His beta design with a helmet on could have led to him being water steel, which would have made this poor octopus way stronger in the type department. Hope he gets some love some day.
I preferred the beta designs. Despite me still not liking the evolutionary line due to the species difference, it makes much more sense. But they slimmed the designs to make the Pokémon more marketable for the anime.
"While Octillery still shoots water from its mouth, the drastic anatomical difference between it and Remoraid meant that for a long time, no one believed the former evolved from the latter." -Legends Arceus Octillery dex entry
Remoraid was designed to be like a revolver (this is very obvious in it's beta sprite) that evolved into a tank (again, obvious in Octillery's beta sprite). Their relation is more to do with them both being inspired by weapons rather than the animals they are based on. Still funny Game Freak acknowledged what we all though for years, though.
@@glitchedoom Gen 2 simplified the designs to make the Pokémon more marketable, so it made the evolution between them be more unbelievable. It’s why I don’t like Octillery in general due to the large difference between it and Remoraid.
Anyone else as a kid was really confused as to why remoraid evolved into octillery before they found out the whole "gun to cannon" type deal they had going on?
I was never satisfied with its evolution since a fish becomes an octopus as they’re completely different species. The beta designs made more sense (a revolver compared to a tank) but since Gen 2 wanted to simplify designs for marketability, it made it look random.
@@IgnitedQuils i personally don’t mind it too much since I just see them as the gun and artillery pokemon rather than the archer fish and octopus pokemon, the archer fish and octopus being more the way they had to represent these two concepts to not make them seem a bit out of place on a colorful game targeted for kids, also I love that their wacky coverage moves come from that too
Originally remoraid was a gun and octillery was a tank hence the Japanese name octank unfortunately they had to make it a bit less obvious but it makes total sense when you look at the beta Gen 2 sprites
I feel that, if octilery was made for modern games, the beta design would stay. Mons have become more obvious on their design origins... Although, the war...
@@marcoasturias8520 eh it’s same as always some mons are obvious some less so granted sometimes even if the inspiration was plain it’s fairly obscure inspirations that people still wouldn’t get ( especially with mons with multiple inspirations)
It's like how a lot of people thought Skarmory debuted in Gen 3, except people mistake Golurk for a Ghost type that debuted in Gen 5 (I understand the confusion, Golurk was super duper rare in Gen 4 and looks like a Ghost type)
Ah yes, Octillery. That thing 11-year old me wanted to use so bad because it was the only non-legendary with dual offenses over 100, only to eventually realize that it wasn't available in Crystal, thus prompting me to wonder how BAD were some of GF's design choices ACTUALLY?
As a kid it was fun figuring out that Octillery could learn attacks like Flamethrower & Bullet Seed because he’s based off of artillery. That’s actually a pretty clever way to tie in the inspiration with the Pokemon’s in-game Moveset 😅
And it’s one of the few Water Pokémon to know Fire type coverage, other than Ludicolo, Palkia, the Slowpoke line, Rapid Strike Urshifu and Gyarados. Not counting Volcanion.
A bazooka? I always thought that Octillery was supposed to be a tank. You know, with the tentacles being like the treads and the mouth being the cannon.
So this may be different now than it was back in the 90s but gamefreak has different teams to make different parts of a Pokemon, the designer doesn't really get to create it's lore or even it's stats unless they were given a briefing on what design the game planners need. Bisharp was such an example of this
@@fastrockproductions9788 which is ironically enough kind of a bad thing, since it’s almost never using it’s physical movepool due to having almost nothing noteworthy except maybe gunk shot making all the points gone to attack kind of wasted, after all if it’s hp and attack were swapped it would have faired significantly better
Octillery was one of the more underrated badass Pokémon. I always loved that blank expression it had on its face as well as it lifting his tentacles as if he is about to really put some Pokémon DOWN.
Octillery just looks like an octopus, which is cool, but I personally prefer the beta design where Octillery looks more like a tank. Remoraid too, it just looks like a fish and should look more like a gun. It feels like the theming for this evolutionary line was thrown out the window in the final designs of these Pokémon, excluding their naming
Yeah, them slimming the designs to market the Gen 2 Pokémon made me dislike Octillery due to how it looks drastically different. I still don’t like the evolutionary line but if they stuck to the beta designs, it would have made it look cooler.
to be fair, the beta designs made the aspects of a gun turning into a cannon very pronounced, compared to now where it's still there, it's just subtle and you have look into their appearance more to find it
I feel like theres alot you COULD do with Octillery, like the Octozooka buff, but also give it skill link since it gets Rock Blast and Bullet Seed? Theres so much that could be done with this thing but it's just yet another forgotten pokemon.
I have idea Abillity changes sniper -> mega launcher, Moody -> Regenerator (partially to preserve the feelings of Zacian Crowned) Move buffs Octozooka BP 65 -> 100 Octozooka gets boosted by mega launcher Moveset additions Gains Aura Sphere and Dark Pulse via TM and gains flash cannon at level 43 Type change Water -> water/Steel Stat changes HP, Defense, Sp Def 75 -> 115 Atk: 105 -> 45
Competitive Pokémon channels are starting to give me the desire to click off of them, and the reason is this sentiment that they are all breeding. Octilery is not forgotten. Pokémon is not a competitive game primarily. In fact, competitive is quite a minority in the grand scheme of things. It is intentional design that some Pokémon are better and some are worse. Imagine a Pokémon game where all the mons have equal power, coverage, potential, usage, advantages and disadvantages. Would that not be boring? There would be no charm to it anymore. No reason to pick mons for different attributes or reasons as they would all be the same.
Ah yeah, i got so many great memories of slamming people with my water-type golurk in gen 4 nu. Had that thing on so many teams. He ate ducks for breakfast
My favorite mon. A water type with a naturally broad movepool (learns 3 beams at lv22, which is actually stellar in the original GSC), and it could use Flamethrower too. It was awesome. Octy is great.
Addendum: Octillery has a small niche in DPP ZU as a Water-type wall breaker, but it’s largely outclassed by plenty of other strong Water types like Kingler, Walrein, and the recently banned Lapras. Octillery has a more solid niche in BW ZU, where special and physical sets can wreak havoc on bulky and slow teams relying on Eviolite cores. The change to BW and introducing a new tier saved Octillery from being truly Untiered. Octillery has a small niche in ORAS ZU as a Trick Room attacker. It’s fallen out of the metagame because of the presence of much stronger and faster Water types like Simipour, Politoed, Frogadier, and Shell Smash Huntail. Water Spout finally sees good use on TR teams. Octillery has no niche in SM ZU. Trick Room has better choices of breakers like Marowak. Silvally-Water and better other water types, and the general power creep keep Octillery out of the metagame. Octillery has no niche in current SS ZU. Although there are fewer total Pokémon than the previous generation, the smaller size of tiers has increased the level of power creep. It’s a poor choice of Water type compared to Qwilfish, Poliwrath, and Cramorant, which are more consistent choices for the bulky Balance metagame. Octillery had an okay niche in pre-DLC2 ZU, where it was a slow wall breaker and Trick Room attacker. However, it was threatened by popular Pokémon like Pikachu and Grookey, which interfered with both its wall breaking and Trick Room sets. Octillery completely fell out of the metagame when the Crown Tundra transformed the tier. For a small happy ending: Octillery does arguably have a niche in SS Subzero Used! It can reprise its Trick Room breaker set, and its resistances or neutrality to common priority like Kabutops and Carracosta’s Aqua Jets or Abomasnow’s Ice Shard make it a great partner to Marowak. Musharna, Gourgeists, and Carbink make great partners on this style of offense.
Octillery is an interesting yet unfortunate case. While it has potent mixed offenses and a huge movepool with plenty of coverage for both of its attacking stats, it's just so slow and frail, man. Ok, octopuses are pretty squishy so I get the frailness, but why is it slow? Octopuses can move very fast by using jet propulsion! They should totally buff Octillery with more Speed, then it would be a Water-typed version of Infernape almost.
Its bulk is average, but I do agree since it’s not the tank it’s supposed to be. 20 points in speed and 10 points in defense could be fine. Not make it too fast but make it decently bulky, and not making it have a high BST for balance.
I feel it's due to him being part Cannon, cannons are bulk and cumbersome, so they likely wanted to balance out the fragility and speed of Octopus with the sturdiness and slowness of a cannon, resulting in a weird compromise that actually hurts more than it helps.
Mixed attackers need overwhelming stats just to be viable, and even when happens going for only one side tends to be better. Honestly, the whole system needs to change for mixed attackers to work.
I remembered giving my Octillery a nickname, "Oerlikon", which was the 20-mm anti aircraft guns used by the majority of the U.S. Navy warships in World War 2.
Octillery could be saved by giving it mega launcher and making octozooka effected by it. Would that make it great? No. However along with mega launcher coverage (aura sphere + dark pulse) it could be a lower tier powerhouse (Edit) After reading some other comments I agree, they should tack on the secondary steel type and flash cannon to these changes.
I can imagine an evolution for Octillery going one way in my mind: By trading Octillery while it holds a metal coat, it evolves into a Water/Steel type Pokémon that more or less becomes a fusion of a nautilus (the animal, which is what Omanyte is based off of) and possibly a tank. Although it would lose at least ten points in speed, it makes up for it by gaining a whopping twenty points in both defenses. Ability wise, these are the abilities I think would benefit it the most: *Analytic* - It boosts the power of a Pokémon's moves by 30%, but only when it moves last. With a proposed speed of 35, this would be another great trade that would give this new evolution even more stopping power in battles. Also, octopuses are one of the smartest of their species, which would make this ability a great reference to that fact. *Battle Armor* - This ability protects a Pokémon from critical hits. Outside of it being a fitting name for a Pokémon that's meant to be part tank, this would also lessen the danger of moves that it would be weak against because of its typing. *Bulletproof* - Definition: "protects the Pokémon from some ball and bomb moves." Similar to Battle Armor, it'd make for a good tongue-in-cheek reference to its part-tank nature. Outside of that, it'd be a rather good ability that would offer protection from moves like Electro Ball and Seed Bomb - or better yet, high-damage moves like Focus Blast and Zap Cannon. *Full Metal Body* - In short, this ability prevents moves & abilities that reduce a Pokémon's stats. It would work, logically, because of the evolution's part-Steel typing, and it would remind me of the film _Full Metal Jacket._ Also, having an ability that basically stops intimidate in its tracks sounds very useful in a battle.
They changed the design before the game released. Remoraid originally looked more like a revolver and Octillery looked more like a tank, which were their original inspirations.
Octillery is one of my favorite pokémon so I've thought about this a fair bit. Since it uses it's special attack almost exclusively I'd redistribute it's 105 attack stat, take 75 off of it and give HP / Sp.Def / Def 25 each to top them off to 100, then give it Regenerator like you said. Since Octillery's original beta design looked more tank like with armor and an helmet they might make it a regional form of Water/Steel with that stat spread, though maybe that would make Octillery too overpowered? Would make for a great pivot with Flip Turn though. Other things that could be done would be to change Octazooka to a 100% accuracy but lower the chance to drop Accuracy to 20/10% akin to Water Pulse, include it into the Mega Launcher ability and give Octillery Mega Launcher instead of Sniper. Though Octillery's bad points aren't offensive in nature so that wouldn't really help it all that much. One of my big hopes for the future is that Gamefreak looks on some of the older generational pokémon and improve them (either via abilities, redistributing stat spreads, type rebalancing or increasing move pools) so they can keep up with all the powercreep going on. If that happens I hope Octillery gets it's time to shine in atleast the lower tiers once more.
Due to Pokémon not being competitive primarily, it is actually intentional design that some Pokémon are better than others naturally and that shouldn't change. Imagine a game where all mons are equal in power and potential, with equal coverage and abilities. Would that not be boring as all get-out? You can currently look up folks solo beating all Pokémon games with mons as notably strong as Magikarp, some without even held/in-game items at all. What this means is that unless you are a competitive player, this honestly shouldn't matter to you. I do agree that Octozooka needs a buff, and it would be cool if Octilery could evolve into a steel/water type.
How I'd fix it: Give it an evolution, this time make it look more like a tank and give it Water/Steel; this would also grant octillery eviolite Stats -- -HP: 100 -Atk: 90 -Def: 80 -Sp. Atk: 145 -Sp. Def: 85 -Speed: 25 ---Total: 525 Abilities: -Regenerator -Sniper -Mega Launcher (HA) Octozooka: 65 -> 100 BP -85% -> 95% -100% chance to lower accuracy (might be annoying)
Octillery needs an evolution that looks like it's beta form but bigger! like a Krakken tank: Krakkarmada! HP 100 ATK 110 DEF 90 SP. ATK 110 SP. DEF 90 SPD 25 make it a literal fortress with Suction Cups and let it finally learn Coil!
Octillery has a BST of 480 which isn’t bad. It loses 20 points of speed when evolving from Remoraid, and I feel like if it needs stat buffs, maybe Speed and HP. It’s slow since it’s an octopus so maybe 20 more points in speed to make it more realistic, and 10 points to each of its defenses to make it more tanky, making it have a BST of 530. Not making it too strong but have good stats. It has the coverage and typing, but falls short due to stats.
i think maybe a +10 in both defenses and HP would be a good enough fix in my opinion as the extra bulk there would help it out, plus it would make Assault Vest a very interesting choice to run since octillery pretty much only runs attacking moves
@@bulborb8756 Yeah it could have a stat spread of 85/105/85/105/85/65, making it not very slow but be decently bulky, and since most fully evolved Pokemon’s BSTs range from 430-540. It’d make it more viable with the AV set that you mentioned.
I would actually just double speed to 90, gives it a BST of 525 alongside others like the Eeveelutions, Cloyster, a couple of starters, and a few others.
well your supposed to disregard the animal aspects and focus more on the other traits, yes it's odd that a fish turns into an octopus....but how else could they convey this aspect of a gun turning into a cannon?
The original design of the two made it more obvious and better connected. The simplification of the designs in that generation removed most of the gun -> tank aesthetic which is why it's so odd compared to everything else.
I think it would be hilarious if Octillery got Protean as an ability with it's large movepool. Makes sense since some octopus are known to camouflage with their surroundings.
@@ForeverLaxx that is true, like the only reason blastoise was given dark pulse, dragon pulse and aura sphere was for it's mega (which no longer exists), so the same would happen to octillery if it was given mega launcher. but skill link is good too due to octillery's access to bullet seed and rock blast
@@bulborb8756 Either way it would need a movepool update, and if it got Skill Link then Octazooka could be changed into a multi-hit move or something to leverage it. The problem with Octillery isn't its offense though, it's that it isn't bulky enough for how slow it is. If it were bulky offense and had access to something like Recover or Aqua Jet, it would be much better.
Do you think the Effort Levels in Legends: Arceus should be the new stat system for all games going forward? Doing so would make Pokemon like Octillery usable since its defences are more agreeable.
Not really tbh, I feel like the need to distribute EVs makes for more interesting teambuilding. Octillery would be better with just a boost to its base stats and/or a new ability.
maybe if it got some buff's to it's bulk, maybe swap one of it's abilities for regenerator and give it access to recover, then maybe octillery could have a shot
One way to buff Octazooka is to not only give it a power increase, to something like 80, but to make it a 100% likely to lower accuracy. Or even to make it harshly lower accuracy. That would make this thing a menace as each hit basically denies the opponent a free switch. But then again, like Moody, maybe that makes it too strong. Also while I'm at it, remake attempt number 6: *How Tyrannical was Tyranitar Actually?*
Personally, I would prefer Octillery have Skill Link. Skill Link would let Octillery do major damage with Bullet Seed and Rock Blast. Additionally, Octillery should get Icicle Spear for more coverage. This would make Octillery an excellent Substitute breaker and fits in with its motif of being an artillery octopus. Alternatively, Octillery can be given Kingsrock and pull off a parafusion with Thunder Wave.
Another case of being bad because your real power is banned, good enough ending to me For a pokemon that was initially based on a tank, his defenses are subpar
Great video! This evolution line has always seemed unique. I’m suprised a “How good is Coffigrigus actually?” video hasn’t been made yet since it seems to be a competitive staple.
Day 145. I'm once again asking for your quagsire support Edit: guys beware a fake fsg account in the replies, I tried to expose him but I guess he keeps reporting my replies
People always joke about how this evolution line makes no sense, but it at least keeps the theme of "it shoots at things". But no one EVER talks about why Clampearl evolves into Huntail.
My theory is that Huntail and Gorebyss are secretly standalone Pokémon, and when Clampearl "evolves", it just gets eaten. Your idea also makes sense, I just like mine better.
They should give octillery no guard. Consistent hydro pumps, guaranteed zap cannons, focus hits instead of focus miss, and other great moves. It would also really benefit from mega launcher. Neither of these abilities would make it that great but make sense and could be a massive buff. If it got a bit more hp, 85 or more, like other gen 7 mons, assault vest + no guard could actually be pretty decent
Octazooka should’ve been buffed, maybe give it a confusion chance to reference real ink escapes. Lowering accuracy would make sense too but then the move would be banned lol
Real title: How BROKEN was Moody actually? Part 3. Also props to the patreons for picking a cephalopod right before Splatoon 3 releases. It they were going for that, well done.
Moody can be nerfed and playable by changing it's effect to: At the end of turn - Plus 2 to random stat - Minus 2 to random other stat - Can't plus and minus same stat at the same turn - evasion and accuracy not included Perfectly balanced as all things should be
6:14 yes we meant to say Golduck
ok nice
7:36 did you mean to say ability instead of pokemon too?
Ok cuz I got confused for a second and looked at the gen and was like golurk isn't even in this gen lmfao
@@jacksonsmith2955 lol
Please do a video on Mienshao
6:14 I agree, Golurk is a very well known water type Pokémon in the 4th gen.
Killua Golduck
(I forgot where that was from)
Edit: I remember now, it's from Hunter Hunter (an entire family of them lol)
Guess he meant Golduck
@@faiapapaia3869 I believe he did. I noticed the mistake too.
These sorts of mistakes are becoming more and more common. Last week they mixed up Magnet Pull and Magnet Rise.
@@appliedatoms7066 I feel like they might need a break
Interesting pick.
Hopefully Lanturn and Chestnaut will get a shot soon!
Laturn is going to be a while because it was used a lot in VGC.
chesnaught
bro said chesnaught 💀💀💀😂😂😂
@@mandalorianhunter1 i know it's why I want it and chesnaught. Cuz I heard they both got used in various tiers and vgc.
Chesnaught will be interesting due to the secondary Fighting typing and defensive niche.
How have we still not gotten an episode on Lanturn yet
Should be next since it's also a gen 2 water type.
Octillery is one of those pokemon i forget debuted in gen 2
This tank is still on my team!
Gen 8 gave me back the hope of seeing shitmons getting some love.
When you realize lorewise Lanturn can nuke the universe several times over by accedent, can you imagine the devistation Octilary would not intend?
OCTILLERY, NOT OCTILARY! THE FIRST E IN ACCIDENT IS SUPPOSED TO BE AN I!
@@Amelia4111 sory
His beta design with a helmet on could have led to him being water steel, which would have made this poor octopus way stronger in the type department. Hope he gets some love some day.
And if he got mega laucher he could get stab bosted flash cannon & water pulse
I preferred the beta designs. Despite me still not liking the evolutionary line due to the species difference, it makes much more sense.
But they slimmed the designs to make the Pokémon more marketable for the anime.
That design nowadays could’ve been a Mega Evolution or it can be a Regional form.
Doesn't need any help. It has Moody ability and access to Protect and Substitute. It's automatically viable playing the moody lottery.
@@nolanstone4723 everything has access to protect and substitute
"While Octillery still shoots water from its mouth, the drastic anatomical difference between it and Remoraid meant that for a long time, no one believed the former evolved from the latter."
-Legends Arceus Octillery dex entry
To be fair, i wouldn't have either
Remoraid was designed to be like a revolver (this is very obvious in it's beta sprite) that evolved into a tank (again, obvious in Octillery's beta sprite). Their relation is more to do with them both being inspired by weapons rather than the animals they are based on.
Still funny Game Freak acknowledged what we all though for years, though.
that’s just a fancy way of saying “no one knows what the hell remoraid evolves into”
Like I said, let's acknowledge the Clampearl family for a second...
@@glitchedoom Gen 2 simplified the designs to make the Pokémon more marketable, so it made the evolution between them be more unbelievable.
It’s why I don’t like Octillery in general due to the large difference between it and Remoraid.
Time for a new episode of "How BROKEN was Moody ACTUALLY?"
glalie would approve
For real. I wish that ability would get some spotlight inside a format like a "For Fun" tournament or something like that
Stole my comment xD
*Smeargle, Octillery, Bibarel and Glalie enter the chat*
This is my last fsg vid before I start school again
Anyone else as a kid was really confused as to why remoraid evolved into octillery before they found out the whole "gun to cannon" type deal they had going on?
I was never satisfied with its evolution since a fish becomes an octopus as they’re completely different species.
The beta designs made more sense (a revolver compared to a tank) but since Gen 2 wanted to simplify designs for marketability, it made it look random.
@@IgnitedQuils i personally don’t mind it too much since I just see them as the gun and artillery pokemon rather than the archer fish and octopus pokemon, the archer fish and octopus being more the way they had to represent these two concepts to not make them seem a bit out of place on a colorful game targeted for kids, also I love that their wacky coverage moves come from that too
I thought it evolved into whiscash for no reason
I kinda figured it out
you gave me that just now omfg
Originally remoraid was a gun and octillery was a tank hence the Japanese name octank unfortunately they had to make it a bit less obvious but it makes total sense when you look at the beta Gen 2 sprites
And they slimmed the designs to market the Gen 2 Pokémon for the anime.
I feel that, if octilery was made for modern games, the beta design would stay. Mons have become more obvious on their design origins... Although, the war...
@@marcoasturias8520 eh it’s same as always some mons are obvious some less so granted sometimes even if the inspiration was plain it’s fairly obscure inspirations that people still wouldn’t get ( especially with mons with multiple inspirations)
Remoraid is still a gun
@@MicoDossun it was a full on gun in the beta tho
6:19 Ah yes, Golurk was a water type that outclassed Octillery in Gen 4. How could I forget?
"Sorry Octillery but we already have a water type in the team."
Camera pivot to Golurk.
It's like how a lot of people thought Skarmory debuted in Gen 3, except people mistake Golurk for a Ghost type that debuted in Gen 5 (I understand the confusion, Golurk was super duper rare in Gen 4 and looks like a Ghost type)
This guy needs Mega Launcher. It fits it so well.
And a Mega Evolution where it can add the Steel type. That would be dope as hell!
Or Quick Draw
And Mega Launcher should boost Hydro Pump.
@@briangruenewald7536 it’s once signature move octazooka should have 100% accuracy drop and have a higher chance to crit. That would make it viable
He gets energy ball, that is also boosted by mega launcher. His energy ball would pretty much allow it to kill and dominate other water types
Ah yes, Octillery. That thing 11-year old me wanted to use so bad because it was the only non-legendary with dual offenses over 100, only to eventually realize that it wasn't available in Crystal, thus prompting me to wonder how BAD were some of GF's design choices ACTUALLY?
Why did you want dual offences over 100?
@@AshenDust_ Physical special split didnt exist so maybe he wanted coverage?
Wait, i thought it was Rt 44 with the Super Rod? Maybe I'm wrong.
@@Skylark0000 it only used special type moves though
@@AshenDust_ You’re thinking in terms of competitive. My mans clearly wasn’t grinding that at age 11.
As a kid it was fun figuring out that Octillery could learn attacks like Flamethrower & Bullet Seed because he’s based off of artillery. That’s actually a pretty clever way to tie in the inspiration with the Pokemon’s in-game Moveset 😅
And it’s one of the few Water Pokémon to know Fire type coverage, other than Ludicolo, Palkia, the Slowpoke line, Rapid Strike Urshifu and Gyarados. Not counting Volcanion.
yeah the amount of moves this cephalopod can learn is pretty crazy
My favorite pokemon move: Bullet
@@IgnitedQuils I kinda like that these Water Types know those Fire type moves.
@@IgnitedQuils ludicolo knows fire coverage ?
A bazooka? I always thought that Octillery was supposed to be a tank. You know, with the tentacles being like the treads and the mouth being the cannon.
You make a valid point :)
The ‘tillery part of Octillery is from Artillery
@@Ob1tuber And in Japanese it's name is literally "Okutank"
Weirdest "was supposed to be a tank" pokemon was Hydreigon apparently
interesting how it’s known mostly for its special attacks and yet it’s pokedex entry states it can ‘smash foes with its rock-hard head’
So this may be different now than it was back in the 90s but gamefreak has different teams to make different parts of a Pokemon, the designer doesn't really get to create it's lore or even it's stats unless they were given a briefing on what design the game planners need. Bisharp was such an example of this
But to be fair it has good physical attack
@@fastrockproductions9788 And a decent physical movepool with Bullet Seed, Rock Blast, Gunk Shot, and Liquidation.
@@IgnitedQuils yeah
@@fastrockproductions9788 which is ironically enough kind of a bad thing, since it’s almost never using it’s physical movepool due to having almost nothing noteworthy except maybe gunk shot making all the points gone to attack kind of wasted, after all if it’s hp and attack were swapped it would have faired significantly better
Octillery was one of the more underrated badass Pokémon. I always loved that blank expression it had on its face as well as it lifting his tentacles as if he is about to really put some Pokémon DOWN.
One of my favorites. He definitely needs a new water/steel evolution.
I loved this mon in Mystery Dungeon, that female Octillery who wanted to save Alakazam's team from Groudon
I remembered when she, Golem and Blastoise collapsed in the town when they came back.
And for some reason it gives the most exp of all random encounters, outside the mons from Western Cave
Also octillery was kinda overpowered in pmd with all the possible long range moves it can learn. A terrifying opponent in PMD in bottomless sea
Octillery just looks like an octopus, which is cool, but I personally prefer the beta design where Octillery looks more like a tank. Remoraid too, it just looks like a fish and should look more like a gun. It feels like the theming for this evolutionary line was thrown out the window in the final designs of these Pokémon, excluding their naming
Yeah, them slimming the designs to market the Gen 2 Pokémon made me dislike Octillery due to how it looks drastically different. I still don’t like the evolutionary line but if they stuck to the beta designs, it would have made it look cooler.
to be fair, the beta designs made the aspects of a gun turning into a cannon very pronounced, compared to now where it's still there, it's just subtle and you have look into their appearance more to find it
I was giving the Patreons support telepathically so they'd finally choose this. Does this mean we could get Magcargo next?
I read “I was giving the Patronus…”
Nope. Wrong franchise, buddy 😂
Yes!!! Show some love for ma boy magcargo
@@briangruenewald7536 did you also hear "Patronus" at the very start of the video?
Yes, keep the red gen II molluscs rollin'!
I feel like theres alot you COULD do with Octillery, like the Octozooka buff, but also give it skill link since it gets Rock Blast and Bullet Seed? Theres so much that could be done with this thing but it's just yet another forgotten pokemon.
They could have made Octazooka a multi hit move to have Skill Link as well.
I have idea
Abillity changes sniper -> mega launcher, Moody -> Regenerator (partially to preserve the feelings of Zacian Crowned)
Move buffs
Octozooka BP 65 -> 100
Octozooka gets boosted by mega launcher
Moveset additions
Gains Aura Sphere and Dark Pulse via TM and gains flash cannon at level 43
Type change Water -> water/Steel
Stat changes
HP, Defense, Sp Def 75 -> 115
Atk: 105 -> 45
Maybe an ability that boosts projectile based moves. Kinda the opposite of bullet proof
@@marcoasturias8520 yeah that’s also a great idea
Competitive Pokémon channels are starting to give me the desire to click off of them, and the reason is this sentiment that they are all breeding. Octilery is not forgotten. Pokémon is not a competitive game primarily. In fact, competitive is quite a minority in the grand scheme of things. It is intentional design that some Pokémon are better and some are worse. Imagine a Pokémon game where all the mons have equal power, coverage, potential, usage, advantages and disadvantages. Would that not be boring? There would be no charm to it anymore. No reason to pick mons for different attributes or reasons as they would all be the same.
People know Octilery for two stuff: one for being a fish that evolves into an octopus, and being a Baton Pass recipient
Ah yeah, i got so many great memories of slamming people with my water-type golurk in gen 4 nu. Had that thing on so many teams. He ate ducks for breakfast
My favorite mon. A water type with a naturally broad movepool (learns 3 beams at lv22, which is actually stellar in the original GSC), and it could use Flamethrower too. It was awesome. Octy is great.
Id love to see an episode called "How good was tanking actually" the evolution of running defensive mons in pokemon
Addendum: Octillery has a small niche in DPP ZU as a Water-type wall breaker, but it’s largely outclassed by plenty of other strong Water types like Kingler, Walrein, and the recently banned Lapras.
Octillery has a more solid niche in BW ZU, where special and physical sets can wreak havoc on bulky and slow teams relying on Eviolite cores. The change to BW and introducing a new tier saved Octillery from being truly Untiered.
Octillery has a small niche in ORAS ZU as a Trick Room attacker. It’s fallen out of the metagame because of the presence of much stronger and faster Water types like Simipour, Politoed, Frogadier, and Shell Smash Huntail. Water Spout finally sees good use on TR teams.
Octillery has no niche in SM ZU. Trick Room has better choices of breakers like Marowak. Silvally-Water and better other water types, and the general power creep keep Octillery out of the metagame.
Octillery has no niche in current SS ZU. Although there are fewer total Pokémon than the previous generation, the smaller size of tiers has increased the level of power creep. It’s a poor choice of Water type compared to Qwilfish, Poliwrath, and Cramorant, which are more consistent choices for the bulky Balance metagame.
Octillery had an okay niche in pre-DLC2 ZU, where it was a slow wall breaker and Trick Room attacker. However, it was threatened by popular Pokémon like Pikachu and Grookey, which interfered with both its wall breaking and Trick Room sets. Octillery completely fell out of the metagame when the Crown Tundra transformed the tier.
For a small happy ending: Octillery does arguably have a niche in SS Subzero Used! It can reprise its Trick Room breaker set, and its resistances or neutrality to common priority like Kabutops and Carracosta’s Aqua Jets or Abomasnow’s Ice Shard make it a great partner to Marowak. Musharna, Gourgeists, and Carbink make great partners on this style of offense.
Subzeroused?
Wtf is subzero used 💀
Subzero Used?
I assume this is a hypothetical tier, and not on the Showdown menu - unlike ZU is - right?
Quick Draw would be pretty handy for it. Inconsistent, but priority Water Spout is nothing to sleep on
how i wish Octillery had like 150 sp att and decent bulk, so he'd be a truly great trick room attacker.
Octillery is an interesting yet unfortunate case. While it has potent mixed offenses and a huge movepool with plenty of coverage for both of its attacking stats, it's just so slow and frail, man. Ok, octopuses are pretty squishy so I get the frailness, but why is it slow? Octopuses can move very fast by using jet propulsion! They should totally buff Octillery with more Speed, then it would be a Water-typed version of Infernape almost.
Its bulk is average, but I do agree since it’s not the tank it’s supposed to be.
20 points in speed and 10 points in defense could be fine. Not make it too fast but make it decently bulky, and not making it have a high BST for balance.
They really have something against octopuses because grapploct is somehow worse.
@@grizzlyscalp9506 Weirdly enough, it has the same BST as Octillery. But it’s slower and doesn’t have strong, reliable coverage.
I feel it's due to him being part Cannon, cannons are bulk and cumbersome, so they likely wanted to balance out the fragility and speed of Octopus with the sturdiness and slowness of a cannon, resulting in a weird compromise that actually hurts more than it helps.
Mixed attackers need overwhelming stats just to be viable, and even when happens going for only one side tends to be better. Honestly, the whole system needs to change for mixed attackers to work.
I remembered giving my Octillery a nickname, "Oerlikon", which was the 20-mm anti aircraft guns used by the majority of the U.S. Navy warships in World War 2.
Octillery could be saved by giving it mega launcher and making octozooka effected by it. Would that make it great? No. However along with mega launcher coverage (aura sphere + dark pulse) it could be a lower tier powerhouse
(Edit) After reading some other comments I agree, they should tack on the secondary steel type and flash cannon to these changes.
I can imagine an evolution for Octillery going one way in my mind:
By trading Octillery while it holds a metal coat, it evolves into a Water/Steel type Pokémon that more or less becomes a fusion of a nautilus (the animal, which is what Omanyte is based off of) and possibly a tank. Although it would lose at least ten points in speed, it makes up for it by gaining a whopping twenty points in both defenses.
Ability wise, these are the abilities I think would benefit it the most:
*Analytic* - It boosts the power of a Pokémon's moves by 30%, but only when it moves last. With a proposed speed of 35, this would be another great trade that would give this new evolution even more stopping power in battles. Also, octopuses are one of the smartest of their species, which would make this ability a great reference to that fact.
*Battle Armor* - This ability protects a Pokémon from critical hits. Outside of it being a fitting name for a Pokémon that's meant to be part tank, this would also lessen the danger of moves that it would be weak against because of its typing.
*Bulletproof* - Definition: "protects the Pokémon from some ball and bomb moves." Similar to Battle Armor, it'd make for a good tongue-in-cheek reference to its part-tank nature. Outside of that, it'd be a rather good ability that would offer protection from moves like Electro Ball and Seed Bomb - or better yet, high-damage moves like Focus Blast and Zap Cannon.
*Full Metal Body* - In short, this ability prevents moves & abilities that reduce a Pokémon's stats. It would work, logically, because of the evolution's part-Steel typing, and it would remind me of the film _Full Metal Jacket._ Also, having an ability that basically stops intimidate in its tracks sounds very useful in a battle.
I would love to watch Raichu remake.
Interesting pick for today's Pokémon btw.
I love Octillery so much I'm so glad you covered it!!
Same it's my second favorite pokemon
Ramoraid to Octillery... imagine a fish evolving into an octopus. This is one of Pokemon's most strangest evolutions but very unique!
They changed the design before the game released. Remoraid originally looked more like a revolver and Octillery looked more like a tank, which were their original inspirations.
The beta sprite was so much better, I hate that they changed it for marketability.
What a brilliant TH-cam. Definitely one of my favourite. Cant wait for How Great Was Landorus Actually. Would be a banging video.
I'm getting worried... Guys
I hope he is still alive...cuz usually he would post a community post saying he won't publish a video. But today....
Octillery is one of my favorite pokémon so I've thought about this a fair bit. Since it uses it's special attack almost exclusively I'd redistribute it's 105 attack stat, take 75 off of it and give HP / Sp.Def / Def 25 each to top them off to 100, then give it Regenerator like you said.
Since Octillery's original beta design looked more tank like with armor and an helmet they might make it a regional form of Water/Steel with that stat spread, though maybe that would make Octillery too overpowered? Would make for a great pivot with Flip Turn though.
Other things that could be done would be to change Octazooka to a 100% accuracy but lower the chance to drop Accuracy to 20/10% akin to Water Pulse, include it into the Mega Launcher ability and give Octillery Mega Launcher instead of Sniper. Though Octillery's bad points aren't offensive in nature so that wouldn't really help it all that much.
One of my big hopes for the future is that Gamefreak looks on some of the older generational pokémon and improve them (either via abilities, redistributing stat spreads, type rebalancing or increasing move pools) so they can keep up with all the powercreep going on. If that happens I hope Octillery gets it's time to shine in atleast the lower tiers once more.
Due to Pokémon not being competitive primarily, it is actually intentional design that some Pokémon are better than others naturally and that shouldn't change. Imagine a game where all mons are equal in power and potential, with equal coverage and abilities. Would that not be boring as all get-out? You can currently look up folks solo beating all Pokémon games with mons as notably strong as Magikarp, some without even held/in-game items at all. What this means is that unless you are a competitive player, this honestly shouldn't matter to you.
I do agree that Octozooka needs a buff, and it would be cool if Octilery could evolve into a steel/water type.
Where is the new video for today 😭😭
Octillary should have got a mega
How I'd fix it:
Give it an evolution, this time make it look more like a tank and give it Water/Steel; this would also grant octillery eviolite
Stats --
-HP: 100
-Atk: 90
-Def: 80
-Sp. Atk: 145
-Sp. Def: 85
-Speed: 25
---Total: 525
Abilities:
-Regenerator
-Sniper
-Mega Launcher (HA)
Octozooka:
65 -> 100 BP
-85% -> 95%
-100% chance to lower accuracy (might be annoying)
You Forgot how Remoraid evolves into Octillery
Octillery needs an evolution that looks like it's beta form but bigger! like a Krakken tank:
Krakkarmada!
HP 100
ATK 110
DEF 90
SP. ATK 110
SP. DEF 90
SPD 25
make it a literal fortress with Suction Cups and let it finally learn Coil!
Love the name idea!
Octillery has a BST of 480 which isn’t bad. It loses 20 points of speed when evolving from Remoraid, and I feel like if it needs stat buffs, maybe Speed and HP.
It’s slow since it’s an octopus so maybe 20 more points in speed to make it more realistic, and 10 points to each of its defenses to make it more tanky, making it have a BST of 530. Not making it too strong but have good stats.
It has the coverage and typing, but falls short due to stats.
No, it loses 20 points of speed
i think maybe a +10 in both defenses and HP would be a good enough fix in my opinion as the extra bulk there would help it out, plus it would make Assault Vest a very interesting choice to run since octillery pretty much only runs attacking moves
@@bulborb8756 Yeah it could have a stat spread of 85/105/85/105/85/65, making it not very slow but be decently bulky, and since most fully evolved Pokemon’s BSTs range from 430-540.
It’d make it more viable with the AV set that you mentioned.
I would actually just double speed to 90, gives it a BST of 525 alongside others like the Eeveelutions, Cloyster, a couple of starters, and a few others.
@@azurai3934 if you double the speed suddenly you make it an insane Water Spout choice scarfer.
I’m scared guys I usually start my day Sunday with false swipes videos
It’s been almost 2 days I’m getting worried 😟
Although both Remoraid and Octillery are based on shooting weapons, to this day, I still find it weird that a fish evolves into an octopus.
well your supposed to disregard the animal aspects and focus more on the other traits, yes it's odd that a fish turns into an octopus....but how else could they convey this aspect of a gun turning into a cannon?
The original design of the two made it more obvious and better connected. The simplification of the designs in that generation removed most of the gun -> tank aesthetic which is why it's so odd compared to everything else.
I think it would be hilarious if Octillery got Protean as an ability with it's large movepool. Makes sense since some octopus are known to camouflage with their surroundings.
shouldve got re-generator as its ability. makes more sense
I actually agree
Octillery is my favourite pokemon, it's really sweet to see him get some coverage! Thanks FSG!
Love his beta design more, a water tank is much cooler.
Sad they didn't use it.
I would love to see a remake of the Gengar video!
Keep them Johto Patron Picks coming, m8!
WE OUT HERE IN THESE STREETS
“uPloAdEd wEeKlY.”
Me still waiting for video today by 6 PM: *LIES!!!*
Must be having another tough week
“Oh man I love octillery, I wonder how long this video is”
☹️
Octillery has the movepool, but it needs more speed. And maybe Mega Launcher.
idk about mega launcher since the only move that affects in octillery's case is water pulse
i love the idea of mega launcher octillery
Skill Link fits its current movepool better but that doesn't mean it can't get a movepool update to accommodate one or the other more.
@@ForeverLaxx that is true, like the only reason blastoise was given dark pulse, dragon pulse and aura sphere was for it's mega (which no longer exists), so the same would happen to octillery if it was given mega launcher.
but skill link is good too due to octillery's access to bullet seed and rock blast
@@bulborb8756 Either way it would need a movepool update, and if it got Skill Link then Octazooka could be changed into a multi-hit move or something to leverage it. The problem with Octillery isn't its offense though, it's that it isn't bulky enough for how slow it is. If it were bulky offense and had access to something like Recover or Aqua Jet, it would be much better.
6:17, golduck is outclassed by golurk in his name lol
Do you think the Effort Levels in Legends: Arceus should be the new stat system for all games going forward? Doing so would make Pokemon like Octillery usable since its defences are more agreeable.
Not really tbh, I feel like the need to distribute EVs makes for more interesting teambuilding. Octillery would be better with just a boost to its base stats and/or a new ability.
How good was lanturn
Octillery may need some stat reworks since it has a good move pool of special attacks, but it cannot take advantage of that.
maybe if it got some buff's to it's bulk, maybe swap one of it's abilities for regenerator and give it access to recover, then maybe octillery could have a shot
10 points in defenses and 20 in speed would make it decent. Not make it exceed the BST range Game Freak sets off with regular Pokemon (430-540).
One way to buff Octazooka is to not only give it a power increase, to something like 80, but to make it a 100% likely to lower accuracy. Or even to make it harshly lower accuracy. That would make this thing a menace as each hit basically denies the opponent a free switch. But then again, like Moody, maybe that makes it too strong.
Also while I'm at it, remake attempt number 6: *How Tyrannical was Tyranitar Actually?*
This thing is awesome in Pokémon Showdown random battles, i have sweep entire teams with it.
Personally, I would prefer Octillery have Skill Link. Skill Link would let Octillery do major damage with Bullet Seed and Rock Blast. Additionally, Octillery should get Icicle Spear for more coverage. This would make Octillery an excellent Substitute breaker and fits in with its motif of being an artillery octopus. Alternatively, Octillery can be given Kingsrock and pull off a parafusion with Thunder Wave.
One of my faves since gen 2. Sadly not too viable competitively.
Pretty good with moody tho. Arguably best moody user
Nice job in your coverage of Gen 3 NU. Accurate. In NUPL 2022, Octillery lead really picked up popularity.
All this things needs is speed bro ALL IT NEEDS IS SPEED MAN JUST GIVE IT SPEED
6:17 golurk? don't you mean golduck?
7:39 and don't you mean broken ability?
What about gen 5 vgc I know octillery was use in trickroom team
Another case of being bad because your real power is banned, good enough ending to me
For a pokemon that was initially based on a tank, his defenses are subpar
Fun fact: this is the only non-legendary Pokémon to have both a physical and special attack higher than 100 in Gens 1/2
How good was heatran actually?
Great video! This evolution line has always seemed unique. I’m suprised a “How good is Coffigrigus actually?” video hasn’t been made yet since it seems to be a competitive staple.
Octillery is great in Rad Red, it got mega launcher and skill link. Mega Launcher makes it hammer.
Moody is just Octillery using 5% of his power to remind the big boys that he could wipe the floor with them if he wanted to.
You made two mistakes. Still no Eevee video and saying Golurk instead of Golduck in Gen 4.
Call me crazy, but how GOOD was Meowstic ACTUALLY?
Let’s all be honest here, Moody was banned because Smogon players can’t handle evasion boosts
Day 145.
I'm once again asking for your quagsire support
Edit: guys beware a fake fsg account in the replies, I tried to expose him but I guess he keeps reporting my replies
At 6:18 or 6:19, I believe Kellen meant to say Golduck, not Golurk. I noticed a mistake. Any of you guys noticed it too?
Yes, we get it. “Lmao Fish becomes Octopus”. Ur comment was already made
It's weird af to me that the bazooka Pokemon never got mega launcher
I really wish we got a Cthulu/Giant Squid Dynamax form for Octillery in Gen 8...
Octazooka should be 100 acc/80 power/high crit, to synergize with sniper
So, Lanturn next? Since we're doing gen 2 pokemon.
i was getting kinda MOODY of waiting for the video, when are we getting how broken was latios????? =(=(=(=(=(
Where’s the newest video?
6:17
Did you mean Golduck? Golurk didn’t exist until Generation 5.
would've loved to see a water/steel mega octillery with boosts to defenses and sp atk. couldve been a really solid one!
Oh boy the, "Pokémon with Moody Gets Banned," episode, my favorite
Yo wtf, where the video today? I need it.
People always joke about how this evolution line makes no sense, but it at least keeps the theme of "it shoots at things".
But no one EVER talks about why Clampearl evolves into Huntail.
Well the thing is that Clamperl is actually a fish egg.
My theory is that Huntail and Gorebyss are secretly standalone Pokémon, and when Clampearl "evolves", it just gets eaten.
Your idea also makes sense, I just like mine better.
They should give octillery no guard. Consistent hydro pumps, guaranteed zap cannons, focus hits instead of focus miss, and other great moves. It would also really benefit from mega launcher. Neither of these abilities would make it that great but make sense and could be a massive buff. If it got a bit more hp, 85 or more, like other gen 7 mons, assault vest + no guard could actually be pretty decent
Agree
Octazooka should’ve been buffed, maybe give it a confusion chance to reference real ink escapes. Lowering accuracy would make sense too but then the move would be banned lol
It does have a 50% chance to lower accuracy.
6:18 - Can't forget to mention good ol' Golurk among the water types in gen 4
Lol
Real title: How BROKEN was Moody actually? Part 3.
Also props to the patreons for picking a cephalopod right before Splatoon 3 releases. It they were going for that, well done.
Yeah golurk is such a better water type
Moody can be nerfed and playable by changing it's effect to:
At the end of turn
- Plus 2 to random stat
- Minus 2 to random other stat
- Can't plus and minus same stat at the same turn
- evasion and accuracy not included
Perfectly balanced as all things should be
@@darkphoenix2745 I like that too +1 stat and -2 stat just to balance the Sub Protect Combo