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Atheist BLINDLY Believes Biblical Faith Is BLIND
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 พ.ค. 2020
- In today’s example, Atheist Quote Bot offers a definition of faith from atheist philosopher Peter Boghossian. The tweet simply reads: “Definition of Faith: Pretending to know things you don’t know.” This definition has two major problems. First, it isn’t biblical. That is, Boghossian’s definition of faith is not the Bible's definition. It's just the opposite. Biblically informed Christians define faith as trusting in what you have reason to believe is true.
Second, Boghossian's definition treats faith as a way of knowing-pretending to know things you don’t know. That’s another straw man. Christian faith is trust based on knowledge grounded in evidence. Each part of that sentence is important.
Sadly, many-like Atheist Quote Bot-will blindly believe Boghossian without looking into what Christianity actually teaches. Ironically, he just asserts his definition of faith without any evidence.
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In a recent Bible study class on the book of Hebrews, I gave this explanation of faith (WRT Heb. 11:1) :
Suppose that your son or daughter calls you for a ride home. He or she now has faith that you will come and pick him/her up. Why?
"Faith is the substance (underlying material) of things hoped for..." (Heb. 11:1) and Hope is a reasonable expectation of a positive future event.
Hope = Ride Home = Reasonably expected positive future event.
Faith underlies that hope: your child has faith that you will pick him up.
That faith is supported by knowledge -- Your Child knows you will pick her up because she knows you.
That knowledge is based on evidence: Past experience of your behavior ... and also on Relationship: As your child he or she can call on you when needed.
When your child says, "Dad's coming to pick me up" that is not a pretense of knowing what she doesn't know. It's faith in the unseen (your arrival) based on what he knows (that you have always picked him up before). Your child walks by faith and not by sight.
Hey, I'm just reading this now. This is a REALLY helpful illustration. Thanks for sharing.
@@RedPenLogic Feel free to use it.
Wonderful illustration.
Brilliant!
As I was watching this video, I was thinking about how a wife may have faith that her husband would pick her up from church and I was thinking exactly along these lines. The child is a much clearer and more meaningful way to illustrate this idea. Neeto.
Underrated channel. great content
it literally just started a month ago. 3 videos, 5k+ subs lol
Overrated channel. Poor content.
@@nonprogrediestregredi1711 What channels would you consider good content?
@@mike_AD Lol, yes. Great content but I wouldn't call it underrated
@@PracticalFaith haha no me neither, thats my point. i think its growing faster than any christian channel ive ever seen lol idk how you can call it "underrated"
There is something to be said when a single sentence gets so much wrong you can make an entire video correcting it. Well done, these are awesome.
There is something to be said when one avoids any serious, substantive arguments and instead focus on the snarkiest atheist quote they can find so they can dish on IT with their theist buddies.
@@NeoDemocedes I take it you haven't noticed that these videos are meant to be short and snarky, not heavy duty rebuttals. In short, the problem here is not that Barnet is incompetent; it's that you could not have missed the point any harder had you been aiming in the opposite direction.
@@Ap31920 I see, fight snarky with snarky. That's what makes them 'awesome'. Who wants to hear substantive arguments anyway? Probably better to just to pretend they don't exist.
@@NeoDemocedes As I said before, you could not possibly have missed the point any worse if you had aimed in the opposite direction.
This is a short channel that picks apart quick and easy arguments. Considering the atheist in question thought his sentence was worth publishing in a book and atheist quote bot thought it was worth repeating there's nothing wrong with taking the five minutes to refute it.
If you want more meat, this channel is linked to str, likely as a channel to advertise, which if you'd done the basic research of clicking on the channel and going to it's about page, you would know. If you're looking for more sophisticated content go to channels that do debates or lengthy proofs, I'd recommend Inspiring Philosophy, you might have to dig a bit but a channel formerly known as Pixel and Papyrus will also provide some nice content.
To conclude, go to channels that meet your desires instead of wasting my and everyone's time whining that this channel does not cater to you. He's here to entertain and he does exactly that perfectly well.
@@NeoDemocedes here's a video from the channel I mentioned, now titled Ben S.
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You could have just let entertainers entertain, you know.
That was my Philosophy professor last year. Great guy had some good debates with him.
Concise and Precise: Definitive, indeed. Outstanding reasoning. Press on. Thanks!
Thanks for the encouragement.
“It should’ve been called a manual for creating atheists who create strawmen” *Budum-tiss*
We liked that too.
@@RedPenLogic the more evidence you have the less Faith you need. You guys try to eliminate Faith all together.
@@RedPenLogic sounds like you want to believe in things that have evidence not things that don't. Wow that's common to man.
@@RedPenLogic wow so you have all the evidence in the world. You don't need Faith at all.
@@RedPenLogic Right don't have faith in faith. Great lesson. You're a genius you should change your name to Super Genius.
A child has faith that his parent will feed him breakfast every morning.
There is no absolute certainty that the parent will do it each morning, but based on what the parent has done in the past, the child has reasonable faith in the parent.
i like your description.. i was trying to type something like what you said, but i couldn't get the words.
He invented roasting people honestly!!! 😂😂
You haven't seen Jesus talking to the pharisees di you💀💀💀
Some atheist needs to explain to me why the term "blind faith" exists if the term "faith" is not a belief based on evidence in the first place. Dr. Lennox pulled a fast one on Dr. Dawkins in debate when he asked if Dr. Dawkins had faith in his wife and whether she did anything to warrant that faith.
his wife exist, god doesn't.
@@tonyfrancisco370 both exist
@@tonyfrancisco370
Jesus was standing in my room and saved me by literally touching my heart. I was saved from depression, porn and alcohol addiction in 3 seconds. That’s my testimony to you.
Its all real.
I'm sure Dawkins has a goid reason to believe his wife exists as he has seen her everyday, felt her in his arms, heard her voice and directly communicated with her for years. Can't really get evidence more solid than that.
On the other hand, when it comes to God, the evidence is 'someone wrote it in a book 2000 years ago'. We don't see, feel or hear God, all we see is supposedly the effects of God, which are inconsistent with an all powerful, all loving, supreme creator and the only explanation we get for that is 'mysterious ways'.
Furthermore, there is a mountain of evidence that is not consistent with the book, so much so that in order to keep believing, most Christians had to consider the entirety of Genesis as a metaphor.
Don't kid yourself, your faith is NOT based on evidence. You're mentally twisting yourself into a pretzel in order to still believe and THAT is what blind faith is.
@@Esico6 Did you offer him a beer?
"If you want to critique another's view, you have to critique their view, and not your own distortion of their view." YES!!! YES!!! YES!!! People misunderstand this all the time!!!!! Subscribed.
These videos are hilariously appealing, and excellent teaching tools! You've created a nice niche for yourself, Tim. Well done! 👍👏👌
Glad you like them, Patti!
It begins with hope, grows into faith, and in time becomes knowledge. Such a beautiful process.
For me it is just the opposite. I learn, have faith in what I learned, and that in turn gives me hope.
How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Romans 10:14,17
TBH this is one of the most underrated channels i have come across. that last part was savage( although i picked that out from his commentary on my own.) It's great to see others that can so easily see through the lies and deception of atheists today. Keep up the production of similar videos good sir!
Dude! You are awesome! Keep these coming please! I've been confused about FAITH for a while now and your definition instantly clarified it for me. NOW it makes sense. Thank you!!
The other thing about faith, is that it is a living action in your life. Faith is not just belief, faith is acting out a living relationship with God. To have faith means to engage in all of the activities that Christians are called to.
Love your content, really think it deserves to get some serious traction and views!
his first video has 12k views. i say not bad at all.
@@jacobellinger8027 let's share it and make it 120k+ views per video :)
@@carnivorebear6582 That would be AWESOME!
AGREED! I LOVE channels like these, that expose the fallacies of popular Atheist claims!
I am honestly learning a lot. Love this channel! I am also so exposed in atheistic views since most of my friends were one, when we talk about God, they would keep on throwing me such arguments that even if I know that it is not logical in the right way , I find it hard to form words to debunk them. This helps me fix my arguments in a logical and knowledgeable way. Thank you sir!
This guy is amazing, may God continue to bless this Channel and him and his family.
Mike Winger sent me here, thanks bro! God bless 😇🙏
We LOVE Mike!
I LOVE Mike Winger's highly educational content!
Here before 1 000 000 views!
We have a ways to go :)
Beautiful, Tim. This is truly excellent work on your part.
Thanks John!
As a christian I'm happy to see there's a channels like this. I wish I knew channels like this when I was younger.
*"And Jesus said, “For judgment I have come into this world, that those who do not see spiritually, may be given spiritual eyes to see, and that those who see naturally may be made blind.”.....John chapter 9 nkjv amplified*
I listened to your chat with Greg Koukl and decided to check this out. Glad I did. Good job!
Beautifully broken down! Mr.B, where were you all this while! 😀
From the looks of his old pictures on Facebook, he was rap battling on the 8 Mile.
@@ThePettiestOfficer_Juan117 LOL. Note to self: Don't drink coffee while reading comments. Now I have a mess to clean up.
Excellent, sir. Great analysis of the logical errors of the tweeted claim. (Incidentally, I'm one of those philosophy nerds. So these videos are like small amounts of helpful, non-mind-altering, crack.)
Philosophy nerds . . . ASSEMBLE!
Love this channel, amazing videos brother
Well done. I regularly watch youtube atheists and read their books for the same reason political conservatives ought to listen to NPR. I want to know the nuances of an incorrect world view in order to better free individuals from attachment to that view. I’ve been perplexed at how very popular and respected atheists have so many logical fallacies. Your videos do a great job of concisely and accessibly pointing out the fallacies with good humor and charm. Subscribed.
Well said, agreed, I do the same. Most Christians should.
Known thine enemy, as it were. The only way to truly confront or debunk the beliefs of others is to actually know what they think and even why they think it. That was my brother's reasoning for buying a copy of the Quran when he found out he was being deployed to Iraq & Afghanistan.
Keep up the great work. Most apologists don't point out the atheistic incoherence enough, all to often they except their faulty premises and debate from there.
I wish I were one being in three persons so all three of me could subscribe.
But seriously, love this channel.
Then create THREE Youtbe accounts, and then you (the one being) can use all three to subscribe! Just kidding.
You are body, soul(mind, will and intellect) and an eternal spirit made in the image of GOD. YET YOU ARE ONE BEING. GOD is Father, Son and Holy Spirit , yet ONE ALMIGHTY LORD GOD. YHWH
Atheists define the Christian faith as this: "Belief without evidence".
But I'm trying to understand how they can say that there isn't enough evidence to warrant belief in God, yet they define faith as what I stated above.
Good point!
What kind of evidence do you have? Please share.
Don't ask Red Pen. He says the gospel of John are eyewitness accounts. This can only be described as a lie.
S Gloobal That appears to be all from the New Testament. How do you know that’s reliable evidence?
S Gloobal Depends on the definition. I don’t believe god does or doesn’t exist. Have no position on that. So going by the definition of, ‘an atheist is someone who believes god doesn’t exist’, no I am not an atheist, but I’m also not a theist either.
Sharp and insightful content that's neatly executed 👍👍. Looking forward to watching some more.
Very underrated channel
Faith, by its definition, cannot be blind. For it to be exercised, it has to have some knowledge.
Yep.
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And I thought atheists were free thinkers.
Some are, some aren't. What is your point?
What on earth made you think that?!
@@rembrandt972ify because they always tell me that.
@@psalm1197 that's what they tell me.
Uncle Jesse well technically, TECHNICALLY, we are all "free" to think what we want....but only as far as the sin nature dictates. An atheist wouldn't buy that though!
I've got Boghossian's book, and it was honestly hard not to burst out laughing every time I read his definition of faith. Is he honestly saying that every single religious person on the planet knows deep down that what we say we believe is nonsense, and we're just pretending? Or does he not know what the word "pretend" means? In any event, this video is an excellent response to what can only be described as nonsense.
This channel is gold. Can’t wait for more videos🙏
On the way.
Hebrews 11:1-3 Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen. (2) For by it men of old gained approval (3) By faith we understand that the worlds were prepared by the word of God, so that what is seen was not made out things which are visible. I think the 3rd line is pretty profound. What is seen is not made of what is visible? Discribes atomic structure? 2 Peter 3:10 &12 the elements will melt with fervent heat
"If there was no God, there would be no atheists" C.K. Chesterton
First off, subbed. Second? It drives me a bit nuts when not just atheists, but some Christians still insist that faith has to be blind and that it's a sign of strength to do so. It seems that how we have faith in friends and family doesn't seem to connect for some people. Obviously, we don't just blindly have faith in our friends and family without some kind of evidence or reason, or whatever it is that's required. But it also doesn't help that the Google and other online dictionary supports the false definition.
The way I always think of faith is I have faith that my chair will hold my weight, due to the knowledge that it was designed to hold my weight, and the evidence that it has held my weight previously.
So Christians have faith that their God is real for what reasons then? There is no proof of his existence, there are no demonstrable things that would be unable to be done by anyone else that lead back to God and there is no evidence that he exists
Since when has faith ever been determined be a reliable path to truth? All 4,000 brands of world religions claim faith. Which method or mechanism did you use to determine the "Christian" brand to be correct and true above all other 3,999 brands? No religion, not even Christianity, has any definitive facts to prove any of their claims.
faith is not path to truth...and no one said that. Stop strawmanning. If your brother promises you that he will come to your birthday... is your faith in his word just baseless ignorance? is it you pretending to know something that you dont? ofc not.
Method we Christians used is examining of evidence be it historical, psychological or scientific while contemplating philosophy and theology. This method is used by everyone to determine which spirituality or religiosity is true.
quite simple
I trust Christian Jesuits who fought foot binding, Indian slaving, Sati practising, truth seeking people.
I trust the determination of Crusaders who left their riches to fight an invading and merciless opponent who was destroying everything relating to Christianity.
I trust in miracles like Joan of Arc's, Francis of Assisi's, Mother Theresa's journeys.
That's why I am a Christian and many many other reasons.
Doesn’t that mean you trust in human beings? Shouldn’t your faith be rooted in God? After all, the Crusaders did much harm. They killed Jews and Christians on top of Muslims because they couldn’t tell the difference (not saying I think it’s ok to kill Muslims who aren’t soldiers).
@@gigahorse1475 you make a good point ... All people ,no matter how great we are , are not worthy to even untie our lord's sandals , thats who we need to put our trust in
If your trust reaches no further than these, then a Christian is not what you are.
God? Jesus Christ? The Word?Just asking.🤔🤔🤔
Hey you're all right about it's wrong to believe in people and not Christ. But the point I wanted to make was that beside my love for Jesus and God I love my Christian history and want to be apart of it.
Hello from Chile, keep up the good work, i have FAITH that the Lord will use you greatly!! God bless you!
I've also heard it put this way, "Faith is not the opposite of doubt, it's the opposite of Control."
As an agnostic person, I can tell only one thing that, I won't believe in God unless I lay my eyes on him, or he appears in front of me, to speak with me. I won't believe in anything that's written in these "old" scriptures.
But you believe other historical accounts just not the Bible.
@@flavorgod, no I don't.
You should rephrase your statement to 'I won't believe in any God or magical being...' There's literally thousands of them that people worship across the world, including some yet to be invented. Just a thought.
@@thatguywhocallsmebill5797, yeah many will be invented, maybe 100 years or 200 years later we might see arnold and ronnie Coleman being worshipped as gods of strength and muscle, or even bruce lee might be worshipped as God of martial arts ( he's already worshipped too much). All future gods might be modeled after today's celebrities. That's what we Indians made out of Lord krishna too, he was a very clever king of his time ( approximately during the iron age) with knowledge in politics and war strategies, but now he's worshipped as a God in our country, and I bet the offsprings from the lineage of people who hated him in his time now bow their heads in front of his temple, such is his influence.
@@mr.nobody7258 I think you might be right. Celebrity has been a big deal for a while now. Interesting about Krishna being worshipped as a Deity now, having been a King in the past. Take care my friend and thanks for keeping it real.
Love Tim Barnett! Also love that he used his wifes sleeping mask inside out! Such a husband thing to do..haha!
Guilty as charged.
@@RedPenLogic I've showed lots of those in my church your Gostacle videos and the Fine tuning video you created. Those are top notch. You and Greg and others at STR set me straight at a time in my life where I wasn't sure what to believe. I thank you for that!
My church Dwell Community church, fromerly Xenos Christian fellowship does a summer institute where they invite christian leaders to come speak. I'd love for you/STR to be represented some day. We would be incredibly edified.
That’s great! If you go to STR.org, there is a link on there to book a speaker. Hopefully this lockdown ends in Canada and I’m able to start traveling again.
Love the way he tore that tweet apart and fed it back to em 🔥😭
I wish I could represent like this 🔥😢
So many people do this!! They try to change the definition of words to suit their own agenda in arguments. Like little kids changing the rules in already established games lol.
I'm so early I don't see any other comments.
You win! Now there are over 300 comments.
So respond to a perceived strawman make a strawman of the others position then give verses unrelated to biblical definition. Also then misunderstand strawman by claiming that giving a definition of blind faith means the person is describing your subjective definition of faith. So ya bad video look up some definitions and when making the biblical defiinition use the actual passages related to faith.
The word for faith is the original text is 'Pistis' please go look up Pistis instead of defending a strawman.
Wooow God bless you guys!
Some people, even some Christians I’ve met, advocate blind faith. (I’m a Christian.)
Mark Twain once said, “Faith is believing what you know ain’t so.” I can’t agree with Twain but it’s a popular idea.
The scriptures go against this quite clearly. "Prove all things" as it says.
Samuel Bishop
Usually, when Christ rebuked the disciples for their lack of faith, they had already witnessed Him doing miracles.
Still, after the resurrection they had a tough time believing He had risen from the dead.
In their hesitation, they were reminded of what He had done.
I aM An aThEiSt DeBaTe Me
Nah you just get some love ❤️ 😎
Dropping this here so I can follow this thread 🍿😊
@@HuStLeBuniiie me too
"The universe and the life contained within it bear all the hallmarks of intent thereby validating the consideration of an intentional causal impetus, defined as God, who is worthy of contemplation and worship there from."
Prove me wrong??
Let the game begin.
Fighting a straw man by creating another straw man. The right thing to do is to use the dictionary definition of faith.
Just to be clear on what your saying, you think the right thing to do, is use the present definition (defined in a dictionary from today) of a greek word from nearly 2000 years ago?
Tearren , yes, I don’t see a problem with that. We do it all the time. If we talk medicine people will assume the modern definition, not the ancient one. The most important thing though, when debating, is to agree on the terminology. Discussing faith when you don’t agree what it is is rather pointless.
P.S. faith is not of Greek origin as far as I know.
BibleTalk101 , yes I did. However after rewatching I don’t think Dr. B’s tweet qualify as a straw man. He is simply saying “This is what I think faith is.” A straw man would be if A said “We must have faith” and B said “So you think we should follow blindly and not question”? But that’s is not what Dr B is doing here.
BibleTalk101 , for your second paragraph about my second sentence you lost me. How am I creating a straw man? I’m just saying claiming that it would be reasonable to use dictionary definitions when debating (as long as you don’t agree on another definition).
Technically. We see events, we test them and find evidence, this evidence creates our knowledge and this knowledge is what we trust.
I agree with your words sir. Also the way he argues is wrong.
One of the greatest refutations ever! Keep up the good work! If you ever want to have a podcast on my channel sometime just let me know, I believe I have some dates open in June.
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Imagine mocking rational thought and acceptance of reality.
@@TheInevitron I know, right? You online atheists are crazy...
@@ethanm.2411 Yes, believing insane magical nonsense wholly unsupported by evidence is rational. You're very clever. I'm sure your magical friend is so, so proud of you!
@@TheInevitron Define believing. Define magical. Define insane. Define evidence. Define knowledge. Define sure. Define you.
Define a universe where the rational intelligibility of the said universe is possible by beings not intelligently designed but rather were produced randomly. Also, explain how a universe without a mind behind it produces information when information and randomness are literal opposites. Do you believe what you think and say are truly random?
Perhaps you don't realize all the baggage by means of presuppositions you bring to a conversation with theists. Given our worldview, the exchanging of ideas is possible. On your worldview, nothing is possible, yet here we are. I would say, since God is axiomatic, every single time you think, you become hypocritical. Romans 1:18-22
But if you want to keep up with the "MaGiK SkY DadDy" and "nO eViDeNcE", go ahead. You're just affirming what we already believe...that a fool says there is no God and you must suppress plain truth to maintain your own vain imaginations.
"It's not that I believe God doesn't exist, it's just that I don't believe he does exist."
"It's not that I'm broke, it's just that I don't have any money."
Those are just positive and negative ways of communicating the same thing. Pretending there is a difference between the two is inane, and literally the stuff of comedy.
You create a jolly good straw man of your own, by changing the topic from faith to Christian faith.
Ah, is faith as defined by Boghossian Atheist faith then?
Hmm… I definitely wouldn’t want to be an atheist then…
Pleasant sabbath brother. I love your work. Keep it up. God bless you!
Totally with you on this. Shows how important it is for Christians to understand their core terms Biblically, rather than believe the atheist propaganda version, too
Excellent response to this popular atheist jargon. However, I would add that 'faith' is a way of knowing as well, in a sense. This is what Alvin Plantinga's book 'Warranted Christian Belief' (chapter 8) is all about: we have a cognitive faculty called faith, which was repaired by the internal instigation of the Holy Spirit upon regeneration. By the way, Plantinga is an epistemologist.
Still, I admit Plantinga's usage of 'faith' there is a rather epistemologically technical term; the layman's usage of faith has more to do with trusting rather than knowing.
Hebrews 11:1 “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.”
Great video. I look forward to seeing more.
Thank you.
As defined by Johann Gerhard (A great 17th century Lutheran theologian) faith is composed of three parts: knowledge, assent, and trust.
That was great. I really enjoy these. Please keep going.
Roger that!
You've got a great thing going and will be huge in a matter months :)
He DESERVES it, for all the work he puts into these concise and culturally relevant videos!
Excellent video! I just have trouble thinking on my feet and wish I could think of all of this when debating atheists in person. God, please grant me this knowledge!!
The only atheist apologist I’ve seen who does not seem driven by the (egomaniacal) belief that others operate off of blind faith is Australian philosopher Graham Oppy. Only a fool would think blind faith is even something that is humanly possible.
Faith has two definitions.
Faith-
1. complete trust or confidence in someone or something.
2. strong belief in God or in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual apprehension rather than proof.
This is what it means if you're speaking English. Biblical definition? Wouldn't you have to go back to the Hebrew bible and study the Etymology. You may say signs = miracles but what is stopping another from saying signs = teaching? Or Works = his actual works?
_Christian Faith_ was an example used to define number 2 in the Oxford English dictionary. Because faith does not require proof. Per the definition.
Great video tho! Love the visuals!
As I understand it, many naturally associate the word «faith» with something vague, not really trustworthy. (Like, «I believe that it will be quite nice weather the afternoon 57 days from today.» - at the best enthusiasticly hopefull, in other words.)
Why naturally? If I’m not very wrong - because that’s the common understanding of that word - in english, and also other languages. And people think in their language. Other people think according the language they have. People think slightly/ more or less different in different languages.
When translating from what ever language to another language : that a word have a spesific meaning in one language (like english) is not the same as that the word it was translated from have that exact meaning in the original language (like greek).
Words seldom if ever overlap 100% from language to language. …You very well risk getting something that doesn’t belong, and miss something that you don’t have, ‘cause the words doesn’t contain exactly the same in all it’s details. Like putting the left hand on top of the right; the thumbs stick out here and there in different directions, and the fingers doesn’t have exactly the same lenght to the one above/under. And a finger or two might be missing. ( -Glad it’s just an illustration!)
I find the biblical definition of «faith» very interesting. When diving deep in Hebrews 11:1, this is what I find:
«Faith is the assured expectation of what is hoped for, the evident demonstration of realities that are not seen.»
- New world - translation. (Study Edition, 1984)
And the footnotes says:
”Assured expectation.” Lit., “a sub-standing.” Gr., hy·poʹsta·sis; Lat., sub·stanʹti·a.
“Evident demonstration.” Or, “convincing evidence.” Gr., eʹleg·khos; Lat., ar·gu·menʹtum. Compare Joh 16:8 ftn.
[-and in John 16:8 it says: «And when that one comes, he will give the world convincing evidence concerning sin and concerning righteousness and concerning judgment:»
-Footnote to this verse: ”Will give . . . convincing evidence.” Or, “will reprove.” Gr., e·legʹxei.»]
Of realites. Lit., “of things.” Gr., prag·maʹton.
In other words. As I understand it, these original biblical words, later translated to english - what it is about is having exellent, pragmatic, logical evidence-based, provable reasons so you can really trust something with substance.
After all, the bible uses the phrase «epignosis» = «exact, accurate, or full knowledge» many times. This might be new info for some, but the bible have said it all the time.
Since the bible wasn’t written in english, it doesn’t really matter what some (or most) people assosiate with the English word «faith», like something vague. But they are free to believe what they want; atheists are strong believers ;)
- Nice video, by the way! :)
As an atheist, I am willing to argue a point based on definitions that are acceptable to both sides of an argument. I haven’t read Dr. Boghossian’s book so I don’t know the context of the definition of faith as quoted in this video, or if it’s even in that book. This video only quotes something posted somewhere that claims to have quoted a book. Taken alone, it sounds argumentative. So if I’m going to be discussing the meaning of faith with a Christian, I wouldn’t be using that quote to defend my position. I would stick with the dictionary definition of faith which is essentially, the belief in something without proof or evidence. I would hope that my interlocutor would agree to stick with accepted definitions. I won’t use this quote as long as my interlocutor agrees to not expect me to accept Bible definitions of faith.
I don’t believe that the Bible is the word of a god. I don’t believe in ghosts, holy or otherwise and I don’t believe in the resurrection narrative. I don’t believe that some dude named Saul ever saw a risen Jesus while on the road to Damascus. I believe that he was an opportunist who became a con-artist. Most biblical scholars agree that without Paul, early Christianity disappears into obscurity.
So if you’re a Christian trying to witness your faith to me, let me assure you that I do not accept Bible quotes as evidence. You’ll have to bring something more tangible. Thanks for listening.
As Christians we have HOPE too; not worldly hope, but Spiritual 'Hope" as well, where redemption is concern. Romans 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
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So, he says "Faith is trusting in what you have reason to believe is true" and "Christian faith is trust based on knowledge grounded in evidence". This surprised me because it's the complete opposite of what I've come to understand from Christians that I've discussed this with. I've always thought that a scientific fact is based on evidence, whereas faith is a belief held despite the lack of evidence. All Christians that I've discussed this with tell me that they have NO evidence that God exists, but that they have faith that he does.
you ether didnt discuss with christians anything and are lying or discussed once of few times with some really ignorant christians.
Evidence is present in both science and religious belief, they arent defined by presence of absence of evidence. There are different types of evidence and scientific knowledge is different from philosophical knowledge and so is different from spiritual/religious knowledge.
Evidence for god is plenty and evidence for christianity is plenty...thats why christians exist
@@KolyaUrtz There is absolutely no evidence for the existence of God. If there were, I would not be an atheist.
Many religious people claim that such evidence exists, but their arguments always contain flaws, for example quoting the Bible to prove that the Bible is true or referring to the existence of the universe or animals as evidence of a divine maker etc. Read any serious book on philosophy and you'll see how such arguments all collapse under scrutiny.
As for evidence to Christianity - why single out Christianity? Why not pick one of the other main religions? I'll tell you why. It's got nothing to do with whether Christianity is the one true religion; it's because you were raised as a Christian. Had you been born in Afghanistan, you would have been a Muslim, believing that Islam is the one true religion and that Christianity is rubbish. Think about it - the truth seems to depend on where you were born. Then think about it again - the truth should be independent of who or what you are.
Short, sweet, and to the point!
Thank you for walking in The Spirit and be able teach us these things. Eye opener. Heart opener. New subscriber
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Good job once again, Tim! Thanks.
Thanks guys!
1:30 - whoah whoah, you are very close to the line to Orthodox Catholicism… and I like it :)
This was so good!
Great content.
Love from Nigeria 🇳🇬 Great work, Tim; you keep giving atheists the black eye, it’s what they deserve.
I see a copy of Systematic Theology by Grudem back there...oh how I love that book! So handy!! We've got 2 at home since my hubby and I met at Bible School 😋🤣
Other religions have faith too. If an atheist criticise faith, it would be the faith of all religions. You can’t expect that to match perfectly with your personal interpretation of faith. Merriam W lists about 7 meanings of faith:
allegiance to duty or a person
sincerity of intentions (in good faith)
belief and trust in and loyalty to God
firm belief in something for which there is no proof
complete trust
without question (took everything he said on faith)
Another great video. I can’t wait until the next one
Stay tuned.
Me TOO Marcia! I just found him recently, and I'm already HOOKED (in a good way).
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Well said, with proper logic. But can someone provide me with this "reliable evidence" that he mentioned?
I would preface this by saying there is never going to be 100% certainty brought by the evidence. Despite being a follower of Christ for basically my whole life, I allow room for doubt. It's healthy, and asking questions is healthy too. I would reason that we have enough evidence that one can reasonably infer the existence of God and the divinity of Christ, but could we ever be 100% thorough and definitive? Likely not.
Anyway, as far as evidences, I suggest William Lane Craig's "On Guard." An in-depth, layman's guide to basic defenses of belief both in God and in Jesus Christ. Less evidences, per se, and more arguments for inferring God's existence. I find Dr. Craig's work as a Philosopher stands out more than anything else. His arguments are logically airtight and I have rarely seen anyone dismantle them.
If you want specific reading about the historical evidence and reliability of the Synoptic Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke) and the events therein - I recommend the book "The Jesus Legend" by Gregory A. Boyd and Paul Eddy. Fairly compelling read detailing historical tests historians normally ascribe to ancient documents. Historian Colin Hemer also wrote quite a good read on the book of Acts called "The Book of Acts in the Setting of Hellenistic History." Acts is an incredibly detailed historical document.
Now, that's about all I can really share with you because I don't want to type a novel. Perhaps since posting this comment you already looked, but still wanted to share in case.
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Well said sir!
Very good videos.
The thing that baffles me most about Atheists is that, in order for their views to be considered true, they need a foundation that is undisputed.
A lot of them base their foundations on science, but the Nobel price was recently won for proving quantum entanglement, which demonstrates that the entire scientific foundation we have relied upon for thousands of years is actually not true at all.
There is also a concept in mathematics, developed by Kurt Godel, which shows that there are true statements that cannot be proven.
Most atheists don't even know about the intricacies of their own belief system, yet they criticize other belief systems.
it's really a spectacle to behold.
Really great content, also very well explained, on that point. Loving the Chunnel mate, keep at it.
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Wow, so simple yet so powerful.