Batfleck: The Best Batman That Never Was | Video Essay
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- From his announcement through to his wider involvement in the DCEU it always felt like Batfleck was on the cusp of greatness. With Ben Affleck now officially stepping down as Batman, we look back at his time in the role.
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Tragic. The fact that he was Batman for 6 years but never got to be in a Batman film because WB wanted to rush it's DCEU is absurd.
WB was way too impatient with establishing a shared universe, with BvS shoehorning so much of the Justice League setups into the plot so much as to bloat one film. Leave it to the people following the successes started by the MCU and The Dark Knight Trilogy to try, unsuccessfully, to recreate the magic of both. They learned nothing from MCU's approach, in attempting to establish their super team.
Caterpillow-pants right, I love both MCU and DCEU, but D.C should stick to Animation.....
WB, a bunch of clowns running a circus for sure.
Caterpillow-pants we should have had a Batman film and another Superman film before doing Batman v Superman film.
I know WB just wants to make a lot of money fast. Which is why they tried to rush their shared cinematic universe. However they failed to see what actually makes one work.
Ben Affleck was so excited to be cast as Batman. According to Kevin Smith that is all he talked about back in the day. You could tell the actors were trying hard, very hard, but the story and editing was horrendous.
its so sad
When your main actors no longer want to play some of the most iconic and popular characters of all time, you know you screwed up. Seriously, Henry Cavil would rather play a polish cat man than Superman.
@@trevordavis6830 Actually, Henry Cavill really wants to carry on as Superman, otherwise he'd just have walked when contract negotiations fell apart the first time, the way I see it, he wants more creative control to stop the next Superman film being awful, which is fair, and he wants more money since he's in demand, which also seems fair.
I think Affleck would've stuck in there, too, if it weren't for his personal life. It's a crying shame, that, because I can imagine The Batman would've been really interesting. Why didn't Kevin Smith take the gig?
Crusty Pete's Day Old Meat Platter because kevin smith is a hack and has only 1 good movie? And that movie is 25 years old?
@@DayOldMeat Dunno, but I think Smith's heart attack might have some small something to do with it.
What really happened with Ben Affleck and Warner bros.
Warner bros was given the ingredients to a five star dinner but threw it in the microwave because they couldn't wait the 40 minutes to give people a meal they'd remember and appreciate.
I'm stealing your analogy.
Gordon Ramsy its RAW
SC0TTISH NUTJ0B and marvel had the ingredients for a 3 star meal, but they took that and added so many different ingredients that it would be a shame not to look at it as a 5 star meal!
Ι'm definately using that
Anonymous User 4 stars at best
It's one of those cases, "Right Actor, Wrong Script"
Josstice League was tragic
@@thenoirknight5729 Thank God we’ll be getting the Synder cut lmao.
Just like Andrew Garfield’s Spider-Man
Even though I absolutely loved TASM2
exactly the same with Garfield’s spider-man.
the marc webb spiderman movies have some good ideas hidden amidst all the not so good ones
Right actor, right script
He’s truly got the voice and look and is also just a great actor. It’s a real shame that he never got the chance to do it right. It was never his fault
Ben would've been great for an old batman role
That was a perfect feedback I heard lately
Warner Bros ruin the movies by cutting some good scenes
@@johnyreyes3567 that is what he was playing. Did you not watch Batman V Superman?
Agreed, he just keeps gettin shafted when it comes to superhero films
Someone should send this to Ben Affleck to brighten his day.
Definitely.
Or send the nanny
No, a peek at the comments would just remind him why he dropped it. The comics fandom is full of awful people ruining/discouraging actors. We got what we deserved (not all of us ofc) when Ben left, so much for all these whieners
Hello darkness my own friend...I'm come to speak with you again...
@Robert Ortiz-Wilson I'm sure he seen it while he was in Rehab for alcohol
Batfleck is coming back for the Flash movie! Like if you’re psyched!
Dam you really want him
@John Marston Who knows? Ben may get to do his Batman movie after ZSJL
@@thenoirknight5729 Yeah actually there are very less chances of his Batman solo movie coming out. Honestly, I'm hyped up for The Batman 2022 but Batfleck still deserves a solo movie, a Batman like George Clooney got one. Come on WB
@@Notaloophole47 I think that Ben's Batman movie can happen still. Its not like Ben or the rest of the cast is 10-20 years older. Its only been 3 years. I got my hope
@@thenoirknight5729 Yeah, even I still have my hopes up but the only thing that makes me worry is that there may be even lesser chances of his solo movie after Battinsons movie comes out as each Batman as had his own time to shine and this may be the only time where there's been 2 Batmans at the same time so I'm worried if they would cancel Batfleck solo movie just in order for Battinson to get his own time
A Batman standalone film with Ben Affleck could've been like a live-action Arkham movie.
So much potential, for me the only way they could portray a new batman film is similar to the Arkham games
The DCEU was so screwed. Ben affleck Batman was one of the bright spots I felt. I still think his standalone film would’ve been great
When I heard it would be him vs Deathstoke I nearly shit from my mouth in jovial Germanic Joy. They poo from the-ysee?.....Slade can outthink and out muscle Bats which would be so fun to see
Da**it! F%##! I didn’t know this! So much regret!
Ben Affleck was their RDJ but they didn't play their cards right
dragonballz naruto potentially Bad script and story did him in so we will never know
@Clash Have you gotten all that rage out yet? Because you're wrong, the DCEU has hada lot of problems, and casting isn't one of them, all of their picks have been great choices for their rolls.
This ... kinda hurts my heart. I hope Ben's OK man.
I laugh at people who think Snyder makes movies for adults, that dumb nut follows Ayn Rand's ideas in his movies and is also making a Fountainhead adaptation.
Ayn Rand is basically the philosophy of every 12 year old fortnite kid.
gaybutte literally every kid that plays fortnite
@gaybutte 12 yr old baron trump
@gaybutte every 12 year kid at some point discovers these edgy shit like Ayn Rand, the difference is some of those kids grow up and realise how stupid and childish Ayn Rand is but some kids do not grow up and become Zack Snyder fans.
I'm personally glad he doesn't have to be a part of that awful DC universe and can shine in other movies. It's so obvious in Justice League that he looks bored. Zack Snyder and Warner Bros. clearly had no idea what to do with Batman and just wanted to try and shove as many stories into a single movie, without any idea how to tell a good story. I really don't think any interpretation will top the Dark Knight. Those movies had to be good movies first and they were. They were made by a competent director who had a unique vision. These movies do not. They just want to copy Marvel and make a Justice League quicker than Marvel did.
Was the first Batman who didn’t look like a cosplayer.
Well you gotta give it to Bale's Batman though. Even though it wasn't very comic book inspired it definitely felt like a realistic version of his suit.
I felt like he was the ONLY one who looked like he got his suit off eBay
And this is all the pros of him.
@@ether2275 he was good but i just really couldnt stand his voice
The.... Second.
Until Reeves and Pattinson show us what they can do, the BvS warehouse fight scene will remain a benchmark for how Batman fights should be depicted.
YES!!! Best Batman fight scene!!!
@@echelon2k8 even in a comic book movie??
Damn right you are man!
That was already surpassed
@@Ian-hj4yt which movie or animated film? Not challenging just genuinely curious?
yup, DC had cast the right actors for batman and superman, too bad they didnt know how to use them..i feel like its all downhill from here...
Warner bros had* DC comics are innocent
@@kasadam85 They shouldn't have hired Hack Snyder.Bad mistake.
Robert Paterson is a great actor though so hopefully his version of the role redeems the character
@@ilovegreece2648 He have great director with him so his version will be great.
They did very well with joker, so hopefully DC keeps up the quality
Really liked Affleck in this role personally. I know the darker, grittier take isn't for everyone but I felt like he did well with what Snyder was willing to provide. I left the cinema after BvS wanting more Batfleck, not necessarily more Justice League stuff.
I liked the older, more beaten down element he brought to the role. Again, not for everyone but I liked it a lot.
Ben Affleck would have been great in a different Batman movie.
Sonikks
Yeah I can agree for sure.
BVS’ Willy Wonker mixed with Mickey Mouse (Lex Luther) wasn’t helping though and neither did Superman’s little dialogue and when he said something he said ‘SAVE MARTHAAAAA’. These parts really effected the movie.
I really liked the darker tone of the DCEU just because of how different it was. It would have been easy though to mix it up. Batman and justice league should be dark. The universe is likely at stake when dealing with a JL movie no need to be light hearted about it. Someone like The Flash and some Green Lantern stories should have been the happier movies for the DCEU aquaman from what I know they really could have gone either way being that he was the joke but all had his infant done killed and he couldn’t have it. Super man though should be about inspiring hope. I think Snyder was on the right path with him but having to leave de railed his plans. I like the mad scientist version of Lex just because it was so different from what’s come before though I would love to see Bryan Craston take on the super genius present elect Luthor. Just some of my thoughts on rant from. :)
Agreed but not a fan of the killing because that's a core element of batman
My only major problem with Batfleck before Justice League is that he killed a lot of people
Shame, Batfleck had so much potential
A lot of Hollywood folk would make a good Batman, however, Ben made the best Bruce Wayne
hands down.
Not really, bale give wayne. The best
Sexy Savage bale gave the best Wayne and batman
Sexy Savage dude bale was even worse than val kilmer, he was always drunk, always chasing hoes, sleeps while working and in general not a likable person. Which is totally not bruce wayne ... ben affleck’s version was much more better at least in bvs
Scary Gimmick He had to keep up the act of a playboy who flashes his money around, it’s definitely Bruce Wayne.
tyler bucks huh? No, in most of the comics bruce wayne is someone who always values people.
Hey look at him, he really is Batman and Bruce Wayne, his muscles, his whole body is like in most of the Batman comics
So true, not to mention his height, and his comic accurate, and at the same time, realistic, best looking batsuit we’ve seen so far
@@jrejoose *The Flash Ben's suit is going to be different I think.*
He busted his ass to get that body as well. Such a same
Imagine the broken down "Logan" version Batfleck could have been 6-8 years from now after the DCEU progresses through more darker arcs. My god. Chills. Please dont be gone for good Ben!
The Affleck's version of Batman we saw on those three films was the post-'Dark Knight Returns' one, so he had already been disillusioned and broken to a certain extent and thus becoming jaded and not giving as much of a damn as before, which, among others, resulted in his killing people when he has to.
I never understood why so many people did not understand what version of Batman we got on those films and why there was so much ado about him killing sometimes.
subraxas Because not everyone reads the comics. When you make a version of a popular character that deviates from what the mainstream audience knows about them you should do your best to explain why they became like that.
That would have been the time to introduce The Batman Who Laughs
@@subraxas Its irritating how good idea this movie was BUT with 2 or 3 batman movies before this. And I´m sayingTHE IDEA because the plot was stupid.
@@subraxas The vast majority of batman stories have the no kill caveat to the point were it is a core part of his character's central theme. Look at "Death in the family" or "knightfall", I mean, at the end of the dark knight he calls guns the weapons of cowards to his group of bat gang members lol.
With all that being said a batman who kills story is possible but I think it was a mistake to start the DCEU off with that version and I think it was partially why people had such a negative reaction to it. It's not something you can just start with, they needed to build up an ideal batman before letting him get to the point where he breaks his one and only rule.
Good god, remember 2014 and 2015? There was sooooo much excitement for the DCEU. It makes me heartbroken to remember
It really isn't that bad. Seriously.
I know what you mean.
And people losing their shit after finding out about the reference in "I am Legend".
Me too my friend. Me too.
I am convinced that DCEU can and will pick up.
Wonder Woman, Aquaman and Shazam films have been widely considered successes.
He was doing his best with some pretty bad scripts
Bad scripts ?? I don't think so.
Bad writers..
Extremely bad scripts BvS and Josstice league were absolutely trash , Snyder cut was very good tho
Just imagining a movie based on Arkham knight with Batfleck and Willem Dafoe as Joker. Joker's old, aging, dying and loosing control and grip of the criminal underworld, Batman is past his prime.
Jason is already dead and Tim Drake can just barely get through to Bruce these days. Oracle is wheel-chair bound and bitter. Gordon blames Batman for his daughters shooting, Nightwing is completely MIA.
Justice League is just a name now. The members rarely speak. Green Arrow had a huge fight and left to start a family with Black Canary. Superman is the presidents errand boy. Flash is still hopeful.
Everyone is tired, broken and Gotham is worse than it's been in years. Batfleck and Dafoe would be perfect reflections of their characters. Then we could get a Flashpoint to usher in Battison and Leto;
(he wasn't that bad, the gangster aesthetic is genius and makes sense. Each villain should be the leader of their gang(s). Penguin and his lounge/club, Two-Face and his court, Scarcrow and his addict followers etc. The tattoos and design for Leto were horrible tho.)
With Cavill as a conflicted Superman, Bryan Cranston as Lex Luthor Sr. and Jesse as the bratty Jr who wants to prove he's a mastermind to his dis-approving father.
Ah, im just imagining it. In another timeline we got this. And it was probably glorious.
Woah. You should be writing for the DCEU.
@@joshuajames6481
Aw thanks man!
I really recommend HiTop Films he makes great essays about various cape films / shows
Am i only one who think Jared Leto should be playing as Riddler instead of Joker? And Morena Baccarin would be a perfect Catwoman on a Batfleck stand-alone movie.
The problem with this is that it works like in 2010 when DC couldve started a DCEU. Unfortunately thats not the case, Snyder was given a tight objective by WB and that is pretty much doing catch up with Marvel. I give him a ton of credits for what he had done with MoS BvS and JL since everything adds up when you think about it rather than expecting a quick action flick movie where superheroes doing punches and villains trying to do their cheesy one liners. Again, this isnt to say that your ideas are bad it’s just that WB inability to either be patient or started sooner in order to compete with Marvel’s cinematic U
He even resembles Batman the most out of all Batman actors.
That's because Been is a big guy. 6'4", 220+ pounds.... Likewise, Bale is 6'0" 180lbs. Batman is written in the Comics as 6'2", 210lbs.
You forgot Keaton's eyebrows? All batcowls after 1989 are basically Keaton's face.
@@jpisback stfu with "BaLe" , "bAlE" , "BALe" and "BaLE" !!!! He is the worst batman ever
The Liberal God John X Of The Prime Beyond comic batman somewhat compromises somewhere down the middle of the 2 actors’ build.
Especially the badass bat smirk in animated series , only Affleck did it accurate in live action
People can say what they want about Ben Afflecks Batman. But that warehouse scene is still the best 'Batman kicking ass' scene I've seen so far.
Because they took ques from the game. Which I seriously didn't see coming. Everything he did in that fight was basically from the video game. Which was just amazing to watch.
agreed, thats the batman
RussRedCloud undoubtedly the best batman fight scene of all time without question.
That scene put so much faith in me for Ben Afflecks Batman. The Christopher Nolan Batman series was decent but the man had NO hands.
right if they could just man an hour long movie of batman just doing that. thatd be great
Imagine if Ben was given the chance to do a film like Robert was. That would be beautiful.
I love that scene where Bruce Wayne is running into the danger while everyone else is running away
Very Batman thing to do. =)
@@user-sp2jg9rx8r yes
The DCEU really needs to get its shit together. There is no substitute for a well written script. It's almost certainly the cheapest part of the movie-making process, and the part that no amount of CGI can fix. They need to stop cutting corners. Hire an army of writers, pay them all well, churn out a few dozen screenplays, and pick the best one. Polish the hell out of it through subsequent rewrites, and stop obsessing over superficial details. Treat the audience with respect. No, the MCU isn't successful because of its humor, or its color grade, or its tone, it's successful because their movies are competently written. They follow principles of good storytelling. They are finely tuned emotion-evoking machines driven by the engine of complex characterization. I generally prefer DC heroes to Marvel heroes, but I will always prefer a well written story to a poorly written story.
And it is not like they have to reinvent the wheel. There are so many storys or "storyblocks" that they can base their movies on. Marvel has no problem doing that.
Personally I thought the plot of MoS and BvS were great with points that were easy to follow with everything spelled out as long as you know DC and payed attention. It was well filmed and cinematically beautiful especially since every shot was like a comic panel but that my opinion
some mcu films are not well written at all. What exactly is well written to you? Super easy to follow the story?
@@TheExecutioner21 To me well written means a script that is designed, using the at this point well-established principles of story structure, to maximize emotional engagement by putting the audience into the protagonist's shoes.
A good example for me would be the difference between Green Lantern and Doctor Strange, as on the surface they have shockingly similar plots. It has been a while since I've seen both movies, so I apologize if I can't go into detail about the specifics. I'd be happy to watch them both again when I have the time to provide a more thorough beat-by-beat breakdown.
The first thing that jumps out at me is the difference between the catalyzing events in act 1. In GL, that event is Hal receiving the ring from the dying alien. In DS, the event is Strange getting into a car crash and breaking his hands. It's worth pointing out that Strange's car crash was a result of his own recklessness and hubris, whereas receiving the ring was more like the plot happening to Hal. Everything that unfolds in DS is a direct result of Strange trying to get the use of his hands back. Everything that unfolds in GL is a direct result of the plot happening to Hal. This may be unfair, but it is my best recollection of the two movies. I watched them both back to back to compare the two when Doctor Strange was in theaters, and for the life of me I can't remember what meaningful choices Hal makes and why he makes those choices, but I can vividly remember all of Strange's motivations. That's solid characterization.
It is true that many Marvel films are weaker than they aught to be. Most of the non-Avenger Thor films bored me to tears, with the sole exception of Ragnarok. Black Panther frustrated me with its plot contrivances and indestructible suits. But comparing, for example, Guardians of the Galaxy and Suicide Squad or Avengers and Justice League... it's not even close. In one the plot serves the characters, in the other the characters serve the plot.
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Batfleck sounds like an endangered bird species😂
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Best comment I read today XD LOL
And bale body is lizard and he front of masqito of ben affleck
Why did you say that name!!!!
Remember: Heath Ledger was supposed to suck (best comic book movie villain ever)
And Batfleck was supposed to suck (was in bad movies but he was the best part and gave everyone a kick ass Batman that should’ve gotten his own movie)
Let’s give Robert Pattinson a Chance
No because he doesn't suits Batman į think Pattinson wiļl suck
@@justgamer4785 Watch Batman of 1989 and tell me that actor it's fit to play Batman in your mind
Brayden Wormer it should also be remembered that TDK was superbly written which is why it’s held to such a high standard. If it was written poorly, then people might’ve treated Ledger’s Joker the same way as Batfleck
@@duckfilms5812 Eh, TDK had it's lazy moments.
Every Other Batmen Are Better Than 1997's Batman. Even 1943's Batman.
“good performance in a bad movie, and a bad performance in a bad movie.”
yup.
He was the best and only good part in BvS. They ruined him in JL
I kind of wonder if Batman would have been better in the Snyder cut than with the Whedon cut. After watching How the Russos Made Captain America Great Again, I can't help but think that Whedon contributed to that, since Joss contributed rewrites and reshoots.
No he fucking sucks in BVS
BvS was great
BvS was great. We need to see him one last time in JL #ReleaseTheSnyderCut
I actually really liked Affleck in that movie they didn't give him enough good moments in JL it really is a shame
Thank you for that segment on Snyder and afflecks troubles. At the end of the day these are just movies and there are far bigger things in life that people have to deal with. I’m loving all of your videos, keep it up! =)
I too appreciate Mr. Affleck's portrayal of the Batman.
His performance was up to mark, the direction and storytelling didn't do justice to him.
What a waste. Batfleck had the acting skills and looks to match the Kevin Conroy 90s Batman.
Nooo noooo God nooooooooooooo.............
@Clash You dumbass - Ben Affleck is an Oscar winning actor. He has all the potential.
@Clash he is excellent you're just a douchebag
Let's not get carried away here.
@@EmoPeter2000 He got 2 oscar for writing and directing, not acting, but still he is a verry good actor
I'm a C.Bale fanboy, but I recognize that Affleck was more comic book accurate in terms of physicality. Plus, the action scenes in BvS were superb!
Which has nothing to do with the actor.
4:33 That slow zoom in on Affleck's face always kills me 🤣
I totally agree with this, Affleck got so much flack when he was first cast and I admit he wasn’t my first choice, but every now and then an actor can surprise you so I save judgement, I thought he played an excellent bad ass Batman and if given the time he would have been able to flesh out his Wayne character, I’m sure he was annoyed, and burnt out with all the Batman questions fans and media badgered him with, its just too bad WB totally screwed the direction of the character and presented us with that watered down version of a love struck for Superman version of Batman. Affleck I have nothing but praise for you dude.
Ben affleck will forever always be my batman, he was an unrelenting hero especially in BvS when he was absolutely bad ass and only ever wanted the safety of the innocent. But this is just tragic absolutely horrible he never even got his own movie and we will never ever see the robin story arc that we were teased with in bvs Warner bros should’ve ashamed of themselves
All I wanted was one solo Batffleck adventure, breaks my heart knowing it will never happen.smh
@filimon gal Those two movies don't even have the same Batman.
@filimon gal That doesn't make it one story.
All because DC wanted to rush the DCEU and assumed you knew the heroes through the comics or because they were so well known that anyone would know who they were by hearing their names. They wanted to get to the big stuff quickly and wanted to skip all of the introduction stuff. Smh DC you were doing so good before all of the movies,
@@josephtpg7329 It's insane that they used Death of Superman and Dark Knight Returns in one bad movie so they can't tell those stories again for a long time.
The next film featuring Batfleck should've been the "Under the Redhood" story Arc, all the pieces where there, Robin's death, Batman's built up rage and guilt, it would've explained so much.
Sigh*... We're never getting an accurate live action Batman movie are we?😞
Update: Battinson is God. Reeves universe is gonna be lit. I still want the Snyderverse completed so I can finally move on haha.
We still have matt reeves. Take on batman bringing him back to his Detective.roots using his brains. Hope.is.not lost he will deliver the best batman movie i have faith.
@@joeltaveras5857, yeah I'm interested, regardless of the actor, but I'm not as "obsessed" as I used to be, I'm more of a "casual" fan now, there's just so much to life than being caught up on franchises and movies and such, but yeah I'll look for it when it's out.
@filimon gal, unlike everybody else, I like Robin, and don't like the idea of him being pushed aside, if you're gonna be a Bat-fan, you gotta love the whole "pie", not just one part of it. if DC has anything over Marvel it's the Sidekick characters, just look at Young Justice.
What I would do with Batfleck is this
First a batman vs deathstroke movie to establish him as a fighter who fights without killing
Then a loose adaptation of sub zero. In the first act we explore the backstory of victor fries until he falls in love with nora and she gets sick and he gets blasted into chemicals. Then flashforward some years and freeze is a criminal hell bent on saving her. And killing whoever stands in his way. Then everything happens as usual. He kidnaps barbara, bruce and dick come to hunt him etc. Now the two changes would be bruce will be too anxious and overprotective of dick. At some point he'll call him on it saying that he isn't a kid robin anymore and he can take care of himself. At that point bruce lashes out " I just.." "what?" "I just don't want to lose another son Dick!" putting jason todd directly into perspective. The movie ends freeze gets his redemption and happy ending. And the 3rd movie would be in two times one in the past when joker killed robin and one in the present when Bats following clues realizes that this joker is actually robin who didn't die but has gone mad by the original joker( mixing red hood and the death of joker from DCAU together) . In the end batman manages to save robin from his madness and bring him back redeeming himself and ending his trilogy.
Tv Maniac I think all three of these storylines are written by a 17 year old teenage comic writer.
Ben Affleck never even got the chance to prove himself, and yet, in many ways, he did prove himself.
They should have giving us MOS 2+3 (MOS Triology) before they released BVS. We got robbed
I thought Ben Affleck had great potential as Batman
It's just a shame that potential was never fully realised.
THANK YOU. I don't think that Ben Affleck was a great Batman(like people keep claiming for some strange reason). I believe that he had great POTENTIAL to BE one, but Snyder's direction pretty much decimated him.
Yes, but the issues should have been fixed after the first movie he was in. The problem was in the poor writing. A poor script is a curse on all the actors involved.
he did
The Best Batman That Never Was. I love it!
I mean if Snyder cut is successful and isn't just a one off hopefully we can see more of affleck and Robert's batman is a dc dark movie.
I truly hope that Ben Affleck gets another chance playing an older Batman. You know how cool it would be if he portrayed a solo movie/trilogy as a silver fox Bruce Wayne. He'd be perfect for that role in 5-10 years I think!
I really think you did a great job on this video. I always wanted Ben's Batman to succeed but to see how bad it failed hurts... Thank you for doing this video. It deserves way more attention.
thank you :)
It could be saved with a "Batman of the Future" Oldman Wayne movie. There doesn't even need to be a "why" all went to shit in the future, because everyone will just point to BvS and give the film meta... i mean mega appeal.
Just have him say: "once, I had my hope for a better tomorrow, but tomorrow came and went, like tears in the rain." and begrudgingly train McGuinnes.
I like the sound of you idea,but I need you to elaborate on what you mean by having him say that ,and what you meant the future.
The picture is still blurry pls add details is what Im saying.
@@goldenwolf7154 Batman of the Future is the European name of Batman Beyond, so basically that.
I wanted to see him as batman in a solo movie
I love how instead of trying to inspire people or work with cops he just goes straight up vigilante and makes people truly fear him
why does the thumbnail look like he just got snapped by daddy Thanos?
Alfred, I don't feel so good.
He got snapped by Wb for sure
I thought your analysis of it was excellent. You weren't harsh but honest with how it was all handled and executed.
thank you thats what i was hoping for :)
MarriedMan I think it was harsh. The film was great and it seems this guy doesn’t understand what comics were used to bring the film together. The lex Luther used was just like in the comic. The Batman was just like in the comic. (Zack toned down the shot in between the eyes)
I liked affleck's batman, he really looks like a batman too. Unfortunately the movies, the story and editing were terrible.
bale’s bruce wayne & detective side of batman + affleck’s darker batman & combat would = the perfect bruce wayne/batman imo. hopefully pattinson does a mix of the two or something of that nature.
Pattinson has acted as Bruce Wayne in some of his movies before plus he has the brooding looks
It wasn't the Batman WB needed, it was the Batman WB deserved.
Mauricio Martell i think it’s the other way around. They didn’t deserve an actor that wanted it so badly and was so potentially amazing in the role... but they needed him. They wasted him though.
@@2yoyoyo1Unplugged I agree with you 100%
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This batman instantly reminded me of not only Dark knight Returns,but even the animated Series
Snyder Cut did Batfleck huge justice tho, I really hope Ben reconsiders, because he is one of the best Bats ever imho
I had a similar feeling when i saw BvS in the cinema. Really Bad Movie despite ben beeing a really good Batman in the few good written scenes.
Hmm the metropolis invasion was cool from Bruce’s prospective
The theatrical version of the warehouse fight was better cause the blood in the extended cut is stupid
Knightmare scene is cool (but pointless)
Bruce Wayne looks cool in all movies
I laugh at people who think Snyder makes movies for adults, that dumb nut follows Ayn Rand's ideas in his movies and is also making a Fountainhead adaptation.
Ayn Rand is basically the philosophy of every 12 year old fortnite kid.
Just keep the Bat suit and his gadgets from BvS. I don’t care about the rest..
what was so bad about it
@@TheExecutioner21 Nothing was so bad about it. Bad movies that don't satisfy a *lot* of people don't make over 900 million dollars from theater audiences.
Dude... You're amazing. It's honestly UN BE LIEVABLE that you don't get more attention on TH-cam for what you are doing.
I don't know if you are making those masterpieces alone or as two people or whatever. A whole company couldn't do such great videos and uppload them at this frequency.
In every single of your videos I can see that you don't just love the movie or series itself but the craft of filmmaking and such as well. You look really deep into the movies and in a very smart way display oppinions which I enjoy listening to but haven't heard or thought about myself.
Love your channel.
wow thank you very much. this is very encouraging to hear, and chris and I hope we can continue to make great content for you :)
That's because, generally, content with thought behind it is dubbed "nerdy" and "boring" by the low attention span mainstream and pushed aside.
On the bright side, the obscurity of the content makes the fanbase less toxic.
I come with a message from the future.... Batfleck lives!!!!
time travel?... no... inversion
Feel bad for affleck. He never get the chance..
Everything about this. I can’t agree more with this video. I always thought Affleck had potential, it was a shame to see him go.
I really like how deep your videos are. You put thought and emotion into your videos. Thanks you. That is all I will say.
Thank you Rob :)
Ben's only problem in Justice League is we didn't get to see enough of him.
Want to know what I think about the Return of Batfleck? th-cam.com/video/5Knc_Mh-Fv8/w-d-xo.html
Filmjoy did a deepdive episode on the director's cut of green lantern and found it to be rather enjoyable, with more character moments and setup for moments that were seemingly random in the theatrical cut.
Also it spawned a cool cartoon that bruce timm worked on.
Green Lantern always seemed to me to be three movies crammed into one. The first movie should have been about Hal getting the ring, learning his powers, defeating Hector Hammond. And it should have ended with Tomar Re or Sinestro (pretty much any Green Lantern would do) showing up to whisk Hal off to Oa. So movie two has Hal training on Oa, being cosmic space cop, and finding out about Parallax, ending with him discovering that Parallax is on or on its way to Earth. Movie three would be the fight against Parallax and Sinestro, who has been drifting into villainy since movie two. Stuffing all of that (except Sinestro) into one movie shortchanges everything. Everything is rushed and underdeveloped. And it comes across as a disjointed mess.
Good bye Ben Batfleck.
And hello Robert Battinson
R.I.P Robert Pattinson career....
@@dm.b7560 give him a chance. Hes actually a good actor. Dont just look at Twilight. Hes been in allot of other movies since then. And hes also surrounded by good directors and writers
@@helmetguy6495 you did not get what i meant, Robert Pattinson is provably one of the best actors of the last 10 years of cinema, as he has proven in all his last movies, and joining the SUPERHEROES new trend is gonna give him a lot of cash, but it will ruin his career....MCD/DC movies are not good movies.... in a dramatic, script writing, artistic perspective, they are just entertainment.... and all these good actors like Phoenix etc.... are just in the need of money, which 100% respect, but time to time.... maybe he'll get not too stained like Christian Bale did, as has done a lot good movies after Batman... but... is a risk....
Hey douchebag how about you be open minded and give him a chance
@@dm.b7560 As a fan, I agree
Batfleck is coming back in The Flash!
Honestly my favourite Batman portrayal yet was in BvS. I think it was just awesome in every way. Such a shame the movies were so bad, there was so much potential (Written at 2020, this opinion may change after seeing Patterson’s)
"Yup. Something's definitely bleeding."
Yup, that's Batman alright...the comedic relief *facepalm*
@@DoomRulz For a very long time, he was in the comics.
< MARTHAAA !
@@DoomRulz I know, right. Ugh. Justice League cartoon Batman was literally the comic relief...because he was so serious. I remember the scene where his Batwing got damaged so he bailed out. Here's the link to the scene. Classic serious Batman being funny without having to crack jokes. th-cam.com/video/Unl8l8VdONw/w-d-xo.html
That Sadflek bit at around the 4th minute was just brilliant. 👍
I honestly still wanna see Ben Affleck in a Dark Knight Returns style adaptation of an older Bruce. They could recast the Joker or maybe bring Joaquin or someone in as an older version of their respective character. I'm a big fan of that comic and would love to see it happen.
Not so fast. He's BACK, in The Flash!!!
It baffles me how some folk actually thought having Affleck's Batman and Leto's Joker face off would work. I never bought for a second that his Joker would be one of the few villains with the potential to bring Batman to his knees psychologically and make a whole city fear him. Leto never sold any of that.
I think it was the wrong film for them to attempt to introduce both Batman and Leto's Joker character. They already had an ensemble cast to introduce, and Harley Quinn and Deadshot were supposed to be the key duo. Putting two more characters into the film with cameos just to show them off seemed irrelevant, and the way it was done was half-hearted. That confrontation would have worked far better in a stand-alone film of its own. I happened to enjoy Leto's portrayal of his Joker (while agreeing with your assessment of his sense of threat), partly because I imagined it as not being the same character we see Heath Ledger play (as a few hints suggest in the movie) - but they never seemed to explore that idea. They could have explored this as a plot theme in a full film, with Batman being antagonised by a villain claiming to be his old arch-nemesis but clearly not, and investigating to discover who it really is under the face paint. In 'SS', Batman never seems to even consider, "Wait: who the hell is this guy? Could he be...?" Maybe it still wouldn't have been a great movie, but it would have been a coherent one, leaving Suicide Squad to do its own thing.
@@MinesAGuinness Gonna be honest, I'm not really sure what you're saying. Are you saying that Leto's Joker is implied to have some kind of connection to Ledger's? And that if Affleck's Batman investigated Leto's Joker he would actually be aware of Ledger's character? Cos I won't lie, that seems unbelievably obvious not true that I feel kinda silly even pointing it out, with Affleck's version being a total reboot of Batman with nothing to do with TDK trilogy.
@@R1ch4d8 Oh no, I meant quite the opposite - that Leto's Joker is not Heath Ledger's character at all - as in not 'The Joker'. Obviously, as you point out, I am aware that Heath Ledger appeared in a separate franchise and that this is a reboot. I only mentioned his name simply as the previous actor to play the Joker on screen, not to claim that exact character might exist as a former nemesis of Batfleck. In fact, he and Alfred make a quip about wind-up penguins that pay homage more to the Tim Burton era than the Dark Knight trilogy - no, I don't think Batfleck is Michael Keaton either! :-)
My idea (which is all it is) was a far more mundane one. Batfleck is an older version of the character, with a career spanning a decade or so of crime-fighting. It might be inferred (in this purely imaginary pitch) that he once faced a nemesis called the Joker (this universe's version). The little easter eggs they dropped into Suicide Squad seemed to point to the idea that Leto was portraying a traumatised Tim Drake, formerly Robin. So, instead of the rushed cameos in Suicide Squad, perhaps the idea for a separate film about that troubled relationship, explored more fully.
Who knows if the filmmakers truly intended to go down this route, but there they are as something to make ideas from. I was just playing with ideas, none of which were actually implied to be their true intentions, or even a good idea! Sorry for the confusion!
@@MinesAGuinness Oh right, okay, no problem. Yeah I remember those Robin theories before the movie came out, I never bought them at all cos I think most fan theories for any big franchise are all bullshit anyway. And those Robin ones seemed especially ridiculous to me, if I'm honest. It just seemed like fan wank to justify such a disappointing looking Joker, like "Don't worry, the real one's still to come." The same thing fans did with Eisenberg's Lex Luthor like "He's actually Lex Jr., his dad's the real Lex" and even Doomsday "The real, bone-bearded Doomsday could be out there!".
And I don't think any big twist or writing could've saved Leto's Joker was from I thought was just a plain bad performance, the guy could've been the most visually comic-accurate Joker ever and I still would've thought he was awful.
@@R1ch4d8 I think you are probably right about both it just being supposed to be a throw-away fan easter egg and that it wouldn't have made a great story or helped the character Leto was portraying. Much like you and most viewers, I could never see him as 'the Joker', just someone playing at being him. I could only imagine it being worthwhile if somehow a movie portrayed Leto's Joker as a facade for a real character beneath, and we see him both breakdown and take on that persona for some reason and the ultimate collapse of that as he finally regains his sanity. And it still might not have worked as a film!
Ben Affleck got unlucky with the time he was Batman and now he's out. If he was given another chance with another creative team then things could turn out differently
Batfleck literally could’ve been the best ever superhero put to film. I’m being serious when I say that he could’ve been better than Hugh Jackman as Wolverine
Oh we're seeing him again. Alhumdullilah 🔥
I really consider Ben’s Batman my favorite.
sixstringpsycho best batman and Michael Keaton the best Bruce Wayne
Kevin Conroy is the best Batman.
Change my mind.
Agree. He is also my favorite
@@rbname7318 i think Bale was by far the best batman
Same!
3:54 - 4:05 _"Oh no. Oh No! Oh God! Please No!"_
*Kool-Aid Man:* *"OH YEAAAHHHH!!!!!"*
Ben was and still remains for me the definitive onscreen BATMAN! He was perfect! It's a shame WB refused to use his script and move forward with his movie or just CGI him younger and let him continue on in The Batman.
I wonder if we can have affleck cast as batman again in the future, like what they did with j jonah in far from home.
The bloke from this video looks like what would happen if Daniel Radcliffe would go to Las Vegas.
that makes me sound so awesome thank you!
One of my favourite TH-camrs, Thanks for all the great content
It's alright Ben Affleck becoming Batman in 2021
He wasn't the hero we deserved, but he was the one we got stuck with. So we punked him. Because he faked it. Because he's not a hero.
He's a silent guardian. A watchful protector. In Dark Tights.
Affleck’s Batman just wants to be loved by his mommy again.
BSJ IN YO HOUSE That’s what every Batman wants
@siddharth bhawra MMMMMMMMARTHA
WHY DID YOU SAY THAT NAME????? TELL MEEEE!!!!!
Wouldn't you if you saw yours eat a .45 round up close and personal from some nobody thug?
@@AzguardMike it's his MOTHER's name !
Last time I was this early there was still hype for the DCEU
hope*
Taylor Lee McLaughlin LOL shut up grammar nazi I meant hype.
he was making a joke
Liliputian07 that’s not even an r/whoosh cause it had every serious indication.
What are you talking about? Dc is on a roll with Aquaman earning a shit ton of money and now Shazam being very well recived by critics and audience alike
All hail Batfleck...he is back❤️❤️
Watched Snyder Cut❤️
Now Flash!!
Of all things ,the more concerning is after a long time I saw the bond of superman and batman which was owned by Cavill and Affleck. I don't think any other actor can recreate that duo with Cavill. Cause Ben looked more grittier than Cavill cause bat is more gritty than supes. I can't even imagine Pattinson with gritty voice talking head on head like Ben did in BvS with Cavill as superman
I'm Batmaaaan!
@Kuala_Kool _Guy N-no, no I'm not. I'm Batman.
My parents are dead. I am the night!
Spider-Man
Didn’t Spider-Mans parents die as well?
@@dragonman9879 *sobs uncontrollably*
You're either the spider ling or the man bat, pick your choice.
@@tgirlycoldcrust No, I'm not. You forgot the hyphen, Spiderman is an imposter of another hero, a super that dresses in spandex. Goes by the name Spider-Man.
I'm Batman... I'm the hero Gotham deserves. Or whatever. It's all very pretentious.
Try it... just mention Martha.
Thumbnail: Alfred I don't feel so good
It's always weird seeing the Batman Joker chase scene since I was there filming it on my phone
I'm one of the rare people that didnt despise BVS simply cause of how awesome I thought Bats was.I love how everyone is on the same page about this though haha. We all wanted the Batfleck movie. That damn warehouse scene will go down in legend of what could have been.
Affleck and Andrew Garfield both deserved better than what they got
Andrew Garfield was the best Spider-man and Ben was the 2nd best Batman next to Bale. Keaton was a close 3rd.
Sam Loomis Tobey > Andrew
Jacob L - "Affleck and Andrew Garfield both deserved better than what they got."
So did we.
>Andrew Garfield
No. nononononononononononono
Idk man, lots of folks say Tom Holland is all time best Spider-Man, while Christian Bale’s Batman is still my live-action favorite, gravelly voice and all.
Oh for f*** sake you are so right!! I love your analysis! I agree! I really like Ben Affleck as Bruce/bATMAN. I think he looks the part bothways; he looks really great in the suit. I can adjust to the voice modulator device, it way better and more sensible than vocal-cord choking (LOL). Again, something of great potential drain-washed away by bad studio decisions. Not the actors fault folks! The plot, the script adjustments, clashing "creative" visions...all that stuff...robs our actors of good chances to play our heroes great and make the movies great for us. Dont hate the actor, throw your popcorn and cream-soda softdrink at the studio. Go Ben!
Jonn Ramaer thank you my man!
Atleast nolans batman had heart unlike ben afflecks batman. I prefer baleman. Maybe zack snyder is the problem but his movies had zero heart.
I remember back when he was confirmed as a Batman, I hated the idea but went to the cinema, a year later I think, to see BvS. He looked amazing as what he was. Just like The Return of the Dark Knight. He had so much emotion in every word and grunt. He deserved a solo film as Batman, I would have loved to see him bounce back from a Robin, any Robin, specially Jason Todd, not that he is the best Robin but he is the best for this old and cynical Bruce Wayne.
I feel like Jared Leto could've been a great joker too if they hadn't gone for a different look and vibe for him.
So, if it was written, acted and designed completely differently, it could've been OK? Wow
Nah, the way he approached it was already a red flag. He tried si hard to be Ledger.
@@johnrayordas if that was an impression of Ledger then it was even worse, I don't have an issue with the joker having a different look, just the tattoos, imagine him going to a tattoos it and asking for those, it's just bizarre
@@jongbong1912 Exactly. He's a good actor, it's just that what he did when he was joker was so *CRINGE*
I am very happy that I love BvS, I get one the best Batman movies of all time. I understand not everybody likes it and that's a shame. Regardless of how anyone feels about the movies up until this point I hope we continue this upward trajectory and get a DCEU that everyone can love.
I really liked BvS Extended Cut.
Batfleck had the best suit, voice, and combat. Other than that..well ya know.
And the most complete character. The detective, the strategist, the brute ninja, the damaged child, the playboy( that wasn't explored much but he could definately pull it off)
In just a single film (with BvS)- Affleck via Snyder delivered the best onscreen Batman adaptation we’ve ever had.
🤗
While that initially may not seem like a lot- bear in mind that we’ve had characters portrayed throughout multiple films by the same actor who’ve [despite best efforts] not even come close to that level.
Cheers! 🍻
#ReleaseTheSnyderCut