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His claim of producing the most detailed YT reviews is spot on. Can’t think of anyone who does the range of things he does. And he is one of the very few people who know the correct pronunciation of Husqvarna.
You are going way to fast.Adventure is not a race.You are more into performance .Reliability is first in a adventure bike .It isn't in Motocross so much.Back to square one.If it isn't extremely reliable it cannot be trusted on a adventure.
Thanks for adding the metric conversions, really helpful for us Europeans :) Not many people do that properly on YT so cheers for that! For the traction control discussion, I had exactly that experience in a ...car. Had an old e39 BMW some years ago and it's great TCS allowed me going through snow and ice without any problems while other newer cars were totally stuck. It just found traction, sounds like what the 890 is doing.
While I don't have Ian's experience I can agree. My 890 Adventure S is my second ADV bike after owning a BMW 850GSA and several dual sports. I'm just at 1,600 miles and after my mini custom BDR ride the other day I'm just in love with this bike. The ease and confidence that I can tackle some difficult sections is several levels higher than I had on the BMW which at times inspired dread. The lower center of gravity, lower seat height, the excellent power delivered through great electronics are just confidence inspiring. I seriously think it climbs hills better than my 300 cc dual sport. But the real shining star is the transition between the trails and the road. This thing is almost sports bike like when I hit the twisty connecting roads between trail sections. This is what I feel an ADV bike should be, why it should be a better choice for some rides than a dual sport, that ability to play sport bike to the end of the pavement, play dirt bike for awhile then go back to sport bike. This bike does that. so long as she stays reliable she's a keeper.
Agree on all except reliability... This bike UNFORTUNATELY has shown to be most unreliable , which I see and hear from literally hundreds of reviews of owners... It is just tragedy how much potential this bike has and how KTM has dropped the ball with cheap parts and bad customer service and simply bad reliability with too many things from TFT, electronics, lights, brakes and what not...shockingly unreliable...to the point where they say it is normal if your new bike does not ignite at first attempt or if screen does not work , like these are no biggies 😅😅
Hi, Filippo from Italy here and sorry for my English. I have currently a BMW850gsa that I am fully satisfied. Fully. But I am use to use my bike 70% off road and 30% on road and I am really thinking about new 2023 ktm890advR. Can you resume for me what you prefer and not like of each bike? Thank you !
@@Igor12822 could you list a few issues pertaining reliability which you have came across or heard about? Currently i am on a 2014 GSA 1200. I am contemplating on making the switch and getting the 890 adv r. Would like to hear unbias reviews
Thank you Ian. FUN is mostly underrated when it comes to bike reviews. Mostly all we hear about is specifications. Apple computers made an award winning series of ads pointing out what you can DO with their computers rather than any specs they may have. Your excitement while riding your 890 Rally was infectious. Having a motorcycle that doesn't 'call' you to go ride it isn't worth owning. No matter how reliable it may be....
exactly. For dead on reliability I've got a car... When I sit on my motorcycle I want to have fun. If it isnt engaging then whats the point of riding a bike in the first place?
Another positive that's rarely mentioned about the 790/890 adventure models is they generally do not require any additional crash bars that can add weight. Other than beafing up the sump guard and adding bark busters of course. Most other adventure bikes require a series of crash bars for both the lower and often the upper sections of the engine/fuel tank. Some do add lower crash bars to their 790/890 adv bikes but its pretty clear you don't actually need them. And the tank does a pretty good job of protecting the engine. Overall a weight advantage here I'd say.
Feel this is a good honest review. Not many riders can give the negative reviews that you do, especially of the bikes they own. That's why I like your reviews.
I love the introduction of the video, 👍 I was talking to the shop manager at my local KTM dealer and we both agree that the main issue is not the bikes or the shop, the main issue is KTM it self and how they respond to the problems that the shop and the owner are facing with the bike .
Great review as always. Two points. 1) Its purchase price requires above average moolah. 2) Reliability issues often require available moolah to pay for parts and service. Great bike if you have the discretionary moolah to purchase and maintain it. Not everyone does. Thanks for the great review.
It's not only about money, I seen 890 adventure r break down on trips with several silly problems that you can't fix yourself and that is a problem on long trips.
Yep. If KTM would resolve their reliability / build issues, and bolster their dealer network, there's no reason they wouldn't dominate the entire adv segment really.
Nice review. Suspension is the difference. My 890R is the beast & I share your perspectives. One note ... regarding the "reliability issues" ... I maintain that if just take care of the machine & it will take care of you. Period. You can't be careless and expect to ride the world's best Adventure platform without a hiccup here and there. Honda has issues, Yamaha has them as well, and yes - even KTM's aren't perfect. Even though you paid big bucks ... no machine is "perfect". You get it. With the starting ... recall that when cold, the KTM still uses an open loop fuel map. Meaning that with only the temperature sensor & lacking any other sensor feedback (like an O2 sensor or your throttle itself) the engine will only run as programmed. It it cold, so the engine is therefore running lean & yes - it stalls. This should be no surprise. To resolve this, simply twist the throttle 20-30 degrees on the first start while pressing the starter, let the engine accelerate for 1-2 seconds & then let go so the bike returns to idle. My 890 does not stall when I do this ... ever. why isn't the KTM better than this? Please consider that KTM is making a machine that should NOT involve an algorithm determining your engine speed. It's just too dangerous. Who wants a bike "taking off" on its own? I wouldn't enjoy that thrill ride if I'm not in 100% control! The intake plenum openings are governed by your throttle position, so richen up the mixture with quick twist & then let go. It works & I think you will find other points to address moving forward. Best of luck.
Might be true for the 890 but my 790 is a death trap. It's on its 2nd engine in 6000mi and it's tried to kill me in several creative ways (dropped the swingarm when bolts backed out, front brakes failed locked, piston siezed on the highway). None of this is due to a lack of maintenance, all of these failures happened in
Congrats on finding one! Until you ride a race bike you don’t fully appreciate how crappy the mass produced bikes are. Its definitely worth it and when manufacturers build these special models where they add race spec parts take advantage and get one. They have done all the work in installation, calibrating and tuning the parts. Beyond the special models are turnkey race bikes. 👍🏼
I had a 790r and now an 890r. The 890 is a very different feeling bike. It feels much lighter and much lower centre of gravity even though it’s slightly heavier. It’s even easier to manoeuvre around the garage. Most of all the engine isn’t as raw. It feels a lot more composed. I have been riding for 48 years and love this bike to pieces. Watch most of your reviews and enjoy them for their honesty and accuracy.👍
Have the 790 Rally and with the Rottweiler Intake and Power Commander, the engine performs better than the 890 R. Smooth, low end torque and rips up top.
I took my new 2023 KTM 890 ADV R out this weekend. I found everything in this video to be accurate. Thank you for doing such thorough reviews of so many different adventure motorcycles. And, I certainly appreciate your journalistic integrity. Of all of the dozens of different reviews I’ve been watching recently on TH-cam, yours is the only channel that I subscribed to. Great job.!!
I put the 270mm pro suspension on my 890 R. the R suspension is pretty good, but I will say that the difference is staggering. The pro suspension is SO plush. It is the best suspension I have ever ridden. I am short legged though, and the bike is ludicrously tall. I was able to get the suspension NEW shipped from Germany for around $4000. The exchange rate is fantastic right now. Then I also have the R suspension to sell.
@@mfranquemont1884 I left the damping alone and swapped out the springs for my weight. I got the springs from solid performance, and installed them myself.
Seeing the offroad section just blew me away. The rough terrain versus how little the head unit and bike is moving and shaking is just insane. it's as you just described prior how good the chassis and suspension is.
Just got a 2023 890 Adventure R and put over 300 miles on it so far and absolutely LOVE this machine!!! I have more experience on road than off so this is going to be a blast- I'm in Northern AZ... I am amazed at how maneuverable this bike is in the asphalt - I just push the handlebar and it leans easier than most bikes I have ridden!! and I feel extremely confident in the dirt- He is right that it just feels like a 300 lb machine! great ideas for mods and accessories in this video!!! Thanks Ian!!!
Absolutely love your passion and your attention to detail in making these videos. You have some of the best motorcycle content on the entire internet. Well done!
Thank you for showing the starting issue. I think this speaks volume as your channel has a huge following and hopefully KTM will see this and realize this is a huge problem that needs addressed. For a bike at this price point, it should start every time and the engine shouldn’t sound like it’s about to explode. Hopefully this will have a fix at some point. This is very concerning that they aren’t addressing these issues and supporting their rider base.
@@rykehuss3435 it also is bad in hot weather too! I’m in Florida with this problem. Also, when it gets up to temperature it likes to stall with clutch in.. it acts as if the engine is overheating
If I were a young fella like you, I’d want one of these. The shape I’m in, the Norden is the perfect bike for me. Thank you for showing it to me. And thanks for this review. It seems like an amazing adventure bike.
My 2020 790 R has given me 3 years and 30,000 km of trouble free riding. I took it to the dealer for the 30,000 km service where they found both camshafts worn beyond limits. Despite the fact my warranty had expired KTM covered the parts and labor. What more can you ask for.
Much like yourself I was lucky to get one. The local dealer had the KTM rep reach out to them to ask if they wanted to move a Rally that was ordered and the customer backed out on the delivery. They called me knowing I was interested in trading my 790 ADV-R for the 890 motor in the updated model. They told me it was in the shop and to come down. I ran down there and made the deal happen. I ride my ADV bike like some people ride their EXC-F's. I love - love - love the 890 motor over the 790. The larger flywheel and the fueling are spot on over the 790's light flywheel and flame out fueling. Also 3rd gear wheelies on the 890 are like a 701 Supermoto, It's such a great machine. The suspension is a get out of jail card for those hidden washouts hit at speed. I have clenched every muscle only to have the bike soak up some big hits without much drama. The only issue I have is wind buffeting at highway speeds. I may purchase that PUIG screen you have on yours.
That bike is an extremely expensive, extremely high maintenance, extremely high performance machine. If I had one, I would probably not bother to own any other vehicle. (Many years ago I used to ride an old 650 Kat - my only vehicle at the time - throughout European winters). Lots of people spend considerably more money on a second/hobby car and they probably don't ever do all that much mileage in them. In terms of sheer capability and "adventurability", it's hard to imagine anything comparable to that Rally (or a well modded 'R') and those qualities are conveyed extremely well in this excellent video by *Mr Ian.*
WHAT a bike! You make me want to trade in my T7. But when I ride that I feel happy anyway. And at least it’s handsome and starts in winter. Or so I tell myself. What a bike…
The first video of you I was thinking wow, this guy is so mellow and non emotional.... then I see you cackling while riding.... shows how excited the bike got you, super cool to see that emotion come out. Great honest reviews and much appreciated.
Honestly I'd love to see you do a more vlog style video of you taking this bike in a big trip. I love your review content but I also just enjoy seeing you enjoy a bike so much. And this seems like a bike worth taking on a big journey.
Hi brother fellow KTM rider in Charlotte NC great job on your videos!! I was lucky enough to get a KTM 890 rally. Recently joined as a BDR lifetime member. Keep up the excellent work !! I appreciate everything you do. Know you have a freind in NC if ever you are in the neighborhood 😉
Hi, good review! I have an AT Adventure Sports, 2018 model but already saw a video from a buddy with the same problem with KTM 890 (cold start). Here in Portugal, the guys in the dealership advised that the oxygen mix going to the engine needs to be tunned/adjusted as per the country specs where you buy the motorbike... he have done that and problem was solved! Take care, have a great one!!! ✌🏻
Your ride description, the giggle factor, is how I feel about my "lowly" R - the suspension on the R is phenomenal, so I can only imagine how great the WP Pro must be.
Update on my bike. Added the 270mm Pro suspension plus longer front brake lines and kickstand. Amazing suspension. Works exactly as you described. Totally worth it for me. However, it is tall and even at 6'2" with a 34 inch inseam I got in a situation where I parked the bike on a slight left downslope on a crowned road and could not lever the bike back to vertical while sitting on it, so had to get off and push the bike to a flatter spot. It had the tall seat so I have put the stock seat back on. Also a recalibration of the quick shifter at PCP Motorsports in Sacramento completely fixed the issues I was having. Works great now. The Pro suspension is an expensive upgrade but I only have one bike so could be worse.
I’m lucky to own one and agree with everything you said, good and bad. A testament to the honest reporting that you do. This bike is sooo fun to ride… everywhere!
I just wish KTM's were reliable. SO many stories of electrical issues and issues with parts availability. Just can't do it. Would rather have a bike that is more "boring" but that rarely, if ever, breaks and, when it does, isn't such a pain in the arse.
As always, another great review hitting the highs and lows. I'm glad you touched on the starting issue and I hope the KTM will pay attention and fix this. My 890 Rally was 25K out the door and its plagued by the starting issue, this is unacceptable no matter what price you pay.
Great video man… just awesome. I have had Hondas, Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki… they all have issues, upsides and downsides… some were dead reliable and would not quit… but lacked in suspension, power and thrill… and say what you will but this 890 will take me places no other bike did. My 22 890 ADV R is flat out amazing. Best bike I’ve ever owned. (Next to my KTM 890 duke but that’s a whole different thing…) Smiles per gallon are through the roof and only my skill limits where this thing will take me. Thank you for your review and perspective!! Keep it up!
Great honest information. I just got a 2021 890r and I am loving it so far. I appreciate you touching on the good and bad not just a glowing review that one sees by so many reviewers these days. Keep it up.
I test rode a base model 890 Adventure and was taken by an overall fabulous package. I don’t have your adventure opportunities so mine is mostly road biased but the potential for light off-road. Over my ATAS DCT ES the KTM has that easily used but hard to actually quantify quality: FUN! I didn’t want to give it back and wandered much further than I’d have expected. No off-road but everything that I encounter be it town, back roads, main highways and boring freeways and it did it well. So light to handle and easy to put exactly where I wanted. Totally planted with great brakes and compliant suspension. Much less dive than the ATAS. The quickshifter is slick up and down but the clutch was fine if needed. I didn’t experience any issues but lack of hydraulic is ludicrous for a company that puts hydraulic clutches on their small dirt bikes. Much of your comment resonated with me with the net result that my ATAS is for sale and a deposit paid for an 890 Adventure. More orange than I’d like but infinitely changeable. Bore you more when I get it! Take care, Ian
The Rally is definitely a awesome bike. I really feel the ktm890 standard is one of the most under rated bike for its price. I know you have had some reliability problems with your ktm I have had no reliability issues with my 890.
It will be interesting to see how much closer the 23 model will be to this rally edition and some of his other complaints. I ordered one a month ago. I’ve never had an adventure bike and haven’t ridden a street bike in decades. Super excited . Love my 350 exc-f though
I test rode an 890 adventure R in The Netherlands. I had an immobilizer failure just 500 meters into my test drive. Bike turned off but thankfully I could start it back up again. Needless to say I won't buy one, just because of the reliability issues. Even though this bike is arguably the best adventurebike I've ridden.
I've really enjoyed the 790 and 890s I've ridden. And every KTM has that rattle, my 990 had it, my 690 had it, and every other one I've heard has it. For long range travel I'll always turn to my T7, but if I needed to ride fast and hard all the time the 890 would be an interesting option.
I have a 21 R model! The bike has been amazing! Truly amazing! As for the cold start issue I have found that if you blip the throttle as soon as it starts a couple times I have no issue from then on. Usually starts in one try with this method. max 2 times. I live in colorado. Love the bike.
Great video man! As a new owner of an 890 ADV R, I'm still learning it. I would have bought the Rally in a heartbeat if I could have found one. I wish KTM would bring back the Rally. How much taller is the Rally vs. the 890 R? As far as the cold starts go: Turn the key on and then turn the ignition switch to on position, but don't start it. Leave the on switch "on" for about 30-60 seconds. This will prime the injectors and the bike should start and run like normal. It takes some practice to get the timing just right.
I rode all the passes in the San Juans this summer also. That hill on Hurricane was long and steep. I helped a guy on a Tenere 700 pick his bike up 3 times there. My DR650 tractored up all those passes suprisingly well.
I know only KTM Fanboys will click on this video so...As Good As It Gets until it goes into the shop... Had a 790 and gave 890 a go. Nothing but issues. The tiger 900 rally Pro is the only true 50/50 bike. 16, 000 trouble-free miles and Counting.
Looks like a ridiculously fun bike. That said, I don't understand how a true adventure bike can require premium gas. My experience that there are at least some (many?) gas stations in rural/remote areas that do not carry premium. Even if I had that kind of money, that one factor along would take it off my list.
Every once in a while the perfect bike comes around, and holds everything else to a higher standard. I’m very excited to see what other manufacturers have in store to answer ktm.
Spot on and many thanks. I bought a used 890R and, similar to you a big grin every time I ride it. The front suspension is as good (sometime feel better) than my 2017 300 XCw, I concur KTM did an outstanding job with the bike suspension. As good as the R is I can't even imagine what the Rally must be like as the R is fantastic. The electronics, well, I am sure I don't use to their ability but what I have used is again fantastic. I need to fiddle more, though extremely impressed with the bike. Sooo much fun to ride and very happy that I bought it. Many thanks Ian, Craig
I can see that front suspension working amazingly well. Yes, a well-endowed big dirt bike 🙂 Yep, smooth as silk. I can only admire. Having the fuel as close to the axel plane makes such a difference. I was after a low Km F800gs for that, among other, reason. Yes, the KTM is way out of my price range. (unless I sell every else I own), But if I live long enough and can still ride, sometimes anything is possible. PS; since coming back to riding so far, I usually spend 25% of the purchase price again on suspension. It's just that important. I have watched this vid before, fun to watch again. Cheers 👌
@@BigRockMoto I made a video on it on my TH-cam channel. But I will list them here: Uneven front break disks Recurrent Immobilezer failure Recurrent Moisture inside the TFT display Recurrent Cold start issues Recurrent False neutrals Very high oil consumption Front break reservoir leak Rusty break calipers fuel valves issues And a Loose break light
i love this bike. the innovation and attention to the needs of the riders is outstanding in its physical form but i will never own a KTM because of the company itself and its disregard for quality control and post sale warranty. they will do anything to avoid fixing your bike.
I believe the inconsistent clutch feel and performance is due to the oiling design, not the cable actuation. Instead of riding in an oil bath, it gets a dribble from a .3mm oil jet. My plates don't get look like they get oiled consistently with each other, and I'm assuming some plates do more work than others due to the spotty lubrication. Crap design that left me stranded when the oil jet plugged. All that said, yes my 790S is the most fun I've ever had riding. Nuts that KTM will not communicate on the clutch and cam issues. Best riding bike I can imagine, but there is always doubt in my mind because KTM is silent on the causes of reported issues.
You say your only complaints about the Norden 901 was the suspension and the windshield. Haha, it's almost like Husqvarna read your mind......behold the new Norden 901 Expedition with the main difference being better suspension and a bigger windshield! Great reviews as always, keep it up!
I have a 790 Adv S. I installed a Boosterplug - and I believe I have had 1 starting issue - and it was HOT after a long climb. The bike makes me smile so much (without dreaming of a Rally :D - thanks for a great review.
1) My 1090 has similar issue at cold starts, even though its parked in a nice warm garage in LA. 2) After my trip on CABDR, I was envying the weight and nimbleness of 890s that other riders were riding on.
i have a 790 rally and it is the baddest adv bike on the planet. no question. of course it rules in the dirt and it's also outstanding on the street. "expensive" is relative. thank you for updating title from 'brutally honest review". we'll assume that all your comments are always honest.
Ok, a hard to find, limited production KTM that typically have reliability issues will not ever be in my garage. Plus my local KTM dealer sux ass. Your reviews, photography and editing are great 👍🏻
21:20 you can really see how little the bars and windscreen move in relation to the terrain, awesome dampening and compression control. Can see hear and feel the excitement.
I love my Rally. The Rotwieler intake is worth its weight in gold. If your a serious off roader you'll need to beef up the clutch springs and get the Rotwieler headlight support. The check ball valve in the gas cap needs to be pulled and some heat tape put on the underside of tank. Its a Bad motorcycle! Really enjoy your channel.
Rode ophir, corkscrew, hurricane, hagerman, all the "tough" passes on the CO BDR plus many other harder ones like Mosquito and Georgia on my Norden, never got stuck or didn't make it up any section like the riders in this video. Unless you're at Chris Birch's level one can't maximize the Rally as it's obviously way more bike than Ian and most riders can utilize, a minor upgrade of suspension on the Norden or the 890 R stock is plenty for 99.5% of riders. That said a Norden Rally would be a dream bike.
ok, first of all, killer intro. the way the mud knocked the camera over and filmed the sky, and they led to the title shot?! excellent. Assumed that's how it played out. now back to the movie
To be honest you are the most experienced & knowledgeable adventure rider I have seen in TH-cam. For me it's a dream come true to ride those bikes which you were listing in this video. Ktm 890 rally is my dream bike & I hope atleast they release 890 R here in India. By the way I own 390 adventure & I am a avid follower of your content. Amazing content as always 👏.
Just wanted to comment on cold starts. In simple terms the higher the octane the harder it is to make an explosion that’s high-octane fuel removes knock in cooler weather If you lower your octane a little bit your bike will start fine
Was that a squirrel in the background going up the driveway/street 4:21-4:33? As an Aussie I find that so damned cute. I was so excited to see a real squirrel on something I was watching that wasn't a movie or nature show. LUVVIT! 🐿️
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I believe that's not a Catalytic Converter but Resonator. I'm not sure but that's the case in Adv 390. :) The Catcons are inbuilt in the header pipes.
dude, that haircut, please do something about it! youre wasing potential
His claim of producing the most detailed YT reviews is spot on. Can’t think of anyone who does the range of things he does. And he is one of the very few people who know the correct pronunciation of Husqvarna.
Agreed, except it's pronounced husky 😉
Fagetta bout it Adam
You are absolutely correct
@@adamrichards2072 My pronunciation of "Husky" is perfect :D
MAD TV?
You are going way to fast.Adventure is not a race.You are more into performance .Reliability is first in a adventure bike .It isn't in Motocross so much.Back to square one.If it isn't extremely reliable it cannot be trusted on a adventure.
Thanks for adding the metric conversions, really helpful for us Europeans :) Not many people do that properly on YT so cheers for that! For the traction control discussion, I had exactly that experience in a ...car. Had an old e39 BMW some years ago and it's great TCS allowed me going through snow and ice without any problems while other newer cars were totally stuck. It just found traction, sounds like what the 890 is doing.
While I don't have Ian's experience I can agree. My 890 Adventure S is my second ADV bike after owning a BMW 850GSA and several dual sports. I'm just at 1,600 miles and after my mini custom BDR ride the other day I'm just in love with this bike. The ease and confidence that I can tackle some difficult sections is several levels higher than I had on the BMW which at times inspired dread. The lower center of gravity, lower seat height, the excellent power delivered through great electronics are just confidence inspiring. I seriously think it climbs hills better than my 300 cc dual sport. But the real shining star is the transition between the trails and the road. This thing is almost sports bike like when I hit the twisty connecting roads between trail sections. This is what I feel an ADV bike should be, why it should be a better choice for some rides than a dual sport, that ability to play sport bike to the end of the pavement, play dirt bike for awhile then go back to sport bike. This bike does that. so long as she stays reliable she's a keeper.
Well said
Agree on all except reliability... This bike UNFORTUNATELY has shown to be most unreliable , which I see and hear from literally hundreds of reviews of owners... It is just tragedy how much potential this bike has and how KTM has dropped the ball with cheap parts and bad customer service and simply bad reliability with too many things from TFT, electronics, lights, brakes and what not...shockingly unreliable...to the point where they say it is normal if your new bike does not ignite at first attempt or if screen does not work , like these are no biggies 😅😅
Hi, Filippo from Italy here and sorry for my English. I have currently a BMW850gsa that I am fully satisfied. Fully. But I am use to use my bike 70% off road and 30% on road and I am really thinking about new 2023 ktm890advR. Can you resume for me what you prefer and not like of each bike? Thank you !
Get a tenere 700
@@Igor12822 could you list a few issues pertaining reliability which you have came across or heard about? Currently i am on a 2014 GSA 1200. I am contemplating on making the switch and getting the 890 adv r. Would like to hear unbias reviews
Thank you Ian. FUN is mostly underrated when it comes to bike reviews. Mostly all we hear about is specifications. Apple computers made an award winning series of ads pointing out what you can DO with their computers rather than any specs they may have. Your excitement while riding your 890 Rally was infectious. Having a motorcycle that doesn't 'call' you to go ride it isn't worth owning. No matter how reliable it may be....
exactly. For dead on reliability I've got a car... When I sit on my motorcycle I want to have fun. If it isnt engaging then whats the point of riding a bike in the first place?
I put my bike to bed for the winter and there is snow on the ground - his ride made me want to pull my 890 back out anyway.
@@endangeredmarmot4518 Get some studded winter tires on it and go for it. Dress warmly!
Another positive that's rarely mentioned about the 790/890 adventure models is they generally do not require any additional crash bars that can add weight. Other than beafing up the sump guard and adding bark busters of course. Most other adventure bikes require a series of crash bars for both the lower and often the upper sections of the engine/fuel tank. Some do add lower crash bars to their 790/890 adv bikes but its pretty clear you don't actually need them. And the tank does a pretty good job of protecting the engine. Overall a weight advantage here I'd say.
Yes, I should have put that in the review, very true
ian says it all the time
Feel this is a good honest review. Not many riders can give the negative reviews that you do, especially of the bikes they own. That's why I like your reviews.
I love the introduction of the video, 👍
I was talking to the shop manager at my local KTM dealer and we both agree that the main issue is not the bikes or the shop, the main issue is KTM it self and how they respond to the problems that the shop and the owner are facing with the bike .
True
Great review as always. Two points. 1) Its purchase price requires above average moolah. 2) Reliability issues often require available moolah to pay for parts and service. Great bike if you have the discretionary moolah to purchase and maintain it. Not everyone does. Thanks for the great review.
It's not only about money, I seen 890 adventure r break down on trips with several silly problems that you can't fix yourself and that is a problem on long trips.
Yep. If KTM would resolve their reliability / build issues, and bolster their dealer network, there's no reason they wouldn't dominate the entire adv segment really.
Maybe you meant moolah?
@@mediocreman2 Moolah would be a more accurate spelling instead of mulah. Will adjust, thanks to your comment.
@@mr.solitude3352 both the same
Nice review. Suspension is the difference. My 890R is the beast & I share your perspectives. One note ... regarding the "reliability issues" ... I maintain that if just take care of the machine & it will take care of you. Period. You can't be careless and expect to ride the world's best Adventure platform without a hiccup here and there. Honda has issues, Yamaha has them as well, and yes - even KTM's aren't perfect. Even though you paid big bucks ... no machine is "perfect". You get it. With the starting ... recall that when cold, the KTM still uses an open loop fuel map. Meaning that with only the temperature sensor & lacking any other sensor feedback (like an O2 sensor or your throttle itself) the engine will only run as programmed. It it cold, so the engine is therefore running lean & yes - it stalls. This should be no surprise. To resolve this, simply twist the throttle 20-30 degrees on the first start while pressing the starter, let the engine accelerate for 1-2 seconds & then let go so the bike returns to idle. My 890 does not stall when I do this ... ever. why isn't the KTM better than this? Please consider that KTM is making a machine that should NOT involve an algorithm determining your engine speed. It's just too dangerous. Who wants a bike "taking off" on its own? I wouldn't enjoy that thrill ride if I'm not in 100% control! The intake plenum openings are governed by your throttle position, so richen up the mixture with quick twist & then let go. It works & I think you will find other points to address moving forward. Best of luck.
Might be true for the 890 but my 790 is a death trap. It's on its 2nd engine in 6000mi and it's tried to kill me in several creative ways (dropped the swingarm when bolts backed out, front brakes failed locked, piston siezed on the highway). None of this is due to a lack of maintenance, all of these failures happened in
@@theSquashSH Geez, thats rough
Congrats on finding one! Until you ride a race bike you don’t fully appreciate how crappy the mass produced bikes are. Its definitely worth it and when manufacturers build these special models where they add race spec parts take advantage and get one. They have done all the work in installation, calibrating and tuning the parts. Beyond the special models are turnkey race bikes. 👍🏼
Love the squirrel @4:31 :)
Awesome review as always.
I had a 790r and now an 890r. The 890 is a very different feeling bike. It feels much lighter and much lower centre of gravity even though it’s slightly heavier. It’s even easier to manoeuvre around the garage. Most of all the engine isn’t as raw. It feels a lot more composed. I have been riding for 48 years and love this bike to pieces. Watch most of your reviews and enjoy them for their honesty and accuracy.👍
Have the 790 Rally and with the Rottweiler Intake and Power Commander, the engine performs better than the 890 R. Smooth, low end torque and rips up top.
I took my new 2023 KTM 890 ADV R out this weekend. I found everything in this video to be accurate. Thank you for doing such thorough reviews of so many different adventure motorcycles. And, I certainly appreciate your journalistic integrity. Of all of the dozens of different reviews I’ve been watching recently on TH-cam, yours is the only channel that I subscribed to. Great job.!!
Great to hear!
I put the 270mm pro suspension on my 890 R. the R suspension is pretty good, but I will say that the difference is staggering. The pro suspension is SO plush. It is the best suspension I have ever ridden. I am short legged though, and the bike is ludicrously tall. I was able to get the suspension NEW shipped from Germany for around $4000. The exchange rate is fantastic right now. Then I also have the R suspension to sell.
Now that's brilliant!
Do you have specifics on the supplier/shop? Did they put in custom (to your weight) springs?
@@mfranquemont1884 I left the damping alone and swapped out the springs for my weight. I got the springs from solid performance, and installed them myself.
I have a T7 but when I sat on this bike it fit like a glove, it didn't feel top heavy it felt natural. You're a lucky dude.
Seeing the offroad section just blew me away. The rough terrain versus how little the head unit and bike is moving and shaking is just insane. it's as you just described prior how good the chassis and suspension is.
Just got a 2023 890 Adventure R and put over 300 miles on it so far and absolutely LOVE this machine!!! I have more experience on road than off so this is going to be a blast- I'm in Northern AZ... I am amazed at how maneuverable this bike is in the asphalt - I just push the handlebar and it leans easier than most bikes I have ridden!! and I feel extremely confident in the dirt- He is right that it just feels like a 300 lb machine!
great ideas for mods and accessories in this video!!! Thanks Ian!!!
Absolutely love your passion and your attention to detail in making these videos.
You have some of the best motorcycle content on the entire internet. Well done!
Thank you for showing the starting issue. I think this speaks volume as your channel has a huge following and hopefully KTM will see this and realize this is a huge problem that needs addressed. For a bike at this price point, it should start every time and the engine shouldn’t sound like it’s about to explode. Hopefully this will have a fix at some point. This is very concerning that they aren’t addressing these issues and supporting their rider base.
I hope so too!
I'm from Poland with much colder weather. I have no starting problems at all. KTM 890 AdvR 2021
Imagine trying to start it in like - 10C (14F) weather
@@rykehuss3435 it also is bad in hot weather too! I’m in Florida with this problem. Also, when it gets up to temperature it likes to stall with clutch in.. it acts as if the engine is overheating
For me salt is a bigger problem than low temperatures. I tried multiple times on -4C without any problems.
If I were a young fella like you, I’d want one of these. The shape I’m in, the Norden is the perfect bike for me. Thank you for showing it to me. And thanks for this review. It seems like an amazing adventure bike.
My 2020 790 R has given me 3 years and 30,000 km of trouble free riding. I took it to the dealer for the 30,000 km service where they found both camshafts worn beyond limits. Despite the fact my warranty had expired KTM covered the parts and labor. What more can you ask for.
:What more can you ask for : .Camshafts that don't wear so fast?
We all knew he would eventually come back to the KTM 790/890 platform? Welcome back brotha!!!
Much like yourself I was lucky to get one. The local dealer had the KTM rep reach out to them to ask if they wanted to move a Rally that was ordered and the customer backed out on the delivery. They called me knowing I was interested in trading my 790 ADV-R for the 890 motor in the updated model. They told me it was in the shop and to come down. I ran down there and made the deal happen. I ride my ADV bike like some people ride their EXC-F's. I love - love - love the 890 motor over the 790. The larger flywheel and the fueling are spot on over the 790's light flywheel and flame out fueling. Also 3rd gear wheelies on the 890 are like a 701 Supermoto, It's such a great machine. The suspension is a get out of jail card for those hidden washouts hit at speed. I have clenched every muscle only to have the bike soak up some big hits without much drama. The only issue I have is wind buffeting at highway speeds. I may purchase that PUIG screen you have on yours.
That bike is an extremely expensive, extremely high maintenance, extremely high performance machine. If I had one, I would probably not bother to own any other vehicle. (Many years ago I used to ride an old 650 Kat - my only vehicle at the time - throughout European winters).
Lots of people spend considerably more money on a second/hobby car and they probably don't ever do all that much mileage in them.
In terms of sheer capability and "adventurability", it's hard to imagine anything comparable to that Rally (or a well modded 'R') and those qualities are conveyed extremely well in this excellent video by *Mr Ian.*
WHAT a bike! You make me want to trade in my T7. But when I ride that I feel happy anyway. And at least it’s handsome and starts in winter. Or so I tell myself. What a bike…
In life, what we have is often what we need. Cheers.
The first video of you I was thinking wow, this guy is so mellow and non emotional.... then I see you cackling while riding.... shows how excited the bike got you, super cool to see that emotion come out. Great honest reviews and much appreciated.
Brakes are J.Juan, a spanish compay recently bought by Brembo. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for the info!
It is so good hearing how you're excited and enjoying yourself. Great review you've made a KTM fan of a Honda fanboy out of me
Honestly I'd love to see you do a more vlog style video of you taking this bike in a big trip. I love your review content but I also just enjoy seeing you enjoy a bike so much. And this seems like a bike worth taking on a big journey.
coming soon
Hi brother fellow KTM rider in Charlotte NC great job on your videos!! I was lucky enough to get a KTM 890 rally. Recently joined as a BDR lifetime member. Keep up the excellent work !! I appreciate everything you do. Know you have a freind in NC if ever you are in the neighborhood 😉
Hi, good review!
I have an AT Adventure Sports, 2018 model but already saw a video from a buddy with the same problem with KTM 890 (cold start). Here in Portugal, the guys in the dealership advised that the oxygen mix going to the engine needs to be tunned/adjusted as per the country specs where you buy the motorbike... he have done that and problem was solved!
Take care, have a great one!!! ✌🏻
It has FI - doesn't make sense.
Your ride description, the giggle factor, is how I feel about my "lowly" R - the suspension on the R is phenomenal, so I can only imagine how great the WP Pro must be.
Update on my bike. Added the 270mm Pro suspension plus longer front brake lines and kickstand. Amazing suspension. Works exactly as you described. Totally worth it for me. However, it is tall and even at 6'2" with a 34 inch inseam I got in a situation where I parked the bike on a slight left downslope on a crowned road and could not lever the bike back to vertical while sitting on it, so had to get off and push the bike to a flatter spot. It had the tall seat so I have put the stock seat back on. Also a recalibration of the quick shifter at PCP Motorsports in Sacramento completely fixed the issues I was having. Works great now. The Pro suspension is an expensive upgrade but I only have one bike so could be worse.
I’m lucky to own one and agree with everything you said, good and bad. A testament to the honest reporting that you do. This bike is sooo fun to ride… everywhere!
I just wish KTM's were reliable. SO many stories of electrical issues and issues with parts availability. Just can't do it. Would rather have a bike that is more "boring" but that rarely, if ever, breaks and, when it does, isn't such a pain in the arse.
That's one of the most incredible adventure motorcycles I've seen, congrats.
Clearly the best balanced bike that you have showed... by a long margin. Ackowledege your comments are supported by the video. Excellent, Thanks !!!
As always, another great review hitting the highs and lows. I'm glad you touched on the starting issue and I hope the KTM will pay attention and fix this. My 890 Rally was 25K out the door and its plagued by the starting issue, this is unacceptable no matter what price you pay.
Great video man… just awesome.
I have had Hondas, Yamaha, Suzuki and Kawasaki… they all have issues, upsides and downsides… some were dead reliable and would not quit… but lacked in suspension, power and thrill… and say what you will but this 890 will take me places no other bike did.
My 22 890 ADV R is flat out amazing. Best bike I’ve ever owned. (Next to my KTM 890 duke but that’s a whole different thing…)
Smiles per gallon are through the roof and only my skill limits where this thing will take me.
Thank you for your review and perspective!! Keep it up!
Great honest information. I just got a 2021 890r and I am loving it so far. I appreciate you touching on the good and bad not just a glowing review that one sees by so many reviewers these days. Keep it up.
Reliability is the most important thing for me .
I test rode a base model 890 Adventure and was taken by an overall fabulous package. I don’t have your adventure opportunities so mine is mostly road biased but the potential for light off-road. Over my ATAS DCT ES the KTM has that easily used but hard to actually quantify quality: FUN! I didn’t want to give it back and wandered much further than I’d have expected. No off-road but everything that I encounter be it town, back roads, main highways and boring freeways and it did it well. So light to handle and easy to put exactly where I wanted. Totally planted with great brakes and compliant suspension. Much less dive than the ATAS. The quickshifter is slick up and down but the clutch was fine if needed. I didn’t experience any issues but lack of hydraulic is ludicrous for a company that puts hydraulic clutches on their small dirt bikes. Much of your comment resonated with me with the net result that my ATAS is for sale and a deposit paid for an 890 Adventure. More orange than I’d like but infinitely changeable. Bore you more when I get it! Take care, Ian
I'd love to try a 890, I have a 990 and love it to death, the motor is so much fun.
The Rally is definitely a awesome bike. I really feel the ktm890 standard is one of the most under rated bike for its price. I know you have had some reliability problems with your ktm I have had no reliability issues with my 890.
Awesome intro!!! Rest of review is setting the benchmark for motorcycle review, as always. Well done!
Thanks!
one of the very few channels that goes all the way...thumbs up
I appreciate this video. I have a 790s and it's all I need. I'm a road bias rider.
It will be interesting to see how much closer the 23 model will be to this rally edition and some of his other complaints.
I ordered one a month ago. I’ve never had an adventure bike and haven’t ridden a street bike in decades. Super excited .
Love my 350 exc-f though
Sounds like the 23 model will be incorporating a lot of the Rally goodies!
I test rode an 890 adventure R in The Netherlands. I had an immobilizer failure just 500 meters into my test drive. Bike turned off but thankfully I could start it back up again. Needless to say I won't buy one, just because of the reliability issues. Even though this bike is arguably the best adventurebike I've ridden.
I've really enjoyed the 790 and 890s I've ridden. And every KTM has that rattle, my 990 had it, my 690 had it, and every other one I've heard has it. For long range travel I'll always turn to my T7, but if I needed to ride fast and hard all the time the 890 would be an interesting option.
for all the travel you do, you have the right bike 100%
Amazing bike and terrific review, Ian. Love to have one of these!
Hands down the best motorcycle reviews on TH-cam! Thank you!
Another Great Review Ian. Thanks for sharing with us.
I have a 21 R model! The bike has been amazing! Truly amazing! As for the cold start issue I have found that if you blip the throttle as soon as it starts a couple times I have no issue from then on. Usually starts in one try with this method. max 2 times. I live in colorado. Love the bike.
Thanks for sharing
Great video man! As a new owner of an 890 ADV R, I'm still learning it. I would have bought the Rally in a heartbeat if I could have found one. I wish KTM would bring back the Rally. How much taller is the Rally vs. the 890 R?
As far as the cold starts go: Turn the key on and then turn the ignition switch to on position, but don't start it. Leave the on switch "on" for about 30-60 seconds. This will prime the injectors and the bike should start and run like normal. It takes some practice to get the timing just right.
Big rock moto rocks. This was extensive as always. Thank you Sir.
0.36 seconds in...Now that's just a damn good looking bike! The lighting was perfect for that opener.
I rode all the passes in the San Juans this summer also. That hill on Hurricane was long and steep. I helped a guy on a Tenere 700 pick his bike up 3 times there. My DR650 tractored up all those passes suprisingly well.
This guy is really good really informative
I know only KTM Fanboys will click on this video so...As Good As It Gets until it goes into the shop... Had a 790 and gave 890 a go. Nothing but issues. The tiger 900 rally Pro is the only true 50/50 bike. 16, 000 trouble-free miles and Counting.
I covered that - because there is truth to your comment
You continue to do great reviews. Nice clear audio and video. I appreciate the review details. I always look for your reviews. Thank you.
I have about 21K miles on my 2021 890 Adv R Rally and I agree with just about everything you mentioned. Good Job. Great video.
Hey there! I have the ability to buy a 2021 890 rally with 14k miles for $13,500. Considering selling my 2005 950 adventure and buying this. Thoughts?
I don’t know anyone who personally owns one, so any advice would be super appreciated! Thanks
Looks like a ridiculously fun bike. That said, I don't understand how a true adventure bike can require premium gas. My experience that there are at least some (many?) gas stations in rural/remote areas that do not carry premium. Even if I had that kind of money, that one factor along would take it off my list.
Wow Ian. I want one. You're getting way faster too, been watching your videos for a while and you're really going faster now.
The cold start issue is real issue since at least Ktm 1100 adventure r, that's why I sold my one as I could not rely on it on cold mornings.
You said it perfectly. You ride the bike you do because of how it makes you feel.
Every once in a while the perfect bike comes around, and holds everything else to a higher standard. I’m very excited to see what other manufacturers have in store to answer ktm.
This bike is absolutely insane.
Spot on and many thanks. I bought a used 890R and, similar to you a big grin every time I ride it. The front suspension is as good (sometime feel better) than my 2017 300 XCw, I concur KTM did an outstanding job with the bike suspension. As good as the R is I can't even imagine what the Rally must be like as the R is fantastic. The electronics, well, I am sure I don't use to their ability but what I have used is again fantastic. I need to fiddle more, though extremely impressed with the bike. Sooo much fun to ride and very happy that I bought it. Many thanks Ian, Craig
squirrel at 4:28 :D
I thought I was the only one who noticed 😀
@@virajvrooms me also😁
I can see that front suspension working amazingly well. Yes, a well-endowed big dirt bike 🙂
Yep, smooth as silk. I can only admire.
Having the fuel as close to the axel plane makes such a difference. I was after a low Km F800gs for that, among other, reason. Yes, the KTM is way out of my price range. (unless I sell every else I own), But if I live long enough and can still ride, sometimes anything is possible.
PS; since coming back to riding so far, I usually spend 25% of the purchase price again on suspension. It's just that important.
I have watched this vid before, fun to watch again. Cheers 👌
I’ve got 10 major issues with my new 890 AdvR and totally lost confidence in the bike. Amazing performance but it left me stranded.
can you share at least the big ones? people want to know.
@@BigRockMoto I made a video on it on my TH-cam channel. But I will list them here:
Uneven front break disks
Recurrent Immobilezer failure
Recurrent Moisture inside the TFT display
Recurrent Cold start issues
Recurrent False neutrals
Very high oil consumption
Front break reservoir leak
Rusty break calipers
fuel valves issues
And a Loose break light
i love this bike. the innovation and attention to the needs of the riders is outstanding in its physical form but i will never own a KTM because of the company itself and its disregard for quality control and post sale warranty. they will do anything to avoid fixing your bike.
that seems true, unfortunately
That's such a beautiful bike! I have the 390 Adventure with the blue and white accents, which I love, but this takes it to a whole new level!
I believe the inconsistent clutch feel and performance is due to the oiling design, not the cable actuation. Instead of riding in an oil bath, it gets a dribble from a .3mm oil jet. My plates don't get look like they get oiled consistently with each other, and I'm assuming some plates do more work than others due to the spotty lubrication. Crap design that left me stranded when the oil jet plugged.
All that said, yes my 790S is the most fun I've ever had riding. Nuts that KTM will not communicate on the clutch and cam issues. Best riding bike I can imagine, but there is always doubt in my mind because KTM is silent on the causes of reported issues.
well said and good info
You say your only complaints about the Norden 901 was the suspension and the windshield. Haha, it's almost like Husqvarna read your mind......behold the new Norden 901 Expedition with the main difference being better suspension and a bigger windshield! Great reviews as always, keep it up!
The laugh is so contagious. Great content! Keep it up!
Cheers to you!!!
So happy you get to enjoy that bike. Thanks for sharing with us.
I have a 790 Adv S. I installed a Boosterplug - and I believe I have had 1 starting issue - and it was HOT after a long climb. The bike makes me smile so much (without dreaming of a Rally :D - thanks for a great review.
Pretty stoked for the "my 690" mention. Love the light weight performance unicorn content.
That engine did not sound good at all when it was idoling, the rattle was real.😳
Thanks for the review.👍
1) My 1090 has similar issue at cold starts, even though its parked in a nice warm garage in LA. 2) After my trip on CABDR, I was envying the weight and nimbleness of 890s that other riders were riding on.
i have a 790 rally and it is the baddest adv bike on the planet. no question. of course it rules in the dirt and it's also outstanding on the street. "expensive" is relative. thank you for updating title from 'brutally honest review". we'll assume that all your comments are always honest.
Right on!
reviewnya lengkap sekal. aku jadi bisa banyak belajar dari sini. terima kasih sudah berbagi
Would love to see you compare this to the Norden 901 Expedition Edition. Seems like they resolved a lot of the issues you mentioned with it.
Ok, a hard to find, limited production KTM that typically have reliability issues will not ever be in my garage. Plus my local KTM dealer sux ass. Your reviews, photography and editing are great 👍🏻
Fantastic review! Looking forward to your review of the 690 with rally specification in comparison to the 890.
21:20 you can really see how little the bars and windscreen move in relation to the terrain, awesome dampening and compression control. Can see hear and feel the excitement.
I love my Rally. The Rotwieler intake is worth its weight in gold. If your a serious off roader you'll need to beef up the clutch springs and get the Rotwieler headlight support. The check ball valve in the gas cap needs to be pulled and some heat tape put on the underside of tank. Its a Bad motorcycle! Really enjoy your channel.
Rode ophir, corkscrew, hurricane, hagerman, all the "tough" passes on the CO BDR plus many other harder ones like Mosquito and Georgia on my Norden, never got stuck or didn't make it up any section like the riders in this video. Unless you're at Chris Birch's level one can't maximize the Rally as it's obviously way more bike than Ian and most riders can utilize, a minor upgrade of suspension on the Norden or the 890 R stock is plenty for 99.5% of riders. That said a Norden Rally would be a dream bike.
Better advertisement than KTM Factory..great video..thank you.👍
ok, first of all, killer intro. the way the mud knocked the camera over and filmed the sky, and they led to the title shot?! excellent. Assumed that's how it played out. now back to the movie
To be honest you are the most experienced & knowledgeable adventure rider I have seen in TH-cam. For me it's a dream come true to ride those bikes which you were listing in this video.
Ktm 890 rally is my dream bike & I hope atleast they release 890 R here in India. By the way I own 390 adventure & I am a avid follower of your content. Amazing content as always 👏.
Thanks a lot 😊
Just wanted to comment on cold starts. In simple terms the higher the octane the harder it is to make an explosion that’s high-octane fuel removes knock in cooler weather If you lower your octane a little bit your bike will start fine
Great review! This looks like an excellent all-arounder!
The BRM laugh of approval. Totally worth the price of admission.
Great to hear you enjoying your ride. :)
Was that a squirrel in the background going up the driveway/street 4:21-4:33? As an Aussie I find that so damned cute. I was so excited to see a real squirrel on something I was watching that wasn't a movie or nature show. LUVVIT! 🐿️
I put money down on the new Norden 901 expedition with its better suspension like the 890 adventure R. Caine wait. Thanks for the great content.