declared independence. I just don't see how this is a good thing for Catalonia: basically no country in the world has supported this, thousands of companies are leaving Catalonia, its GDP is falling, there's tension and hate between its citizens etc. It's madness
Catalonia has the 16% of the population (7,5 millions people)
Catalonia elects 13% of deputies in the Congress (47 over 350)
Catalonia elects the 7.5% of senators in the Senate (20 over 266)
To change the Constitution you need a majority in the two chambers, and later the new Constitution must be voted by the majority of people in all Spain who obviously would vote against
Catalans will always be a minority in Spain and the legal way you speak about is simply impossible
the Constitution of Spain doesn't ban an independence referendum, it just bans an unauthorised referendum. So it can be done without changing the Constitution if it had the support of the Spanish Congress, government and king... but yes it's impossible too. This was was already asked and rejected, even when the Congress had the perfect situation to ask it (Podemos and PSOE could rule Spain together with the support of pro-independence parties if they accepted the referendum)
Anything possible within the Spanish laws has already been tried and failed
There is a much bigger and stronger hate from Spaniards to Catalans, than the opposite
you could also say " the ends justify the means," to the Spanish government who is using any possible way to avoid the independence, such blocking websites, taking political prisoners, beating voters, spreading lies, increasing tension, radicalising people, doing such a huge a campaign against Catalonia and disrespecting its own laws
Dude, if you want independence from Spain, go live abroad.
@@tiorimas That's exactly what they are trying to do: going living abroad Spain by separating :)
From what I've seen it think it's a disgrace to democracy on how both sides have reacted. Spain for all the reasons Barby mentioned and catalonia for seeking independence when less than 50% of the populous voted. Both sides need to sit down and just talk to each other before a civil war erupts.
Timebolt Agreed.
Timebolt most of the votations have less than 50% participation. Btw, somthing most people outside cant see ( and I understand) is that more than 50% participated but around 770k votes were taken by spanish police ( lots of footage in youtube if you want to check) so only 40 % could be counted.
Alex I read about that actually so you are right about that. It's just that I feel that with the numbers that we do know about they can't make a decision like that. Something has to happen to allow catalonia to have at the very least more autonomy in my eyes.
Wow this is three years old but hey...
So basically in almost every election in the last decades separatist parties have won by a big majority in Catalonia (this year's one got even better results), so we're not just going off of the referendum votes (where a big chunk of the population who were against it didn't vote because it wasn't Spain approved, you know the deal).
And just as a side note believe me when I say Spain is very much not willing to talk about the independence any time soon. Of the main 5 political parties here, only one approves of a legal referendum be held (the left-wing one of course).
I totally agree with you, but it's hard enough as it is to get Spain to sit, let alone talk or get to any kind of consensus.
If the reason was up with Indians now then India would be divided into 31 countries
Leen DT it would probably be better for all tho, less centralized power is always better
In India the Hindi belt though being a drain on the south has never really tried imposing their languages and cultures.
This has save India. Nehru though initially sceptical after a partition did the right thing. Right now though an economic arguement holds ,majority south Indian feels a visceral connection to the Gangetic plains and its Holy lands.
But bjp trying to create a bogey of national security with regards to a threat to national integrity is undermining the cause for India.
The beef issue has alienated so many malayalis that it's sad.
Leen DT we are happy with India..
Leen DT actually it would dived even further Pondicherry and daman and diu wanted to be a seprate countries in 2012 but the uprising's media coverage was censored.
typical pointless commie bs..
I come from 2030 to tell you all that the zimbabwe episode was amazing ... Effects were epic.. Those robot co hosts were funny as hell... I wet my granpa pants..
Can u describe what u saw in more detail please about the Zimbabwe episode
I assume Mugabe will still be alive.
Lolll
varana312 And oily.
I think it's not about Catalonia Independent, It's about Money and Politics...
Melawan Lupa EXACTLY. Catalan independentists and government are just selfish and don't want to pay for their brother regions.
Love how non-spaniards are suddenly the experts of Catalonia, the point is that whilst Madrid has been very heavy handed in this; their referendum was still illegal in a constitution they pushed forward. Not to mention the fact the referendum had only 38% turnout. So tl;dr Catalonia is off its nut
Well,if all the countries start dividing on the basis of language or ethnicity,we would have thousands of tiny countries.
86upsmaya respect minorities and other states wont have to face the same problem, spain is really incompetent in this matter
and maybe they would all be so small they couldn't afford armies and wars would end
You kind of forgot to mention a key point regarding EU membership. In order to enter the EU, there has to be a unanimous vote of approval. It is very likely that if Catalonia applies, Spain (and possibly other states) will not allow Catalonia's entrance into the EU. I also wonder how they will trade, since in order to have a treaty with Europe, they will have to do it with the whole EU, again Spain might just deny that isolating Catalonia form continental Western Europe
Indeed, neither Spain nor France (which has catalan depatments) will never accept Catalonia as independent country. And other EU members which have secessionist movements in their country won't want this either. To accept Catalonia would mean they accept nationalistic tendencies and the divisibility of countries integrity. And a successful secession of Catalonia could mean that other regions of Spain want to secede as well.
Well in that case, Catalonia could negate to pay any Spanish debt towards EU, which would automatically put Spain in total bankruptcy
@@perrymanso6841 that would isolate then even more, they would be saying the world "we don't pay our debts"
@@rafafc4127 nah, It would say to the world "we don't pay illegitimate debts".
@@perrymanso6841 and it is illegitimate because you want, right?
One day I'll will hold a referendum to declare my house and garden independent I already know it will be a 100% in favor since I live alone. I have a vastly different culture then other ppl around me so it's legit.
us catalans have the right to autodetermination, if youre not catalan you should shut up
Actually first you should declare yourself a municipality and then a province and then an autonomous region and then a contry
@@martacaga so just because youre from there you should decide over a territory that is spanish?
@@martacaga you can't even take a joke. No wonder you fell out of relevance
Óscar Martínez austin it’s not spanish if the people don’t want it to be. el poble mana, el govern obeeix!
Thank you for always keeping me updated!
I have a question though - what's so wrong with a country with diverse cultures, languages, cuisines etc? I am Indian and most Indians can't even communicate that easily with each other because of language barriers. We have deep cultural contrasts. And issues do keep coming up but a multi-cultural society is not impossible, right?
Unless the Catalonian people have been oppressed by the Spanish government over the years, I don't see the cause of conflict. Enlighten me, someone?
Catalonia pays more taxes to the central government than they get back, because they are the richest region. Many Catalans now think they would be better off if they didn't have to pay any taxes to the central government, and in order to not look as if they were completely selfish, they say it's all because of "different culture", and because the fascist Franco regime suppressed them pretty brutally a few decades ago.
Apparently, catalonians feel like they could be even richer as an independent nation because the spanish government takes a good part of the money earned there to invest in other places that actually need that investment. In other words, they thing it's not fair to give Spain so much money and not get a fair local investment in return. First world problems... right?
You guys make it seem as if being rich and doing well is a good excuse for independence. By that logic anytime a region of a country is doing well economically should separate. The point of being a country is to help and that includes helping the poorer regions. My neighborhood is becoming richer than any other neighborhood around so I am going to become independent so the taxes just go straight to my neighborhood... that logic would be chaotic for any country. Look at Germany when they were separated, once they joined it was hard the first years but you look at them now and they are so powerful united.
Danilo 5% was mentioned in the video :/ can i get the source of where you are getting this? Obviously for educational purposes
For separatists the culture is only an excuse. The real problem is they don't want to pay for other poorer regions to get the services they get. They will always try and sell you the "oppression" of their culture, but there is literally nothing to back that up.
Little details:
-You kept using the estrellada, the flag independentist catalans use. The actual flag of Catalonia doesn't have the triangle and star, they added it on the model of Cuba's flag to represent a rebellion against spain.
-Carles* Puigdemont, not Charles
He knows it's the independent flag, that's why he's using it. We're talking about Catalan independence, not Catalonia in general.
It's called estelada, no estrellada
I really don't know how I feel about any of this, but I hope another civil war doesn't happen and I also hope no one gets killed. Good luck Spain and Peace 🇪🇸❤
If civil war comes, it will be over in a few months
If that happens, I will go to another country >:(
Noooo
Espanya roba
@@carlescpi7536 Catalan?
Little mistake!
Never was a war between Spain and Catalonia. In those times the Kingdom was Aragon or Valencia in front of Castilla. even in that time Catalonia wasn't a nation.....just a Condal.
Anyway not your fault, there are a lot of fakes and bad intentions
Swamp Thing it’s a pity! I gave real data, and you started crying. Take in to account you must study Portugal history and France, just to understand what happened internally in Spain. And why Catalonia don’t complain against France. Or Olivenza conflict... and you finish a point whit LOL... and I speak catalán lenguaje as well Valenciano, the father lenguaje. Don’t make simple that is not.
Swamp Thing you don’t need to insult me. Rather answer or read my statement: never was a war between Spain and Catalonia. And in that moment Valencia was a Kingdom, and Catalonia had only the level of a condal. That my statement.
It wasn't just Rajoy, the Supreme Court ruled it unconstitutional as it blatantly defied Articles 2 and 92.
Catalonian politicians didn't care and went ahead with the referendum anyway.
of course they did, this country is a democracy, which means that the people decide what they want the goverment to do, not listening to what the people say is antidemocratic
@@martacaga there's a constitution and some procedures that they have to respect, it's not up to the people
If Catalonia leaves Spain, Spain is basically no longer Spain, as the centuries long union between Castille and Aragon is "dead".
Just to say, Catalonia is Spain! The Catalan Parliament is crazy to think they can survive on their own!
Actually it's Spain worried to survive without Catalonia, not the reverse.
I love your videos and I know you try to make them as understandable as possible (which you actually manage to do really well), but I believe that this one lacks some historical context and some more information and facts to undertand what the issue really looks like:
-First, in 1707, it WASN'T a secession war or a war for independence, it was a SUCCESSION that apart from involving most of Western Europe it also created a "civil" war inside of Spain between the Crowns of Castille and Navarra (supporters of the bourbon pretender), and the Crown of Aragon, in which Catalonia was a part of it.( supporter of the Austrian pretender to the throne).
-The current government of Catalonia doesn't actually have a majority of the popular vote, in fact they don't even get to 50% of the voters, they just have more seats in parliament because of the electoral system, where some regions inside Catalonia have the same number of seats regardless of their low population as Barcelona, for example.
-The people of Catalonia aren't opressed at all, and enjoy the benefits of the full democracy that Spain really is; regardless of what the secessionists call the central government. You just have to come and visit Barcelona to see it :)
Just wanted to add that, because the picture is really much more complex, and I believe that you make it seem like everyone in Catalonia agrees with independence and the methods that the regional government is using to get it.
santi traver Thank you
All good points, but the reason the separatists have a majority of seats without a majority of the popular vote is not that all provinces have equal representation in the Catalan Parliament (they don't). It is partly because Lleida, Tarragona and Girona are deliberately given slight over-representation, but also because of how the d'Hondt method of proportional representation - not to mention the 3% threshold within Barcelona province itself - favours the larger parties over the smaller ones.
Episode on Sealand confirmed.
you don't explain that the 50% of catalonia dosen't what the independence .....
It's spelled "doesn't" dumbass.
Patih :D okay mr perfect.
@@likeabumblebee You do know not everyone is fluent in English, right?
@@luispenin5547 Sure I do.
@@likeabumblebee Then why did you call him a dumbass? :(
So... are they gonna play in the World Cup?
Pabu's Animations or la liga
Would we still have El Classico?
Rien B. No more El Classico. Just Real v Atletico
not this one its too late they were still (and kinda still are) part of spain so they missed the world cup qualifiers if they can be independent before 2020 they will be able to play in the qualifiers for the world 2022 and the catalonia soccer players wont be able to play for them as they have played for spain some players like Gerard Piqué,Busquets ,Fàbregas and so on wont be able to play for them only spain
It'll prob be like AS Monaco playing in Ligue 1, Swansea City in the Premier league or Toronto FC, Vancouver Whitecaps FC and Montreal Impact in the MLS.
I've been waiting for the episode of Spain coming up soon :)
Somalia isn't even up yet.
It's finally up
@@adamender9092 thx for announcing me!
Living in Barcelona right now, that's a good summary of the situation. Keep up the good work!
Question is: *What is down in Catalonia?*
Nationalism
Barcelona
Sonsos
The stock market
Flea market
Catalonia has always been a part of Spain and will not separate now for the will of a few rich people.
haven't you listened to the video? There was once a time when catalonia wasn't a part of spain. Our last dictator totally discriminated catalans and consequently they just went their own way, which results in the massive differendence in culture. It's not a few rich people, its the 48% of catalonia.
@@crisl6803 Spain has never existed without Catalonia, in the same way Spain has never existed without Asturias or any other autonomous region. Franco didn't discriminate Catalonia more than any other region, he placed the industry there. Sure, the language and the rest of the peculiarities were surpressed, but that happened in every region, to every language and dialect. Spain is not a country of two cultures, it has many, Catalonia is not special.
Not everyone vote, and the pole wasn't clean, so the numbers are moot
laja the dictator discrimianted everyone,no only catalanans. u just believe the stupid victimism
You know, living in an era of globalization, it's depressing to see regions wanting independence everywhere
Globalozation will never unite everyone people still keep the identity and culture even if influenced by others and even the caralonian independent movement isn't only about culture its also about history and economy, since the 18th and the events after its only natural such a thing happened.
Quinto Licinio Cato well,separatist movements in spain are the closest thing to globalization.Bc they literally want to import ppl inside and other cultures.
@Swamp Thing I am curious why you think globalization would be bad for humankind
@Swamp Thing I see where you're coming from. I guess from a cultural standpoint it's the price we pay for a more economically globalized world.
Funny that you put the Castells as their own tradition, since it's actually a Valencian tradition exported to the south of Catalonia (Tarragona area). And about the cuisine... Well, as any other region of Spain, they have a couple of dishes that are traditionally theirs, but that's about it, as it happens in every single country of the world having variety throughout its territory.
_CASTELLERS_
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Sorry thats just not true. Im from Valencia, cousins of the catalans, and Catalonia and the basque country have so many unique characteristics, although it is true being part of Spain for so long their culture has become more "spanish like" overtime. It is called cultural assimilation.
"Els castells" were born in Valls (Catalonia). Whatever they were doing in Valencia, could be similar, but it is not Castells.
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Lama143 This problem is already well known and old. You people just comment that to get easy likes
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Thanks for all your info you make it super easy to understand! Glad you enjoyed Europe saying hello from Ireland!!
I'm from the Basque Country and this topic it's a little bit complicated, because nowadays there's a lot of tenssion in Spain and you can't trust only one media. Because either catalonian and spanish medias aren't objective and none of them say all the truth. By one side, the referendum had not all the necesary legal guarantees and in the other side, Spain doesn't want to dialogue. In the european aspect, there're a lot of regions which are culturally very differents of their country. Personally, I don't know what is better, but I hope one day the spanish government allows the dialogue and the autodetermination, for regions such as mine, Basque Country, a linguistically, culturally and historically separated region.
Ander Villacian of topic, but I hope the Basque gets the right to self determination.
Ander Villacian Wait a minute, You Basque people don't have self-determination yet?
Sarina Alexa to my knowledge, no. Article 155 of the Spanish constitution forbids any part of Spain to secede, so that means that even if the majority support leaving Spain, it is not legal under Spanish law. That’s why the Basque group ETA was fighting a guerrilla war, because Spain wouldn’t allow the Basque Country to become independent.
Ander Villacian The spanish government gave the option to talk to the independentists several times. The nationalists are the ones who dont want to talk.
Luis Breva, the spanish government has never properly given the opportunity to talk about independence. Rajoy doesn't want Catalan independence at all costs.
All regions of Spain have their own cuisine, customs, laws, dance, etc I wouldn’t even say Catalonia’s is the most special or different
Every region in Spain has is own culture, and there are several languages across the country. And every region is an autonomous region.
SO WHAT? xDD This mantra that spaniards repeat like parrots give you zero valid points on "why not" Catalonia should secede...
@@perrymanso6841 Every region in Spain has is own culture, and there are several languages across the country.
And every region is an autonomous region.
@@lucacardoza2533
1st- The majority of Autonomous Regions have NOT an own language.
2nd- There's territories with major differences with other territories in terms of history, legacy and invasions, so that's another difference.
3rd- Try to name a country in which It's territories have bigger differences between them...
@@perrymanso6841 relax mate, i was only teasing you by answering with the same exact comment as the comment you replied to. where are you from by the way (for credibility)?
@@lucacardoza2533 What has where I'm from to do with the credibility of my words? There's was some data I put out wrong?
I´m from Spain and I´ll try to explain some stuff in order to understand the problem a little bit better. First of all, Spain is a country with a lot of cultural differences between each region; of course Catalonia is different from the rest of Spain, as well as Galicia, Andalucia, Basque Country, Asturias, etc.
It´s quite hard to explain the historical relations between Catalonia and the rest of Spain, but to resume: It was part of the Aragonese crown, that in the XV century unified with the Crown of Castille, making what Spain is today, although being more like a Federal state. In the 1700s there was the Succesion War, and Catalonia supported the losing side. The new king made a centralised state and Catalonia lost its regional powers. In the XIX century, due to Romanticism, there was a Reinassance movement to preseve catalan language and literature, that evolved in some kind of regionalism-republican-federative movement. After civil war fascist Franco´s regime banned catalan, and independence movement raised with the democracy.
These independent movement was always a minority until the economical crisis, when it grew up a lot saying that Catalonians give more money to Spain than the money there receive back. Nonetheless, not all catalonians want independence, and that fact is really important. Based on the recent referendum (that by the way was quite controversial, people could vote as many times as they wanted) about 40% of the population wants independence. I strongly disagree with Spain´s reaction and police´s violence, but we need to understand the whole situation and don´t get impregnated with the romantic idea of a folk fighting against an oppresive foreign country to reach freedom. It´s not that easy.
Llarga vida a Catalunya (i Espanya també)
Good job for such a short video, as a half Aragonese/Texan myself... having grown up in Aragon and having many Catalan speaking friends... good job, you have your work cut out for you for the Spain video, I hope I can help you out with it Barb.
Nicely explained, I like how you tried to give unbiased facts :)
Now just let me tell you Catalonia is as different from the rest of Spain as the rest of autonomous regions. That happens in India, in France, Italy, Germany... That's not the reason a minority want this to happen.
Catalonians have a parliament ruled by 4 parties which have completely opposite ideology but got together just to get the independence. They've clearly said if they get it, they'll split so imagine day 1 of independence: Elections again. Day 2: New currency. Day 3: Try to explain the EU they want to be in the Eurozone (while other countries such as UK, Italy, France, Greece... also have some region wanting to become independent too) and I remind you it's not up to Catalonia to belong to the EU, there needs to be unanimity between all countries which are part of the EU to let another country be member.
They have no plans whatsoever to overcome all this, which may incur in a huge economic inflation.
So the reason why their politicians are pushing this so far is to make Catalonia a federal state. That would mean "I don't even need to listen to you, your laws or to be accountable for anything I wanna do or hide". As simple as that. Catalonian politicians have a very bad fame for corruption (so does the current Spanish Government, which shows they are all the same).
Want facts? Check how many companies have left Catalonia within this month. Hint: Over 2000...
He tried but it was extremely biased due to poor research. There are so many things wrong with the video.
are you catalan? do you know how it feels to live in a coutry that doesnt feel like your country? no. shut up.
Thanks for your video Barbs, you tried to approach a very controversial issue being as accurate as possible and trying to stay neutral on the matter. However: 1) Catalonia has never existes as a country as you well said on the video, it was part of the Kingdom of Aragon, which joined the Kingdom of Castille and formed what is now present day Spain or the Kingdom of Spain. 2) Spain is divided into 17 automonous communities and two autonomous cities and each functions as an independicen región with their own parliament and president. I'm not sure about the degree of auntonomy but I read a study recently which stated that Spain is within the 20 most decentralized countries in the world. Similar to US States or German Länder. 3) Catalonia has its own language, which derives from Latin just like Spanish, Italian or French did. Yes, they protect their language and the Spanish Constitution guaranties that Catalan and the other co-official languages of Spain (Basque or Euskera and Galician) are fully protected and promoted being those languores present in the education, mass media, street signs. I don't think there are many countries in the EU that do that with minority or regional languages. 4) Each Spanish region has a distinct cuisine, culture, folklore, etc. Andalusia (where I am from) is very different from Catalonia, Galicia, the Canary Islands or the Basque Country but that spices our country up a little bit more, how boring would everything be if we were all the same. 5) The Constitution states that the sovereignty resides in the whole spanish nation, therefore a región or a part of the country cannot seccede from the rest of the country unless we all vote or we all agree that they do a referéndum. 6) The Catalan Parliament tried to do something similar back in 2015, votes in an illegal referéndum and nothing happened because nobody took the result seriously, however the Catalan President had to call for regional elections and he cannot be in politics for a few years because he incurred in a crime, was tried, etc, etc. 7) The result in the 2015 regional elections was the following: Slightly over the half of the Parliament is formed by independentista and slightly under the half of the Parliament by non independentists. Since the former Catalan Premier had to resign they named Carles Puigdemont the new president. They call for an independence referéndum to be celebrated on October 1st but a regional government cannot be above the Constitution, therefore the Supreme Court (not the Spanish president, who by the way I don't like) declares it illegal. 8) They are warned that the rererendum cannot be celebrated because it is illegal and they go on with it. 9) The Supreme Court dictates that it can't be celebrated and schools cannot be open for voting and ballots must be retrieved. What do they do? The Catalan Gov buys ballot boxes on Ali Express (I'm not even joking), which are not transparent as they need to be by law, they occupy schools the whole weekend on so nobody can close them and they can have their farde of a referéndum. The Mossos d'Esquadra (Catalan regional police) are asked by the Court to close school and to seize ballot boxea and ballot papers but many of them don't do their job which is to comply with the law and the National Police and the Civil Guard has to act. I don't support violence and I did not like what I was on tv that day, but if you impede the police to do their job, you're probably going to be in trouble. That was a sad day anyway. 10) We could all see that day on tv people voting on the streets without an electoral census, people voting several times in different schools and posting it on fb and twitter and supporters of the referéndum carrying ballot boxes on the way to schools tripping over and the boxea opening and surprisingly not being empy even if the farde had not yet commenced. 11) Result: 90% of the participants votes yes for independence altohugh the turnout was 43%. The rest of Catalans simply did not take part on this simply because they knew if wouldn't be recognized. 12)Carles Puigdemont makes an appearance on tv saying that Catalans have votes yes for independence and that he will declare it asap. 13) A few days later he declares Independence for a minute and then suspends it stating that he is giving the central gov an opportunity to negotiate. I mean, you're carrying out a coup d'etat and you talk about negotiating? 14) The Spanish Gov send the Catalan premier a requirement to which he needs to answer in a week wether he did or he did not declare independence. He had two different days to answer: he did not reply in any of the cases. 15) Puigdemont is invited to go to the Spanish Senate to defendí his cause and to expose his case, first he says he's coming, the he says thursday doesn't suit him, better friday, then he declines the invitation. 16) The central Gov and the rest of the Catalan parliament implores him to call for regional elections. First he does, then he says better not. 17) Madrid activates article 155 of the Constitution which allows the central government to assume a regiones competences in case that región is trying to break away. 18) Independence is declares by the Catalan Parliament but only by the separatists because the other half MPs leave the room in order to not participate in something illegal and unconstitutional. 19) Carles Puighdemont is summoned to Court as well as other MPs and accused of sedición, rebelión and embezzlement of public funds to orchestate the referéndum and 9 of the show up but Carles Puighdemont and other 4 MPs leave for Belgium. In conclusión, Catalonia is a rich región of Spain, with a particular culture and language but Catalans enjoy a great degree of freedom, are part of the EU because they are part of Spain, the € is their currency because they are part of Spain, they would immediately be kicked out of the EU if they were to break way from Spain. Since October 1st, more that 2 thousand companies have moved their head oficies to other parts of Spain seeking security, Catalans are divided and this separatas movement if damaging Catalonia and Spain. Is this really worth it? Can't we just go on with our lives and focus on what really matters? No nations has recognized Catalonia as a state and the Catalan Gov has lied to the Catalan people promising the a dreamland, telling them they would be better off without Spain, saying they would be de new Denmark of the Mediterranean, Lying about how they wouldn't leave the EU, telling them companies wouldn't leave and the list of lies is endless.
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In reality Catalonia is not more special than other regions, for example Valencia, Andalucía or Galicia (really, all regions). I think it's more about money than culture.
Thats true, the goverments and the richs want build up his own tax heaven and find to convence the people that are opressed from spain
The problems are basically that we cannot be like the bask (managing ourselves the taxes)
If Catalonya becomes a country what will happen to Fc Barcelona?
Will Catalonya have a good football team to play in the World Cups?
Probably not because most of their players aren't Spanish, let alone Catalans, hahahah. They also wont have any regional leagues to play in...
I’ve studied abroad in Madrid and am now taking a Catalan class so it’s definitely interesting seeing both sides of how Catalonia is viewed
This is the kind of stuff that I find super fascinating. I had never even heard about this. I doubt Spain would want to lose Barcelona economically.
This is exactly what's happening. They are forcing them to remain despite Catalans never wanted to be part of Spain. But because it's economically relevant Spain is using the force and violating civil rights to avoid them leaving.
@@Ciappi79 what have you read lmao, the Catalans gave full consent to be part of the Kingdom of Spain, there's no civil right violation.
@@GeoTren28 No sorry that's not true. They were conquered, never expressed the willing to join Spain. Anyway that's not the point what happened centuries ago as self-determination is about what people wants now. Also colons in former America swore to their kingdom England before traveling to the New World, but they turned to a declaration of indipendence anyway later. Do you believe USA shouldn't be independent and go back to England?
@@Ciappi79 İ wish America didn't exist, that's a different topic though. America gained independence from the Constitution by creating a war and being backed up by the French, Spanish and Portuguese. Canada, Australia, Ireland, etc. gained independence because the UK became weak and no longer invested in their countries. In order to gain independence, Catalonia would have to start a war and be backed up by at least half of the UN states (by recognising the country). Last I checked, Catalonia does not have an army and has no support from any country, not even the famous Kosovo. Similarly, if Catalonia were to be independent, this would mean the Basque country and Galicia would take the advantage and be free.
@@Ciappi79 also, you are very stupid, sorry to say it. Go check the Spanish history: Catalonia and Aragon became one single empire, but Catalonia was never its own. The Crown of Aragon (which included Catalonia) fully consented to being unified with the Kingdom of Castile. Spain was not even existing, so it did not conquer Catalonia. What happened is that Castile and Aragon-Catalonia unified. if that Constitution was not signed, Catalonia would be its own country to this day and Spain would've never existed.
In the 21st century we are building unions not walls. That's the point of the EU and programmes such as erasmus or interail, financed by the EU too. Please, stay united everyone.
jockadoobee catalonia has an autonomous government, which has more than the half of the duties (education, hospitals...) So it isn't what we, the Spaniards say. Also the Spanish parliament is composed by people of all regions, only Barcelona takes more than 30 seats on it, so it is what Catalonians, Madridlians, Andalusians, basques, and all of Spain says.
Salquimont Preach! Nation of Nations!
I know a lot of argentinian people and they are soooo nice people and they´re accent is so beautiful. Love you from Barcelona
Wrong video sooorryy
Despite some inaccuracies, thank you.
This is probably one if the few videos that is neither favourable nor unfavourable to Catalan idependence. It is quite neutral. As a Catalan Republic supporter, I think we all need to cool down a bit and see it more neutrally.
Every part of Spain has a distinctive culture, cuisine, traditional dance, music and clothing, some parts have their own language like Galicia or Valencia, so Catalonia is not a special case in Spain at all🤣And this video is soooo wrong and has so little research🤷♂️
So what? The catalans and the basques mostly feel like a different nation, regardless of what other places do
nixxxon18 They feel that way because the catalan nacionalist propaganda. 2 years ago almost nobody in Catalonia wanted to separate from Spain but sudently they feel "different"🤷♂️ And from an Historical, cultural and linguistic point of view I can understand why basques feel that way but catalans?????🤣
You have no clue what you're talking about. This independence movement comes from very long ago, just that recently has somewhat "exploded". Also regardless of independence or not, catalans always felt different to the rest of spain and wanted to keep their own stuff, culture, language... And each country/nation has its own propaganda...
nixxxon18 Not really I've lived in Barcelona for 5 years and my grandparents are from Catalonia, I know pretty well what I am saying. Catalan nationalism wasn't really spread until 1 year ago or so. There was an independence movement of course but it was pretty small and only a very defined group of people was in favor. Massive catalan propaganda has created such a "big"(there are not 100% oficial numbers) movement And I obviously know that every country, company, religion, etc have their own assets and propaganda.
Doncs jo soc català i visc a catalunya desde que vaig neixer ja fa quasi 35 anys i et puc garantir que no estas gaire ben informat del tema, nacionalisme i independentisme semre n'hi ha hagut i l'augment en els ultims anys no es per propaganda sino perque l'estat espanyol s'ha estat riguent de nosaltres i ens han putejat sense parar, tot va començar amb el tema de l'estatut, fes una mica de memoria
Thanks for creating a video about what is happening here, Geography Now!
1st error is trying to explain something this complex in a 5 min video (I'm guessing that's how you need to do things to attract americans to watch a video)
2nd mistake is constantly putting the "independentista" flag and not their real flag, as if they were already a soberein and independent state.
3rd error is constantly talking about Catalonia as a hole, where everyone wants independence. Reality is that even after 30 years of manipulation in schools and millions expent in propaganda more Catalans feel Spanish that the ones that don't. Instead of using a referendum which did not meet any of the requisites for it being trustable (people did not let pro-spain people vote, independentistas voting multiple times, under age voting, no guarantee of ballots verification) you could use Catalan regional elections and voting surveys in the region to see how many people supports what (righ now is around 47% pro-Spain, 40% pro-independence). Also just 20 years ago independentistas where much lower (around 15%) which shows 2 things, the incompetence of the National Government to solve the problem and the social engineering done by this totalitarian nationalist that govern the region.
4th error is saying Catalonia was part of the Corona de Aragon and that thay faught a sort of war against Spain in the "Guerra de Sucesion". This just shows complete ignorance and not even a few minutes of further research. Cataluña did not exist back then, in the Corona de Aragon you had the Barcelona county, the Kingdom of Aragon, the Kingdom of Naples and Sicili. The "Guerra de sucesion" was a war to see who was going to be the next king of SPAIN so they were fighting for their prefered King of SPAIN... Which honestly I would've supported the Austrias like they did, cos Borbones have being the absolute decline of the Empire etc..
5th error is considering Europe more united than it actually is and that they have a say in this. What a French or a German thinks about the situation with Catalonia is absolutely non of their bussiness.
Last I'd like to say that is normal that many of you believe all this fake information, as during years they have being spending millions in international propaganda and spreding their opinion in universities social media and communication media. It's absolutely normal as being recognised internationally as independent is really important to achieve this goal. They even made multiple "embassies" by embezzlement of public funds from all Spanish to spread their agenda...
Thanks for reading and read more... don't be manipulated that easily :)
Touche!
@@smartkitville7167 The real flag is actually a copy of the Aragon flag, so that would be pretty confussing
My upper lip can kiss my lower lip and vice versa
It's easier with the upper lip though.
Then your lips kiss very badly yo need two lips to kiss properly
What!?
ShahedVideo my ass cheeks are kissing all the time too!
i knew i had to open this comment
I'm from Catalonia actually, and things are very complicated. I used to kind of support independence, but when I got out of the region and out of Spain itself, I realized how really messy the situation is. There are linguistic rights of Spanish speaking children being ignored, there is 53% of the population that is AGAINST independence, and there is a lot of manipulation going on. I don't disagree with a referendum, but first, they have to give Spanish speaking children the right to study in their mothertongue. Separatists are not as innocent as they seem
We need more input from real Catalonians in the comment section
There is plenty. I've just spent a solid half hour looking through it. Most of them are unionists who want to remind people that it's not a majority who want independence.
@@JTZFX It is not question if it is the majority or not. The problem is the fact they are NOT ALLOWED to vote, if they try they get hit by police and all their leaders are arrested or exiliated. That's the problem. If human rights were respected the indipendence issue would be easily fixed by voting, as it happens everywhere else, but Catalans can't choose.
Catalanes are quick to ask for independence saying they are wealthy but conveniently forget that all that wealth came from the nation project where they were heavily supported by the rest of Spain. The ports were not constructed with catalan money, but from money of the central government.
Pretty much the same for Basque
Keep on doing this we love your work
False: Catalonia never was a Kingdom it was part of the Kingdom of Aragón. You can talk about an count of Catalonia, never a Kingdom.
In the region of Catalonian where more then a several languages with similarities between them. Pompeu Fabra create in the late 19th century a grammatic for that languages to unify the rules ofthe language ( he was an chemistry ingeneur and the grammar was a book of 150 pages).
Zero international recognition, no trade routes, no governing bodies willing to accept a new interlocutor, no standing army, no currency, no passport, no stock in trade.
Catalonia, how's that independence working out for you?
Thanks Barbs! You explain everything so well!
I’m Spanish and I don’t really want to get involved in a fight but I just want to say, since all the illegal elections and the independence declaration a lot of companies in Catalonia had left and went to Madrid, and now Madrid is not only the economic motor in Spain it is also the most developing one since they increased their GDP 2,9% and Catalonia decreased their GDP 2,1%. Also Barcelona has now began a dangerous city in Spain as in crime rate, nowadays, Barcelona having half of Madrid’s population has 10 times more criminal rate so if we counted per capital, Barcelona has 20 times Madrid’s crime rate per capita, so Catalonia is not the economic motor of Spain.
With that being said as a spaniard I want dialogue between the central government and Catalonia’s government. Also even though the majority of Catalonia’s parliament is independent, it is not the majority of Catalonia’s population you may think that makes no sense but it does because unequal electoral district system in Spain’s elections favor more rural areas than cities giving rural people votes count more than people living in cities.
In conclusion as Spaniard I want Spain to remain together but not with civil wars dialogue always comes first.
Carles Puigdemont not Charles Puigdemont lol
I'm glad that you report very neutral and factual on this topic. One thing that keeps annoying me is the natural thought, that people who want independence want to build a wall around themselves. This is not the case, quite the opposite. We want to be independent to be a partner on equal footing, rather than having to ask "big daddy" first before deciding something. The whole way towards more centralism is creating a monopoly of politicians. More smaller countries who have to compete with each other to keep the people in the country with something like a EU as a keeper of peace (not much more) would be ideal. The splitting of countries would surely provide some temporary instability, but that would just be temporary. It is like a bone that grew together crooked - you have to break it again and align it correctly, so it can heal properly. I rather have somebody fix my bone than having to deal with a crooked one my whole life.
Catalonia is Spain 🇪🇸🇪🇸
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Loved the video! But just thought I should point out that I think you’ve made a historical mistake, you seem to suggest that at the marriage of Petronilla of Aragon to Ramon Berenguer IV, Count of Barcelona occurred when Catalonia was already a part of Aragon and this union made it a realm of the Spanish crown when in fact this union meant the county of Barcelona became part of a personal union with Aragon and it was not until the marriage of Ferdinand II of Aragon to Isabella I of Castile in 1469 that Barcelona’s rulers became the same as those of Spain (and it began its journey to becoming a part of Spain)
Indeed. Catalonia was never part of the region of Aragon. Catalonia was part of the Crown of Aragon. A confederation. Catalonia was an independent entity. It was only really absorbed by the central state after Catalonia backed the wrong candidate in the War of Succession. The Suppression after that loss was massive.
Hey! Love your channel btw. Also there's a lot of stuff you either kind of missed or got wrong, though. I live in the Valencian country and am always studying and reading up on these topics of Spanish national identities within the Spanish state. If you'd ever like, for the autonomous and disputed regions episodes per se, I'd love to chat up with you! HUGE fan, btw :)
Wait... You said Valencian country?
Here in Catalonia, we want to live back in a united, and diversed society, free of egocentrism and nationalisms.
That's a pipe dream. If you flood your country with foreigners, you will not be united. You'll just collapse into factionalism.
"Cover after Zimbabwe..." 😂
By that time, let's hope the current world order is still maintained... 😅
Ruslan Abu Sneineh XDDDD
Great way to explain it Paul! THanks!
Actually secessionists have only a support of 40% of the population (and declining) the other 60% wanting to stay in Spain.
true, they often claim that over 80% wants independence but all the fantics voted while a lot of people who didnt care as much tayed home
You didn't mention that a lot of companies are leaving the region and specially the big ones and hence their "economic might" will stay in Spain.
The ceos leave, the actual factories and workers and the services to this workers can't really go anywhere.
I mean if you want to sell to the world its a good idea to produce near a harbour, Madrid is as far of harbours as it gets. Just my opinion thou no real data to back it up.
You have a pretty big harbour in Valencia, and more Spanish harbours facing the Atlantic sea. Don't get it wrong: Barcelona was heavily favoured by Franco because of its location, close to France (and therefore, closer to the rest of Europe), creating among other things the SEAT cars factory and forcing people from poorer areas of Spain to migrate to Barcelona and its sorroundings as an inexpensive workforce (Extremadura lost almost a third of its total popuplation during the 60s because of that). The thing is now Catalonia is under different economy rules based on being in the EU, and an independence would mean stop being a part of the EU. If that ever happens Volkswagen (current owners of SEAT) would not hesitate for a single second to shut their plant in Martorell down and make their cars in different factories throughout Europe (which includes Spain and its factory in Navarra). The mere loss of Volkswagen in Catalonia would mean losing around the 7% of its GDP. Only by losing Volkswagen (which would definitely happen). Just think about the rest of big European companies that operate in Catalonia and want to stay under the umbrella of the EU... It would be a total disaster for Catalonia's economy.
Spain certainly has the upper hand there.
you didn't mention that spanish government was forcing em to leave catalonia (for example, seat said they were being told to leave)
La Rage du Peuple Right, the 1000 companies that left Catalonia among them their most important banks were all "just told to leave"...
El Clasico is gonna be great this year
Catalonia gets independence-> Basque gets independence-> North Italy gets independence-> Bavaria gets independence-> Kosovo gets independence-> Xanthi of Greece gets independence-> Kurdistan gets independence.
Spain, Italy, Germany, Serbia, Greece and Turkey would be greatly affected if Catalonia gets independence. The feelings of independence will become more common in those areas/cities and what will follow won't be peaceful. 6 countries having a civil war at the same time??? This might be the end of Europe
Royal Pepe I really doubt that Bavaria succession vote would win.
Kurds wont be independent.
Royal Pepe There is no need for violence. We are doing everything very peacefully... And this independences could be the birth of a new and better europe.
Royal Pepe boy
Maybe Europe should be a cooperative union of smaller states, not a union dominated by a few large ones.
I think there are faults on both sides. The Spanish governments aggressive use of police force and intimidation were not okay. That being said they did hold an illegal referendum. I believe in the right to self-determination. The Spanish government should let them have a real, safe, independence referendum. I'm sorry but 43% turnout still isn't enough to justify a mandate for declaring independence. We have no way to know what the result of a high turnout referendum would be unless Spain allows one. If both governments can reach some sort of compromise to make that happen (like the UK w/ Scotland) then more power to the Catalonians if they want to be independent. Of course, the government in Madrid would probably never let that happen in a million years. I will say the last thing we need is more people to die for something like this. Peaceful progress is usually the best option.
Not to mention the fact they brooke the rules of they´re own parlament to declare indepence.
I agree with you but a high turnout was impossible with that situation The schools were assaulted and many votes were uncounted and permanently lost (so tehnically more people voted than that 43%), some people didn't vote because they were scared of so much violence, others didn't vote because they found the schools closed, others didn't vote because the Spanish government and parties promoted the boycott.
Obviously a peaceful referendum accepted by all sides would be the best solution, sadly it sounds impossible.
Agreed that the Spanish government's actions in suppressing the vote were not okay. I'm by no means an expert on the situation. I just hope the people of Catalonia and Spain can come to an agreement without bloodshed.
Thank you for explaining cause I had no idea how to understand all of what was happening. Clear and understandable. Thank you.
AFTER ZIMBABWE???
Damn, they are set for forever!
Here before the *Comment War*
janitoalevic Oh god here it comes
Here FOR the comment war
FILLER WEEK IS BACK YAY!!!
I see you put the UK in the EU map.
I also like to live dangerously.
L T HORNING it’s in the eu until 2019
and he's technically right to do so, as they're still in the EU
UK is still in the EU, and continues to be included in all documentation.
A notification is not a declaration.
The UK should not even be included in the map of Europe.