Bill Simmons’s Worst NBA Owner Pyramid | The Bill Simmons Podcast
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- The Ringer’s Bill Simmons is joined by Ryen Russillo to go over Bill’s Worst Sports Owner Pyramid of the last 30 years.
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forgotten on this list is when glen taylor asked andrew wiggins if he will try harder in order to get the max extension and he gave it to him because wiggins said i will loool
That happened 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Wiggins said ‘ my words as strong as Oak’.
Tbf he DID try harder… just for another team 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
He looked him in the eye
Maple Jordan
The worst part of Glen's tenure isn't even brought up. The fact that KG's jersey isn't retired by the Timberwolves because of Glen's pettiness is absolutely insane. KG built the Wolves & brought them to the WCF kicking & screaming. The fact that his jersey is retired by Boston but not the Wolves is infuriating to me as a Wolves fan.
I think if they had a ceremony to retire KG's jersey, KG would be no-show. Taylor doesn't want to be embarrassed by that spectacle.
I was at the Wolves v Bulls game last night. KG’s jersey still ain’t hanging in the rafters because of Glen Taylor. For SHAME!!
And we all know that is the very most important thing for the Timberwolves. There can be no higher priority than that!!!! (sarcasm). His jersey isn't their because of his petulance, not Taylor's.
@@scottgibson6022 this guy 😆 can’t say I’ve ever met a Glen Taylor shill before.
I wasn't aware Kevin Garnett every won a chip for the Timberwolves...
@@webware-yt that’s not a prerequisite to having your jersey retired. Move along, kid.
@@themagicman225 well pops maybe in your day it wasn't but I would say by 2024 it absolutely was.
This award should be called the Donald sterling memorial. Hell dude should have a statue for worst owner 🤣🤣🤣
I back this 100%😂😂
I mean he did get Norm Nixon Ron Harper Larry Brown Sam Cassell Elton Brand Chris Paul Blake Griffin....not a total train wreck
What's the statue gonna be, him watching angrily as his mistress gets railed by a black guy?
@@razkablesome big names, but doesn't mean they were great moves. Sam Cassell was passed his prime, and he gave up the 4th pick (Byron Scott) for a point guard with a drug problem that made the Lakers even better.
The Donald Sterling Bad Owner Award trophy should be an eviction notice of a disabled black grandmother dipped in gold
Maloof brothers definitely deserved to be on this list
1000%
Yeah they killed the really good early 2000s Kings
It’s Glen Taylor and no, I don’t need to watch more than 2 minutes to tell you it. I’ve lived it for 34 year’s. I got Knicks fans for friends and THEY AGREE. WOAT.
Dumb but not a pig. Proof that you don't need to be smart to be rich.
It would’ve been Dolan til like 2 years ago. He’s mostly stayed out of the way and what do ya know?! The Knicks are good now!
@@maxdubs2241 Nah Dolan didn’t hire Khan, Kurt Rambis, buy the paper that covers his team so he could control all media narratives, do the iso Joe deal, make his players eat lasagna, for the first ten years of my life it felt like a country club in there cuz nobody could afford those tickets, pissed off Kevin Garnett who openly calls him a snake, makes his max deals off “look me in the eye Andrew Wiggins, will you work harder?” It’s always been Glen. He’s the reason we’ve been consistently worse than you for 30 year’s.
Glen Taylor by a mile. Only good thing he’s done is kept us in MN
The only good thing about Glen is making it a priority to keep the Wolves in MN. That’s huge. Everything else, absolutely as bad as it gets. Just ask KG.
Chris Cohan the owner of Golden State Warriors for 20+ years and they made the playoffs 3 times.
He finally sold the team, and look at them the last 10 years.
Howard Schultz killed the Sonics. They don't exist anymore. It is impossible to be worse than that. Even Donald Sterling left the Clippers in existence.
the crook from oklahoma should take at least partial blame for that. disingenious as he was, benett never intended to keep the sonics in seattle
Not enough about Tom Gores. Honestly, should consider moving him up a tier on the pyramid
As a Pistons fan, I came here to say this
Surprisingly, Dolan has been acting so much better recently. The rangers and knicks are some of the better run teams the past couple of years.
Because he’d rather pretend he’s a member of the eagles and he finally learned to stop meddling when he doesn’t know shit about basketball and look at the garden teams now! Not only two of the best run teams but two of the more successful teams. Rangers look like a contender and the Knicks are gonna make some serious playoff noise
He's gotten smart people to run his teams and got out the way
Don't be fooled. The Knickerbockers are no closer to winning a championship than sending a human to the planet Mars.
Stepien was terrible for Cleveland. They had to create a rule named after him to stop him from pulling off bad trades destroying his team’s future
Who would you remove if you think he’s bottom ten?
He’s the GOAT. This whole thing should be named after him
I think stepien is at least top 5
@@jam199716 Stepien is the GOAT of this category. The league literally had to make new rules to stop his incompetence.
No doubt, but they're only doing the last 30 years. If it were all-time, who knows where they'd end up with all the wackos from the 60's, 70's, and 80's.
Looking back it seems like Prokhorov might have been an early sports washer
I almost shed a tear when you revealed Gores...
👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
He honestly belongs on the 2nd level but thank you Mr. Simmons!
Is he cheap?
@@fortynights1513nope, which is the sad part. He's willing to spend to make the team good, he just keeps hiring idiots/cronies and waits waaay too long to fire them. Somehow arn tellem still has a job in the front office (nobody knows what he does exactly, but he's still on the payroll) and he's gotten one son hired into the front office and another son who is a player agent has had multiple clients signed as favors/kickbacks. Oh, and the GM Troy Weaver has a son that the team hired for some reason too.
I'm pretty sure he just hires guys he thinks would make good drinking buddies and then makes the mistake of becoming friends with them so that when it's clear they should be fired, he has a hard time doing it and is more willing to listen to their excuses and rationalizations for their mistakes and give them the benefit of the doubt.
He does a lot for the community too. He just keeps blowing wads of money on front office/coaches who can't tell their ass from a hole in the ground and then let's them continue to fail past the point of them doing the equivalent of flying the franchise into the side of a mountain.
@@fortynights1513not at all he just dumb asf. Doesn’t know a thing about basketball.
@fortynights1513 Gores just doesn't care. It's just an investment for his business portfolio. We don't even have our own arena. He destroyed the palace for no reason.
@@mynameismyname.967So he’s an investor who doesn’t invest his time into his franchise? (aside from what improves ROI)
If that’s the case, then he’s the Arte Moreno of the NBA.
Bob Cat Johnson is hilarious
The Maloofs not even being mentioned is wild. They pleaded for funding from the city for a new arena, got a vote on the ballot, then came out with a Carl's Jr. commercial claiming to be billionaires. The city said eff that and voted no on the measure cuz they were crying poor about building it themselves. They tried to move the team 3 different times (Anaheim, Seattle, even Virginia Beach)! The league forced them to sell too. They always spent the least on their roster just to hoard more money from the organization for themselves. Hell, an ad covering up a former sponser fell on the court during a game even. They earned a spot in my book.
Easily could have added another few layers to the pyramid. Amazing how many awful owners, given that there are only 30 teams!
We need a book of basketball 2.0 podcast for the worst owners in all of NBA history pyramid. With deep dives into each owner and why they are terrible
Jerry reinsdorf needs to be on this list
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Bro 6 championships and D Rose knee and LeBron & Wade chose not to sign like WTF you want bro?
@@BoldWittyNameYes, the bulls had a lot of success during the MJ era, in part thanks to Kerry Krause, who the casuals blame for everything when in reality Jerry Reinsorf is the main culprit. 3:53 He is known for being by far the cheapest owner on the league. In between the MJ, and Derick Rose era's this man behind the scenes has made bad decision after bad decision and all because of his greed and cheapness. There's a reason why the Bulls play in one of the biggest markets of the league and still free agents avoid it like the plague.
Underrated: he refused to re-negotiate Pippen's absurdly low contract because "I don't do that", leading to Pippen being pissed and retaliating by not getting surgery until the season started and helped to lead to the end of the Bulls dynasty.
Being a Hornets fan born in 1986. I felt this.
Leonsis should be way higher. The zombie Bullets haven’t made the conference finals since Jimmy Carter was president.
The beal contract was insane. The ONLY no trade clause in the league
He also just tried to move them and the Caps to Northern Virginia.
I mean to be fair Abe Pollin owned the team pre 2000 and still had half the power until 2009 when he died
@@jamesh7469and then trading it for cp3 was hilarious...it's like he wanted to get fired or knew he would so he said screw it
As a hockey fan. I never paid attention to Ted Leonsis.
But his record must be horrible.
He wanted to buy the bullets first but the old owner said he had to buy the caps first.
Its amazing to listen about Sarver and toxic ownership bevause it makes me wonder why Cuban never got any grief for running the most toxic front office in league. The most hands on owner in sports claimed he was unaware what was happening in his front office and media went along. Even when Don Nelson lawsuit came up with its sexual assault accusations 1-2yrs ago, media said its not cuban's fault, he didn't know...
Sarvers politics are pretty unknown. Cuban has the “correct” political leanings.
Yeah Cuban is getting a loooooott of passes in places where he shouldn't.
Without that 2011 title, he's got a case to be on this list.
He’s known to have treated his team well though, feeding them well and other creature comforts, etc. other teams’ players would remark on it
If anybody outside of Orlando cared, the DeVos family would definitely make the list.
For literally lowballing shaq outta town, then somehow fucking up having Tracey Mcgrady and then Dwight Howard in his prime
they try to pass the Magic as a marketing scam like Amway
They’re awful
Micheal Heisley - Vancouver Grizzlies demise and relocation
How is Reinsdorf not on any of the tiers???
he's awful, but that's mostly when you look at his Bulls and Whitesox ownership all-together. He gets i little credit for hiring Jerry Krause who built that Dynasty
Jordan on multiple pyramids!
Exactly should have has HOF status,revoked
Love to see this across all sports. Got plenty of other choices in baseball and football who suck.
Not only should he be on top of the pyramid, you should name this the "James Dolan Even A Blind Squirrel Luckily Stumbles Across A Nut Once In Awhile Hall of Fame" and retire the top spot in his honor.
Thank you
I completely agree with you. No championship rings in over 50 years. Celtics and Knicks are the only two original organizations that hasn't moved or change names. This is a crying shame.
Thank you for listing Schultz!
I love that Paul “thanksdad” Gaston got a mention
Robert Sarver…all you gotta do is pull up the Phoenix fan Greta’s clip.
Bro to totally gloss over Ted Stepien is criminal, even if it was 100 years ago it should dominate this segment.
Love this. A fellow Seattlite calls Howard “Dutch” Schultz”
The Ted Stepien Memorial Award. Sterling is the LeBron to Stepien’s MJ
James Dolan being the last mention is ironically funny because he's used to coming in last
Dolan believes save the best for last.
Glenn Taylor should be competing for first place.
the Glen Taylor tear down was pretty good
They did leave out the wolves have the worst winning percentage of any team in the major 4 US sports
As a Sonics fan, Schultz has to be #2 for me, I stopped watching the NBA when the Sonics moved to OKC.
Ask any Warriors fan and we will say it was. Chris Cohen: the only good move he made was selling the team… we booed him at the All Star game in front of this child, bad hire after bad hire, making trades that you always felt made the Dubs worst. Keeping Latrell over Hardaway, not giving Popovich the keys to the team when he was a coach for the team, keeping Nelson over Webber (despite Nelson saying to keep Webber) and then firing him anyways… he was the worst owner in the History of the Bay Area and just sucked…
John Fisher/ Lou Wolff would like a word. Al Davis/Mark Davis the second go around in Oakland also have something to say.
But the Raiders won 3 titles under Al Davis, at best sometimes they would make second round…
Yeah let's not forget loosing Richmond not keeping C Webb or Vince and not drafting KG or Kobe...just an embarrassing tenure salvaged by Baron Davis
As a lifetime Charlottean, having two owners (and an honorable mention) on this list pretty much sums up why I couldn't care less about the Hornets.
Jody Allen is actually the worst currently! she just hasn't had long enough to realize her worst of all time potential. inhereting mid season (literally) Damian, CJ, S. Curry, coach Stotts, who were on the way to the west Finals, to Trading CJ Dame letting stotts go letting olshey go and now onto 1-5 lottery picks without any chance of competitiveness. Dont get me started with the Seahawks!
I don't know if Portland has the same deal that the Seahawks has with the state of Washington, but I think she is just keeping tings to sell as soon as she can.
Says a lot about Glen Taylor that the best player in Wolves' franchise history, one that showed loyalty to a fault during his time there despite you consistently giving him garbage to work with, wants nothing to do with him.
Atlanta Spirit LLC deserves a spot
I feel like you have to at least mention that the Butler fiasco was principally because Jimmy "quitter" Butler decided he didn't like what he saw a year in and decided to sabotage the team until he got traded. Maybe you can argue the wolves should have seen it coming, but in context that trade to recoup value on him was about as good as we could do--he had completely tanked his value and our leverage.
8:30
Im from Minnesota, I don't need to imagine
It’s been years since I listened to this fool and I don’t miss him 40 seconds in and I left mostly writing this
FINALLY! Ted Leonsis on a worst owners list! The Wizards are a youth hoops day camp.
Every hornets/bobcat owner ever was mentioned 🤦🏻♂️
Including honorable mentions, Charlotte is on here 3 times…
How did the Maloofs not make it at least to honorable mentions?
Jerry Reinsdorf?
I don't know how many times they did it (in my mind it went on for several years) but the Clippers used to have this "draft party" (usually a lottery draft party) event on draft night over by the Sports Arena. I went to one of them when they picked LeRon Ellis. I wanted the Clippers to be good as they were in LA but I always kind of felt sorry for anyone picked or traded to them with Stern as an owner.
Not putting Reinsdorf is wild
How is Dolan not higher!!?? 22 years of crap. Meddling. Petty ness. All you have to do is boo him and he uses facial recognition to ban you from the garden. It's unreal.
Chose Bananaspiel over the Allman Bros despite the Allman Brothers having an annual residency at the Beacon for decades. Such a POS Dolan is
From july 2000 to mid 2022 he was the worst owner
@@razkable And I still live in fear that he will just decide to get involved again one day or say something that offends a top star who wanted to come here. He is still lurking.
A historical NBA franchise. He treats it as overpriced entertainment like the Sphere in Las Vegas.
I think most of us agree Glen Taylor was at least underrated (overrated?) on this pyramid of worst owners. People think of 2009 for obvious reasons but its not just that year, its basically every year of drafting in Minnesota. They did well on KAT and Edwards but most of the time their drafts are an absolute disaster. The 2000s and early 2010s are some of the worst luck in the draft that youll ever see from ANY franchise in ANY team sport. Derrick Williams, Wesley Johnson, shipping Brandon Roy to Portland for Randy Foye all come to mind. And in the years when they did not have top picks they simply never put enough around KG to ever reasonably be considered championship contenders
If you go solely off performance and nothing else, Dolan and Taylor are up in the top tier. Especially given their talent pool.
Donald Sterling wears a TinyHat
All 3 of those owners look like bond villains
Good list of Worst NBA Owners, except for one question: How do you not put Clay Bennett on the pyramid? Yes, the Thunder have actually been winners on his watch, but the way he stole the Sonics from Seattle still burns me up. I can't forgive him for that.
Hall of Shame of professional sports worst owners should be a thing. MLB top 5 worst in the last 30 years would likely be Loria, Fischer, Schott, Selig, and the Wilpons
i cannot believe he forgot jerry reinsdorf
Feel like Dolan has to be higher than that.
David Tepper is the worst owner in the NFL and probably in all of North American sports
Mark Davis. Garbage owner, whose father was an equally horrible owner on the back 9.
Ted Stepien in Cleveland. Forgetting Howard Katz in Philadelphia who went nowhere after Dr J retired.
Shinn absolutely deserves his spot
If it's a Pyramid, wouldn't the DeVos family be at the top?
David khan made me think I could run a franchise at 9 years old I’m serious
HAVE to have Chris Cohan (former Dubs owner) Bill Simmons actually wrote an article on his tenure…
T wolves was on a mission to lose sheesh
I didnt know Red Foreman owned a team
I'd put Prokhorov higher. The man used the Nets as an investment vehicle into NYC real estate, and that Paul Pierce KG trade that was Stepien levels of bad. Now he's on the sanctions list. Kindof disgraceful the NBA allowed him in the first place.
Has there ever been a more consequential penalty for a team involving a more mediocre player than Joe Smith? That contract fiasco mortally wounded the KG era in Minnesota
I'd argue it wasn't even as impactful as not re-signing Chauncey Billups.
Pairing prime KG with an All-NBA point guard? I mean we saw what happened in 2004 and Billups was better than Sam Cassell
Plus imagine if they had been able to give Smith $86m. That would have been a bigger anchor around their necks than losing four late firsts, no?
@@michaelahurt Billups was not all-NBA when the Wolves got him. We allowed him to grow into that. And, of course, MN did pair KG with an all-NBA Level point guard who abandoned the team, Stephon Marbury. The Wolves did not move on from Billups, he moved on from them. He wanted to be 'the man'.
And that was done as a favor to Joe Smith (who WAS a very high draft pick, with a very long NBA career) kind of in an attempt to placate KG. Smith and KG were buddies. This has somehow been portrayed as something evil by Taylor, when he did it because he was about to undergo surgery that he was not sure he would survive and wanted to make Smith was taken care of. The NBA chose to make an example of the Wolves. Something they would never have done to one of their cornerstone franchises (like the Lakers or Simmons' Celtics). This was spite from the NBA more than gross malfeasance by Taylor.
@@scottgibson6022 Well obviously not when they got him. All-NBA players don't sign for $2.25m. But he was playing at an All-NBA level already the year after he left.
Though to be fair they could only offer the mid-level ($4.7) and Detroit offered more ($33 over 6) ... I was previously misinformed by r/Timberwolves.
Honestly Marbury for Brandon was an upgrade. Better defender, unselfish, better orchestrator. Unfortunately he got injured.
As a twolces fan since 95 at this point can just laugh. Knock on wood were turning this one around. 🤞
Because im a Cavs fan, i would say Dan Gilbert should be an honorable mention. The ONLY reason he had any level of success was because of Lebron and also because he, unfortunately, got sick and let his GM actually do his job. Dan Gilbert is awful. This success they have now isnt because of him. He was TERRIBLE when he was involved.
Edward Rogers III gotta be on the pyramid
I love the analogies that Bill has for uneven trades but trading Jimmy Butler for Dario Saric Robert Covington and a pack of meatballs might be the funniest thing he’s ever said
Glen Taylor kept the Wolves in MN. I wonder how a gadfly like Bill Simmons would feel if the owner(s) of his beloved Celtics moved his team.
That's why he's not number 1; nor should he be.
Schultz should be waaaaayyy higher on this list in my opinion.
Wow Glen Taylor's run is legendary for all the wrong reasons. Looking at the Jimmy Butler transactions, seeing what they traded to get him and then what they got back to move him, that is franchise killing. Brutal. The Nets have been just as bad the last 10 years starting with the Pierce/Garnett trade - look at what they have in the cupboard now.
Glen Taylor would be #1 if this was just related to basketball activities
Not even close.
Jody Allen should be on there, but I suppose she's not technically the owner of the Blazers. Just the person ruining them.
As a wolves fan, I've been feeling pretty seeing this last season... In more ways than one
1:59 “it would be like if OKC just had to leave”, uhhhh……who wants to tell him?
After thinking about it, I think you’re being too hard on Shinn. Yes he ran the team like a mom and pop business, but it was! He wasn’t as rich as many owners. He had to make money. He brought a team to Charlotte when no one else could. They were loved and led the league in attendance for years. They made the playoffs pretty much every year after the expansion years and before the move to NO. Did he cheat on his wife, it appears so. He’s a bad husband and a cheap owner, but I still think he was a better owner than bobcat Johnson and MJ.
Chris Cohan is calling upset he’s not on the list…
If this award was purely about basketball decisions, Glen Taylor is hand's down the worst. The Joe Smith deal, hiring David Khan, burning bridges with the only good player in franchise history. The dude sucks, this whole situation with a-rod and lore is the last gasp of Taylor. I cannot wait until he is gone. The only good thing he did was buying the team in 1994 to prevent it from moving.
Glenn taylor was abysmal, but i dont think if he left like a decade or so ago wed even have a team in minne
The problem with the Bobcats/Hornets is Jordan actually hired GMs who made really stupid decisions (and Larry Brown, who doesn't get enough credit for ruining franchises). There are some really bad signings, but mostly inexcusable draft picks - Adam Morrison and Felton/May to sell tickets (the later 2 picks could've been traded up for Chris Paul), MKG over Booker, wasting the Monk and Bouknight picks, not trading Bridges when they could, etc etc.
MKG over Booker is pure hindsight but the rest of it yes.
Brown got them to the playoffs..2 years later they won 7 games without him
He's the GOAT of terrible Owners
How soon they forget. No mention of Chris Cohen? He’s gotta be in there somewhere.
nobody is worse than jerry reinsdorf. he owns TWO failing professional teams and ridiculously cheap for being in the 3rd largest market behind LA and NY. lucked into Jordan and coasted ever since
My only edit would be putting Howard Shultz above Jordan.
Ted Stepian has a literal rule named after him because how bad of an owner he was
Tom Gores #1
you are not giving Glen Taylor any love. Sure the last two decades were bad, but his first 10 years? He made a risky yet hugely successful decision to draft Garnett. Then hiring McHale and Flip led to a decade of playoff seasons. Taylors 1st decade was waaaay better than Minnesota had seen before he showed up.
It's a shame Russillo cut Bill off as soon as he was about to give the Leonsis resume, but the 20 Wizards fans remaining appreciate him being included nonetheless.
Nice of them to use quality potatoes for their webcams
Wolves fan- our lowest point: draft TWO point guards in same draft ahead of Steph Curry
Artie Moreno is personally responsible for 5 of the 10 worst contracs in MLB in the past twenty years. Awful!!
I object that Dolan is at the base of the pyramid! Talk about Knicks disrespect! You really think the Bobcats, Hornets, T'Wolves and Suns have had it worse in the last 2 decades? Have any of them had security escort their retired players out of the arena? But props to Dolan for redeeming himself by not meddling the last couple of years LOL
Jerry Jones is on a planet by himself.
Frank McCourt special shout out
Sarver ruining the nash suns by cheaping out consistently isnt talked about enough