'Greatest podcast on earth!!' dudes seriously I get so hyped to hobby and listen when ever an episode comes out. It is the greatest podcast in my chicken tendy-shaped heart.
This was an especially epic episode if you love Jon's crazy analogies. Amber, can we get b-roll style video of all of Jon's off the wall analogies? It couldn't become a fan favorite for sure. Lol Love you guys!
At 45:45 this hit me differently today. Thanks for sharing that Scott... Definitely teared up a little. I just left my secure and stable day job due to horrible treatment from the management for many years. I have no plan. I have a couple of threads to pursue, but I also have 4 mouths to feed depending on me. It is hard to be kind to myself. But this has been a wild couple of years so I guess it's getting to the point I need to.
in my experience, the hobby is only as serious as you make it. its great to take it serious, push yourself to improve, or really show what youve mastered. but its also important to have fun. i love to paint a model seriously, but i also make sure the next model i paint after a serious project is a "for fun" project. for example, a while back, i painted a "chaos space marine warp talon" in the color scheme of the original Wolverine outfit. i still look at that model months later with a feeling of true joy. its not my best painted mini, but its one of my favorites. i enjoyed it so much that im planning a "chaos space marine raptor" in the classic Batman scheme in the near future. theyre hilariously goofy concepts, evil space knights painted to resemble superheroes, but thats the point. have fun. dont limit yourself. experiment. purposefully paint something in a way that makes you laugh at it. my current "for fun" project is a pink death knight because thats hilarious. do it for the laughs every now and then. youll enjoy it.
Social Media has a huge impact. When someone looks at their feeds every day and sees 5-20 minis that look way better than their own paint jobs, it can mess with their heads in thinking they need to get way better.
I actively avoid mini painting social media accounts for this reason lol. I don't wanna see 20 other Space Marines with basecoats better than my entire finished product lol When I get better I'll seek some out for inspiration and challenge, but right now I'm content
That boxes thing is Fact! My daughter and I painted the other day, I was slowing painting buttons on some DKOK grenadiers while she was carelessly slapping colors on an owlbear. Some brown, pink, blue, all wet blended. some red on the paws because he's "fierce". She even got some metallic gold for a stripe down his back. In the end I'm pretty sure she's more proud of her 5 minute paint job than I am of the hours spent on the squad of Krieg.
Wow guys, you rocked that podcast! Freekin amazing. I started painting minis in the 80s with Tester paints and a nylon brush, it is so crazy how things have changed. Great job on the topic, this grumpy old man approves! 😅
My partner yesterday asked me if I was having "fun" while I was painting. And the answer was "idk if it's fun, but its satisfying." I think that there is a different kind of joy in putting the work into something.
Scott, Miniacs is called this way for the same reason it is in English (Miniac+miniature aka Maniaci + Miniatura/e in Italian) so its pretty similar, i'm part of the Aos community up here in Milan and big fan, just a '' coincidence'' for the two languages overlapping on these terms :)
There's so many reasons mini painting is sooo serious these days, but in one- it's technology. We can watch tutorials and see each other's work. We can kickstart stuff we like. We have equal access to materials and minis like never before. Ok, I'm old. like seriously old. I started painting minis when I bought fricking Hero Quest in 1991. The only paints I could readily find were Testors. Not even acrylic testors, but the enamels. So, yes, kids, I had to walk to school uphill in a foot of snow both ways. A couple years later, I found a store that sold Citadel stuff and it was like a miracle happened. I'm amazed at the development of paint in that time. The grind, the saturation, the variety, and the relatively low price point is awe inspiring and easy to get.
Hey goodie peepees, I’m the father is the son who did the outro for the multi basing episode on Miniacs’ channel. Bjorn has been painting minis since he could hold a brush just about and now he’s at the point where we can play games like Deadzone and cursed city together. Anytime I feel a little burnt out or that I’m taking things too seriously; I think about how every time I ask Bjorn what he’s thinking about, he replies “Minatures”. He’s so excited and he always talks about what kind of cool minis he wants to get. I could talk for a long time about how much I enjoy sharing the hobby with him but perhaps sharing it with your kids is a topic on its own?
This topic really hit home for me. I started terrain building and painting only about 3 years ago in my early 40s to do something with my oldest son. He quit quickly and I was hooked. But have felt building pressure and insecurities of my painting abilities, mostly I think because I over the course have watched a ton of youtube painting and crafting videos. I think for sure as adults we worry too much what others will think in this day and age. My husband doesnt paint but he used to give me and my son "advice" on each item we were painting/creating and I think this is the main reason my son quit, he didn't feel he was doing a good enough job. Since then I have stopped asking my husband what he thinks. When I first started I was much more carefree and I think that was due to not watching alot of videos prior to making/painting something. I started with terrain videos and to me there are alot of videos that I wouldnt say are sub par but their content and the way they craft stuff is definately doable for a newbie. Painting I have yet to see many vidoes where I am like ya I can totally do that or do that even better.
Ill be honest, going into this podcast, I had low expectations. In the world of podcasts where there's everything from Neuroscientists to Navy SEALs, I wasn't sure what this conversation would offer much. I couldnt have been more wrong. I was listening on Spotify and came here just to say how awesome this podcast was and I will be an ongoing listener! Thanks for doing what you guys do.
I love the topic. There is a crazy stress I see on people relating to painting minis. People just seem to worry about being perfect instead of just having fun with the hobby.
Serious: speaks to your video's that are 2hr plan out for the week painting an army, hacks/ short cuts, and guides/tools. It also is serious on "table top ready" and the want that impress others on your skills. I love the enthusiast that wants to teach others and find enjoyment in that process, you bust out the crayons and color inside the lines for hours. Please hang on the frig it seriously good. Great talk.
I’m 45, I started into Warhammer about 4 years ago and took 2 years away during Covid. I ended up watching Uncle Atom, Sam Lens, Lyla Mev, Dana Howl, and Scott & John. All these guides and videos and seeing people’s minis on Instagram exposes you to the highest standard of mini painting, and sets the bar really high. Coupled with the artwork on the box art for most Games Workshop minis looks decades in advance of what I’m capable of. I’ve had to set my mind to not looking too hard at the work of others, and to only compare my current painting ability to what I was capable of a year ago, otherwise I will always feel I’m “not good enough”.
Another analogy just for Jon. WIth the gym, there are people who just mess around and aren't "serious." Their results are diminished, and probably enjoyment as well. I chart my nutrition, follow strict programming, pay for coaching, video my lifts for review, etc. My results and my NET enjoyment of the overall satisfaction and experience are far greater because of greater investment and dedication. For my mini painting, I've recently learned different techniques (wet blending), new tools (airbrush), new mediums (oils), and minis outside GW grey. The time spent learning and "seriousness" have resulted in me enjoying the painting part of the hobby a heck of a lot more than I maybe did a decade ago. Technology and access to learning through YT, for example, have helped in a net positive way for me, which 20 years ago we didn't have access to. Even you two jokers.
I imagine a lot of your audience is also capitalizing on the hobby too. I'm a full-time painter and sculptor, so it stands to reason that I take it much more seriously that many hobbyists. So +1 to that point. There's also the point that when you start out, there's so much growth so quickly that even without taking it seriously, you'll get better and better results with each model; but as you reach those plateaus, it gets harder to improve, and you end up "over thinking" everything from color selection, to ambient occlusions, etc, just to get that same high of producing a better miniature.
Deathwish coffee was founded at a small coffee shop in the town I live in. (Saratoga ny) Every store around here is flooded with the stuff now. I did have a nice internal chuckle when jon said he started on that last episode.
Perhaps a helpful term to consider in light of "seriousness" of a hobby would be "professionalization," which probably has more to do with the making money, optimization reaction to the hobby, more than just a casual enjoyment activity/past-time, which could get more "serious" while still being ultimately a casual pasttime.
As a 13 year old, I painted lizardmen almost every evening. As far as I remember, I did care about the result a lot. After the whole year I did finish like 20 skinks and some saurus with clubs n shield - which was absolutely fine for me. Time was a seemingly infinite commodity back then.
lol dudes i love this pod cast. like its super helpful, and you guys reference some of the same stuff. then you guys give us gifts like the condom safety video. legit watched it 20 times since monday.
Hey! sorry about the channel name Scott :) but 100% when I paint with my kids they are so happy with what they produce in almost any form that its infectious, reminds you to take some joy in process. keep up the great work.
It's only as serious as the company you keep, just like anything else. I don't care to mix business with pleasure. But, I still give effort when I paint or do anything else because that's just who I am.
Midwest goodbyes... We'll uuhhh keep in touch. You tell your mom we said hello. Hope she's doing okay. Hey, did she ever do that thing..... (and on and on)
I think there is so much to it that you can talk for days about it. Wich IMO you guys just put a realy great podcast .. especialy if it is not directed and scripted . I think about one thing with this topic . First of all I am with this hobby for 8 years but on and off wich makes it trully maybe a 6 months worth of time put into painting.. anyway.. I think a lot of people start to take it as art. I think orginaly it was just craft-thing ;) Paint your army, play and dont worry to much about it. Just paint basecoat/wash/drybrush and you are good to go. Now it grows into painting amazing stuff adding new depths to it and turning it into art form so for a lot of people it become not just paint and play but paint and express yourself or try to .. probobly with help of good painters from tube etc :)
I'm new to this hobby. I painted my first thing 10 months ago. I like painting to the best of my ability. I like trying new things. I guess I'm serious about it, but I like it. Then I show my non-painting friends and they are blown away; eventhough I'm not a great painter...remember to regular people what we do is like magic.
Painting with your kids is all good - but you have to commit to something first - that your kids paint their own and only they can finish their own models. I did something I regret and I’ve brought a curse upon myself: I am “helping” my kids with their models - and now I’m struggling to finish their armies rather than my own. In the meantime they’ve since given up on painting and are on to other things. So I’ve failed in that aspect. DONT paint your kids’ stuff. You might help them with maybe one or two for reference - but keep it all theirs. Don’t be Homer Simpson giving Marge a bowling ball. It’s THEIR army - LET them own it!
I am doing my best to not stress over how you "should" paint minis and just paint them how I want. Its hard because a friend of mine is way way way into doing competition level work and is constantly asking why I don't do this or that technique or whatever. I know he means well but its kinda stressful.
the rise of people and companies doing professional hobbying is a sign that the war gaming friends group audience is healthy and growing, i think this results in a pretty mutually beneficial relationship
It's more serious because it's more complex. Jon nails it at 51:30 - the current iteration of anything has built on the versions that have come before. Effectively it's n+1, where n is just the previous version of something.
I am not an adult despite the fact that I'll be turning 48 on Aug 20th. I live my life with childlike wonder and amusement, despite having a mortgage. This is my life. ;) PS, serious is NOT the right word you are looking for. I believe the word is pressure. We start to place more pressure on ourselves to do better. It's just human nature once you start to become more and more embedded into anything in life, especially with the amount of our time we place into things.
Death Wish was a series of movies from the 70s/80s starring Charles Bronson. Eli Roth did a remake back in like 2016 starring Bruce Willis. It was alright, if you're into that sort of stuff.
I think a big reason that you didnt mention is shame. By making miniature painting "so serious", people find a way to paint toy soldiers without saying they paint toy soliders. This is compounded by price. It's much easier to say to someone "Im a painter" or "im an artist" or "I play tabletop games with my friends" rather than "I paint plastic elves". "The response comes "oh is it for something?" and you reply "no, I just like it" and they get even more confused. But making it "art" relives that awkwardness
I actually think it’ll look really cool idea! To have a model painted for a competition that was purposely painted in a gradient, from the original gray plastic to a base coat and then blended into a completely amazing painted design!! So it shows the beginning, middle & end stages all in one model! The colours could melt from amazing details to basic gray plastic 🤘🏻 Can some one make that happen plz? 🎆
Great episode guys 😎 I've noticed things getting more serious in the last 15 months especially. Maybe it's a perception change because everyone has been locked at home, with social media being one of the few outlets we had/have.
I feel like folks have been working hard because they may not have much else to do, and at the end of a long paint session, someone may post their mini, and be proud... until they see a professional paint the same thing and think of themselves as lesser.
I’ve only been in the hobby of tabletop gaming/ painting for a few years, so perhaps I have not seen this happen. What I have seen, there definitely is a level of pressure put on people that are in this hobby to make sure their army is painted before playing with it. Now I don’t play or paint competitively, so I think that lowers the pressure for me personally, but for others, I could see that being a problem. Sometimes you are just happy to get your models, putting them together and getting to play a game with them.
About 8 years ago as I was painting a lot and working on deliberately improving my technique and starting to take a lot of time to paint individual models - that is getting "serious". Then I realised that I would rather paint more models at a lower standard than work on painting to a high standard. So things like my FB page for my hobby is more about separating my hobby from the rest of my life and really is about increasing the "fun" rather than for promotion and monetisation - in fact monetisation is something I'm afraid of because of the pressure that will bring with it.
If it makes you feel better, when I saw "Miniacs Con" in the links (prior to your discussion on the topic) I figured you were starting your own convention...
Dont worry Jon, deathwish is only slightly stronger than regular coffee because it has more robusta coffee beans in its mix than normal. I think the instructions call for like twice the measurement of grounds than normal to make a brutally potent coffee. Brew it with a normal measurement an you shouldnt be at a much higher risk of heart attacks or caffiene fueled combustion than normal.
To be fair, the 80s were plain amazing. I was there maan! Great music, great parties. Great shorts. (When he stands up on livestreams they aren't particularly short, at least not by European standards)
It's the hobbyist choice how simple or how complex their hobby will be. Live with what you can live with. I think you can look at it like learning to drive , at first you have all this idea and worries but after 5yrs down the line driving its all auto pilot. What we think is complex now in mini painting, just as long as you do it over and over, will be a fun memory in the future. Youll say, heck this use to be a 3hr job now its only a 10 to 15min activity.
I've been playing for 20+ years and I feel like the tone of miniatures and tabletop has changed. Much of the artwork and painted models are more "serious" looking. It's not just GW is most games have a more serious tone. The access to information and ability to see others output also had a huge effect to push is to do what we consider is better.
I think that this hobby became "serious" just because I wanted to become better, hence why I started an IG account to show my work and to learn, got more the "right" tools to work better. However, ever since I started this hobby, I have felt that I have always wanted to do this since I was a kid (I have been in the hobby for 2 years now) and even if I get overwhelmed with the seriousness of the hobby, I always have the childhood feeling when I hobby.
When I start the miniaturehobby arround 18 years ago (damn I'm getting old 18 years ago a lot of the goodie peopies out there were just born :D) there was nothing big like facebook or instagram. There was a few hobby forums and boards in the internet but at this time there was nearly nobody who earn serious money with the hobby. With the beginning of the blogs the first full time painters began to share their stuff and since then the full time job hobbiests grew and grew. In my opinion we always compare with other people and THIS is the problem. Painting is a muscle like any other sport or doing too. You paint more you get better is a simple rule. I would say the most guys who show the absolutely stunning miniatures or boxarts are doing this as their MAIN JOB so they have the time a normal employee can't invest to paint. So we SHOULDN'T compare or measure us with this guys instead we should use this just as a inspiration or motivation. And to the parent and children topic, I can't wait for the day when I maybe paint or play together with my kids tabletop games. As Jon said its completely different compare to your daily hobby buddies but at the end you do your hobby AND share time TOGETHER with your kids! Wish you all a good start into the week :D
We drink Deathwish coffee daily. For being strong, it is also really smooth. A 12 oz cup of Deathwish has about 720mg of caffeine whereas a 12 oz can of redbull has 111mg
I want to say it can be serious if you let it be. For instance I started to get more into painting and started to create videos last year when I was laid off. However, that could lead to being serious at filming or getting better. A quick look at Instagram can show how you 'measure up'. Or just keeping up with filming or editing. Then again, I called myself mediocre for a reason as it is ok to be ok as long as you are happy and having fun. So it can get serious or stressful if you let it or want it to. But then again, you could train yourself to let it go and just let the paint flow. For me, its mental for often than not.
"Where do I give my piss?" Well Jon, in the last "Paint Bravely" Brent talked about bringing his "wee" to a store, but maybe this means something different in the US?
Great comparison to video games. The competitive nature of online games has made it so you are either a winner or a loser at your hobby. ELO becomes an obsession. Instagram lets us do that with painting… it gets pretty serious. Serious maybe isn’t the opposite of fun but it certainly can be a barrier to fun.
Serious... its a hobby. control how serious your hobby is. I enjoy working out, but I don't plan on competing in an ironman, or a cross fit challenge. Which means I work out in way that meets my goals and makes me happy. I do the same thing with painting minis and models. Most of the time, I am not serious at all, not competitive with my painting. That is very satisfying and keeps me interested in the hobby. When I have a subject that I want to put more time and effort into, and that I might want to enter in a competition. Then I put in the extra work. The seriousness is always measured against my own goals.
My biggest issue is feeling like I’m lazy because I paint faster than my friends. I put real effort in but I never feel like it’s enough because they go so hard on every model in a unit.
100% There are some days where I look at a mini or unit I want to paint and I literally tell myself: "Stop being a bitch and paint the thing!" Building yourself up matters. I want to pop off so I have to convince myself to do so. No cap.
I am curious if monetizing a hobby makes it overall more or less enjoyable. I myself find commissions less enjoyable than something I am inspired to complete for a board game, Dnd or a skirmish game.
'Greatest podcast on earth!!' dudes seriously I get so hyped to hobby and listen when ever an episode comes out. It is the greatest podcast in my chicken tendy-shaped heart.
This was an especially epic episode if you love Jon's crazy analogies. Amber, can we get b-roll style video of all of Jon's off the wall analogies? It couldn't become a fan favorite for sure. Lol Love you guys!
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At 45:45 this hit me differently today. Thanks for sharing that Scott... Definitely teared up a little.
I just left my secure and stable day job due to horrible treatment from the management for many years. I have no plan. I have a couple of threads to pursue, but I also have 4 mouths to feed depending on me.
It is hard to be kind to myself.
But this has been a wild couple of years so I guess it's getting to the point I need to.
in my experience, the hobby is only as serious as you make it. its great to take it serious, push yourself to improve, or really show what youve mastered. but its also important to have fun. i love to paint a model seriously, but i also make sure the next model i paint after a serious project is a "for fun" project. for example, a while back, i painted a "chaos space marine warp talon" in the color scheme of the original Wolverine outfit. i still look at that model months later with a feeling of true joy. its not my best painted mini, but its one of my favorites. i enjoyed it so much that im planning a "chaos space marine raptor" in the classic Batman scheme in the near future. theyre hilariously goofy concepts, evil space knights painted to resemble superheroes, but thats the point. have fun. dont limit yourself. experiment. purposefully paint something in a way that makes you laugh at it. my current "for fun" project is a pink death knight because thats hilarious. do it for the laughs every now and then. youll enjoy it.
Social Media has a huge impact. When someone looks at their feeds every day and sees 5-20 minis that look way better than their own paint jobs, it can mess with their heads in thinking they need to get way better.
I actively avoid mini painting social media accounts for this reason lol. I don't wanna see 20 other Space Marines with basecoats better than my entire finished product lol
When I get better I'll seek some out for inspiration and challenge, but right now I'm content
That boxes thing is Fact!
My daughter and I painted the other day, I was slowing painting buttons on some DKOK grenadiers while she was carelessly slapping colors on an owlbear. Some brown, pink, blue, all wet blended. some red on the paws because he's "fierce". She even got some metallic gold for a stripe down his back. In the end I'm pretty sure she's more proud of her 5 minute paint job than I am of the hours spent on the squad of Krieg.
Wow guys, you rocked that podcast! Freekin amazing. I started painting minis in the 80s with Tester paints and a nylon brush, it is so crazy how things have changed. Great job on the topic, this grumpy old man approves! 😅
My partner yesterday asked me if I was having "fun" while I was painting. And the answer was "idk if it's fun, but its satisfying." I think that there is a different kind of joy in putting the work into something.
Scott, Miniacs is called this way for the same reason it is in English (Miniac+miniature aka Maniaci + Miniatura/e in Italian) so its pretty similar, i'm part of the Aos community up here in Milan and big fan, just a '' coincidence'' for the two languages overlapping on these terms :)
this episode was freaking excellent! love you guys
There's so many reasons mini painting is sooo serious these days, but in one- it's technology. We can watch tutorials and see each other's work. We can kickstart stuff we like. We have equal access to materials and minis like never before. Ok, I'm old. like seriously old. I started painting minis when I bought fricking Hero Quest in 1991. The only paints I could readily find were Testors. Not even acrylic testors, but the enamels. So, yes, kids, I had to walk to school uphill in a foot of snow both ways. A couple years later, I found a store that sold Citadel stuff and it was like a miracle happened. I'm amazed at the development of paint in that time. The grind, the saturation, the variety, and the relatively low price point is awe inspiring and easy to get.
"Deathwish" was a series of Charles Bronson movies. "Deathproof" was the Tarantino movie with Kurt Russel and the car.
There was also a reboot/remake of "Deathwish" starring Bruce Willis.
Planet terror was the double feature with the chick and the machine gun leg lolz 😂
and never was there any clearer proof that Tarantino has been riding on Rodriguez's coat-tails his whole career...
Hey goodie peepees, I’m the father is the son who did the outro for the multi basing episode on Miniacs’ channel. Bjorn has been painting minis since he could hold a brush just about and now he’s at the point where we can play games like Deadzone and cursed city together. Anytime I feel a little burnt out or that I’m taking things too seriously; I think about how every time I ask Bjorn what he’s thinking about, he replies “Minatures”. He’s so excited and he always talks about what kind of cool minis he wants to get. I could talk for a long time about how much I enjoy sharing the hobby with him but perhaps sharing it with your kids is a topic on its own?
That was so wholesome, love sharing the hobby with the next generation.
This topic really hit home for me. I started terrain building and painting only about 3 years ago in my early 40s to do something with my oldest son. He quit quickly and I was hooked. But have felt building pressure and insecurities of my painting abilities, mostly I think because I over the course have watched a ton of youtube painting and crafting videos. I think for sure as adults we worry too much what others will think in this day and age. My husband doesnt paint but he used to give me and my son "advice" on each item we were painting/creating and I think this is the main reason my son quit, he didn't feel he was doing a good enough job. Since then I have stopped asking my husband what he thinks. When I first started I was much more carefree and I think that was due to not watching alot of videos prior to making/painting something. I started with terrain videos and to me there are alot of videos that I wouldnt say are sub par but their content and the way they craft stuff is definately doable for a newbie. Painting I have yet to see many vidoes where I am like ya I can totally do that or do that even better.
Ill be honest, going into this podcast, I had low expectations. In the world of podcasts where there's everything from Neuroscientists to Navy SEALs, I wasn't sure what this conversation would offer much. I couldnt have been more wrong. I was listening on Spotify and came here just to say how awesome this podcast was and I will be an ongoing listener! Thanks for doing what you guys do.
This is one of my favorite podcasts, period. Love this stuff guys!
In a culture dripping in irony, the escape is to take things like mini painting seriously.
I love the topic. There is a crazy stress I see on people relating to painting minis. People just seem to worry about being perfect instead of just having fun with the hobby.
Serious: speaks to your video's that are 2hr plan out for the week painting an army, hacks/ short cuts, and guides/tools. It also is serious on "table top ready" and the want that impress others on your skills. I love the enthusiast that wants to teach others and find enjoyment in that process, you bust out the crayons and color inside the lines for hours. Please hang on the frig it seriously good. Great talk.
"Why is Mini Painting so SERIOUS?"
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I had this awesome idea when 40k 8th ed came out and Rough Riders where in the Index, I wanted to do Preatorians on penny farthings.
@@Mikey__R haha, that would be great. I love peoples proxy ideas. Man I miss all the oop guard regiments
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I’m 45, I started into Warhammer about 4 years ago and took 2 years away during Covid. I ended up watching Uncle Atom, Sam Lens, Lyla Mev, Dana Howl, and Scott & John. All these guides and videos and seeing people’s minis on Instagram exposes you to the highest standard of mini painting, and sets the bar really high. Coupled with the artwork on the box art for most Games Workshop minis looks decades in advance of what I’m capable of. I’ve had to set my mind to not looking too hard at the work of others, and to only compare my current painting ability to what I was capable of a year ago, otherwise I will always feel I’m “not good enough”.
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Ive been listening back to so many hours of podcast that it feels like we're family now!
Hot damn guys. This was easily my favourite episode so far. Great talk, great insights, and plenty nonsensical rambling in between
Your Preamble Ramble is the best part of the show!
Another analogy just for Jon. WIth the gym, there are people who just mess around and aren't "serious." Their results are diminished, and probably enjoyment as well. I chart my nutrition, follow strict programming, pay for coaching, video my lifts for review, etc. My results and my NET enjoyment of the overall satisfaction and experience are far greater because of greater investment and dedication.
For my mini painting, I've recently learned different techniques (wet blending), new tools (airbrush), new mediums (oils), and minis outside GW grey. The time spent learning and "seriousness" have resulted in me enjoying the painting part of the hobby a heck of a lot more than I maybe did a decade ago.
Technology and access to learning through YT, for example, have helped in a net positive way for me, which 20 years ago we didn't have access to. Even you two jokers.
I imagine a lot of your audience is also capitalizing on the hobby too. I'm a full-time painter and sculptor, so it stands to reason that I take it much more seriously that many hobbyists. So +1 to that point.
There's also the point that when you start out, there's so much growth so quickly that even without taking it seriously, you'll get better and better results with each model; but as you reach those plateaus, it gets harder to improve, and you end up "over thinking" everything from color selection, to ambient occlusions, etc, just to get that same high of producing a better miniature.
Deathwish coffee was founded at a small coffee shop in the town I live in. (Saratoga ny)
Every store around here is flooded with the stuff now.
I did have a nice internal chuckle when jon said he started on that last episode.
Perhaps a helpful term to consider in light of "seriousness" of a hobby would be "professionalization," which probably has more to do with the making money, optimization reaction to the hobby, more than just a casual enjoyment activity/past-time, which could get more "serious" while still being ultimately a casual pasttime.
PLEASE send me the link for the space marine fully painted on the sprue
I really want to see that
this podcast always brightens up my day i love you guys
As a 13 year old, I painted lizardmen almost every evening. As far as I remember, I did care about the result a lot. After the whole year I did finish like 20 skinks and some saurus with clubs n shield - which was absolutely fine for me. Time was a seemingly infinite commodity back then.
Does anyone have a link to the space marine on sprue? Google isn't pulling any results for it.
lol dudes i love this pod cast. like its super helpful, and you guys reference some of the same stuff. then you guys give us gifts like the condom safety video. legit watched it 20 times since monday.
Hey! sorry about the channel name Scott :) but 100% when I paint with my kids they are so happy with what they produce in almost any form that its infectious, reminds you to take some joy in process. keep up the great work.
It's only as serious as the company you keep, just like anything else.
I don't care to mix business with pleasure. But, I still give effort when I paint or do anything else because that's just who I am.
Midwest goodbyes... We'll uuhhh keep in touch. You tell your mom we said hello. Hope she's doing okay. Hey, did she ever do that thing..... (and on and on)
when you type miniac into google the entire first page is your website/channel so how does someone not google a the name before using it?
I think there is so much to it that you can talk for days about it. Wich IMO you guys just put a realy great podcast .. especialy if it is not directed and scripted .
I think about one thing with this topic . First of all I am with this hobby for 8 years but on and off wich makes it trully maybe a 6 months worth of time put into painting.. anyway.. I think a lot of people start to take it as art. I think orginaly it was just craft-thing ;) Paint your army, play and dont worry to much about it. Just paint basecoat/wash/drybrush and you are good to go. Now it grows into painting amazing stuff adding new depths to it and turning it into art form so for a lot of people it become not just paint and play but paint and express yourself or try to .. probobly with help of good painters from tube etc :)
I'm new to this hobby. I painted my first thing 10 months ago. I like painting to the best of my ability. I like trying new things. I guess I'm serious about it, but I like it.
Then I show my non-painting friends and they are blown away; eventhough I'm not a great painter...remember to regular people what we do is like magic.
Painting with your kids is all good - but you have to commit to something first - that your kids paint their own and only they can finish their own models. I did something I regret and I’ve brought a curse upon myself: I am “helping” my kids with their models - and now I’m struggling to finish their armies rather than my own. In the meantime they’ve since given up on painting and are on to other things. So I’ve failed in that aspect. DONT paint your kids’ stuff. You might help them with maybe one or two for reference - but keep it all theirs. Don’t be Homer Simpson giving Marge a bowling ball. It’s THEIR army - LET them own it!
The MINIS are so much higher quality and more dynamic with fancier bases so it makes painting more intimidating
I am doing my best to not stress over how you "should" paint minis and just paint them how I want. Its hard because a friend of mine is way way way into doing competition level work and is constantly asking why I don't do this or that technique or whatever. I know he means well but its kinda stressful.
“Sometimes you don’t realize you’re in a Jon Nina’s analogy, until it’s too late” 🤣
the rise of people and companies doing professional hobbying is a sign that the war gaming friends group audience is healthy and growing, i think this results in a pretty mutually beneficial relationship
It's more serious because it's more complex.
Jon nails it at 51:30 - the current iteration of anything has built on the versions that have come before. Effectively it's n+1, where n is just the previous version of something.
Hey guys. Thanks for the shoutout.
Podcast day! Makes my job less tedious
I am not an adult despite the fact that I'll be turning 48 on Aug 20th. I live my life with childlike wonder and amusement, despite having a mortgage. This is my life. ;) PS, serious is NOT the right word you are looking for. I believe the word is pressure. We start to place more pressure on ourselves to do better. It's just human nature once you start to become more and more embedded into anything in life, especially with the amount of our time we place into things.
I feel John.. i cant do anything half assed. Always gotta give it at least 110% and be SERIOUS about it :D
Trapped Under Fingernails! Had to rewind that moment - laughed harder! You guys are great 👍🏻
Death Wish was a series of movies from the 70s/80s starring Charles Bronson. Eli Roth did a remake back in like 2016 starring Bruce Willis. It was alright, if you're into that sort of stuff.
Wasn’t there sort of famously a crystal brush piece that placed quite high and wasn’t painted on the back?
I've never heard of it!
Oh, I went there when they said "talk about the Packers".... so glad they went there too!
I think a big reason that you didnt mention is shame. By making miniature painting "so serious", people find a way to paint toy soldiers without saying they paint toy soliders. This is compounded by price. It's much easier to say to someone "Im a painter" or "im an artist" or "I play tabletop games with my friends" rather than "I paint plastic elves". "The response comes "oh is it for something?" and you reply "no, I just like it" and they get even more confused. But making it "art" relives that awkwardness
I actually think it’ll look really cool idea!
To have a model painted for a competition that was purposely painted in a gradient, from the original gray plastic to a base coat and then blended into a completely amazing painted design!! So it shows the beginning, middle & end stages all in one model! The colours could melt from amazing details to basic gray plastic 🤘🏻
Can some one make that happen plz? 🎆
Great episode guys 😎
I've noticed things getting more serious in the last 15 months especially. Maybe it's a perception change because everyone has been locked at home, with social media being one of the few outlets we had/have.
I feel like folks have been working hard because they may not have much else to do, and at the end of a long paint session, someone may post their mini, and be proud... until they see a professional paint the same thing and think of themselves as lesser.
I’ve only been in the hobby of tabletop gaming/ painting for a few years, so perhaps I have not seen this happen. What I have seen, there definitely is a level of pressure put on people that are in this hobby to make sure their army is painted before playing with it. Now I don’t play or paint competitively, so I think that lowers the pressure for me personally, but for others, I could see that being a problem. Sometimes you are just happy to get your models, putting them together and getting to play a game with them.
Thanks for dedicating the preamble to me
I'd be more concerned about the sugar in 5 mt dews than the amount of caffeine.
His poor kidneys…
And the other chemicals, mtn dew was/is banned here
Congrats Jon!
About 8 years ago as I was painting a lot and working on deliberately improving my technique and starting to take a lot of time to paint individual models - that is getting "serious". Then I realised that I would rather paint more models at a lower standard than work on painting to a high standard. So things like my FB page for my hobby is more about separating my hobby from the rest of my life and really is about increasing the "fun" rather than for promotion and monetisation - in fact monetisation is something I'm afraid of because of the pressure that will bring with it.
How much caffeine is in that coffee? I sometimes consume 600 to 900 mg per day, but usually only 400ish.
If it makes you feel better, when I saw "Miniacs Con" in the links (prior to your discussion on the topic) I figured you were starting your own convention...
Dont worry Jon, deathwish is only slightly stronger than regular coffee because it has more robusta coffee beans in its mix than normal. I think the instructions call for like twice the measurement of grounds than normal to make a brutally potent coffee. Brew it with a normal measurement an you shouldnt be at a much higher risk of heart attacks or caffiene fueled combustion than normal.
The only thing I'm taking seriously is why Scott is rocking a full on 80's outfit, including the short shorts.
Bro, the teeny tiny blue shorts? All he needs are a lollipop and some roller skates and we’ve got a Miniac OnlyFans.
To be fair, the 80s were plain amazing. I was there maan! Great music, great parties. Great shorts.
(When he stands up on livestreams they aren't particularly short, at least not by European standards)
Next painting competition im gonna paint precisely the half of the model. and call it half done :D
It's the hobbyist choice how simple or how complex their hobby will be. Live with what you can live with. I think you can look at it like learning to drive , at first you have all this idea and worries but after 5yrs down the line driving its all auto pilot. What we think is complex now in mini painting, just as long as you do it over and over, will be a fun memory in the future. Youll say, heck this use to be a 3hr job now its only a 10 to 15min activity.
Kind of upsetti sphaghetti that Scott's beard hasn't been addressed. I see you, brother. Welcome to the club (sorta).
Life is like watching a miniature painting podcast. Sometimes you just need to pause the video and take a poop.
John, have you thought of acquiring a pot Grot for you taking problem.
Also Gratz on 3rd place in the painting Competition
what did you do with the other half of the mountain dew?
I've been playing for 20+ years and I feel like the tone of miniatures and tabletop has changed. Much of the artwork and painted models are more "serious" looking. It's not just GW is most games have a more serious tone.
The access to information and ability to see others output also had a huge effect to push is to do what we consider is better.
What's pre-Amber ramble? I forgot to ask a year ago, and I've been confused ever since.
It’s preamble not pre-amber. So preamble means an introduction
@@crazygog Sir, it's called humor, maybe try looking it up?
45:56 real wisdom from TUP
I think that this hobby became "serious" just because I wanted to become better, hence why I started an IG account to show my work and to learn, got more the "right" tools to work better. However, ever since I started this hobby, I have felt that I have always wanted to do this since I was a kid (I have been in the hobby for 2 years now) and even if I get overwhelmed with the seriousness of the hobby, I always have the childhood feeling when I hobby.
When I start the miniaturehobby arround 18 years ago (damn I'm getting old 18 years ago a lot of the goodie peopies out there were just born :D) there was nothing big like facebook or instagram. There was a few hobby forums and boards in the internet but at this time there was nearly nobody who earn serious money with the hobby.
With the beginning of the blogs the first full time painters began to share their stuff and since then the full time job hobbiests grew and grew. In my opinion we always compare with other people and THIS is the problem. Painting is a muscle like any other sport or doing too. You paint more you get better is a simple rule. I would say the most guys who show the absolutely stunning miniatures or boxarts are doing this as their MAIN JOB so they have the time a normal employee can't invest to paint. So we SHOULDN'T compare or measure us with this guys instead we should use this just as a inspiration or motivation.
And to the parent and children topic, I can't wait for the day when I maybe paint or play together with my kids tabletop games. As Jon said its completely different compare to your daily hobby buddies but at the end you do your hobby AND share time TOGETHER with your kids!
Wish you all a good start into the week :D
Didn't Dru Khari host 'Whose Line Is It Anyway?'?
Liked for the thumbnail alone
We drink Deathwish coffee daily. For being strong, it is also really smooth. A 12 oz cup of Deathwish has about 720mg of caffeine whereas a 12 oz can of redbull has 111mg
great episode/podcast
I want to say it can be serious if you let it be.
For instance I started to get more into painting and started to create videos last year when I was laid off. However, that could lead to being serious at filming or getting better. A quick look at Instagram can show how you 'measure up'. Or just keeping up with filming or editing.
Then again, I called myself mediocre for a reason as it is ok to be ok as long as you are happy and having fun.
So it can get serious or stressful if you let it or want it to. But then again, you could train yourself to let it go and just let the paint flow.
For me, its mental for often than not.
Downloaded for the road.
Thanks, sprues.
I paint with my 3 year old, she loves Orks and it makes me love them more.
Oof. Scott’s little blue shorts. 🔥🔥🔥
I wondered if anyone was going to mention the thigh flash 😆
"Where do I give my piss?" Well Jon, in the last "Paint Bravely" Brent talked about bringing his "wee" to a store, but maybe this means something different in the US?
Great comparison to video games. The competitive nature of online games has made it so you are either a winner or a loser at your hobby. ELO becomes an obsession.
Instagram lets us do that with painting… it gets pretty serious. Serious maybe isn’t the opposite of fun but it certainly can be a barrier to fun.
Miniatures Dan knows who Miniac is. He painted the Dutches on his twitch stream and talked about your channel. 🤪
I had to listen to Look at My Horse because I completely forgot it existed
Congrats on the Creature Caster award Jon!
All these blasts from the pasts. Weebl AND Krispy Kreme in 5 min? cant.....handle...
Love the ending
Serious... its a hobby.
control how serious your hobby is. I enjoy working out, but I don't plan on competing in an ironman, or a cross fit challenge. Which means I work out in way that meets my goals and makes me happy. I do the same thing with painting minis and models. Most of the time, I am not serious at all, not competitive with my painting. That is very satisfying and keeps me interested in the hobby. When I have a subject that I want to put more time and effort into, and that I might want to enter in a competition. Then I put in the extra work. The seriousness is always measured against my own goals.
"I'm surrounded by old people and they are just like ... killer at taking care of lawns"
You never expect the one-two punch of Look at my horse and Krispy Kreme first thing in the morning.
WHY JAMES CRYIN'
@@trappedunderplastic CUZ HE JUST GOT DUNKED ON
My biggest issue is feeling like I’m lazy because I paint faster than my friends. I put real effort in but I never feel like it’s enough because they go so hard on every model in a unit.
100% There are some days where I look at a mini or unit I want to paint and I literally tell myself: "Stop being a bitch and paint the thing!"
Building yourself up matters. I want to pop off so I have to convince myself to do so. No cap.
I am curious if monetizing a hobby makes it overall more or less enjoyable. I myself find commissions less enjoyable than something I am inspired to complete for a board game, Dnd or a skirmish game.
9:05 uhhh well this awkward XD