Not to dampen the mood but the guy they sent down was 1 month away from being fully vested in MLB’s pension….never pitched again and became a math teacher. Professional sports is a cruel world man…
He still lived out a dream that only the top 1% of the 1% that play a sport get to experience. There’s countless players that got injured in college or high school and never got to experience their dream of playing in the major leagues
@@autonomouspilgrimage6137 while that is a nice silver lining, the human experience is about failure and adjusting to be successful. It's hard to see going from being an almost MLB pensionier to Math teacher as anything but failure, objectively, but I bet, and hope that the mlb player in question feels like it all worked out.
@@animal10.05 it’s also hard to see a dream never come to fruition, end up working a dead end job making nothing, and NEVER make it to the majors. Making it to the majors and playing isn’t a failure….never making it is the true failure if we are being cynical about it
It’s the tiny touches in this scene that make it great. The way Pitt looks at Hill when he adds the “please”, the fact that Hill goes for a second high five and is left hanging really say so much about their characters.
I don't think enough is said about how difficult it is being the GM for a small market team. $225K would be chump change for a team like the Yankees or Dodgers. George Steinbrenner likely wiped his ass with a wad of Benjamins. Even in this movie, the Yankees pay David Justice to play against them.
@@nahor88 Steinbrenner is the 10th richest owner currently in baseball. "Small market" is a bit of a myth when almost every owner is worth billions. $225,000 is chump change for every single one of them. Some of them want to have a winning team and others just own a team to say they own a team but don't actually give a shit.
@@sigmapete1 Every owner is rich yes, but there's a consistent correlation between size of market and owners willing to spend money. Pittsburgh is a small market, has a wealthy owner, but he's a total cheapskate.
Around the time of this movie, the Astros had a real internal document leaked that had e-mails and texts with trade talks and they sounded exactly like this. It's literally fantasy sports for real.
@@dylankrejci9965 lmao funny comment fr, but "sports" already refers to the game played by the players themselves - not sure what the "proper" name of the game played by the owners and managers of the teams is, but it sure is an exclusive one lol
Exactly, I pretty much hate sports but I enjoyed this movie because it almost isn’t about baseball, it’s really a character study and a look at how an old system was revolutionized
Masterclass in acting and film work right here, the ease and realness to the scene is amazing. It done so well because of a few things. 1.) both actors sell the scene. Pitt and Hill do a great job at making the conversation not only between themselves sound so smooth and realistic but also the conversations between them and the others around them. They also know what they’re talking about which helps the scene along. Clearly they did their research to sound as knowledgeable as they could. It comes off smoother and less rigid then when you just rehearse the scene. 2.) silence. No music. It lets you hone in on what they’re talking about rather than grandeur of the situation. This is a BIG trade. There’s alot on the line to get rincón, Most movies would add suspense or a huge song to add to the success of it. 3.) camera work. It’s a simple OTS (over-the-shoulder) shot. No wild camera work to distract you, just simple camera shots to convey what’s most important. The dialogue!
he doesn't that's the mistake but they left it in. you can even see brad pitt kind of fidget afterwards as if he was about to yell cut and redo the scene but he kept rolling instead@@justAman548
@@sn4rl277 It's not really a budget thing, bowls aren't expensive... It's more of a convenience thing, the pressure cooker of constantly wracking your brain to try and build a winning team has you taking shortcuts on the mundane things in life.
@@kaiz3nbergthis is untrue. He was already directly talking to him and he wasn't on mute. The button push WAS the hang up and it happened before he said "call you back"
@@lyingcat9022 I’ve been cut, had teams fold, and also didn’t make it in a couple of tryouts. Tryouts are worst as you feel you controlled it and just didn’t deliver.
I'm so completely un-athletic and a huge nerd and I grew up loving sports. Give me box scores and statistics any day of the week. There is nothing I love more than minutiae.
@@jimmyhunter1810 When stats became a thing in basketball a lot of players were angry at people like you 😂, even though you're the best thing that happened to them. I wish people were data informed like that in all facets of life, especially in serious ones, like Tetlock said. With me i was the stereotypical nerd who's bad at sports and hates them until i went to the gym after school and saw "holy shit, im pretty fricking good!!!"
It comes down to their contract and bargaining power. If you want tip top salary dollar for your proven level of talent, you accept that you can be traded. Players aspire to be valued for their contribution, to be the player the manager does not want to trade. There are players who put player approval requirements for any trade in their contract. That would be a concession that changes the "liquidity" of the player as a financial asset, so the club will offer less salary. It is usually in the interest to young unestablished players to be traded. It may not feel nice to be traded, but they want to go somewhere they are more likely to get played. If you no longer have a manager who is interested in playing you, your career is over. The trade gives you another chance.
I had to take notes myself: He wants Rincon from the Indians, but there are two problems: 1) Rincon is too expensive, and 2) the Indians are already planning on trading him to the Giants. Billy solves problem 2 by offering Venafro (a similar player to Rincon) to the Giants for cheap. He knows the Giants won't accept, but his offer will make them less eager for Rincon. He's so confident that the Giants won't take his offer that he (needlessly) offers Venafro to the Mets before even hearing back from the Giants. Sure enough, the Indians phone back, presumably after learning the Giants don't really want Rincon anymore. Billy then solves problem 1 by offering to pay for Rincon out of his own pocket.
@@cherkovision He got $225,000 and a player for Venafro to solve the financial issue, and he was tired of the manager always bringing him out of the pen instead of the guys Beane wanted to play, which means it wasn’t meaningless to trade Venafro. My bad, I confused Venafro with Magnante. He did clear out salary by dumping Venafro though
@@Rookie_Mode2023 that reminds me of something that I've been wondering: was Billy Beane actually offering to pay for Rincon himself? Or was it just a bluff to get Steve to fork out the money? Like, once Steve found out that Rincon could be sold back for more money, he was okay with footing the bill.
@@cherkovisionthat was my thinking too. Didn't Rincon still have $500k on his contract? so wasn't Billy reliant on selling Venafro and getting $225k one way or another?
I like to imagine that Billy slamming his hands onto the desk after getting the okay from the owner to get Rincon is not because they got him, but because Billy realized he just burned $225,000 out of his own pocket that he won't get back for at least a year if they trade him.
@@Kharnellius Exactly. Billy was daring the owner to not pay up, cleverly using the owner's greed against him to make the point. The truth is Billy was unlikely to make big money on such a gamble, but he is actually likely to make a small amount of money. Ultimately if the owner does not trust Billy is smart enough to make money on this gambit most of the time, the owner should fire Billy and get a new general manager.
My wife and I LOVE this movie. I have been following baseball since I was 10 (1970)...and have been playing fantasy baseball for 35-years...and went to college in the Area and then worked there for 20-years. This movie NEVER gets old! My wife doesn't know a damn thing about sports...let alone baseball. But she is in love with Brad Pitt. LOL!
I ---LOVE-- this movie.. I have watched it tons of times, own it in bluray and can never get enough of it.. This and Draft Day.. both so intriguing.. the acting so spot on and awesome.. Both take you in totally into the story lines and into the emotions involved .. This bit with Billy negotiating for Rincon.. The total best..
When he says he's paying for himself, does he mean literally that he is paying from his own bank savings (himself as a private citizen) or from his already allocated company budget (himself as a team manager), i.e., not asking the owner for additional money injection for the team...?
In case anyone wonders what the hell went on here: Summarizing Billy wants Rincon, Rincon costs 500K and there’s another team looking to buy him. He calls this team and offers a good (Venafro) trade to make them back off on the Rincon buyout for a little bit. He then gets a better deal with another team for Venafro and 250K. But at the same time now Rincons team thinks Billy in the only option as the other interested team now thinks Billy is still offering this provisional great deal. Billy talks to the owner to get the other 250K and buys Rincon. The other interested team just got played thinking Billy was offering a great deal and then quickly backed off.
FTR, Magnante made 5.6 million in 12 seasons. Last I checked a a regular pension is 33,000 at 45, or as much as 110,000 if he waits til 60, I think? The full pension is double those numbers. Also keep in mind that a major leaguer gets that basic pension after only 43 service days. And lifetime health coverage after a single day.
@@jacktorrance2633no they don’t, you can loan them and transfer them to other teams but you will hardly ever see a player get traded for another player especially in europe, trading in soccer is basically just buying out a contract not like actual trades in MLB or NFL
He actually wasn’t sent down he was DFA. Yeah that’s the saddest part of this scene you are right he was close to getting a full pension and he never received it
I believe in the book they had a two hour deadline for some reason. So, not quite as fast as this but relatively reasonable given the Hollywood treatment.
I love this movie and respect that Brad Pitt stayed with it for years to get it done. In this scene Jonah Hill is drinking coffee from a cup they got from State Farm. It is a subtle way of showing how they had to scrimp in the same way the players had to pay for soda. Before I retired Walmart was a client. In their conference rooms all the note pads and ink pens were an assortment of other company brands. One time I asked about that and the answer was when any of them were at a trade show or a conference they were encouraged to collect all the left over pads and pens the sponsor provided. They were about $400 billion in annual revenue at the time. I was told that whenever the leadership attended a Wall Street road show the CEO and CFO shared a room at Hampton Inn or something similar.
these scenes make a great movie. Dialogue is everything there is for me in a series or a movie. This movie is one of the greatest in my books alongside with good will hunting, goodfellas, breaking bad, game of thrones. Three completely diffrent shows and i dont even know anything about baseball.
Giants should have won it all that year. Game 6 still breaks my heart. Barry should have got his ring. Even 2010, 2012, and 2014 can't make me get over 2002.
Billy Beane (Brad Pitt) is trying to acquire a high end reliever from the Indians (Rincon). He contacts the GM of the Indians for Rincon, but discovers that another GM is pressuring the Indians GM for Rincon. So Beane and his assistant GM (Jonah Hill) brainstorm on who might be pursuing Rincon (narrowing down the list to either the Giants or Mets, since both of them might be looking for a lefty reliever). He offers a pitcher (Venefroe) he's willing to part with to the Giants GM for a random reliever. Basically, Venefroe is similar to Rincon, but a bit worse than Rincon (basically, cheaper bait that might interest the other GMs since he would cost less than Rincon). After discussing with the Giants GM, he calls back the Indians GM and realizes that the Giants were not the ones asking for Rincon (since the Giants have a number of other relievers). He immediately goes hard onto the Mets GM, basically offering Venefroe for almost nothing (a random prospect in the Mets' system). The Mets GM accepts after Beane says that the Indians GM is already trading away Rincon (basically a bit of a white lie to advance his aggressive negotiation). So now, since Beane is the only one offering anything for Rincon, the Indians GM accepts Beane's offer for Rincon. However, since the owner of the A's is notoriously stingy, Beane has to ask for some money to pay for the remainder of Rincon's salary (about $300K). Beane puts his own salary on the block to pay for Rincon's remaining salary for the season (which is how badly he wants Rincon).
Can we all just give Suzanne a round of applause getting all them people on the phone so quick
Suzanne had them all on shortcuts or speeddial
Guys, thats the last day of the playee trade offs. Every manager would grow roots near the phone during them last 24 hours.
@ExcitedBaseball-xq1nr I thought it was real I didn’t know they recreated it
Good secretary is worth their weight in gold
She is Asian, enough said 😁
Not to dampen the mood but the guy they sent down was 1 month away from being fully vested in MLB’s pension….never pitched again and became a math teacher. Professional sports is a cruel world man…
He still lived out a dream that only the top 1% of the 1% that play a sport get to experience. There’s countless players that got injured in college or high school and never got to experience their dream of playing in the major leagues
Who was it?
@@autonomouspilgrimage6137 while that is a nice silver lining, the human experience is about failure and adjusting to be successful. It's hard to see going from being an almost MLB pensionier to Math teacher as anything but failure, objectively, but I bet, and hope that the mlb player in question feels like it all worked out.
@@animal10.05 it’s also hard to see a dream never come to fruition, end up working a dead end job making nothing, and NEVER make it to the majors.
Making it to the majors and playing isn’t a failure….never making it is the true failure if we are being cynical about it
@@darthjar9117Mike Magnante
“You don’t even know who Eckerton is” always kills me 😂😂😂
Is Venefro hurt?
Spitting out the popcorn kernel always kills me too lol
@@csaldana1989his cleaners must have hated him as much as Art the head coach.
Live this
It’s the tiny touches in this scene that make it great. The way Pitt looks at Hill when he adds the “please”, the fact that Hill goes for a second high five and is left hanging really say so much about their characters.
I've seen this movie at least a dozen times, and every time I hear him referring to "Anderson" as "Michaelson" it kills me 🤣
And every time the other GMs come back with “______? I like _____.” “You don’t even know who _____ is.”
@@gurk_the_magnificent9008 or my favorite "No you don't, nobody does! I don't even know why I'm doing this!"
one of my all time favs...
Missing on the second high five is blasphemy
Why? You don't even know who Anderson is.
I realize this is a movie adaptation, but I love watching people who are excellent at what they do.
I don't think enough is said about how difficult it is being the GM for a small market team. $225K would be chump change for a team like the Yankees or Dodgers. George Steinbrenner likely wiped his ass with a wad of Benjamins.
Even in this movie, the Yankees pay David Justice to play against them.
its the most realistic sports movie, and I love that they focuses on the behind the scenes and not the sport itself
@@nahor88 Steinbrenner is the 10th richest owner currently in baseball. "Small market" is a bit of a myth when almost every owner is worth billions. $225,000 is chump change for every single one of them.
Some of them want to have a winning team and others just own a team to say they own a team but don't actually give a shit.
@@sigmapete1 Every owner is rich yes, but there's a consistent correlation between size of market and owners willing to spend money. Pittsburgh is a small market, has a wealthy owner, but he's a total cheapskate.
@@oldben1800 because its based on a true story?
Around the time of this movie, the Astros had a real internal document leaked that had e-mails and texts with trade talks and they sounded exactly like this. It's literally fantasy sports for real.
“Fantasy sports for real”…. So….. sports?
@@dylankrejci9965 lmao funny comment fr, but "sports" already refers to the game played by the players themselves - not sure what the "proper" name of the game played by the owners and managers of the teams is, but it sure is an exclusive one lol
Maybe that's why this scene feels authentic.
@@dylankrejci9965i think the OP is trying to say that we think GMs sound like Harvard Lawyers when in reality they sound like 2 dudes in a bar
@@dylankrejci9965ironic you’re trying to be condescending but missed their point entirely
The acting. The chemistry. This movie is amazing even for non baseball fans.
This is probably Brad Pitt's finest acting.
i agree. Im not the biggest Pitt fan but hes money in this. Pun intended.
@@eadams1057 and Jonah is ball? That's body shaming
Exactly, I pretty much hate sports but I enjoyed this movie because it almost isn’t about baseball, it’s really a character study and a look at how an old system was revolutionized
Snatch fans would disagree. However, this flick is a solid 1b. Cheers.
The role of a lifetime, perfect casting for both these guys.
"Yes, I, I added the please at the end" 🤣4:18
Pitt's reaction to that little bit was really good
He conveyed a mixture of amusement, disgust and affection all at once in one little look
EVERYTHING about this movie is gold, not one false step. Zero. Absolutely fantastic!
Suzanne was later traded to Boston for a clerk to be named later.
I think it was Denise, acquired from the Mets.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nice
She should’ve gotten on base more often
Get Australia 🇦🇺 on the line, we'll take Suzanne 😂
I like the little detail of him using a drip coffee filter as a popcorn bowl.
Maybe, but it looks to me like those little paper plates hotdogs are served on at ballgames and carnivals.
Masterclass in acting and film work right here, the ease and realness to the scene is amazing. It done so well because of a few things.
1.) both actors sell the scene. Pitt and Hill do a great job at making the conversation not only between themselves sound so smooth and realistic but also the conversations between them and the others around them. They also know what they’re talking about which helps the scene along. Clearly they did their research to sound as knowledgeable as they could. It comes off smoother and less rigid then when you just rehearse the scene.
2.) silence. No music. It lets you hone in on what they’re talking about rather than grandeur of the situation. This is a BIG trade. There’s alot on the line to get rincón, Most movies would add suspense or a huge song to add to the success of it.
3.) camera work. It’s a simple OTS (over-the-shoulder) shot. No wild camera work to distract you, just simple camera shots to convey what’s most important. The dialogue!
Honkey fan thinks he knows bAseball
"who am i getting fleeced for?" 😂😂
I don't know what happened, but it was very exciting.
😂😂
same
I laugh so hard when he 1. hits the “end call” button, and THEN 2. says “call you back.”
That and the assistant going in for the second high five and Billy's already moved on. Every time.
..that was the mute button.
@@killthecardinals Nah. He never muted himself on that call, which is why they are whispering. In other calls, they use the mute, but not that one.
@@killthecardinalsif that was the mute button, when does he hang up?
he doesn't that's the mistake but they left it in. you can even see brad pitt kind of fidget afterwards as if he was about to yell cut and redo the scene but he kept rolling instead@@justAman548
0:33 I always loved how he hung up on him *FIRST* and then said "call you back"😂
He’s eating popcorn out of a coffee filter! 😂 great detail
I love it! "If it's stupid and it works, it's not stupid."
Yes, attention to details. Sells that they are on a shoe string budget.
I do that all the time! 🍿
@@sn4rl277 It's not really a budget thing, bowls aren't expensive... It's more of a convenience thing, the pressure cooker of constantly wracking your brain to try and build a winning team has you taking shortcuts on the mundane things in life.
And Pitt is known for his acting while eating. Watch any of the Oceans movies.
This is my favorite Pitt role. I wonder where he rates it on his list of accomplishments.
totally agree. Not a huge fan but awesome in this.
@@eadams1057 He was awesome in so many roles love him or not.
Its top 3
After the big short and true romance
But certainly his best lead
@@ristorantanen5769 Brad Pitt has stated his favorite role is as Jesse James (The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford)
@@ristorantanen5769 snatch and fight club imo
Suzenne is a hell of a secretary..
She then got an offer from the Sox, which would've been the highest secretary salary of all time in all of spirts.
@@robertvanderwall6919 so basically she's the Donna of the baseball world.
Alexa
I appreciate that he hung up the phone before saying "call you back".
He unmuted it because he’d muted it before to talk to Jonah’s character
@@kaiz3nberg Finally! I know Brad Pitt would never make that kind of mistake -- but it really looked like it until you explained the reason.
@@kaiz3nbergthis is untrue. He was already directly talking to him and he wasn't on mute. The button push WAS the hang up and it happened before he said "call you back"
0:33 he hangs up before saying call you back 😂
4:26 The look when he says please lol, "dont ruin it man!"
4:20 It’s interesting how Billy makes a disapproving face when Peter say please at the offer, it’s like a dad to his son
i need a flow diagram of this
"because im amazinggg 😏"
gotta love this character
The thumbnail makes me believe Brad Pitt could play Steve Irvin in a movie.
Brooooooo. I'm on board, but there are so many great Aussie Actors. Be a shame to give it to a yank.
No way could he do Steve's accent. I've met Ozzies who can't do it
Steve Irwin you mean?
@@Turdfurgasonschode yup. Care so little about the internet it took 3 months to even notice lol
@@averiezonn8663Brad pit instantly makes the movie more money
As a former player I smile at this meat market. These are people being dealt. If you’ve never been traded…you don’t know the feeling.
You've not been trade yourself lmao
Did you get traded from little league?
Better than getting cut :)
@@lyingcat9022 I’ve been cut, had teams fold, and also didn’t make it in a couple of tryouts. Tryouts are worst as you feel you controlled it and just didn’t deliver.
@@MMAjsf7 I played ice hockey
“No you don’t nobody likes Anderson” 😂
Michaelson 😂
How i feel making my yearly fantasy football trade with my brother or father.
Him hanging up before saying "I'll call you back" was a nice touch.
Weirdly my favorite part is when he's eating popcorn and has to spit it out mid chew.. Kills me everytime
Damn it, now I need to watch this movie again.
4:54 Jonah Hill is amazing in this movie. A great actor!
He really is. He looks like some guy you would see in the grocery store anyday
at 0:36 he hangs up before saying "call you back" 😄
Gotta imagine the level of excitement they feel can be overwhelming at times that leads to stuff like this
Add more realism I think
Pete is too funny, you can see he's very passionate but also a socially inapt nerd who's trying to get into sports.
I'm so completely un-athletic and a huge nerd and I grew up loving sports. Give me box scores and statistics any day of the week. There is nothing I love more than minutiae.
@@jimmyhunter1810 When stats became a thing in basketball a lot of players were angry at people like you 😂, even though you're the best thing that happened to them. I wish people were data informed like that in all facets of life, especially in serious ones, like Tetlock said. With me i was the stereotypical nerd who's bad at sports and hates them until i went to the gym after school and saw "holy shit, im pretty fricking good!!!"
The awkward second go for a high five transitioning into a thoughtful mouth hold 😂
I'm weird. I love baseball, and to me everything about it is magic. Even this kind of magic.
Crazy how 90% of the best baseball players in the world are living their life like they’re object getting traded and traded
It comes down to their contract and bargaining power. If you want tip top salary dollar for your proven level of talent, you accept that you can be traded. Players aspire to be valued for their contribution, to be the player the manager does not want to trade. There are players who put player approval requirements for any trade in their contract. That would be a concession that changes the "liquidity" of the player as a financial asset, so the club will offer less salary.
It is usually in the interest to young unestablished players to be traded. It may not feel nice to be traded, but they want to go somewhere they are more likely to get played. If you no longer have a manager who is interested in playing you, your career is over. The trade gives you another chance.
I could watch this scene 100 times and still never fully understand WTF just happened...
I had to take notes myself:
He wants Rincon from the Indians, but there are two problems: 1) Rincon is too expensive, and 2) the Indians are already planning on trading him to the Giants.
Billy solves problem 2 by offering Venafro (a similar player to Rincon) to the Giants for cheap. He knows the Giants won't accept, but his offer will make them less eager for Rincon. He's so confident that the Giants won't take his offer that he (needlessly) offers Venafro to the Mets before even hearing back from the Giants.
Sure enough, the Indians phone back, presumably after learning the Giants don't really want Rincon anymore. Billy then solves problem 1 by offering to pay for Rincon out of his own pocket.
@@cherkovision He got $225,000 and a player for Venafro to solve the financial issue, and he was tired of the manager always bringing him out of the pen instead of the guys Beane wanted to play, which means it wasn’t meaningless to trade Venafro.
My bad, I confused Venafro with Magnante. He did clear out salary by dumping Venafro though
@@cherkovisionBilly paying for Rincon out of his own pocket hits different in 2024 when you realize how cheap the A's are in real life.
@@Rookie_Mode2023 that reminds me of something that I've been wondering: was Billy Beane actually offering to pay for Rincon himself? Or was it just a bluff to get Steve to fork out the money? Like, once Steve found out that Rincon could be sold back for more money, he was okay with footing the bill.
@@cherkovisionthat was my thinking too. Didn't Rincon still have $500k on his contract? so wasn't Billy reliant on selling Venafro and getting $225k one way or another?
"I added the please" 😂
“Why would I call Phillips?”
lol
Sounds like my first time in the sheets. I had no idea what was going on but it was very exciting.
Any stories?
Who would have thought that two guys sitting in an office making phone calls could be so engrossing? Great movie!
I like to imagine that Billy slamming his hands onto the desk after getting the okay from the owner to get Rincon is not because they got him, but because Billy realized he just burned $225,000 out of his own pocket that he won't get back for at least a year if they trade him.
The owner fronted the money. He used that tactic to get the owner to pay for Rincon instead.
@@Kharnellius Exactly. Billy was daring the owner to not pay up, cleverly using the owner's greed against him to make the point.
The truth is Billy was unlikely to make big money on such a gamble, but he is actually likely to make a small amount of money. Ultimately if the owner does not trust Billy is smart enough to make money on this gambit most of the time, the owner should fire Billy and get a new general manager.
yes, I added the please
4:25 Billy shoots him a quick look like “why’d you say please” lmfao
This will forever be my favorite moneyball scene
Great movie, I've seen it many times.
My wife and I LOVE this movie.
I have been following baseball since I was 10 (1970)...and have been playing fantasy baseball for 35-years...and went to college in the Area and then worked there for 20-years. This movie NEVER gets old!
My wife doesn't know a damn thing about sports...let alone baseball. But she is in love with Brad Pitt. LOL!
Brad's fist pump at 3:48 was great, but Jonah's hand clench at 4:58 deserves an Oscar
0:36 He hangs up before saying "call you back" 😂😂
I ---LOVE-- this movie.. I have watched it tons of times, own it in bluray and can never get enough of it.. This and Draft Day.. both so intriguing.. the acting so spot on and awesome.. Both take you in totally into the story lines and into the emotions involved ..
This bit with Billy negotiating for Rincon.. The total best..
When he says he's paying for himself, does he mean literally that he is paying from his own bank savings (himself as a private citizen) or from his already allocated company budget (himself as a team manager), i.e., not asking the owner for additional money injection for the team...?
Yes
He explained it. He said when he sells(trades) Rincon for cash the next season for more than $250K he gets to keep the profit.
In case anyone wonders what the hell went on here:
Summarizing
Billy wants Rincon, Rincon costs 500K and there’s another team looking to buy him.
He calls this team and offers a good (Venafro) trade to make them back off on the Rincon buyout for a little bit.
He then gets a better deal with another team for Venafro and 250K.
But at the same time now Rincons team thinks Billy in the only option as the other interested team now thinks Billy is still offering this provisional great deal.
Billy talks to the owner to get the other 250K and buys Rincon.
The other interested team just got played thinking Billy was offering a great deal and then quickly backed off.
Bruh how Billy went from not knowing him to trusting him is everything. Trust is everything in life.
FTR, Magnante made 5.6 million in 12 seasons. Last I checked a a regular pension is 33,000 at 45, or as much as 110,000 if he waits til 60, I think? The full pension is double those numbers. Also keep in mind that a major leaguer gets that basic pension after only 43 service days. And lifetime health coverage after a single day.
I like the error at the 37 second mark where he hits the hang up button and then says that he will call him back.
Love how he hung up and then said call you back lol 😂
The quiet clenching of the fist as the owner agrees to put up the money to pay for Rincon😅
I'm british I don't understand a single thing in this scene and yet its brilliantly watchable…. Pure genius writing ❤️
Soccer players get traded don't they?
And don't say "Football" because you guys named it Soccer.
@@jacktorrance2633no they don’t, you can loan them and transfer them to other teams but you will hardly ever see a player get traded for another player especially in europe, trading in soccer is basically just buying out a contract not like actual trades in MLB or NFL
I like how he hangs up on him before saying "I'll call ya back"
"Yes, I added the 'please' at the end." Works for me.
Such a great movie..the lines are perfect ..Brad you nail this one 💯%
The comedic timing of him spitting that popcorn out was amazing
Pete saying that Peña is an all-star and saying that it was a bad mood to trade him literally went against his whole theory
This is classic Win-Win deal making; everyone gets something they can be happy with.
Except for the guy who loses his pension and forced to become q maths teacher
Except the players that are traded like objects, without considering anything about them.
Except when they dont pan out. Remember that Nets trade for a "super team" was "legendary win win".
Until you have to send someone down a league. Where it can be a couple of seasons of Triple AAA until you make it to The Show again.
But sometimes there’s Win Win Win
0.36 he hangs up AND THEN says call you back :P
I am not sure about this, but it seems that the Michaelson /Anderson mistake wasnt on script but Brad sold it so well it looks part of it.
He actually wasn’t sent down he was DFA. Yeah that’s the saddest part of this scene you are right he was close to getting a full pension and he never received it
Just once I'd like to hear Billy Beane say "This is somewhat true"....meaning calls like this to make trades... LOL
This scene is fairly true to what happened in real life as documented by Michael Lewis in his book, on which the movie was based.
@@mrpink99 Very cool! Thanks!
@@itsnotme07 The timeline is compressed, though, in order to make it a "scene". How many phone calls took place in a 5 minute timeframe?
@@cvindustries Sure, I agree...but what if it was real time like that? Crazy right? Haha.
I believe in the book they had a two hour deadline for some reason. So, not quite as fast as this but relatively reasonable given the Hollywood treatment.
suzanne deserves a box of chocolates and a raise for how she coordinated this joint strike MY GAAAHD
I love this movie and respect that Brad Pitt stayed with it for years to get it done. In this scene Jonah Hill is drinking coffee from a cup they got from State Farm. It is a subtle way of showing how they had to scrimp in the same way the players had to pay for soda. Before I retired Walmart was a client. In their conference rooms all the note pads and ink pens were an assortment of other company brands. One time I asked about that and the answer was when any of them were at a trade show or a conference they were encouraged to collect all the left over pads and pens the sponsor provided. They were about $400 billion in annual revenue at the time. I was told that whenever the leadership attended a Wall Street road show the CEO and CFO shared a room at Hampton Inn or something similar.
He hung up--and then said ill call you back😳
So was Billy serious when he said he’d pay for Rincone himself but he’s keeping the profit or was that just a bluff to get Schot to give in?
Yes.
Considering Rincon hung around until 2005 I'd say it was a bluff.
He cuts off call and then says I'll call you back.
I didn't understand a word of this but it all sounds good.
pitt and jonah had such great chemistry in this movie
I love how Shapiro gets absolutely schooled in this video, and then my Jays decided that was the man they wanted to hire. FML
This scene is on par with the futures trading scene at the end of Trading Places for making my head hurt.
See, I don’t even know his name, he sounds like an Oakland A already.
these scenes make a great movie. Dialogue is everything there is for me in a series or a movie. This movie is one of the greatest in my books alongside with good will hunting, goodfellas, breaking bad, game of thrones. Three completely diffrent shows and i dont even know anything about baseball.
“Hardcore.” Gets me EVERY time 😂😂😂
Great dialogue in this scene, great acting 👏
One of my favorite movies ever. I can't tell u the last at bat I've watched of baseball
Best line ever when he goes "26? Double A? Forget it" To talk about a person like that haha
Shapiro’s line, “are you referring to Rincon” is hilarious IMO.
That was some professional, major league level phone tagging
Brad spitting out his popcorn is just too funny 🤣
Jonah Hill has scarily small hands 😂❤
The way he grabs the popcorn 😂
Giants should have won it all that year. Game 6 still breaks my heart. Barry should have got his ring.
Even 2010, 2012, and 2014 can't make me get over 2002.
Peter drinking from a state farm mug is classic
Someone needs to break this scene down and explain exactly what’s going on and who is benefitting and how because a lot of this went over my head.
Billy Beane (Brad Pitt) is trying to acquire a high end reliever from the Indians (Rincon). He contacts the GM of the Indians for Rincon, but discovers that another GM is pressuring the Indians GM for Rincon. So Beane and his assistant GM (Jonah Hill) brainstorm on who might be pursuing Rincon (narrowing down the list to either the Giants or Mets, since both of them might be looking for a lefty reliever).
He offers a pitcher (Venefroe) he's willing to part with to the Giants GM for a random reliever. Basically, Venefroe is similar to Rincon, but a bit worse than Rincon (basically, cheaper bait that might interest the other GMs since he would cost less than Rincon). After discussing with the Giants GM, he calls back the Indians GM and realizes that the Giants were not the ones asking for Rincon (since the Giants have a number of other relievers). He immediately goes hard onto the Mets GM, basically offering Venefroe for almost nothing (a random prospect in the Mets' system). The Mets GM accepts after Beane says that the Indians GM is already trading away Rincon (basically a bit of a white lie to advance his aggressive negotiation).
So now, since Beane is the only one offering anything for Rincon, the Indians GM accepts Beane's offer for Rincon. However, since the owner of the A's is notoriously stingy, Beane has to ask for some money to pay for the remainder of Rincon's salary (about $300K). Beane puts his own salary on the block to pay for Rincon's remaining salary for the season (which is how badly he wants Rincon).
@@DanielKi199 now that is a reply. Thanks very much!
4:59 when you win an auction on ebay for something youve always wanted.
It's so sad how the A" have deteriorated on purpose.
What do you mean?
@@aquiro it's the complete opposite of the movie.
pathetic - yes ... sad - NO
0:35 just realized he hung up before telling him he will call back and it looks like brad realizes this, but keeps on acting :D
Added more realism
Would love to hear all the clerks behind the scenes chats while they are getting their gms on the phone
I don't have time to watch the full movie again so I will just watch 50 3-5 min clips.
After watching Baseball for over 60 years - Dam I like that show.
Me pulling off a fantasy trade for a TE I have a good feeling about who ends up with 3 PPG
That was a super athletic play back then even though both of his feet didn't even leave the ground.
Dialogue in this film is unbeatable
For someone not interested in baseball, but knows the game, this is a very interesting movie. Slow, and not a lot of "action," but interesting.
This was such an expert negotiation, he didn’t even have to trade anyone for Rincon