Building a Winning Team Through Numbers | Moneyball (Brad Pitt, Jonah Hill)
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- In this particular scene, my dears, we find Billy (Brad Pitt) and his astute team meticulously evaluating their strategy. It's in this intellectual arena that David (Stephen Bishop) challenges the guidance of Peter (Jonah Hill).
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🎬Moneyball (2011): Billy Beane (Brad Pitt), general manager of the Oakland A's, one day has an epiphany: Baseball's conventional wisdom is all wrong. Faced with a tight budget, Beane must reinvent his team by outsmarting the richer ball clubs. Joining forces with Ivy League graduate Peter Brand (Jonah Hill), Beane prepares to challenge old-school traditions. He recruits bargain-bin players whom the scouts have labeled as flawed, but have game-winning potential. Based on the book by Michael Lewis.
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The way he destroys Justice's ego then builds him back up again is masterful.
Like it's a movie haha
@@andrewb5412not every movie is well written. This one was
"Naaaaaah man, I ain't paying you 7" 😂😂😂
Its a fake scene tho.😂
" before creation there was destruction..." - lord beerus
Just read the sign behind Pratt for the first time when talking to "David Justice." "Performance DRIES up," as the last line. Due to the DEHYDRATING of the muscle by 3%. This movie is so insanely intelligent and incredibly written. I "catch" something new each time:)
Don't think it's that deep
@@stanmorris5108 it says it on the sign though 😂
Dude when Billy says “I hate losing. I hate losing more than I want to win.” That sums me up in anything competitive. I felt that.
Hear that, it’s the feeling of a win being expected, but a loss is due to a personal mistake and infuriating.
But in the postseason, you have to want to win more than being afraid of losing.
@@dialecticalmonist3405Hating to lose and being afraid to lose are two different things.
@@skylaryoung3819sort of like anxiety vs anger. They’re tied at the hip, not mutually exclusive
Cool
"They're paying you 3.5 million to play againts them", Damn that line goes hard
I love how, throughout this montage, the ideas are obviously coming from Pete. But Billy is mostly the one communicating. It’s not just about the right method or strategy, those become worthless without effective communication to the players, which is Billy’s gift.
If you were a pro baseball player would you listen to anything from Pete's mouth?
@@GrantCrabe probably not - which is why people who judge by outward appearances so often fail to succeed.
@@GrantCrabe numbers can be a good average, but they can also miss a lot. booth can be useful on the field. when u are in the heat of the moment averages can be good lead too. experience is another thing too
The movie begins with a quote from Mickey Mantle saying it's amazing how little one knows about the game you have been playing all your life. Then this scene makes so much sense about how it should be played, going back to basics and what should be done in order to win. I love this movie !!!
Many sports have multiple angles to them. Being talented or more technical; bigger, faster, stronger, doesn't always guarantee greater success. Your intelligence & approach to any sport are also part of how good a player you are. People always want to focus on talent, ability & potential, and very rarely look at output.
Very rarely look at output? Looking at output is a major component of the analysis of any process. Including a baseball game. Or season. Or career. There wouldn't be so many resources devoted to sports statistics if a lot of people didn't want to "look at output"
" I pay you to get on first, not get thrown out at second."
Literally.
It's bullshit. Way to have faith in your guys' base-stealing ability.
@@tomshea8382well if your guys are consistently getting thrown out then it’s not about “faith” it’s just fact
@@ncb91 I would think if they were getting consistently thrown out it wouldn't even be worth mentioning. It's just a dumb Sorkin one-liner.
@@tomshea8382 it’s 10000% worth mentioning if said player thinks they are there to steal bases
by far the best made sports movie of all time. I never knew anything about baseball. I still dont, but I love every second of this movie. great actors, great story
Shohei Ohtani bring me to baseball, Ngl😅
@@yanchand3603😊
It’s up there for sure. My favorite is probably Miracle, through.
Tbh this movie is Billy Beane propaganda
I wouldn't say best but Its one of my
It is so hard to stick with something that does not work immediately. To have patience and hone a system based on faith and conviction is something to be applauded.
He's my quantitative
LOOK AT HIS EYES!
He doesnt even speak english
his name’s YANG
He won a national math competition, in - China - - He doesn't even speak ENGLISH
My quant
"It's a process, it's a process, it's a process" is a line I still quote daily when I need to convince an employee to stick with a procedure that doesn't immediately give results.
4:33 “there’s no clock on this thing”
Billy, I’ve got some bad news 😬
Don't get me started about the double switch either.
Billy was talking to the players concerning batting. The clock is on the pitcher, not the batter so Billy is still correct.
Not shown here, but the greatest scene in the movie is where the scouts are gathered and they’re trying to piece together a team and the oldest guy in the room finally tells everyone that they can give suggestions, but it eventually ends up on Beans shoulders. I think he got what Billy was trying to do
I'm not sure he did, but more importantly, he understood that Billy was in charge, and that Billy had some new fresh ideas to break the A's through the inherently inherently biased system in the majors, and that the rest of the old-timers needed to lose their sense of entitlement and overconfidence
The most impressive about this movie is that you don't have to know anything about basketball.
I mean… it’s a baseball movie…
Duh
@@therealneal3034whoosh... Over your head...
@@coldarcticoasis probably. Just making sure he’s joking and not an idiot.
@@coldarcticoasisyou hear this guy? "probably" lol
A *VERY* huge subtlety that goes unnoticed by a lot of people is how Billy respected David enough, that he took heed to the opinion Pete most likely shared with Billy, that David complained about paying for soda in the clubhouse, and then he fleeced the GM of the Tigers to pay for stocking his soda machine so they won't have to pay👍👍
Billy: let the game come to you. There’s no clock on this thing.
2023 Season: hold my beer.
The craziest thing about Billy Bean is HE'S STILL DOING IT. The A's payroll today, in an era where the cheapest teams are paying their players 150 million, is about 45 million, and he still manages to keep them relevant and in contention the majority of the seasons they play.
Imagine if he worked for an owner who actually cared about the team. Imagine if Cohen had bought the A's. If Bean had happened to develop that loyalty to any other franchise we'd talk about him like Brady and Bellichick. There is absolutely no better GM in the game at maximizing value.
Idk they are a bottom 5 team now and fans are just waiting for them to get relocated, so probably not the best example
So relevant they’re moving to Vegas……..
Man, I really like that 3:00 leadership pep talk. 'Cause I've been on both sides of that conversation. Sometimes you've got a shithead boss, but if you're gonna play for a team, you've gotta motivate those coming up. And sometimes I've been that higher up who has to put confidence and motivation into the reluctant new front line supervisor. And both dudes did a good job of communicating those feels.
It's probably the best modern baseball movie made.
"But you pay me to steal."
"No, I pay you to get on first, not thrown out at second."
That's actually a really good point.
Anyone who has ever played baseball knows what hatterberg means when he says his greatest fear is the ball getting hit at him
Especially since, when you're playing defense, you're no longer in a batting helmet.
Anyone who ever succeeded PRAYED the ball would be hit at them.
Seen this movie 6 times and am kind of a baseball historian nerd. What the movie doesn't tell you, with Zito, Mulder and Hudson on the mound as starters, you didn't need to score a ton of runs.
Tell that to my tigers. Pitching was phenomenal to start the year but they couldn’t hit worth a plum nickel
Also that A’s SS Miguel Tejada was the AL MVP that season, hitting .308 with 34 HR and 131 RBIs 😂
I, a baseball ignoramus, love this movie. Friend of mine years ago gave me a book called Fever Pitch, about soccer. He HATES soccer (all sports actually he’s a mathematician) but similarly loved that book. Most memorable chapter is about a guy called Gus Caesar and the way the tale is told translates to all sportsmen. I understand that a lot of Moneyball isn’t factually accurate and I am so so glad that the truth wasn’t allowed to interfere with with a great movie.
Dito!
I took a degree in applied math decades ago. Every one of my stats profs were into baseball
5:45 Went from 6 games below .500 to 7 games above .500 in only four weeks by going 18-5. To all the average fans who aren't aware, this is incredibly hard to do in the big leagues.
One of the best Sportsmovies ever with a great message: Nobody's perfect. Embrace your flaws.
this movie never talked about the MVP on 3rd base and the excellent starting pitching
Because that's not what it's about. The As had some huge holes and not a lot to patch them with; how they did that is the interesting story.
@Moroklumpen the movie surmises that the 100 game win season was only due to the off season moves and not the very good players already on the team. That is why I have an issue with the movie not at least mentioning the existing talent.
@@vdoggydogg3922not mentioned in the movie: Tejada (mvp), Chavez (34 hr 109rbi), Dye( 24hr, 86rbi in 130 games) Zito (cy-young) and Hudson who’s numbers were comparable to Zito. Pretty solid core that any team would sign for.
Buy in is one of the most overlooked aspect of any team’s success. The lack of attention given to training the psychological aspects of sports is astonishing.
5:05 ancient proverb right there
Not ancient, but a Napoleon quote
Quite simply a masterpiece in how to make a movie.
I love love love how they take a different approach in explaining the overall game plan with each player that best suits them.
I love this movie but the pitch must have been difficult lol. "Yeah so it's a movie about baseball, which a lot of people consider a boring game, but it' mostly focused on spreadsheets and the back offices. Oh and we want everything to be low light, soft colors, no music but lots of office sounds and chatter. Best scene is a bunch of old men arguing in a whitewashed room"
Not really.
The pitch was (probably) “We got Brad Pitt starring and Aaron Sorkin writing…….An American underdog story about the National Pastime.”
You’re framing it all wrong and trying to break the cinematographer’s and director’s balls…….
to me baseball was just always winning. I was on a good team my whole life, from little league to highschool. Won every little league championship, minor league we always won the conference and went to state at the very least. My dad was always the coach and from little league to summer ball besides highschool (they wanted him to but he worked too much) would lead us to victory. I miss those days so much, almost feels like a dream or another life its been so long.
I love sports not baseball, but this is still one of my favorite sports movies.
I absolutely despise baseball. But F*** I love this movie.
The ironic thing is they got Depodesta (Jonah Hill) from the Cleveland Indians and now he works for the Cleveland Browns .
Brad Pitt really nails this role
Like this movie but people seem to forget or not a single mentioned that this team is still loaded with talent. Starting rotation of Hudson, Zito & Mulder. Position players of Tejada, Chavez & Dye.
If only they had allstars Miguel Tejada, Eric Chavez, Barry Zito, Marc Mulder, and Tim Hudson to help them......o wait they did
Nah it was the 1st baseman who did it all. If those guys were important they would have been mentioned in the movie.
@@Paul-vf2wlhey, Tim Hudson got a brief mention in a clubhouse scene
Same core got 1 more win while cheaply replacing MVP Giambi, Damon and Isringhausen.
I love baseball movies , Field of Dreams, League of Their Own, Sandlot , how can you not love baseball . I thank God I have had two great experiences in life ,playing baseball , and racing dirt bikes . Lots of others also but those two define my loves.
Idk about The first strike thing. I always liked taking the first pitch, cause it gave me a feel of the pitcher.
"When your enemies making mistakes, don't interrupt him" ~ Napoleon Bonaparte
Yo ive never seen this movie. I absolutely have to now. Just the few scenes i was suggested have blown me away
Did you watch it?
I genuinely say "It's a process, it's a process, it's a process" to myself weekly
every scene from this movies gives me the chills i swear. so damn good.
Love the guy playing Justice. This is a great scene.
That comment "there's no clock on this thing" didn't age very well...
Baseball was boring as whale shit prior to the pitch clock.
It was ridiculous.
As a Man Utd fan ,there is zero doubt in my mind ,that Arsenal's Mikel Arteta ,took a massive amount of inspiration from this story.
That Yankees comment was ice cold. Knocked his ass WAY off his ego trip.
One of the inconsistencies of this movie is that there was no actual hostility between Billy Beane and David Justice. Beane and Justice were united and Justice already knew how to be a leader and didn’t need to be told.
David Justice was amazing in this.
Well, it wasn't the real David Justice; it was a different guy who was an actor and former ballplayer, but yes.
With all these Moneyball videos I’m watching on YT, one would think I should just watch the movie.
"There's no clock on this thing. This is a war of attrition"
I miss Baseball.
The pitch clock helped save baseball.
Turned a 4 hour game into 2.5.
Bunch of superstitious prima donnas scratching their junk and adjusting their gloves slowing thingssssss dowwwwwnnnnnnnnnnn. 🥱😴😴😴
You miss a pitcher adjusting his hat for 30 seconds between every pitch? No thanks
@@koalabrownie yeah if that's what it takes to get his best performance.
Or if he's just doing to piss off the batter... All good
Can’t wait till part 2 comes out. When they actually win something.
Where can i watch this movie!?
On Netflix right now. Love this movie! “How can you not be romantic about baseball?”
Scotty H how you liking first base
This movie taught me everything I know about lacrosse.
why am I addicted to this movie?
Because it's one of the best baseball movies ever.
Scottie H! Picking machine!
Roger Staubach hated losing. He didn't consider it as part of the game, he saw it as a failure at his profession.
Shout out to the reference of Baseball being called “The Show”
I’d pay so much to watch a Moneyball style movie based on soccer
Leicester City winning the EFL is just waiting for a script!
"That's what the Yankees think of you. They're paying you $3.5 million to play AGAINST them"
Ego busted
If you like sports
If you like good movies
This is it!!
Fantastic writing!!!!
Arsene Wenger as well ❤
Imagine getting to jog around the outfield every day during your lunch break.
I would love it.
"I pay you to get on 1st, not to get thrown out at 2nd"
I love this movie
Stealing second is the most ridiculous thing. I played baseball for years and years and despite of the fact that I run really fast and refused to steal bases. Even though my coach wanted me to do it, I always refused, because it is too much risk.
Keep Hattieberg away from the Pit! He’ll fall in and break his legs. 😂
Great movie.
Nice,
The fact that Peter Brandt was ostracized in Cleveland for voicing his observations says how people generally react to the idea of sociotal or systemic change... Threatened! You don't ostracize someone for being wrong. If they're wrong, you just correct them and explain to them why or how they're wrong. You don't ostracize someone unless you're threatened by how right they are.
Some of this scene is unbelievable. You have the GM and his assistant going over how they want the players to perform in a game. Where's the Manager Art Howe? He should be a part of this conversation or else he's not going to know what the heck is going on during the game. What's he going to do when he gives a steal sign and the base runner stays on 1st? That alone is going to piss off the Manager and not just a little bit.
Because it was all fake. Beane never interacted with players like that. the manager did. Just like when he traded players, the GM will not tell the player, the manager does that as they are the one who has direct interaction with the players.
David Justice said the scene where Beane spoke to him about being a leader is fake. Also, Justice will know that the Yankees are paying half of his contract
My favorite part of this movie is when it reminds me that at one point the Mariners could hold a 1st place lead in the division standings 😂
One outs?
And sky is so owned that people drift away.
such a good movie
Pro line no rule betting
how can ya not be romantic about baseball
Or hockey .... !
Know that
@1:00 Every first pitch strike your average goes down 0.75 points. Then they start talking about making the pitcher throw more pitches. I'm confused. Love the movie though and I lived out there at the time.
They're discussing different things. If a batter strikes out on his first pitch, his chances of hitting, and getting on base, in subsequent pitches go down, because the odds have been tipped in the pitcher's favour.
The discussion about making the pitcher's throw more, is telling the Batters to play them a bit. Be more clever, don't swing at everything. The more they throw (without success), the more tired they will get and have to rotate personnel, down into the 'lesser' pitchers on the roster
He's telling not to swing on the first pitch unless it's a meatball.
This is a big flaw in Moneyball. On based percentage is OK through 162 games, but when you get to the playoffs pitching staffs are condensed. Playoff teams typically have good pitching to begin with, but get in the playoffs they will send out their best. So instead of facing a team's number 5 pitcher Or their mob up guy in the bullpen, you are facing their best starters and relievers. These pitchers throw strikes, so now you best weapon is removed. The movie brings up the 2004 Red Sox how they used the advanced stats to win the world series. So while yes, they led the lead in OBP that year, they also led the league in slugging percentage. Compared that to the 2002 A's where they were 8th in slugging percentage.2004 Boston was 2nd in batting average, the 2002 A's were just above league average.
In short, the A's could not produce runs with their style. In the playoffs you can't just sit back and wait for a picture to make a mistake as chances are they won't.
A screen obtain or watch could get us sticky stats. YES
Brad Pitts best acting performance
4:33 welp
heh, a known problem. The League knew the games were too long, the teams knew that taking their time was in their best interest.
David said in a interview that this conversation never happened
And everyone of us will
I love Bruce Willis √
He may be 37 and not what he used to be, but at least he was once great! I'm 38 and always sucked 😅😢😅
Whoever played David Justice in the film, had a great looking swing unless that was a stunt double who played ball
I peaked at 11
The actor was a former mlb player but played mostly in the minors @@Ryan2022
David Justice went to the post season in every season he played baseball
Something goes wrong in the sky around you & you can't hit. It's such a stop in throat that you can't even share.
I love how they act like batters aren’t swinging at what appear to be hittable pitches that suddenly dive away because they’re in the Majors, not Little League. 🙄
why the fuck does this movie make me cry every time I fucking hate football
One of the greatest movies ! Ever ever !
They call it resume ////that losing
Brad played this character same as he played in the Inglorious Basterds😂
No stealing huh? So the player should disobey his third base coach when asked to steal? Maybe Billy should be talking with the third base coach and the head coach. Nobody steals on their own.
"There's no clock on this thing"... that didn't age well
I have used the David Justice discussion in my work life
Brad Pitt has enough ego to play Billy Bean.
Know that you're watched by the sky. ////And this is skye, the around you.
Not the blue sky over you.