Running A Desktop GPU In A MINI PC
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 8 ม.ค. 2023
- In my video on the Geekom mini PC, I mentioned how it wasn't a great gaming system. I also said it wasn't possible to use a desktop GPU because of its size. Well I was wrong on both accounts, almost.
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The best part of the whole video is the presentation of the NVMe to PCIe adapter cable!!!
With this adapter we gain four PCIe Lanes (4x32Gbps or 4x64Gbps or 4x128Gbps!!!! depending on Gen of NVMe connector which is avaliable on motherboard)
So this adapter gives us the possibility to add to a computer an LSI card, iSCSI, QSFPx2, QSFP+x2, RAID controller, or any other component that requires these speeds, either to increase the provided SATA ports or to add a card network with 2x10, 2x40 or 2x100Gbps speeds!
Think what you can plug into four lines of direct connection to the processor!!!
Excellent video with unlimited applications of the adapter both in upgrades and expansions of capabilities of our new constructions.
You remain a Pioneer, keep it up!!!
awesome tech presentation! There's still a reason to do this, that is if you have multiple uses for your mini PC. I like the idea of having a dedicated spot near the TV for demanding gaming, while still keep the option of taking the mini guy with me without the eGPU if I want to. Thanks for sharing this knowledge.
good Video Rich
I like the new editing also.
thanks buddy
Thanks for the video. Awesome. Small correction: it's 600% , 6 times faster in Cyberpunk 2077 (from ~8fps to ~49fps)
Yes, same error in all of the other games too. I was wondering how he calculate...
Man probably skipped math classes in school
That would be 500% and not 600%. 6 times is +500%
@@VikasAlva Yes you are right, from ~8fps to ~49fps, it is a 512,5% increase
Had me scratching my head too the moment I heard him saying those incorrect percentages. Not really a problem but doesn't really inspire confidence on the accuracy of other information he's sharing especially on the numbers.
A few of the new mini PCs have oculink ports, I highly recommend checking those out. Cheers.
I'm curious, if you can troubleshoot a little and test the adapter on a desktop in order to find out if is the motherboard of the minipc or the adapter. nice video
Very informative video. Keep up the good work!
Thanks!
"Not wife approved" - love that line, and it is so very true!
Interesting video, while not 100% practical it is still interesting to know that such possibilities do exist. Also it was very interesting to see how well the external card did one only one PCI-X lane (better than I was expecting before seeing your benchmarks)! I would love to know how the card would have done with better bandwidth like the full 4x you were originally hoping for.
I found strong mini PC at aliexpress and thought about external GPU, but dont know how and what performance will be...and YOU MADE VIDEO ABOUT IT ❤️❤️❤️
Glad it helped.
Thanks mate..We always staying tune..😉👍
Enjoy your vids!! Anyone ever happen to mention you kinda resemble Network Chuck? Cheers!!
Yeah, I've heard that before.
I love how the Lenovo M75Q gen2 (was $488 for a Ryzen 7 and windows 10 Pro in 2020) has the holes in the board for a full PCIe x16 slot, it just doesnt have the thing populated, once i replace it i'd like to try and install one and see if i can run this with a GPU+ribbon cable+external PSU
I have some stuff, a couple psus, a 500w should be great, have a new rx580 gts xxx 8gb, but an n100 mini pc nuc7, might try it since i have an external x16 slot that hooks similar to yours but actually plugged into a slot, wondering if the cpu can handle it. Originally was gonna run it to my laptop but i dont feel like cutting things yet. Thats at least got a 5800hs on it so i know its good there, this is all for 1080p too. Alot of old games get new life with all this stuff, i love it.
never thought this would be possible. i just have some Qs. is it possible to completely remove the external power supply? like getting a gpu that does need external power (like the A2000/1650, which conveniently has low profile) , then just get the power draw from a converted floppy drive power cable to usb...
I miss having a shop. We used to "Frankenstein" so many things. If some build or configuration was impossible, we made it possible.
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I can’t help but doubt that a GTX 1660 uses the full 16x speeds that a modern PCI-E slot provides. But I am sure it’s being restrained quite a bit from 1X.
I was really surprised when I saw it run Cyberpunk at a decent enough frame rate that could be playable. I have a 1660 Super and never thought it could, so I haven’t tried.
Maybe I’ll give it a shot.
Sir I play cyberpunk on vega 7 integrated graphics a 1660 super is plenty
@@thegodhoward8037I play GTA 5 and The Finals with a Vega 8 on low 1080 settings and get decent Fps so yeah you’re right lol
I dont have such an "adapter" for the power supply I allways used just the cheapest paperclip + some cheapest office tape , because I used a PC-power-supply for many tings incl. car radios
Cool video!
How on earth did you come up with your improvement percentages though 😅? They were all wrong imo.
If you had 25fps and improve to 50 fps, that's 200% of the original or in other words a 100% improvement.
If you had 25fps and improve to 86fps (for instance), that's (100/25)*86 = 344% or a 244% improvement.
The numbers you mentioned were way lower
yeah, I saw 138% 74.1 and 13.7 and thought I was mid stroke cos my math wasn't adding up.
I calculated 440.8% improvement and for Tombraider 560%.
There must be something absolutely fundamental that is being missed cos those are non trivial errors.
I was wondering the same... am I missing something? Or is the math just way, way off?
Thanks for your always appreciated videos ;)
Please can you provide the link for the adaptor?
I agree
Great video, i cant wait to try with my 5700XT on my Lenovo M75Q Gen2 with Ryzen 7 4750GE, and a full sized PCIe slot(not populated with a slot, so i'll need to solder one in)
Slight note on performance
7:00
CSGO: 301% improvement, or 401% of the performance
GTA V: 279% improvement, or 379% of the performance
Wreckfest: 441% improvement, or 541% of the performance
SOTR: 560% improvement, or 660% of the performance
CP2077: 498% improvement, or 598% of the performance
HOW IS IT ?
@@davidjames3259 i feel called out
havent replaced the 4750GE PC in my lenovo TinyInOne because AMD still hasnt released the 7940HS to AM5, meaning Lenovo still has not updated the Tiny InOne line to the new architecture and GPU family
Not going to risk breaking the computer i use the most, till i can replace it with something better.
just wana say thanks for sharing
This is quite an interesting video.
would be good to see what the fps would have been on a better motherboard, with same SSD/memory/CPU?
Thanks
I'm currently using an old 3rd gen Dell laptop with a RX 6400, through an EXP GDC.
? where you able to change the 1x in the bios?
Your nvme adapter is pcie 1x. You can observe it by just looking at the thickness of the link. It’s way too small. You need to get a better adapter. The link right now isn’t worth it.
Thank you
1:21 Link of the adapter?
can you drop the link for the adapter? I'm going to do this for a yt vid where im going to turn my mini pc into a gaming pc by 3d printing a custom case too hold everything
I run a GMKtech K2 which is honestly a great option for gaming but I'm thinking about adding a RTX 3060
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isnt easier to get a normal box, open the mini one take it all out put it in the new box and add extentions to it as a destop one? idk just wondering on my side a easy way without being messy lol without the things open on the sides etc…
Competitive games are doing fine on mini pc, laptop or other low powered
Hey I'm not trying to be a nitpicker, but I'm confused; in many of your frame rate improvement examples, you were seeing 3-6x fps improvements, but only showing 116-150 "%" improvements...seems those should be 300-600%, so I'm thinking I am missing something?
Same question
You are missing something. Percentage difference is different from percentage increase/decrease.
@@Safetytrousers But what math says your percentage increase going from 16 to about 48 is anything other than (48-16)/16*100 or 200%
@@DIYDaveOK I tried to link a difference calculator but YT wasn't having it. Find one and try.
@@Safetytrousers I did and it supports what I'm saying. Going from 16 to 48 or any doubling or tripling isn't a 116 or 125 or whatever % increae.
Those cheaper mini PCs usually have a m.2 SSD slot which is not the same as nvme
No box, its a pcb, well built, pretty cool, only 150 us and has thunderbolt and my gmktec box actually came with thunderbolt installed!! Only runnin an rx 580, gts 8gb ocd, the best 580. Should be awesome with the 11320h to run some nice 1080 games. Also a 500w evga power supply i had lying around.
If your mini pc have 2 slots for ssd You can put ssd in one and this adaptor in second slot its gonna be fine?
you saved me, best ideea ever
Glad it helped.
09:30 - text in top of the video: Wreakfest (after Wreakfest).
Good catch. I forgot to change the template.
what i need is the link for the adapter
kinda reminds me of those restaurants that serve "deconstructed" food. deconstructed pc.
What this shows me is the sheer level of processing that is now handled by the graphics card, opposed to what the motherboard and CPU used to.
I think that adapter is shite ....did you test another one ?
imagine if mini pc in the future will have a feature of dedicated gpu attachment
Well you can always build one but yeah, imagine that
Help bought elite desk 705g4 bought rx6400 will it work NVR built first try what do I do
Great video on hacking something to something else!!!!!
Your problem was not the NVMe slot being stuck on 1.0 it was either the adapter or the cable you were using or both. The adapter AND the cable you are using to send data back and forth between the PC and the video card must support PCIe x4 or else it will default to x1.
A company called ADT Link makes a device called the R43SG that provides the 4 lanes you need To get the 4.0 working. I just bought one and I'm pairing it up with an HP elite desk 705 G4 and an 8GB MSI RX 570 OC 😁 I'm actually impressed with the frame rates you were getting on just 1X!! I wonder what The performance increase would be if you paired that same GPU up with the correct adapter And opened up the 4 lanes ?
It might be. It was a cheap eBay adapter. Honestly, it was just a fun video to do. It would be completely impractical even if it worked correctly.
Thanks but.. I do need to put the ssd too do you have another idea?😊
Unfortunately you need the M2 slot to run the pcie adapter. There's no other way to do it unless you have a thunderbolt interface. If you do have thunderbolt you can always use a GPU enclosure to do the same thing. It's a lot cleaner that way too because the GPU has its own enclosure.
man would like to c this work on the AMD Ryzen 7 7840HS mini pc
I don't know why I watched this video while I have no mini pc. I only have a dead laptop.
Would this work with a gpu that doesn't need a psu?
For a second No lie I thought it was Mick Foley On the thumbnail 😅
I'll play Microsoft office. 🤣🤣
by the way, there is a mini pc from a brand called minisforum, it has some accessories to plug external GPU on its PCI-E slot.
but I don't remember how many pcie lane, the only this i can remember is the pcie dock accessories has a maximum of 3 slots GPU size
I really think it's the adapter.
If only there was some sort of casing this could all this be bolted to so that you can slide it under desk. oops that would be a regular desktop pc.
not sure how the improvement percentage is calculated, but going from 8 fps to 50 fps is way more than 140% improvement, it is over 6 fold. If you ever update this video with the miniforums 7840hs xtx with its Oculink interface results will be even more impressive. Exposed graphics card and psu is probably not wife approved, but could be made presentable in a vertical box like the xbox. And of course any concept of practicality is non existent. A Mini PC with a more substantial integrated graphics card like the 780M can serve as a cute all-rounder PC for an elderly parent, or HTPS hidden behind the TV
Hope you reply what power adapter 😂
Sir how we buy the dock ? In India 😅
My CPU broke and if I wanted a good one I would have to replace everything except for the drive and GPU. I might do this😂
i have my gtx 970 gpu connected to my asus chromebox cn62 mini pc,, "but",,, the nvidia driver i have downloaded "does NOT" detect it!!?? why!!??😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Because you’re playing on a Chromebook not a Windows computer
I would go with 3060 RTX cos it cost the some at 1660 that is just me
Thunderbolt!!!
do you have a link to the adapter ?
Here's the link to the one I bought.
www.ebay.com/itm/255277480611
However, I don't know if I would recommend that one because it was stuck on 1x. However, that may have been a limitation on the platform and not the adapter. I didn't test multiple adapters to find out.
Has anyone done this with a Minisforum UM480XT ?
08:04 - "GTA 5 ... is pretty old" ?
yes
I've been doing this using mini pcie ivy bridge 17watt tdp using an RX the HD4000 plays GTA 5 better than Iris they are weaker new gen cpu. Unless your greener energy architecture PCI x1 isn't as great stock as i3 3217u vs HD 4000 but HD 4000 still holds its ground.
The i7-3770s is still playing demanding games today on all it threads not bottlenecked. Ivy bridge has saved Lot's gamers new CPU architecture money every new year they release to suck our money same as cell phones being released.. You work now and buy new one 99th gen Intel is here fear guy: here take my money!!!!!🤣🤣🤣😂
I liked watching the video and thanks for sharing always been curious bout new Iris
The problem is the ebay adapter :-)
Likely.
10 fps to 68fps isn't "148%" improvement, it's a 580% the framerate
sooooooooooo coooooooooll. 👌👌👍👍💕💕
thanks,where u get the adapter
he said ebay
@@lazydoggo1196 what about the power adapter?
Just because you can doesn't mean you should. IDK
Cool but this spoils the whole idea of having a mini PC. Using s small desktop would be way cheaper because powerful mini PCs are pretty expensive
Doesn't that NVMe SSD you took out have windows on it, so how do you get windows
Did you watch the video?
SSD card in lid
You have an error its says the game is wheakfast but its shadow of the tomb rider 9:44
If your wife has to "approve" your stuff, she'll have no respect for you. You should be in charge bubba.
U CANT EVEN LINK THE 14 DOLLAR IGPU
How much?
I give all the costs in the video.
Just get a mini pc with thunderbolt 3/4 and plug in a egpu
Good video but I stopped watching after you couldn't work out the correct percentages....
Awesome video btw if folks are unhappy with any video part they should simply stfu and suck it.😂