One guy on board was on his way to a meeting. After the crash, he just took a taxi back to the airport, bought a new ticket and flew to his meeting on time. That’s pretty tough.
Many commercial pilots gain their experience by flying in the military. Some European military pilots come to the USA to learn to fly with US Air Force. Stefan was one of them and was in my pilot training class. Great guy, great pilot. We are all very proud of him.
What tremendous skill the pilot had, plus a clear head and calm demeanor. These things prevented even one fatality. It's a shame he never flew commercially again.
Actually, according to Mentour Pilot, it's even worse than the pilots not having training on the thrust restoration system. In fact, the airline hadn't ordered the planes with the system, so the indicators and controls for it were never installed. The relevant pages in the operating manual from the manufacturer, were also removed for the airline's version. IIRC, a later system update activated the system in software (it didn't need any additional hardware because the autothrottle system already included the necessary actuators). So not only did they have no training, their manual had no mention of it, their checklists wouldn't have mentioned it, and they had no way to control the system and no way to even know it was armed. No wonder the captain felt so betrayed by the plane that he never flew professionally again!
i speak from personal experience - traumatic experiences and ptsd are hard to cope with. i’m getting better. it’s a shame he could never fly again. i’m working on pursuing my hobbies again (music, writing, and tech mostly) without the anxiety of everything going wrong and me failing again. it sounds so ridiculous, but it’s a beast of an affliction to overcome.
@@ExperimentIV Nothing ridiculous about anything you've said. I wish you the best. Personally, music and drawing help me calm down. Although sometimes that damn guitar is frustrating, its still keeping my mind off the worst. Peace.....
@@joebeastyg5686 im autistic so my fine motor skills betray me when i try lead guitar, but i love chord shapes and open chord tuning. e standard chord shapes are for versatility and open chord tunings are so nice when you just want to chill out and play something pretty with low effort. thanks for your compassion. hope things get nice for you too.
@@ExperimentIV A fellow guitarist, nice 🤘 I can't shred, either. But I know exactly what you're talking about when you say chord "shapes". I call it splashing around the fretboard - it's almost like painting to me. Rock on!
I feel really sorry for the captain Stefan Rasmusen. This crash left him with PTSD so bad he never flew again. Especially since he loved flying and was such a popular pilot among crews and passengers.
yeah, i replied in another thread how hard it is to cope and heal when you have PTSD. i’m trying my best to enjoy all my hobbies again and the career path i was on before i got retraumatised (i originally got ptsd from multiple (on a daily basis) high intensity severely abusive behaviours. i was retraumatised 5 years ago. im still trying to enjoy my hobbies again. i’m thinking my strategy should be pushing myself into them, but not so hard that i get overwhelmed and burnt out again.
Would it be possible to show the same model of plane in the video as you are talking about ? I find that forming a mental picture of the accident described while watching a completely different type of aircraft is rather confusing.
Honestly sometimes it’s possible but most of the time it’s not for example there’s barely any footage of the SAS plane in question and more often than not I don’t get permission to use footage as using footage without permission is illegal.
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation Good effort. You could show a picture of the plane and explain why, all that time I was wondering how ice from the wings could detach and get in the engine with the configuration shown in the video.
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation would high quality ms flight simulator video help? I "fly" combat aircraft in DCS. I have the rig for it... Idk much about commercial flight. But I do know I have the rig to make nice video. If I could help your channel out I'd be willing. Id be totally fine signing anything so you could use any video I gave you in perpetuity so long as you... Well maybe we should talk about it. But I'd consider splitting the cost of various airframes to suit your videos. Idk if that'd help. But if you were interested I'd talk. I really like your channel and you do pretty good research. You provide facts. So like I said, I'm not sure if I can help. But if I could, drop me a pm. I'm not expecting anything in return. But I would expect us to share costs equally for new aircraft. I have decent experience, especially with compressor stalls and such (lol mig) and basic computer graphics. I'd like to see a tiny bit of graphics explaining what an extended flap or how ice on the top/bottom of a wing changes flight characteristics. Your videos are fantastic, especially because I'm assuming you're at least a few years younger than me. But anyway. Let me know if anything I said sounded interesting to you and fits with what you want to do with your videos. Keep it up. You rock.
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation maybe instead of videos, you can make a slideshow of photos, or give more FAA crash report's graphs and figures. It might seem interesting. But for me, as an avgeek, it doesnt really matter what pictures do you give
I have been on about 2000 flights as I was a professional parachutist. I genuinely trusted my rig more than the aircraft and have a real fear of landings. I remeber being on a twin otter that was taking off from a grass strip, heavy (full load, light fuel though) and lots of Georgia trees. As we start getting over the trees and at about 1000ft, the right engine suddenly goes into beta and I shit my pants. Pilot managed it and everything was fine, but holy shit.
That's funny. When I first started jumping, I was terrified of leaving the aircraft. After a while, I was more terrified of the ride to altitude and I would watch my altimeter until we had at least 2,000 feet below us. After 2,000 feet, I began ro relax.
@@drnogueiras8783 I'm not Mike, but yes, they do wear parachutes. However, their first priority is to make sure that the plane does not come down in residential areas, if possible. Of the two aircraft that went down at two of the drop zones I use to frequent, the pilots did not make it out and perished upon crashing.
To me it's more remarkable that only one person was seriously injured (became paralyzed chest and down). The long stretch through the woods (the reason they let down the landing gears, as extra brakes) reduced speed significantly. It had been much worse with a touch down at full speed. Here, also they were lucky the tail hit the ground first, acting like a plowbill, the rest of the plane, the ox so to speak, pulling forward, that stopped quickly. Now that little help from the tail going down first, reduced the impact when the front belly took ground and made an immediate stop. The plane broke at two places, the first part turned a little to the right, the middle a little to the left, but the third, hind, was nearly in the same direction as the middle, almost parallel. It had moved sidewise more than forward. If the full pressure from the last third had continued forward the wreck had looked like an N, and the increased force had caused many more, and much severe injuries. (Later the common joke went "In Gottröra, they have the most expensive plowbill ever", it's easy to make fun of things when the outcome is as lucky as this was.)
captian Stefan G. Rasmussen told a danish news team that he loved flying, but he has lost all confidence in flying ,so he never flew as a captain again :(
@@maximme thanks for that info micheal,i´m glad he managed to fly again :) I got told a different story ! my danish girlfriend told me that he suffered with tinnitus after the crash ,which affected his abilities to fly, and that he lost all confidence in flying, i know he is a lecturer now in denmark but i dont know what he teaches. have a great day Micheal :)
@@jonboy1937 I think you understood Micheal wrong. He was giving a suggestion that the pilot COULD fly in the tropics, not making a statement of fact. Thank you for the update though!
If an off duty captain wants to come help operate the APU during double engine failure at takeoff I don’t think anyone in the world is going to complain.
I'm just so happy everyone lived!!! Definitely a huge teachable moment here and I'm always so glad that aviation lives by the philosophy of learning from past mistakes. 👏👏👏👏👏
The MOST important lesson was NEVER TRUST THE PRODUCER. McDonnell Douglas failed in information to SAS about that automatic system, so SAS could IMPOSSIBLY train the pilots. The plane had been in for a total maintenance, where they installed that program, and failed to inform about it. Anyway, it's not clear that the system had made the situation any better. Or what happened if that system wasn't installed. I guess the latter had given them a chance to go back to Arlanda. That had been a situation the pilots were trained for.
Many thanks for making these fantastic videos. For a plane nut like me, they are the best thing out there! I hope you continue to make more .. although I have plenty to get through yet!! Thank you!!
They only have to do that at a small airport with only one runway, and no taxiways. Most airports will have a turning pad, so they aren't turning right on the runway.
While planes are really big compared to us humans, that particular plane is quite small compared to other planes. It's pretty common for planes to turn around on the runway at small airports
@@flo7096 Really?? Even big jumbo jets like Air Canada, British Airways?? I have never seen a large plane do this..I've seen little ones turn on the runway, but when I saw this, I just thought the footage was stunning!! ✈❤
@@ForeverAlansGirl Sometimes, in airports built in islands (St Marteen/Princess Juliana is a good example) there is not space for many taxiways unless you build artificial extensions. so turning pads gets built in the middle and at the end of the runway so those planes can do a 180 degree turn, go down the runway and exit from the other taxiways. If you dont believe me, search for "KLM 747 Landing at Princess Juliana"
Very very good.. you voice cadence is much much better and you have added just the right about of "excitement" to your voice it is a nice smooth way to tell your stories.. excellent! You have come a long way on.. Well done and carry on!!!
@m.fferguson9787 Egads your right! I was just impressed at how much better his deliverance had gotten that is slipped my mind to really look at the plane.. But then I am sure you are plan enthusiast. I am just an encourager and like to see people doing there best.. Thanks for the heads up.
I always thought engines in the back of the plane mid-level with respect to the fuselage were kinda safe from point of view of foreign object damage - but ice coming off the wing seems to be a horrid exception there. Maybe the soviets were right to produce the Antonov An 72/74 with an upper wing with engine nacelles above the upper wing for the arctic and generally for STOL...
Robson Robson when I visited the Antonov base, they explained that such engines also allow the plane to operate on shit runways. They explained that Ukraine itself (-and much of East Europe) isn’t really always covered with perfect runways, and sometimes their planes operate in places where all they got is a dirt runway. So, they made a right call.
Having the engines tail mounted is actually quite dangerous. In addition to the risk of ice or slush entering the engine on rotation, rear mounted engines create a risk of a deep stall which is near impossible to recover from and rudder blanking on the ground which was the cause of the Delta plane going off the runway at La Guardia.
@@hewhohasnoidentity4377 It's not the engine placement that creates the risk, it is the placement of the elevators that creates the risk of deep stall.
Additionally rear mount engines can actually help if your elevator is stuck in a pitch up angle. On other planes there's nothing you can do and it will stall, but throttling up rear mount engines will push the nose down
It was not the Pilots fault, we the public, as far as i can remember, never blamed the Captain(although he was not celebrated, because of the two others). However the plane was not saved by or was the Captain betrayed. This is the more correct story of what happened: /watch?v=OR0WfTUDj-U. The plane was saved by two former Swedish Air force pilots who knew the Pratt & Whitney JT8D-1 from their time as Viggen pilots.
When a team of people are responsible for maintenance, it ends up nobody feels responsible. And if nobody feels responsible, then they aren't going to do a thorough job.
Stefan Rasmussen should consider himself lucky that there was not even an iota of evidence against him. If there had been a drop against him the final investigation report would have come out with the ubiquitous conclusion_ pilot error Pity that such a level headed calm brilliant pilot didn't fly commercial again
The pilots missing ATR training is an understatement. The airline bought the MD-81's new and did not get information about the ATR being ínstalled to begin with. That's more than just not educating the pilots properly...
Apparently the ATR is there to comply with take-off noise regulations over built up areas in the US. As these regulations only applied in the US, the manufacturers didn't bother to tell overseas buyers about this 'feature'...
7:02 i understand that with advances in technology and training, airliners dont really need a 3rd person manning the plane anymore. But several times ive read n watch air crash investigations where the crash was caused due to both pilots being under severe pressure. Its not everyday a plane crashes. U can practically count on both hands how many fatal crashes occur every year i think. Thats incredible considering that major airports around the world (before the pandemic of course) has a plane taking off or land every few minutes. A third neutral pair of hands and eyes is always nice to have.
Just a note to people complaining about the footage, SAS removed the last MD-81 from their fleet in 2010. Most major airlines have retired their MD-80 series. Look at the date of this accident before you complain.
Such a shame WHY Stefan Rasmussen never flew again. I remember this incident, and I remember the press afterwards. F... SAS for hinting that the pilots were to blame for the crash for 20years untill Nat Geo made a deep documentary about it. Only then did SAS formally declare that he was not to blame.
I love to watch you videos. But i got a suggestion for you. I don't know if others are thinking the same way, but i like to listen to your videos while doing something else, so it would be great to have it as a Podcast only with audio. Uses less data and I could turn off the screen of my phone. Thanks for your great informative videos!
If you get TH-cam premium it lets you switch off the screen. It also allows you to download videos while on wifi so you can watch/listen later without any data use
There's an Air Museum just off Runway 2 (19L-01R) that have pieces from the crash. Not sure if they are open now during Corona.. but they have some interesting ga planes there, and also for entusiasts there is also a Caravelle III at ESSA (Stockholm Arlanda Airport) that used to belong to the Swedish Air Force as a radio intelligence Aircraft. But is now being restored to old SAS standard A/C reg is SE-DAI
1:52 Actually the plane involved was a DC-9-80 not an MD-81. Plus the fact that everyone onboard survived is nothing short of a miracle. No wonder its known as the Miracle of Gottröra
It's the same. The techincal name used by McDonnell Douglas was DC-9-81, but McDonnell Douglas (and every airline operating them) marketed it as MD-81 to differentiate it from the older generation DC-9 aircraft. No one really call them DC-9-81 in real life.
@@andrewsebastianrothgarnant350 i always call any variant of the DC-9 with the number suffix above 79 and MD80 variant. My peronsal favourite airliner is the DC-9-15. The short and stubby fueslage and wide wingspan make it a very characterful old bird
It changes the shape of the “leading edge” of the wing, which changes how air moves above and below the wing and therefore decides if the wing creates lift or stalls. I’ve been in major icing on a Cessna 172 and not being able to really see the overhead wing edge very well nearly got us killed. Without doubt the scariest time ever in a light plane drag I was helping to pilot. Don’t fly into icing conditions even if you have an IFR rating!! You can’t fight ice with ice!!!
Investigations show that the wings flexed upon takeoff as it begins to bear the weight of the aircraft, as they should. The ice on the wings broke off and went into the engines, damaging the engines and causing engines to loose power, not enough to keep it in the air.but just enough to keep the aircraft from stalling{,as the engines are very close above and behind the wings}.
Interesting. The idea of the plane itself working against the pilot it quite scary. As a complete layman when it comes to aviation, there is something I don't understand: The pilots detected engine surge during take-off and did the correct thing: reducing power. Then an automated system came to live, forcing the power back up and thus trashing the engines. Given that reducing power is apparently the go-to response to engine surge, shouldn't the presence of said engine surge have prevented the automated thrust restoration from activating in the first place?
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation An oversight that nearly killed a lot of people. A system that takes controll away from the pilot in a critical moment, and pilots not trained to handle the system. That reminds me of Boeing's current troubles with their 737 MAX. Apparently those lessons aren't always fully learned...
This was an all engines failed glide needed from 3,200 feet agl. The Miracle on the Hudson was an all engines failed glide needed from 3,000 feet agl. Quite similar all engines out glides done by the captains. But. None of them to airports.. Lucky nobody died on both. Only the pets died on cargo compartment. The kept going away from airport when engines failed..
@@TheWPhilosopher So what? You are going back to the airport. So you rather go away from the airport ?? Duhhh !! Are you afraid of turning? Panicky you are.
@@outwiththem know nothing about physics you do. I gave you resources do. You are more likely to kill people than this pilot ever would. In fact he didn't. Plane is secondary life is primary. If a pilot judges the turn back manoeuvre will actually increase risk than yes absolutely choosing to go forward and finding another landing option is BETTER. I'd rather listen to aviation experts on this than a rando on TH-cam. G'day sir. Try and keep it polite next time and stay classy. 👋
@@TheWPhilosopher Bullshit. I saved people by turnback or around the airport instead of keep going forward in panic like this scared to maneuver guy did. Im a CFI, dummy..
@@TheWPhilosopher You posted "absolutely choosing to go forward and finding another landing option is BETTER". Yeah, crashing the airplane in the frozen FOREST is better than an airport. Get you head of your arseeee... Stupid to post that.
Your videos are great. The way you narrate them almost need no images for me to feel all the action that is going on. Congratulations! A suggestion for a video: Air Transat Flight 236 aka The Azores Glider 🙂
what i mean by the podcast comment us that you should totally use youtube as a platform too, but you could consider distributing this on a podcast platform as well!
Except for the captain that had his flying career ruined, and the woman paralyzed and confined in a wheel chair for the rest of her life. They lived and that's a good thing but that does not imply happy ending. Just not a fatal one.
choh-pin? 1:06 Ice changes the shape of the wing *and adds a lot of weight!* 6:58 No breach. It's an emergency and you can do what you need to meet the demands of the emergency.
Once again rear engine placement caused problems which would have need avoided if the engines were not rear mounted. You could argue that there were cases where the engines on a wing caused problems, but I get the feeling from these crashes that these planes with rear engine placement are too fragile.
It seems for as rare as there supposed to be plan crashes and malfunctions seem to happen way more often then they should of happen. Especially in foreign plane trips like going from japan to Sweden our something like that.. in fact the worst plane crash in history was going from japan to I don’t recall were but it caused the death of 500 people. No it was not a single plane i think it was two planes that collide into each other. One of the other plane crash you tubers covered it. Don’t recall the flight number. Though i noticed the 747 jet models from bowing had a lot of accidents and malfunctioning issues. Yet they continue to manufacture them for decadess despite these issues . I think eventually after 20 to 40 years of issues i think that model of 747 finale got discontinued.
@@relrel3707 Why do you say that?? Never seen that airliners can glide and do gliding turns too?? Buaaaa, buaaaaa!!! Mom, he is saying airliners can glide too!! Buaaaa!!
@@outwiththem they wanted to return to the airport. They tried to restart the engines but were unable to. They dropped out of the cloud at about 900’ realised they would not make the airport and would have to land in the field straight ahead of them.
@@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 Yes i know that they kept going straight ahead and away from the airport when they were supposed to Turnback to it. Failed to Turnback..
@@outwiththem Airliners are not efficient gliders, they descend pretty quickly, they have a wide radius turn and a slow rate of roll. Every turn significantly increases the rate of descent. From 3200 aal they would not have been able to glide to the airport, let alone align the aircraft with the runway.
The company callsign on ATC frequency is “Scandinavian” and the company itself is normally referred to as “SAS” (at least in Sweden). The abbreviation comes from the older full name “Scandinavian Airlines System”.
Very interesting videos, thanks. Is it not possible to use videos depicting the actual aircraft type, that is being discussed, rather than different types that are not pertinent to the case being analysed. Thanks
02:45 The plane was at 3,300 feert and 196 knots.. They were supposed to Turnback to the airport, Instead of turning back, the captain KEPT GOING AWAY from the airport and into the forest area. He froze on controls. Huge pilot error not to navigate back to the airport with bad engines..
Loads of footage of 737, when it was an MD 81?? Make an effort! Especially since the location of the engines behind the wings was an important aspect of the crash.
I'd much rather trust myself in the driver seat of a vehicle on the ground over some jackass I've never met before thousands of feet in the air. "Safest way of transportation" only until you are one of the people injured or killed in such a safe mode of transportation.
One guy on board was on his way to a meeting. After the crash, he just took a taxi back to the airport, bought a new ticket and flew to his meeting on time.
That’s pretty tough.
My mans better have gotten a promotion
Probably the first and only person in history to use the phrase "Sorry I'm late my plane crashed"
This guy ranks right alongside the Japanese man who was present in both Hiroshima and Nagasaki and survived both atomic bomb blasts!
Bering Strait Railway did he have a meeting though
I wouldn't be able to do it, the odds of being in another crash are astronomical but still
One close encounter with death is enough
Many commercial pilots gain their experience by flying in the military. Some European military pilots come to the USA to learn to fly with US Air Force. Stefan was one of them and was in my pilot training class. Great guy, great pilot. We are all very proud of him.
What tremendous skill the pilot had, plus a clear head and calm demeanor. These things prevented even one fatality. It's a shame he never flew commercially again.
I don't like the word miracle it was a result of Skill ,Clear thought and let's face it luck
@@leebennett1821 I'm confused. Where did I mention it was a miracle? I only mentioned the pilot's skill, clear head and calm demeanor. ??
I wasn't implying you thought it was a miracle 😁😁😁😁 I was just affirming your view and adding that I don't like the idea of miracles
m'lady
@@leebennett1821 miracles come from skill, talent & luck.
“Titanium fire” is a terrifying phrase.
Everybody's gangster until the jet engine becomes jet fuel.
Actually, according to Mentour Pilot, it's even worse than the pilots not having training on the thrust restoration system. In fact, the airline hadn't ordered the planes with the system, so the indicators and controls for it were never installed. The relevant pages in the operating manual from the manufacturer, were also removed for the airline's version. IIRC, a later system update activated the system in software (it didn't need any additional hardware because the autothrottle system already included the necessary actuators).
So not only did they have no training, their manual had no mention of it, their checklists wouldn't have mentioned it, and they had no way to control the system and no way to even know it was armed. No wonder the captain felt so betrayed by the plane that he never flew professionally again!
Sweet lord! So basically becomes a death trap!
You would suspect that at least 1 would have died. It’s incredible that everyone survived
It truly is incredible. If the plane broke apart in any other way, a seat could have fallen out while they were still sliding and crashing.
Yeah it also looks like the two back parts slided into each other which could at least have crushed one.
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This comment appeared first in the TH-cam mobile app and weirdly spoiled the video in a...good way..?
@@urilou777 don't read comments then
It was such a shame, because Stefan Rasmussen never flew commercial aircraft again, he loved flying and it basically broke him, so so sad 😔.
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i speak from personal experience - traumatic experiences and ptsd are hard to cope with. i’m getting better. it’s a shame he could never fly again. i’m working on pursuing my hobbies again (music, writing, and tech mostly) without the anxiety of everything going wrong and me failing again. it sounds so ridiculous, but it’s a beast of an affliction to overcome.
@@ExperimentIV Nothing ridiculous about anything you've said. I wish you the best. Personally, music and drawing help me calm down. Although sometimes that damn guitar is frustrating, its still keeping my mind off the worst. Peace.....
@@joebeastyg5686 im autistic so my fine motor skills betray me when i try lead guitar, but i love chord shapes and open chord tuning. e standard chord shapes are for versatility and open chord tunings are so nice when you just want to chill out and play something pretty with low effort. thanks for your compassion. hope things get nice for you too.
@@ExperimentIV A fellow guitarist, nice 🤘 I can't shred, either. But I know exactly what you're talking about when you say chord "shapes". I call it splashing around the fretboard - it's almost like painting to me. Rock on!
I feel really sorry for the captain Stefan Rasmusen. This crash left him with PTSD so bad he never flew again. Especially since he loved flying and was such a popular pilot among crews and passengers.
yeah, i replied in another thread how hard it is to cope and heal when you have PTSD. i’m trying my best to enjoy all my hobbies again and the career path i was on before i got retraumatised (i originally got ptsd from multiple (on a daily basis) high intensity severely abusive behaviours. i was retraumatised 5 years ago. im still trying to enjoy my hobbies again. i’m thinking my strategy should be pushing myself into them, but not so hard that i get overwhelmed and burnt out again.
We have a house there and our neighbours were on that crash saw how beutiful the place was and decided to live there,
Would it be possible to show the same model of plane in the video as you are talking about ? I find that forming a mental picture of the accident described while watching a completely different type of aircraft is rather confusing.
Honestly sometimes it’s possible but most of the time it’s not for example there’s barely any footage of the SAS plane in question and more often than not I don’t get permission to use footage as using footage without permission is illegal.
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation Good effort. You could show a picture of the plane and explain why, all that time I was wondering how ice from the wings could detach and get in the engine with the configuration shown in the video.
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation would high quality ms flight simulator video help? I "fly" combat aircraft in DCS. I have the rig for it... Idk much about commercial flight. But I do know I have the rig to make nice video. If I could help your channel out I'd be willing. Id be totally fine signing anything so you could use any video I gave you in perpetuity so long as you... Well maybe we should talk about it. But I'd consider splitting the cost of various airframes to suit your videos. Idk if that'd help. But if you were interested I'd talk.
I really like your channel and you do pretty good research. You provide facts. So like I said, I'm not sure if I can help. But if I could, drop me a pm. I'm not expecting anything in return. But I would expect us to share costs equally for new aircraft.
I have decent experience, especially with compressor stalls and such (lol mig) and basic computer graphics. I'd like to see a tiny bit of graphics explaining what an extended flap or how ice on the top/bottom of a wing changes flight characteristics.
Your videos are fantastic, especially because I'm assuming you're at least a few years younger than me.
But anyway. Let me know if anything I said sounded interesting to you and fits with what you want to do with your videos.
Keep it up. You rock.
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation maybe instead of videos, you can make a slideshow of photos, or give more FAA crash report's graphs and figures. It might seem interesting. But for me, as an avgeek, it doesnt really matter what pictures do you give
Even an image of another same/similar model aircraft from a different company would be helpful to help us better understand what happened
I have been on about 2000 flights as I was a professional parachutist. I genuinely trusted my rig more than the aircraft and have a real fear of landings.
I remeber being on a twin otter that was taking off from a grass strip, heavy (full load, light fuel though) and lots of Georgia trees. As we start getting over the trees and at about 1000ft, the right engine suddenly goes into beta and I shit my pants. Pilot managed it and everything was fine, but holy shit.
Made for a 'soft' landing I guess :-) ?
Jump planes are famous for shoddy maintenance. Ever notice that jump pilots wear parachutes?
That's funny. When I first started jumping, I was terrified of leaving the aircraft. After a while, I was more terrified of the ride to altitude and I would watch my altimeter until we had at least 2,000 feet below us. After 2,000 feet, I began ro relax.
Mike Bundy lol I’ve never jumped, do they really?? I would be alarmed if my pilot was wearing a parachute...
@@drnogueiras8783 I'm not Mike, but yes, they do wear parachutes. However, their first priority is to make sure that the plane does not come down in residential areas, if possible. Of the two aircraft that went down at two of the drop zones I use to frequent, the pilots did not make it out and perished upon crashing.
That's insane that everyone survived, looking at the pictures
the way it broke into three pieces, it still baffles me to this day
To me it's more remarkable that only one person was seriously injured (became paralyzed chest and down).
The long stretch through the woods (the reason they let down the landing gears, as extra brakes) reduced speed significantly. It had been much worse with a touch down at full speed.
Here, also they were lucky the tail hit the ground first, acting like a plowbill, the rest of the plane, the ox so to speak, pulling forward, that stopped quickly. Now that little help from the tail going down first, reduced the impact when the front belly took ground and made an immediate stop.
The plane broke at two places, the first part turned a little to the right, the middle a little to the left, but the third, hind, was nearly in the same direction as the middle, almost parallel. It had moved sidewise more than forward.
If the full pressure from the last third had continued forward the wreck had looked like an N, and the increased force had caused many more, and much severe injuries.
(Later the common joke went "In Gottröra, they have the most expensive plowbill ever", it's easy to make fun of things when the outcome is as lucky as this was.)
So very thankful everyone lived. Kudos to these pilots! I’m so sorry Captain Rasmussen never flew again. God bless him❤️
captian Stefan G. Rasmussen told a danish news team that he loved flying, but he has lost all confidence in flying ,so he never flew as a captain again :(
he could just fly in the tropics, like Cuba Florida route ;)
@@maximme thanks for that info micheal,i´m glad he managed to fly again :) I got told a different story ! my danish girlfriend told me that he suffered with tinnitus after the crash ,which affected his abilities to fly, and that he lost all confidence in flying, i know he is a lecturer now in denmark but i dont know what he teaches. have a great day Micheal :)
@@jonboy1937 I think you understood Micheal wrong. He was giving a suggestion that the pilot COULD fly in the tropics, not making a statement of fact.
Thank you for the update though!
he handled that perfectly though.
If this had to be his last flight as captain, I'll call that a good thing, because of the lives he saved.
Eventually we're gonna go full circle and just put feathers on plane wings.
4:21 I can't imagine the fear and dread the atc was feeling when he heard that statement.
If an off duty captain wants to come help operate the APU during double engine failure at takeoff I don’t think anyone in the world is going to complain.
I'm just so happy everyone lived!!! Definitely a huge teachable moment here and I'm always so glad that aviation lives by the philosophy of learning from past mistakes. 👏👏👏👏👏
All the aviation rules are written in blood
Well, they learn most of the time!!!🤫
The MOST important lesson was NEVER TRUST THE PRODUCER.
McDonnell Douglas failed in information to SAS about that automatic system, so SAS could IMPOSSIBLY train the pilots.
The plane had been in for a total maintenance, where they installed that program, and failed to inform about it.
Anyway, it's not clear that the system had made the situation any better. Or what happened if that system wasn't installed. I guess the latter had given them a chance to go back to Arlanda. That had been a situation the pilots were trained for.
Many thanks for making these fantastic videos. For a plane nut like me, they are the best thing out there! I hope you continue to make more .. although I have plenty to get through yet!! Thank you!!
The pleasure is all mine paul!
Wow..that footage @6:50 of that huge airplane turning completely around is stunning. I have never seen this before. ✈✈
They only have to do that at a small airport with only one runway, and no taxiways. Most airports will have a turning pad, so they aren't turning right on the runway.
While planes are really big compared to us humans, that particular plane is quite small compared to other planes. It's pretty common for planes to turn around on the runway at small airports
@@flo7096 Really?? Even big jumbo jets like Air Canada, British Airways?? I have never seen a large plane do this..I've seen little ones turn on the runway, but when I saw this, I just thought the footage was stunning!! ✈❤
@@ForeverAlansGirl yes I have seen the 747 making that turn. I think all jet engine plane can make that turn
@@ForeverAlansGirl Sometimes, in airports built in islands (St Marteen/Princess Juliana is a good example) there is not space for many taxiways unless you build artificial extensions. so turning pads gets built in the middle and at the end of the runway so those planes can do a 180 degree turn, go down the runway and exit from the other taxiways.
If you dont believe me, search for "KLM 747 Landing at Princess Juliana"
Very very good.. you voice cadence is much much better and you have added just the right about of "excitement" to your voice it is a nice smooth way to tell your stories.. excellent! You have come a long way on.. Well done and carry on!!!
@m.fferguson9787 Egads your right! I was just impressed at how much better his deliverance had gotten that is slipped my mind to really look at the plane.. But then I am sure you are plan enthusiast. I am just an encourager and like to see people doing there best.. Thanks for the heads up.
Great documentaries! Technical points explained without being patronizing. Keep up the good work!
I always thought engines in the back of the plane mid-level with respect to the fuselage were kinda safe from point of view of foreign object damage - but ice coming off the wing seems to be a horrid exception there.
Maybe the soviets were right to produce the Antonov An 72/74 with an upper wing with engine nacelles above the upper wing for the arctic and generally for STOL...
Good comment.
Robson Robson when I visited the Antonov base, they explained that such engines also allow the plane to operate on shit runways. They explained that Ukraine itself (-and much of East Europe) isn’t really always covered with perfect runways, and sometimes their planes operate in places where all they got is a dirt runway. So, they made a right call.
Having the engines tail mounted is actually quite dangerous. In addition to the risk of ice or slush entering the engine on rotation, rear mounted engines create a risk of a deep stall which is near impossible to recover from and rudder blanking on the ground which was the cause of the Delta plane going off the runway at La Guardia.
@@hewhohasnoidentity4377 It's not the engine placement that creates the risk, it is the placement of the elevators that creates the risk of deep stall.
Additionally rear mount engines can actually help if your elevator is stuck in a pitch up angle. On other planes there's nothing you can do and it will stall, but throttling up rear mount engines will push the nose down
It was not the Pilots fault, we the public, as far as i can remember, never blamed the Captain(although he was not celebrated, because of the two others). However the plane was not saved by or was the Captain betrayed. This is the more correct story of what happened: /watch?v=OR0WfTUDj-U. The plane was saved by two former Swedish Air force pilots who knew the Pratt & Whitney JT8D-1 from their time as Viggen pilots.
When a team of people are responsible for maintenance, it ends up nobody feels responsible. And if nobody feels responsible, then they aren't going to do a thorough job.
this video was almoast uploaded on my birthday, great video!
Stefan Rasmussen should consider himself lucky that there was not even an iota of evidence against him. If there had been a drop against him the final investigation report would have come out with the ubiquitous conclusion_ pilot error
Pity that such a level headed calm brilliant pilot didn't fly commercial again
Tufts on the wings are usually markers for research purposes. I've never heard of commercial airliners having them for regular use.
Another great video, thanks! Everyone survived, always good to hear.
WOW everyone survived despite the fuselage breaking apart
The pilots missing ATR training is an understatement. The airline bought the MD-81's new and did not get information about the ATR being ínstalled to begin with. That's more than just not educating the pilots properly...
Would it be that 737 MAX story is a repeat?
Apparently the ATR is there to comply with take-off noise regulations over built up areas in the US. As these regulations only applied in the US, the manufacturers didn't bother to tell overseas buyers about this 'feature'...
Incredible airmanship by the pilots! Salute to them!
7:02 i understand that with advances in technology and training, airliners dont really need a 3rd person manning the plane anymore.
But several times ive read n watch air crash investigations where the crash was caused due to both pilots being under severe pressure.
Its not everyday a plane crashes. U can practically count on both hands how many fatal crashes occur every year i think. Thats incredible considering that major airports around the world (before the pandemic of course) has a plane taking off or land every few minutes.
A third neutral pair of hands and eyes is always nice to have.
Just a note to people complaining about the footage, SAS removed the last MD-81 from their fleet in 2010. Most major airlines have retired their MD-80 series. Look at the date of this accident before you complain.
Wow, when I talked to you on Reddit, I became your 996th subscriber and you're already at 15k subs. Didn't even realise how your channel grew.
Glad you felt the need to explain what slush is.
Such a shame WHY Stefan Rasmussen never flew again. I remember this incident, and I remember the press afterwards. F... SAS for hinting that the pilots were to blame for the crash for 20years untill Nat Geo made a deep documentary about it. Only then did SAS formally declare that he was not to blame.
Just found your channel and already I live it, fantastic videos, really interesting to me as an aerospace engineering student.
Wow!! I would fly with these pilots any time.
sucks that he doesn't fly anymore :(
A witness on the ground described how he saw a plane passing overhead, completely silent. 😬
Talk about luck, that they happened to have an absolute pro riding as a passenger that saved the flight holy crap
Very nice explaining as always mate. Huge thumbs up
Thanks mate!!
Great video! I leave a comment on most videos. Helping you with the algorithm!
I love to watch you videos.
But i got a suggestion for you. I don't know if others are thinking the same way, but i like to listen to your videos while doing something else, so it would be great to have it as a Podcast only with audio. Uses less data and I could turn off the screen of my phone.
Thanks for your great informative videos!
That would be great!
I also watch the videos while doing other things and only listen to your speech.
If you get TH-cam premium it lets you switch off the screen. It also allows you to download videos while on wifi so you can watch/listen later without any data use
There's an Air Museum just off Runway 2 (19L-01R) that have pieces from the crash. Not sure if they are open now during Corona.. but they have some interesting ga planes there, and also for entusiasts there is also a Caravelle III at ESSA (Stockholm Arlanda Airport) that used to belong to the Swedish Air Force as a radio intelligence Aircraft. But is now being restored to old SAS standard A/C reg is SE-DAI
An incredible story. Kudos to all 3 pilots!
Talk about a miracle that no one was killed! Unbelievable
1:52
Actually the plane involved was a DC-9-80 not an MD-81.
Plus the fact that everyone onboard survived is nothing short of a miracle. No wonder its known as the Miracle of Gottröra
It's the same. The techincal name used by McDonnell Douglas was DC-9-81, but McDonnell Douglas (and every airline operating them) marketed it as MD-81 to differentiate it from the older generation DC-9 aircraft. No one really call them DC-9-81 in real life.
@@andrewsebastianrothgarnant350 i always call any variant of the DC-9 with the number suffix above 79 and MD80 variant. My peronsal favourite airliner is the DC-9-15. The short and stubby fueslage and wide wingspan make it a very characterful old bird
It changes the shape of the “leading edge” of the wing, which changes how air moves above and below the wing and therefore decides if the wing creates lift or stalls. I’ve been in major icing on a Cessna 172 and not being able to really see the overhead wing edge very well nearly got us killed. Without doubt the scariest time ever in a light plane drag I was helping to pilot. Don’t fly into icing conditions even if you have an IFR rating!! You can’t fight ice with ice!!!
Getting better with each and every episode! 👍
The breakup of the plane took all the force and became a shock absorber to save all people :)
Investigations show that the wings flexed upon takeoff as it begins to bear the weight of the aircraft, as they should. The ice on the wings broke off and went into the engines, damaging the engines and causing engines to loose power, not enough to keep it in the air.but just enough to keep the aircraft from stalling{,as the engines are very close above and behind the wings}.
7:10 that plane doing a 180 on the runway...! The stress on the right undercarriage, holy crap.....!
Interesting. The idea of the plane itself working against the pilot it quite scary.
As a complete layman when it comes to aviation, there is something I don't understand: The pilots detected engine surge during take-off and did the correct thing: reducing power.
Then an automated system came to live, forcing the power back up and thus trashing the engines. Given that reducing power is apparently the go-to response to engine surge, shouldn't the presence of said engine surge have prevented the automated thrust restoration from activating in the first place?
Apparently the ATS wasn't programmed to detect a surge. It was an oversight on the part of the manufacturer
@@MiniAirCrashInvestigation An oversight that nearly killed a lot of people.
A system that takes controll away from the pilot in a critical moment, and pilots not trained to handle the system.
That reminds me of Boeing's current troubles with their 737 MAX. Apparently those lessons aren't always fully learned...
This was an all engines failed glide needed from 3,200 feet agl. The Miracle on the Hudson was an all engines failed glide needed from 3,000 feet agl. Quite similar all engines out glides done by the captains. But. None of them to airports.. Lucky nobody died on both. Only the pets died on cargo compartment. The kept going away from airport when engines failed..
Well that's because turning in that scenario will generally just kill you. You'll lose too much altitude turning.
@@TheWPhilosopher So what? You are going back to the airport. So you rather go away from the airport ?? Duhhh !! Are you afraid of turning? Panicky you are.
@@outwiththem know nothing about physics you do. I gave you resources do. You are more likely to kill people than this pilot ever would. In fact he didn't. Plane is secondary life is primary. If a pilot judges the turn back manoeuvre will actually increase risk than yes absolutely choosing to go forward and finding another landing option is BETTER. I'd rather listen to aviation experts on this than a rando on TH-cam. G'day sir. Try and keep it polite next time and stay classy. 👋
@@TheWPhilosopher Bullshit. I saved people by turnback or around the airport instead of keep going forward in panic like this scared to maneuver guy did. Im a CFI, dummy..
@@TheWPhilosopher You posted "absolutely choosing to go forward and finding another landing option is BETTER". Yeah, crashing the airplane in the frozen FOREST is better than an airport. Get you head of your arseeee... Stupid to post that.
Great story and narration
6:30 was there really time for any checklists considering they were on such a low altitude and falling down?
I love it. Keep doing these :)
The "Shall we get the wheels down?" damn near made me dizzy.
Thank you for placing this video😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧😧
Stock footage from Split airport? I knew I wasn't imagining it!
Amazing job, everything considered.
Beautiful emergency landing performed under extreme pressure.
But the airplane you describe does not have engine below wing, but up on the back. MD-81 does not look close to the airplane your video shows
I think you're talking about a plane with the engines in back.
The pilot is awesome
Great work my dude
Your videos are great. The way you narrate them almost need no images for me to feel all the action that is going on. Congratulations! A suggestion for a video: Air Transat Flight 236 aka The Azores Glider 🙂
Thank you very much! Its on the list!
yeah, this could easily be distributed as a podcast as well. the footage is nice, but sometimes i have it play in the bg while i’m doing something
what i mean by the podcast comment us that you should totally use youtube as a platform too, but you could consider distributing this on a podcast platform as well!
the more i learn about planes, the more scared of ice i become
Amazing they All Lived. A Happy Ending Finally
Except for the captain that had his flying career ruined, and the woman paralyzed and confined in a wheel chair for the rest of her life. They lived and that's a good thing but that does not imply happy ending. Just not a fatal one.
Ya I like it wen they all survive
Excellent flying.
Thank you always for the videos bud.
Good work
Can't believe the safety checks are - have a feel if a bit of that wing Paul. 🤤🤤🤤
Thank fudge everyone survived.
choh-pin? 1:06 Ice changes the shape of the wing *and adds a lot of weight!* 6:58 No breach. It's an emergency and you can do what you need to meet the demands of the emergency.
Is the airport in the beginning Ioannina
Why is the text transcription cut off in the middle? If too long could you put the text on some cloud drive?
Great job. I like the narration.
Once again rear engine placement caused problems which would have need avoided if the engines were not rear mounted.
You could argue that there were cases where the engines on a wing caused problems, but I get the feeling from these crashes that these planes with rear engine placement are too fragile.
Another great video, thank you!
It seems for as rare as there supposed to be plan crashes and malfunctions seem to happen way more often then they should of happen. Especially in foreign plane trips like going from japan to Sweden our something like that.. in fact the worst plane crash in history was going from japan to I don’t recall were but it caused the death of 500 people. No it was not a single plane i think it was two planes that collide into each other. One of the other plane crash you tubers covered it. Don’t recall the flight number. Though i noticed the 747 jet models from bowing had a lot of accidents and malfunctioning issues. Yet they continue to manufacture them for decadess despite these issues . I think eventually after 20 to 40 years of issues i think that model of 747 finale got discontinued.
that plane broke well. Excellent job by crew. Bet everyone shat their pants.
They were at 3,200 feet agl when lose the second engine. They didnt Turnback to airport, kept going away from it. Why??
Your comment is a joke right?
@@relrel3707 Why do you say that?? Never seen that airliners can glide and do gliding turns too?? Buaaaa, buaaaaa!!! Mom, he is saying airliners can glide too!! Buaaaa!!
@@outwiththem they wanted to return to the airport. They tried to restart the engines but were unable to. They dropped out of the cloud at about 900’ realised they would not make the airport and would have to land in the field straight ahead of them.
@@kickedinthecalfbyacow7549 Yes i know that they kept going straight ahead and away from the airport when they were supposed to Turnback to it. Failed to Turnback..
@@outwiththem Airliners are not efficient gliders, they descend pretty quickly, they have a wide radius turn and a slow rate of roll. Every turn significantly increases the rate of descent. From 3200 aal they would not have been able to glide to the airport, let alone align the aircraft with the runway.
Good job, good show.
Nobody in the real world call the company "Scandinavian". It's SAS or Scandinavian air services.
Okay nerd
I’ve only ever heard it called “Scandinavian”
The company callsign on ATC frequency is “Scandinavian” and the company itself is normally referred to as “SAS” (at least in Sweden). The abbreviation comes from the older full name “Scandinavian Airlines System”.
Great video! Truly awesome & perfect shot 👍🏻
Very interesting videos, thanks. Is it not possible to use videos depicting the actual aircraft type, that is being discussed, rather than different types that are not pertinent to the case being analysed. Thanks
Plane crashes and fuselage breaks into multiple pieces: oh noooo
Everyone on board survives: FUCK YESSSS WOOOOOOOOO!!
02:45 The plane was at 3,300 feert and 196 knots.. They were supposed to Turnback to the airport, Instead of turning back, the captain KEPT GOING AWAY from the airport and into the forest area. He froze on controls. Huge pilot error not to navigate back to the airport with bad engines..
These passengerrs and the crew were the luckiest people in the world, how often you have an off duty pilot on board when he is absolutely needed?
That was excellent, thanks mate ,
How often do you upload videos?
At the moment every 5 days :)
the cold fuel cooling the wing would happen every flight. since its -70 degrees and colder at 30,000+ feet up
It’s called ‘cold soaking’
Loads of footage of 737, when it was an MD 81??
Make an effort! Especially since the location of the engines behind the wings was an important aspect of the crash.
Ice caused the Dryden, Ontario air crash as well. The difference is that there were fatalities.
You are so awesome
If one watches this stuff 1 may forget that flying is the safest way of transportation......
I'd much rather trust myself in the driver seat of a vehicle on the ground over some jackass I've never met before thousands of feet in the air. "Safest way of transportation" only until you are one of the people injured or killed in such a safe mode of transportation.
Why does sully get all the attention. This is just as if not more incredible.
Yeah, anytime someone says something is perfect, I assume it's not.
Ive never heard of these tufts on top of a wing in commercial service.
Good bless everyone on that flight
Awesome video