Nordens are for people who like the 80s advs and classic styles, while the adv890 are those who like modern sporty style. It's like comparing the svartpilen and the duke390!
KTM produces excellent bikes, but their design department!? I know hardly of anyone who likes this kind of look. I’m 100% confident, they could sell tons of more bikes, if they would just change their designer team already. Those bikes look grotesque to me. The Norden on the other hand, is a real handsome bike.
The Norden looks great, plenty of suspension travel to explore those roads that are filled with bumps and some gravel/dirt. I could see me spending lots of time on a bike like the Norden 901.
I loved the motor on ktm but not the look of it. So then the Norden came, i called my dealer and pre-order that bike. It going to be a wonderful spring 2022 with lot of gravelroads and offroads..
I love the Nordan 901 and hope to get one sometime soon. It has the looks, it has more then enough performance for me, and it seems like it would be hella fun to ride.
I was considering the KTM, but neither version is great for long travel. Since all the good riding is 5+ hours from home, a Norden tops the list for bikes that could replace my Tiger 800xc.
I love my Norden. I can cruise on the road at 80 all day, or I can make it down tight technical tracks like Adventure R. I’m too old to race now, so I don’t need the Adventure R. That’s how I feel about it.
What I would like is a more adventurous version of KTM 690/Husky 701. Something with a bigger tank and a bit of wind protection, but with the same fun power plant in very lightweight package.
Good call. Husky makes a 701 with a huge tank but does not sell it in Canada. They should have put a Rally fairing on that bike and exported everywhere.
I own the 790R and bought it for its suspension, capabilities and long range. Absolutely love it. It's height has caused me to drop it many times though. Someone needs to create ADV boots with platform soles. ;>)
@@thomasdoe6768 I'm 177cm tall with a 74 cm inseam. My big struggle is getting the kickstand up since I have to slide off the seat so much to get my foot down. You can buy the S model seat and that helps, but I prefer the R seat. Great bike!
I'd have to go with the adventure r. Moto/enduro background.. I like to get air born as well as jump rocks and logs. Not nearly as well as the "pros in the videos" but, I try lol. Regardless, the T7 will still be my next one. With its lack of rider aids, price point and less stuff to break, I can't stop thinking about it. (Currently on a tracer 900).
The Norden reminds me a lot of the KTM 950/990 Adventure and is more appealing to the sense. That being said, I am not sure if it will be as reliable as their Japanese counterparts
Most of the footage in the video is far flung places that the majority of the population doesn't live. It's great to imagine going out and riding that kind of terrain in those kinds of places, but the product is being sold on the basis of what people might WISH was a reality rather than what IS a reality. It's similar to the superbikes being sold on the basis of a professional ripping around a race track and people buy them and ride on the street 98% of the time; then end up getting bored because of the lack of using the potential and get in trouble for trying.
That's true. I'm lucky to have a ton of trails where I live in Canada but am always reminded that in many places in GB and Europe good off roading is at a premium.
KTM adv for sure. I think the Orange and Black really make it stand out! Also, I like to be able to get most of my feet ground when needed. Will need to switch out exsuast and be as happy as a clam. All of their adventure bikes need different exhausts! The 39 literally sounds like a sewing machine!
I agree about the KTM image, as much as it attracts hard cores or wannabe hard cores it also pushes away guys for the same reason. Lot's of variety is good though, drives the industry.
if my local ktm dealer had a service department i could use id already have an 890 "R" but alas , i have a deposit on an incoming 901 now and am looking at aftermarket but not finding any yet
If the Norden was available when I bought the Adventure R, I would have bought the Norden! I still want advance suspension, but at 70 I'm not getting too crazy in the dirt!
All statistics are in your favor, it's hard to argue against your logic... if I can humbly point something out, it seems like we have an up-and-coming new reliable brand - Royal Enfield. Who'd thought that? Apparently, the new models are pretty darn good, if what I see here in Brazil reflects what the brand is doing world-wide.
I am only going with my personal experience and preference. I am not saying Japanese Motorcycles are perfect. But my overall experience has been a good one. Everyone should ride whatever they want and always enjoy the Ride.
That’s because the people who buy European bikes generally maintain them better most of the Japanese bikes now use cheap component so that’s why they’re $2000 less per bike
I had an 890AR on order but I had one clear concern and that was comfort, something it did not have and the seat had to go. Then at the end of October the 901 was announced and reviewed and every reviewer had one common theme…..”comfort” that was enough for me to put down a deposit. I wish it had the better Adventure R suspension but it doesn’t but I will be travelling longer distances so I’ll take the compromise. Sitting on the 901 at my dealer I was quickly reminded I made the best choice for me and my riding.
@@DifferentSpokesTV They'll come in weighing what the 901 needed to weigh. That is, way too heavy for a 501 and will be compared to their current 501 which is not a motor you put in an adventure bike.
10x10 the Norden. I think Moto Guzzi and this Norden are the best looking adv bikes in the segment, bar none- yet. That desert x might outdo them aesthetically.
I'm right there with ya. I love playing in the dirt but I probably spend a bit more time on pavement throughout the year. Looks do matter and to me the KTM's are not my cup of tea. The Husky is very good looking and with the way they are talking I may be buying one after they work out the kinks.
I'd get the Norden too for the reasons you gave but wish they looked like these prototypes did (the white with those graphics) vs how they were actually produced. Those are still good looking but just not like these. The ultimate would be the legs of the 890R put onto a Norden perhaps set up softer for longer tours. Or give an option like a Norden with the shorter travel, then a Norden R with the 890R setup, and finally a Norden RR with the 890R travel/components but set up as soft as the base Norden (the latter to be available only for shorter buyers to increase accessibility to the Norden).
I pick the Norden 901, however, I already have a dirt bike and just want something to munch miles in comfortably with the occasional canyon carving and dirtroad blasting, so I am going to wait for an even more tarmack biased 901 or, eventually get the 901 and lower it. The pirelli Scorpions are amazing btw
They may put out a 19 inch wheel version like the Tiger GT. That would probably drop the seat by at least an inch. For a road going version they could shorten the suspension by an inch as well.
Put me down for "Team Norden", that is a great looking bike. I bought a Pan Am at the beginning of bike season but as it will be my long distance 2-up tourer, I'm contemplating a Norden 901 next year for my solo bike.
totally agree on what he said at the end. The "Adventure R" makes you look like a noob if you don't drift / wheelie out of every corner !-)) the Norden looks REALLY good in white ... and that seat is much better cause you get the high seat for travelling and when you wana be a bit closer to the ground in your favorite off road playground you can lower it!
Hi, good and fair comparison. I chose the 890R for better suspension and look, in spite of my riding that tends towards Norden or 890S. I'm not a fan of Norden look. 4 years ago I found the 790 look pretty ugly, but as I'm now accustomed to this front light, I am really pleased with that fantastic 890 engine, superb chassis, smooth gearbox. Lowered tank is just a genious idea that I did appreciate on a KTM 990ADV 10 years ago. My 890R Just need a better seat and windscreen.
I wonder if the Norden has that same 'box of bolts and nuts' sound as the KTM. Anyhow, only if they come with a Norden 501 I would consider selling my T7. I do think I'ts the most beautiful off all the ADV-bikes at the moment. Yep, a round headlight does wonders ✨
I tried to buy a T7 in August. Of course there wasn't a single one to be found on the entire West Coast of U.S. I've decided to try early Spring for a 2022. If I can't find one I guess I'll be bleeding Orange.
I hate you for making me realizing this, but I'm a poser as well, and there is something "XTZ 750 Super Ténéré 750/XL 750 Africa Twinish" from the 90's that reeeeeally speaks to me. But, in the end of the day, it's too much money for a bike that would be cumbersome to me in my daily use, for the little time that I would actually "adventure" on it.
I like the KTM's looks better than the Norden myself, and as I'm 6'3" I think the Std Adventure might be a little low for me even though it suits my riding more. I think it's the Adventure R for me.
I'd go Husky for the same reasons you mentioned. Q: Being from the same (very confusing) parent company do these two share parts? KTM 890 made in the Philippines/China now? Husky made in Sweden? Google is very confused on this question.
@@burkerow So your saying KTM imposes the same stringent Eu industrial pollution standards on Chinese manufacturing and pay the workers as per Eu minimum wages and employment rights? Yes it really matters where what you buy is made. Fancy having a toxic waste dump next to your house Rod?
@@CathodeRayNipplez I was asking an honest question, but your reply to me feels a bit adversarial. I could do without the snark. I would imagine that these companies choose to move production to China because wages are much less, but do the engineering standards change? Just and honest question that at this point I don't wish for another reply. Thanks
After almost 10 years I’m about to replace my old KTM 990 Adv. It’s getting expensive to run and parts, especially aftermarket, are getting hard to find. Even a liter of the high performance engine oil isn’t available around the corner. I’m in doubt with the new KTM’s, I like both the KTM’s and the Husky’s but service & maintenance costs and reliability make me look at other bikes too. It also doesn’t help that almost every year there is a new model so your new bike is an old model after just one year.
The Norden doesn't have the XPLOR suspension and the KTM's styling is an abomination. I'm very stylish and also very badass, so unfortunately neither will work for me.
Great footage and editing! - How is Husky's mechanic reliability compared to Japanese brands? (KTMs was weak) And adventuring in remote countries that's key. - What's your ergonomic and confort assessment between the Nordern 901 vs the Teneré 700 regarding adventure ofroad trips? Thanks for your time. Greatings from Bolivia 🇧🇴
From my own limited experience (I own a KTM 500 EXC-F and spend a lot of time on the wrenching forums), they are about the same from a reliability standpoint. Which is to say, not phenomenal
I really don't understand why they didn't continue the tower fairing wrap the fork around to the tank. From a design perspective, it looks really weird and unattractive. Design matters.
Gotta love the manufacturers promos, "Let's zip line the bike between mountains, that'll get their attention!"😂....I really like the looks of the Norden, but at 33+" in the saddle, I'm not "you must be this tall to go on this ride"!
This is my dilemma for consideration. Would I prefer having suspension I don’t fully use, or a bike I have to hold back on a little? I’m no dirt road legend, but I lean towards the R for the this reason. And I think it looks awesome!
The thing I don't get is the exposed gas tank location on the KTMs. Hard to tell from the pictures, but the Norden 901 looks to be in the same spot, but looks to have protection. I know the guys in the video are radically riding off road....but the rest of us are going to be dropping the bike. That gas tank location just doesn't seem to inspire confidence. Yes, I know....crash bars....but the crash bars would stick out too far on this bike.
wish i could ride one of those to see if it is tolerable for a few hours of highway riding , IE:: how much smoother they are VS the last 1cyl bikes ive had , ktm 640lc4 , XR650L , XR650R , ATK605 all of which shook like wet dogs on the highway compared to 2cyl bikes , ktm 1090r or Africa twin
I took a 2013 KTM 690 from Portland to Ushuaia Argentina, my longest day was 530 miles. Not as comfortable as a big GS but it was ok. My 2017 Husqvarna 701 has the improved motor and is ever smoother. Just did 3,000 miles in 10 days and it was great. One shortcoming is the 3.2 gallon fuel tank and no fuel gage. I added an under seat 1.2 gallon fuel tank and have proper luggage now. I have some stuff on my TH-cam channel but really need to do another final build vid. I put over 100,000 miles on BMW1200GSs, I’m 72 now and need a lighter bike.
@@BlackdogADV id buy the "LR" version and mod it from there if i decide to go back to a 1cyl bike , i dont see anything else even close to it in my opinion ? ill check your channel out , im already sub'd
@@BlackdogADV yes , add wind screen and change ergo's to suit , re-spring boingers for old fat man and it just may be the ticket ? with some soft luggage of course
@@BrunoAlexanderSilva That’s true. The KTM has a lot of aftermarket accessories that may or may not work in the Norden. I just bought my 890AR last month so I’ll see how it goes.
@@BrunoAlexanderSilva The Jury is still out. It’s still cold where I live so I haven’t gone out for any really challenging rides. I hope to change that soon. I really need to figure out the ride modes. The quickshift is fantastic. The cruise works great. Wind doesn’t seem to be a problem although I’m not sure how it would be on long rides. Ask me again in a month or so and I’ll have better feedback for you
After the wait, I was hoping the 901 would look like the prototype. They mist the mark for me. I’ll be more interested in the Triumph 900. Changing from a FJR 1300 Yamaha’17
Did you buy Tiger 900? I tried one . Very nice bike . Only one thing. In the speed 120-130 exist disagreeable vibration on the bars. Only for that reason I went with Norden.
I was crushing on the 901, but I'll pass after learning 890s/901s are made in China. I'd be okay if they were being made in India as manufacturers like Royal Enfield have really improved in reliability/quality. Not so much with China. If the 890/901 was $7K then I'd take a chance, but paying 2x that for what is essentially a CFMoto seems like a bad idea.
The Chinese quality has gone up significantly. I have seen fort nine talk about the poor quality coming out of Indian factories. I own a Benelli TRK502X which is wonderful quality and performs really well. The Chinese quality continues to go up exponentially. I would buy the 901 for sure.
Ktm says they’re both made I’m Austria. However that means little, components might well be made in China to be assembled in Austria. I too am worried about quality, for way too much experience and low expectations with made in China things
I would go for the standard Africa Twin to be honest, comparable price, weight, and performance. I wouldn't trust myself on that KTM engine. If I have to chose from these three, I would go with the Norden. One of the best looking adventure bike. I'm not too familiar with the 890 engine's reliability, but I'm pretty sure that it won't beat the Africa Twin in this regard.
@@justsomedude445 Is that so? The standard AT is 226kg wet. The Norden won't be that much lighter either, performance wise both engine can deliver the same power too.
@@attiladerbimotard 45-50 pounds heavier is what everything ive read and watched on them says ? guess they could all be wrong ? ive owned an africa twin and ktm 1090r both , i am no expert i suppose but when i test rode a 790 it felt like half the size of either
It's a bit irritating that you use KTM 890 Adv Rallye (NOT R) footage), especially when talking about the suspension. There is a huge difference between the Rallye's and the R's suspension (as well as on their price-tags). Anyway, owning a 1090R I'd go for a 890 R... but Norden really looks distinguished as hell!
Looks are subjective to your desires, (they all look like big dirt bikes) pick your poison. The suspension on the Adventure R is what caused me to purchase the KTM Adventure R.
sorry on ktm get some better designers, the huski has a beautiful design. and we all hope they learn to handle the engine quality better ,all japaner get superb engineto work on its service and and .
I love the performance and power delivery. Also I love a long ride from remote region of California desert and all the way down to Patagonia…thats why I’d choose Yamaha T700 or Honda AT.
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My solution: 790S and upgrade the suspension. I now have a super capable off-road bike with lower seat height … and i like the looks of the ktm.
Nordens are for people who like the 80s advs and classic styles, while the adv890 are those who like modern sporty style.
It's like comparing the svartpilen and the duke390!
KTM produces excellent bikes, but their design department!? I know hardly of anyone who likes this kind of look. I’m 100% confident, they could sell tons of more bikes, if they would just change their designer team already. Those bikes look grotesque to me.
The Norden on the other hand, is a real handsome bike.
The Norden looks great, plenty of suspension travel to explore those roads that are filled with bumps and some gravel/dirt. I could see me spending lots of time on a bike like the Norden 901.
Pretty much could do anything on that bike... and do it well.
As someone who just financed a 790 adv s, I have to say, Im very tempted to trade for the Norden! It just looks so much better.
It does, but from the saddle it will probably feel very similar.
I have a 790 adv s and i am tempted by the look of the Norden, but still in love with Ktm’s style
I loved the motor on ktm but not the look of it. So then the Norden came, i called my dealer and pre-order that bike. It going to be a wonderful spring 2022 with lot of gravelroads and offroads..
I love the Nordan 901 and hope to get one sometime soon. It has the looks, it has more then enough performance for me, and it seems like it would be hella fun to ride.
It works for me. And I rode BMW Adventure bikes for years.
I was considering the KTM, but neither version is great for long travel. Since all the good riding is 5+ hours from home, a Norden tops the list for bikes that could replace my Tiger 800xc.
I like how you think. I would pick the Norden for exactly the same reasons
Just something about that 901 for me. Great video!
Cool, thanks! Yep, that bike stole the show at Eicma in 2019. Finally here.
I love my Norden. I can cruise on the road at 80 all day, or I can make it down tight technical tracks like Adventure R. I’m too old to race now, so I don’t need the Adventure R. That’s how I feel about it.
The Norden looks like an ADV bike, while the KTM looks like a dirt bike. I will say that the KTM for whatever reason, looks a ton better in person.
Yes, the Adventure R looks better than the standard one. Purposeful.
I'm just a sucker for the looks of the fabulous Husky!!
What I would like is a more adventurous version of KTM 690/Husky 701. Something with a bigger tank and a bit of wind protection, but with the same fun power plant in very lightweight package.
You can get the husky in a Long Range rally version/ check it out
Good call. Husky makes a 701 with a huge tank but does not sell it in Canada. They should have put a Rally fairing on that bike and exported everywhere.
You can easily put rally fairing on 690/701
Check out Rade Garage. They have Rally fairing and auxiliary tanks for 701/690 enduro.
which bike had the better lighting for night-time riding?? Nobody EVER talks about the headlight etc.
I own the 790R and bought it for its suspension, capabilities and long range. Absolutely love it. It's height has caused me to drop it many times though. Someone needs to create ADV boots with platform soles. ;>)
If I may ask, how tall are you? I am 1,70m and I am considering one ^^
@@thomasdoe6768 I'm 177cm tall with a 74 cm inseam. My big struggle is getting the kickstand up since I have to slide off the seat so much to get my foot down. You can buy the S model seat and that helps, but I prefer the R seat. Great bike!
I'd have to go with the adventure r. Moto/enduro background.. I like to get air born as well as jump rocks and logs. Not nearly as well as the "pros in the videos" but, I try lol.
Regardless, the T7 will still be my next one. With its lack of rider aids, price point and less stuff to break, I can't stop thinking about it. (Currently on a tracer 900).
mine 2 most likely .
Husky has a longer history in Off-road / enduro than KTM
Yep, good choice. T7 is hard to beat.
I went from the Tracer 7 to the T7 and its awesome, none of the new adv bikes seem better, there just too heavy, more expensive and less reliable.
Thinking about the T7 too…, especially now the Raid is coming to the stores in a couple of months.
I’ll wait for the Norden “Arrrgh”! with Viking Pirate graphic scheme.
The Norden reminds me a lot of the KTM 950/990 Adventure and is more appealing to the sense. That being said, I am not sure if it will be as reliable as their Japanese counterparts
Hopefully KTM has worked out the bugs in the 890s and the Norden benefits from that.
R RALLY .. hands down!
Most of the footage in the video is far flung places that the majority of the population doesn't live. It's great to imagine going out and riding that kind of terrain in those kinds of places, but the product is being sold on the basis of what people might WISH was a reality rather than what IS a reality. It's similar to the superbikes being sold on the basis of a professional ripping around a race track and people buy them and ride on the street 98% of the time; then end up getting bored because of the lack of using the potential and get in trouble for trying.
@@justsomedude445 What about the statements that I made are personal in nature? The footage wasn't created by the channel host.
That's true. I'm lucky to have a ton of trails where I live in Canada but am always reminded that in many places in GB and Europe good off roading is at a premium.
It’s this thing called “marketing.”
every time i see you in your videos, you're never how i imagine you look lol
Those bike shows were two years ago. I'm now an unkemp, long haired hippie :)
KTM adv for sure. I think the Orange and Black really make it stand out! Also, I like to be able to get most of my feet ground when needed. Will need to switch out exsuast and be as happy as a clam. All of their adventure bikes need different exhausts! The 39 literally sounds like a sewing machine!
I agree about the KTM image, as much as it attracts hard cores or wannabe hard cores it also pushes away guys for the same reason. Lot's of variety is good though, drives the industry.
if my local ktm dealer had a service department i could use id already have an 890 "R" but alas , i have a deposit on an incoming 901 now and am looking at aftermarket but not finding any yet
"Being the poser I am".. incredible stuff. Love it!
Husqvarna Norten 901.
As I'm getting old & it has extras as standard.
Starting a shopping list for add-ons...
If the Norden was available when I bought the Adventure R, I would have bought the Norden! I still want advance suspension, but at 70 I'm not getting too crazy in the dirt!
I know. I’m 70 too.
I would buy the reliable one made in Japan. Honda Suzuki Yamaha or Kawasaki
good for you, had 7 bikes so far the last 15 years, only one blew up it's engine. A suzuki. My KTM's and Huskies never gave up on me.
All statistics are in your favor, it's hard to argue against your logic... if I can humbly point something out, it seems like we have an up-and-coming new reliable brand - Royal Enfield. Who'd thought that? Apparently, the new models are pretty darn good, if what I see here in Brazil reflects what the brand is doing world-wide.
11 year old ktm 990 still good.
I am only going with my personal experience and preference. I am not saying Japanese Motorcycles are perfect. But my overall experience has been a good one. Everyone should ride whatever they want and always enjoy the Ride.
That’s because the people who buy European bikes generally maintain them better most of the Japanese bikes now use cheap component so that’s why they’re $2000 less per bike
I had an 890AR on order but I had one clear concern and that was comfort, something it did not have and the seat had to go. Then at the end of October the 901 was announced and reviewed and every reviewer had one common theme…..”comfort” that was enough for me to put down a deposit. I wish it had the better Adventure R suspension but it doesn’t but I will be travelling longer distances so I’ll take the compromise. Sitting on the 901 at my dealer I was quickly reminded I made the best choice for me and my riding.
I’m getting that norden, I like off road but I’m not getting that thing more than 6” off the ground.
waiting for Norden 501, that's my choice
Yep, hopefully they don't take too long. The whole world is waiting for the 490s and 501s.
@@DifferentSpokesTV They'll come in weighing what the 901 needed to weigh. That is, way too heavy for a 501 and will be compared to their current 501 which is not a motor you put in an adventure bike.
10x10 the Norden. I think Moto Guzzi and this Norden are the best looking adv bikes in the segment, bar none- yet. That desert x might outdo them aesthetically.
Seeing that adventure r being jumped is insane! Makes me want to go buy one but I'm still terrible at riding offroad.
You speak for thousands of us.
That's exactly why I wouldn't buy it. I'd kill myself trying that stuff.
the actual bike in the video is the Rally though, not the 890R
I'm right there with ya. I love playing in the dirt but I probably spend a bit more time on pavement throughout the year. Looks do matter and to me the KTM's are not my cup of tea. The Husky is very good looking and with the way they are talking I may be buying one after they work out the kinks.
Yep. The good news is that the drivetrain's been around for a while already. Hopefully KTM has worked out a lot of the bugs.
love your videos, keep it up please.
Thanks, will do!
Very good comparison. I'm agree on your last statement and would go with the 901
I'd get the Norden too for the reasons you gave but wish they looked like these prototypes did (the white with those graphics) vs how they were actually produced. Those are still good looking but just not like these. The ultimate would be the legs of the 890R put onto a Norden perhaps set up softer for longer tours. Or give an option like a Norden with the shorter travel, then a Norden R with the 890R setup, and finally a Norden RR with the 890R travel/components but set up as soft as the base Norden (the latter to be available only for shorter buyers to increase accessibility to the Norden).
I pick the Norden 901, however, I already have a dirt bike and just want something to munch miles in comfortably with the occasional canyon carving and dirtroad blasting, so I am going to wait for an even more tarmack biased 901 or, eventually get the 901 and lower it. The pirelli Scorpions are amazing btw
They may put out a 19 inch wheel version like the Tiger GT. That would probably drop the seat by at least an inch. For a road going version they could shorten the suspension by an inch as well.
You feel exactly how I do. Be blessed guys and gals. 👍
Put me down for "Team Norden", that is a great looking bike. I bought a Pan Am at the beginning of bike season but as it will be my long distance 2-up tourer, I'm contemplating a Norden 901 next year for my solo bike.
Good choice! You might want to also wait and see how long before the 501 Norden comes out. That one may be way lighter for off-road use.
totally agree on what he said at the end. The "Adventure R" makes you look like a noob if you don't drift / wheelie out of every corner !-)) the Norden looks REALLY good in white ... and that seat is much better cause you get the high seat for travelling and when you wana be a bit closer to the ground in your favorite off road playground you can lower it!
Another first class video!!:) I do not like the looks of the KTM at all 🥴 if I had to pick I would go with the Husqvarna.
Yeah, they really nailed it with the styling.
Hi, good and fair comparison. I chose the 890R for better suspension and look, in spite of my riding that tends towards Norden or 890S. I'm not a fan of Norden look. 4 years ago I found the 790 look pretty ugly, but as I'm now accustomed to this front light, I am really pleased with that fantastic 890 engine, superb chassis, smooth gearbox. Lowered tank is just a genious idea that I did appreciate on a KTM 990ADV 10 years ago. My 890R Just need a better seat and windscreen.
I wonder if the Norden has that same 'box of bolts and nuts' sound as the KTM.
Anyhow, only if they come with a Norden 501 I would consider selling my T7.
I do think I'ts the most beautiful off all the ADV-bikes at the moment.
Yep, a round headlight does wonders ✨
501!!!!!!!!!!
YES 👍
I'm guessing it will sound the same given the same drivetrain. Yes, the 501 is eagerly anticipated.
I like the Norden 901. I would buy a T7 over all those bikes.
I tried to buy a T7 in August. Of course there wasn't a single one to be found on the entire West Coast of U.S.
I've decided to try early Spring for a 2022. If I can't find one I guess I'll be bleeding Orange.
Yep, there's a reason they're selling out.
i tried to , 70hp vs 105 ?? c ouldnt do it
husky i been waiting for it !!
I hate you for making me realizing this, but I'm a poser as well, and there is something "XTZ 750 Super Ténéré 750/XL 750 Africa Twinish" from the 90's that reeeeeally speaks to me.
But, in the end of the day, it's too much money for a bike that would be cumbersome to me in my daily use, for the little time that I would actually "adventure" on it.
Yeah, as nice as it is, at some point we have to come down to earth and be practical.
Looks great. Norden is what we expected.
Well frankly n honestly 890 for the looks
I like the KTM's looks better than the Norden myself, and as I'm 6'3" I think the Std Adventure might be a little low for me even though it suits my riding more. I think it's the Adventure R for me.
We have to wait and see the price in Europe, but I would buy the Norden over the KTM. I just prefer the looks.
I imagine it will be very close to the Adventure R, maybe a bit less. That seems to be the trend here.
Awesome bike. love from Nepal.
I want a Norden and want to ride it from Phoenix to Alaska and Back
Husqvarna Norden - Seems to withstand a little longer distances + it looks cool
I'd go Husky for the same reasons you mentioned.
Q: Being from the same (very confusing) parent company do these two share parts?
KTM 890 made in the Philippines/China now? Husky made in Sweden? Google is very confused on this question.
gotta be made in the same place , agree thats a good question
Does it really matter where it's made? If the factory is in China, it still has to meet KTMs manufacturing standards.
@@burkerow Yes. It matters. You see this with cars too.
@@burkerow So your saying KTM imposes the same stringent Eu industrial pollution standards on Chinese manufacturing and pay the workers as per Eu minimum wages and employment rights?
Yes it really matters where what you buy is made. Fancy having a toxic waste dump next to your house Rod?
@@CathodeRayNipplez I was asking an honest question, but your reply to me feels a bit adversarial. I could do without the snark. I would imagine that these companies choose to move production to China because wages are much less, but do the engineering standards change? Just and honest question that at this point I don't wish for another reply. Thanks
now that the 901 Explorer came out, which one would you choose now...?
After almost 10 years I’m about to replace my old KTM 990 Adv. It’s getting expensive to run and parts, especially aftermarket, are getting hard to find. Even a liter of the high performance engine oil isn’t available around the corner. I’m in doubt with the new KTM’s, I like both the KTM’s and the Husky’s but service & maintenance costs and reliability make me look at other bikes too.
It also doesn’t help that almost every year there is a new model so your new bike is an old model after just one year.
Excellent video like always 👍
Thanks again!
The 890R is my Choice, looks great, drives great. The Norden looks outmoded, like the old Africa Twin in my Eyes.
The Norden doesn't have the XPLOR suspension and the KTM's styling is an abomination. I'm very stylish and also very badass, so unfortunately neither will work for me.
:) Maybe you can buy both and just put the Norden bodywork on the Adventure R. Problem solved.
Forgot I was subscribed to you, it's Alex from eng class. Hope you are doing well!
just bought the Norden
Great job....thanks for sharing
Norden between these three but the Tenere
They do the pro suspension option for the Norden although it's about £2800 extra.
Don’t tell the wife but I just got me a new to me 790r - oh it’s good. So the 890r sounds even better Nordon looks like a old mans bike
Great footage and editing!
- How is Husky's mechanic reliability compared to Japanese brands? (KTMs was weak) And adventuring in remote countries that's key.
- What's your ergonomic and confort assessment between the Nordern 901 vs the Teneré 700 regarding adventure ofroad trips? Thanks for your time.
Greatings from Bolivia 🇧🇴
From my own limited experience (I own a KTM 500 EXC-F and spend a lot of time on the wrenching forums), they are about the same from a reliability standpoint. Which is to say, not phenomenal
I really don't understand why they didn't continue the tower fairing wrap the fork around to the tank. From a design perspective, it looks really weird and unattractive. Design matters.
Thinking about trading in my KTM 1290 SAR in for the Norden but I need to ride one and take a close up look if I could find one.
Gotta love the manufacturers promos, "Let's zip line the bike between mountains, that'll get their attention!"😂....I really like the looks of the Norden, but at 33+" in the saddle, I'm not "you must be this tall to go on this ride"!
Whoever asks themselves "Hows that design so familiar", might wanna check out the Hondas 2007 XL700V "Transalp".
I myself like the KTM 890 R. Still waiting on more reviews on the 901
I would get the "R"... Better to have the extra capabilities and not need them, than to need them and not have them.
This is my dilemma for consideration. Would I prefer having suspension I don’t fully use, or a bike I have to hold back on a little? I’m no dirt road legend, but I lean towards the R for the this reason. And I think it looks awesome!
The thing I don't get is the exposed gas tank location on the KTMs. Hard to tell from the pictures, but the Norden 901 looks to be in the same spot, but looks to have protection. I know the guys in the video are radically riding off road....but the rest of us are going to be dropping the bike. That gas tank location just doesn't seem to inspire confidence. Yes, I know....crash bars....but the crash bars would stick out too far on this bike.
I’m liking the Norden but it’s still 100 pounds heavier then my Husqvarna 701.
wish i could ride one of those to see if it is tolerable for a few hours of highway riding , IE:: how much smoother they are VS the last 1cyl bikes ive had , ktm 640lc4 , XR650L , XR650R , ATK605 all of which shook like wet dogs on the highway compared to 2cyl bikes , ktm 1090r or Africa twin
I took a 2013 KTM 690 from Portland to Ushuaia Argentina, my longest day was 530 miles. Not as comfortable as a big GS but it was ok. My 2017 Husqvarna 701 has the improved motor and is ever smoother. Just did 3,000 miles in 10 days and it was great. One shortcoming is the 3.2 gallon fuel tank and no fuel gage. I added an under seat 1.2 gallon fuel tank and have proper luggage now. I have some stuff on my TH-cam channel but really need to do another final build vid. I put over 100,000 miles on BMW1200GSs, I’m 72 now and need a lighter bike.
@@BlackdogADV id buy the "LR" version and mod it from there if i decide to go back to a 1cyl bike , i dont see anything else even close to it in my opinion ? ill check your channel out , im already sub'd
I missed buying the LR version, that would have solved the range issue.
@@BlackdogADV yes , add wind screen and change ergo's to suit , re-spring boingers for old fat man and it just may be the ticket ? with some soft luggage of course
I think the Norden will have quick shift and cruise standard where the 890 Adventure R does not
but you are paying almost the same in the end as the 890AR if you put the tech pack on the ktm and rest of tech extras on the norden no?
@@BrunoAlexanderSilva That’s true. The KTM has a lot of aftermarket accessories that may or may not work in the Norden. I just bought my 890AR last month so I’ll see how it goes.
@@PapaDougsAdventures01 how are you fancing the ktm? worth over the norden?
@@BrunoAlexanderSilva The Jury is still out. It’s still cold where I live so I haven’t gone out for any really challenging rides. I hope to change that soon. I really need to figure out the ride modes. The quickshift is fantastic. The cruise works great. Wind doesn’t seem to be a problem although I’m not sure how it would be on long rides. Ask me again in a month or so and I’ll have better feedback for you
@@PapaDougsAdventures01 thanks man, if i dont buy the bike soon i will for sure ask you again! Safe rides!
You chose the Yamaha T-7 because it cost a lot less
Exactly. Also, pretty confident about the reliability.
Do any of these bikes have tubeless wheels?
Agree - the husky is my choice too
Why are you showing mostly the Rally while talking of the R? That will confuse people more than it helps.
After the wait, I was hoping the 901 would look like the prototype. They mist the mark for me. I’ll be more interested in the Triumph 900. Changing from a FJR 1300 Yamaha’17
Did you buy Tiger 900? I tried one . Very nice bike . Only one thing. In the speed 120-130 exist disagreeable vibration on the bars. Only for that reason I went with Norden.
I was crushing on the 901, but I'll pass after learning 890s/901s are made in China. I'd be okay if they were being made in India as manufacturers like Royal Enfield have really improved in reliability/quality. Not so much with China. If the 890/901 was $7K then I'd take a chance, but paying 2x that for what is essentially a CFMoto seems like a bad idea.
The Chinese quality has gone up significantly. I have seen fort nine talk about the poor quality coming out of Indian factories. I own a Benelli TRK502X which is wonderful quality and performs really well. The Chinese quality continues to go up exponentially. I would buy the 901 for sure.
@@TheFriction_Zone it's not about quality it's about sending a message
The aprilia tuareg is made in Italy
My 890 was not made in China...
Ktm says they’re both made I’m Austria. However that means little, components might well be made in China to be assembled in Austria. I too am worried about quality, for way too much experience and low expectations with made in China things
Would you trade your T7 for the Norden 901? I think Two Wheel has one in Guelph.
890r. Cuz it has a high fender
I would go for the standard Africa Twin to be honest, comparable price, weight, and performance. I wouldn't trust myself on that KTM engine. If I have to chose from these three, I would go with the Norden. One of the best looking adventure bike. I'm not too familiar with the 890 engine's reliability, but I'm pretty sure that it won't beat the Africa Twin in this regard.
way way heavier , not even close to comparable performance wise !! . great bike but come on
@@justsomedude445 Is that so? The standard AT is 226kg wet. The Norden won't be that much lighter either, performance wise both engine can deliver the same power too.
@@attiladerbimotard 45-50 pounds heavier is what everything ive read and watched on them says ? guess they could all be wrong ? ive owned an africa twin and ktm 1090r both , i am no expert i suppose but when i test rode a 790 it felt like half the size of either
@@justsomedude445 the weight is very close actually. The KTM will feel lighter because of the low slung tank.
@@henrietn 45-50 pounds is not close in my book , or any of the testers or reviewers ive seen...?? ride safe wildman
No amount of performance can hid the face of that ktm.. 🤣
The Norden!
It's a bit irritating that you use KTM 890 Adv Rallye (NOT R) footage), especially when talking about the suspension. There is a huge difference between the Rallye's and the R's suspension (as well as on their price-tags). Anyway, owning a 1090R I'd go for a 890 R... but Norden really looks distinguished as hell!
Maybe alone with that opinion, but I really prefer the looks of the KTM over the Husqvarna.
Of course 890Ad. R. The higher you are from the ground, the more you will enjoy it🤙🤙🤙
Looks are subjective to your desires, (they all look like big dirt bikes) pick your poison. The suspension on the Adventure R is what caused me to purchase the KTM Adventure R.
The one which is more reliable…
Ducati desert x for me.
I’d pick the AT 😋
Norton 901 👍
Husky, without a doubt. All that pedigree...
Yeah, KTM pedigree ;)
The Norden is built in China not sure about the Ktm, so is Ktm building the engine and the Chinese assembling in China?
sorry on ktm get some better designers, the huski has a beautiful design. and we all hope they learn to handle the engine quality better ,all japaner get superb engineto work on its service and and .
Is this a Husquarna/KTM ad?
I love the performance and power delivery. Also I love a long ride from remote region of California desert and all the way down to Patagonia…thats why I’d choose Yamaha T700 or Honda AT.