Watches That Were A Good Value But Sadly Are Not Anymore
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In this video, I take a look at some watches that were long considered definitive points of value for enthusiasts. However, with the ever-growing hype surrounding watch enthusiasm, many of these former icons of value have ascended in price, making them a more challenging proposition than ever before. Which previously value-packed watches would you say have ascended in price in recent years?
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It is ok to buy a watch that doesn't hold value as long as you really love it but just make sure you buy it at the right and reasonable price and don't look back. Enjoy the watch.
Correct
Agreed 100%
@@TeddyBaldassarre yea, if you are looking to buy a watch that holds value, there's not alot of options out there, why limit yourselves to a certain range of watches, where you can enjoy all the options given as long as you buy it at the right price
I agree. Usually the watches which hold their value are super overpriced already. If you plan to keep it, you're spending way more than you should.
Buy a Hamilton or Longines - never hold their value at all, but are great value and finished.
I didnt bought my 556A for value in future..i bought it because it's design and loook 😍
I still love Sinn. Phenomenal design with a no-nonsense approach.
@@TeddyBaldassarre it was the perfect first "serious" watch for me as a introduction to this amazing hobby 😍🙏 thanks a lot to you for great inspiration
I bought my 556 I rs for the same reason. I was luck and found a second hand watch at a great price. Currently my favorite! I watched your video many times till I pulled the trigger
I Bought mine around 2019 from a German Dealer for 1000€ new. Still love my Baby like it’s the first day
Love the 556..
Two lessons:
1) Influencers and the internet community destroys a watch/brand by creating unnecessary hype. Almost all of the watches here are victims of their own hype.
2) People don't want something if they can get it easily.
That’s exactly why the prices shoot up. I’ve seen straight junk being hyped up and the prices went up due to influencers.
On Xmas day, 1985, I received this watch as a gift. Back then, it was called a Seiko Monster. For the first 20 years, it never gained or lost a second. For the last 17 years, it has run about 15 seconds slow. I recently changed the battery for only the sixth time. Now, all of a sudden, it's now running fast! It is quartz and made in Japan. They haven't made it in quartz for a long time. I was 18 when I got it and I'm 55 now. It will be 37 years old on Xmas day, 2022. I'll probably have it until I die. Fantastic timepiece.
Send it in for a service
That's really cool. I have a Seiko Kinetic from 97 or so that my mom got me for my birthday. I was probably about 14 years old, about to turn 40. It stopped working many years ago, I replaced the capacitor, but it never came back to life.
The Rolex Explorer models have drastically increased. Even 2 years ago, both the 14270 and 114270 were around $4000-4500 in excellent condition. Now those same models have doubled and are listed north of $8k.
Yeah tell me about it, I had my eye on a 2016 Polar exp 2 at £5k, but declined an easy purchase. That was in Dec 2019. Now the same watch is £10k, I lost out.
Bought my 114270 in February at €7400 but with a full set and not caring about the value as it was my grail watch. I have wanted it for years and finally was able to buy it at the age of 25, and I didn´t care about the price as I will never ever sell it.
Rolex has completely jumped the shark, Omega is pretty much there too now...
@@toadamine Yep .. They can both get bent... Plenty of other brands brininging it lately with far greater value.
@@toadamine agree, for a watch that is supposed to be rare, it's a scam and mostly marketing. I wanted a rolex until I tried to buy one, couldn't tell me where I could find one, where they were shipped. 7 different AD just tried to sell me another watch, only wanted my one model.. got mad, called corporate as an investor and found out they actually make millions of watches per year. Go look up their cosc numbers. Rare my butt, then on top of that they do this grey market scam ... I'd rather buy a brand that will sell me what I want. I feel like Rolex is a bait and switch operation.
The Speedy Pro (new, used, or vintage) is no longer the screaming deal it was 10 years ago. Still a great watch, but no longer the wild value proposition it was for so long.
I prefer the MK2, much more character and not as common.
@@jabezhane what about the schumaker dials they are neat
I agree. You could get the full size model with hesalite on grey market and gently used for about $3000 around 4 years ago. I will never sell it but glad I didn't wait on buying it.
I’m looking to grab a Seiko Alpinist but its price in the after market has risen quite a bit after discontinued. Perhaps the Alpinist would fall in this category as well. Sadly.
What about the SPB prospex series of the Alpinist?
@@xaviertan358 I don't really like the new series hehe. It just doesn't click with me. I like the classics green Alpinist.
@@jesse113553 the original is the best
I got a sarb017 in 2018. It's since tripled in price. Crazy. Too bad I like it so much I'll never sell 😂
Nice video, Teddy, thank you. Always loved the look of the DJ 16014. I ended up getting a newer model 116200 with smooth bezel, but that love of them is still there.
I work in sales and that Seiko skx used sell really quickly but now it sits in stores
I'm guessing phones are replacing watches.
I'm guessing phones are replacing watches.
Curious where Longines and Tissot fall in terms of past vs. Current prices?
You can put every Rolex sports watch in this list. Once an expensive but attainable piece to represent a life milestone, now something that is unattainable for most and an instrument of speculation.
The older generation Rolex Explorer II models were always a great deal. They were always the less popular of the Rolex Sport watches. I remember when Polar Explorers were around the $5,000 mark in the secondary market. I really regret not getting one when they were available at those sort of prices.
Good list, Teddy. I would add the SARB033/035 too in addition to the others
I’m still watching but the SARB was the first thing that came to my mind. $500 ish msrp for a 6R movement with a classic seiko, clean dial, sapphire crystal, subtle not in your face lume.
I ended up buying a SRPD97J1 which I think matches a lot of the characteristics of the SARB but with a 4R movement.
@@thepanduuh good choice. 38mm is a nice size
Alpinist series too
Solid list Teddy. Oris can def be in this category as well, especially with their Aquis
Agree. Oris aquis was a good watch.. now all of a sudden they have become too much overpriced
Vintage Longines is still good value for money. Before ca. the early-to-mid 60, Rolex didn't really make great movements; Omega and Longines were better. Vintage Omega is on par with Longines, but are more expensive, possibly because of today's difference in their brand status.
Way to go, Teddy. Making another goat video. I've expanded so much about my watch knowledge because of you, tha ks bro. I got my Seiko SKX009J back in October, used no papers for $299. I love it and wear it every Saturday (Seiko Saturdays). I also love the Sinn Hunters watch, but it's so rare to find; if you see this comment, what do you think anout the Sinn Hunters Chrono? I've seen it range from like $4K - $8K.
Hey, Teddy (or anyone with the 556) how is the wear on the anti reflective coating ? I'm in the US, haven't seen one of these in person to ask how its handled the day to day.
My Timex Ironman drastically dropped in price recently.......from $30 value to a price of a single Cheeseburger.....with no bacon.......
I've been collecting for about 20 years, and still find great bargain watches, particularly vintage, that most collectors don't know about. Concord, for example, out-priced Rolex in the 80's. Great high end quartz watches, costing thousands in the 80's, a few hundred bucks now. Seiko VFA's cost as much as a Corolla in the 70's, and finished almost as nice as a GS, few hundred bucks now. If you want something funky, the vintage Seiko Advan's and Vanac's. Yet no TH-camrs are talking about any of these watches.
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@@whereRbearsTeeth Was that funny? Do you own any of those watches?
Not necessarily funny, just a ridiculous comment. And no, I don’t have any desire to collect shitter watches that nobody else wants.
@@whereRbearsTeeth Your ignorance is my gain.
@@matthewknafel8227 🤣alright man, enjoy your 1980s quartz shitters. I’ll enjoy the real watches in my collection
The Omega Constellation with pie pan dial. They vary in popularity but the ONE most sought is sectored dial with arrow head indices.
@Teddy Baldassarre Do you think that the cost of watches is rising (in part) due to the fact that fewer traditional watches are being sold? To keep up with the rising costs of running a business (especially those which only sell timepieces), the product price needs to increase across the board? I would love to hear your thoughts (especially since you are on the customer facing side of the business.)
Here in germany the sinn 556i is about 1.000€, which is fairly priced in my opinion. You get a robust toolwatch With a reliable Swiss movement. Maybe these watches are just More expensive in the U.S. 😅
Vielleicht hol ich mir später auch eine Sinn, sehen echt cool aus
In sweden its about 1.3k euro
Not only good value, but they retain value very well
I think part of it is the expectation that was set over the years. In the US the watches were available for years close to $1,000 and were commonly labeled as the best do it all watches for $1,000 which I would not argue against. Now on a bracelet, they sell for over $1,500 dollars in the US. I would still say it is a good watch for the money but no longer the no-brainer that it might have been years ago. I own one still and don't ever plan to move on from it. I am a huge proponent of Sinn as a manufacturer and still love what they produce.
Great List Teddy. The sad fact I learned the hard way is that if you want a specific watch on this list you may as well save more to get it anyway as opposed to relying on "scratch the itch" alternatives.
Fortis used to be a great deal. Under $2k for a cosmonaut chronograph (I think I paid $1500 for mine in 2017) and the same watch is now ~$3200
Can anyone tell me what the name of the first microbrand is? The dial looks stunning!
Hello Teddy, what do you think of Roamer watches? They are a swiss brand, but are very rarely mentioned on TH-cam. Are they a viable option when it comes to affordable swiss brands? I own a Roamer Searock Automatic and I find the quality great for 500$.
Can you do a video to show what would basically be their replacements in terms of value?
If you want an SKX style watch, Long Island Watch has you covered
what a great, well informed, well backed and eloquent vid. Thanks
Luv Sinn.. wearing my 358 right now. Glad I got years ago at the factory. I also saw my SKX009J double too.
What about Anordain? I am on top of the waiting list, but price for model 1 fume is more than 3000 eur +tax, way more than last year...
What jacket are you wearing?
Exactly what I have been waiting for. Teddy the mind reader mastering his craft.
Love this video’s concept 👍🏻
What nato do you have on that skx009 it looks fantastic.
I just got myself the full bronze oris big crown. For ~$1800 new, not bad for a SW200 movement like the Sinn, and a bronze case and bracelet. Feels like a smart buy for what I wanted
I own a U1 T-SDR, love it. Should have bought it a long time ago but i got it in 2019..took 2 years to finally make the purchase
In the last 2 years, there's been a gold rush in luxury watch industry, not unlike what's going on in stock and real estate market, fueled by all the free money. In my mind, there's no question luxury watch market will be deflated in a big way now that tide is ebbing. The question is who, or if everyone, will be caught with pants down. To paraphrase Warren Buffet, it's only when water is low, you will see who's swimming naked. Also, when Rolex and all the wanna-be's tried to move up the food chain, who will step up to fill that big gaping hole left behind delivering quality at reasonable prices. There will be many for sure. Leading suspects are innovating Chinese brands and small upstarts. My two cents. Enjoy your channel a lot.
3:27 What is ISO compliance?
Would you prefer a Sinn 556 over a Longines Conquest 39 Teddy?
I'd say the 556 competes more with the Longines Spirit than with the Conquest
Love your videos. Really helps teach my about the word of watches. I’m looking for a watch to celebrate my first “real world” job and my budget would be around 1500. Really want something I can look at and appreciate the uniqueness and quality. what would you have in mind? I don’t have a particular style in mind
Anordain Model 1 Fume retail price has gone up from $2000 to $3500 since being featured in at least 3 of your videos.
How about a video of how to size the wrist strap, how tight should you wear your watch, wear should the watch be worse on your wrist.
Hi Teddy what are your thoughts on the Certina DS Action watches. I own the DS Action chronometer 43mm with a quartz movement COSC certified and wiith a 300m dive rating also swiss made. I have a modest watch collection of a Tag Heuer Aquaracer quartz, Tag Heuer Formula 1 quartz, Seiko Solar Chronograph and a Orient Mako automatic which i have i had for ten years which i use as by beater watch. I have quartz movements as i alternate my watches and i do not need to alter the time and date when they are not being worn regularly.
I am enjoying your channel and i am working my way through your playlist I enjoyed you and the Kevin O'Leary video's you both bounce off each other.
Nice sweater Ted, where's my review for the ball engineer ii magneto s
I was able to purchase the Sinn 556i on a leather strap new for 860 Euros in 2019 (RRP in Germany back then 890 Euros). At that point it was definitely a no-brainer.
Amazing watch for the at price!
Just got mine for £850 on leather in UK.
There's no bad value if you really love the watch you're buying/getting. Just get it for the right price.
I think the A Lange and Sohne Saxonia thin. Not long ago you could get one second hand under £10k and new for around £12k I think. Now they’re hard to find used and over £18k from ALS.
If the Sinn 556 is out, what replaces it? The heir isn't apparent.
I was wondering if maybe isn’t there some kind of economic bubble happening around watches at the moment. And also with inflation and the dollar loosing value, as we can see in the housing market as well as the gold market. What do you guys think?
What do you consider the best value for $1,500 (non-diving)? Thanks
Teddy!! can you do a video on D.Dornblüth & Sohn?
Basically inflation ruins everything. Everything omega has basically doubled in the last 5 years...
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Sinn is good value but definitely prices have risen in the last 5 years, wonder what the future holds for Sinn in terms of design and new product development.
@Leader Leads Chats
Please let it be soonest 😅
@Leader Leads Chats well if sinn can drop in price, we can assume everything else will do the same? 2007 was a bad year for stocks and later we went into financial disaster with companies going bankrupt, and banks having to be bailed out by government but Rolex prices did not decrease..
@@danielmelendez9943 Sinn is not Rolex.
@@osman01003 rolex cannot even touch Sinn when it comes to maximizing utility in a watch for under $3k, so u are right. U get a lot more for your money with Sinn. Trust me i own a U1 T- SDR and i also have a Rolex GMT II- purchased brand new in 2005 and all day long, my U1 is a real tool watch with lots of utility. Were as my Rolex is nice to wear but will never perform like my U1.
@@danielmelendez9943 Sir, Rolex is not trying to touch Sinn in utility. It is nothing but a luxury brand, like Patek or JLC. Yes, Rolex watches offer some functional features, but it's not the main selling point, as opposed to Sinn. Enjoy the GMT and the Sinn.
As always, solid analysis. That Sinn is gorgeous, but like their entire line, not to mention all the German makers, I could never justify/rationalize their prices. Other than the basic Junghans Max Bill, my 1 dress watches.
I hope your straight talk on Rolex doesn’t get you sent to the WWPP - Watch Witness Protection Program. 😀
Sinn needs to make the 556, Tegimented, and upgrade to the sw300! Especially for over $1,500!!! For just a couple hundred more you can get a 856, fully tegimented, with an SW300... It makes no sense anymore to ever buy a 556...
I'm really into having a few day date Rolexes and I personally don't need to overpay when it comes to a watch, which 3 years ago was triple less in price as it is now but on the other hand you see them increasing their value and you're willing to pull the trigger before they double the current market value. I know it's a dilemma and kinda controversial opinion but perhaps following your own insticst is the best choice!
with dwindling demand for mechanical watches, most brands are seeking to charge premium to maintain healthy profit margin.
Well, that's only going to make demand for mechanical watches dwindle more. People are not going to pay premiums during the current recession
The reason for skx to go up is that its the most comment mod seiko to go all the pieces are mainly made for that model and the mod seiko commuity is huge
Turns out I purchased my SKX007J1 at just the right time then (as soon a I heard the discontinuation rumours) - I have seen prices more than double since I bought mine
Same,got mine for about a hundred bucks
Teddy where did you get that jacket?
hey Teddy, would really love to have your take on why Sturmanskie Gagarin Heritage isnt worth a fortune right now? Thanks in advance.
Excelente video Teddy. 👏 👏
Teddy please make a video on Universal brand history.
I wonder, are there any current production watches in the $200-300 range expected to go up in value? I know..Sounds like I'm asking if you can look into the future and if you can GREAT, but the real reason is to see if any are worth grabbing for a few years down the road for something like a retirement account type investment..
What’s your view on Squale Teddy?
Bought a vintage military Laco for the esthetics
Best bet on buying any lower end Seiko is at a Macys or other department store when they have a sale. 35% off a Prospect the last time I was looking at one.
I will say Macy's watches are the best watches in general. They usually mainly quartz or solar quartz. Quartz are by far better than mechanical in time keeping, toughness, and maintenance. Quartz are Way way better value. The Macy's quartz watches are better watches. They look the same as mechanical except for the sweeping hand too. High end watches are treated as more like art pieces jewelry. It matters more on the history, the way it looks, and who made the piece then objective utilities of the watches. I mean they still need to work as watches since we are spending a lot money to tell the time, but these watches cant hold a candle even the cheapest quartz watches when keeping time. Citizen quartz, G shocks, and smart watches are the best for utilities purposes. High end watches are really niche. Talk to people on the street. 49 out of 50 think you're crazy spending that much for a watch and that much for the servicing fees. I dont want to discourage anybody because watch collecting is an interesting hobby. A lot of history, engineering, and design. Objectively Macys watches are better watches as watches and sell more because of it.
Seiko 7S26 movement doesn’t hack or handwind,will go and go but is hit and miss on accuracy better to replace it with another seiko movement that hacks and hand winds at least for those two reasons.
is it too small for the hand 7,5inch ??
Stowa have raised their prices hugely over the last few months. Reconsidered buying one
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To be honest, Stowa was charging way too less for a company based in Germany. I got my Stowa with in house hand made hands, 925 silver and very nicely decorated movement (better than in Omega Seamaster 300, for example) for only 1600 EUR. That price was not feaseable on the long term and I expected some changes.
Nonetheless, even with the raised prices, I think Stowa still offers value. I would still buy the second time even for the newer prices.
I really wanted one of the new limited edition 556s, but here in the UK they're £1,285 with a leather strap, not the bracelet. I just couldn't quite convince myself to go through with it.
Is a different colour dial really worth £300..?
Check out "first class watches" in UK. I got mine for £850 on leather only last week
Thanks for the suggestion, I was referring to the red, yellow, green, and blue versions that were announced recently though - haven't seen the price on those ones shift :(
Unless those ones did go down on FCW and I just missed it haha
@@YoRHa_2E ahah! Yep... Give it month or two. What I like about FCW is you can always make them an offer!
@@lukemcevoy2385 I'll keep that in mind haha, hadn't noticed before, thank you!
I'm new to the watch game, but an avid sneaker head, so maybe I can do a comparison of the 2 just to test my understanding? Basically anyone that is make X amount of money is buying these watches/sneakers at Retail/reasonable prices with the motive of driving these prices up, to buy more of them and drive them even higher, leading to a cycle where nothing is obtainable nowadays. When most of them don't even have the same appreciation for the piece and are just profit-driven first. Leaving those longing for them to have a higher demand and continue this vicious cycle. Sound familiar? Rolex=Jordan 1's lol
Having watched All is lost movie, I’ve bought Seiko SKX009 for 550 usd (new old stock). Despite the outdated movement the watch has such a charisma, such a balanced look, so much heritage, that I can’t take it out my wrist for already two weeks. Despite the fact that I have around 30 watches in my collection, some of which are by far more luxurious and expensive.
By the way, I love my Orient Kamasu, which is mentioned in the video as a great value for money, too. I bought the one with green dial for 200 usd. Still the enjoyment not always depends on how good was the bargain.
If you're gonna spend $500 on an skx you might as well build or have built a Seiko mod. Some of these Seiko mods have amazing value for money
I just picked up a sks for $120 I’m so hyped for it to come in.
Probably some Grand Seiko models can join the list. Prices are climbing fast
Teddy, wow! Those are great thoughts.
It’s a coincidence, I watched your “Time to move on from the SKX” just yesterday.
Is that background real?! If so … yah made it in life! Congrats!
I’ve been wearing my SKX009 daily for five years now and still love it!
Value is not really a concern if you love the way it looks on your wrist! I wasn't thinking Value when I got Sergei Fedorov to sign his UD Rookie card in 1990, and there is no Value in buying a Red 1983 Ferrari Mondial QV but if know of one for sale please let me know!
There is a disconnect between your critique of the SKX and how well the watch looks under macro shots.
Cool video I’d definitely like to see more.
It is kinda funny with the SKX because I always thought I shouldn’t buy it nowadays because it isn’t good value anymore. I went back and forth, almost bought the Seiko 5 but then said to myself I love the design of the SKX and nothing can substitute it (there are so slight differences between all those other models, they are just not a SKX) so I bought it for 380€ new and unworn. I know it sounds ridiculous but it just so happened that I started collecting Automatics a tad bit too late. 2 years too late to be exact. But to come to an end, I still think the watch is worth 400 bucks. Yes no hacking and handwinding but the 200m WR plus some unbelievable accurate movement (mine runs 1-5s+- per day at most) and it is durable as hell. I even bought a watchwinder for 200 bucks just for it. I hate paying over retail but for the SKX it was totally worth it.
😜Good choice buying what you wanted , keep it stock don’t mess with it except the strap . I say that because they perish and snap . 🤔
I just made my own Sinn 556A mod. NH35 movement, explorer case. A total strap-monster! Love it!
Love my 556 and it was worth what I paid!
yeah pretty sad to see the price bump .. still saving up
I hear this about Sinn all the time and i wonder why? They regulate their movement and all their models, including their affordable models at 1k$ are antimagnetic. What other brands does that for 1k?
Go up to 2-3k and you get tech from Sinn that you never see other brands do other than maybe Damasko.
Exactly my point... better made. And better bracelets than anything from the Swatch group in a similar price range. You'd have to be touching Omega to get better bracelets, even considering the clasp. At the same price tissot and longines for example still use pin held bracelets and friction clasps.
What do you think of Ball? I have one and it seems to be extremely good value 👍
Ball is a fantastic watch! Had the moon glow a few years back and showed it to an old Watch dealer , he said the quality was as good if not better than Rolex!!
You can still find some nice datejust 1601 for about 4000€ and some nice polerouter date for about 1500€
Every watch in the Sinn catalog is a great value.
Hey teddy can you review an Aragon, they have great value for sub $200.
Seiko SKX (frankly many of Seikos offerings) = poster child for this topic.
Moonswatch going over $1k proves watches are tulips
IMHO the skx013 at market represents value to the smaller wrist folks.
"Toodor?"! If a gal sent you a Valentine's card that had 'flowers' on the front with the caption "Tip-toe through my Tulips" would you think her 'botanical garden' or her 'Pudenda?' ha!
I think Seiko sarb033 can also be added to this list.
teddy my mont blanc heritage GMT salmon dial is on route!
I love it when sinn watches go up. It shows how good they are and it’s worth me keeping my 240.
Also cost of manufacturing goes up .. sinn 4 ever. Well until I get my omega .
I wanna see Teddy do some Casio videos.