When Nomar Garciapara was traded mid-season, Red Sox fans were stupefied. Yet, that year, they won their first World Series. It's not always about individual numbers, but more about team morale.
I think this is a quite harsh but probably accurate depiction on how trades are made. I was an off-ice official for a top level Ice Hockey team in the UK for 13 years, i have talked and met with hundreds of ECHL & AHL level players. Pretty much all of them i've asked that have been traded say you get told by the coach to see the GM or the coach/GM at ECHL level. He sits you down and advises you he's looking to trade you in the next day or so. That's if you're lucky, sometimes you just get pulled out of practice or told not to dress because you've been traded. No such thing as an NTC or NTA at the AA or AAA level...
Not really. They made it pretty clear when Billy says he's "going to be an all-star" and the coach CLEARLY wants Pena and not Hatteburg to be starting. The anxiety Pete has for trading away a solid baseball player, etc. I don't think Billy wanted to trade Pena, but Mr. Coach didn't give him a choice. He kept ignoring explicitly what he and Pete were trying to do. If anything, the anxiety and panic was built up in this episode to the "greatest" speech in this movie: "You may not look like a winning team, but you are one. So play like one" They just lost Giambi! Pena! etc. They're screwed! Morale was clearly at an all-time low after they lost key and prominent, well playing players.
@ that’s not what I said at all. I’m saying that in 2002, Carlos Pena was hitting .200 and was a strikeout machine. He wasn’t going to be an all-star. It wasn’t until years later when he went to Tampa that he made his one and only all-star appearance. By the time he was traded he had already been supplanted by Scott Hatteberg. The A’s made that trade to bring in Ted Lilly to help reinforce what was already the best pitching staff in the AL which that, along with MVP Miguel Tejada is the reason they were good. But that doesn’t make an interesting movie which I understand.
@ Oh gotcha. Yea, I'm not sure what the numbers represent tbh, and I'm not the biggest baseball fan hence why I misunderstood. I get what you're saying, but they did it for better movie watching. You always need a "villain", whether the villain be a physical person or machine, or something intangible such as time or luck.
@@JackedBlackoh it definitely made for a better movie. It’s like the movie Rudy. As you said they needed a villain so they made the head coach the villain even though in real life he supported Rudy.
@johnnyd63 it seems absurd. In football, it's not like this at all. Sure, the club will pressure the player to go but no way anything like this would happen. How do teams negotiate his salary?
@@alexandrefernandes3941 you dont trade players, you trade contracts. salary is stipulated in the contract. if the new club acquires a players contract, they take on their salary
When Billy Says : I 'll tell him. You knew he was pissed at the action of Jeremy in the Locker Room.
“Do you want this door closed?”
" When you get the answer you're looking for hang up..." TRUTH 💯
That moment when Beane tells Peter to break the news to Carlos Pena, haha! How many of us felt the anxiety with him? I know I did.
"Jeremy is gone too" 🤣
The same guy Beane wanted to sign earlier in the movie.
When Nomar Garciapara was traded mid-season, Red Sox fans were stupefied. Yet, that year, they won their first World Series. It's not always about individual numbers, but more about team morale.
Nomah! Lol.
I think this is a quite harsh but probably accurate depiction on how trades are made.
I was an off-ice official for a top level Ice Hockey team in the UK for 13 years, i have talked and met with hundreds of ECHL & AHL level players. Pretty much all of them i've asked that have been traded say you get told by the coach to see the GM or the coach/GM at ECHL level. He sits you down and advises you he's looking to trade you in the next day or so. That's if you're lucky, sometimes you just get pulled out of practice or told not to dress because you've been traded.
No such thing as an NTC or NTA at the AA or AAA level...
Pena was hitting .200. They make him seem like Lou Gehrig in this movie
Not really. They made it pretty clear when Billy says he's "going to be an all-star" and the coach CLEARLY wants Pena and not Hatteburg to be starting. The anxiety Pete has for trading away a solid baseball player, etc.
I don't think Billy wanted to trade Pena, but Mr. Coach didn't give him a choice. He kept ignoring explicitly what he and Pete were trying to do. If anything, the anxiety and panic was built up in this episode to the "greatest" speech in this movie: "You may not look like a winning team, but you are one. So play like one"
They just lost Giambi! Pena! etc. They're screwed! Morale was clearly at an all-time low after they lost key and prominent, well playing players.
@ that’s not what I said at all. I’m saying that in 2002, Carlos Pena was hitting .200 and was a strikeout machine. He wasn’t going to be an all-star. It wasn’t until years later when he went to Tampa that he made his one and only all-star appearance. By the time he was traded he had already been supplanted by Scott Hatteberg. The A’s made that trade to bring in Ted Lilly to help reinforce what was already the best pitching staff in the AL which that, along with MVP Miguel Tejada is the reason they were good.
But that doesn’t make an interesting movie which I understand.
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Oh gotcha.
Yea, I'm not sure what the numbers represent tbh, and I'm not the biggest baseball fan hence why I misunderstood.
I get what you're saying, but they did it for better movie watching. You always need a "villain", whether the villain be a physical person or machine, or something intangible such as time or luck.
@@JackedBlackoh it definitely made for a better movie. It’s like the movie Rudy. As you said they needed a villain so they made the head coach the villain even though in real life he supported Rudy.
Super akward scene. So much tense situations and ghs oeech at the end was king of akward. Love it ha ha
"I could do this all day long."
I told you so Pete !
"💯%"
Hard to feel bad for folks who make this kind of money playing a game.
So...
Wait. Players don´t have a say in those transfers?
Not really...5-10 players can veto a trade or a no trade clause in contract. Otherwise..."see ya".
@johnnyd63 it seems absurd. In football, it's not like this at all. Sure, the club will pressure the player to go but no way anything like this would happen. How do teams negotiate his salary?
@@alexandrefernandes3941 you dont trade players, you trade contracts. salary is stipulated in the contract. if the new club acquires a players contract, they take on their salary
The contract simply transfer to the other team Sometimes the team who trades them away will pay some of the remaining salary as part of the trade.
Like that in all North American pro sports
Go team
Lmao
Why is pitt always stuffing his face?every movie hes eating.weird