Sorry guys but I'm not watching this team anymore. I'm going to go watch the Phoneix Suns. At least the suns have a player who has more pride for Detroit than the pistons do!
The whole razing of the palace was mind boggling too. They didn’t build LCA for basketball. Seems like they don’t belong there. I’m all for putting them in the city but it was too quick of a decision. It adversely effected the culture.
I get the impatience, because it sucks looking this awful. But let’s take into account that some of this core can’t even order a drink at the bar yet. Cade has some things to improve, but has shown can be excellent. Ausar is a capital B, ball player, you have it all wrong. Duren has shown can dominate at just 19 years old. Your prime starts around 25, 26. Let these guys develop before we trip
The problem starts and stays at the top. IMO Ownership is scared of the Old Pistons image. Why are there no Bad Boy Pistons still in the organization. This owner ran away Joe Dumars!!! We have drafted soft for years!! Its evident Gores wants a certain image that will never fit this city or this team. We are not thugs we are BAAAAD BOOOOYZ!!! BE PROUD OF OUR CHAMPIONSHIP ROOTS!!
Small-Mid market teams have to overpay for top end free agents. Like Houston did with Brooks and Vanvleet. Last offseason was not the right time for the Pistons to make those types of moves. Cam Thomas poison pill would have held us hostage until the Nets matched. What we are seeing this year is an audition for players we will probably trade at the deadline. Hayes, Burks, Livers,Bagley (or Wiseman) and then you have players who are sitting out to avoid extra mileage and wear and tear (Bojan, Morris, Harris). It’s possible that at least three of these assets get traded at the deadline to help with draft capital. My guess is that heading into this offseason Pistons will have far more draft capital to play with, a ton of cap space for a solid Free Agent class (Siakam). They will know who their core players are moving forward and hopefully those core players will know what their role is on the team. In the meantime they should be talking with the Bulls about Derozan, and Drummond because we need a competent backup center, and a veteran Forward/guard who can help Cade in the short term and maybe they could even sign him to a 3-4 year contract and have Derozen as an asset going into next years trade deadline if we stink again. Lastly, why do screwed over and over again in the draft lottery 😂 Man this would be so different with Wemby, Cade, Duran, Ivy, and Bojan.
Those "assets" are not assets lol. Livers, Bagley, Wiseman? Who wants these bums? Wiseman can't even play on this team! What kind of draft capital do we get? Is there a 3rd round of the NBA draft??😂😂😂
@@jasonzula8400 hahahaha maybe Bagley could probably net a 2nd from a contender dealing with injuries or depth issues. Point taken on Wisman, but maybe he gets packaged with Killian Hayes or Bojan in a deal where we need to match salaries. You’re right though, these guys aren’t netting 1st round picks with the exception of possibly Bojan and maybe Killian if he keeps playing at or above where he’s at now. It’s not a great place to be though… rooting for contenders to have injuries so we can try to flip our guys.
@@RedBarronArcade my guy I appreciate someone trying to be optimistic but if we're being honest this team is doomed for the near and far future - I'll check back in 2 years maybe we'll win 35 games by then
@@jasonzula8400 I hear ya brother. I’m not holding my breath either. I’m just trying to find reasons to stay optimistic even though I’m just as pissed off as any Pistons fan.
Too bad all the celebs who took limos to The Palace can't rally together and buy the team from Gores. Get a group of: Eminem; Bob Seger; Tommy Hearns; and Kid Rock. Tim Allen? Jeff Daniels? Who else?
Monty is the problem. He ain’t buy Pistons are paying him more money then coach in NBA history. Troy Weaver didn’t pick Casey or Monty. This team has some flaws but if Monty were a better coach they’d atleast have a few more wins 2-3 imo. The bs with the Pistons this season starts with Gores 25%, Troy 25%, Monty 25% and Injuries 25%!
What do you mean where do the Pistons go from here? Seriously? They stink. Gores needs to stop surrounding himself with zero's like Arn Tellem and Ed Stefanski. Stop running the franchise from Beverly Hills. Nuke that stooge Troy Weaver, Hire a good basketball GM like Jack McCloskey. Hire a real basketball coach like Chuck Daly or Larry Brown and quit selling crummy basketball to the people of Detroit. You run the operation like Martha Ford or Chris Ilitch....more concerned about the bottom line than winning then maybe Gores needs to sell to a more focused owner.
I don’t think this is all Tom Gores fault. I think Players got to play and in terms of Roster construction Troy does a good job drafting but is mediocre to put it politely at Drafting and On Free Agency. As for Monte let’s give him more time he’s coaching a team that has an average age of like 25
Should’ve; kept Grant, drafted Duren at 5, traded Olynk for Bojan, kept Bey, never signed Bagley. Startes; Cade, Bojan, Grant, Stew, Duren. Bench; Bey, Livers, Hayes. NY would’ve released Burks for a easy pick up. Oubre, Schroeder could’ve been easy pickups this offseason as well or a player like Rui Hachimura. I’d be on the phone trying to trade Bagley for Dorain Finny-Smith right now that’s the best you’ll get for him.
Yeah RB I have to agree man but Duren was never goin 5 talk is just talk when Weaver says that I don’t believe he would have really done that. Nothing this organization has released or said is 100% accurate and often exaggerated when it comes to the players specifically. Ivey was thought to be taken at 4 by the vast majority of analysts
@@pepegajones6541 I know just my opinion he should’ve taken him 5. These so called professionals have no clue what they’re doing. It’s not brain science the average person that loves and evaluates the game can see incoming talent and understand how pieces fit together. I hate when some of the Pistons media shills try to discredit fans and our opinions because we’re not brown nosing to be close or in the organization. This organization has been trash for 15yrs and beat writers will say, “Just be patient, they’re building it the right way.” Lmfao This organization has no direction, once Cade realizes he’s had enough it’s ov. The NBA will never give Detroit a #1 pick again. Gores needs to sell the incompetence starts with him. He’s made his money back just leave!!!
@@Loganbub His experience in actually building championship teams with The Shock. When Bill was a broadcaster with George Blaha, he was very detailed on how to build a championship team as a GM. He could do the same thing in the NBA if Gores gave him a chance. It wouldn't hurt to give the man a chance or put him in the front office with Weaver, but Gores should at least get a former Piston player with a front office experience perspective .
Stop blaming Gm, Coach, and role players, let’s keep it real Cade is not a superstar from what I see, a superstar player will not allow u to lose 12 straight, remember iverson , Tracy mcgrady, the could lead a team full of bums to the playoffs, that game was too close for Cade not to take over simple as that
Sorry guys but I'm not watching this team anymore. I'm going to go watch the Phoneix Suns. At least the suns have a player who has more pride for Detroit than the pistons do!
Pistons is the punching bag of the league
Troy Weaver is a scout and that is all.
🎯🎯🎯
He's running a Burger King in Southfield.
The open practice debacle told me everything I needed to know about the 2023-24 season.
The whole razing of the palace was mind boggling too. They didn’t build LCA for basketball. Seems like they don’t belong there. I’m all for putting them in the city but it was too quick of a decision. It adversely effected the culture.
Damn, we're bad boys, we're the blue collar work horse team of the league. What happen?😭😭😭
Tom Gores. That's what happened.
Not enough hustle for loose rebounds… Beef stew couldn’t finish clutch time over Braun ! No shooting consistency! Livers back hopefully he helps
I think Troy Weaver is good at drafting. But he needs an assistant GM whose good at Free Agency and Trades
how's he good at drafting. the entire team is terrible
He’s not good at drafting
A dog would’ve drafted Cade and Ivey
@@antdagawd68Duren, Ausar, Sasser nailed every pick but Hayes
@@user-sr2yr8wb4fand Stew because Desmone Bane and a few others came after Stew as well
I get the impatience, because it sucks looking this awful. But let’s take into account that some of this core can’t even order a drink at the bar yet. Cade has some things to improve, but has shown can be excellent. Ausar is a capital B, ball player, you have it all wrong. Duren has shown can dominate at just 19 years old. Your prime starts around 25, 26. Let these guys develop before we trip
this is mindset but im probably delusional i jus wish more ppl
were for the ride 😂
The problem starts and stays at the top. IMO Ownership is scared of the Old Pistons image. Why are there no Bad Boy Pistons still in the organization. This owner ran away Joe Dumars!!! We have drafted soft for years!! Its evident Gores wants a certain image that will never fit this city or this team. We are not thugs we are BAAAAD BOOOOYZ!!! BE PROUD OF OUR CHAMPIONSHIP ROOTS!!
You want a team that is truly doing the Motor City proud? Watch the Detroit Lions.
Troy Weaver blew the rebuild, when he drafted Killian Hayes instead of Tyrese Haliburton. 🤡🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬
I can smell Killian Hayes through the TV.
One game Sasser plays, Ivey doesn’t then the next they switch it up, no fluidity
Who is the slow guy on the right? um grad, or just slow?
Stewart wouldn’t start on any team in the league his hands are trash .
Troy doesn't want to admit, when he's wrong. That's why Stewart and Killian are still starting. 🤬
Small-Mid market teams have to overpay for top end free agents. Like Houston did with Brooks and Vanvleet. Last offseason was not the right time for the Pistons to make those types of moves. Cam Thomas poison pill would have held us hostage until the Nets matched. What we are seeing this year is an audition for players we will probably trade at the deadline. Hayes, Burks, Livers,Bagley (or Wiseman) and then you have players who are sitting out to avoid extra mileage and wear and tear (Bojan, Morris, Harris). It’s possible that at least three of these assets get traded at the deadline to help with draft capital. My guess is that heading into this offseason Pistons will have far more draft capital to play with, a ton of cap space for a solid Free Agent class (Siakam). They will know who their core players are moving forward and hopefully those core players will know what their role is on the team. In the meantime they should be talking with the Bulls about Derozan, and Drummond because we need a competent backup center, and a veteran Forward/guard who can help Cade in the short term and maybe they could even sign him to a 3-4 year contract and have Derozen as an asset going into next years trade deadline if we stink again. Lastly, why do screwed over and over again in the draft lottery 😂 Man this would be so different with Wemby, Cade, Duran, Ivy, and Bojan.
Those "assets" are not assets lol. Livers, Bagley, Wiseman? Who wants these bums? Wiseman can't even play on this team! What kind of draft capital do we get? Is there a 3rd round of the NBA draft??😂😂😂
@@jasonzula8400 hahahaha maybe Bagley could probably net a 2nd from a contender dealing with injuries or depth issues. Point taken on Wisman, but maybe he gets packaged with Killian Hayes or Bojan in a deal where we need to match salaries. You’re right though, these guys aren’t netting 1st round picks with the exception of possibly Bojan and maybe Killian if he keeps playing at or above where he’s at now. It’s not a great place to be though… rooting for contenders to have injuries so we can try to flip our guys.
@@RedBarronArcade my guy I appreciate someone trying to be optimistic but if we're being honest this team is doomed for the near and far future - I'll check back in 2 years maybe we'll win 35 games by then
@@jasonzula8400 I hear ya brother. I’m not holding my breath either. I’m just trying to find reasons to stay optimistic even though I’m just as pissed off as any Pistons fan.
Give bob myers a blank check
Too bad all the celebs who took limos to The Palace can't rally together and buy the team from Gores. Get a group of: Eminem; Bob Seger; Tommy Hearns; and Kid Rock. Tim Allen? Jeff Daniels? Who else?
Bagley was balling
This is when the youngest team in the league, meets injuries to all the vets, meets new coach and system…meets a GM who built a ugly roster.
Gores is following the Oakland A’s owners playbook. He’s destroying the team so he can move them to Vegas.
Relocation won't reverse the downward spiral. Gores needs to sell the team, and Arn Tellem must be sacked.
We just suck pathetic, this long into the rebuild is insane
Let's bring back Stan Van Gundy. He would be an upgrade.
Could not be more wrong about Blaha
Weaver should've been fired before this season. The fact that people still defend him now is insane
Beef Stew trash part of the reason we’re so bad Weaver a terrible gm Ivey the best on the team
All the other teams rest there best players when they play the pistons and still lose lol
I'm done with the Pistons. I'm switching over to a Houston Rockets fan. Jalen Green is an All Star. 👋👋👋👋
Monty is the problem. He ain’t buy Pistons are paying him more money then coach in NBA history. Troy Weaver didn’t pick Casey or Monty. This team has some flaws but if Monty were a better coach they’d atleast have a few more wins 2-3 imo. The bs with the Pistons this season starts with Gores 25%, Troy 25%, Monty 25% and Injuries 25%!
Two Fake Georgie needs to sell the Pistons to a more competent owner. The Pistons are not only a disgrace to the NBA. They are a disgrace to Detroit.
What do you mean where do the Pistons go from here? Seriously? They stink. Gores needs to stop surrounding himself with zero's like Arn Tellem and Ed Stefanski. Stop running the franchise from Beverly Hills. Nuke that stooge Troy Weaver, Hire a good basketball GM like Jack McCloskey. Hire a real basketball coach like Chuck Daly or Larry Brown and quit selling crummy basketball to the people of Detroit. You run the operation like Martha Ford or Chris Ilitch....more concerned about the bottom line than winning then maybe Gores needs to sell to a more focused owner.
When they start playing better, don’t watch then either…
when will that be? next season?
david is absolutely useless as far as sports opinions go. I'm sure he's a nice guy though
I don’t think this is all Tom Gores fault. I think Players got to play and in terms of Roster construction Troy does a good job drafting but is mediocre to put it politely at Drafting and On Free Agency. As for Monte let’s give him more time he’s coaching a team that has an average age of like 25
Should’ve; kept Grant, drafted Duren at 5, traded Olynk for Bojan, kept Bey, never signed Bagley.
Startes; Cade, Bojan, Grant, Stew, Duren.
Bench; Bey, Livers, Hayes.
NY would’ve released Burks for a easy pick up. Oubre, Schroeder could’ve been easy pickups this offseason as well or a player like Rui Hachimura.
I’d be on the phone trying to trade Bagley for Dorain Finny-Smith right now that’s the best you’ll get for him.
Yeah RB I have to agree man but Duren was never goin 5 talk is just talk when Weaver says that I don’t believe he would have really done that. Nothing this organization has released or said is 100% accurate and often exaggerated when it comes to the players specifically. Ivey was thought to be taken at 4 by the vast majority of analysts
@@pepegajones6541 I know just my opinion he should’ve taken him 5. These so called professionals have no clue what they’re doing. It’s not brain science the average person that loves and evaluates the game can see incoming talent and understand how pieces fit together. I hate when some of the Pistons media shills try to discredit fans and our opinions because we’re not brown nosing to be close or in the organization. This organization has been trash for 15yrs and beat writers will say, “Just be patient, they’re building it the right way.” Lmfao This organization has no direction, once Cade realizes he’s had enough it’s ov. The NBA will never give Detroit a #1 pick again. Gores needs to sell the incompetence starts with him. He’s made his money back just leave!!!
@@rbtheballer I haven’t read the entire comment yet but “brain science” haha 😂
@@rbtheballer yeah we are getting close to that
If Gores really want to turn the franchise around, he needs to hire Bill Lamibeer as a GM or give him Arn Tellem job.
Wtf? What do you have to go off that Laumbeer would be a good GM? Arm Tellem needs to gtfo out of this franchise like yesterday.
@@Loganbub His experience in actually building championship teams with The Shock.
When Bill was a broadcaster with George Blaha, he was very detailed on how to build a championship team as a GM.
He could do the same thing in the NBA if Gores gave him a chance.
It wouldn't hurt to give the man a chance or put him in the front office with Weaver, but Gores should at least get a former Piston player with a front office experience perspective .
Arn collects a paycheck for doing basically nothing.
Start over get rid of them, all guards no bigs
Stop blaming Gm, Coach, and role players, let’s keep it real Cade is not a superstar from what I see, a superstar player will not allow u to lose 12 straight, remember iverson , Tracy mcgrady, the could lead a team full of bums to the playoffs, that game was too close for Cade not to take over simple as that
Tracy McGrady was literally on a team that started 1-19 after making the playoffs the year before in 03-04.