The Gottröra Miracle! SAS flight 751
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On the 27th of December 1991 an SAS MD-81 suffered a dual engine-failure only 2 minutes after takeoff from Stockholm Arlanda rwy 08.
What caused these critical failures? How did the pilots and cabincrew deal with the situation and what did the final report ultimately reveal?
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The dude: De ice operators, SAS Md80
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Knight flight video: (Saab SK37 Viggen )
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Wikipedia: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scandin...
Final report: www.havkom.se/assets/reports/...
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Mentour Pilot, you are a great storyteller! I've read, listened to and watched hundreds of crash investigation narratives, but you were able to review and relay the facts, adding your usual great pilot insights, all while keeping the intriguing pacing, mellow tone and metered plot reveal of a bedtime story. Well done!
I remember when I heard about it. Looking at the tv a bit supriced that all survived. It shows the importance to fly the plane untill it is on the ground.
@@harv2748 ¹¹¹10thya
Please can you tell me the breed of your dogs. Fantastic content sir.
I love how you make your TH-cam videos with unconscious dogs surrounding you
They are just tired from listening to aviation stories all the time 😂
@@badgerfruit4170 On a collisson course though
So jealous of the small sleepy dogs. My dog is just a huge wild beast who never sleeps so soundly.
I thought they were pillows 😂😂
@@hunter62207 Mentour Pilot rumor: the dogs are really pillows.
This crash is the reason I never take my shoes of when flying. I have a friend who was on this flight, and he had some nasty cuts on his feet after walking out of the aircraft without his shoes on.
Fun story, he had a mobile phone (they were very rare 1991) and actually called a cab to the crash site. He then took the cab home (obviously in shock) and there was a bit of a confusion before the emergency team could clear him on the passenger list.
Link?
@@32SQUID No link. This is from before the internet, and people talked IRL ;)
Rofl now that is quite a story
I never take my shoes off because feet tend to swell due to pressure changes. Not to make light of your friends story (I never wear unnatural fabrics on planes because they can melt to skin in fires so there's my airplane fear), but watching fellow friends complaining about how they can't get their shoes back on despite the lovely slippers they provide is my vindication. I also have been regularly on planes since I was two and I still count the rows forward and backward to the exits (that due to a movie theatre fire I was in as a child but it is better to be safe than sorry).
@@segreen1046 Hehe, I'm a sneakers guy, so swollen feet isn't the problem. I have to keep fresh socks in the carry on though;)
"Both engines failed. This is not good." - This is the legendary art of truthful understatement that a pilot requires when using the public address system.
BA9 level understatement
"We're now crashing into the ground." I think it's something to do with cold climates, Northern N. America, Siberia, Scandinavia it's too @#$% cold to mess around with a lot of words or waste energy you need for other things.
😢😅
Best said with a Northern European accent.
that is exactly what I was also thinking!
Sad to read in the comments below that Capt Rasmussen suffered from PTSD and never flew again, and that Capt Holmberg, who had gone into the cockpit to assist, also experienced problems. His input into the critical situation was vital and makes me feel that there should always be three flight crew in the cockpit. An extra pair of eyes, an extra set of experience and aviation skill could really help in emergency situations. I'm so pleased to hear that everyone survived, it really is a miracle as you say.
I agree. I just found this channel and have been on a 3 day binge, lol. This may sound dumb, but I never realized how much the captain and co-pjloy actually do before, during and after a flight, and especially all they do during an emergency. I think they all should have 3 pilots in case of emergency. Ya, 99% of the time they may not be fully needed, but in those 1% of problems, it's always or usually the pilot and co not acting quickly enough to keep the plane up. A third person may really help.
Will have 3rd & 4th set of eyes & ears in the cockpit with 5G + remote operation monitoring / controls like drones are flown now.
With so much automation and AI creeping into aircraft designs, the USA is now trying to get to one pilot. The pilots union is fighting this tooth and nail. I don't know FAA position. Yikes.
Stefan Rasmussen became a Politician...............for a few years.............now he`s obviously retired.........😎
More diversity, more skun tone variation, more women, trans people and homosexuals could provide a critical breath of lived experience.
Those dogs have prefected the art of napping...😂👍
love them
So did those teens in that cabin. LOL.
That couch is infused with tranquilizers.
The dogs have heard this story before, obviously.
I know right? It’s not a proper video without them!!
I love how you always bring the cabin crew into the story, their job and their professionalism.
Or they non-professionalism sometiles
Sudden loss of cabin pressure, but Petter is used to it so he is not affected😉
The off duty pilot who just happened to know exactly what was happening, just happened to be on the plane is amazing.. these are the things that make me love life XD
You should check Alrosa flight 514 if you like stories like this.
United 232 is another great example of this, They suffered a critical failure that was so catastrophic and unlikely, the airline industry decided it wasn't worth training anyone over, because in their eyes, it, A, wouldn't happen, and B, even if it did happen it would be impossible to save the plane anyways. Yet, there happened to be an off duty pilot on board when this disaster happened who took it upon himself to study how to deal with this particular failure after studying the events of JAL 123, which crashed for similar reasons.
I spoke to Captain Rasmussen about 20 year’s ago while sharing a common hobby. He mentioned that, while waiting for emergency services on the field the crew had to prevent several passengers from re-entering the broken aircraft. The passengers wanted their “duty free” booze and cigarettes. 😳
I'd like cigarettes and booze too if I just survived a crash to be fair
@@gg2324 ... waiting outside in the snow, the booze becomes a necessity!
@@truehighs7845😮 quickest way to die of hypothermia! *Never drink alcohol in the cold!*
@@truehighs7845No booze! Hypothermia + booze = death!!!
I've always argued that those items should just be a QR code on a card and that there should be a counter in arrivals where you get your duty free there. Carry yet ANOTHER source of flammable material in the cabin unnecessarily seems risky.
the third pilot sitting in cabin is a truely dedicated person to his job since he made his own checklist!
I would say it's a huge responsibility and very many of them absolutely love their jobs and want to be the best they can possibly be. Petr himself is a shining example of such dedication - well done to all of them, as well as that sprinkling of luck they enjoyed.
Ravi that is BS.
@@paulfaulkner6299 Then you get pilots like Bonin.
Ex military people stay in character always. My dad was ex army. I’m not surprised by this. Huge discipline and willingness to sacrifice yourself.
What amazing good fortune that the Pilot was flying as a passenger on that particular flight.
Both engines fail, first the right and then the left.
"This is not good" might be a bit of an understatement.
Anyone would think he was British!
FLAPS, FLAPS, FLAPS - we need more people flapping.
@Pen Guin I didn't know, I've only met two...
@Pen Guin Lol! Two Swedes. I've met quite a few Brits.
I dunno - I think pilots are good, nay, masters, at understatement. Harrison Ford lands on a taxiway - "Well, there's something you don't see every day..." Sully lands on the Hudson River - "I like the way he kept the nose up." etc.
As he was describing the start of the crash, the wing torn off by the trees.... I started to tear up thinking how sad it was everyone was killed after such a valiant effort to save the plane. Then he says all 129 passengers and crew got out of the airplane alive with only one serious injury! I love a happy ending. 💓
Thank you, Mentour for this great video!👍👍
Continental Airlines retired captain here. Excellent, clear, and concise description and analysis of this potentially tragic accident. Although I never had the pleasure of flying the MD-80 during my 20-year airline career, I had close friends who did at CO, Frontier, and also American Airlines. In US airlines' operation of the "Super 80" in the 1980s, the ice ingestion problem from super-cooled fuel creating clear ice on top of the wing roots during short ground times in all types of weather conditions was well known. I can't recall what the corrective action was (wing root heating panels?) After several damaged fans and compressers occurred, fortunately without accidents, the problem was effectively eliminated, and fan/compressor damage from clear ice ingestion ceased throughout the US airline MD-80 operator fleets.
I am quite surprised that SAS and presumably other foreign airlines were still unaware of this problem as late as 1991! The solution is not just training pilots on how to react to ice ingestion-induced compressor stalls and overriding the thrust recovery system, but elimination of the source of wingroot clear ice formation in the first place! This could be a classic case of failure of the manufacturer, the FAA, the Swedish aeronautical authority, and the airlines' failure to share critically important operational safety information which could easily have prevented this potentially multi-fatality accident. The international commercial aviation reporting system is designed to prevent this very situation from happening. In this case it obviously failed in several respects.
Thank you very much for your additional information. It is really astonishing, that this well-known problem on the MD 80-series was not taken care of by the SAS company.
I don't know if it is the same type of plane, I think not, however, isn't this how a passenger jet ended up in the Potomac in the early 80's killing most on board? I think, after de-icing the wings, the plane still ended up having to wait for too long before take-off.
@@emrsngs The crash into the Potomac was an Air Florida 737 and a different cause. An external sensor designed to measure engine thrust EPR (exhaust pressure ratio) iced over during a long weather related departure delay and gave the crew erroneous information for setting engine takeoff power. That resulted in setting too little power for takeoff and the crash into the 16th Street Bridge.
I understand they get Afghan refugees out on the wings with those little scrapers nowadays.
@@AndyJarman, I'm pretty sure that Petter would kick you right off his channel if he was aware you posted this foul bigoted schoolboy shit. Keep it yourself, Andy, and grow up.
As I remember the interviews afterwards was that Stefan Rasmussen was a highly respected pilot with an open and friendly attitude towards copilots and cabin crew and also passengers. So he always created a really good atmosphere aboard and was known for this. That, I think, contributed to the fact that the cabin crew and copilots knew that it was ok, and felt there was room to act, to take responsibility. The team was the hero that day...
I absolutely agree but we gotta be honest here, the off duty pilot was the biggest hero of all. Not only did he seem like the most competent of them all in that specific situation (that is NOT a dig at the others, just reality), but this man voluntarily subjected his body to a plane crash into hard ground without even a seatbelt, and if he wasn't there to apply flaps when he did then everyone likely would have died... I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually killed in the crash and God bounced him right back into his body because of what he did.
@@bschneidez He had the most flight time on that specific aircraft and thus could intuit things about the situation they were in that the other pilots could not. Just goes to show how big a difference thorough training and years of experience on an aircraft can make in desperate times!
@@kohlinoorNot on this aircraft, but on fighter jets which in Swedish weather, suffer from the same problem.
His actions absolutely saved the day, and the plane. He should receive a medal for his bravery. Would this have been a military plane, he'd surely already been decorated
Stefan Rasmussen was respected not only because he was a nice guy (which he was - and probably still is). He was also respected for his competence. All three pilots contributed to the success of the outcome. Each one of them could easily have made a (small) mistake that would have cost the lives of everyone onboard. Who's the bigger hero is a matter for armchair pilots only ;o)
they want to take away this atmosphere and brotherhood by only having AI and one pilot flying the plane
@Mentour Pilot Well this is one of the cases where it's clear how important these reports are - not only from a "learning to prevent further accidents" standpoint - but also from an assigning of blame standpoint. I was 12 (I'm from Denmark BTW) when this happened - and I CLEARLY remember how much shit was thrown at Cpt. Rasmussen - saying he was to blame and how bad of a pilot he was. I particularly remember how he was basically forced into a press conference where he was bombarded with "why did you do this and that" questions. The man was CLEARLY in distress - and - though I didn't realize it at age 12 - he was clearly suffering from PTSD. Though I didn't know what it was - I CLEARLY remember feeling soooo fucking sorry for him - as a child - wondering how the hell adults could treat someone that way! The man did everything he possibly could - and no one could have done it better with the information/education SAS had given him. The other captain and the 2nd pilot were amazing too - so was the cabin crew.... why the hell media needed to draw blood from this amazing display of skill, courage and - coolness under pressure is beyond me!
... All of this led to Rasmussen never returning to flying - and don't tell me the incompetent media attention didn't help make sure he never would! Only later did he and the crew receive their due recognition for their accomplishment. He did eventually get a Danish knights cross ... though that sort of feels like a sub par reward for what he went through - the repercussions to his health (PTSD and Tinnitus) - which has led to him being a bus driver today. Don't get me wrong there is nothing wrong with being a bus driver.... but is it really a "happy ending" for a hero pilot who got hurt from the crash where he saved 129 souls - and from the cruelty of "modern media"?
That is horrible to hear and absolutely not justifiable. I agree, in a field like aviation where proper investigations are made, there is no need for journalists without even a basic understanding of the topic to bombard him like this.
Only thing I would say: I saw on another comment that he felt very insecure even after because he got into a situation he wasn't trained for. This might've been a part of the reason as well.
That is a thing I respect so much in pilots. There will always be an incident that there's no checklist for and/or that can't be foreseen. Yet they voluntarily carry the responsibility of keeping every soul on board safe.
People who were on the plane have since named their children after Captain Stefan Rasmussen.
They knew he and the crew were heroes.
The journalists, had to sell newspapers with "large writings".
There should be some journalists sitting here today and ashamed.
Yes, I think it's a happy ending. From what I've heard and read, Rasmussen mostly turned his back to being a commercial pilot because he lost trust in the airplane itself (like it was said in the video too). He apparently still flies, but only small aircraft for private purposes as a hobby. And as you said "nothing wrong with being a bus driver", so if he's happy, then that should be enough. :)
And he got his recognition in the end as well. ^^
The news media are heartless. They do not care whose life they tear apart as long as they get their headlines. The meaner the lies, the better. Very sad, but true.
The easiest thing to do is to blame the crew. What people don't understand is that humans cannot magically come up with procedures on the fly for situations that they have never been trained for.
Must have been a helluva night if those teenagers in the cabin weren’t woken by a huge passenger plane crash-landing-breaking into 3 pieces!-in a nearby field in the morning!
Not the only time people have slept through a plane crashing near their house.
They sure woke to to The story of a Lifetime
@@lizlovsdagmara5525 I didn’t sleep next to a plane crash but a car bomb went off outside my windows and I only found out when I woke up the morning after.
Two words…teenagers…morning!
@@sfbirdclub
😂😂🤣
As a Swede myself, this is easily my favourite video of yours and I keep coming back to it. I also listened to the P3 documentary during my latest roadtrip. The way Pär Holmberg has been treated after this is so sad. He really did a heroic thing and deserves proper recognition for his actions.
He's not Swedish. He's from Spain.
@@32SQUID He's Swedish, living in Spain.
@@worstofficerdennis He was born in Spain. He's Spanish. It doesn't matter that he married a Swedish chick.
@@32SQUID Petter was born in Sweden and grew up in Örnsköldsvik, and still has his summer home very close to where I have mine. His wife however is not Swedish.
@@worstofficerdennis link?
"Do you need help? I'm a pilot!"
"Perfect, yes! Thank you! Could you read the checklist?"
"Sure! I made my own!"
"Whut?"
haha those were the days... not so relaxed anymore I imagine..
I only use indie checklists, none of that mainstream stuff.
and then he says: uhhh actually no I'm fine thank you
Today, that would have never have happened since the flight deck cabin door would be locked.
@@Topdogswmi uniformed pilot would have key on him
As I remember it, this became the last flight Captain Rasmussen ever did, right?! (He lost his confidence and got really bad PTSD from that crash.) People often forget about the after mass from a crash. He never came back. We have no idea how this miracle affected the rest of the crew and the passengers. There are some untold stories there. (We can only guess the burden they carry.) A miracle yes, but also a tragedy in other ways.
We need all the stories.
I highly recommend reading Expressen's interviews with Per Holmberg, where he actually states that he sometimes regrets intervening.
@@kykk3365 Do you know why he regrets? And how did he recovered after this?
@Morgan Svensson
Indeed!
@@julicum According to Wikipedia - In 1993, Holmberg received the HM The King's Medal from Carl XVI Gustaf , with whom he attended the cadet school, for his heroic efforts in Gottröra [ 3 ] . After six months of convalescence , he continued to fly MD-80 for SAS. In January 1995, however, he decided to stop flying completely after 33 years and a total of 12,447 flight hours.
I absolutely love the attitude of Mentor Pilot: always positive, highly respectful towards people, excellent pronunciation of the names of his brothers- in-profession, so to speak , very enthusiastic about an aviation and his voice is really sympathetic to the victims of any tragic events. ❤❤❤
I love how chill your dogs are while you tell harrowing stories.
You know dogs don’t understand what we say?
IIRC this caused a sad ending to Cpt Rasmussen's career; after getting cleared of all accusations he tried to return to cockpit, but failed. This incident turned out to be an overwhelming mental burden for him :(. As an ATC officer I can imagine the horror at their side of the radio as well. Seeing a plane slowly losing altitude and eventually fading out on the radar, as it reaches the ground level, is one of the worst nightmares of an air traffic controller - being second only to a mid-air collision.
yes, for a some time he was blamed for ruining the engines by not throttling back the engines when they surged, but as we now know he was overruled by an automatic system he did not know about. He never really got back to flying, paraphrasing: he felt betrayed by the airplane and could no longer trust an airplane to do what he told it to
Mayday/Air Crash Investigation did an episode about this, appropriately called "Pilot Betrayed".
Poor guy, that's so tragic! He played an instrumental role in everyone's survival on that flight, yet even after it became clear it was an automatic system that restored the thrust he had to deal with his own mental trauma from having an aircraft he was told he had supposedly been comprehensively trained on disobey him in an emergency and do the exact opposite of what he told it to. If I imagine myself in his shoes; I would certainly have a tough time (to say the least) getting back to the point that I could 100% trust my flight controls, autopilot systems, training courses, and even manuals given to me. Wouldn't surprise me if he developed PTSD. Doing well and saving lives doesn't mean it's not still traumatic and mentally scarring to have all that trust yanked out from under you just as you lose 2 engines to a cause you weren't trained on.
Shame, but may be he was not made of the right material for being a pilot. And after the incident, he became a politician and a member of the Danish parliament (easy money without too much work).
@@todortodorov940 you must joking, former fighterpilot with +8000 hours lands an airplane with no engines in a field saving everyone onboard and he maybe not made of the right material for being a pilot?
Mentour Pilot should have his Netflix show. The way he covers material is so meticulous and interesting.
Yes! Especially the episodes where he breaks out these intricate animations and descriptions on how very unique parts of the aircraft operates. The quality at times honestly exceeds that of discovery channel or whoever could compete, this is more intimate and will also have more passion in the message as he is a pilot, and knows exactly what’s going on and how to describe it.
His content is a perfect fit right where it is. TH-cam isn't $15 a month.
The poodles are extra. With all the knowledge they get first hand should earn their wings.
I agree.. he is so thorough and breaks it down for everyone to understand! I am hooked on his channel.
The problem is, Netflix would dumb it down..
Completely different situations, but the similarities between this accident and the United DC10 at Sioux City, IA are striking. Particularly in flight crew resource management, cabin crew performance, and a off duty pilot who had been thinking about this exact situation being a passenger and steeping up to help!
Synergy is the perfect word. This crew perfectly filled in each other's blanks. Capt: Controlled the aircraft under crazy circumstances, but unfamiliar with failure mode. FO: Recognized failure mode, but had no resolution. Asst. Captain: Brought resolution (his own checklist in his head), kept captain focused on flying. And MEGA PROPS to cabin crews everywhere! Survivable accidents are only survived because of them.
22:17 - Tuckered out white floof silently conducting her own concert. It's so cute. Surprised no one else caught it.
Pointing out where the exit is, go that way
I think that we all caught it. And we all thought that it was cute!
so cute! The dog having sleep twitches at 22:20
I noticed that 🙂
I saw it, and I thought she was waving at her dad to get to the punchline!
Am I the only person who ever wonders why there is always those few people that hit the thumbs down on such a great and informative video? You want the real story in a nutshell, come here. You want ridiculous drama, watch a couple of the other air crash shows. Those deserve the thumbs down. Thanks for another outstanding video!
Thank you! That’s really nice to hear
Probably unintentional, it's easy to do especially if you're older or were busy navigating an intersection in your car while thumbing thru videos🤕
Quite right Stan. I have done it twice unintentionally and felt really bad about it both times. Sadly there is no way to correct such an error that I know of.
@@marktolner2922 To correct an accidental thumb down, just hit the thumb up.
@@Graham_Wideman Thanks Graham. I had no idea you could do that and appreciate you taking the time to let me know.
My two uncles were pilots, three cousins and my younger brother are all commercial pilots, I have an engineering degree and always love to work on car engines as a hobby. I absolutely respect and commend your knowledge about airplanes its technical, mechanical and aro dynamics, Love your channel
I can imagine the dinner table when you all got together, how awesome. In the blood clearly.
I came across this older video after binging like 50 others and man the growth in the quality of your videos and story telling is incredible. You’re ok here but you are amazing now. Way to go consistency.
I felt so bad for Captain Rasmussen. He really was deceived by his own aircraft, and he never recovered from the trauma sufficiently to ever fly again.
@@JK-gw1yf Don't listen to the other replier, they're being a pointlessly antagonistic and a fool.
@@JK-gw1yf This shows that trauma is real, not something to be brushed off. It can vitally affect a person so much. Too bad Desi parent's can't understand.
@@thescarletblimpernel3720 totally missing the point. Does intelligence intimidate you?
@@louissanderson719 its probably the fact some people feel the need to overoveroveranalyze everything that annoys him. Thats why I also dont really like psychology students...
@@bepowerification fair point. Probably why Philosophy students annoy me too 😜
This story still tears my eyes up to this very day. I remember it very well, as it dominated all Nordic news back then of course and of course here in Norway.
I was 21 back in 1991 and I have flown A LOT in those planes. I remember how happy we all were here in Norway that no one died and we considered it a miracle as well, and we understood that the pilots would have had to have made an absolutely fantastically heroic job. Thank you so much for explaining this yet again. I have seen other Swedish documentaries and US ones about this but none of them explained it as clear and as well as you have done here. Thank you so much again. All the best from Oslo, Norway. Cheers from Øyvind.
21 in 1991. That means you must be in your thirties now, right?... Wait. Shit. Wait, what, nooo, that can't be right...
@@neolexiousneolexian6079, yeah, you nailed it ! ! !
i didnt know 51 year olds knew how to use youtube. Cool
@@iarmycombo5659 I am here and I am 59!
@@paulahislop222 Im over 40 years younger than you lmao. I did not believe an age gap like that is even possible in the internet. Well i guess you were one of the first generations to learn to use a smartphone. I guess also not knowing any english plays a part since basically only native english speakers and english teachers know english at that age.
Always nice to see a shout-out to the team of flight attendants. The team showing initiative and working to make this event survivable was no accident. They knew what had to be done and got on with it. Communicating in more than one language was a particularly professional and admirable measure.
Your newer videos don’t have enough dogs in them. :-)
I read that this really messed up Captain Per Holmberg's life, he got late injuries that made him unable to work and pretty much ruined an entire decade of his life and he had to fight to get insurance pay from SAS which didn't get payed as insurace but as regular pay so half of it tax. There were also people within SAS that criticized him for going into the cockpit to help
SAS wasn't happy that passengers lived to sue the SAS. The ground crew failed in making sure the ice was cleared from the wings. The third person was the reason this plane didn't end up killing the passengers and crew. It took 30 minutes to get help and did the do anything for the teenager. They made a call from their house, but didn't they have contact with the airline control staff?
@@royrodriguez1978 ALl the aeroplanes electrics would have been sut off immediately by the pilots once they came to a stop, so no, they woulnd't have been able to use the radios.
The pilots welcomed his help. That's crazy that he would be criticized. And if they didn't want him they would have said so.
@@royrodriguez1978 you do realize that if every passenger and all the crew die they still have families who can and will sue? Probably for even more money?
Who knows if he had not gone to the and helped every one plus himself could have been killed a mater of self survival .
I remember this event very clearly. A few years later, 1994, I did my military service as an airport firefighter at Arlanda & Örnsköldsvik. . We had a printout of the completed air crash investigation report. It had all the events with actions and communication timed second by second from takeoff to the crash. I read it with a stopwatch. What struck me then was how quickly everything happened, only seconds between each event and need for evaluation and decisions..
This pilot is a TH-cam Gem, tells stories better than my Grandpa. Nice job thank you!
I was there on that day, leaving on a flight later that day. For us in the airport we couldn't get any information about what had happened other than we noticed there were lots of additional police, but when we arrived in Florida 16 hours later it was already in the US newspapers "Christmas miracle in Sweden". Quite a memorable day...
The dog on your right opens one eye stretches and looks at you as if to say “who is he talking too ?” Until this moment I didn’t even know that was a dog. I thought he was a fluffy pillow .
Thank you Mentour Pilot!
There are many "Air disaster" or "Air forensics investigations" channels on YT that I occasionally watch, but they are boring and depressing. Your storytelling instead is bright and exciting. May be a new branch of aviation for you to report, professionally and without being boring.
Regards,
May appreciation to @Mentour Pilot for this well narrated report, very nice indeed
I Think the mayday episode of this crash is pretty good
Those chanels do a lot of murder mysteries. It's all about putting together a puzzle you haver want to give them.
Plus, he has dogs.
And love to see his puppies relaxing.
Jag bor nära Gottröra, kommer ihåg denna men visste inte så mycket du beskriver. Tack för videon!
They were truly....out standing in their field.
Sorry, I couldn't pass it up. 😂 Thank you for this amazing story, Mentour!
I met the pilot of this flight in 1998 if I recall correctly. Solid man. An honour to meet him.
Comment est-ce arrivé, Michel?
@@MrPomelo555 Était-ce le commandant de bord (qui a quitté l'aviation après ce crash) ou le copilote ?
julosx le premier officier Dirk De Jáger a continué sa carrière de pilote, éventuellement auprès d’un autre transporteur. Quant au commandant Robert Piché, il est aujourd’hui à l retraite et a continué à piloter pour Air Transat de nombreuses années. Incidemment, il a déjà été mon pilote sur un vol Paris - Montréal en 2009. L’atterrissage fut un peu brusque!
Michel, you are totally correct in your description of Capt Rasmussen. The captain went to the US to learn to fly with American Air Force pilots. He was in my pilot training class in '72 for one year and was an outstanding pilot.
@@MrPomelo555 rencontre chez mon beau-père qui était un collègue pilote chez SAS
Holy crap! This happened to me! I am not a pilot. I was a passenger. I forget what type of plane I was on but it was in the US, mid-80s, with two engines at the rear of the plane.
Back then I smoked and you could smoke on a plane. I was in the very last seat (back end was the smoking section), the engine cowling partially blocked my window. This is why I remember this vividly. I was literally next to the engine (or at least as close as was possible in the cabin).
As we accelerated down the runway there were two big "booms" next to me from the engine. Kinda big "whumps". Not sure how to describe it except to say it scared me (and everyone else but especially me since I was next to the engine). It was not catastrophic but you couldn't miss it and remain calm either.
The engines immediately spooled down and we coasted a bit and went back to the terminal. No one got off (was never an option) and we were later told all was good and we went again and flew with no problem. Personally, I wanted a new plane but no one asked me or gave me an option.
The pilot told us that during takeoff there was a crosswind which interfered with air going in to the engine so the plane was fine, freak occurrence, nothing to worry about. I have no idea if he was lying or not.
(And FTR I quit smoking long ago...it was a different time back then.)
Sounds like a compressor stall
Interruptions to the airflow into the engines can make them bang and pop. The pilots probably aborted as soon as they heard the noise before trying to figure out what caused it.
Glad you made it and are well. 🙏❤️
The statement from the pilot was at least plausible. Some types of planes with tail mounted engines are susceptible to getting compressor stalls when there is enough crosswind. I guess the plane you were on was one of those.
The cooperation of each person involved, from pilot to passenger, and the way various skills came together in this event really gave me chills. I hope the one severely injured woman was able to recover in time, or at least come to terms with her situation. I think stories like this are why my dad has always pushed everyone to learn a wide array of knowledge: you never know who you'll be able to help...with an oddly specific checklist you thought through for yourself! 😳
I'm so thankful that everyone survived this crash. I dearly wish it would be so for every emergency in planes. You make your stories so real and do such a great job of explaining what went wrong and why it did. I cannot say enough good about your amazing gift in talking about these happening. Thanks for being there. Also--I love your two little dogs. They look to be Toy Poodles? Very pretty little dogs.
I loved the detail about the teenagers waking up to 125 people on the property with a disassembled airplane in the background. "Yeah, like, you know, there's like a gob of people outside coming from a busted plane..."
He might have told them,"I can't welcome all of you inside, y'know".
guys remark " oh we just stepped off the plane for a little fresh air" lol
'I can't make tea for all of you, I only have two clean mugs' (I'm British. Lmao)
Disassembled, LMAO
good premise for a TV pilot (lol)
As a retired RAF pilot I love your very informed videos, but your little dogs are so sweet! Bless them. We have just got a little puppy to replace our much-loved Yorkie who passed away in September. Keep up the good work and fly safe!!.
For me, this was one of the most moving of your videos, and i did actually cry when i heard that not only had the plane managed to land, everyone on board was alive and for the most part uninjured physically. What an incredible story, and told as always, so beautifully, with attention to detail and complete empathy for everyone involved. I did end up also laughing (through those tears) at the image of those teenagers waking up (I'm assuming hungover), to the sight of an airplane crashed on the field opposite, and 120+ people who must have been beyond shocked, all of this in the middle of winter.
Nicely said. Agree.
In my country, a while ago, long before GPS, we had a commercial air plane crashing and some survivors were lost in the forest for some days. All of it happened because the pilot made a mistake and refuse to listen to the 1st officer and to an frequent flyer to fix it.
To listen and to accept help is a great skill for a good captain.
Varig 254 ?
Much, much more interesting (and helpful) than Aircraft Investigations tv series!
I`m a 737 pilot as well and these accidents/incidents investigations presentations earned my subscription. Thank you and keep up with the good work!
So glad to hear that from a colleague! Fly safe and welcome to the channel.
I find these programmes fascinating. It reminds me of 1970s TV when you often had highly educated, articulate, people making programmes. Today's TV seems dominated with the low-IQ, personality by-pass people. I still have a 1970s 'TV-IQ.'
@@robertsmuggles6871 Personality by-pass! Bahaha. I'm going to use it more often in conversation...
This incident really shows how important planning is, especially regarding the pilot that came from the cabin. Not just learning what is taught at a Type Rating course, but thinking further and using previous knowledge 👍🏼
I cant help but wondering what would have happened if that incident occured now and not 1991. Mr Holmberg wouldnt have been able to help as quickly since doors to cockpit are locked and the flight crew were too occupied to answer.
I have seen documentaries about this crash before, but Petter, youre the best!
Greetings from Ö-vik
Petter is a true hero! And he payed a big price for his heroism. Anyone who criticized what he did is very blind. His actions that day were a big part of the miraculous outcome. The placement of the engines on that craft certainly contributed to this accident and I didn’t notice it mentioned in the investigative report.
Also the lack of a readily available checklist for this type of engine failure.
I grew up 20 minutes from Gottröra and I'm fascinated over the fact that everyone survived
. You did a great job telling the story, thanks!
Paxti and Molly should do a SkillShare in advanced napping
Swedish teens are bold. They continued sleeping while an aircraft crashed in front of their accommodation.
They need a nap now in order to have enough energy for their afternoon snooze.
they don't need a course, they both got PhDs in sleeping.
@@StretchFletcher I think he is meaning the dogs should present the course.
@@GoCoyote ñ
Living in Stockholm at the time, I remember this incident well, and was also amazed at the outcome. My father was a former DC3, Viscount and BAC 1-11 pilot (I grew up at Gatwick), and so learned to appreciate the enormous amount of training pilots go through, from the stories my dad told me. He was also ex-army pilot, trained by the RAF, and subsequently flew with many former RAF pilots.
By the way, the cockpit and a couple of passager seats from this MD80 are preserved at Arlanda Flygsamlingar (a small but fascinating air nuseum close to Arlanda Airport). It is a part of a small exhibition commemorating the Gottröra Miracle.
The pilot who was riding along and volunteered to help is such an absolute hero.. wow! There are leaders and then there are LEADERS… that man clearly is in the latter category. He should get a medal or something.
1. Any "landing" from which you walk away is a "good" landing.
2. As an engineer (electronic >45 yrs) it always astounds me how little credence other engineers (all types) give to the two very old engineering adages:
* Murphy's law: if it can go wrong ... It WILL!
* Sod's law: WHEN it goes wrong all hell will break loose and many otherwise unrelated failures will stack up to cause the most monumental mess!
I truly think, especially when listening to spokespeople talk about "low risk" events they don't seem to realise that a "one in a million" chance means it WILL happen and it COULD happen next week, next day, next hour! Not that you have to wait for a million whatever before it actually occurs!
2 - perfect reason to stay in "Team B.A. Baracus" and not getting on any plane, fool!
It was actually considered such a happy event / miracle, that it inspired a coffee advertisement, with a plane landing in a field (less dramatically) and the crew / passengers knocking on the door of a farm house and being offered coffee: "What do you offer unexpected guests? *insert coffee brand here*"
PS: It's a while back, but I seem to remember it was the actual airline livery in the advertisement too.
Really ?! I would love to see that advert !
That actually feels quite horrible and exploitative
@@okok72277 "That actually feels quite horrible and exploitative"
Well, it certainly would have been if it hadn't ended so well, but then again then it wouldn't have worked as an advertisement.
EDIT and PS: Because of the "miraculously" good outcome the emergency landing was very much seen in a positive light in the Scandinavian countries.
@@nt78stonewobble aye but see how traumatised the captain was after, to the extent that he never flew again
@@okok72277 "aye but see how traumatised the captain was after, to the extent that he never flew again"
Yeah, but I don't think X number of millions of people owes tens to hundreds of people to never ever talk about something that was a very public event ever again. :)
Even his dogs love his voice as much as we viewers do! 😍 thank you Mentour Pilot for easy listening with such great content!!
E X T R A O R D I N A R Y. Yes, a miracle. Sad to hear that two of the pilots were emotionally affected to never fly again. But they saved every life on board.
Captain Rasmussen retired after this incident. The other two pilots continued to fly for SAS. One funny thing was that SAS forced the pilot to appear in front of the tv cameras and describe what has happened just 30 minutes after the crash, Poor guy was in pain with bandages in TV.
..and subsequently he was criticized for failing to decrease thrust on the failing engine..
@@christianchristiansen99 No matter what the critics said, he was the guy who landed the aircraft in the manner that everybody survived, and no one can take away this honor away from him.
From the description, it sounds like he retired before he boarded this flight! The "guest" pilot made the call on gears down and flaps??? The PIC didn't even have a seat!🤣
I agree, the description states that Mr. Rasmussen is not the hero, the two Swedish pilots are the true heroes.
@@carlwilliams6977 Captain Rasmussen was busy with flying. This all happened in quite low altitude and within seconds.
Crazy that they flew with the cockpit door open at that time, but that might have been what saved everyone. All the 3 pilots are true heroes.
The other way around. Crazy (and sad) that it is now necessary to keep the cockpit door closed.
@realulli And I guess that even if it wasn't for 9/11, today it would be needed nevertheless. Too many cray-crays and too little common sense nowadays.
What a miracle, and the pilot who assisted was just where he was meant to be, so he could help. Incredible, and so happy no one was killed!!! Love how you explain everything. And your pups are adorable, love the white ones foot moving when dreaming :-)
I adore your two little co-pilots . . . they make GREAT company don't they? Does one sit in the right seat and the other the flight engineer ? LOVE your videos !!!
Our summer house when i was younger was near there and you could really see where the crash happened for years. (Trees and field)
Watching this channel has actually taken away some of my fear of flying, I have a better understanding of how airplanes work and how 👩🏾✈️ pilots are trained to handle emergency situations! Thanks Mentour!👍🏾
And the truth shall set you Free. Good for you.
Yesss agreed
So pleased you always remember to compliment the whole crew not just your piers! It helps me to understand when you don’t compliment them maybe just maybe I should take that on board. As a flyer I am pleased you do nearly always make the compliment!
Great retelling, think your dog’s may have heard once too often!
Bob
England
I think it's very interesting to learn about this accident because my dad was one of the first responders.
He was in the Swedish military at the time and they were in the air with a helicopter close to the accident when it occurred
thats incredible! Can you share any interesting details that your father observed that day?
@@leoray1234 I'll have to ask him about that, I don't know a lot of the specifics. What I do know is that they didn't actually have clearance to fly over Stockholm but they decided to "get permission later" so they could get there faster lol
Your dad is GAY?
Swedish teens are bold. They continued sleeping while an aircraft crashed in front of their accommodation.
If you know anything about teens, they can sleep through just about anything, including air raid/tornado sirens, a crashing aircraft, and their parents reminding them they need to get up for school. I know this because I'm a parent.
@@jackielinde7568 I still can and I'm in my 20s. I grew up near a quarry that had sirens going off all the time plus the house would shake with explosions. The only time I was in a real earthquake I was totally relaxed as it took me a long while to understand why the people around me were panicking (it was a weak Earthquake to be clear) I was being very slow that day. Oh yeah, ground shaking? Totally normal!
It wouldn’t surprise me to learn that the crash wasn’t even especially loud. The engines were dead and the plane made a relatively smooth crash landing in a field, so apart from some scraping and the fuselage breaking, there wouldn’t be much to make loud noise.
@@mlenstra How about full-grown trees snapping off?
@@mlenstra Also, the snow dampens both the shock and any noise, also the MD-81 didn't explode like everything does in Hollywood movies.
I see that your First Officer and Flight engineer know how to fly a DC-Couch. :-D
The fact everyone survived is amazing. The Captain and crew did a fantastic job.
I'm absolutely shocked. I saw, "miracle, " in the title and wasn't prepared when you said the plane broke into 3 parts. My heart dropped and tears started, then you said all survived. Absolute miracle. Taking all the information in, the crew handled this so beautifully. Ego and pride didn't exist here. To make it even better, the industry, (and everyone), were able to learn without loss of life. So perfect. I shave read in the comments that these men have struggled with ptsd. I hate that, but they are alive. ❤
It's quite interesting that a several of these close-call ‘miracle’ saves are made possible by the addition of another pilot on board as a passenger who realized something is wrong and comes to the aid of the crew.
They are God's Angel...
It's quite uncanny, isnt it?
@@almavazquez6397 Blegh, don't bring god in to this.
@Dizney, I think you have a point. They are called "miracles" because they survive in circumstances where on average most wouldn't. Doesn't it make sense that those who don't survive don't have the necessary resources, while those who are lucky enough to have extra resources (like a third experienced person) can make it?
@@levanataylor790 Tbf they were incredibly lucky
UNBELIEVABLE everyone survived with breaking up in 3 pieces. A true miracle. Thank God a pilot was a passenger. Great explanation.
This guy pronounces the Swedish names perfectly, he must be Swedish!
I noticed the same ^_^ Really pleasant swedish pronounciation. Also, the casual mention that some of the sources are in swedish :P
He is.
These pilots were wonderfully skilled. It truly was a miracle. I know nothing about flying, but I have learned a lot through these videos. Pilots always look so unapproachable when I see them, and they have always intimidated me. I’m an ocean person, and flying has never interested me. Keep the videos coming!
Non documented nor trained automatic flight system overriding the pilot and making things worse... Where have we heard that before?? 🤔
Unfortunately quite a few times before MCAS
@@calinolteanu8079 early Airbuses used to do it all the time.
There should only be 2 modes, either the plane is flying itself, or the pilots are flying the plane. When the plane is flying itself, the only thing pilots should do is tell it where to fly to, monitor it to make sure it's doing the right thing and take over if necessary. When the pilots are flying, the plane should only notify pilots of potential issues, e.g. stick-shaker, altitude warning etc., but never take any action.
@@murphsmodels8853 Which ones? The only one I know of is the Air France Flight 296 which is highly controversial.
@@djinn666 Not knowing anything about airplanes, I nevertheless think that that kind of "the computer does absolutely nothing but notify" might be unfeasible in a modern passenger plane. I doubt that two people are enough to react to every little thing that needs adjustment at any given time. If there are 10 things that need immediate adjusting in order to eg. keep a level flight, I don't think two people can do that fast enough, especially when one of them is concentrating on piloting the plane and the other is probably reading a checklist.
“First the right engine failed and then the left one. This is not good.” Well, I’d bloody say so! 😳 😉
Love these informative, factual and calm videos. Also love your doggies.
Thank you! Glad you found them interesting
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@@MentourPilot nice
High regards to the 2+1 crew in the cabin and definitely the cabin crew who all saved all the precious souls on board. And yes I really want to say one more thing that the way you explain each and every thing by breaking it up for all to understand who are ameture in aviation so a big thank you shoutout to you too for doing such incredible job that you have been doing over the years 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
You presented this story much better than Mayday disaster air crash investigation. It looks like the 'not informing pilots about the ATR system' is similar to the MCAS situation here in America. In both cases Pilots were not told about the system on their planes. An error occurs, and the flight becomes a rollat coaster ride. At least in this incident the excellent pilots and crew managed to save everyone on board.
Interesting analogy, but there is a slight difference:
The MCAS-system was not reported by the manufacturer and therefore neither the pilots nor anybode else could know about it being there,
the ATR-system that played a role in this accident here was just not taught by this specific airline-company but the information was at least out there in the books.
The reason I like to poiht this out is that my impression on the MCAS-issue is that Boeing intentionally embezzled (not communicated) its existence because they needed it to pass the certification they would otherwise not have managed in a way that pilots didn't need a complete new training.
So they obstructed its existence in a way, if they not even deceived the certificators as well as their customers.
Am I right?
@@pabloescobanjo2037 Delta paid their company doctor to fake a pilot's diagnosis so they could fire her. UAL is allowed to kill their cabin crew inflight under US law as long as the risk management company pulls the trigger. US companies consider employees a cost to be reduced even if it kills them. Pneumothoraxes are real for men over 35. UAL will use therm to kill you.
@@pabloescobanjo2037 not entirely right.
The MCAS system was no secret, it was just not a part of the training for NG pilots to go to the MAX series.
The idea behind the MCAS system, was to make the MAX have similar handling characteristics to the NG and thus require less training for these existing NG pilots to transfer to the MAX.
@@pabloescobanjo2037 Many years since I read the report but one detail that was missing here was that sas did not have the switch to disable atr.
He's Swedish, you can easily tell how glad he is telling this story, proud of his countrymates (though the Captain was Danish), so the way he deals with this story is way more passionate than any American would be.
love the twin dogs each side
They are the cutest things!
Mentour, does anyone you well have any of the puppies? If so, how are they doing? I bet they are cute.
I mean, duh! Twin engined, twin dogged. Otherwise the balance of the Universe would be thrown off! :)
Rasmussen got everybody down ALIVE! That’s a hero. I hope he knows that
I have seen many documentaries about this. The captain flew a lot os hours in air-force as well in commercial planes.He had a passion for flying .To let that go because he don’t trust his aircraft was I think the hardest decision ever for him.He did the best he could in that situation , saved everyone on board.For me he is a hero,no doubt .
I'd say all the crew were heroes doing everything they could to get everyone down on the ground and alive.
he knows
@@rick15666 🙏❤️
I’ve been binging your videos and honestly the descriptions and comprehension you have as a working pilot make me want to become a pilot. Brilliant work mate
I have a rather high degree of fear and uncomfort when flying even though I do quite a lot of airplane traveling in my job.
A few tears ago I was on a flight Lisabon (I think) - Arlanda and when we approached landing I started to get really nervous, as always. But I also noticed that the guy in the neighbouring seat seemed very nervous. So I asked him "You also don't like landings hu?" "No I don't" he said and continued "have you heard about Gottröra?"
When he told me that he was on that plane when it crashed (as a kid, I think he said he was 12 years old or something) I almost felt stupid that I did not have a "valid" reason or explanation for my fear of flying.
This crash was significant in so many ways. Lots of lessons learned and applied. But as time has shown, the same types of issues can re emerge over time as aircraft and systems evolve. But the number one rule still applies! Aviate (Fly the airplane) first! 2) Navigate (locate and decide where to go.) and communicate (We are crashing now.)
Exactly Rambler. Capt Rasmussen did an outstanding job.
@@jcheck6, But the whole point was that it WASN’T just the captain by any means.
@@lisaschuster9187 It was a crew effort BUT the captain is the one that picked out the landing spot and touch down is such a way so as no one was killed.
Absolutely !
Its a shame you dont talk more about the pilot, i forget his name, but this incident shattered the man, he never flew again, moved out to the country and isolated himself from everyone. In his own words the crash wasnt the problem, the plain lied to me, it told us one thing and did another, it confused me, it left me tied up in nots. I lost my faith in the instruments, and after that just walking towards a cockpit door sets the heart racing.
Ex military pilot, thousands of hours, and COMBAT hours, 20 years flying career, such a shame, mans a hero, crashed or not he and his mate landed that sucker and saved lives
This story was incredible. That third pilot was an actual hero to all those people. This is the guy people should still be in awe of instead of the pilot involved in the more recent 'miracle' landing.
You can tell what kind of a man you are by the way your dogs love you and cooperate with you. I enjoy listening to you, thank you sir
Love how both his dogs are just sleeping to his soothing Swedish accent
Why do I get the feeling he's "mysteriously" going to nail all the pronunciations of names and places in this particular story? 😂😂😁
There's nothing "mysteriously" about that. He's from Sweden.
@@tommyliljehorn1108 there are something called "joking". Some get it while others comes back seven months later...
@@vfr492 Many Swedes have no sense of humor, as proved by the comment above….
@@tommyliljehorn1108 Naaahhh couldn’t be that….I’m guessing he’s done some intensive Rosetta Stone pronunciation course perhaps…..anyway the mystery continues
As a Swede myself I became quite curious about this guy's nationally after seen this video. He makes really interesting videos I think.
Holmberg was incredibly vital to the the souls on board surviving.
I also have to say, most of the times I've flown was on SAS and in my experience they are the best.
Never had a smoother landing experience than when flying with SAS
Success comes when a team sheds its ego and puts doing the right thing first!
A fun interesting fact is that the ATR system was snuck in via another system SAS had opted to install, but the switch for it wasn't hooked up.
In other words, you couldn't have disabled it even if you wanted to on that particular aircraft as SAS was sure they hadn't ordered the customer option for it.
However, one of teh sad consequences of that ATR system, it destroyed the will to fly for Rasmussen, in his own words he could no longer trust the aircraft, and it was a shame as he had loved flying since he was very young and have enjoyed a really long career.
If I understand correctly, there wasn't any accessible switch for the auto throttle ?
So in fact it was the SAS who took away his trust. He did a fantastic job nonetheless
The aircraft breakup saved them. It took all the force like a shock absorber and broke up to save everyone :)
Maybe. The fact that the engines had shut down (no naked flames around) and the tanks stayed intact probably also helped prevent a fireball.
The gear being down surely also took some stress from the impact.
Oh, and good point with being over the wing. That is the point where the mass of the fuselage and the lift of the wings meet, so it needs to be sturdy. On the other hand the wings are basically full of fuel, so with running engines maybe not the best spot.
I know you are a great pilot AND a great man …kind, thoughtful, because of how your dogs are.😁
This one actually made me somewhat emotional. Impressive pilot making his own checklist.
Starboard green and Port red navigation pillows with two first class passengers napping. 😎
I LOVE the videos where the Pilots/crew over come incredible odds yet save most if not all the passengers and crew safe on the ground!
Nice Video. Already well done, but your production quality and delivery has even improved since then.
Also took me a while to recognice the two fluff balls as what they really are :)
Who else noticed whit dog - doggy dreaming at 22 minutes 20 seconds? 😂😂😂
Yap, seen his little paw waving, also wondering who else seen it
I did. So funny!
That was just practice for the canine sign language translation Mentour will offer soon. Still needs some work.
Meeee! Also idk if you know this but you can make a time stamp that you can click and it will take you to that point in the vid! You can make it by just typing minute:second like this! 22:20