Does Resizable Bar Make Games Faster?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.พ. 2023
- Is resizable bar important for GPU performance? Turns out it is. At least a little bit. In this video we'll find out how much. This is a follow up to the video I did a while back about upgrading Nvidia GPU Drivers. I kind of messed up in that video and this video is an update.
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You're very good at explaining and breaking things down in a way that everyone can understand - A rare gift, which indicates you know your stuff well. Thanks! 👍
Thanks for this info. You are the first reviewer that alerted me to how to check if "Resizable Bar" was on and then easy to follow directions to turn it on when I found mine was off. I assumed it was already on having a newly built system and GPU. Resizable Bar is a silly bloody name by the way !
Just to let everyone know, in newer versions of the Nvidia Profile inspector there are no 0x000F00BA etc anymore. Rebar is now located under '5- Common'-> and the three options are labelled 'rBAR - Feature', 'rBAR - Options' and 'rBAR - Size Limit'. “
no point forcing it on nvidia puts it on when it does something.
Whilst showing purely FPS number differences with testing is useful - including frame timing consistency in your results, and any effect that Re-Bar has on that, would have been more useful info to be honest. As it's frame timing consistency that you can actually feel in a game, not fps averages. Other than that, good video, and love your content dude ! 👍
Also the 1% and 0.1% lows, I think we can see a big diffference here since rebar is a memory related feature.
This made me realize that my resize bar was no enabled. I bought my graphics card through a HP Omen, so finding the driver was quite the job. So glad I finally figured it out, thanks a lot!
Great video, thanks! I finally got Re-bar enabled after 2 years with this GPU
let me tell you, this video made me sub to your channel. right on point and excatly what i needed to know. thank you for the hard work. great video
Very interesting. I just learned about resizable bar yesterday. Have already enabled it on my main rig and will also enable it on my secondary rig.
Hi, I've come across a few of your tutorials recently via search. Just want to say thanks for keeping it noobish. Many techsperts skip small details, leaving me 1/2 informed, confused, frustrated. Those who already know this stuff don't need to watch/learn (but prob do anyway just to critic u). Will give it a go with FiveM & RedM. Subbed.
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It's shocking how Resize Bar technology wasn't a thing already implemented into games for years. It's like someone got lazy in the dev world and now we're having to wait for games to support it or update their game to support it.
The answer is consoles holding everything back.
It can't be implemented into games unless the hardware and the hardware's drivers can make use of it. Game devs had to work with what they're given. Now you could argue that the hardware/hardware drivers should've made use of it years earlier and I'd agree there, but there may have been a reason for the limitation we're not aware of.
I think the reason it hasn't been a thing until now is because games didn't really need it.
We've experienced a huge evolution in realism in games just recently and that's what's made this more of a requirement.
@CyberCPU Tech this is true too. Cpu usage wasn't really an issue prior to huge open worlds.
It's shocking you didn't jump into the dev world and solve this obvious problem.
Hey Rich, one question. I have a system with 5 drives all MBR including the SSD NVME where my OS is located. If I convert my SSD to from MBR to GPT using the method you shared, is it expectable to experience any issues and/or incompatibilities issues with any of my other HDDs MBR? Thanks in advance.
Thanks, this is such a great help.
Excellent video. I wonder if you would mind doing a part two and show how to download and install NVIDIA Profile Inspector. Also, I run Linux on my main machine and do not believe this app even applies. That said, I do have an equally spec'd Windows PC for certain uses including a few games. Last, I noticed when you showed how to set changes back to default, you did not mention to apply the changes which most should figure out, but some may miss. Love your content and how you present, it's easy to follow and listen to. Thanks!
The Nvidia profile inspector is a portable app. It doesn't need to be installed.
Linux is far behind Windows when it comes to gaming. I don't believe any of this is relevant to Linux. However I gave up on Linux gaming ages ago. It's better now but nowhere near good enough to rely on it as a gaming OS.
You don't have to apply the changes when you revert to defaults. At least I don't believe you do. I believe the reset button does that automatically. I might be wrong though, you have me doubting myself. I may have to check it out.
Thanks, very detailed tutorial
Thanks man, this video helped me a lot; to activate rBAR, I would first have to update my BIOS - and that's too much effort for the small increase in performance.
thanks for the tutorial subbed!!
With Intel ARC you must to have RE-BAR enabled.
super helpful thank you.
Finaly a man that knows what he is talking about and mentions "CSM off" :P
When I turn my csm off I can’t boot to my desktop I end up in the bios again can I change something ?
In ASUS bios there is an option at top right that says "Resize BAR" (Shown at 5:43). If you use that option, it changes all the related settings automatically to enable it.
True. I still like showing how to do it manually. Not everyone has an ASUS board and that setting. By doing it manually it's easier to follow the steps on a wider range of hardware.
@@CyberCPU Yes, that's the main purpose of the video. I was just noticing it for people in IT, that didn't knew that option, to work faster =)
@@CyberCPU Thank you for considering us noobs 👍
plus you have to make sure your drives are GPT and not MBR
The only game I know that gains a lot with Resizable Bar is Dead Space Remake. That's why in the latest Nvidia Drivers it was enabled by default.
Quite informative.
@7:47 CPU -G haha loved it :P
Resizable bar also works with 300 series motherboard if the bios is updated
should i enable sr-iov support ?? i use my pc just for gaming so will it be helpful to turn it on or nah?
I just disabled resizable bar in bios a few days ago and saw a big decrease in ram latency on benchmark tests. I am leaving it off as I'd rather have higher .1% fps than higher average fps. 13900k and 4080.
I've read someone saying their cpu usage decreased as well by 20% after disabling rebar. With these fps "gains" I'd rather have it off as well.
In the bios you first needed to activate Above 4G Decoding
Do you know what that feature does?
I know it can be activated even on GTX GPUs, but I don't know if it improves fps or not
My friend with 10th gen intel CPU activated it and saw no difference maybe because his GPU had 4GB VRAM
I have a 9th gen intel CPU and didn't updated the bios to support Above 4G Decoding a Resizable Bar since I have a GTX 1660
It enables the PCI bus to address more than 4G of memory on a 64bit system.
If you Enable (Auto) the Resizable Bar in the BIOS, CSM in Auto will work correctly. in other words, one change versus several changes. At least that's the way I do it and then verify.
I guess a better check if resizable bar is turned on.
The resizable bar performance depends on the game but for the most part I would recommend enabling resizable bar in the BIOS. You certainly can look up benchmarks with and without. I only play one game MW2 and at least on my RTX 4090 I'm gaining about 10 FPS @ 3440x1440.
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nvidia auto dissables it for games the worsen with it on anyways so mind as well just keep it on.
@@dragonwikgaming582 .. It does unless you override it.
Maybe it's just me, but I kept hearing "GDP partition"... If I'm not crazy - it's "GPT" FWIW.
you do know that in the Asus bios in EZ mode it had "Resize BAR" as the top right option, just setting that to on will check all these marks
I know you mention it but the GPU BIOS needs to support it too.
I have GTX 980 Ti and it’s not supported regardless of the driver version.
The problem is the latest MSI BIOS now has resizable BAR enabled by default. I just happened
U can use resizeble bar on ryzen 3000 series.
nvidiaProfileInspector gives be flashbacks to SLI days getting games to work lol
uh sir the method you used for disableing s mode doesnt work can u pls help
It some other settings u have turn on high performance on he game as well so it doesn't help run game in the background
AMD has already enabled Resizable Bar functionality on 5000 series graphics cards. I highly recommend using the custom graphics driver Amernime Zone. It functions very well, and allows you to enabled DXNavi on 5000 series graphics cards, which not only speeds up loading times but also reduces stuttering and increases 1% and 0.1% lows. The 5600 XT is known to have an issue with limited 1GB Bar size, however this can be overcome by bios modding. I don't recommend this unless you have a dual bios board, and even then DXNavi has more of an impact in my opinion on RDNA1 than ReBar does.
my rebar active but dont show up for any game in nvidia profile inspector ?
Azus? Nah man thats not how its spelled lol Love your contents btw, Keep up the good work!
Would like to see results from CPU intensive games like Star Citizen
i was thinking to go through things to enable re-bar but i decided to stay without it bcoz all games i play gives me 100+ fps on max settings so 3-5% doesnt matter to me or does it?
Why would you not enable it. Its free performance.
I dont see any disadvantages
3:00 It's not correct that you need an Intel 10th Gen or newer processor. I have two Z390 motherboards with a 9 series processor that will allow for Resizable Bar. The two motherboards are a ASUS TUF Z390-PLUS GAMING (WI-FI) and Gigabyte Z390 DESIGNARE. It just depends on the motherboard manufacturer to put out a bios that allows this on older processors.
Good to know, thanks for the info.
Is this supported in laptop gpu rtx 3060 ?
Any idea when or if NVIDIA will make resizable bar available for RTX 2080 super?
I don't know if that's even a plan. It would be nice but I believe it's a tech that is only available on 30 series and up.
It's my understanding that this Tech requires a vbios update. Since Nvidia is more of a GPU OEM to a wide range of manufacturers it would require those manufacturers themselves to update and test their own vbios. Aside from a few exceptions ATI makes their own GPUs so it's easier for them to implement support on older GPUs. For NVIDIA it would be a monumental task for a GPU that they don't really even produce anymore. So it's probably not going to happen.
Does this not increase load capacity on your GPU and CPU causing higher Temps and shortening life span?
No, if anything it should lower the loads on your CPU.
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This was out before now I thought it was on the 1080 back in the day
Im a bit lost, I have the same motherboard and my bios looks the same but when I got to the PCI Subsystem Settings the ‘Above 4D Decoding’ isn’t there
You probably need to update your mobo bios in order to get the setting to appear.
On my gigabyte motherboard i didnt have to turn off CSM to enable Resizable Bar
GPT is the format you want your C drive to be, GDP is Gross Domestic Product xD
He also used some words interchangably by accident. And called GPU-Z a CPU-Z a few times. Even ZPU-G hahahaha
i cant find rezise bar in bios even if enaable the other option
I did the bios step and it still says not enabled.
Cyberpunk is so much harder to run now compared to when you made this video, wow.
I will be enabling it in UEFI and then I can try it on my games and see if it makes a difference. The worst thing that seems may happen is I get an imperceptible loss of frame rate. I am not one of those people who worries about every last FPS. Just as long as the game isn't some hideous muddy looking teary mess that is all that matters to me really. If I happen to get good FPS great but I am not going to spend a ton of money unless it makes a huge difference. For now my RTX 3060 should work with a lot of games. It might not be the best choice for all of them but I am not yet ready to spend thousands on a GPU. I am glad to say that for the most part the scalping epidemic seems to be over or maybe they just moved onto something else to avoid annoying us PC users.
The scalping problem I think was solved by Nvidia. They raised the prices on GPUs and now it's not as lucrative for scalpers. At least that's my theory.
@@CyberCPU Maybe they solved it by introducing/selling LHR and Non-LHR GPU's (Low Hash Rate cards for gamers, and the High Hash Rate cards for miners/scalpers)
@@LockedOutBy2FA Miners figured out how to get around that almost immediately. It wasn't very effective.
you could have just went to the resiazble bar tab and everything would have been there ..silly pants.. great video tho!
I have a ventus 3x 3070 and i had to update my gpu vbios, for that kind of card what i had to do is to get a newer one from the same manufacturer: MSI.
MSI GAMING TRIO worked out withour crashes.
With that and a lotherboard update h510 v 1.5 it works....
Rezisable bar isnt essy to activate but its possible with some research.
**PC SPECS**
Mobo: MSI MPG x570 gaming plus
RAM: (16x2) 32gb 3600MHz DDR4 Corsair Vengeance
CPU: Ryzen 7 3700X
GPU: Gigabyte Eagle OC GeForce RTX 4080 16GB
I game at 1440p, 144Hz monitor, typically using 5-10% of my GPU with CPU at 80+% in games like fortnite 0 build and my frames dip pretty low sometimes.
Would resizable bar help me? Is there an AM4 CPU upgrade I can make that would help with 1440p gaming?
Ryzen 7 5800x3d
I've done all these steps but no matter how many times I turn on Resize BAR and Above 4G Encoding on in my B460 mobo it still says Resize BAR is off in GPU-Z
Kind of a shame you have to disable CSM for this. I have a dual monitor setup and on my rig if I disable CSM the wrong monitor shows the UEFI boot logo and such. Now granted my PC is 4th gen Intel so resizable bar will never be an option anyways but I suspect the monitor behavior might become a problem if I ever upgrade to a system that does. :(
Just upgraded from a gtx 1060 6gb to a rx6650xt, and stumbled on re-sizeable bar while diagnosing why wreckfest was running like ass. Immediately ran waaaaay better, no stutters or framedrops
Revisited this topic just to confirm to myself that rebar is better off!
I'm Honestly convinced that resizable Bar is a placebo and all results are within margin of error.
My stupid dell bios doesn't have an option for it even though the cpu supports it
Resizable bar isn’t there on nvidia control panel I have an ASU’s laptop is it because it’s a laptop?
I have bios utility not uefi what ever that is
@@EXO-BUGyou need to update to the latest profile Inspector
also works on am5!
for Nvidia is not a large improvment, the only diferrence I saw is that my motherboard bios now runs at the native resoluition of my monitor
Rbar is like HAGS on windows. Sometimes is 2 fps better but when it's bad its minus 5 to 10 fps. Set and forget....leave it off
Intel arc a380 by asrock says it has to be enabled. Does anyone know if that's true?
Since its arc gpu i supposed it has to be
When benchmarkin Forza Horizon 5 I get 126 FPS instead of 100 FPS which IMO is insane!
I have the B550m s2h Ryzen 5 5600X RX6700XT every time I enable resizable bar i try to boot it goes back to bios
Maybe your boot drive partition is created in the other mode. If so, disabling cms in bios could cause it to be unable to boot like he said early in the video.
The resizable bar seems it's not that big of a deal to even enable. For me that plays MSFS2020 a lot in my case, But can always try and test myself to see if there is any big difference. The only downside that I only use a 1660TI and so it's defo not going to work. End of the day I'm saving up for a new GPU anyway and with the costs and whatnot I do not even know what to go with anymore. I have been looking at the 4080 but the 4070TI is cheaper, but then why not the 3080..? For me is to future proof and able to play MSFS and get my money worth rather than spending double on cash for less performance
Personally, for most people I recommend the 30 series right now. It's cheaper and when it comes to GPUs it's better to have a cheaper one you can enjoy now then saving up for more expensive one that will be cheaper by the time you save up enough money to buy it.
You know what I mean? 🤷♂️
@@CyberCPU Depands where people are based in the UK for a 3080 if you can even get hold of one they are around starting point £800 to £1000... But the stores are having less by the day as they are no longer stocking them XD
@@Empire24453 You should still be able to get them online. I just bought a pair of 3060's for a couple customer systems I built recently and they where priced pretty good. They where $360 each on Newegg.
It came waaaaaaaaaay too late. It could be good for people with little older systems but because there is direct storage and similar technologies on PC now no-one will really bother with this.
You should have tested Warzone 2
ya the only cards it makes a real diff is Arc, ive had it enabled on my z270 maximus 9 and 2080 with modded bios but it wasnt worth it and x570 master and 3080 and it dont really make it worth it on that too.
It sounds like you keep saying GDP instead of GPT.
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3:36 this isn't correct. I'm using an AMD RX5700XT , MSI X470 Gaming plus with the latest ueif bios update , AMD R5 5600X and 16GB DDR4 3200 ram.
I have resizeable bar enabled in the uefi and in the last few AMD driver releases.
With resizable bar enabled I also notice games load way faster with my NVME drive.
Good to hear. My videos are filmed 2 to 3 weeks before they are published. I did mention in the video that ATI was expanding support for older cards.
@@CyberCPU I couldn't enable resizable bar when I had an R5 2600 but I upgraded to an R5 5600X a few months ago. I had the R5 2600 for over three years. I
know I could haven't saved money by buying the 5600 but I wanted to buy the 5600X since it was released. I fought with myself when buying the CPU 😂. I know it's only worth 2 or 3 fps more but I had to have it.
Also I'm using pbo curve optimized negative 24 and the CPU boosts to 4.85GHz with ease without going above 65C.
@@Steve30x I have the 5600. I probably should have gotten the 5600X but when I bought it the 5600 was on sale and was considerably cheaper then the X variant.
Even when I set resizable bar to auto it still tells me it’s off for my rtx 3090. Please help
In the video I show you how to find out why. It will give you the list of requirements and tell you which ones not met.
@@CyberCPU it was because I needed to download the resizable download tool for nvidia gpu’s firmware. You didn’t have that solution in the video
@@Mjjohnson-df6fi what GPU are you using?
@@CyberCPU rtx 3090 FE
@@Mjjohnson-df6fi that should support resizable bar right out of the box.
does it worth the hassle?
Its not really a hassle. Just 3 things in bios. You could do that in 2 minutes
can you please help me I want to use Microsoft store but I don't want a Microsoft account is there a way so that I can use it. I love you videos
I never ever had a MS account and can use MS Store no problem.
how to update vbios in my 3070 my resize bar is disabled even after enabling all the toggles in bios. please help 😃
Your video card manufacturer should have an update to the latest vbios.
@@CyberCPU i have Nvidia's Founder Edition 3070
@@CaptainScorpio24 then Nvidia should have a vbios update for it.
@@CyberCPU ok but how to update or flash GPU bios bcz i cant see any option in nvidia control panel...
@@CaptainScorpio24 Maybe this is a topic I need to make a video on. I'll look into it.
turn on rebar on my 3060ti and got 0 additional fps in cb2077.
Fps isn't really what resizable bar is for... it's for better cpu gpu clock speed... I get 8ms gpu time and 6ms cpu time... once I enable rebar I get 4ms cpu 4ms gpu on the same settings in warzone... fps is always different because of background apps and because of game server inconsistencies... rebar is very good if the game supports it... Google it... if it's supported for the game Your wondering about... people will be talking about it
I do not like the camera zoom ins and out
short answer, I didn't even look at you're clip it's YESSS kurwaa it makes you're game faster :)
I don't update anything unless I know I get a benefit. If I don't play a game they optimized I'm wasting my time if I update.
Driver updates don't always contain specific optimizations for specific games but they do optimize the GPU itself and make it more efficient. Not updating drivers is leaving performance on the table in most cases. Might as well get what you paid for by a free driver update.
Just the performance increase that I got in Cyberpunk and Control alone many people would buy a new GPU to achieve. I was actually blown away at that more than anything else.
In conclusion, don't force the Resizable Bar. It going to be counterintuitive and may not be beneficial on all.
I agree. Forcing support was relevant when Nvidia first started supporting it. However, they seem to be doing a good job qualifying games now.
9th gen intel doesn't work? 9900k here lol
Am i the only one that was getting bad utl on the gpu because of this god awful feature, turned it off and gpu is back to sitting at 100 without frame dips
Some small corrections : Resizeable Bar works with Ryzen 3xxx but benefits are slightly reduced compared to Ryzen 5xxx .
2nd you can already mod your original AMD Driver for old Vega or polaris resizeable Bar Driver support , you must edit your Windows reg
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\ControlSet001\Control\Class\{4d36e968-e325-11ce-bfc1-08002be10318}\0000]
"KMD_EnableReBarForLegacyASIC"=dword:00000001
"KMD_RebarControlMode"=dword:00000001
"KMD_RebarControlSupport"=dword:00000001
Can't believe i bricked my gpu bios trying to get rebar lmao. I fixed it, but man was it annoying
Honestly I don't use resizable bar or DLSS or even ray tracing ...I don't care about them as I have never needed to use either of them
Your missing out. Ray tracing is pretty beautiful.
CPU-Z
How did bro record bios💀💀
simple, plug the HDMI out into a capture device and record it from there
@@UncleJemima I was stupid two months ago💀
Please don’t call ray tracing “RTX”
Try Dead Space remake
You are saying Asus and I'm understanding Zeus :)))))))))))))))))))) and wondering what a Zeus is....
He's a Norse god who has a popular movie franchise. 😂🤣
GPT not GDP (gross domestic product)
conclusion: act like youve never heard of this feature, its useless.
yeah but if the game doesn't have resizebar compatibility this doesn't work guy....