Atheist: “I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do.” Theist: “I contend that we are both theists. I just believe in one more God than you do.”
(Job 38:4) “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the [a]line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? AMEN!
Saw this one the other day: Atheist: “I’m an atheist and I just lack belief in the existence of God.” Theist: “Fine! I’m a theist and I just lack belief in the nonexistence of God.”
Mark atheist who aren’t atheist because they believe in “lack belief: I don’t think therefore God does not exist!. Theist: I think and use my mind, therefore God exist.
Judging by the tweet, its such a weak statement and just makes an observation by removing the difference and finding the commonality of both atheist and theist
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I'm an atheist and I love God with all my heart, mind, and strength, and I confess Jesus is Lord and believe in my heart that God raised Jesus from the dead! 🥰
Atheists: "we're all atheists, some of us just go one God further." Me: "We're all theists. I believe God exists in reality, and you believe God exists in the imagination. So we're all theists, some of us just go one realm further. 😉" Atheists: 🤯..............
@@memebaltan are you saying that as an atheist or are you saying that as a christian? If you're an atheist, so what if it's a fact or not? What does it prove? Does approve that atheism is a more rational position to take? Does approve that Christianity is false? What is the point of making that analogy? That's the point I'm making. It's just a fancy statement that atheists say to make disbelief or a lack of belief a more rational position to take. But disbelief or lack of belief are not positions, they're simply attitudes toward a particular claim. If you're saying all this as a Christian, you're probably appealing to the scripture that says that the fool says in his heart that there is no God. Unfortunately that scripture doesn't prove that even atheists believe in God.
This "challenge" to theism is one of the most on-its-face ridiculous, cant-believe-you're-serious atheist "challenge". I'm astounded how many popular, big names in atheism use it.
Its because there is no explanation, and no argument for atheism haha. They grab at whatever pops up and try to pull one over on us (but really God because those who are born again have the Holy Spirit) I think it is funny though!
It's so popular because the first time you hear it you get so dumbfounded that you don't even know what to say, and that appeals to the "got you!" generation.
It's not supposed to be an argument for atheism. Obviously it doesn't make a point for atheism. It is however supposed to raise a question. Namingly what is the reason for why you know the other gods is wrong. And why doesn't that reason apply to your god.
That's because a lot of big names for atheism AREN'T trained philosophers who actually know how to think. Most of them are either scientists talking about areas outside their expertise (Richard Dawkins' only published scientific work is on wasp evolution) or they are professional atheists. They don't DO anything except be atheists for money.
(Job 38:4) “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the [a]line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? AMEN!
Well... Actually... I will say, as a Christian historian, that when the Church first started (Roman Empire, 1st century A.D.) Christians WERE accused of being atheists!! Because the Empire grew with synchretism- basically as the empire expanded, more gods were added, everyone was allowed to worship their gods, so long as they also worshipped the Roman gods and eventually the emperor. When Christians didn't do this (they wouldn't light incense to the emperor or worship other deities) they were called Atheists. The Jews were understood to be an exception since they had a long history of being monotheistic but the Christians were often recent converts and didn't have this history or tradition. I hope that was interesting for some people!
This is interesting. I'm curious what the first-hand sources are for this. Not to challenge you, I'm just curious. If I used this fact going forward I wouldn't be able to say "some historian on the internet told me". lol
@@robo- Not exactly - but that's because the concept of atheism that we have today would have been unthinkable for the ancients. To conceive of a world that had no creator was ludicrous - and highly disruptive to the natural order. For example consider Socrates, who was thought to have suggested/taught there were/are no gods. Look what happened to him!
@@SeraphsWitness haha I just saw your comment. It's a really good one, I dislike when people make claims without supporting them with the ancient texts. Unfortunately I'm currently in the process of moving house so a bit busy but just off the top of my head, you should be able to find some claims surrounding this topic from Athenagoras and in records of the martyrdom of Polycarp. Eventually I'd like to start my own TH-cam channel covering topics like this! History from a Christian perspective.
I do think this meme is very important for many reasons. Firstly, it conveys the feeling of being an Atheist to a Christian. The Christians continuously say (just as you said in this video) that Atheists believe that there is no god. but I think the default atheist position is we just lack the belief in god. And this difference can only be expressed to a Christian when he thinks about some god other than yaweh. For example,, do you ACTIVELY disbelief in Thor the god of thunder? Of course not! The idea seems so ridiculous that you basically discard it. Secondly, this meme is used to question the Christians why they don't believe in Allah or Krishna or Thor. I do agree with you that all gods are not equally ridiculous. For example, I have never read either the old testament or the new testament but I heard that the god of the old testament was particularly awful. Nevertheless, when we atheists are saying that you are an atheist to most of the gods of human history, from the cavemen age to the modern age, what we are trying to say is don't just believe in the god you were brought up to believe. Think about the reasons you don't believe all of the other gods and then see if someone can use a similar line of reasoning to not believe in your particular god. Of course, a Christian is not actually an Atheist, Richard Dawkins clearly said that you are an atheist when it comes to these particular gods, that doesn't mean you actually are an Atheist.
Oh. My goodness. I absolutely love this channel. Just found you maybe 20 minutes ago and I am a huge fan. Can't wait to watch the rest of yiur videos!!
As Dr. William Lane Craig also points out, this little rhetorical quip is designed to make atheism sound far less extreme than it is. In reality, monotheism and atheism are very different.
I do think this meme is very important for many reasons. Firstly, it conveys the feeling of being an Atheist to a Christian. The Christians continuously say (just as you said in this video) that Atheists believe that there is no god. but I think the default atheist position is we just lack the belief in god. And this difference can only be expressed to a Christian when he thinks about some god other than yaweh. For example,, do you ACTIVELY disbelief in Thor the god of thunder? Of course not! The idea seems so ridiculous that you basically discard it. Secondly, this meme is used to question the Christians why they don't believe in Allah or Krishna or Thor. I do agree with you that all gods are not equally ridiculous. For example, I have never read either the old testament or the new testament but I heard that the god of the old testament was particularly awful. Nevertheless, when we atheists are saying that you are an atheist to most of the gods of human history, from the cavemen age to the modern age, what we are trying to say is don't just believe in the god you were brought up to believe. Think about the reasons you don't believe all of the other gods and then see if someone can use a similar line of reasoning to not believe in your particular god. Of course, a Christian is not actually an Atheist, Richard Dawkins clearly said that you are an atheist when it comes to these particular gods, that doesn't mean you actually are an Atheist.
@@Kaiwizz Think about your mother. Do you actively disbelief that every other woman is your mother? or you just don't consider the possibility. The next time you cross paths with any random woman think about why she isn't your mother, and then you'll understand why I think you're actually an orphan. Sound logic, huh?
@@Kaiwizz as a Christian, I would definitely say that I “actively disbelieve” in Thor, Allah, Baal, Moloch, Zeus, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Atheists often claim that they lack a belief in God, but that’s more of an agnostic position, which is uncertain. Atheism defines more of a cemented belief that God does NOT exist. And although atheists with whom I debate or interact often claim to “lack a belief in God,” they typically behave and argue in a more aggressive way that belies an active belief that God does NOT exist.
@@hullie7529 except there's proof that that one woman would be my mother. There were other people who witnessed it, she remembers giving birth to me and I bear physical resemblance to her. There is 0 proof that God exists besides a 2000-year old book (that has been rewritten, edited and wrongly translated countless times over) and word-of-mouth stories from a time where science could not yet explain things.
Did you know that during Polycarp's trial, he was asked if he was an atheist because the Proconsul couldn't see the Christian God. Polycarp's response, "I am a Christian, if you would like to know more about our doctrine, make an appointment. I would be glad to explain them to you." (I guess if it'd been you you would've said, "Class dismissed." ;--)
@@RedPenLogic I never heard of Polycarp, but since I work as a library clerk and our library had a DVD based on his life I took it out and watched it. Then I bought if for myself as well as Polycarp's Epistle to the Philippians and his Martyrdom. You can also read it online. This is the kind of faith we need today.
You’re “the jack delusion” inspired me to make a video about atheist arguments but with God replaced with “brain”. I’m now a abrainist. Thanks for the inspiration.
One wonders why judeo-christianity has yet to be reduced to mythology. Perhaps it is because it is more substantive than the belief systems which have been. People who subscribe to this fresh grave meme should spend a little more time asking "why isn't it dead" than simply demanding that it die.
(Job 38:4) “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the [a]line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
Alvise Ceiçienn Islam is growing while Christianity becomes just a traditional way to spend Sunday. If that's related to it being real then I guess Allah is the one true god :)
@@panikosofgrays1904 Isn't asking "Why isn't it dead" a better course of action than simply demanding that a belief die regardless of the belief in question?
(Job 38:4) “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the [a]line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
I am curious, have you actually read the book The God Delusion. You see I am under the delusion that those who have actually read the book with an open mind should find the arguments reasonable and plausible. Please cleanse me off this delusion.
Before this video even begins, I'm calling it. "The only difference between you and an atheist is that an atheist believes in one less god than you. You're already an atheist towards all the other gods."...or something close to that. Edit: Man these people are predictable!
The guy's social media post didn't even make sense. His confusion had me so confused that only toward the end of the video did I realize he actually meant to say "I just believe in one less god than you" or "you just believe in one more god than I do." -That one sad atheist with a platform (the blind leading the blind)
I think your last point is the best one. Lean into the argument. Agree with them. "So what?" is my response. I want them to SPEAK the unspoken conclusion that they think follows from their premises. Once forced to vocalize their conclusion, they'll immediately see that it's absurd. "Yes. I'm an atheist in regards to all gods but one. So what?"
Atheists to me: You are also an Atheist, you just believe in one more god than me. Me to Atheists: You are also a Theist, you just believe in one less god than me. We can play these games all day long.....
My response to this is an athiest is like someone who believes they never had biological parents, because of the very many the people who are not their parent.
I've heard this stupid argument before and I literally thought it was just some random internet junkie who thought he was being clever. It boggles my mind that this is literally an argument used in The God Delusion. Don't get me wrong Richard Dawkins is a genius and even if I don't agree with him on what we believe I have to admit that. But I'm not going to lie this (at least in my mind) just dumped his credibility way lower.
Dawkins is competent in his field, and wrote one influential book. I’m not sure if that qualifies him as a genius, however. And when he strays out of his lane-case in point, the God Delusion-he’s utterly ignorant. And I mean that descriptively, not pejoratively.
I do think this meme is very important for many reasons. Firstly, it conveys the feeling of being an Atheist to a Christian. The Christians continuously say (just as you said in this video) that Atheists believe that there is no god. but I think the default atheist position is we just lack the belief in god. And this difference can only be expressed to a Christian when he thinks about some god other than yaweh. For example,, do you ACTIVELY disbelief in Thor the god of thunder? Of course not! The idea seems so ridiculous that you basically discard it. Secondly, this meme is used to question the Christians why they don't believe in Allah or Krishna or Thor. I do agree with you that all gods are not equally ridiculous. For example, I have never read either the old testament or the new testament but I heard that the god of the old testament was particularly awful. Nevertheless, when we atheists are saying that you are an atheist to most of the gods of human history, from the cavemen age to the modern age, what we are trying to say is don't just believe in the god you were brought up to believe. Think about the reasons you don't believe all of the other gods and then see if someone can use a similar line of reasoning to not believe in your particular god. Of course, a Christian is not actually an Atheist, Richard Dawkins clearly said that you are an atheist when it comes to these particular gods, that doesn't mean you actually are an Atheist.
Nice video brother ✝️📜. It's easy to debunk atheist hollow reasoning like this . All of their arguments just have a fresh splash of paint every five years or so. Also, "an a-jack-ist" made me chuckle 😆. Keep up the good work. Maranatha! ✝️📜
(Job 38:4) “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the [a]line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
'Nice work Tim and very well articulated as usual. When challenged on their atheism, many backtrack to a position agnisticism. Athesim has a gerat many philosophical challenges showing to be illogical which, ironically, is often the starting point of their criticism of theistic belief.
Neutralizing the rhetorical move and directs the discussion to the evidence....exactly! Love it! We have far too much rhetoric masquerading as rational argumentation these days. Highlighting the difference between the two, and encouraging the latter by looking at and evaluating relevant evidence, is very needed. Again, I'd give this video multiple likes if I could.
(Job 38:4) “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the [a]line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
I do think this meme is very important for many reasons. Firstly, it conveys the feeling of being an Atheist to a Christian. The Christians continuously say (just as you said in this video) that Atheists believe that there is no god. but I think the default atheist position is we just lack the belief in god. And this difference can only be expressed to a Christian when he thinks about some god other than yaweh. For example,, do you ACTIVELY disbelief in Thor the god of thunder? Of course not! The idea seems so ridiculous that you basically discard it. Secondly, this meme is used to question the Christians why they don't believe in Allah or Krishna or Thor. I do agree with you that all gods are not equally ridiculous. For example, I have never read either the old testament or the new testament but I heard that the god of the old testament was particularly awful. Nevertheless, when we atheists are saying that you are an atheist to most of the gods of human history, from the cavemen age to the modern age, what we are trying to say is don't just believe in the god you were brought up to believe. Think about the reasons you don't believe all of the other gods and then see if someone can use a similar line of reasoning to not believe in your particular god. Of course, a Christian is not actually an Atheist, Richard Dawkins clearly said that you are an atheist when it comes to these particular gods, that doesn't mean you actually are an Atheist.
I certainly agree that a Christian is not an atheist. The statement is factually incorrect in that respect and you highlight the clearly ridiculous and contradictory outcomes it would entail. The point it's making, however poorly, is that you (I assume) have reasons for dismissing those other gods. The 'actual' atheist also has reasons for dismissing the God of the Bible, many of which you might be more willing to accept when offered as arguments against other gods.
(Job 38:4) “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the [a]line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
Hey my man, I see some people are putting up your picture on thumbnails for videos they made. Then I notice they have 300 subscribers. I guess they are trying to piggyback their way into some views. Do you know what that means? Your a hit and they want in. But they can't do it on their own. Keep up the good work and pay no attention to the naysayers Mr. B
Another potential response: "You see, we're both really theists. Both you and I already believe that earth, the trees, energy, quarks, deductive reasoning, the laws of logic, and so on exist. I just go one step further and - using that deductive reasoning - acknowledge that natural physical reality cannot pre-exist itself to explain its own existence, so it needs an above-nature Creator - or, in other words, super-natural God."
I think we believe that earth and trees exist because we can see them using our eyes. I think energy is a good concept to explain a lot of physical phenomena and quarks have been detected by scientists using accelerators. The Laws of reasoning do not "exist" it is just a tool we invented to explain things. I don't think it exists outside of the conscious mind. what if the physical reality always existed? we know there was a big bang, but what if there happens a big crunch in the future and our one and only universe oscillate between the big bang and big crunch with a characteristic time period? or what if "Nothing" always existed and gave rise to many universes due to the quantum fluctuations? I think there can be many explanations that we might find in the future, or we might not. but how are you so sure that it had to be god, and more precisely it had to be the god you and your family believe in?
@@Kaiwizz Hello, and thank you for your response! I'm glad you posted. Hopefully my response will help. If it sounds harsh in any area: I mean no disrespect to you, but worldviews I'm okay with critiquing heavily, so to speak. ;) -- -Q. "it might be very easy for you to answer, but where did god come from?" That's quite close to the point, actually: He is a 'universal fact', so to speak. The metaphysically necessary 'Unmoved Mover' Aristotle spoke of, without which we'd have an infinite regression. In other words, He 'always existed'. Asking "Who created God?" is akin to asking "Where did something that did not begin begin?" To go into this a bit more, while also tackling 'what if the physical universe always existed?': --- Part #1: Did physical material reality always exist? -An infinite cannot be exhausted -Thus, an infinite amount of time cannot be behind us (otherwise, the end of the past-infinite time would occur the moment in which you read this, thus by definition, the universe cannot have always existed) -If an infinite cannot be exhausted, then there must be a starting point to time. -Per Einstein's theory of general relativity, time and matter are co-relative (E = Mc^2, i.e. Energy is related to mass times the speed of light, and speed is a function of time). You do not get time without matter. (i.e. spacetime is a unit) -If time began, matter began with it. Answer: Physical material reality cannot have always existed without causing an infinite regression, which is logically fallacious. (this is consistent with viable models regarding the universe's origin) That the universe exists, however, means it began. If it began, it needs a cause. --- Part #2: If the universe began (see Part #1), what caused it? -Everything that begins to exist has a cause -The universe began to exist -Thus, the universe has a cause -If X creates Y, X must be outside the set of Y -If time and matter(Y) began, whatever created them (X) must be outside the set of Y -Whatever created physical material reality must therefore be outside of time and matter (timeless, immaterial) ---- Deductive reasoning indicates that the physical material universe requires a cause outside of time (timeless/eternal) and matter (immaterial). At this point in the argument, does this mean God? No: but it establishes aspects the creating entity must have due to aspects the physical universe and the laws of logic have. Key among these: if everything that begins to exist has a cause, but an infinite regression is logically fallacious (and thus does not exist), there must be at least one uncaused thing to explain the existence of everything that is causal. This is deductive reasoning, not mere theorizing. === Interlude: Answering some smaller questions now that a foundation is in place. --- -Q. '"Nothing" always existed and gave rise to many universes due to the quantum fluctuations?' 'Existence' does not apply to nothing. Nothingness is the absence of a thing, like silence is the absence of sound. Zero times zero is not one, but still zero. Nothingness has no causal power. To posit nothingness as a cause is to violate causality. This is a violation of common sense, and basic science. Or are you referring to the recent attempts to conflate 'nothingness' with a 'quantum vacuum' - which is manifestly not nothing? Because if that's the case, note also that quantum physics do not violate the laws of thermodynamics. A quantum vacuum therefore cannot create energy or matter: merely act upon it (either altering it or moving it). EVEN IF we grant an 'eternal-past quantum vacuum' (which, being a function of material reality, would result in an infinite regression, see earlier!), we'd still have to have energy or matter for it to act upon for it to create a universe! --- -Q (sorta? Not phrased as a question, but you get the point. :P). "The Laws of reasoning do not "exist" it is just a tool we invented to explain things. I don't think it exists outside of the conscious mind. " A question for you, then. If no humans existed, would the statement 'no humans exist' be true, or would we have to exist to posit the laws of logic in our heads to give truth to that statement? I think it quite obvious that belief, or lack thereof, does not affect the existence of truth. === Part #3: Why God? -"but how are you so sure that it had to be god, and more precisely it had to be the god you and your family believe in?" Evidence - what else? For easily accessible external evidence, look into the historicity of the resurrection (ask: what can account for the rise of the early Christian church? What can account for the eyewitness testimony of the disciples, not to mention Saul of Tarsus? Am I being fair with the evidence, or do I not want God to exist?) And if you're wary of the Gospel accounts - look into the manuscript evidence, as well. We have over 2,000 manuscripts of the New Testament: we, effectively, have more historical information regarding Jesus than we do Abraham Lincoln. By comparing with these manuscripts, we can ascertain that the Bible we have today is accurate up to 99.6% (if memory serves) of what the original copies of the books said. We know, further, which parts we're not sure about - such as the longer ending of Mark. Further. regarding evidence: my personal experience, in my case. I do not expect this to sway you much, to be honest, powerful as it is to me, so unless you want me to I'll not go into it for now. This said, do not be afraid to look into the evidence. I ain't gonna force ya, of course: but if you're really after the truth, and your current worldview cannot explain the evidence I've presented to you (even just part of it!) - where will you go? --- But further: do you truly believe that there is no moral component to reality? That guilt is just a survival tactic programmed into genes, and Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, and more truly did nothing wrong, and we're all 'dancing to our own DNA', to quote Richard Dawkins? That no-one is truly blameworthy - the view of Steven Woodford of Rationality Rules? Or do things truly have moral value: that among them is seeking and sharing the truth? I agree with you, if that's the case - but naturalistic atheism cannot account for such a drive outside of saying that you're just 'programmed' to do it. And I know you're more than that. :) -- Jesus claimed to be the Truth: not merely to speak it, but to *be* it. If this is the case, any who believe Him ought not to fear doubts, but confront them. Nothing to fear from pursuing the truth, if Jesus was telling it in claiming to be it: and if He wasn't as He claimed, I'd want to know. But given what Jesus claimed, as well: "I am the resurrection and the life", He ruled out being a 'mere prophet,' or just a 'good teacher.' A good moral teacher doesn't accept worship! "No man cometh unto the Father, but by me." Truth is by definition exclusive.. Given His peaceful tendencies - "My kingdom is not of this world, else would my servants fight.." - He also was not 'just some revolutionary.' And given the manuscript evidence, even hardline skeptics like Bart Ehrman conclude that Jesus was not just a myth. So, what is He to you? Have you looked - or only heard? Come and see! ---- Thanks again for your reply and your time. Take care - and a bit late, but Happy New Year!
It's great channel. Keep motivating and inspiring. However I got question. Atheists are not believe in God because they said there is no proof of God. How to logically points out that there is a God, so atheists can understand it?
Also, there can be at most only one correct religion, all others must necessarily be at least partially, if not completely, wrong, and it's possible that God exists and all religions are wrong about Him.
or what if all the religions that ever existed are actually true. all the gods are actually in a reality show or something where the one with the most believer ( till the human race goes extinct due to a meteor or nuclear war) will be the winner. the rules of the game are pretty simple. write a book in a language that most future people will not know ( like Arabic, Hebrew, or Latin), occasionally do some miracles to help someone find their car keys ( while millions will be dying due to lack of fresh water in other parts of the globe) but whatever you do, you cannot just call a press conference and clear everything up so that they stop fighting and killing each other in the name of god!
When I read the tweet, I laughed out loud. That makes absolutely no sense. 😂 Don't know why it's such a popular talking point. Even if it did make sense, it doesn't prove anything anyway
(Job 38:4) “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the [a]line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
(Job 38:4) “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the [a]line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
Hello Mr B, I really enjoy your videos 🙂 you make it fun and you really get your point across and you really explain things about our Lord Jesus Christ so very well. God bless you my Brother 🙏
love this brother! Great points you make here. my question when someone say's they just go one more God then I do as a Christian when they are an Atheist, is and what God is it that you believe in then? If they answer this then the next might be how then can you believe in a God if you claim to be an Atheist? As atheists seem to believe that something like Space time and matter that's organized and structured came from nothing! by definition Atheism believe there is no God or creator. CRAZY!
Atheist here! Whilst I agree that the term "atheist" applied to someone who believes in a god is literal nonsense, it is done to serve a purpose: an indication of false reasoning. It goes like this: All the reasons you apply to reject/dismiss the existence of other gods can be equally applied to the rejection/dismissal of your god. Therefore, what makes me an atheist would also make you an atheist, but for the fact that you can't see your own hypocrisy. Muslims justify their belief by way of a book inspired by god. Christians justify their belief by way of a book inspired by god. Muslims point to prophecies in their book as proof it was written/inspired by their god Christians point to prophecies in their book as proof it was written/inspired by their god Muslims justify their belief by way of miracles Christians justify their belief by way of miracles You all believe in your god for the same reason others believe in their god and you dismiss their god for the exact same reason they dismiss your god. By talking of being just "one more god" atheist than you, we are trying to show you the valid reasoning you put forward to reject other religions is exactly the same reasoning we use to reject the one religion you have trouble rejecting.
The problem with every other non-christian religion is they have nowhere near the amount of proof to show that they are legitimate. I'm admittedly no expert on every single religion in human history but I'm pretty sure we don't have any other records of kings hundreds of years before they were born like we see in the book of Isiah with Cyrus the great
As an atheist, I agree that this is a stupid argument. I think the original intention was to get religious people to think about WHY they don’t believe in other gods. And I mean have a #serious# think about it. Don’t gloss over it, be honest with yourself about WHY you don’t believe in the Hindu gods or Allah or others
BibleTalk101 The reason I don’t believe anymore is simple... I saw that there are no reasons to believe it’s true.. None.. There is no evidence of god... There are no good arguments for god( they are all fallacious)... I did the only intellectually honest thing I could... Stopped believing
BibleTalk101 Wait??!! You believe the bible is true in all regards?? So you think everything was created about 6,000 years ago?? And all the animals created fully formed?? And Adam and Eve? Noah and the worldwide flood?? You believe all of that is real??
“If you declare with your mouth “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9). Now is the time to accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. Obey His commands and repent of your sins because Jesus is coming back soon. Tomorrow isn’t promised.
The stupidity of this objection is only exceeded by the smugness with which Dawkins delivers it. Great video, bro! And cool of you to involve your better half👌
(Job 38:4) “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the [a]line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? AMEN!!!!!
But which Joker is the real Joker. Jack Nicholson? Ceasar Romero? Heath Ledger? Jared Leto? or Joaquin Phoenix? That is the real question. Could the real Joker be a modalist? Modaljoker?
The "one less god" argument falls apart anyway. If you are an atheist, you, by definition, believe no deity exists. The one less god means the person you're talking to believes in a god, or God, automatically marking them a monotheist.
The Bible confirms the existence of Pagan Gods. We are forbidden to worship them. So Christians are not Atheists. We are monotheists because of our love for the Most High, not the lower G’s.
We tend to mock people that make themselves ridiculous. It is human. But sometimes we also try to help them by teaching them logic and scientific approach, it’s like pissing in a violin, so tiring, so laughing is the only solution. Bad luck to you.
@@gide5489 deciding that you don’t understand something and therefore that thing is ridiculous is the epitome of concupiscible ignorance. It’s the opposite of the scientific method. And ending a statement with “bad luck to you” is proof that you have no good will toward others and makes you therefore a hateful and despicable person. I honestly hope you wake up and become a contributing member of society instead.
@@jasonrodgers880 I laugh when I understand. If it is so important to not be mocked, try first not to be ridiculous. If the laugher is a good or bad person is not the first explanation that you have to look at. And please stop confuse hate and irony. I don't hate you, as I said before the goal is to help you
@@gide5489 you laugh when you understand? Is understanding really so rare for you that it makes you laugh? No, laughing is certainly an understandable response if 1 - you are too unintelligent to comprehend, or 2 - there’s no logical thought process for the point at discussion. That said, I’ll give the benefit of the doubt and presume you’re intelligent. And the Christian belief does have a logical process, if you’re honest enough to listen. So the last thing left is hate. I don’t think you know what the word “irony” means since wishing someone bad isn’t irony. It’s just meanness. Try learning what the words are before you use them. And absolutely make sure you know the words being used are before you call them ridiculous. Because you’re the only one sounding ridiculous.
(Job 38:4) “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the [a]line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? AMEN!!!!!
The other assumption is that the quality of YHWH is the same as lesser gods in a didn't ancient pantheon. A monotheistic (regardless of distinction between unitarian or trinitarian) God is not the same as Zeus or thor.
There is another point that was missed. Christians, and I believe Muslims as well, believe that there are other spiritual beings besides God. They’re just not God and do not deserve our worship. Idolatry isn’t worshipping ‘a nothing’ that doesn’t exist, but rather treating something that is not God as if it were.
I do think this meme is very important for many reasons. Firstly, it conveys the feeling of being an Atheist to a Christian. The Christians continuously say (just as you said in this video) that Atheists believe that there is no god. but I think the default atheist position is we just lack the belief in god. And this difference can only be expressed to a Christian when he thinks about some god other than yaweh. For example,, do you ACTIVELY disbelief in Thor the god of thunder? Of course not! The idea seems so ridiculous that you basically discard it. Secondly, this meme is used to question the Christians why they don't believe in Allah or Krishna or Thor. I do agree with you that all gods are not equally ridiculous. For example, I have never read either the old testament or the new testament but I heard that the god of the old testament was particularly awful. Nevertheless, when we atheists are saying that you are an atheist to most of the gods of human history, from the cavemen age to the modern age, what we are trying to say is don't just believe in the god you were brought up to believe. Think about the reasons you don't believe all of the other gods and then see if someone can use a similar line of reasoning to not believe in your particular god. Of course, a Christian is not actually an Atheist, Richard Dawkins clearly said that you are an atheist when it comes to these particular gods, that doesn't mean you actually are an Atheist.
Dawkin's argument is broken from the beginning, in that it completely discounts the definition of the word atheist. It's mind-boggling to think that anyone who regards themselves as a thinker would ever try to make this point.
(Job 38:4) “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the [a]line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
I think one thing you could mention if someone brought that up is bring up the actual meaning of the words. Like atheist basically meaning (believer of NO gods) while we Christians are Theists (believers of gods one or many) but more specifically Monotheists (believers of one God) there are also polytheists (believers of many gods but that more irrelevant)
On rewatch as well, wanted to note: I find it interesting the atheist wants to dig another grave for God. God already had a grave - Joseph of Arimethea's - but He only needed it for three days.
(Job 38:4) “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the [a]line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
God-despising fool (out of one side of his mouth): _"You and I are both atheists. I just believe in one less god than you do, and you just believe in one more god than I do."_ God-despising fool (out of the other side of his mouth): _"You don't get to define what atheism is. That's what I get to do, because I'm the atheist."_
(Job 38:4) “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the [a]line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
Oh yes, I also enjoy the variation "Think about why you don't believe in every other god and you'll figure out why I don't believe in yours." To which the logical reply is "You don't believe in Jesus because you DO believe in Jesus? That makes no sense."
David Wood put it this way: "Suppose we are investigating the origins of this podium. Some might say, well a couple guys got together and built a podium. (Poly-podium-builderism). Others may say, nah we only need one. (Mono-podium-builderism). An atheist would say nah, nobody built this podium." There is a world of difference.
(Job 38:4) “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the [a]line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
(Job 38:4) “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the [a]line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
The part at the end was very smart. Just agree "sure, I'm an atheist in regard to all non-Christian Gods... so what?" I think that's the best way to respond, to get the focus back onto why the Christian God exists. Because a lot of these atheist slogans are specifically designed to obfuscate and derail any meaningful debate, so we're always bogged down bickering over meaningless nonsense instead of getting to the truth (Presuppositionalism is the only 100% certain proof for God). Well done.
(Job 38:4) “Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the [a]line upon it? To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, When the morning stars sang together, And all the sons of God shouted for joy? AMEN!!!!!
I do think this meme is very important for many reasons. Firstly, it conveys the feeling of being an Atheist to a Christian. The Christians continuously say (just as you said in this video) that Atheists believe that there is no god. but I think the default atheist position is we just lack the belief in god. And this difference can only be expressed to a Christian when he thinks about some god other than yaweh. For example,, do you ACTIVELY disbelief in Thor the god of thunder? Of course not! The idea seems so ridiculous that you basically discard it. Secondly, this meme is used to question the Christians why they don't believe in Allah or Krishna or Thor. I do agree with you that all gods are not equally ridiculous. For example, I have never read either the old testament or the new testament but I heard that the god of the old testament was particularly awful. Nevertheless, when we atheists are saying that you are an atheist to most of the gods of human history, from the cavemen age to the modern age, what we are trying to say is don't just believe in the god you were brought up to believe. Think about the reasons you don't believe all of the other gods and then see if someone can use a similar line of reasoning to not believe in your particular god. Of course, a Christian is not actually an Atheist, Richard Dawkins clearly said that you are an atheist when it comes to these particular gods, that doesn't mean you actually are an Atheist.
I’ve always hated this statement. Dawkins came up with it… but is hooey. I don’t say Jupiter didn’t exist, neither did Augustine, we both contextualize their gods within our framework.
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I mean, my God did have a grave, there is just a good reason of why it is empty.
Nice one👏
AAAAYYYYEE! Good one!
Boom *mic drop*
Superb comment, my friend!
That is clever!
I read this once and thought it might be a compelling argument. Then I turned 12
Lol.
i dont get it
@@idance8300 wait til you turn 12, then you'll understand
@@littlesherlock2313 im 15
@@idance8300basically, he’s saying this argument is silly and childish, not to mention useless.
Atheist: “I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do.”
Theist: “I contend that we are both theists. I just believe in one more God than you do.”
(Job 38:4)
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the [a]line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
AMEN!
Saw this one the other day:
Atheist: “I’m an atheist and I just lack belief in the existence of God.”
Theist: “Fine! I’m a theist and I just lack belief in the nonexistence of God.”
Mark atheist who aren’t atheist because they believe in “lack belief: I don’t think therefore God does not exist!.
Theist: I think and use my mind, therefore God exist.
Judging by the tweet, its such a weak statement and just makes an observation by removing the difference and finding the commonality of both atheist and theist
Every arbitrary claim has an equal opposite arbitrary claim. I love it.
This is like if a killer say to you: You are a murderer too...you just killed one less person than me. 😂
siIviya dud0va
this is the w0rst, m0st c0nfused, meaningIess anaI0gy ever
if s0me0ne has never kiIIed any0ne
-there are miIIi0ns 0f pe0pIe wh0 have never s0 much as harmed any0ne Iet aI0ne kiIIed--
they have n0 shared experience with a murderer
y0u d0 n0t beIieve in zeus neither d0 I
we are b0th atheists when it c0mes t0 zeus
a shared experience
erg0 y0u understand being atheist
d0 y0u understand being a murderer ? having never kiIIed ?
st0p taIking shite- if y0u can
Actually many do lol, they'll say to some people "every human has the urge to kill, you just dont", 👀
@@gregrobinette8620 this at least has more validity... I mean, I'd kill the murderer if they went after my family.
@@roycehuepers4325 You wouldn't be a murderer in that situation though
I'm an atheist and I love God with all my heart, mind, and strength, and I confess Jesus is Lord and believe in my heart that God raised Jesus from the dead! 🥰
I love this comment. 👍.
I’m... im a lil confused
@Joshua Philips and vegans are carnivores that don’t eat meat💀
Why don't feel the same way about allah or krishna or the Zeus?
@@Kaiwizz because I read the words of Jesus 😊 Jesus has words those others do not have.
So in short, the Atheist Buddhist doesn't know Jack.
Are you your own son?
Atheists: "we're all atheists, some of us just go one God further."
Me: "We're all theists. I believe God exists in reality, and you believe God exists in the imagination. So we're all theists, some of us just go one realm further. 😉"
Atheists: 🤯..............
Yes, that is a factual statement. I am not mind blown. Maybe it is because I am an idiot. Haha
We’re all stick figures, some of us just go one dimension further
@@memebaltan are you saying that as an atheist or are you saying that as a christian? If you're an atheist, so what if it's a fact or not? What does it prove? Does approve that atheism is a more rational position to take? Does approve that Christianity is false? What is the point of making that analogy? That's the point I'm making. It's just a fancy statement that atheists say to make disbelief or a lack of belief a more rational position to take. But disbelief or lack of belief are not positions, they're simply attitudes toward a particular claim.
If you're saying all this as a Christian, you're probably appealing to the scripture that says that the fool says in his heart that there is no God. Unfortunately that scripture doesn't prove that even atheists believe in God.
@@Tooinsecuretousemyrealname Hahaha that's a good one 🤣
@@josephthomasmusic My guy, I wrote 3 sentences plus a Haha. I don't even understand what you wrote. What twisted meaning did you get out of my reply?
This "challenge" to theism is one of the most on-its-face ridiculous, cant-believe-you're-serious atheist "challenge". I'm astounded how many popular, big names in atheism use it.
Its because there is no explanation, and no argument for atheism haha. They grab at whatever pops up and try to pull one over on us (but really God because those who are born again have the Holy Spirit)
I think it is funny though!
It's so popular because the first time you hear it you get so dumbfounded that you don't even know what to say, and that appeals to the "got you!" generation.
It's not supposed to be an argument for atheism. Obviously it doesn't make a point for atheism.
It is however supposed to raise a question. Namingly what is the reason for why you know the other gods is wrong. And why doesn't that reason apply to your god.
@@gulgaffel
There is a big difference between mythologycal gods and the religious god .
That's because a lot of big names for atheism AREN'T trained philosophers who actually know how to think. Most of them are either scientists talking about areas outside their expertise (Richard Dawkins' only published scientific work is on wasp evolution) or they are professional atheists. They don't DO anything except be atheists for money.
I’ve just been saying, “actually you’re an orthodox Christian regarding all other gods”
clever!
ExGarage Podcast Hee! Way to stick it to ‘em!🤪
(Job 38:4)
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the [a]line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
AMEN!
@ExGarage Podcast Sorry, I'm afraid I don't get it. Can you explain?
J L we both don’t believe in those other gods, which is the Christian belief
Well... Actually...
I will say, as a Christian historian, that when the Church first started (Roman Empire, 1st century A.D.) Christians WERE accused of being atheists!! Because the Empire grew with synchretism- basically as the empire expanded, more gods were added, everyone was allowed to worship their gods, so long as they also worshipped the Roman gods and eventually the emperor. When Christians didn't do this (they wouldn't light incense to the emperor or worship other deities) they were called Atheists. The Jews were understood to be an exception since they had a long history of being monotheistic but the Christians were often recent converts and didn't have this history or tradition.
I hope that was interesting for some people!
Excellent point. Reminds me of Polycarp and the phrase, "Away with the atheists!"
This is interesting. I'm curious what the first-hand sources are for this. Not to challenge you, I'm just curious. If I used this fact going forward I wouldn't be able to say "some historian on the internet told me". lol
The romans in the first century and people in the 21st century aren't using the term "atheist" the same way
@@robo- Not exactly - but that's because the concept of atheism that we have today would have been unthinkable for the ancients. To conceive of a world that had no creator was ludicrous - and highly disruptive to the natural order.
For example consider Socrates, who was thought to have suggested/taught there were/are no gods. Look what happened to him!
@@SeraphsWitness haha I just saw your comment. It's a really good one, I dislike when people make claims without supporting them with the ancient texts. Unfortunately I'm currently in the process of moving house so a bit busy but just off the top of my head, you should be able to find some claims surrounding this topic from Athenagoras and in records of the martyrdom of Polycarp.
Eventually I'd like to start my own TH-cam channel covering topics like this! History from a Christian perspective.
This goes along with the stupid argument " they can't all be right " to which i respond, " they aren't , only One is "
I love your vids, by the way .
I do think this meme is very important for many reasons.
Firstly, it conveys the feeling of being an Atheist to a Christian. The Christians continuously say (just as you said in this video) that Atheists believe that there is no god. but I think the default atheist position is we just lack the belief in god. And this difference can only be expressed to a Christian when he thinks about some god other than yaweh. For example,, do you ACTIVELY disbelief in Thor the god of thunder? Of course not! The idea seems so ridiculous that you basically discard it.
Secondly, this meme is used to question the Christians why they don't believe in Allah or Krishna or Thor. I do agree with you that all gods are not equally ridiculous. For example, I have never read either the old testament or the new testament but I heard that the god of the old testament was particularly awful. Nevertheless, when we atheists are saying that you are an atheist to most of the gods of human history, from the cavemen age to the modern age, what we are trying to say is don't just believe in the god you were brought up to believe. Think about the reasons you don't believe all of the other gods and then see if someone can use a similar line of reasoning to not believe in your particular god.
Of course, a Christian is not actually an Atheist, Richard Dawkins clearly said that you are an atheist when it comes to these particular gods, that doesn't mean you actually are an Atheist.
Dude, keep making these! Your channel will grow like crazy. Absolutely love your style. God bless you!
Let's keep SHARING them too!
Oh. My goodness. I absolutely love this channel. Just found you maybe 20 minutes ago and I am a huge fan. Can't wait to watch the rest of yiur videos!!
I'm glad that I stumbled across this channel. Great video! I will be waiting for more great content. Expect RAPID growth of your channel.
As Dr. William Lane Craig also points out, this little rhetorical quip is designed to make atheism sound far less extreme than it is. In reality, monotheism and atheism are very different.
I do think this meme is very important for many reasons.
Firstly, it conveys the feeling of being an Atheist to a Christian. The Christians continuously say (just as you said in this video) that Atheists believe that there is no god. but I think the default atheist position is we just lack the belief in god. And this difference can only be expressed to a Christian when he thinks about some god other than yaweh. For example,, do you ACTIVELY disbelief in Thor the god of thunder? Of course not! The idea seems so ridiculous that you basically discard it.
Secondly, this meme is used to question the Christians why they don't believe in Allah or Krishna or Thor. I do agree with you that all gods are not equally ridiculous. For example, I have never read either the old testament or the new testament but I heard that the god of the old testament was particularly awful. Nevertheless, when we atheists are saying that you are an atheist to most of the gods of human history, from the cavemen age to the modern age, what we are trying to say is don't just believe in the god you were brought up to believe. Think about the reasons you don't believe all of the other gods and then see if someone can use a similar line of reasoning to not believe in your particular god.
Of course, a Christian is not actually an Atheist, Richard Dawkins clearly said that you are an atheist when it comes to these particular gods, that doesn't mean you actually are an Atheist.
@@Kaiwizz Think about your mother. Do you actively disbelief that every other woman is your mother? or you just don't consider the possibility. The next time you cross paths with any random woman think about why she isn't your mother, and then you'll understand why I think you're actually an orphan.
Sound logic, huh?
@@Kaiwizz as a Christian, I would definitely say that I “actively disbelieve” in Thor, Allah, Baal, Moloch, Zeus, or the Flying Spaghetti Monster. Atheists often claim that they lack a belief in God, but that’s more of an agnostic position, which is uncertain. Atheism defines more of a cemented belief that God does NOT exist. And although atheists with whom I debate or interact often claim to “lack a belief in God,” they typically behave and argue in a more aggressive way that belies an active belief that God does NOT exist.
@@hullie7529 except there's proof that that one woman would be my mother. There were other people who witnessed it, she remembers giving birth to me and I bear physical resemblance to her. There is 0 proof that God exists besides a 2000-year old book (that has been rewritten, edited and wrongly translated countless times over) and word-of-mouth stories from a time where science could not yet explain things.
@@hullie7529 LMAO LOL THIS IS A BEATIFUL RESPONSE 😂 TOP TIER.
After I found your channel, I have been so hooked on your videos.
I gotta give your editing crew big kudos. LOL
Keri Davis I’ll pass this along!
Did you know that during Polycarp's trial, he was asked if he was an atheist because the Proconsul couldn't see the Christian God. Polycarp's response, "I am a Christian, if you would like to know more about our doctrine, make an appointment. I would be glad to explain them to you." (I guess if it'd been you you would've said, "Class dismissed." ;--)
That's interesting. I didn't know that.
@@RedPenLogic I never heard of Polycarp, but since I work as a library clerk and our library had a DVD based on his life I took it out and watched it. Then I bought if for myself as well as Polycarp's Epistle to the Philippians and his Martyrdom. You can also read it online. This is the kind of faith we need today.
@@rockandsandapologetics7254 He also knew the Apostle John.
@@soldierofchrist4ever That's right. He was a disciple of John and possible ordained by the Apostle John as Bishop of Smyrna.
You know what? We're all Anarchists, kinda. We rejects all other forms of government except for one, while Anarchists reject one more. That's it
You’re “the jack delusion” inspired me to make a video about atheist arguments but with God replaced with “brain”. I’m now a abrainist. Thanks for the inspiration.
i just really felt like i need to say I LOVE MY GOD, PRAISE JESUS!!!
Amen to that!
One wonders why judeo-christianity has yet to be reduced to mythology. Perhaps it is because it is more substantive than the belief systems which have been. People who subscribe to this fresh grave meme should spend a little more time asking "why isn't it dead" than simply demanding that it die.
(Job 38:4)
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the [a]line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
Alvise Ceiçienn Islam is growing while Christianity becomes just a traditional way to spend Sunday. If that's related to it being real then I guess Allah is the one true god :)
@@crackedbenchmarks311 a man wrote that. It doesn't prove anything any more than the poetry in Lord of the Rings
btw we have measured it.
@@panikosofgrays1904 Isn't asking "Why isn't it dead" a better course of action than simply demanding that a belief die regardless of the belief in question?
It is to well grained into our society and culture to be easily tossed aside.
Awesome stuff!! I was cracking up throughout this! :-)
I read The Jack Delusion and I became a Jacket..! That book is as useless as The God Delusion.
AKA The Dawkins Delusion.....
(Job 38:4)
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the [a]line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
Well, at least you don't identify as an attack helicopter. That's getting pretty unoriginal.
i reAD tHe gOd dEluSioN aNd *bEcAME A gOD*
I am curious, have you actually read the book The God Delusion. You see I am under the delusion that those who have actually read the book with an open mind should find the arguments reasonable and plausible. Please cleanse me off this delusion.
Before this video even begins, I'm calling it. "The only difference between you and an atheist is that an atheist believes in one less god than you. You're already an atheist towards all the other gods."...or something close to that.
Edit: Man these people are predictable!
The guy's social media post didn't even make sense. His confusion had me so confused that only toward the end of the video did I realize he actually meant to say
"I just believe in one less god than you" or
"you just believe in one more god than I do."
-That one sad atheist with a platform (the blind leading the blind)
I think your last point is the best one. Lean into the argument. Agree with them. "So what?" is my response. I want them to SPEAK the unspoken conclusion that they think follows from their premises. Once forced to vocalize their conclusion, they'll immediately see that it's absurd.
"Yes. I'm an atheist in regards to all gods but one. So what?"
Atheists to me: You are also an Atheist, you just believe in one more god than me.
Me to Atheists: You are also a Theist, you just believe in one less god than me.
We can play these games all day long.....
My response to this is an athiest is like someone who believes they never had biological parents, because of the very many the people who are not their parent.
I've heard this stupid argument before and I literally thought it was just some random internet junkie who thought he was being clever. It boggles my mind that this is literally an argument used in The God Delusion. Don't get me wrong Richard Dawkins is a genius and even if I don't agree with him on what we believe I have to admit that. But I'm not going to lie this (at least in my mind) just dumped his credibility way lower.
A generous use of genius
@@lifewasgiventous1614 u rite😑
Dawkins is competent in his field, and wrote one influential book. I’m not sure if that qualifies him as a genius, however.
And when he strays out of his lane-case in point, the God Delusion-he’s utterly ignorant. And I mean that descriptively, not pejoratively.
Dawkins is about the worst debater I've ever heard, outside of his expertise he commits fallacy after fallacy, or even gets no further than retoric.
I do think this meme is very important for many reasons.
Firstly, it conveys the feeling of being an Atheist to a Christian. The Christians continuously say (just as you said in this video) that Atheists believe that there is no god. but I think the default atheist position is we just lack the belief in god. And this difference can only be expressed to a Christian when he thinks about some god other than yaweh. For example,, do you ACTIVELY disbelief in Thor the god of thunder? Of course not! The idea seems so ridiculous that you basically discard it.
Secondly, this meme is used to question the Christians why they don't believe in Allah or Krishna or Thor. I do agree with you that all gods are not equally ridiculous. For example, I have never read either the old testament or the new testament but I heard that the god of the old testament was particularly awful. Nevertheless, when we atheists are saying that you are an atheist to most of the gods of human history, from the cavemen age to the modern age, what we are trying to say is don't just believe in the god you were brought up to believe. Think about the reasons you don't believe all of the other gods and then see if someone can use a similar line of reasoning to not believe in your particular god.
Of course, a Christian is not actually an Atheist, Richard Dawkins clearly said that you are an atheist when it comes to these particular gods, that doesn't mean you actually are an Atheist.
Nice video brother ✝️📜. It's easy to debunk atheist hollow reasoning like this . All of their arguments just have a fresh splash of paint every five years or so.
Also, "an a-jack-ist" made me chuckle 😆.
Keep up the good work. Maranatha! ✝️📜
(Job 38:4)
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the [a]line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
Like u said Mr.B, people seem to be trying to redefine all the words😂😂
This is fantastic XD. For someone new to apologetics, you always make seemingly difficult arguments so silly-sounding
'Nice work Tim and very well articulated as usual. When challenged on their atheism, many backtrack to a position agnisticism. Athesim has a gerat many philosophical challenges showing to be illogical which, ironically, is often the starting point of their criticism of theistic belief.
Neutralizing the rhetorical move and directs the discussion to the evidence....exactly! Love it! We have far too much rhetoric masquerading as rational argumentation these days. Highlighting the difference between the two, and encouraging the latter by looking at and evaluating relevant evidence, is very needed. Again, I'd give this video multiple likes if I could.
(Job 38:4)
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the [a]line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
I do think this meme is very important for many reasons.
Firstly, it conveys the feeling of being an Atheist to a Christian. The Christians continuously say (just as you said in this video) that Atheists believe that there is no god. but I think the default atheist position is we just lack the belief in god. And this difference can only be expressed to a Christian when he thinks about some god other than yaweh. For example,, do you ACTIVELY disbelief in Thor the god of thunder? Of course not! The idea seems so ridiculous that you basically discard it.
Secondly, this meme is used to question the Christians why they don't believe in Allah or Krishna or Thor. I do agree with you that all gods are not equally ridiculous. For example, I have never read either the old testament or the new testament but I heard that the god of the old testament was particularly awful. Nevertheless, when we atheists are saying that you are an atheist to most of the gods of human history, from the cavemen age to the modern age, what we are trying to say is don't just believe in the god you were brought up to believe. Think about the reasons you don't believe all of the other gods and then see if someone can use a similar line of reasoning to not believe in your particular god.
Of course, a Christian is not actually an Atheist, Richard Dawkins clearly said that you are an atheist when it comes to these particular gods, that doesn't mean you actually are an Atheist.
I certainly agree that a Christian is not an atheist. The statement is factually incorrect in that respect and you highlight the clearly ridiculous and contradictory outcomes it would entail.
The point it's making, however poorly, is that you (I assume) have reasons for dismissing those other gods. The 'actual' atheist also has reasons for dismissing the God of the Bible, many of which you might be more willing to accept when offered as arguments against other gods.
One of my hard and fast rules is that if Richard Dawkins said it, it is always going to be wrong.
I have the same rule with theists, but not with wrong since I don't know what is true, but with stupid.
That Jack Nicholson clip got me in stitches😂😂
Can't even remember the name of that movie. Had Tom Cruise in it.
"A Few Good Men"-tal exercises in logic or even a dictionary would keep this moronic argument from propagating.
@@tylerthomas9123 Spot on... A Few Good Men! Great movie!!
Love it, bro. Keep up the great work. 😄
Using their logic, they're all theists, they just believe one less god than me.
Blessings to you.
That's another way to treat the criticism - turn it around. 👍
(Job 38:4)
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the [a]line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
That's GREAT! LOL, I love that!
That arguement is what I call a non issue. Thanks for the clarity Mr. B.
Woooooaaaaaaa cant believe i missed this channel for so long!! God bless you! It is incredible how God uses and will use this channel
Hey my man, I see some people are putting up your picture on thumbnails for videos they made. Then I notice they have 300 subscribers. I guess they are trying to piggyback their way into some views. Do you know what that means? Your a hit and they want in. But they can't do it on their own. Keep up the good work and pay no attention to the naysayers Mr. B
Another potential response:
"You see, we're both really theists. Both you and I already believe that earth, the trees, energy, quarks, deductive reasoning, the laws of logic, and so on exist.
I just go one step further and - using that deductive reasoning - acknowledge that natural physical reality cannot pre-exist itself to explain its own existence, so it needs an above-nature Creator - or, in other words, super-natural God."
it might be very easy for you to answer, but where did god come from?
I think we believe that earth and trees exist because we can see them using our eyes.
I think energy is a good concept to explain a lot of physical phenomena and quarks have been detected by scientists using accelerators.
The Laws of reasoning do not "exist" it is just a tool we invented to explain things. I don't think it exists outside of the conscious mind.
what if the physical reality always existed? we know there was a big bang, but what if there happens a big crunch in the future and our one and only universe oscillate between the big bang and big crunch with a characteristic time period? or what if "Nothing" always existed and gave rise to many universes due to the quantum fluctuations? I think there can be many explanations that we might find in the future, or we might not. but how are you so sure that it had to be god, and more precisely it had to be the god you and your family believe in?
@@Kaiwizz Hello, and thank you for your response!
I'm glad you posted. Hopefully my response will help.
If it sounds harsh in any area: I mean no disrespect to you, but worldviews I'm okay with critiquing heavily, so to speak. ;)
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-Q. "it might be very easy for you to answer, but where did god come from?"
That's quite close to the point, actually: He is a 'universal fact', so to speak. The metaphysically necessary 'Unmoved Mover' Aristotle spoke of, without which we'd have an infinite regression.
In other words, He 'always existed'.
Asking "Who created God?" is akin to asking "Where did something that did not begin begin?"
To go into this a bit more, while also tackling 'what if the physical universe always existed?':
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Part #1: Did physical material reality always exist?
-An infinite cannot be exhausted
-Thus, an infinite amount of time cannot be behind us (otherwise, the end of the past-infinite time would occur the moment in which you read this, thus by definition, the universe cannot have always existed)
-If an infinite cannot be exhausted, then there must be a starting point to time.
-Per Einstein's theory of general relativity, time and matter are co-relative (E = Mc^2, i.e. Energy is related to mass times the speed of light, and speed is a function of time).
You do not get time without matter.
(i.e. spacetime is a unit)
-If time began, matter began with it.
Answer: Physical material reality cannot have always existed without causing an infinite regression, which is logically fallacious.
(this is consistent with viable models regarding the universe's origin)
That the universe exists, however, means it began. If it began, it needs a cause.
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Part #2: If the universe began (see Part #1), what caused it?
-Everything that begins to exist has a cause
-The universe began to exist
-Thus, the universe has a cause
-If X creates Y, X must be outside the set of Y
-If time and matter(Y) began, whatever created them (X) must be outside the set of Y
-Whatever created physical material reality must therefore be outside of time and matter
(timeless, immaterial)
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Deductive reasoning indicates that the physical material universe requires a cause outside of time (timeless/eternal) and matter (immaterial).
At this point in the argument, does this mean God?
No: but it establishes aspects the creating entity must have due to aspects the physical universe and the laws of logic have.
Key among these: if everything that begins to exist has a cause, but an infinite regression is logically fallacious (and thus does not exist), there must be at least one uncaused thing to explain the existence of everything that is causal.
This is deductive reasoning, not mere theorizing.
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Interlude: Answering some smaller questions now that a foundation is in place.
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-Q. '"Nothing" always existed and gave rise to many universes due to the quantum fluctuations?'
'Existence' does not apply to nothing. Nothingness is the absence of a thing, like silence is the absence of sound.
Zero times zero is not one, but still zero.
Nothingness has no causal power.
To posit nothingness as a cause is to violate causality. This is a violation of common sense, and basic science.
Or are you referring to the recent attempts to conflate 'nothingness' with a 'quantum vacuum' - which is manifestly not nothing?
Because if that's the case, note also that quantum physics do not violate the laws of thermodynamics. A quantum vacuum therefore cannot create energy or matter: merely act upon it (either altering it or moving it).
EVEN IF we grant an 'eternal-past quantum vacuum' (which, being a function of material reality, would result in an infinite regression, see earlier!), we'd still have to have energy or matter for it to act upon for it to create a universe!
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-Q (sorta? Not phrased as a question, but you get the point. :P).
"The Laws of reasoning do not "exist" it is just a tool we invented to explain things. I don't think it exists outside of the conscious mind. "
A question for you, then.
If no humans existed, would the statement 'no humans exist' be true, or would we have to exist to posit the laws of logic in our heads to give truth to that statement?
I think it quite obvious that belief, or lack thereof, does not affect the existence of truth.
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Part #3: Why God?
-"but how are you so sure that it had to be god, and more precisely it had to be the god you and your family believe in?"
Evidence - what else?
For easily accessible external evidence, look into the historicity of the resurrection (ask: what can account for the rise of the early Christian church? What can account for the eyewitness testimony of the disciples, not to mention Saul of Tarsus? Am I being fair with the evidence, or do I not want God to exist?)
And if you're wary of the Gospel accounts - look into the manuscript evidence, as well. We have over 2,000 manuscripts of the New Testament: we, effectively, have more historical information regarding Jesus than we do Abraham Lincoln.
By comparing with these manuscripts, we can ascertain that the Bible we have today is accurate up to 99.6% (if memory serves) of what the original copies of the books said.
We know, further, which parts we're not sure about - such as the longer ending of Mark.
Further. regarding evidence: my personal experience, in my case. I do not expect this to sway you much, to be honest, powerful as it is to me, so unless you want me to I'll not go into it for now.
This said, do not be afraid to look into the evidence. I ain't gonna force ya, of course: but if you're really after the truth, and your current worldview cannot explain the evidence I've presented to you (even just part of it!) - where will you go?
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But further: do you truly believe that there is no moral component to reality?
That guilt is just a survival tactic programmed into genes, and Hitler, Mao, Stalin, Pol Pot, and more truly did nothing wrong, and we're all 'dancing to our own DNA', to quote Richard Dawkins?
That no-one is truly blameworthy - the view of Steven Woodford of Rationality Rules?
Or do things truly have moral value: that among them is seeking and sharing the truth?
I agree with you, if that's the case - but naturalistic atheism cannot account for such a drive outside of saying that you're just 'programmed' to do it.
And I know you're more than that. :)
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Jesus claimed to be the Truth: not merely to speak it, but to *be* it.
If this is the case, any who believe Him ought not to fear doubts, but confront them. Nothing to fear from pursuing the truth, if Jesus was telling it in claiming to be it: and if He wasn't as He claimed, I'd want to know.
But given what Jesus claimed, as well: "I am the resurrection and the life", He ruled out being a 'mere prophet,' or just a 'good teacher.' A good moral teacher doesn't accept worship!
"No man cometh unto the Father, but by me." Truth is by definition exclusive..
Given His peaceful tendencies - "My kingdom is not of this world, else would my servants fight.." - He also was not 'just some revolutionary.'
And given the manuscript evidence, even hardline skeptics like Bart Ehrman conclude that Jesus was not just a myth.
So, what is He to you? Have you looked - or only heard?
Come and see!
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Thanks again for your reply and your time. Take care - and a bit late, but Happy New Year!
You can also wind up an atheist by telling them that atheism is itself a religion, and courts have said this.
They come complete with dogma and zealots.
It's great channel. Keep motivating and inspiring. However I got question. Atheists are not believe in God because they said there is no proof of God. How to logically points out that there is a God, so atheists can understand it?
Mr. B's channel is where bad thinking goes to die.
Brothers and sisters, it's time to dig a fresh grave.
I loooove this. Your videos are so good!!!! Please do more ♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️♥️
Yes, they're quite cleverly done, and yet quite concise!
Another excellent video!
Christianity is the only religion that explains the existence of other religions. Fallen angels and demons carving out worship for themselves
it just baffles me that someone thought this was a such good idea that they published it in a book
Also, there can be at most only one correct religion, all others must necessarily be at least partially, if not completely, wrong, and it's possible that God exists and all religions are wrong about Him.
or what if all the religions that ever existed are actually true. all the gods are actually in a reality show or something where the one with the most believer ( till the human race goes extinct due to a meteor or nuclear war) will be the winner. the rules of the game are pretty simple. write a book in a language that most future people will not know ( like Arabic, Hebrew, or Latin), occasionally do some miracles to help someone find their car keys ( while millions will be dying due to lack of fresh water in other parts of the globe) but whatever you do, you cannot just call a press conference and clear everything up so that they stop fighting and killing each other in the name of god!
You when you said “the next time they say you’re an Atheist in regard to all other gods just say…” I finished with “Waddo you meme?” 😂
When I read the tweet, I laughed out loud. That makes absolutely no sense. 😂
Don't know why it's such a popular talking point. Even if it did make sense, it doesn't prove anything anyway
The pagan Romans did actually believe that the Christians were atheists for refusing to worship the Roman gods.
I always thought these myths were about the same god with different names because of different languages and cultures
You're brilliant! I have been dumbed lately, I'm sorry. Its a good thing I found and watched your videos and I subscribed to your channel. 😀
Right on time been thinking how to refute this argument God Bless Sir
(Job 38:4)
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the [a]line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
Well now you KNOW bro!
@@LoveYourNeighbour. yeah 2 months ago Bro
Red Pen Logic Hello, nice way of putting that statement and how to shift the argument right back to the origin.
Excellent as always
(Job 38:4)
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the [a]line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
Thank you! Now I just pray that I remember this little nugget when I need it…😁
Yes, sorta. As long as it's explicit that the topic is local atheism specific to identified box clsims.
Hello Mr B, I really enjoy your videos 🙂
you make it fun and you really get your point across and you really explain things about our Lord Jesus Christ so very well.
God bless you my Brother 🙏
love this brother! Great points you make here. my question when someone say's they just go one more God then I do as a Christian when they are an Atheist, is and what God is it that you believe in then? If they answer this then the next might be how then can you believe in a God if you claim to be an Atheist? As atheists seem to believe that something like Space time and matter that's organized and structured came from nothing! by definition Atheism believe there is no God or creator. CRAZY!
Atheist here! Whilst I agree that the term "atheist" applied to someone who believes in a god is literal nonsense, it is done to serve a purpose: an indication of false reasoning. It goes like this:
All the reasons you apply to reject/dismiss the existence of other gods can be equally applied to the rejection/dismissal of your god. Therefore, what makes me an atheist would also make you an atheist, but for the fact that you can't see your own hypocrisy.
Muslims justify their belief by way of a book inspired by god.
Christians justify their belief by way of a book inspired by god.
Muslims point to prophecies in their book as proof it was written/inspired by their god
Christians point to prophecies in their book as proof it was written/inspired by their god
Muslims justify their belief by way of miracles
Christians justify their belief by way of miracles
You all believe in your god for the same reason others believe in their god and you dismiss their god for the exact same reason they dismiss your god.
By talking of being just "one more god" atheist than you, we are trying to show you the valid reasoning you put forward to reject other religions is exactly the same reasoning we use to reject the one religion you have trouble rejecting.
The problem with every other non-christian religion is they have nowhere near the amount of proof to show that they are legitimate. I'm admittedly no expert on every single religion in human history but I'm pretty sure we don't have any other records of kings hundreds of years before they were born like we see in the book of Isiah with Cyrus the great
As an atheist, I agree that this is a stupid argument.
I think the original intention was to get religious people to think about WHY they don’t believe in other gods.
And I mean have a #serious# think about it.
Don’t gloss over it, be honest with yourself about WHY you don’t believe in the Hindu gods or Allah or others
BibleTalk101
I used to believe it.
Was raised to believe it.
Succumbed as a child to the constant Christian propaganda
BibleTalk101
The reason I don’t believe anymore is simple...
I saw that there are no reasons to believe it’s true..
None..
There is no evidence of god...
There are no good arguments for god( they are all fallacious)...
I did the only intellectually honest thing I could...
Stopped believing
LifeBeginsWithChrist
Thanks for the novel...
One serious question...
Why should I believe anything that the bible says??
BibleTalk101
I’m in England 🏴
Where are you?
BibleTalk101
Wait??!!
You believe the bible is true in all regards??
So you think everything was created about 6,000 years ago??
And all the animals created fully formed??
And Adam and Eve?
Noah and the worldwide flood??
You believe all of that is real??
“If you declare with your mouth “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” (Romans 10:9). Now is the time to accept Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior. Obey His commands and repent of your sins because Jesus is coming back soon. Tomorrow isn’t promised.
The stupidity of this objection is only exceeded by the smugness with which Dawkins delivers it.
Great video, bro! And cool of you to involve your better half👌
(Job 38:4)
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the [a]line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
AMEN!!!!!
Come on Mr. B, give yourself a challenge next time.
The original Batman movie Joker is all the evidence I need for the existence of Jack Nicholson.
Great video Mr and Mrs B!
But which Joker is the real Joker. Jack Nicholson? Ceasar Romero? Heath Ledger? Jared Leto? or Joaquin Phoenix? That is the real question. Could the real Joker be a modalist? Modaljoker?
Carl Peterson how about Mark Hamill, the _voice_ of the Joker (hmm, Return of the Jedi Joker? Interesting.....🤔)!
Or Return of the Joking Jedi! Yeah!😄
Obi-Wan: “Use the Force, Kook!” Hee!
@@Mark-cd2wf No because that is heresy. There Joker had a body. That is just a form of docetism. Maybe Joketism. I know that is bad.
The "one less god" argument falls apart anyway. If you are an atheist, you, by definition, believe no deity exists. The one less god means the person you're talking to believes in a god, or God, automatically marking them a monotheist.
I don't understand anything to your point but at least I like your definition of atheism even if it is not the usual one in the English spoken world
Atheist need to be scared about Yahweh burying them. Follow the narrow path. Praise YHVH and his perfected son YHSVH.
why?
The Bible confirms the existence of Pagan Gods. We are forbidden to worship them. So Christians are not Atheists. We are monotheists because of our love for the Most High, not the lower G’s.
People like Dawkins erroneously believe that mocking people is equal to being right. Kinda messed up.
We tend to mock people that make themselves ridiculous. It is human. But sometimes we also try to help them by teaching them logic and scientific approach, it’s like pissing in a violin, so tiring, so laughing is the only solution. Bad luck to you.
@@gide5489 deciding that you don’t understand something and therefore that thing is ridiculous is the epitome of concupiscible ignorance. It’s the opposite of the scientific method. And ending a statement with “bad luck to you” is proof that you have no good will toward others and makes you therefore a hateful and despicable person. I honestly hope you wake up and become a contributing member of society instead.
@@jasonrodgers880 I laugh when I understand. If it is so important to not be mocked, try first not to be ridiculous. If the laugher is a good or bad person is not the first explanation that you have to look at.
And please stop confuse hate and irony. I don't hate you, as I said before the goal is to help you
@@gide5489 you laugh when you understand? Is understanding really so rare for you that it makes you laugh?
No, laughing is certainly an understandable response if 1 - you are too unintelligent to comprehend, or 2 - there’s no logical thought process for the point at discussion.
That said, I’ll give the benefit of the doubt and presume you’re intelligent. And the Christian belief does have a logical process, if you’re honest enough to listen. So the last thing left is hate. I don’t think you know what the word “irony” means since wishing someone bad isn’t irony. It’s just meanness. Try learning what the words are before you use them. And absolutely make sure you know the words being used are before you call them ridiculous. Because you’re the only one sounding ridiculous.
@@jasonrodgers880 You are right on one point, I laugh also when I don't understand like while reading your word salad.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Mr.B you are awesome....
This is the stupidest thing ive heard all year
Do you believe in Zeus? No...then you're "Zeus atheist"...why do you "hate Zeus"? Why are you "angry at Zeus"? Come back to Zeus, he still loves you.
I believe in Jack Nicholson
I genuinely have to assume Dawkins was saying this as a joke because if not i think it calls into question his intelligence.
I personally never heard an athiest say that, but good to know how to counter it. I like these videos.
Several new atheists have made the same argument. AH Dr Dawkins is qouted.
(Job 38:4)
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the [a]line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
AMEN!!!!!
The other assumption is that the quality of YHWH is the same as lesser gods in a didn't ancient pantheon. A monotheistic (regardless of distinction between unitarian or trinitarian) God is not the same as Zeus or thor.
For some of these you might have to switch to crayon so they will understand
There is another point that was missed. Christians, and I believe Muslims as well, believe that there are other spiritual beings besides God. They’re just not God and do not deserve our worship. Idolatry isn’t worshipping ‘a nothing’ that doesn’t exist, but rather treating something that is not God as if it were.
That literally makes no sense. A theist by definition believes in at least one God. What?
I do think this meme is very important for many reasons.
Firstly, it conveys the feeling of being an Atheist to a Christian. The Christians continuously say (just as you said in this video) that Atheists believe that there is no god. but I think the default atheist position is we just lack the belief in god. And this difference can only be expressed to a Christian when he thinks about some god other than yaweh. For example,, do you ACTIVELY disbelief in Thor the god of thunder? Of course not! The idea seems so ridiculous that you basically discard it.
Secondly, this meme is used to question the Christians why they don't believe in Allah or Krishna or Thor. I do agree with you that all gods are not equally ridiculous. For example, I have never read either the old testament or the new testament but I heard that the god of the old testament was particularly awful. Nevertheless, when we atheists are saying that you are an atheist to most of the gods of human history, from the cavemen age to the modern age, what we are trying to say is don't just believe in the god you were brought up to believe. Think about the reasons you don't believe all of the other gods and then see if someone can use a similar line of reasoning to not believe in your particular god.
Of course, a Christian is not actually an Atheist, Richard Dawkins clearly said that you are an atheist when it comes to these particular gods, that doesn't mean you actually are an Atheist.
Dawkin's argument is broken from the beginning, in that it completely discounts the definition of the word atheist. It's mind-boggling to think that anyone who regards themselves as a thinker would ever try to make this point.
Love it man!!!🔥🔥🔥🖍🖍🖍
(Job 38:4)
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the [a]line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
I think one thing you could mention if someone brought that up is bring up the actual meaning of the words. Like atheist basically meaning (believer of NO gods) while we Christians are Theists (believers of gods one or many) but more specifically Monotheists (believers of one God) there are also polytheists (believers of many gods but that more irrelevant)
i saw what you did there, Jack Nicholson is an actual person but the other "Jacks" are fictional characters
On rewatch as well, wanted to note:
I find it interesting the atheist wants to dig another grave for God.
God already had a grave - Joseph of Arimethea's - but He only needed it for three days.
I’m an A-Jack-ist!!!! 😂🤣😂 that was the hilarious because I totally believe Jack Nicholson is an animatronic! LoL
That bit got me too haha 😆
(Job 38:4)
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the [a]line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
Great video, Tim.
God-despising fool (out of one side of his mouth): _"You and I are both atheists. I just believe in one less god than you do, and you just believe in one more god than I do."_
God-despising fool (out of the other side of his mouth): _"You don't get to define what atheism is. That's what I get to do, because I'm the atheist."_
Are you done with the ad hominem? Because the channel is meant to promote Christianity aka love. But yeah, their logic is flawed.
Yahweh will never die because He is the living God.
My man!
(Job 38:4)
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the [a]line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
Oh yes, I also enjoy the variation "Think about why you don't believe in every other god and you'll figure out why I don't believe in yours." To which the logical reply is "You don't believe in Jesus because you DO believe in Jesus? That makes no sense."
David Wood put it this way:
"Suppose we are investigating the origins of this podium. Some might say, well a couple guys got together and built a podium. (Poly-podium-builderism). Others may say, nah we only need one. (Mono-podium-builderism). An atheist would say nah, nobody built this podium."
There is a world of difference.
(Job 38:4)
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the [a]line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
2:44 Shut out 2 my namesake
Now let's flip that line, "Atheists are also Christians, they just believes in one less God than we do."🤣
(Job 38:4)
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the [a]line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
AMEN PRAISE THE LORD!
The part at the end was very smart. Just agree "sure, I'm an atheist in regard to all non-Christian Gods... so what?" I think that's the best way to respond, to get the focus back onto why the Christian God exists. Because a lot of these atheist slogans are specifically designed to obfuscate and derail any meaningful debate, so we're always bogged down bickering over meaningless nonsense instead of getting to the truth (Presuppositionalism is the only 100% certain proof for God). Well done.
The best way to make them understand how bad this is:
"Atheists are saved too. They just go to one less heaven than us"
(Job 38:4)
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the [a]line upon it?
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?
AMEN!!!!!
I do think this meme is very important for many reasons.
Firstly, it conveys the feeling of being an Atheist to a Christian. The Christians continuously say (just as you said in this video) that Atheists believe that there is no god. but I think the default atheist position is we just lack the belief in god. And this difference can only be expressed to a Christian when he thinks about some god other than yaweh. For example,, do you ACTIVELY disbelief in Thor the god of thunder? Of course not! The idea seems so ridiculous that you basically discard it.
Secondly, this meme is used to question the Christians why they don't believe in Allah or Krishna or Thor. I do agree with you that all gods are not equally ridiculous. For example, I have never read either the old testament or the new testament but I heard that the god of the old testament was particularly awful. Nevertheless, when we atheists are saying that you are an atheist to most of the gods of human history, from the cavemen age to the modern age, what we are trying to say is don't just believe in the god you were brought up to believe. Think about the reasons you don't believe all of the other gods and then see if someone can use a similar line of reasoning to not believe in your particular god.
Of course, a Christian is not actually an Atheist, Richard Dawkins clearly said that you are an atheist when it comes to these particular gods, that doesn't mean you actually are an Atheist.
I’ve always hated this statement. Dawkins came up with it… but is hooey. I don’t say Jupiter didn’t exist, neither did Augustine, we both contextualize their gods within our framework.