Battle of the Submachine Guns Pt.4: Thompson vs. Grease Gun vs. KRISS Vector
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- Battle of the Submachine Guns Pt.4: Thompson vs. Grease Gun vs. KRISS Vector
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Larry reunites with legendary firearms trainer Ken Hackathorn and they compare the M1A1 Thompson and M3 Grease gun to one of the new kids on the Sub-Machine gun block…the KRISS Vector! Comparing everything from accuracy, controllability, and power on target, they find out if the new pup is up to the challenge of the battle tested veterans! - บันเทิง
And the good news is 3/4 of a century later someone has managed to develop a SMG that is 1/2 second faster to operate than the M1 Thompson.
It’s not a dumb comparison at all, it’s interesting to see specific examples of how technology has evolved outside the realm of information technology. Good ole fashion metal clunking together. Really have to admire the simplicity of guns
The Smith&Wesson M76 is one of my favorite designs is looks Similar to a grease gun but styled like Gustav Swedish K
I carried an M4 grease gun in Desert Storm as a tanker.....loved that freaking gun.
Cabrito Tequila
Phantom forces?
Lol
M3
@@Autobotmatt428 lmao my man was going akimbo 🤣
Imagine if someone Resurrected that grease gun with modern FEATURES M3 grease gun
I was very impressed with the Thomson. It’s over a 100 years old (1918) and was still quick and accurate compared to the modern gun.
no way!!!! the new gun is more advanced than guns designed in the 1st and 2nd world war!?!? wow mind blown! can't believe it, say it isn't so.
though the conclusion is an obvious one, it's still interesting to see precisely why
@Chris Ruiz the 1911 really isnt in service anymore buddy, 7 round magazine really doesn't cut it anymore.
more like "Ser Missing the Point"
The Kriss better be superior to the grease gun. The grease gun is a more than 70 year old gun designed to be made as cheap as possible.
+NOVA - These guys also compared the F-15 Strike Eagle to the P-51 Mustang, and the Sopwith Camel, and concluded that the F-15 was the superior fighter plane.
Who would'a guessed?
+NOVA The M2 BMG has been in service for almost 100 years. Bullets don't care what shoots them.
+HotCuppaCoffee theyre talking longevity of service and fitness for tasking amongst other things.
All of which are valid comparisons.
The camel was THE supreme dogfighter, but it was basically obsolete within 6 months of introduction.
The P51D was the queen of the skies over germany from 1944-1945, but was already rendered obsolete by the ME262 before the D model even arrived in theatre.
The F15 has been THE tactical air superiority fighter for over 40 years. It is still capable today.
Of course a camel isnt gonna take on an F15.
But they can be compared.
sugarnads - I would suggest that making such comparisons is taking things into the realm of absurdity.
A Person Using TH-cam yea no doubt. It's an underrated SMG in my opinion
So, thanks for showing us that the more modern weapon, is indeed more modern
Next lets compare a 1903 Springfield and ACR
Other Suggestions:
Mosin Nagant vs SCAR
KAR-98 vs Tavor
i'd take the 1903. ACRs are trash
Nice marketing video. The M1A1 Thompson and the M3 Grease gun are battle proven weapons. The Kriss is a plastic laden Mac 10 with a complex mechanism that would have never performed in WW2 combat conditions. US Civilians cannot buy a full-auto Kriss, but can buy registered Thompsons or M3s in NFA legal states.
Good point
And I knew that US Civilians cant own powerful weapons the tyrannical gov has which is wild.
Since I love for old guns. I'd go with the M3 Grease Gun or the Thompson.
How about comparing the Kriss to the UMP-45?
After watching Garand Thumb on all these videos, he says the MP5 is the superior firearm lol
Please put this in perspective;
First how many people commenting on how poor a gun the Thompson is, have actually fired one?
I have and it's a very unique experience; both in full and semi-auto mode.
Second, if the Thompson hadn't been created almost 100 years ago, there wouldn't be an evolution to the guns being developed today.
Third, the comparison here is likened to the current Ford Mustang over an original Ford Model-T, again there's 100 year difference.
For the average gun owner protecting his home and family, I don't know...
Whatever you are "comfortable & proficient" with is the best choice for you.
I'll keep my Thompson, 30 rounds of .45 ACP that I can hang onto with both hands and walk around the room with incredible accuracy; you see where you're firing and what you're hitting. Yes, it's heavy, but it stays where you point it.
On the other hand, if I'm "firing for effect" with my Thompson, something has seriously broken down in the immediate area...
exactly!
+c881188 Agreed. Frankly non of the above for me. In my home and where I live, a 1911 pistol and 12 gauge loaded with buck and ball. Different areas and situations and preferences would dictate different weapons for home defense. Also agree with the "comfortable and proficient".
You have a full auto Thompson for home defense?? Nice! :D
+c881188 Dude guns are older than cars it took longer to develop guns then cars
Sorry. But the thompson was not any sort of leading design.
Try the mp18 from ww1 the sub machine gun had been made better and far more simply long before thompson made his heavy expensive and over complicated toy.
Youre happy with yours. Sweet.
Doesnt mean it was state of the art when new.
Fact is it was superceded in service as soon as they developed something cheap to make and easy to maintain.
They cost 3x the price of a .30 calibre browning machine gun. Ridiculous.
Despite reading the title, I was still expecting the MP40 to be the third gun.
Mp5 vs Scorpion Evo 3 vs MPX
Time difference is so little...This video shows that over the years jingles and bells have been added to the submachinegun
how much vector paid to you to compare their gun to wwII smgs?
Jan Kowalski yeah i dont know how much the gun paid them
Guns don’t pay people. People pay people.
Lol Kriss Vector is a person tho...
Sammy NunyaBidness nice one
@@JensenAzotea No, Kriss is a person, Vector is the design name.
Great series guys, more of this sort of thing!
In view of all 3 performances I'd take an M3 any day.
Your choice.BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER, YOU WILL NOT HAVE ENOUGH TO BUY A FULLY AUTOMATIC WEAPON . The Thompson is $30,000 - $45,000 the Kriss Is a resent gun so you cannot buy it anyway. 1984 democrat gun law. And the Grease gun not sure but at least over $15,000 or more.
@@nitewatchman1576
You mean 1986 ban? Passed by Reagan?
@@nitewatchman1576 M3 Grease guns are $30K $35K.
Who knew a gun made more recently is better than guns from ww2??? sick video man really taught me some stuff
Yeah what would you thank old vs new.better design and polymer man guns from ww2 al metal and wood but they are icon cause they help save the world.plus they where good for the time better than what other countrys had and cab stand up to what the Germans had.
times were not that different, not enough to say any was better than the other, besides, we can't get them in full or even burst mode, so that point is moot. Test it against an MP5, or other well known more modern weapons, not against ww2 firearms. Frankly I'd say the old guns held their own.
The Grease Gun was used by US forces for 50 years and served in Desert Storm. The tactics used in Desert Storm aren't that unlike what we use today. So I'd wager that the Grease Gun would still be very effective in properly trained hands just like a revolver is for people that still carry them.
Great series of videos, keep it up!!
MP40
A german classic.
Love from the Philippines
All I got to say “God Bless Texas”
M3 Grease Gun is the winner for Track Record.(1943-1992 in US military service, and still in service for some country now).
And M3 Grease Gun is also the winner for easy field strip and cleaning.
Thanks for sharing Larry and Ken
Your videos are awesome. They're not all talk and they don't go into too much detail on something small. All action. Plus you're skills are impressive. Semper Fi.
Thanks!
That was awesome. I'd love to see another video testing the MP40 and MP5 with the same drill.
Great video. Thanks for sharing.
As soon as I saw the Kriss a year ago I knew I wanted one- this proves my assumptions gotta get one- great vid as always
The grease gun was still in service in 1990-91, at least technically. I have heard stories of new M1 tanks arriving with new old stock grease guns in the turret, still in their foil wrap. The grease gun was used by tank crews from day 1 due to its compactness and the ease of barrel removal to make it even more compact. I remember a demo from TacTV where a grease gun shot smaller groups and was more controllable than a UMP45, due to its lower cyclic rate and greater weight. I have long felt the grease gun did not get its just due
Why compare 2 guns that are 74 years old to a modern firearm seems better to compare the Kriss to an HK MP-5 or an AR15 9mm. The M3 was a cheap 20$ mass produced firearm with one goal fast mass production 700k were made.
The Kriss is by far the best SMG ever made because of the recoil mitigation system. The MP5 is a very good SMG as well. It is a lot cheaper than the Kriss because the design is more traditional. The MP40 was a great SMG that was far ahead of its time...
1- Kriss Super-V
2- MP5
3- MP40
then a pretty substantial gap to pretty much every other SMG
TheJudoJoker I have shot the MP-5 F/A nice long time ago
+TheJudoJoker there's not that big of a gap, because then you have the Uzi, Sterling, Owen, Carl Gustav m/45, PPSh-41
I have to agree. The Thompson is actually closer to 90 year old. It's kind of an apples and oranges comparison. If anything, I guess it shows that the technology has improved steadily over time.
+TheJudoJoker there are many other high quality smg
this makes no sense. why are they comparing this weapon with two other ones that are over 50 years old? shouldn't they be comparing this to the MP5 or UMP? I mean of course the modern gun is gonna win. its like taking a car from the 40s and having it race a car from today. kinda stupid when you think about it.
Ump recoil sucks as hell bro.
KINGAUSAR SHADOWBLADE I never said it didn't. but I don't know what that has to do with what I said. i'm simply saying it seems kinda ridiculous to take 1940s weaponry and compare them with todays, and see who the winner is. of course the modern weapon is gonna win.
Hennessy Blues my reaction exactly... oh well, at least they gave a good comparison between Thompson and the Grease gun. The KRISS was pointless to have there.
Hennessy Blues american .45 acp.
Hennessy Blues Well unlike cars, firearm technology has really only improved when it comes to ergonomics and materials in the last 50 years.
We still use the same exact bullets we did a half a century to a full century ago.
Firearms are considered a very mature technology and at this point it is hard to make legitimate improvements on them. (cars are also considered a mature technology but unlike firearms there have been significant power and handling improvements, not so with firearms)
Did you know that the modern looking AR15 was developed in 1958!!!!
Not so modern when you take into consideration how old the platform really is. The new stuff, is mostly ergonomic and material related with minor improvements to the ammunition.
Thanks Larry. Both of you ....official Grand Masters
The Thompson and Grease guns are iconic WW2 subguns. I own both and love them. I have never shot a Kriss but I have talked to people that have shot it and say it’s junk and unreliable. Plus it looks goofy you can keep the Kriss I will keep by Thompson and Grease gun.
I agree with you there
Me too
Great video awesome
Would be cool if you do a video comparing the Grease Gun, Sten, and the MP 3008 !
Why's Colonel Sanders selling a machinegun?
KFC - Kentucky Firearms Corp.
Great reload with the Thompson Larry...that was difficult made easy!
Why does everybody have to use that dorky over dramatic music in their videos?
tacticool
To Add Excitement without Spending Too Much Money on Music they'd have to Pay for Rights to Use
Man at arm
so they compared a Thompson sub machine gun to a Grease gun to a Kriss, a modern day weapon. You know my DPMS M4 out performs my International Harvester M1 Garand....... who'd a thought!
bad74maverick1 obviously it’s going to perform better. They are just showing how far these types of guns have advanced geez relax bro.
Quality contents !
The slow motion capture is amazing!
I still love the Thompson out of all of them.
9mm battle next? Mp40, mp5 and Evo Scorpion? Dooooooo iiiiiiit;)
I just fired the mp5 just a few days ago NO RECOIL, SPOT ON TARGET.
I would like to see the Owen gun and the Type 100, and a new SMG of your choice go head to head.
The question I have is how many greass guns could you make for the same cost as one Kirsss.
I'm guessing anywhere from 50 upwards
Every one I know who shot the Thompson next to the kriss super v back to back..always picked the Thompson….including myself. The video does not show how different these two guns feel when shooting them
My uncle carried an M1a1 Thompson in Europe when he was with the 101st Abn.
Still anxious to get my hands on the Gen2 .357sig conversion, there's just something about that round that rocks my socks doc.
What about the UMP45? Seems like that would be a more proper comparison.
It would be a more proper comparison but you can't make a plug for the civvy market with it. You want a UMP, you'll have to buy a kit for nearly 2k and then find someone with the tools and savvy to put it together for you. US citizens aren't oper8r enough for HK to sell to us.
Delta7525 isn't it similar with a kriss vector? thought they came with longer barrel and non-folding stock unless you jumped through similar hoops (I'm not familiar with the process, it's an actual question - not being a smartass)
You can buy the kriss as a pistol and attach the stock later or buy the rifle and have a smith chop the barrel for you. Getting the base gun is easy too. With a UMP you have to find a used one that's been chopped up and build a new receiver from scratch. I'm unsure as to whether or not you would also need to have a plastic welder like you do with G36 rebuilds.
Delta7525
HK treats german civilians even worse, although hunters here can own SBRs without any bullshit like a tax stamp, these fuckers don't offer any of their guns as SBR on the civilian market.
The KRISS Vector is an evolution from the Thompson SMG and Grease Gun. And it's obvious that the KRISS Vector will come out on top compared to the old work horses.
I shot a kriss full auto at a range and I can't stop thinking about it, I want to buy a factory sbr but it'll never have that 1000 rpm fun.
The Thompson the winner because it passed the test of Time!
The previous comment said it correctly , This comparison "Makes no sence" compareing two 70+ year old guns to a modern High tech plastic gun..... By the title , I thought one was comparing the Grease gun to the Thompson ...you might as well compare a WW1 Springfield to a modern 700 BDL rifle
Whats the dubstep song call at 3:05 i'm searching that for a loooong time
It's called Get Some by Taste.
following.
FittnessGLO- time bomb
What about the Owen?
Thanks to Vickers Tactical for running this 4 part series(I wish it had all been one part, but...). Definitely dug it. I am glad that it was ONLY .45 ACP. Mix in 9mm, or some of the more obscure rounds for a sub-gun would have ruined this review.
Jon K And now that I read a lot of the other comments, most are complaints about why this sub, or that sub, was not presented.... They are not .45! That's the whole point! The best of all sub-guns would be a different animal altogether, agreed?
should do a 9mm match up next, say mp40-mp5-evo3.
love these sub gun vids!!
M3 GM Guidelamp goodness!
Kriss Vector, quick reload=shooting fingers off. Cool Story, bro.
I have fired a 'Grease Gun and the Tommy Gun and to be frank, the Thompson is the only
one I can shoulder fast and hit with. I have not shot the KRISS but have shot
other compact guns like it and I can not hit the left side of a barn with them
because of how they shoulder, the short sight picture and how they fit me.
The Tommy Gun has it's issues. Myself, I own a 1927A1 semi auto
version and I would prefer it over either the grease gun or that KRISS Vector.
But that is just me and my personal preferences.
The Thompson is a heck of a lot more powerful then any of those 9mm carbines.
The Thompson does take a lot of getting used to and it is very heavy in
comparison to the other two he had in this video. In fact, it probably weighs
as much as both the other guns put together. But, it has virtually no recoil or climb
especially if it has a Cutts compensator at the end of the barrel like mine does.
Nice
I can seem to find any info on one thing: how long is the 30 round Thompson mag how long is an M3 Grease Gun mag?
SHOGUNnYAMATO Shogun the Thomson mag is 8.5 inches and the grease gun mag is10 inches but keep in mind the grease gun holds 5 more rounds.
Open bolt guns that have rear bolt hold open after mag is empty mechanism like the thompson have an advantage over closed bolt because you don't have to release the bolt to put a round into the chamber you can just put new mag in and fire.
I loved the thompson so much I decide to buy one yesterday
Fair warning, the comments section resembles people from various denominations arguing for their theological point of view!
1 second best in 100 years of defference.
3:05 music name please ?
I love the Thompson!
Please see :
Korth PRS Firing and Warning
Kriss should make a rate reducer to slow the gun down.
FINALLY, I found a vid of a lefty shooting and reloading a Kriss at speed. Good to see it's a possibility.
Considering the grease gun and Thompson were designed almost 100 years ago, I would HOPE the vector would perform better since they have had almost 10 decades of trial and error design advantages.
*cough cough* Thompson. How many Germans and Gangsters got it at the hand of a Thompson? Sure, it isn't the best gun in the world but it's not a bad gun by any stretch. Grease Gun is a classic. The Kriss is cool but this video showed that for all it's improvements that it supposedly has over older designs (Thompson is 90+ years old), it wasn't really any faster. Anyone with experience with a Thompson can load it all day long without problems. Might not be as reliable, but like I opened with: It was effective in it's day and deserves respect, not to be bashed when compared to modern technology.
I couldn't understand why they were so down on the Thompson from the start. In reality, the Thompson and Grease gun are both veterans and deserve equal respect. And the Kriss will probably be used in movies and video games more than it will ever be used in real life lol. We can't buy them in full auto as civilians, it's not practical in full auto for military or LE, and I wouldn't even consider one in semi auto. Basically, its a toy. I don't think it will be replacing any mp5 in anyone's arsenal.
Sedan57Chevy "How many Germans and Gangsters got it at the hand of a Thompson?" Comparatively few. Most gangsters got it in courts and then in the electric chair. Others rotted for years in prison and were wasted by rivals inside. Knives and pistols were far more common worktools for people in the 1920's mob. They were cheap and easy to hide. With a knife you could waste somebody quietly too and send a message too. Old-school "Guidos" (derigatory for Italians) carried knives with pride back in those days.
As for the Germans. Sigh. The M1 Garand was far more common than the Thompson so out of the Germans wasted by Americans the M1 easily dominated. Not that matters because 80% of all Germans bit the dust on the Eastern Front. They "got it" by Ppsh41's and Mosin-Nagants. A lot of them froze and starved to death too. You can check up German army historical sources like Feldgrau to verify.
That aside the Thompson was designed for WWI conditions and its drawbacks - namely its' cumbersome size became apparent in WWII when much of what had been learnt in the Spanish Civil War and the Finnish Winter War dictated designs.
As for its efficiency in its day. The German MP40 was very accurate, the Ppsh41 was fool-proof reliable and cheap to mass-produce and the Sten was cheap, very simply to produce, compact and accurate for a submachine gun. It may not have been the most reliabile weapon but tons of them very readily available so if one gave up you could easily replace it and had back-up from others wiedling the same weapon.
On a single weapon basis the Thompson *was* effective , but when one takes the price (they were expensive) and time (a luxury they didn't have at war) required to manufacture one its efficiency was clearly diminished. This is why the M3 "Grease Gun" was developed in the first place. Stamped parts, cheaper and faster. Better for paratroopers, tank crews and auxillary units to whom the Thompson was ungainly.
Come back once you have first hand experience firing a Thompson, as well as the rest of those guns you mentioned and then you can begin to make statements about what's "more accurate". Accuracy in terms of a fully automatic weapon is negligible. And while yes, the M1 Garand was a more wide-spread weapons, the Thompson was used not only in WW2 but also in Korea and Vietnam, both in the hands of US forces as well as those countries' military forces. As well as the other side using captured examples. The Thompson might not be a perfect gun (it is a bit heavy and cumbersome), but it did its job and I think that's what counts.
Wez Marauder It didn't get the nicknames "Chicago typewriter", "Chicago Piano", "Chicago Style", "Chicago Organ Grinder" for no reason lol. Not to mention you could order one to your front door from a Sears catalog.
the fucking man at arms theme with the vector tho 😂
mp40 would beat all of them including the kriss vector.
If you vo there I would rather have a 1941 Ppsh 71 round drum. 900 - 1200 rounds a min.
Why is the ROF do high on the Kriss? Couldn't they make it 900 rpm for more control?
aww, he sounds so sad at 2:36.
don't worry, hero - we'll get 'em next time.
these guys sure like goatees and clichés. (good video though. would like to see the grease gun vs. the sten too.)
This days action speaks louder than the words...
please take in part 4 an german one like an mp 40 :D
I Really Love All Three Guns But The M3 Grease Gun Is To Good👍👍🔥🔥🥰🥰😍😍😍😍😍😍😍
How many rounds in the Kriss?
and when we go to the store we purchase the Thompson mostly. You can get it with and without the wooden furtiture.
State of art KRISS Vector beat out WW2 era Grease Gun and Thompson. Wow, who would have ever guessed?
Calling a KRISS Vector state of the art is a bit of a stretch.....
The Kriss is amazing. It makes me want to move out of California. I know they make a semi auto but I want that burst/full auto.
Regardless of where you move you can't get the full auto version.
If I wanted to watch a Hong Kong martial arts movie, I'd go watch a Hong Kong martial arts movie. I really shouldn't be surprised, though: you aren't actually tactical if you've got to call yourself Tactical.
***** I stand by my assertion. Calling yourself tactical is "all hat, no steer".
+jabolyn He knows his shit for sure but that doesn't mean he's not talking crap. He WAS Delta. Now he's a paid actor.
@@Legitpenguins99 That's a fallacy if I've ever heard one.
they all good guns eve the 22 rifle if you know how to use them it all,
Hey Vickers, are you the guy who designed all the "Vickers custom" Glocks?
Do flintlock vs minigun
you could review some vz.26 (not ZB-26) MP-40, PPSh, and other guns from ww2 if you start running out of stuff or something. As for vz.26, some were captured in Syria along with MG-34s, quite hilarious where they picked up hose relics, or who sent them that equipment.
Ever heard of the owen submachine gun and sten submachine guns
What was the issue with the 2 round burst? Since I have no idea how you could make a gun do that, I imagined it would be difficult to do.
Not if the selector gave you the option ;-)
What I mean was that I have no idea how you could mechanically get a gun to fire twice. Full auto open bolt and closed bolt, and semi auto open bolt and closed bolt are all easy to do. But burst? How the hell do you even do that?
spraynpray theres a rotating circular notch system in 3 round burst guns i imagine its along the same lines. though knowing kriss its probably just magic lol
I imagine it can only be done mechanically in a method that I wouldn't personally consider reliable. I'll look it up later and then google complaints about it.
...does it reset if you have one round in the mag, ask for a 2 round burst, but it can only fire once? Does it fire again when you put in a new mag? My brain hurts.
spraynpray yeah, If it's hard for us to grasp this, imagine trying to invent the system! :P
It's pretty confusing but I'm sure there are plenty of resources to answer all your questions. Probably some good books about the internals of weapons too out there.
_Literally a LITERAL 'SubMachine Gun'_ ✓
I have no problem with this. It's pure entertainment. And even though the modern gun wins it's impressive how well the older guns did.
Very Interesting. Good Work. A comparison with a 45. HK UMP would also be interesting.
Wow a modern combat gun is better than two guns made in WW2. I learned so much.
How about the MPX
I do love the Grease gun.
the modern one is awesome weapon
the Thompson is heavy
not one of them i would use as home defense.
Popping steal I would have to choice the grease gun just for the simplicity of the piece.
Was still using the M-3a1 grease gun in the '70s. Bet no one remembers the KRISS in 30 years.
That's because the grease gun was dirty cheap to manufacture