How GOOD was Mantine ACTUALLY? - History of Mantine in Competitive Pokemon
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- Mantine is today’s Pokemon for our competitive history series! Join False Swipe Gaming in this overview of Mantine in competitive Pokemon!
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0:00 - Intro
0:59 - GSC/Gen 2
2:29 - ADV/Gen 3
4:58 - DPP/Gen 4
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8:31 - XY/Gen 6
10:48 - SM/Gen 7
14:16 - SS/Gen 8
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Mantine is the perfect example of what giving just one singular healing move does to a forgotten Pokémon
As does an HP buff.
I also forgot they did that to him
Honestly Mantine really was the first big Gen 2 winner before PLA and SV started giving stuff to almost every single Gen 2 Pokémon
Bastiodon.
Imagine if Bronzong or Claydol got a healing move. Immediately an OU wall, with Bronzong being a bulky Gyro Ball user, and Claydol being an effective hazards remover.
What's that track playing in the background?
I would have never guessed Mantine was Skarmory's counterpart
How? It's Sp Def stat is a dead giveaway in Gen 2 where counterparts were everywhere lol.
I mean, weren't they even version exclusives? Once you see that 140 SpDef, you get the deal
They were version exclusives in the Johto games, part Flying types and while they have the same HP + Speed, their physical and special stats are swapped.
Me ether
Then they stopped being counterparts in Gen 4 when Mantine got a pre-evolution in Mantyke. Then to further drive the point home, they gave Mantine a HP buff in Gen 7 so Mantine and Skarmory's stats don't even mirror each other anymore.
You forgot to mention in the gen 7 section that Mantine also got a +20 boost to its HP.
Feels so weird that Mantine got that while Skarmory got no stat buffs but ig Skarms good enough as is
hmmm
He always forgets to mention that.
@@skylandersfan6954 i guess theyre more like unofficial counterparts. Like ho oh and lugia have the same stats as mewtwo just swapped around, but theyre not actually related. Gen 2 did a lot of reusing other pokemons stat numbers
@@skylandersfan6954 bro we dont need 85 hp skarm 😭😭
That +20 HP for Mantine was a massive buff for it. It really goes to show how important base stats can be.
Considering what they've done with Dondozo and Tatsugiri currently they should have a combonation mode for Mantine and Remoraid
Considering that they have been giving evolutions to mons like Bisharp, I wouldn’t be shocked if they did that for Mantine and maybe gave it a similar Commander ability for remoraid
@@jacksonparker6983
We need Octillery to evolve into a cartoony arsenal fully packed with missile launchers (the missiles could very well be Arrokuda).
It doesn't even need to be an octopus anymore, it could be an amalgamation of various marine animals.
@@jacksonparker6983 we need a remoraid version of dragon darts
Imagine a past version of mantine that uses a past version of remoraid as a club
@@OkidoStudios Imagine a future one that is more like a submarine and remoraid is like a smart torpedo
I just imagine watching a list of viable objects to equip Mantine be like:
Items:
Leftovers
Assault vest
Citrus Berry
Remoraid
1) Post Thanksgiving meal
2) Body Armor
3) A pear
4) Gun
*sitrus berry
@@typhoonboom thank you, I'm Spanish so for me is called "baya zidra" So I didn't know how to spell it correctly in English, but I should have looked it up.
@@DanelUbedaPortugues Its fine, Im not english either, so I cant say Im always perfect, but i knew this one
@@rene9175pew pew fellow pokemon
This video really shows that one or two move additions or buffs can make a single Pokémon viable. It is nice to see that Mantine didn’t become untiered. Even if it only was OU for a short time, it was still OU in Gen 7 and Gen 8 and still stayed around UU/RU/NU. Impressive
He didn't mention it, but mantine also got a 20 point boost to it's low HP (literally a ~30% bulk increase) unfortunately, in gen 8 and 9 they stop boosting old pokes based stats, only nerfs like Aegislash and zacian
For sure. I've always felt that was a better way to make a Poke Viable as opposed to giving them megas.
still grateful they actually gave Drednaw Shell Smash in S/V, among some other movepool additions
As the special version of Skarmory, It did pretty well. I like the small stat buffs of gen 6 and 7. They were sometimes useless but for Mantine and Swellow, they helped them a lot without breaking them.
I wish Skarmory got a pre-evo and the +20 to HP that Mantine got but it has a better competitive history than Mantine. But it had to compete with Corviknight in SWSH.
@@IgnitedQuils Skarmory has always been very dominant in singles Ou and it finally fell to uu because of Corviknight, I don't think it needs any stat boost for now
@@IgnitedQuils Stat boosts to Skarm before Gen 8 might have pushed it into being banned to Ubers because we all know how much of a hassle it was in OU as it was
Swellow got a boost to its Special Attack. How was that helpful?
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It’s been a hot minute since we asked the age old question. It’s worth the wait. Now we just need Latios, Heatran, and maybe a new Ice type video. Maybe a speculation of how dangerous Ice types have become in Gen 9
*Chien pao noises intensify*
He has done the lati twin
Latias was done over a year ago so hoping her male counterpart would get one.
This channel doesn’t really do speculation, just retrospectives. Moreso a place to document the competitive history of the game, not try to predict it.
I actually don’t think Ice-Types have improved that much compared to the previous generation. Chien-Pao is only one Pokémon, and the trade-off from Hail to Snow allows the non-Ice-Types an extra 6.25% HP per turn no longer being lost. It’s something, I guess, but this isn’t nearly enough for me to call Ice a viable type again, especially in formats where Terastalizing is allowed and Pokémon can change to one of Ice’s four resists at a moment’s notice.
Rare footage of a Pokemon not falling to power creep in gen 7
Getting +20 in your HP stat helps a ton
And reliable recovery in Roost. Can't forget that.
Rare footage of a gen2 Pokémon not being in the lowest tier for all its competitive life
I never understood why Mantine did have a pre-evolution but Skarmory didn’t.
Name it Scarlessie.
Okay GF, hire me.
Because Mantine is special not physical👏🎉
Let's be real, the real reason we played gen 7 was to catch those sick ass waves with our boi Mantine
Or to play a seemingly endless barrage of dope sidequests.
And traveling through Ultra Wormholes looking for shinies.
and for lillie
@@inklovemail hol' up.
@@bluebaron6811 no not like that 😭😭😭 i jus mean lillies a really good character and tbh who didnt play sun/moon for the story
4:00 I never knew that golurk was a gen 3 water type. Always learning something new from this channel lol
They’ve made this mistake before 😂 it’s almost like a running joke at this point.
[trainer] sent out Golurk!
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17:29 Gossileopod?
I really liked using Mantine alongside Steelix in gen 6, they cover each other's weaknesses perfectly
This works in ADV too
Mantine being a counterpart to skarmory is blowing my tiny mind rn
Same stat values, version exclusives in the Johto games and part Flying types, but physical and special stats are swapped.
It's pretty weird now that they don't have the same stats anymore and that Mantyke is a thing
I started playing at gen 4 so for the people that are 20ish mantyke being skarmory counterparts has never been a thing
I remember this good boy from Colosseum, such a good water type to have for most of that run
Love mantine, it is so underrated. Its competitive history is so cool too. The remoraid under its wing is so cool too and mantyke is pokemons cutest pokemon
Plus it makes sense due to Mantine resembling an aircraft, plus learning moves like Bullet Seed, Psybeam and Signal Beam.
@@IgnitedQuils Remoraid also learns those btw
B Rank in GSC PU, C rank in ADV UU, A rank in DPP PU, B+ in BW PU, A- in ORAS NU, C+ in SM RU, and A rank in DLC2 SS NU. A pretty big journey for a sometimes forgettable gen 2 Pokémon! Mantine has been earning the tools throughout generations with Water Absorb, Roost, Scald, Defog, a stat buff, Hurricane, and Heavy-Duty Boots. All these tools have come together to make Mantine survive the crashing waves of power and tiering creep compared to other bulky Waters from Gen 2, like Politoed, Qwilfish, and Lanturn. Water Absorb, a strong unique typing, and great utility have made Mantine worthy of higher tier niches too! Mantine definitely gets some points for its offerings throughout all of Sword and Shield. Scarlet and Violet will miss this big ray.
My entire life, everyone in the anime and my circle of friends said “Man-Tine” but then suddenly overnight, the anime and other forms of media suddenly all say “Man-Teen.”
I’m still unsure how to feel.
I waver a little too but I generally find myself going for manteen
I usually use the old anime pronunciation just cause it rolls off the tongue easier
I thought it was Man-Tain.
It’s been “tine” for such a long time, I’m just sticking with that.
It's man-teen. Firstly, man-tyke, as in a small child, then man-teen, as in a teenager!
I remember Mantine Surf was so fun. I also have fond memories of a great success in gen 6 with Cryogonal and Mantine being my bulky SPDEF walls online.
When will Manteen finally be able to evolve into Manadult?
I like mantine's face.
It's so lifeless, yet so happy at the same time.
The most shocking part of the video is people finding out it’s in gen 2
You did Mantine dirty by not mentioning how pivotal it was to check Blastoise in NU, it even tanked +6 Ice Beam and Dark Pulses for days (Until you got flinched or frozen)
Gen 2 gang Ursaring, Stantler, Dunsparce, and Girafarig all got evolutions recently, hopefully Mantine will get one eventually as well!
It got a baby form so Mantyke in little Cup is something.
I don't think it will because of the prospect of Eviolite Mantine being a thing, but it would be great seeing a regional or even Paradox form for Mantine. A Flying/Steel Future Form of Mantine with 570 BST coming to kick Corviknight's ass for kicking Mantine's counterpant Skarmory's ass would be ironic
nah id hate to see flying steel mantine, a water grass past form swamp mantine or an electric water frail sweeper future form
I've watched so many of these videos that at this point, I've pictured the whole tiering system to a gargantuan tower. (Strap in, it's gonna be long!)
This tower houses almost every single Pokémon in existence, and each floor of it has a gymnasium that gets more and more state-of-the-art the higher the floor is from the ground. Each of these floors represents a tier in the Pokémon metagame, from the elaborate and awe-inspiring OU at the top, to the shabby NU on the ground floor. (PU is the recently-installed basement, and most avoid looking at it.) In the tower as a whole, the Pokémon compete with each other to be the best.
Depending on how a Pokémon performs in a tier's battlefield, they can get moved either up or down a floor. Pokémon who are too strong for a certain floor yet too weak for the one above are confined to that floor, but are barred from participating--Borderline. If a Pokémon is too weak for even PU, they get kicked out of the tower entirely, becoming "Untiered". But if a Pokémon is too strong for OU, they get invited to a grand, ethereal battlefield floating above the clouds--This is the Heavenly Arena and where the Ubers reside.
And in the insane event where a Pokémon dominates even the gods themselves, they get banished to another dimension where nothing exists except a howling of both winds and a canine creature, as well as the apocalyptically powerful presences behind them... Anything Goes.
howling of both winds and a canine creature... NAURRRRRRRR U DIDNT JUST MAKE THAT REFERENCEEE BYEEEEE
I like to imagine the tiers as these little clubhouses. The lower tiers (NU-UU) aren’t much but they’re humble, and they can afford Pizza on Fridays! PU is a bit run down but it still has a nice community of Pokémon in there. OU is a lot more pristine, they have a foosball table and everything! Ubers is the most lavish of lavish, with their hired Indeedees doing their work and maintenance around the place. Anything Goes is Uber’s backyard where they kick out everyone who they didn’t like. Some Pokémon from the lower clubs can play in the higher ones if a friend invites them, just ask Ariados.
There is one creature that goes to all the floors at some point because it gets used everywhere. A certain Swampy Smiley Boi. No one knows how it keeps going to all the floors when it should be so low, yet it has the numbers to stay.
Turns out, said Swampy Smiley Boi is illiterate, and hasn’t been able to tell PU from OU. He only recognizes the letter U and assumes that means he belongs there. (He also thought the G in Anything Goes was a particularly weird looking U.) He’s also entirely correct every time, and everyone loves him too much to kick him out.
ZU's the illegitimate parking lot fight club located at the dumpster outside the building that the strongest Untiered refugees have chosen as their residence to avoid being out on the streets, its inhabitants are the Pokemon that just barely managed to beat out the Route 1 mons (and Regigigas) to decide who gets to live inside the dumpster and earn exclusive rights to the expired graham crackers that get thrown out on weekends.
mantine is my favorite pokémon of all time! I wish i had one IRL.
Where would you keep it
In a Pokéball. Where else?
i see your creepy intentions hidden on that commentary
u weirdo
@@six8810 what,
Mantine would be great if you gave it Dondozo's ability from gen 9, except you have to use a Remoraid. +2 to all stats in exchange for a 2v1 plus its incredible tank stats mean investing in HP and special atk would make it a great air slash/surfer.
Whoa whoa whoa, the nickname of that Scyther in the intro was WILD 😂
Dang, I was watching the video thinking “oh man, Mantine needed an evolution or a mega or something to keep up” then gen 7 rolls around like “naw it just needed roost”
Sometimes it really is just as simple as a new move. We saw how Quiver Dance helped Venomoth.
He didn't mention it out loud, but it also got its HP buffed between generations 6 and 7. Larger HP pool to begin with and a healing move is a big buff for a wall.
Always loves Mantine since I saw my first one back in Silver. Sad to hear how much it struggled early on, but glad it at least got some love later.
Weird he didn't mention the Base 20 stat boost to it's HP in Gen VII. That's not a small change, and it did a lot to help it become the tank it did.
What the heck, 17:29 Gosoliopod?! 😂😂
Love love love your videos. Glad to see a fully evolved Pokemon on the video this week!
Someone in gamefreak really like this mon because they also gave it hp buff as well
Great analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
FSG is starting to put up shiny versions of the pokemon he discusses. Both Beartic and Archeops started this
Yooo! False Swipe is back with one of my fav pokemon! Damn your content keeps improving
I had forgotten about this channel and don't remember unsubscribing but I've re subscribed and now it's time to binge watch what could be years worth of missed content
I'm going insane due to the pronunciations Kellen FSG
Me too
That is the pronunciation used currently in the anime and Pokédex 3D app. Despite it being pronounced as Man-tyne early on.
Yes thank you love this Pokémon and about time we got a how good was a certain Pokémon video!
FINALLY!!! Been waiting for this mon forever
It’s amazing to see how far your videos have come! Have you ever thought of revisiting some of your older videos?
Been enjoying the newer/other style of videos, but happy to see another in the classic on a classic mon
I love this series more than any other of your videos but I love learning things I otherwise would never know in them too. Mantine being Skarmory’s counter part is surprising to me
My favorite Water-type. Been a massive fan ever-since I saw it in Spell of the Unown as a little kid. 🥰
Hurray my boi is finally getting a video!
The Pokemon that is somehow the counterpart to skarmory! Cool! Also it's nice to see you do "How good was this Pokemon actually?" again! Yay!
Seven Gen II Pokemon
Were chilling in the sticks
Mantine got some neat buffs
And then there were six
Yeeeeesssss! One of my all time fav mons. Love this guy.
Best way to start the morning ❤
One of my all time favorites! Let's go!!
Love how they causally use the shiny for the thumbnail, never seen 'em do that before
With the new terastalizing feature in Scarlet Violet and being able to remove any "quadruple weakness" from these type of walls is HUGE, specially with an ability that makes it immune to some type and can even give it double stab boost.
Shoutout to all the patrons, Mantine is my favorite Pokemon, really happy to see this vid
Mantine has been a hidden gem for me in drafts. One of my absolute favourites and has become one of my signature Pokémon amongst me and my friends.
It's good that mantine is getting used in good tiers sometimes. I love it it's my 2nd favourite Pokemon of all time before Ho-oh of course
I had no idea of that Mantine-Skarmory fact. So happy to learn new things to this day of my first pokemon game
They should give it an ability based on Remoraid. Like, if you have a Remoraid in your party Mantine’s speed is doubled. That would be a cool addition
Eviolite Mantike in VGC Gen 7 was actually soooo good !!!
With
-Haze
-Helping hand
-Icy Wind/Tailwind
-Wide Guard
Was so good countering Geomancy Xern, Primal Kyogre and Groudon !
It was also a good teammate for Kyogre and Xern cores ! Really a OP support with speed control, helping hand and really good special bulk ! And Blocking all the double target moves with wide guard
Glad to know that Mantine adapt, I was always so worried about Mantine for some reason when comes to Gen 2 pokemon (mainly cause it being a water type weak to Rock), I used Mankyte in Pearl version btw
It was briefly touched upon, but I was such a huge fan of Mantine in gen 7 UU. Nidos and Gengar pretty much never ran thunderbolt so Mantine was one of the few natural checks balance could employ vs them. When Feraligatr screens was a popular playstyle, it was quite solid in that meta as well as a decent hazing bulky water. 4MSS was an unfortunate truth of Mantine in that tier though, having to pick between haze and toxic or finding another defogger was a pain.
I didn't realize that the item Metronome gets its power boost reset if the opponent uses a move like Protect. You learn something new every day.
Matine using Supersonic Skystrike is the funniest thing to me. Just imagine that majestic sea flap flap dropping on you out of the sky like a big squishy pancake.
Mantine looks like a stingray that just got there in the competitive scene.
Giving it Volt Absorb and Sap Sipper on top of the Water Absorb ability it has would probably do it wonders. Water veil is nice and if a pokemon could have four abilities I would keep it but I think being immune to three extra types is a better deal for the ray.
I am glad you brought up the Remoraid attached to Mantine. I believe it is time to change Mantine's ability. I imagine Mantine getting an ability similar to Parental Bond. Mantine will make a second attack at half power when he uses a water type move. This will allow Mantine to easily spread confusion with Water Pulse and burns with Scald. This ability can be called Companion Bond.
cant wait for the 8 hour landuros video 🙏🙏🙏
I was just thinking about your channel, what a coincidence
One of my favorite Pokémon form worn of my favorite animals. I was OBSESSED with manga rays as a kid, and I was OVER THE MOON when I saw this!
surprisingly interesting journey in this one
I remember that scene in the Pokemon manga with Gold using a Mantine as a glider propelled by half a dozen Remoraid.
Despite Skarmory not getting a +20 HP buff and pre-evo, it did better competitively than its counterpart.
Plus Mantine isn’t very strong so it doesn’t always do the walling very well. But did have Scald, Roost, Haze, good resistances, 20 more base HP and Defog.
At least the Ray had a few VGC placements. Can’t really say the same for Skarm.
Mantine absolutely needs the ability commander with remoraid and it clings to it's wing
Anyone else notice the shiny Mantine in the thumbnail (the third one).
It sure is surprising that it actually became viable after such a rough start, the kind that makes you wish Mantyke actually had exclusive egg moves Mantine didn't, especially useful ones. With the incenses no longer being needed for those used to only being attainable that way, it makes breeding easier. Maybe giving some benefits to them like XY's 3+ perfect IVs for Undiscovered egg groups including Baby Pokemon can help with making genuinely viable team members even when in such forms (in LC, even)
"Manteen"? - That can't be right...
What is right, is seein' Mantine survive and thrive in many different tiers, even if some stints were all too brief, it's pretty dang heartwarming to see Mantine grow and excel when given a little boost here and there.
Once chesnaught and kyruem are done, ever pokemon I personally want will be done!
Early upload. That’s unexpected
I like the use of the shiny model in the thumbnail tbh
That plus 20 hp really came in clutch.
Hiya. Been Requesting this one for literal years now. Before the patreon picks started. My love of Mantine has finally gotten mild spotlight. But One thing i should note. I have been using Mantine in OU for about as long as I have played in Simulators. And one thing to note, It does have another set. While Niche, and seemingly not at all what most consider "Great" of complete passive wall/trapper, with Whirlpool, Toxic, Sub, Aqua Ring and Lefties. many things generally end up getting surprised by this combo, And while not the most common set in the world. Has been a thing since gen 4. Would have loved to see it be brought up but alas. Niche on a Niche pokemon means a Niche of a Niche within an already Niche thing. It does have genuine viability.
Nice to see a Pokemon rise up in later gens.
Anyway, its time to complete the Kalos fossil duo. How good was Tyrantrum actually?
Mantine is my favourite pokemon ever. I always have a soft spot for very simple designs :)
I loved the story of Mantine in Gen 7. And omg I remember it being MVP with Greninja and the grass/fire offenses were abundant
The staggered releases of returning Pokemon into Gen 8's metagame always make for wild stories in these videos.
Mantine is such a cool Pokémon, I love it’s gen 2-5 sprites
Personal pet peeve: I hate that they removed the Remoraid from it's design. It was a nice touch and different. Nowadays comparable to Dragapult.
Also, I've just been itching to use Mantine out on a team. I don't know why, I just want to try it out. Was very bummed that it isn't in S/V (words no human should have to say...)
If you ever want to.complain.about dumb evolutions never forget that the remoraid in it's sprite is the sole reason we have to blame for runerigas' 49 damage under a specific rock. It was the start of these bs evolution methods
It took me a while to realise the sprite on the side for mantine for gen 8 was actually shiny
I noticed that, too. I wonder why FSG picked the shiny model instead of the default one.
I'd love to see this thing get volt absorb, it's frankly the only thing I can see getting it on par with Skarm.
Oh I missed these, now do some updates for the last gen please
Mantine being OU in generation 7 literally gave me whiplash
My brother could never remember the name for Mantine, so he called it "thingy-thing" whenever it appeared on the show
Mantine still one of my fav water types 😍 I’m replaying heartgold rn and have one on my team 💙
I built a team around Mantine in the last VGC format of Sword and Shield and it was actually amazing as a Dynamax and tailwind setter next to Kyogre, just wish I'd had the idea sooner so I could've competed with it.
I can’t believe it took until gen 7 for Mantine to get roost. Think how good they’d be if they had it in previous generations! It absolutely would’ve lived up to being Skarmory’s counterpart
First Pokémon after the release of Scarlet and Violet to say it's NOT in the Paldea region. But it was in the previous generation, like Remoraid.
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Finally you picked the best pokemon. Took too long.
Also do I see a shiny Mantine in the thumbnail?