M3 Grease Gun and HK UMP Part 3
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From Season 1 of TAC-TV. Ken and Larry continue comparing the M3 Grease Gun and the HK UMP.
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This 3-part series on the UMP versus the M3 is very, very interesting, especially if you are interested in SMGs. Astonishing how good the 70 year old M3 design really was.
drank a shot every time they said BRO! hahaha
who cares?
His liver
For me, the M3 "Grease Gun" SMG is one of the truly impressive and wonderful sub machine gun in the world. And it is still so reliable despite of its considerable age, that is why they are some few type of this fire arms, are still in use in the Philippine armed forces today. Thank you for sharing this wonderful videos. Awesome channel vids admin, good work.
Full-Auto has it's purpose, but 99% of the time. Semi-auto is gonna be so much more effective.
+redgreen3b1 Not for a submachine gun.
Sun Tzu Dude have you ever even shot a real gun b4? U have no idea how stupid you sound with that comment. I don't fault you. It just shows you prolly shouldn't be commenting on a gun video.
redgreen3b1 I don't know where to start, submachine guns where purely designed to spray-and-prey, they didn't even have select fire levers until about the 50s, if you want single shot, accuracy and range, use a rifle.
Sun Tzu Lol
This isn't COD bro. I'm talking irl.
First off, great vid LAV! Awesome channel content as usual. Second, and this is the big one. This proves without a doubt the viability of the M3 even on the modern battlefield. The HK is obviously a superb firearm, no question. I have never fired either weapon but have to say a modernized take on the M3 would be a beast to see. Bring the grease gun to the functional level of the HK and keep its heavier bolt and simplicity and you could have a winner.
Old reliable turned out pretty well. I was quite impressed with the M3. I shot one in the PI many years ago (M3A1) and really liked it; in fact, after recent experience with the Thompson, I would have to rate the M3 series as a better battle weapon. For what designers had to work with, as well as the time in which they had to come up with the weapon, they did a very good job. Not the ideal weapon, and with its lack of a selector not as useful for modern LE action, but good for its time and technology.
Awesome, loved this. Ever since the mid 00s when I learned about the greasegun, I've been fascinated by "value for your buck" weapons like it, and when I heard the UMP was kind of like that for the MP5, I was very happy to find out someone had had the same idea and compared the two.
2 or 3 round burst options should be legal for civilians.
why?
Will M "Shall not be infringed"
Depends on the gun, but almost all actual burst-fire mechanisms merely trip the disconnector after whatever # of rounds are fired via the same firing cycle as in full auto. Only a very few firearms, such as the AN94 and the G11 (both unicorns) have mechanisms which specifically cause burst to cycle so quickly that the recoil impulse of round 1 isn't felt until the burst is downrange. Most guns with burst do not have that feature.
Full auto should be legal
With iron sights, I think I'd take the Grease Gun over the UMP, but, as they said, It'd be neat to see how the UMP's groups fared with a red dot sight. I'd prefer an M1A1 Thompson or a PPSh-41 over an MP5 any day.
Man, Guy Fieri has a great gun channel.
1:38 *"GET OUTA THE SHOT CAMERA MAN!!!!!!!"*
LMAO
a good muzzle brake would help alot with recoil on that UMP
How about a ump vs kriss video??
I am really liking these videos, just seeing how well older firearms still hold up today is pretty cool.
Great video, Larry and Ken...have you guys done a comparison of the UMP .45 and the new CMMG .45 SBR? The company says that they can shoot the much higher pressure .45 - the name of it escapes me - but another video channel said it is akin to a .45 ++P. Thoughts?
Eric and Chad in 20 years..
Larry, I sure would like to hear you thoughts of the effectiveness of hollow point 9mm vs 45 ball. Thanks
that UMP looks like fun!
excellent comparison!...
however, would still like to see M3 grease gun chambered in 10 millimeter. I think the gun is heavy enough to handle it, as well as, firing from open bolt w/ slow firing cycle....
I didn’t use an M3 in WW2. Had my Thompson, M1, and 1911. Of course I snagged the first MP40 I could. In my unit it wasn’t a problem to use it, but had to hide it when around normals. In Korea I use the M3A1 exclusively. Great gun. In Nam I ran an M60 and loved it too. Fired an MG42 once in ‘45, and both are great mid guns. Hated the MP5 I got in SAD operations, but those are stories for an other day.
I absolutely love both of these guns.
They were having a blast, would have liked to seen the MP5 in the competition with these.
I have a question that may seem simplistic to some , but why or what makes most guns rise up when fired on full auto?
I understand that if you fire just a couple of rounds the gun hasn't had time to react but after the third or forth shot, well that's a different story...
+Dan NZ every single shot rises the muzzle a little bit so after 3 or 4 shots it is not possible to align the sigths with the target, weapons have muzzle rifle in full auto due to the constant preassure generated by the recoil of produced by several shots interacting with the geometry of the gun wich in many cases makes the gun pivot around a very low axis, the gases comming put of the muzzle add to this effect but can also be used to reduce it by redirecting the blow to the sides or upwards and that is how a compensator works, so with a high bore axis, lineal geometrical design a good compensator, a low power ammunition and a heavy construction a gun can fire in full auto with almost no muzzle rise like the maerican 180
One day I need to get hold of a 2 shot burst SMG in 45 or 10mm. I don't know what weird things a burst function might do, but I'd like to find out.
The honey badger is great for everything. It's is chambered in .300 blackout though, but it has an integrated suppressor and no recoil.
i love that stash
When shooting an MP-5 it is mandatory that you flick the bolt with your hand like in the movies it seems possible to do the same thing with a HK UMP
Joshua Lansell-Kenny not exactly mandatory but it is recommended by H&K to properly seat the round
What does he said at: 9:53?
I wonder if anyone has ever shot the sling off of the UMP before? It looks like it would be easy to hook it bringing the muzzle up. Not that I will ever get to shoot one....
Cool channel.
I evaluated the UMP when it first hit to replace our MP5s and felt like the stock was way to flimsy and contributed to the control issues. Have they improved the stock or did you feel it was an issue? Not to say the grease guns wire stock is rock steady. lol
It's 2015, nobody uses all caps lol anymore
2016
2:52, did he just say the UMP has "very low bolt mass"? It very much does not, the bolt is nearly half the weight of the gun. It's a solid steel brick shuttling back and forth in a polymer casing that makes the UMP rock like a bronco on full auto. By far my least favorite of the subguns I've fired in the past because of this.
Same thing ran through my head, the bolt is massive! Paired with hollow point 40 cal got me longing for the MP5 again
I wonder what the designers of the M3 (and gun designers in general) would thiink if they saw the UMP, KRISS or even the P90? They might be impressed with polymers or even the P90's magazine, but maybe some of them thought we would be using laser rifles by now.
They would hate them. They had Polymers (plastic) back then and they were smart enough not to use it so heavily. Grips and handguards fine but major structural elements? no but i digress.
Ivan Emrich only gun with lots of polymer I would trust is the ump
They'd probably hate them just like most really old people hate new things they don't understand and/or which make them insecure about their unfamiliarity with the state of a field they used to be on top of. All natural human silliness.
M3 rocks!
I feel as though a UMP without a VG would cause me to shoot my fingers off.
Part 1 and 2 ... Just discussion
Whenever I see video of people shooting guns with straight magazines it looks like they're shooting upwards
Something to be said for low cyclic rate. More controllable and greater persistence in combat. Just an armchair observation from a lifetime civvie. I did once hold a grease gun having just fired an M16 (at an army base, so it wasn't an ar15) and the weight of that little gun rally struck me.
Bingo.
Bingo is his name, oh. Let’s do it bro
His name was Robert Paulson. His name was Robert Paulson...
I am sorry, my vote goes to the M3 Grease Gun.
70+ years of being old faithful.
If I am alive when the UMP will be in service for 70 years, I will give it an edge on the Grease Gun.
Dad: pass the grease gun
Me: 3:54
They should make UMP in 50 cal ?😂😂
I dont think it would be that hard. .50 cal isnt much bigger than a .45 projectile. The hardest part would be containing the pressures that build up in the chamber. Well that is my guess anyway. Still would be a very.....interesting gun.
They are bros...
I love the grease gun
Me too.
Ever since I read the short timers I’ve been fascinated by it
I always have too
Have you guys seen the Grease Guns used by the Philipine Navy?
The who's navy? Lol doubt it...
+FighterJet 210
The Grease Gun is a US weapon.
+DemocracyOfHypocrisy
And the point is?
All these comments are pretty strange. A quick 3 second search will show that the Philippines navy still use a silenced m3
You mean, the Philippine Marines, Special Battalion sir. Yes indeed they are some plenty of M3, SMGs that still in service in the Philippine armed forces units, and they have been handled and operated by the armed forces elite special forces.
the stash guy slaps the fuck out of the trigger lolllllll. where do they get these guys?
Do u even know who "these guys" are??
yea... the discovery channel special forces... smfh... One day you might clue in that theres a whole world of ppl on a nother level.
Okay whatever u say
Can someone explain me what the use is of a rifle, that fires pistol rounds/?
These are sub-machine guns, not rifles.
Why spend money on a smg when a rifle is just as expensive?iow Why pay more for less? if that makes sense, but I am not a weapon owner
Bio World Rifles are made for mediate to long range firing, while SMG's are made for close combat where having full auto can mean the difference between life and death. Plus the shorter length of smg's make it more maneuverable in close quarters like inside buildings where a rifle would be too long and have semi-auto or especially a bolt-action would mean death if you suddenly happen to come along an enemy. A sudden high rate of fire tends to spook people more than just a single shot.
Thanks for the explanation BudMeister
Bio World Yep no problem. The modern carbines did kind put the smg into a very specific role nowadays as you can get better firepower into the same size weapon like with the M4.
🤘😁🤘
Ump is the most easily produced SMG ever. Even more so than the grease gun.
Y’all like to say bro a lot huh
В человека с усами в кобуре "Кольт" со взведеным курком весь ролик!. Как можно держать пистолет в боевом состоянии? Это нарушение безопасности.
Seems like a very random comparison.
Ivan Emrich it was because similar caliber, slower rof, and stick mags
Grease Gun is better at full auto because it's from the era of "kill em all and let God sort em out!"
3:47 DAMN your 1911 is loaded! Decock this thing if you dosen't need it! Are you insane!
Are you kidding
***** Cocked and locked. Perfectly safe, tons of people conceal carry compact 1911s just like that.
Michael hill
Hes on the Range. And do a Video. He dosen't need a Cocked Gun on his rig. Thats also not good for the Hammer Spring at all.
***** Larry has taken dumps that has forgotten more about the 1911 than you will ever know. Seriously dude, stay in your lane.
***** Hahahahaha, "not good for the hammer spring"
larry needs to loose weight!
Tommy Sands he has check his most recent videos he is looking great
@@Idogames4 Seems to have mellowed off the obnoxious macho vibe a bit too, thank god. He's a treat on Ian's forgottenweapons vids.
Personally I prefer the m3 it looked steadier than that shitty ump in firing and the heavier bolt of the m3 gave it more controllability
Soviet Russia did you just call the big bad monster of smgs shit?
guy with the beard should go on "the biggest loser" and workout with Anna Kournikova
***** Ex special forces men tend to gain weight. Transitioning from a fast paced lifestyle where you can burn 4000 to 5000 calories in a day to a civilian life where you need half that is rough. I do think that he absolutely needs to lose some weight to preserve his health, but there is a reason why this happens.