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Congrats! That list of Rey's absent character flaws was brutal...Well played sir. JJ Abrams faces such a massive gauntlet ahead, I'm curious if he wants to retcon RJ's disaster as "canon" fodder.
"Maybe Holdo and Snoke dated in the past?" Ugh, could you imagine them trying to go out for dinner? Holdo would have an exact place in mind, but refuse to tell Snoke a single thing about it until they got there. And when they did, Snoke would make his First Order something expensive yet without substance.
"I would like one Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich please." "Absolutely, here you go. I put olives on it, and replaced the jelly with sawdust." "Woah. Subversive masterpiece!"
"Just kidding, the sandwich is really...your hand." "And now you're a tardigrade, floating through space." "Your welcome." S u B V e R t e D edit: homophones.
JustAnotherGaian “Oh I also made you a new fur Scarf!” “Woah really thanks!” *Wears the Scarf* “Oh I made it out of your cats skin” “Woah shit that’s so Subversive”
Isaac Asimov used the term "idiot plot" for a story which "only works if every a character is an idiot." His specific example was Character X knows something and keeps it from Character Y for no reason. ...Which seems to describe Holdo.
she can't have thought there was a spy on board, because her plan assumes there is no spy. a spy means the first order knows or will know one or more of the following: the transports exist; the crew has abandoned ship on small transports; the rebels touch down on a nearby planet; the location of the hidden base. the addition of a spy, or the belief of a spy, completely defeats the plan.
jaqs smith also, she had no reason to suspect Poe himself, as he is their best pilote, as well as a commander, and the man responsible for the destruction of starkiller, and if she didn’t think he was the spy, then she would’ve simply take him aside. They could’ve had her being the traitor, that would’ve make more sense, and Poe or Leia devise the emergency plan with the shuttles.
What makes the film instantly 205% idiot plot is that once Holdo hyperspace rams the First Order, it immediately raises the question of why the hell not a single First Order ship in their entire fleet thought to just do that to the Resistance cruiser right at the start of the film. "We have to keep chasing them until they run out of fuel." "Sir, can't we just get an empty ship to hyperspace instantly right through them?" "Oh yeah." *Rebels die, film ends*
Maybe it’s because Luke is upset that HE didn’t set fire to the texts. Yoda took away the pleasure from him... This is pure comedy the more I think about it.
Don't shove this "failure is the best teacher" line down my throat and have your main character, Rey, emerge victorious in nearly every single dangerous situation. She is immune to failure. This movie says one thing and shows another.
To be fair she failed at turning Kylo, who remained a sith and her enemy so she has at east failed in that regard. She still succeeds nearly everywhere else
I think the core of the MaRey Sue problem is that she doesn't have to face the consequences of her own personal limitations because either she doesn't have any or the other characters don't recognize them as such. Luke had all sorts of character flaws that he had to overcome. Even an overpowered protagonist can be written well. Magneto is a perfect example. He's an unstoppable idealist, but his machiavellian way turns him into an anti-hero, and eventually he becomes the antagonist. He has to be stopped by his own people, i.e. he's facing the consequences of his character flaws. Rey on the other hand has no character flaws, or when she does it's instead portrayed as righteousness. And since she's so powerful on top of that without having earned it and without any explanation, we don't know why we should be invested in her. If she's already perfect in every way, both externally and internally, why bother? What's the big deal if the worst that happens to her externally is a slight wound on the arm, and the worst that happens to her internally is that she cries a little over her parents (but apparently accepts Kylo's version of the truth with no problems during her little escapade on the Supremacy).
Same with the "let the past die." Don't tell me to look to the future in a movie that is over 50% composed of references and rip-offs of movies that came out decades ago without any of the build-up or resonance that made them meaningful.
I cannot stop bitterly laughing at Mark Hammil’s description of how he had to pretend he was not acting as Luke Skywalker but as a different guy, maybe Jake Skywalker. Holy shit.
@@themug406 Nah, he would have been perfectly happy (as would most of the audience, atleast the none-toxic parts) if they killed him off whilst respecting his character and giving his death meaning. He brought joy to a whole generation and was then dragged through shit with the same character decades later. Anyone would be pissed.
You missed a plot hole with the “parents reveal scene” in my opinion. Rian Johnson has said that he decided to make Rey’s parents “nobody” because he believed it was the hardest thing for her to hear, which is wrong. JJ Abrams already told Rey the hardest thing for her to hear. It was established in The Force Awakens that Rey had been on Jakku for most of her life waiting for her parents. - “I know all about waiting... for my parents” she tells BB8 - Then Maz Kanata gets Rey to admit to herself that whoever she’s been waiting for are not coming back. An emotional moment that puts her in tears. So Rey already knows they’re not coming back, but now she’s upset that the people who are not coming back are “nobody”? That doesn’t make sense. And why when pressed by Kylo would she refer to her parents as “nobody”? It was never indicated in these movies that she hoped for her parents to be significant people in the galaxy. *FANS* were hoping that Rey’s parents would explain her abilities, but Rey was just looking for family. I think this is proof that Rian Johnson (maybe unwittingly) was writing to subvert fan expectations and not for character development. He basically reshoots the Maz Kanata scene but inserts Kylo and acts like Rey was expecting her parents to be prominent people. That scene bothered me because it made Rey less interesting, and also because it didn’t make sense that she would be upset that the people who deserted her were “nobody”.
InDaZone The entire movie was constantly bouncing against the 4th wall. Nobody talks like a person. I missed that little detail, that's a good observation. A scene that read similarly to me was Finn's "Rebel Scum" line. He said it as if he was making a direct reference to Star Wars. Like he saw the movies?
I am a little drunk right now but I read your comment and it made a huge amount of sense, holy shit, I regret not putting that in my video, It is a pattern I have missed. The dialogue is explained better when framed as a response to fans rather than from the characters own perception. < hopefully that makes sense.
The Curl Exactly. That’s why so many scenes felt like a middle finger to fans. Whether Johnson can admit it to himself or not, he was writing with fan theories in his mind. It’s like his explanation for Luke tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder. He claims that was the most “honest reaction” he could think of. How is that an honest reaction? Luke has been alone on the island for who knows how long and a human shows up holding a family heirloom. Instead of asking, where did you get that? who are you? how did you find me? Who sent you? He just throws it over his shoulder and stomps off in a cartoonish way. There’s nothing honest about the reaction. It’s simply to subvert fan expectations.
InDaZone Oh no. Everything RJ did in the movie and how he has responded to people being none to pleased with the outcome says he was very intently going against fans. If he wasn’t, he would not have mocked Kylo for losing to a girl. Women being highly competent in this movie especially and rather ok throughout the rest of the Star Wars Universe. Among other things.
@@Arko777777 JJ is basically telling us that Rian Johnson's "Hyperspace Hulk Smash" maneuver was a terrible idea (which it was). It's a terrible explanation that's also meant to tell us why they can't use it again in "Rise of Skywalker."
@@proxlite8728 and they did it with intention. These twerpy little twits got to humiliate and abuse the greatest hero in movie history...and they hadn't even earned the right to make him a sandwich
Remember when the funny little green guy going thru Luke's stuff at the Xwing turned out to be Yoda? Remember how the look on Luke's face when he figured it out as Yodas demeanor changed and the Jedi master revealed? THAT'S proper subversion, Rian.
"Subverting expectations" means you haven't an original thought in your head, don't understand foreshadowing, and want to make sure that everyone knows you're an artist. This way, when you write a story that doesn't hang together. Giving these people creative control over a franchise created by their betters is like giving me Lebron James's basketball on the assumption that I'll be able to dunk.
Another thing Mauler that I felt you hadn't mentioned is how the Jedi and Sith are effectively flipped on their head now. Rey being a Jedi, despite being highly emotional and fighting with hate, gains a lot of power with next to no training and that they just need to follow their heart. Kylo has shitloads of training, and has difficulties giving up his emotional ties, and loses immediately to Rey on their first encounter. It's like a role reversal, being a Sith now requires everything that a Jedi needed in the prequels (giving up attachments, emotions, requiring great amounts of training) and now being a Jedi requires you to follow your heart, fight with hate, and that training is unnecessary (Yoda even says so). What the hell happened?
That's a good point. Actually I'm glad you brought it up because I remember reading somewhere that someone mentioned that Rey is more impulsive than Kylo Ren which is more characteristic of the Dark Side. I totally agree with you. This movie is just appalling once everything is broken down. I didn't think about half of the things he talked about but it's horrifying to have someone point them out.
Heck, Kylo even feels "the pull to the light". Since when does the light side tempt anyone ? Even that is flipped off which funnily enough fits perfectly into this.
Jackson Smith Ok, this is just an example. In the EU, Obi Wan as a padawan meets Jexter Dexter for the first time and during their conversation a small child and his sister are being harassed by the security force of the planet. (Planet was corrupt, and blasters were banned unless you were in the military/police force of this planet.) Obi wan intervens, and when the guards point their rifles at him, he cuts through them. People see his blue blade, and start cheering because they thought the Jedi had come to help them. Immediately, the guards step down. Later, Jexter asks Obi wan if he knew the true power of the lightsaber. He responds "The ability to cut through almost everything." Dexter laughs and says "that's what I used to think, But then one day, I saw a young Jedi named Obi Wan Kenobi activate his saber on Ord Sigatt, and that's when I learned it's true power. Cutting through things is merely a lightsaber's technical function, but it's real power is in the eye of the beholder. The sight of a lightsaber can inspire great fear, but it also inspire great hope. It all depends on whether one regards the Jedi as friend or foe. With one quick sweep of a lightsaber, you gave hope to everyone who saw your blade. Except for the bad guys that is. Your lightsaber brought them to their knees and without spilling a drop of blood." So if a child sees that, and is inspired to help people in their time of need just as a Jedi did, I could see that as a pull to the light.
+Jackson Smith The sad thing is Kylo feeling a "pull" to the Light Side could have been an actually interesting subversion. It's always been the Dark Side that's seductive to Force sensitives, so I was on board with seeing a Force user feeling a natural inclination to the Light Side, but really wanting to go with the Dark Side instead. It could raise so many interesting plot and character questions about why Ren would have such seemingly flipped priorities. But wasting potentially good plots and characters is the only thing the sequel trilogy is good at.
Yup.. At least george did the prequels and they are real star wars movies.. I don't mind even if it's boring at times.. It doesn't destroy the complete story..
@@travelerluke5748 I have more respect for the prequels after seeing the last jedi. If the leaks are true I think a cool ending would be if Rey became the empress I just don't think she is signed on after this movie.
For me, the evil of the Last Jedi is this: Rian Johnson decided to sit down, and take the communal story of Star Wars, that we have shared as a society for 30 years, and instead of growing it, tore it down to tell a story completely unrelated to the world. He's selfish, and he's smug about it.
Actually I think the more accurate term to describe him is AMERICAN. Think of all the characteristics he has displayed and what nationality comes to mind? A selfish, individualistic arrogance with no thought of others...
@@bigduke2140 Weirdly prejudice to think of an entire nationality as "selfish, individualistic and arrogant". I wonder where you're from and how you'd feel to have your nationality ridiculed in this way - probably not so great. Ignorance comes from everywhere I suppose.
@@bigduke2140 Wow. You're being quite awful and arrogant with that BS. I wouldn't say it's an American attitude. I'd say it's a leftist attitude. He knew he was right, he didn't care about whether or not what he was doing would hurt others, and pats himself on the back and thinks he did good while the world burns around him. See: All the examples of the various forms of leftism and tyranny that have killed millions and ruined economies, like Socialism, Communism, and Corporatism. EDIT: It's also Canada that has the MAID service that's the Canadian "health care" system literally killing more and more citizens instead of helping them.
yeah, so safe characters can survive IN A VACUUM! for fuck sake we've seen that space isn't safe, one of the episodes of the clone wars saw clones being swept into space AND DYING
My problem with the lighting was that "if you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you could ever imagine" was a very profound phrase that was systematically ruined by this. Originally the phrase meant something deeper, that it was not literal power, but a oneness and spirituality. In defeat he would ascend to a higher state that you will never reach. It made you question power itself, the squabbles over meaningless things in our life. All tieing together into the force and how luke learns to let go and trusts his feelings. But no. That ACTUALLY just means you can summon tier 9 lighting strikes, because you took the light path which ends in strong end game abilities, even though the early game is weak. This honestly bothers me.
elronman I mean while I agree to a degree and I’m also not defending this movie at all, in the legends they did play around with force ghosts and the spirits of Mortis in the clone wars to be able to interact with physical things to a degree. Force storms were a power used by dark side users at times so I think if it had been done correctly, it could go the way you explained it and also open them up to new abilities however they just choose not to use them to interfere as Jedi. I mean Vader and other people fought with spirits from holocrons and tombs and stuff. Just my thoughts
@@spencer8388 Well, the spirits of Magna Ragnos and co not only needed to possess bodies or at least suck power out of them (thus not being able to interact with the world on their own) but were also fairly limited in their power. They somewhat resemble beings with bodies. They can't appear wherever they want whenever they want as force ghosts apparently can. The Yoda force ghost in this movie could just appear in front of Snoke or Kylo Ren or in the tracker room and kill them or hack into it.
Not only that but it tells vader that he could kill him, but he would never be able put him in the same hell vader went into. That vader could never truly have his revenge.
"In defeat, [Obi Won] would ascend to a higher state that [Vader] will never reach." It's an interesting interpretation but not exactly accurate, considering that the end of RotJ showed both Obi Won AND Vader as force-ghosts. Maybe Obi Won had simply been making an empty threat (though it certainly didn't FEEL like one) or maybe Vader had managed to redeem himself by killing the Emperor. Though, IMO "chucking an old man off a walkway" doesn't seem like it would be super redemptive.
@Dyl H. Interesting. In a way then, that line was essentially a continuation of their screaming-match on Mustafar. It's as if we, the audience, are only privy to pieces of an argument that these former friends have been having for decades.
"Rey, a completely blank slate, perfect in every way was waiting for her parents to completely define her origins. And now Rey, a completely blank slate, perfect in every way has no origin of interest" Wha a great way to sum up why Rey is a trash character. Thank you.
@@brightgarinson3099 I just hope they do something with her. It is too late to work on character traits and development but they could at least explain how she is so powerful and why she wants to save kylo so much (maybe she knew him before). Just wishful thinking i guess but whatever happens episode 9 will be my last star wars.
1) Rey suddenly changed her last name to Skywalker. 2) Rey's actress revealed that Rey was actually suppose to be related to Kenobi before they changed it in TLJ 3) Well... Ya know. Funny how all of these things are kinda true at the same time
And what's even more hilarious is that none of those were meant to be the original plan, but J.J. changed that because he saw that some people had figured out his sh*tty mystery box before Episode Vll even came out and went into panic mode.
Snoke's dialogue right before he dies felt like something right out of an episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. "I CANNOT BE BETRAYED" *cut to title card* Snoke Is Betrayed
I can't believe that Rey's enjoyment of the rain and the trauma of a near death by that same element wasn't used as an opportunity for character development for her and Luke. Like Mauler says, she falls into the water...maybe instead of just swimming to the surface, she's at a very clear risk of drowning because she doesn't know how to swim. Luke initially sees her falling into the water as a point of vague amusement, but it swiftly turns to obvious concern when he realizes that she can't swim and he dives in to rescue her. So right off the bat, it helps establish that Luke's cynicism is only skin deep, and maybe also helps Luke himself realize that he isn't nearly as uncaring to the ongoing plight of the galaxy as he's convinced himself. Rey, on the other hand, has a harrowing and humbling experience that parallels her experience with the Force. Her light dabbling in it before now has been largely successful, but just in the same way that the thrill of feeling rainfall and the terror of nearly drowning comes down to an experience with the same element, she maybe now gets a sense of why the Force isn't something to be treated lightly, and that delving too deep and too quickly can consume her. In that same vein, Luke realizes the importance of actually mentoring Rey and teaching her the ways of the Force because leaving her to her own devices could mean her death or fall to the dark side. But I guess she can just swim, so nevermind.
electricbayonet2 Well Rian's whole goal was to make Luke as useless and unsympathetic as possible, so of course he didn't do that. Luke could've been cut from the film and almost nothing would've changed.
I THINK the water was purely a force vision but I'm not sure. Not sure how she envisioned herself swimming conventionally, having her move through the water in a weird, unnatural way would have conveyed it better.
Well, Rey is a Mary Sue, and Mary Sues can never face legitimate danger, and they certainly never need rescuing, because they are Just That Good, so...
@@Unknown-hb3id Is THAT why Finn panicked at the beginning of TFA? Did he accidentally get on the wrong transport-ship and didn't realize until those bay doors opened and he saw Kylo catching lasers with his mind and was like, "Wait, toilets don't shoot lasers!" ...You know, this started off as a joke but it honestly would explain a lot.
@@CERTAIND00M In reality, Finn was just grossed out about having to clean up the village after the mass executions. dIrTy jObS, iT aIn'T mUcH bUt It'S hOnEsT wOrK
The worst part about Rey is the fact that in the Lego Holiday Special, where she time travels and sees various different moments in Star Wars history, she is a much more complete and developed character. She struggles with the expectation of teaching Finn about the Force and training him as a Jedi, she is terrified of him falling to the Dark Side, and she actually struggles in fighting her opponents, learning lessons along the way and facing her weaknesses. Daisy Ridley actually SHINES and emotes so much better as a fucking Lego brick.
I haven't seen it, I've also never seen episode 9. I gave up after this movie, I just couldn't do it anymore. The only other Star Wars project I watched was The Mandolorion, and we know how that turned out ... But, if the Lego special is worth my time?
Don't forget Lego Phasma...who in the Lega game adaptation of TFA is a MUCH better character who is supportive of her troops in order to garner their loyalty which makes them even more fanatical in their loyalties to the point where she is genuinely hurt when Finn betrays her. They have a boss fight where they're ARGUING their points of view with Finn trying to convince Phasma to see reason, but to his dismay she's too loyal to the First Order to believe him and he's forced to fight despite not wanting to hurt his mentor and semi-adoptive parent. Why is literally every single Lego PARODY version of the sequel trilogy's character so much better in every way than their film counterparts? It genuinely feels like the Lego parodies are the real script and the movies should be the parodies.
Why? How could anyone do this to Star Wars, knowingly or not and be okay with it? Especially if that person claimed to be a fan, even going so far as to say that Luke Skywalker was one of his heroes growing up. Okay? Maybe the word hero, doesn’t carry the same meaning for him that it does for the rest of us? There are no words . . . 😔🧐🤨🥺😠😡🤬🤬😳🥴🤢🤮🖕
What annoys me about Phasma is the actress they chose for her. Let's talk about Brienne of Tarth from Game of Thrones and how utterly badass she is for second. This is a massive woman. She towers over most of the men in the show. She's physically powerful, extraordinarily tough, has amazing sword skills (even Jamie Lannister who is consider by many to be one of the greatest swordsman who ever lived remarked on her skills) and is one of the most honorable characters in the entire show. She's an example of a strong female character done right. Yes she's big and strong and her physical prowess allows her to fight men but she's not consider attractive by anyone in a show filled with attractive women who can't fight. She's honorable but suffers horribly because of this (and remains honorable despite her suffering). She's both a woman who beats the shit out of one of the most formidable men on the show and a great character with loads of depth. Now compare Brienne to Phasma. Look at what they did with this actress. And this is being applauded as some sort of victory for the depiction of women in film. I didn't know feminists hated women. I didn't know they thought women were useless and hollow creatures who offer nothing to anyone and contribute nothing to any situation they find themselves in. In fact considering that Phasma's two defining traits are that she's a woman and her armor is unique I can only take from this that all I should care about in a woman is her genitals and her appearance. Fuck this movie and anyone who pretends it's some sort of social justice triumph. They killed Star Wars to signal virtue and they couldn't even manage to make the female characters decent.
Brienne failed every single mission EVER entrusted to her. Hell, even when her vow to kill Stannis was realized all she did was kill an already defeated man. LOL. She's the worst. Watch GOT carefully, she literally is the biggest failure EVER.
All I could think of during the scene where Phasma fought Finn was that if that actually WAS Brienne in space armor, she would have kicked Finn's fucking face in, in about 15 seconds, ending his character. Now THAT would have been a subversion.
@@cursedgaraged5801 But they are using it. They are pretentious douchebags who thought that they could do SO much better until it blew up in their faces, and now they steal from better writers and use it to awkwardly hold up their dumpster fire of a trilogy.
“Its worth it to destroy that town, make em hurt” The only one who hurt were the slaves who were likely beaten if not killed for letting them escape, and then would be forced to fix and clean up their mess. Good job rose. 👍
I do wonder how many innocent workers and civilians of the Empire were killed on the two Death Stars, fully celebrated by the rebellion and Jedi Order?
@@phoenixmistertwo8815 Workers.. ehh maybe? On the second, probably. Civilians on an active battle station? I doubt that. One could also say that those working on a planet killer arent all that innocent, however, you are right indeed! The difference is, however, the death star was a planet destroying super weapon that was going to kill billions if left untouched. In that movie, there is a heavy sacrifice that is made, and innocents die because of the war. Its not sacrificing the dignity and possibly lives of the innocent to hurt the innocent which in the end caused nothing but suffering and did *no* good.
@@phoenixmistertwo8815 The empire is an EMPIRE, which undoubtedly had its own production pipeline and manufacturing capability. Also, putting a military death base in a civilian contractor's hands is a bit iffy.
@N.T Ploeg NI agree! The whole problem with this Trilogy, even before J.J. was given Ep. 9. Was each movie was directed and written by different people (which that's what happened with the OT), but for this Trilogy instead of working with each other, making everything flow correctly, and filling the plot holes the last movie did; this Trilogy was supposed to be written by itself like it is it's own movie. And you can't do that for any Trilogy.
"Its time to let old things die." We get it, Ryan. You hate the Original Trilogy and its fans. We get it. Very clever. Too bad you couldn't channel all that sass into making a competent, functional script.
Myes. Everytime I revisit the movie through these critiques or rants, I am reminded of how, while sitting in the theatre, I felt that all these desecrations and deaths of the original characters and storylines felt purposefully mean spirited. Like a bully tearing apart a treasured possession- just to see you suffer. I'm not sure that anyone with any clout on that team really liked Star Wars at all. In fact, they HATED Star Wars, it would seem. If they were apathetic, basically they could have had the original characters just grow old and stay home. But instead they were incredibly motivated to RUIN them.. and then kill them. Chilling.
Level1Hera the would have to kill some of the characters but they really did have to make them shine first you can not have luke be the sad emo jedi hating hermit and then have him die. He should've died like luke Skywalker and not this shadow of him. And if you would ask me I would've liked it if there would've been a scene in the force awakens with the original crew.
That's what pissed me off so much about his attitude. He's made it clear, HE wanted to tell HIS story, everything else be damned. He could have done that any other time. I don't understand why he had to co-opt this movie in order to do that.
WRONG They also hate the prequels They wanted to destroy everything that SW was and remake it into this new thing by basically telling you to forget about it and care about the new cast
Yeah, it's because tradition represents patriarchy, white supremacy, heteronormawhatever the fuck and all the other nonsensical made up big bads that these raving lunatics can think of to blame all their problems on. These are the people in charge in Hollywood now and they are the reason that most movies are utter shit. Just agendas being shoved down your throat with zero substance.
The reason why they don’t show Lukes reaction to Han Solo’s death is because, not even in this atrocious fanfiction, would it make any conceivable sense for Luke to remain in hiding after finding out his best friend was murdered by his own son, his pupil.
"Phasma is the first female Star Wars villain." Barriss Offee, the Genosian queen, several members of the Confederation, the Zygerrian queen, Asaaj Ventress, the night sisters, and Aura Sing were all in the Clone Wars tv series before Phasma existed. Not to mention Zam in Attack of Clones.
@@GeneralMacek Some of the greatest bitches in the universe. Every single one of them was cleverer, meaner and more efficient than the whole First Order.
this movie was such an insult that I watch every single Last Jedi rant on TH-cam. I check every day for new ones. This is wonderful. I am enjoying every second. this is cathartic.
My favorite rant is definitely Mauler's rant. I swear I watched it 6 times it's so hilarious. And I'd rather watch that 10 more times than watch TLJ again.
'When your own headcanon is the only thing preventing the film from falling apart, you have to admit you *might* be a little brainwashed.' Ladies and gentlemen...Welcome to about 75% of TLJ apologetics.
Honestly, I've been trying to get that point across to many different fanbases for years, ever since I first watched Sword Art Online. It's an issue with fandoms in general, they brainwash themselves in order to defend their content.
They make assumpions or "likely" assumptions about the characters that do make certain aspects work better but they are not in the movie or confirmed. But they don't actually have an argument.
I love how Rose just knows that literally everyone in that casino was an arms dealer and that there is no possible way they could get in there without being war profiteers. And then proceeds to ruin everyone's day and put their lives at risk out of sheer arrogance
At least it fits her character well… if only she wasn’t written to be seen as some kind of hero instead of the laughing stock she actually was. Misguided, childish attempts at ‘saving’ people which just makes things way worse. “By saving what we love!”
"The first female villain in Star Wars". Asaji Ventress started as a throw away villain from The Clone Wars that was evil because she was bad. But ended up having a compelling story as she was betrayed and struggled to find her place in the galaxy. But yet Phasma is gunna claim to be the FIRST!?!?
Don't forget Zam Wessel from Attack of the Clones, Asajj Ventress of course and Bo Katan from TCW as a part of Deathwatch and later fighting only for Mandalore,
To be fair on this one, Luke was soundly handling her when they were just sparring with sticks. She's the one that whipped out a fucking lightsaber in this squabble. This is equivalent of engaging in fist fight over a disagreement between acquaintances and ending it by pulling out an M16.
@@RanMouri82 She IS quite the character... oh right, she was supposed to be human. I forgot she wasn't a droid that gets consistent mind wipes to keep her compliant.
She said "through her actions and her CHARACTER". I can only imagine they cut out a bunch of scenes because she doesn't have a character. Someone once said "that was a terrible waste of Gwendolene Christie" and I can only agree🙄
I really hate that statement of hers. She's a VILLAIN, wih no ambiguity to her motives or actions. We're not supposed to relate to her at all. Plus, five minutes of screen time. I got more relation out of Jak Dekster - that diner owner in Attack of the Clones.
It just occurred to me that a Finn Vs Phasma final confrontation is something that generally happens in the final movie. I mean, it was already bad enough that Snoke was killed before the third movie in the trilogy but now it's just obvious that Rian Johnson is *really* not a team player. Kathleen Kennedy should've been furious at him, despite whatever political stances he holds, because he took every step to ruin the concept of a trilogy.
I see he directed some episodes of Breaking Bad. I'm surprised he didn't try to just end the entire series each time. I bet he thought of it, though: "I could just so easily make it so that the meth lab explodes and kills both of them. Dammit, why didn't they make me the writer, too? I have such good ideas."
@@Pebkio_Nomare he directed the episode called ‘the fly’ where they spend the whole episode trying to kill a fly. It was the episode that made me stop watching the show. Found out years later it was ruin Johnson and I wasn’t even surprised haha
A commander is OBLIGATED to explain his orders so that his subordinates can understand the GOAL of said orders, that way they can execute personal initiative during battle conditions when communicating with a superior might be impossible or take too long to exploit a temporary opening. The idea, the merest thought that a commander does not need to explain orders is something only the stupidest amateurs could possibly justify. It's like someone got all they know about command from playing a Real-Time Strategy game. Sun-Tzu said something akin to "when orders are unclear, the commander is at fault. When orders are clear, but not carried out, the subordinates are at fault". Notice the first half of that statement? Jesus, if the morons running Star Wars nowadats want to get gritty and "realistic", they least they could do is actually, yanno, study real ideas. But given this movie was one big middle-finger to the fans of the original trilogy, are we surprised these half-brained fanfic authors in charge of the franchise couldn't even bother to conduct even the most basic of study?
I agree. A commander has every right to dispense or withhold information as they see fit, but if you can't even tell this plan to your first officer . . . if you inspire so little confidence in your crew that they are committing mutiny, then whatever "plan" you have doesn't matter any more. This forced story conflict wasted SO much time for no good reason.
RIGHT?! There was no reason to withhold that information. The only way that would have made sense would have been if Holdo was a mole. I mean, that's what I was thinking at first.
However, in Arab Armies, trust is nonexistent. Hence why they are dysfunctional. The Resistance is run like a Saudi Arabian army. They're supposed to be the good guys? No one seems to realize just how hyper efficient the First Order actually is. With 30 year old tech and an IOU budget, they managed to build a top rate navy, a WMD, and battalions of soldiers.
I like to think that new Star Wars movies are an elaborate movie adaptation of some Hearts of Iron 4 mods. First Order abused the broken Focus tree to shit, getting absurd boosts to production and research. And the Resistance/Rebellion is controlled by inept AI generals that spend most of their time rearranging positions of the ship rather than trying to achieve some sort of a strategic goal. But yes, a commander withholding the objectives to such an extent is a fair ground for both demotion and forced stripping of rank. At this point ineptitude is unquestionable.
That "kill the past", Simba tried to do the same with the hakunaMatata and ended up getting a life lesson from a baboon that hit him with a stick revealing the things that happen in the past influences the future.
Hm, well spotted! Yoda hits Luke in the head with the stick and with all Yoda's insane cackling he is kinda like Rafiki. Curse you Disney.... curse you. #Notmystarwars
I was always amazed how many people took Kylo Ren’s words as gospel when he told Rey her parents were nothing. I had only one thought from the moment he said this: “How in the hell would he know? He didn’t know who Rey was just days before. This is nothing but another manipulation tactic to encourage her to sever ties with anything that could keep her holding on to something good.”
And that’s exactly what I thought it was, too! A final test in his apprentice training: become a master to his own apprentice. It was almost done, too, but no. Honestly, this is the only potential redeeming factor on that line. Kylo did a white lie to convince Rey that she had nothing and nobody… except him. Clearly it got into her head, but it was so under-explored it hurt more than it gave a glimmer of hope that there was passion behind this script and this series.
@Jon Hesson It’s hard to have a twist when your story writers don’t have a plan, isn’t it? We know this trilogy was spitballed together, as inconceivable as that notion is for a trilogy of films that is also planned to be a trilogy. How do you plan a trilogy but not create a decisive through line and story arc for it? It’s so much incompetence on Kennedy’s part. As far as I’m concerned, the entire argument is a moot point when even the writers didn’t know what they were doing from one film to the next. There’s no twist without a plan because there’s no story without a plan.
They could've let Leia die there. A sudden, but dignified death. But no. They *really* wanted to include her laughing with admiral gender studies, making her one of the worse military minds along purple hair.
Did she though? I don't like the movie at all either, but Luke disarmed her, he only fell back because he was surprised by her force pulling the lightsaber and igniting it
Take that Rian! You still can't kill the Snoke theories! To actually indulge this for a second, that would be another interesting angle for this. Snoke was some Imperial remnant who rallied the First Order, dumped his Child on Jakku to rise through the ranks and used the Dark Side as a means to rise through their ranks. Maybe seeing how Kylo turned out from Snoke's grooming makes her question the value she placed on her past and family, gives her a foil to sympathize with (not forgive, but connect with and dissect) on how they bonded with the other's parent as a proper parental figure, a question of nature (their own choices) vs nurture (their teacher's influence, whether from Han, Luke, or both) And that illustrates why Rian's dismissal is so bad. Not simply for the lack of a payoff at the reveal, but it cuts out interesting avenues for character development, even if the reveal doesn't have an impact on status directly, it can motivate actions or dynamics.
@Un-broken and victorious That would be a nice reveal. BUT unfortunately Rian Johnson didn't care about any cool storyline, subverting expectations and dumb jokes is all we got...
Nobody brought Rey. Was Rey looking out for Nobody? You could say that in the next episode, they will find Nobody. Rey will be asked: -"Who are you looking for?". Then she will strike a pose, with her mouth open, and say: "Nobody". -"No one? Anyone?" She then press her teeth becoming anxious(mouth still opened): "Have you seen Nobody? I'm looking for Nobody!"
For the whole Force Ghosts being able to summon thunder and all that jazz, I refer everyone to a key line from The Empire Strikes Back: Obi-Wan: If you choose to face Vader, you will do it alone. I can not interfere. HE SAID IT RIGHT THERE IN THE FREAKING MOVIE! FORCE GHOSTS CAN NOT INTERFERE! I guess Rian forgot that.
I think that was more of a reference to splinter of the minds eye, in that book luke fights Vader in it and is possessed by the spirit of obi-wan due to the influence of the kaiburr crystal. The kaiburr crystal was able to magnify force sensitives by a thousand percent as long as they were in proximity to it in its temple and it allowed obi-wan to possess luke to aid him defeat Vader so he and Leia's can escape.
@@colinbielat8558 stop referring to the books. Those are post gov rationalizations of shit. Some of the books are decent, none of them matter one iota when discussing the movies.
Ha... imagine it. First Order boarding party fights it's way to Ackbars bridge. As soon as they arrive, he swivels in his chair... "It's a trap!" And self destructs the ship. Eyes would roll but only to hide the tears.
Hell, maybe make someone in the First Order group say that. They burst into the bridge, only to see Ackbar turn to face them...and he's holding a detonator of some sort in his hands. One of them sees it and realizes what Ackbar intends to do, starts to scream "It's a tra-" right as Ackbar triggers the detonator. Then we get a nice exterior shot of the ship exploding, and Ackbar gets a nice sendoff.
Ben Cochrane normally that would detract from the real emotion of the scene but since The Last Jedi does that many times anyway, that would somehow fit
Man, whenever Mark Hamill is talking about the changes in his character, he seems really afflicted, even breathing heavily as if he is about to have some sort of breakdown. Maybe Im exaggerating, but he seems to be suffering for real, so sad.
Actors can (don't need to, but can) become _extremely_ attached to their characters. It isn't unusual for actors who actually care about the story they are working on to spend time talking with the director and/or writers about how the character thinks, their personality, their emotions... Mark Hamil is most likely the person on Earth who _best_ understands what Luke's character was in the OT, because of this; for him, seeing Jake Skywalker most likely hurts like it does nobody else.
Listening to the phasma actor at the end of the video actually killed me She legit talked for a good minute there and said absolutely nothing other than "oh my god, its amazing that I am a female actor"
She thinks evil characters are "progressive", that the audience wants to see themselves as those evil characters or at least relate to them. The only conclusion I can reach is that the actor who played Phasma is herself evil.
My problem with Rey's parents being nobody isn't the idea itself, but that it serves no purpose. Okay, she has no lineage to any established greats. Fine. Then set up a theme about making your own destiny and how fate isn't ruled by geneology. Instead, TLJ seems to make this reveal almost solely for the meta purpose of trolling fan theories. Okay, great, Rian, you've subverted expectations, but you've also sabotaged your own movie.
I legitimately would like it the most for the next movie if it turned out Kylo was lying to demoralize Rey and make her think "joining me is all you can do with yourself." The movie handled this aspect so poorly I legitimately am begging the next one to go BACK to this overdone cliche of "hero has legendary lineage/destiny"
papershadow69 With JJ taking over the reigns on ep 9, I'm almost certain that he will retcon Rey's background in some way. The way Kylo worded it does leave the door open to a pretty easy setup that he was lying, like you say. And Rey seriously needs some kind of something to flesh out her character more at this point, or she is going to be forgotten as quickly as she was invented. Kylo was right about one thing... at that point in the story, she pretty much was a nothing. But not within the internal logic of the universe, in terms of how she was written. She desperately needs more character development. Ep 8 was her chance to get that and Rian Johnson blew it on corny, half-assed nonsense.
I agree. Here’s another idea: how about her parents are still junkers, but it turns out that she was one of the students at the Jedi temple that day and no one realized that she survived that day (Luke because of grief/cut off from the force and Kylo because of rage and leaving the planet asap). She represses these painful childhood memories yet the more she connects with the force, the closer she comes to the truth. Perhaps her parents dropped her off because they couldn’t understand her “freakish” powers that caused problems or they sell her for money, she escapes and comes across the Jedi temple where Luke takes her in. So many of the things set up in TFA would still make sense (especially her powers/skills), and she would have a significant connection to the story, yet she doesn’t have to have a famous bloodline. That would’ve been really interesting and more satisfying. The problem with TLJ isn’t that they just said her parents were “nobody”, it is that they said her parents do not even matter and no longer have any impact on the story.....given the way Rian handled it and moved right along.
@@FlyfishermanMike yes ive never been asked my weaknesses.ive been asked when can u start when are u available what was your last job etc.not Sir tell me your weaknesses kinda spooky and weird question
The fact that so many of us are willing to sit through 3 feature length videos critiquing a single movie should be evidence enough of Disney & Rian Johnson's failure. Do they understand what they've done? I'm still fuming.
They probably do and just dont fucking care. They'll continue to bastardise any franchise they can get their sticky mits on and milk it until it stops giving them money, which given the response to the Han Solo movie should be any day now for Star Wars
Unfortunately, they could also just dismiss all of this as “trolling” or just say that the fans don’t know what they’re talking about. I wish they would listen, but so far, it seems like that won’t be the case.
I love the whole who is Rey related to segment, when mauler is talking about if she was the granddaughter of palatine and what that could’ve meant for her character. Oh this aged so well and oh so horribly at the same time.
Fun fact, in the original star wars lore jumping into hyperspace was jumping into a DIFFERENT DIMENSION that was kinda like jumping into a wormhole to get to some place faster. This in itself had extensive lore from terrifying creatures to an entire civilization being trapped in said dimension. It's impossible to ram ships with hyperdrive because you're LITERALLY IN ANOTHER DIMENSION DURING IT.
12:50 - _"This is a kind of Stockholm Syndrome you deal with when people love something unconditionally."_ I love *actual* Star Wars damn near unconditionally. You know, stuff like the Expanded Universe. This movie was not that. This shit can burn.
LightningNC Except he's not referring to you. He's referring to the actual people who defend the movie. Well, I say defend, they usually just attack the fans or the other movies, but that's besides the point. In order to defend it, they have to make major leaps in logic in order to attempt to explain how the movie can possibly function, leaps they would not make for an ordinary movie. So, in that respect, it's absolutely like SS.
King Edward "Longshanks" I, Hammer of the Scots, Lord of Wales and King of England And I love all these people saying that the originals had similar flaws. As if that excuses things in the new movies when said flaws are so much worse here.
Personally I dont care about fan or critique opinions. Instead I consider the opinion of the most average movie goer and non fan: my mother. After we watched the last Jedi the only thing she said to me was : the previews looked good. I think it says everything about how really mediocre the movie was....
Rian Johnson has actually “answered” people’s questions about the scene where Holdo uses hyperspace to destroy the ships. He said that it had never been done before because it was just such a crazy idea, and that Holdo “pulled it out of her butt”. I am not kidding. He basically acknowledged that it was a ridiculous deus ex machina, and saw nothing wrong with that. Good GOD.
Schinak They didn't hyperdrive through a fucking ship in Rouge One, they came out of lightspeed and appeared in front several ships. Not even remotely the same thing.
+SolarDragon007 Keep trying. They came out right in front of the ship and HOldo would have to do the same to cause PHYSICAL damage since you don't HIT things in hyperdrive >_> The stunt is bullshit. There is no defense
BY the old logic of Star Wars, hyperspace is an alternate dimension so you wouldn't collide with ships in hyperspace., but you can now because it's a convenient Deus Ex Machina. Plus there was 25,000 years of Hyperspace technology in Star Wars, if you could use hyperspace kamikaze, someone would have already done it during all the years and all the wars.
It's kind of interesting to see how the prequels have aged remarkably well. Sure there's plenty of wooden acting, clunky dialogue and extremely cheesy parts, but what separates it from the sequels is that it was built with HEART. It had a story to tell and tried to do something different with the formula, even if it failed-sometimes enormously- in parts. The sequels are lazy, badly-crafted retreads of the OT that can't even copy it's good parts correctly and the few nuggets of interest- Snoke's history with the original power trio, Kylo Ren, Rey's mysterious heritage, Finn's life and circumstances to his conscription and development after his defection- are so thoroughly buried in a putrid slurry of shit it's difficult to see them. What an utter waste.
This movie proves Johnsons inability to write movies but he has some really significant directing issues. When Kylo kills Snoke the lightsaber flies directly into Rey’s hand and you get a shot that goes to her. So it becomes a moment of victory for the Disney princess instead of a moment to see how Kylo reacts. The moment is about Kylo, is he happy, relieved, satisfied, free? No, Johnson just completely misunderstands his own scene.
I'd disagree. Kylo directs the lightsaber into Rey's hand with the force. The shot that goes to her displays her surprise that Kylo Ren chose to help her after all. It wasn't meant to seem like a moment of victory that belonged to her, and nothing about the editing spoke to me, or anyone else I've heard talk about the scene, that it was meant to be about "her victory". I don't agree that we really needed to see Kylo Ren's reaction to his accomplishment at that very moment. We can already assume he's satisfied to accomplish his goal. There's no reason to assume he's somehow disappointed. At the moment of the scene, Kylo is completely focused on the now, which at that point, instantly becomes having to fight off Snoke's elite guards. The seriousness and focus from his facial expression, as well as the ignition of his own lightsaber, serve to communicate to Rey that now is the time to fight back together. And we see that she recognizes this, since, once noticing these gestures, she turns around immediately to fight alongside Kylo Ren back to back. The moment (after killing Snoke) was a moment of victory for Kylo, but it is clearly ABOUT him saving Rey, and her/him having to then fight together to defeat Snoke's elite guards.
He's been a shitty writer since Brick. Looper was even more obvious how inept of a screenwriter he is. So it was no fucking surprise to me that he fucked this film up.
I actually like how they cut away to Kylo Ren when Luke asks where Han is, reminding the audience of who's responsible for Han's death. However, what I don't like, is that Luke never returns to the subject of Han, or discusses how he'll miss him, etc. I've heard rumors that apparently there was a scene or two relating to this subject, but it was deleted. Quite unfortunate honestly.
Hearing the creators of the Sequel Trilogy say that Poe needs to learn to “blindly follow authority” tells me they know nothing about Star Wars because the entire story of the Prequels was about how blindly following orders from the Senate led to the fall of the Jedi.
One of the most compelling and dark arcs of the Clone Wars involved the 501st taking Planet Umbara. When Anakin is called back to Coruscant, he’s replaced by a Jedi named Pong Krell as their commanding officer. Krell clearly doesn’t like clones, and sends Rex and his men on increasingly more and more dangerous missions (even when more viable strategies present themselves.) throughout the arc, Rex and Fives go on suicide mission after suicide mission, only surviving because of their training and daring ingenuity in a hopeless situation, and while neither is happy, as captain, Rex is trying to keep his men together on the basis that Krell is a decorated commander and war hero. SPOILER ALERT from here on, but when Rex is sent forward, told that the enemy has stolen clone weapons and armor and plans to infiltrate their ranks, the 501st gets into a skirmish, only to discover that they had been killing other clones who had also been told about enemies in disguise... Krell had sent them to kill one another... As it turns out, Pong Krell foresaw the rise of Palpatine and planned to become a Jedi defector, purposely sabotaging his own men... and he admits he was RELYING on the Clones trusting him and blindly following his orders to the end... Rex’s loyalty, which is usually a virtue in other episodes, became the reason why many good clones died... The Last Jedi must have missed the memo...
When if people think something isn't right they should question authority not blindly obey it. And according to Rian the Poe and Holdo scene was supposed to be her flirting with him. No wonder the man's surname is Johnson because he clearly thinks with it.
17:03 _"Kylo's speech then moves to _*_'killing the past in order to discover what you are.'_*_ "_ Heh heh. I didn't think Disney would be so blatant about their intentions that they would actually include it as a line in a Star Wars movie. This is literally what Disney wants to do with the original trilogy and characters. Kill it off. Even though Disney owns the property, they'll never feel truly comfortable with it unless they can take it in whatever direction they want. This is also why they rejected the Expanded Universe.
@@jmurray1110While the major culprits receive no backlash. Why is everything always accused with a look cast at the States? It's like being told that America needs to be "green" while other countries are environmental Hellscapes and never get a visit from activists.
Sounds a bit like Amy's Baking Company from the American version of Kitchen Nightmares. Amy the owner was a lunatic who was convinced God wanted her to be a cook, couldn't accept her food was badly made and tasted like shit, thought people giving her restaurant bad reviews just wanted to destroy her business for a laugh, anyone who didn't like her food was accused of just not being used to eating food that didn't come from a can. And when Gordon Ramsay went there to help her she ignored all of his advice because unlike every other restaurant on the show who legitimately wanted Gordon to help them Amy and her husband Samy expected Gordon to immediately think their food was great after tasting it which in their minds would shut the people who disliked their food up. But when Ramsay saw that Amy's food was as shit as everyone else knew it was she and Samy went into "You're an idiot and you don't know what you're doing because you didn't tell us what we wanted to hear" mode.
@@Xehanort10 The first restaurant that Gordon just straight up abandoned. He couldn't save them, because they refused to be saved on every single turn. You'll be happy to hear that ABC closed down back in 2015, unfortunately it wasn't because the food was as shitty as the owners. But I doubt Amy will be helming something as big as ABC for the forseeable future. (I hope)
It's worse than that, because you had to PAY to see this movie. So this is like paying for a meal, and the meal turning out to be dog shit. It's bad enough to waste people's time with crap, but to charge them for the privilege should be criminal.
+Scizor For Hire Asaj Ventress is not part of the extended universe. She was in the Clone Wars, which was still canon when Disney bought Star Wars. I am not sure if Disney has retconed it since then, but it was still canon when Disney bought it.
What you are doing is really great....Disney killed Star Wars. You are like a priest overseeing the funeral. Putting it in a grave. Setting up a headstone. With your hard work, we can put this to rest and move on with our lives.
Here's an example of subversion of expectations that works: Indy shooting the large swordsman while he's swinging his sword about menacingly in Raiders of the Lost Ark. However, that character hasn't been built up as an important character to the story. The lack of characterization doesn't hurt in that case, unlike Snoke. He's just there for a funny gag and to show how cool and nonchalant Indy is. (And yeah, I know why they did the scene that way, with Harrison Ford being sick being the reason.)
That's what all leaders and special forces are trained to do... be individuals and endanger their fellow soldiers at the benefit of personal safety. (Absolute genius) Did the writers never see any training videos of soldiers? They're broken down to be a cog and to be a unit, at the expense of the individual. That's why they "serve", both their country and their superiors/peers. They don't even need to see any videos, just look at any patriot or veteran. Especially since they live in the U.S. where there's so many of them.
Alex The Last Jedi is literally worthy of Mystery Science Theater 3000 for all that I saw of it on Mauler's videos. It might be even more if I saw it in theaters which I am glad I didn't.
The fight with the guards did briefly remove my boredom watching this shitfest, but I couldn't shake the question why Snoke's guards cared to fight Kylo when their protectee was just cut the fuck in half.
"'Kill the past' is being looked at as 'forget the past'." I completely agree, you know what movie handled this much better in a realistic sort of way? "Ah yes, the past can hurt, but the way I see it; you can either run from it or learn from it."
Paused at the "Hux slaps Finn" part to come down here and say that every time I see Hux, all I can think is that Molly Weasley would kick his ass for behaving like this.
Ok, so, I came across your videos totally by accident from a Google search about the last jedi as I was finding it particularly funny how major journalists from the likes of Forbes were writing really long defensive stories about it daily for quite a while into the new year. When I left the cinema after my midnight screening of TLJ I was wowed by the pretty explosions but after discussing it with my friend before we parted ways I couldn't commit to saying if I'd liked it or not. There was a lot of spectacle but I couldn't shake the feeling that someone had just held my eyes open and poured a gallon of liquid shit into each one and it had gotten into my brain and my body was rebelling. After a period of quiet reflection I decided that not only was it an awful star wars movie but it was an awful movie overall. I found your videos to be an absolute joy. Your points are all valid and as you've said they're easily proved and can be presented mostly as fact. Couple this with your deadpan delivery and monotone drawl over it and I have laughed a lot during them, in fact I think this is the funniest thing I've watched in ages. I'm definitely going to watch your other content and give it a try even though I've not played dark souls so it will probably go over my head! I've also subscribed. Keep the videos coming!
Because every action in this movie ( except Snoke's trick against Rey) is stupid and doomed to utter failure. Why? Because FAILURE is the best teacher. Like every other point in this movie they were trying to beat us over the head with it.
@@JohnDoe-vw4zf Failure is a great teacher. I learn plenty more when I get something wrong than when I get it right. This movie just shy of literally beat the audience over the head with "failure is the best teacher" and " kill the past". They wouldn't know subtlety if it bit them on the collective ass.
@@daverobson3084 I've learned better under mentorship and other's previous experiences better which brings me an important question for this movie. Why are seasoned characters surprised by old challenges? This movie takes war vets and pits them against their old enemies and they act surprised by it till new characters remind them of the previous solution. Why do this? Why do they have to make competent characters act retarded.
The biggest failure of Rian... Having Luke mention a third lesson in the film Cutting the third lesson completely and putting it on the DVD extras Spending so much time on Rose mourning her sister's death Cutting Luke mourning Hans death and putting it on the DVD extras It's almost as if Rian hates Luke Skywalker 🤔
The part with the enslaved kids is so jarring in this movie. Rose talks about how she grew up in those conditions, right? The FO took over her planet and worked everyone to death to strip mine all resources. All these fat cats grew wealthy on the backs of labour, and here are these kids. That's where her thoughts should go, I'd think... During the animal abuse scene, we're treated to a glimpse of a kid about to get whipped. When they abandon the mission for a code breaker to set the animals free, we see those kids are SLEEPING in the stables with them. But, she gives them a ring, says "Hey don't rat us out" and runs off with the all the animals those kids are tasked with caring for, apparently 24/7 if they're sleeping in the stalls with them. What did she think would happen to them after...? When the guards say "Hey two people broke in and set every animal free, why didn't you push the warning button? It's beating O' clock for all of you, now!" The first place Rose and Finn go once jailbreaking on doghorseback is the beach, to the ship they came in on, still...parked illegally for some reason. So, tossing them in jail for the violation is fine, but they didn't tractorbeam tow away the ship...? But I digress. Rose and Finn moved to escape immediately. If escape was the first plan, why not take the kids with you? At the end, the slave kids are in the same place. Slave master breaks up the toys and bellows at them to go back to work...sweeping up hay and animal droppings. BACK TO TAKING CARE OF THE ANIMALS THAT ESCAPED. Besides dropping CasinoPlanet reviews for a month, nothing changed at all.
My answer to all of your questions is a simple and exact one: Rian Johnson is a unleashed moron with the critical thinking skills of an six year old femanazi. The writing in this movie is so bad, at the next Razzies Award, they should just present Rian with a handicap parking decal. Even the infamous Halle Barry Catwoman, even Tommy Wiseau’s The goddamn Room had a more coherent story than this $200 million dollar endeavor. It boggles my mind that possibly over a 1,000 people were involved in this film and no one told Reeee-an Johnson that literally every action by any character (except Poe) makes no sense. This is more than just a bad movie, this is quite literally a giant disaster on virtually every conceivable level. This movie should replace Plan 9 From Outer Space as the worst movie ever made solely due to the raging dumpster fire that is this story. I hope this helps answer your very good questions, you deserved a better movie. We all did.
Poedacrow Great points brought up, lol free the animals but fuck the poor kids who are slaves and gonna get whipped and beaten badly maybe even some killed because of useless Finn and Lady Shrek Rose’s actions. Oh my God!!! Nonsense!!!!!
St.PatrickStar Well he did assume Palpatine was dead during the events of the sequels. The sequels are just separate adventures with similar characters. Like the clone wars if the clone wars was horrendously botched and in chronological order
Ive watched the movie once in the movie theater and tried to watch it one more time but I cant get through the crank call // bomb bay doors opening scene without going ballistic. Ive watched Maulie's 3 videos over and over and over again. Love them.
In regards to the Canto Bight plot line, and your musings about what happens to the racing animals and how releasing them ( especially without knowing anything about them) being misleading. In our county, several years ago, someone, or , more likely , some group, took it upon themselves to try to free all of the mink from a farm to keep them from being used for coats. Not knowing anything about these violent little animals they simply opened dozens of cages and left the door to the building open. Well, since mink are prone to infighting the first thing that the newly freed weasels did was attack each other. When workers arrived in the morning they found a room full of fur, blood, and dead and dying mink. Most of them had died in a intraspecies melee . Later it was discovered that a handfull had actually escaped as they were establishing a population . A population that is now preying on native species( mink are not native to the area). So. The net result was most of the mink that the well meaning rescuers tried to free ended up mauling and murdering each other, most likely far more violently and painfully than what was already in store for them, and a rising population of a predatory alien species that now threatens the natural balance in the area( had a coworker whose pond was totally depleted of fish because mink had taken to fishing them). Well meaning, but naive.
Nice example and adding, but we don't need to go this far on the subject. The guards of Canto Bight have SPACESHIPS. I bet that, in less than 12 hours, all those racing aliens were back in their posts, since, you know, they never left the planet.
I know this is a pretty late reply to this comment but I'm 99% sure they're blatantly lying to you. They credit Ruin Johnson as the only writer. No way is that actually the case. He contributed, but I'm damn sure Kathleen Kennedy had her lauded "all female writers team" handed a checklist of all the things she wanted in the movie, said female staff(with no knowledge of the SW universe) went ahead and wrote a lot of it, then handed it to Rian who finished fleshing it out. Most of that is conjecture on my part, but you can be certain that Rian was not the only writer. He was the fall guy in case the agenda-pushing didn't go according to plan...lo and behold, it didn't.
Rian Johnson is a better writer than this. I’m not saying he’s perfect, I prefer his direction over his writing, but he’s *way* better than this. Looper isn’t great, but it’s infinitely better thought out than The Last Jedi.
"How would Rey respond to being the grand-daughter of a bloodthirsty murderer?" Pretty well, apparently. Didn't seem to bother her at all after she mary-sue'd her way to victory and poached the main character's name from over 6 fucking movies.
What makes Rey a Mary Sue is that she effortlessly impresses the OT heroes. She flies the Falcon (and fixes it) better than Han and Chewie. She beats Luke and impresses him with her force power. She connects instantly with Leia and comforts her, even though there was no previous relationship. Mary Sue originally came from fan-fiction where the writer placed a thinly-disguised version of herself into the world and everyone instantly loves her and wants to be her friend. Yes, this is usually because she is perfect, but the dynamic of impressing established characters is the primary and the perfection is the secondary characteristic of a Mary Sue.
23:31: Force Ghost Lore breaking 27:31 Theme of Morality in Star Wars 47:45 Rey's flaws as perfect character 1:15:30 the throne room fight 1:28:26 Holdo Maneuver
Thanks…the makers of the sequel trilogy had to virtually ignore force ghosts, otherwise the sequels don’t happen…Ben Solo won’t turn to the dark side if force ghost Anakin talks him out of it…Luke won’t leave the Jedi order if force ghosts Obi Wan, Anakin and Yoda speak with him The point here is: if making the sequels clash against the lore, don’t make them But there was too much money to be made by making these films, so the lore had to be ditched
Again, the problem is not that message being there. We see the same in Episode I with the whole slavery thing, the quote "The republic doesn't exist out here" said by Shmi Skywalker, the fact that she is a sacrificed mother that has done everything in her power to keep her child safe without any reward, and how Watto loses everything for his greed, but no one cared, and it wasn't even that well-written, but it had synergy with the story, it feel part of it. Here it's just something added for no reason at all, an entire plot line that goes nowhere, just because.
Another thing I would point out is how....well, I can't think of any other word except *creepy* for when Holdo and Leia talk about Poe. I mean really: two generals standing over the stunned, unconscious body of someone they just shot, a person who is one of their pilots, one of their subordinate officers, someone of the opposite fucking gender, and they're talking about how *cute* he is? Yea, it's fucking creepy, especially when at this point, the audience is more likely than not on Poe's side and are still getting over the fact that Holdo was supposedly right. All I could think of at that scene is Poe is probably going to be posting #MeToo on his Facebook feed in the near future.
scottski02 If it were 2 men, you'd hear a onslaught of sexual harassment and sexist behavior for the characters. Women get away with everything in movies these days.
It would have been fine (and a good way for the audience to connect with Holdo) if had been more of a reflective moment for her, as in while staring at Poe she tells Leia, with true penitence and guilt, that this mutiny could have been prevented if she hadn't been so difficult and deliberately obtuse with her soldiers. But no, let's have her make a stupid joke instead. If the tone in this movie was any more imbalanced it would be in the middle of the ocean during a hurricane.
Here's my male version of the Bechdel Test: if two women are saying something on film that would get them and/or the filmmakers crucified if the sexes were reversed, the film has failed. Indeed *this movie actually fails the Bechdel Test!* When two women converse in this film, it's about a man!
Yerflua The thing I love most about this fucked-up test is that this conversation would pass it: "Omigod, babe, did you watch last night's Kardashians?" "Did I? Honey, just gotta get myself these panties Kendall wore there! *TIHIHIHIHI!"* But this one would instead fail miserably: "I have spoken to the Secretary last week and he assured me of the Republicans' full endorsement of the harbor expansion bill." "In exchange for the Democrats' support for the tax cut for the wealthiest, I presume?"
One thing i wanna add to jedi fights: We know from the OT and the Prequels that Jedi can see into the future. So the fights are naturally not only swordfights with lightsabers, they are fights were two force sensitive characters are constantly trying to out-predict their opponent. Its only logical the fights look different than real life
01:32:55 "It doesn't matter, it was only a movie; it was visually marvelous." Are people honestly defending this scene with _that_ logic? That line of thinking has been mocked sore by every capable reasoning being in history, because it reduces storytelling to the level of jingling keys in a toddler's face. What has this film done to critical standards!?
That's the standard for most mainstream movies nowadays. It really saddens me to see that people are being treated as children and are happy about it. Even the screenwriters realized that most people don't give a shit about writing anymore so they just go with the superficial elements like visuals and sounds. That's why things like Transformers and Fast and Furious make fuck tons of money. That's why Disney can get away with redoing their classics. They know that people would just appreciate the pretty lights and loud sounds...
Exactly. It's not a recent trend. The box office returns speak volumes. If you can make billions with mere moments, visuals and playing up emotional reactions, why bother really putting in effort? No point in trying if the audience is gonna see it anyway. There's still plenty of people with higher standards. Not everything needs to be something that will make you have to think but it's still worth trying to captivate your audiences even with only a little bit of thinking.
@@silvergrove8517 Fast and Furious writing is smarter than Disney Wars though, at least it knows that it's dumb action schlock and doesn't try to hamhandedly have 2DEEP4ME THEMES like TLJ.
to be fair the night sisters werent villains, they just lived on their planet, oftin aiding close friends, but remaining neutral. are some of the things they do fucked up? yes. but i wouldn't call them villans per-say
I always find the "forget the past" thing a stupid life lesson. You learn from the past...forgetting the past means you have learn nothing from the mistakes made in the past.
SMAXZO You are forgetting, this is a post-modernist movie, with a post-modernist message.
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SuperNoone89 No it was supposed to be a clever metaphor for Disney killing off everything of the past Star Wars but it wasn’t clever and kinda made me angry.
The Lion King did a much better job of teaching people how to deal with their troubled past; Rafiki tells you 'The past can hurt, but you can either run from it, or learn from it.' And guess what? That was a Disney movie. How have Disney become so fucked up?
You nailed it, this movie's take on defense contractors is the perspective of a child. Especially when Benicio literally shows Finn an X Wing and says "They sell to both sides", confirming that they don't favor the bad guys. The good guys need weapons too. The Resistance would be stuck fighting with sticks and rocks if those arms dealers on Canto Bight didn't exist.
Relate to Capitan phasma? Because of her actions? And her character? But she's evil, cruel, and abusive to her troops. She isn't a cool or interesting character she's stupid and "dies" in 2 movies If she returns in episode 9 she'll probably die then because it's the 3rd movie But at that point it's comedic how often this supposedly strong character dies
Phasma is literally just a genderbent Kenny McCormic at this point. I'm not even exaggerating either: her face is never shown, she barely does anything, and only exists to "die" every episode as a running gag.
For instance, most countries that become socialist countries end up falling. And there's a socialist movement in America today. What does that say to you?
~45:45 - To say "I bypassed the compressor!" in fixing something on the Millenium Falcon is like your car mechanic saying "I bypassed the valves!" in explaining how he got your car engine to start up. Bypassing critical equipment like that is impossible.
So maybe the look on Han’s face isn’t that of a person being impressed, but rather as someone who is befuddled when they find out their girlfriend found a way to buy the “blinker fluid” for her turn signal that you were kidding about.
Sometimes things like that can work as a short-term solution. Some systems exist in order to avoid putting undue strain on the structure, or to automate certain forms of control that are almost always wanted. Ripping out some part as a bypass MIGHT be a good solution to an immediate problem. I'm not a mechanic, but in biological terms, adreneline allows humans to bypass the usual limits we put on our body when our life is on the line. We don't normally act at our full strength, because it's very harmful to do so. This even makes sense as something Rey would know as a scavenger. She'd be used to working with faulty systems, and systems that were almost completely decayed anyway. And she'd be use to replacing whatever systems were damaged by various bypasses. Now, I doubt the writer put that much thought into it, but it can be justified after the fact.
Like bypassing the carburetor on a 1990's jeep wrangler to allow better fuel mix ratios and making it more efficient. Or removing the thermostat to bypass a coolant leak.
@@barrybend7189 are you suggesting that removing a thermostat would bypass a leak? Or is that an example of the nonsensical nature of bypassing a compressor?
Amusingly, in the EU, it was stated on several separate occasions that Han and Chewie had added so much crap to the Falcon while repairing it over the years that it could actually work without one or two subsystems. Han would literally rip out some cables from above him when something would break in the middle of a space firefight and the Falcon would still fly normally. xD I have no idea if that bit inspired this bullshit in the sequels (I mean, wouldn't surprise me, considering how much they copied and pasted into their scrips from EU without much thought), but in EU, even if it still wasn't really possible if somebody with mechanical training would look at it (I have no idea so I can't judge on that), there at least was SOME explanation why such thing would be possible, and it was Han doing it, not some junk trader that lived her whole life on a desert planet.
57:42 Not to forget that Poe was, in practically every measurable way, her second in command. Even if a couple of command deck personnel outranked him, you’re in SPACE. Poe’s the sole leader of your only STARSHIP SQUADRON. Need to know has been 100% fulfilled.
I was absolutely surprised by how out of her gourd she is. She was really good as Brienne of Tarth and I enjoyed her character. She also did a good job as Phasma even if she was under used, she acted really well. But she is straight kooky in interviews and on T.V.
@@snodog00 Everybody in the interviews is cooky, because they're actors and they're being paid to act like it was a great movie. Those interviews are marketing, not education.
@@haydentravis3348 a sure hope so. If shes like that as a person, I wouldn't want to know her. Like... I wouldn't hang out with someone that talks about putting casseroles in her armor to cook on her body to serve her friends. And you always enjoy actors more when you can relate to their real persona.
And what significant actions as a villain, even? The only notable thing she ever did was being forced to bring Starkiller Base’s shields down, which said nothing positive about her character.
"Why? In all 7 episodes of the main line series... ...have we not seen this maneuver?" Consider this: You've never seen this done before. Not only in Star Wars, but in _any other sci-fi movie, book, tv show, etc_ Why? Because this is in fact one of the unspoken meta Rules of Sci-fi. From a writing perspective, the moment you introduce FTL ramming as a concept, you've now introduced a completely OP weapon that cannot be countered that has infinite destructive potential that solves all possible combat scenarios: It's called *the Asteroid with attached FTL drive and drone guidance.* It's the sci-fi equivalent of a nuclear weapon. Every military would just immediately build these things and point them at each others' planets, and then it becomes impossible to write any plausible 'conventional' sci-fi fleet battle. It's not that people have never had this idea before. It's that they considered the universe-building ramifications of the idea and realized it was too unbalancing to include. The reason why the writer for this movie was dumb enough to introduce such a meta-destroying concept is because he's not a sci-fi fan and has no idea of general sci-fi tropes and what can reasonably be done in the medium.
Not just sci-fi tropes, but lacking basic experience in writing. Has Rian Johnson never written before? Over-the-top powers that break a story to the point of no return is a common trope of amateur writers, especially young ones, who get caught up in the fantasy of the power and forget that the characters still need to be able to exist in the same universe in which said power is possible and that when conflict arises, you need to be able to write about it without said power turning your universe into something that is impossible for any normal human being to relate to. I would know, I've done it myself before. It's why superheroes always have to come with weaknesses, whether it's something physical like Superman and kryptonite, or something psychological like Batman and his (in some variations of his character) hesitation to kill anyone. It's why a character like James Bond, despite being a stunning superspy who can get any woman he wants and take down any international spy villain, is a miserable alcoholic who can never find happiness because even if he finds a woman he loves, she might get murdered by an enemy. It's why Sherlock Holmes is a socially-stunted person who struggles to relate to others as a normal human being. The list is endless. Characters and mechanics without significant weaknesses are both a significant problem in this movie.
i mean they could just mass produce tiny rockets with ftl drives and just fly them straight at enemy ships. problem solved. in fact, this makes the sun beam planet pointless, since its shields could be penetrated by ftl speed. they could just ram a y-wing into the planet (they have ftl drives) and be done with it.
Turns out, they tried to rationalize away the mass use in the books or comics (I refuse to double-check which it's in, but I know it's in one of them). Apparently, it's "too expensive" to use the hyperdrive as a weapon. That's complete bullshit, since they can clearly make them small enough and cheaply enough to fit on X- and Y-Wings.
Even that rationalization for hyperdrive costs has a simple issue. Wars are as much about logistics as they are about the battle. As expensive as a hyperdrive is, it's not as expensive as a hyperdrive WITH THE SHIP INCLUDED. Even if we didn't purpose-build ships with FTL drives for ramming, it would STILL be a viable tactic in the field, and pilots would do it all the time, because IT STILL COSTS THE ENEMY MORE than it does you. But it's just a lightshow compared to the thematic issues with the story. Mein Gott.
I'll be honest, I'd totally like to check out a sci-fi universe completely built around the creation and ensuing cold (and eventually hot) wars and galactic-political ramifications of asteroids with drone guidance and FTL drives. I mean, if we were in the 1890's we'd probably think the same way about nukes - but nukes are so devastating and scary that we haven't resorted to using them without impunity. I think it could be done well - not in star warts. This franchise is fubar - but in something new.
11,000 SUBSCRIBERS!?!!? Guys, that's ridiculous, When I released the rant I was on 2K subs. You guys have seriously had such an amazing effect on my channel and how I imagine my future may change now.
I have GOOD news and BAD news;
The Good news is that after reading thousands of comments, I have seen what annoys people the most about my series as well as mistakes I have made, on top of that I have had a few requests and new ideas about what I am covering, so I decided to re-script and re-record a lot of Part 3 to integrate a lot of new stuff, I think you guys are going to enjoy how spicy it gets, so look forward to that I guess.
The bad news is that thanks to this, I am still in production on it and I MIGHT not be able to release it on the following Friday, it may be delayed, but I will release it the moment it is proofed and finished, it shouldn't take much longer than next Friday.
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MauLer Well deserved.
Congrats! That list of Rey's absent character flaws was brutal...Well played sir.
JJ Abrams faces such a massive gauntlet ahead, I'm curious if he wants to retcon RJ's disaster as "canon" fodder.
Congrats, dude! Totally earned, and I'm looking forward to the third video, whenever it can be released. Take as much time as you need!
Well it was the best rant in the internet of all timess....
I'm just glad the 2nd part is out!
"Maybe Holdo and Snoke dated in the past?" Ugh, could you imagine them trying to go out for dinner? Holdo would have an exact place in mind, but refuse to tell Snoke a single thing about it until they got there. And when they did, Snoke would make his First Order something expensive yet without substance.
This comment is art.
prkr07 I think I love you
I normally hate fan fiction by default, but this is something I would actually read.
One of the best comments I've come across so far.
And then Snoke would die before explaining anything about himself.
"I would like one Peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich please."
"Absolutely, here you go. I put olives on it, and replaced the jelly with sawdust."
"Woah. Subversive masterpiece!"
"Just kidding, the sandwich is really...your hand."
"And now you're a tardigrade, floating through space."
"Your welcome."
S u B V e R t e D
edit: homophones.
Nebadon Adams
Kira Yoshikage approves.
Kars does not.
JustAnotherGaian
“Oh I also made you a new fur Scarf!”
“Woah really thanks!” *Wears the Scarf*
“Oh I made it out of your cats skin”
“Woah shit that’s so Subversive”
Unknown
Kars stopped thinking, much like many of those who enjoyed this movie
@@officerspider7996 lol
Isaac Asimov used the term "idiot plot" for a story which "only works if every a character is an idiot."
His specific example was Character X knows something and keeps it from Character Y for no reason.
...Which seems to describe Holdo.
she can't have thought there was a spy on board, because her plan assumes there is no spy. a spy means the first order knows or will know one or more of the following:
the transports exist; the crew has abandoned ship on small transports; the rebels touch down on a nearby planet; the location of the hidden base.
the addition of a spy, or the belief of a spy, completely defeats the plan.
John Nowak Sounds like Alien Covenant. 2017 was the worst year for movies lmao.
jaqs smith also, she had no reason to suspect Poe himself, as he is their best pilote, as well as a commander, and the man responsible for the destruction of starkiller, and if she didn’t think he was the spy, then she would’ve simply take him aside.
They could’ve had her being the traitor, that would’ve make more sense, and Poe or Leia devise the emergency plan with the shuttles.
What makes the film instantly 205% idiot plot is that once Holdo hyperspace rams the First Order, it immediately raises the question of why the hell not a single First Order ship in their entire fleet thought to just do that to the Resistance cruiser right at the start of the film.
"We have to keep chasing them until they run out of fuel."
"Sir, can't we just get an empty ship to hyperspace instantly right through them?"
"Oh yeah."
*Rebels die, film ends*
@@SerMattzio Because *idiot plot* exist.
Kylo: Brutally murders his own father
Rey: Them abs tho
I have to admit it got me for a minute though
@@CharlieQuartz Eh, nothing wrong with objectifying a murderer every once in a while. The internet does it all the time.
This is basically how women think though. Well, at least the women on tinder.
to be fair, they are really great.
Kylo is ripped as the giga chad guy
>The jedi need to die
*1 hour later*
>tHe SaCrEd JeDi TeXtS
Lmfao
Maybe it’s because Luke is upset that HE didn’t set fire to the texts. Yoda took away the pleasure from him... This is pure comedy the more I think about it.
Bruh I never realized that. This movie is a joke.
*2 hours before*
_saves his father from the dark side_
*1 hour before*
_doesnt even attempt to save his nephew from the dark side_
Its basically like saying the Catholic Church needs to go away but Jesus has some good points in the Bible. Not that any of this actually matters.
"If Rey was grand daughter to a palpatine"
Oh boy
MauLer, you prophet you.
Or jar jar binks!
@@kreese-yi2nb These theories have been going in since 2015. I wasn't even surprised at all while watching TROS
Well, doesn't that just sound prophetic right about now?
i think Disney watched this review
Don't shove this "failure is the best teacher" line down my throat and have your main character, Rey, emerge victorious in nearly every single dangerous situation. She is immune to failure. This movie says one thing and shows another.
Rey even succeeds in making me dislike her. She literally doesn't fail at *anything!*
She failed to kill Han Solo and Chewbacca with the poison in TFA.
To be fair she failed at turning Kylo, who remained a sith and her enemy so she has at east failed in that regard.
She still succeeds nearly everywhere else
I think the core of the MaRey Sue problem is that she doesn't have to face the consequences of her own personal limitations because either she doesn't have any or the other characters don't recognize them as such.
Luke had all sorts of character flaws that he had to overcome.
Even an overpowered protagonist can be written well. Magneto is a perfect example. He's an unstoppable idealist, but his machiavellian way turns him into an anti-hero, and eventually he becomes the antagonist. He has to be stopped by his own people, i.e. he's facing the consequences of his character flaws.
Rey on the other hand has no character flaws, or when she does it's instead portrayed as righteousness. And since she's so powerful on top of that without having earned it and without any explanation, we don't know why we should be invested in her. If she's already perfect in every way, both externally and internally, why bother? What's the big deal if the worst that happens to her externally is a slight wound on the arm, and the worst that happens to her internally is that she cries a little over her parents (but apparently accepts Kylo's version of the truth with no problems during her little escapade on the Supremacy).
Same with the "let the past die." Don't tell me to look to the future in a movie that is over 50% composed of references and rip-offs of movies that came out decades ago without any of the build-up or resonance that made them meaningful.
I cannot stop bitterly laughing at Mark Hammil’s description of how he had to pretend he was not acting as Luke Skywalker but as a different guy, maybe Jake Skywalker. Holy shit.
The more I see of Mark Hamill being miserable and sad during interviews, the more I understand why he's leaving Star Wars.
@@hariman7727Its also a little bit because they killed his character, no?
@@themug406 that doesn't help.
@@themug406
Nah, he would have been perfectly happy (as would most of the audience, atleast the none-toxic parts) if they killed him off whilst respecting his character and giving his death meaning.
He brought joy to a whole generation and was then dragged through shit with the same character decades later.
Anyone would be pissed.
You missed a plot hole with the “parents reveal scene” in my opinion. Rian Johnson has said that he decided to make Rey’s parents “nobody” because he believed it was the hardest thing for her to hear, which is wrong. JJ Abrams already told Rey the hardest thing for her to hear.
It was established in The Force Awakens that Rey had been on Jakku for most of her life waiting for her parents. - “I know all about waiting... for my parents” she tells BB8 - Then Maz Kanata gets Rey to admit to herself that whoever she’s been waiting for are not coming back. An emotional moment that puts her in tears.
So Rey already knows they’re not coming back, but now she’s upset that the people who are not coming back are “nobody”? That doesn’t make sense. And why when pressed by Kylo would she refer to her parents as “nobody”? It was never indicated in these movies that she hoped for her parents to be significant people in the galaxy. *FANS* were hoping that Rey’s parents would explain her abilities, but Rey was just looking for family. I think this is proof that Rian Johnson (maybe unwittingly) was writing to subvert fan expectations and not for character development. He basically reshoots the Maz Kanata scene but inserts Kylo and acts like Rey was expecting her parents to be prominent people.
That scene bothered me because it made Rey less interesting, and also because it didn’t make sense that she would be upset that the people who deserted her were “nobody”.
InDaZone The entire movie was constantly bouncing against the 4th wall. Nobody talks like a person. I missed that little detail, that's a good observation. A scene that read similarly to me was Finn's "Rebel Scum" line.
He said it as if he was making a direct reference to Star Wars. Like he saw the movies?
I am a little drunk right now but I read your comment and it made a huge amount of sense, holy shit, I regret not putting that in my video, It is a pattern I have missed. The dialogue is explained better when framed as a response to fans rather than from the characters own perception. < hopefully that makes sense.
+MauLer As you said in the video, your audience just keeps discovering new plotholes faster than you can discuss them
The Curl Exactly. That’s why so many scenes felt like a middle finger to fans. Whether Johnson can admit it to himself or not, he was writing with fan theories in his mind. It’s like his explanation for Luke tossing the lightsaber over his shoulder. He claims that was the most “honest reaction” he could think of. How is that an honest reaction? Luke has been alone on the island for who knows how long and a human shows up holding a family heirloom. Instead of asking, where did you get that? who are you? how did you find me? Who sent you? He just throws it over his shoulder and stomps off in a cartoonish way. There’s nothing honest about the reaction. It’s simply to subvert fan expectations.
InDaZone Oh no. Everything RJ did in the movie and how he has responded to people being none to pleased with the outcome says he was very intently going against fans. If he wasn’t, he would not have mocked Kylo for losing to a girl. Women being highly competent in this movie especially and rather ok throughout the rest of the Star Wars Universe. Among other things.
“You bet the survival of the resistance on bad odds”
Next movie: the holdo maneuver is 1/1,000,000
Not only that. How the hell is ramming a ship into another one in a straight line a 1/1,000,000 chance?
Arko i just assume everyone has storm trooper aim at base till the plot armor kicks in.
"Never tell me the odds!"
Not to mention
TLJ: Rey’s parents were irrelevant scrap merchants
TRS: Rey’s parent was the Literal Scion Of Darth “Sheev Palpatine” Sidious
@@Arko777777 JJ is basically telling us that Rian Johnson's "Hyperspace Hulk Smash" maneuver was a terrible idea (which it was). It's a terrible explanation that's also meant to tell us why they can't use it again in "Rise of Skywalker."
Ray is perfect.
"Who connects to that?"
Narcissists.
Dread Pirate Roberts
A large portion of millennials?
souldry ya know I really want to say that's wrong but after thinking about it yeah your right.
Hawk Bray
Not their fault. Their parents are to blame.
Borderline narcissists, to be exact.
Yes.
That shot of Mark Hamill nearly hyperventilating behind Rian Johnson is just so painful to watch.
I know . . . he looks truly disgusted and defeated. 😭
Just like how Vader felt while standing next to the Emperor in Episode 6.
The look on his face is so sad, but also telling. And justified. They destroyed his identity, he's never been anyone but Luke Skywalker.
It is actually heartbreaking. They took his life achievement and ran it through the mud.
@@proxlite8728 and they did it with intention. These twerpy little twits got to humiliate and abuse the greatest hero in movie history...and they hadn't even earned the right to make him a sandwich
Remember when the funny little green guy going thru Luke's stuff at the Xwing turned out to be Yoda? Remember how the look on Luke's face when he figured it out as Yodas demeanor changed and the Jedi master revealed?
THAT'S proper subversion, Rian.
Nah that's basic shit...
Family Guy did it better:
Are you Yoda?
No I'm not Yoda... Ok I'm Yoda
Pepperidge Farm remembers. I remember too....from 1980.
"Subverting expectations" means you haven't an original thought in your head, don't understand foreshadowing, and want to make sure that everyone knows you're an artist. This way, when you write a story that doesn't hang together. Giving these people creative control over a franchise created by their betters is like giving me Lebron James's basketball on the assumption that I'll be able to dunk.
@@TOONYBOY it's still subversion
@@thescottishanimeguy9946 That's the joke
Another thing Mauler that I felt you hadn't mentioned is how the Jedi and Sith are effectively flipped on their head now. Rey being a Jedi, despite being highly emotional and fighting with hate, gains a lot of power with next to no training and that they just need to follow their heart. Kylo has shitloads of training, and has difficulties giving up his emotional ties, and loses immediately to Rey on their first encounter. It's like a role reversal, being a Sith now requires everything that a Jedi needed in the prequels (giving up attachments, emotions, requiring great amounts of training) and now being a Jedi requires you to follow your heart, fight with hate, and that training is unnecessary (Yoda even says so).
What the hell happened?
ReshyShira thats how feminazi works. They view themselves as right and as heroes when in reality...... Heh
That's a good point. Actually I'm glad you brought it up because I remember reading somewhere that someone mentioned that Rey is more impulsive than Kylo Ren which is more characteristic of the Dark Side. I totally agree with you. This movie is just appalling once everything is broken down. I didn't think about half of the things he talked about but it's horrifying to have someone point them out.
Heck, Kylo even feels "the pull to the light". Since when does the light side tempt anyone ? Even that is flipped off which funnily enough fits perfectly into this.
Jackson Smith Ok, this is just an example. In the EU, Obi Wan as a padawan meets Jexter Dexter for the first time and during their conversation a small child and his sister are being harassed by the security force of the planet. (Planet was corrupt, and blasters were banned unless you were in the military/police force of this planet.) Obi wan intervens, and when the guards point their rifles at him, he cuts through them. People see his blue blade, and start cheering because they thought the Jedi had come to help them. Immediately, the guards step down. Later, Jexter asks Obi wan if he knew the true power of the lightsaber. He responds "The ability to cut through almost everything." Dexter laughs and says "that's what I used to think, But then one day, I saw a young Jedi named Obi Wan Kenobi activate his saber on Ord Sigatt, and that's when I learned it's true power. Cutting through things is merely a lightsaber's technical function, but it's real power is in the eye of the beholder. The sight of a lightsaber can inspire great fear, but it also inspire great hope. It all depends on whether one regards the Jedi as friend or foe. With one quick sweep of a lightsaber, you gave hope to everyone who saw your blade. Except for the bad guys that is. Your lightsaber brought them to their knees and without spilling a drop of blood." So if a child sees that, and is inspired to help people in their time of need just as a Jedi did, I could see that as a pull to the light.
+Jackson Smith The sad thing is Kylo feeling a "pull" to the Light Side could have been an actually interesting subversion. It's always been the Dark Side that's seductive to Force sensitives, so I was on board with seeing a Force user feeling a natural inclination to the Light Side, but really wanting to go with the Dark Side instead. It could raise so many interesting plot and character questions about why Ren would have such seemingly flipped priorities.
But wasting potentially good plots and characters is the only thing the sequel trilogy is good at.
The Last Jedi was very succesful in one aspect though:
It helped me appriciate original trilogy and even prequel trilogy even more than I already did
Legit actually enjoyed the boring parts of the prequels having watched them now, helps to know Jar Jar is a Sith.
@@SgtKOnyx that a good one
Yup.. At least george did the prequels and they are real star wars movies.. I don't mind even if it's boring at times.. It doesn't destroy the complete story..
@@travelerluke5748 I have more respect for the prequels after seeing the last jedi. If the leaks are true I think a cool ending would be if Rey became the empress I just don't think she is signed on after this movie.
Prequels still shit.
For me, the evil of the Last Jedi is this: Rian Johnson decided to sit down, and take the communal story of Star Wars, that we have shared as a society for 30 years, and instead of growing it, tore it down to tell a story completely unrelated to the world. He's selfish, and he's smug about it.
Actually I think the more accurate term to describe him is AMERICAN.
Think of all the characteristics he has displayed and what nationality comes to mind? A selfish, individualistic arrogance with no thought of others...
@@bigduke2140 Weirdly prejudice to think of an entire nationality as "selfish, individualistic and arrogant". I wonder where you're from and how you'd feel to have your nationality ridiculed in this way - probably not so great. Ignorance comes from everywhere I suppose.
careful buddy, you'll pull your arm out of its socket with how far you're reaching.
@@bigduke2140 what a moronic comment
@@bigduke2140 Wow. You're being quite awful and arrogant with that BS.
I wouldn't say it's an American attitude. I'd say it's a leftist attitude. He knew he was right, he didn't care about whether or not what he was doing would hurt others, and pats himself on the back and thinks he did good while the world burns around him.
See: All the examples of the various forms of leftism and tyranny that have killed millions and ruined economies, like Socialism, Communism, and Corporatism.
EDIT: It's also Canada that has the MAID service that's the Canadian "health care" system literally killing more and more citizens instead of helping them.
Phasma is alive, she fell into space, and as we saw in the film, space is totally safe and she can just float back to the nearest door.
yeah, so safe characters can survive IN A VACUUM!
for fuck sake we've seen that space isn't safe, one of the episodes of the clone wars saw clones being swept into space AND DYING
@@aaron75fy But it subverts your expectations so it's automatically brilliant.
@@Webshooters1 no it isn't
@@aaron75fy your like that one type of kid in my school that takes shit to seriously.
Her armor deflects space just like blaster fire.
My problem with the lighting was that "if you strike me down, I will become more powerful than you could ever imagine" was a very profound phrase that was systematically ruined by this.
Originally the phrase meant something deeper, that it was not literal power, but a oneness and spirituality. In defeat he would ascend to a higher state that you will never reach.
It made you question power itself, the squabbles over meaningless things in our life. All tieing together into the force and how luke learns to let go and trusts his feelings.
But no.
That ACTUALLY just means you can summon tier 9 lighting strikes, because you took the light path which ends in strong end game abilities, even though the early game is weak.
This honestly bothers me.
elronman I mean while I agree to a degree and I’m also not defending this movie at all, in the legends they did play around with force ghosts and the spirits of Mortis in the clone wars to be able to interact with physical things to a degree. Force storms were a power used by dark side users at times so I think if it had been done correctly, it could go the way you explained it and also open them up to new abilities however they just choose not to use them to interfere as Jedi. I mean Vader and other people fought with spirits from holocrons and tombs and stuff. Just my thoughts
@@spencer8388 Well, the spirits of Magna Ragnos and co not only needed to possess bodies or at least suck power out of them (thus not being able to interact with the world on their own) but were also fairly limited in their power. They somewhat resemble beings with bodies. They can't appear wherever they want whenever they want as force ghosts apparently can. The Yoda force ghost in this movie could just appear in front of Snoke or Kylo Ren or in the tracker room and kill them or hack into it.
Not only that but it tells vader that he could kill him, but he would never be able put him in the same hell vader went into. That vader could never truly have his revenge.
"In defeat, [Obi Won] would ascend to a higher state that [Vader] will never reach."
It's an interesting interpretation but not exactly accurate, considering that the end of RotJ showed both Obi Won AND Vader as force-ghosts.
Maybe Obi Won had simply been making an empty threat (though it certainly didn't FEEL like one) or maybe Vader had managed to redeem himself by killing the Emperor. Though, IMO "chucking an old man off a walkway" doesn't seem like it would be super redemptive.
@Dyl H. Interesting. In a way then, that line was essentially a continuation of their screaming-match on Mustafar. It's as if we, the audience, are only privy to pieces of an argument that these former friends have been having for decades.
"Rey, a completely blank slate, perfect in every way was waiting for her parents to completely define her origins. And now Rey, a completely blank slate, perfect in every way has no origin of interest"
Wha a great way to sum up why Rey is a trash character. Thank you.
do you think that she can become a better character with the mind wipe theory?
@@mik3pif782 MaReysue will never be great.
@@brightgarinson3099 I am not talking about becoming great but about actually making a her a character cause right now she is just amazing by birth.
@@mik3pif782 Do you believe that? Even after Disney pushes her so much with no flaws whatsoever or goals?
@@brightgarinson3099 I just hope they do something with her. It is too late to work on character traits and development but they could at least explain how she is so powerful and why she wants to save kylo so much (maybe she knew him before). Just wishful thinking i guess but whatever happens episode 9 will be my last star wars.
1:22:47 “Rey was speculated to be the child of Luke Skywalker, or Obi-Wan Kenobi, or even the granddaughter of Emperor Palpatine”
This aged well
sadly
"Maybe the subversion in episode 9 will be that she will get killed ..."
This also aged well.
Forshadowing is a literary device
1) Rey suddenly changed her last name to Skywalker.
2) Rey's actress revealed that Rey was actually suppose to be related to Kenobi before they changed it in TLJ
3) Well... Ya know.
Funny how all of these things are kinda true at the same time
And what's even more hilarious is that none of those were meant to be the original plan, but J.J. changed that because he saw that some people had figured out his sh*tty mystery box before Episode Vll even came out and went into panic mode.
Snoke's dialogue right before he dies felt like something right out of an episode of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
"I CANNOT BE BETRAYED"
*cut to title card*
Snoke Is Betrayed
njdss4 "Throw me in the Traaaaaash!" - Han Solo, Death Star Planet, 2015
njdss4 It is Joss Whedon humor through and through. Watch Buffy and a lot of these moments are there.
LOL
I guarantee that somewhere, some knucklehead was actually shocked when Kylo betrayed Snoke.
*The Gang Betrays Supreme Leader Snoke*
I can't believe that Rey's enjoyment of the rain and the trauma of a near death by that same element wasn't used as an opportunity for character development for her and Luke.
Like Mauler says, she falls into the water...maybe instead of just swimming to the surface, she's at a very clear risk of drowning because she doesn't know how to swim. Luke initially sees her falling into the water as a point of vague amusement, but it swiftly turns to obvious concern when he realizes that she can't swim and he dives in to rescue her. So right off the bat, it helps establish that Luke's cynicism is only skin deep, and maybe also helps Luke himself realize that he isn't nearly as uncaring to the ongoing plight of the galaxy as he's convinced himself. Rey, on the other hand, has a harrowing and humbling experience that parallels her experience with the Force. Her light dabbling in it before now has been largely successful, but just in the same way that the thrill of feeling rainfall and the terror of nearly drowning comes down to an experience with the same element, she maybe now gets a sense of why the Force isn't something to be treated lightly, and that delving too deep and too quickly can consume her. In that same vein, Luke realizes the importance of actually mentoring Rey and teaching her the ways of the Force because leaving her to her own devices could mean her death or fall to the dark side.
But I guess she can just swim, so nevermind.
electricbayonet2 That’s... *good.* That’s really good.
You know If KiKi the witch just got her powers back that anime would be pretty boring.
electricbayonet2 Well Rian's whole goal was to make Luke as useless and unsympathetic as possible, so of course he didn't do that. Luke could've been cut from the film and almost nothing would've changed.
I THINK the water was purely a force vision but I'm not sure. Not sure how she envisioned herself swimming conventionally, having her move through the water in a weird, unnatural way would have conveyed it better.
Well, Rey is a Mary Sue, and Mary Sues can never face legitimate danger, and they certainly never need rescuing, because they are Just That Good, so...
FINN: baffled by the possibility that someone could work for both sides.
ALSO FINN: was a stormtrooper less than a week ago.
Oh, but don’t you realize? The Janitorius Inquisition is a neutral faction of its own! Finn has indeed always been grey (but also black)!
@@Unknown-hb3id Is THAT why Finn panicked at the beginning of TFA? Did he accidentally get on the wrong transport-ship and didn't realize until those bay doors opened and he saw Kylo catching lasers with his mind and was like, "Wait, toilets don't shoot lasers!"
...You know, this started off as a joke but it honestly would explain a lot.
@@CERTAIND00M In reality, Finn was just grossed out about having to clean up the village after the mass executions.
dIrTy jObS, iT aIn'T mUcH bUt It'S hOnEsT wOrK
Legit like 5 days, if that, and he was in a literal coma for some of it.
Unknown Finn was still a storm trooper I think they just used him as a janitor on starkiller base
The worst part about Rey is the fact that in the Lego Holiday Special, where she time travels and sees various different moments in Star Wars history, she is a much more complete and developed character.
She struggles with the expectation of teaching Finn about the Force and training him as a Jedi, she is terrified of him falling to the Dark Side, and she actually struggles in fighting her opponents, learning lessons along the way and facing her weaknesses. Daisy Ridley actually SHINES and emotes so much better as a fucking Lego brick.
Because the lego people actually cared and tried, instead of doing what Rian did in flopping out a bad fanfic.
I wish there was a cameo of Legends timeline characers😩
I'm very shocked by how accurate this is. She really did have better character development in a Lego special than the whole trilogy.
I haven't seen it, I've also never seen episode 9. I gave up after this movie, I just couldn't do it anymore. The only other Star Wars project I watched was The Mandolorion, and we know how that turned out ... But, if the Lego special is worth my time?
Don't forget Lego Phasma...who in the Lega game adaptation of TFA is a MUCH better character who is supportive of her troops in order to garner their loyalty which makes them even more fanatical in their loyalties to the point where she is genuinely hurt when Finn betrays her. They have a boss fight where they're ARGUING their points of view with Finn trying to convince Phasma to see reason, but to his dismay she's too loyal to the First Order to believe him and he's forced to fight despite not wanting to hurt his mentor and semi-adoptive parent.
Why is literally every single Lego PARODY version of the sequel trilogy's character so much better in every way than their film counterparts? It genuinely feels like the Lego parodies are the real script and the movies should be the parodies.
MauLer: ''We are left to asume that Snoke is an invention.
J. J. Abrams: WRITE THAT DOWN, WRITE THAT DOWN!!
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1K likes but only one reply, what kind of sorcery is this
Well, it was J.J. who invented him.
Turns out he was more right than we realized
Why? How could anyone do this to Star Wars, knowingly or not and be okay with it? Especially if that person claimed to be a fan, even going so far as to say that Luke Skywalker was one of his heroes growing up. Okay? Maybe the word hero, doesn’t carry the same meaning for him that it does for the rest of us? There are no words . . .
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What annoys me about Phasma is the actress they chose for her. Let's talk about Brienne of Tarth from Game of Thrones and how utterly badass she is for second. This is a massive woman. She towers over most of the men in the show. She's physically powerful, extraordinarily tough, has amazing sword skills (even Jamie Lannister who is consider by many to be one of the greatest swordsman who ever lived remarked on her skills) and is one of the most honorable characters in the entire show. She's an example of a strong female character done right. Yes she's big and strong and her physical prowess allows her to fight men but she's not consider attractive by anyone in a show filled with attractive women who can't fight. She's honorable but suffers horribly because of this (and remains honorable despite her suffering). She's both a woman who beats the shit out of one of the most formidable men on the show and a great character with loads of depth. Now compare Brienne to Phasma. Look at what they did with this actress. And this is being applauded as some sort of victory for the depiction of women in film. I didn't know feminists hated women. I didn't know they thought women were useless and hollow creatures who offer nothing to anyone and contribute nothing to any situation they find themselves in. In fact considering that Phasma's two defining traits are that she's a woman and her armor is unique I can only take from this that all I should care about in a woman is her genitals and her appearance. Fuck this movie and anyone who pretends it's some sort of social justice triumph. They killed Star Wars to signal virtue and they couldn't even manage to make the female characters decent.
Trash Opinion that’s what I said
PREACH
Brienne failed every single mission EVER entrusted to her. Hell, even when her vow to kill Stannis was realized all she did was kill an already defeated man. LOL. She's the worst. Watch GOT carefully, she literally is the biggest failure EVER.
All I could think of during the scene where Phasma fought Finn was that if that actually WAS Brienne in space armor, she would have kicked Finn's fucking face in, in about 15 seconds, ending his character. Now THAT would have been a subversion.
There are no strong female characters if strong means martial combat. That’s pure fantasy. Nonsense from too many silly movies.
“How does it feel to play the first Star Wars female villain”
Asajj Ventress: *Loudly clears throat*
That was honesty the dumbest thing i have ever heard
Darth Traya, Aurra Sing, Vestara Khai, Mara Jade, Admiral Daala, Jenna Zan Arbor, Tahiri Veila, Darth Zannah, Darth Lachris, Darth Zash, Zam Wesell, Abeloth, etcetc.
But yeah, Kennedy said "There is no source material."
@@RRRanTV Because they fucking said themselves they won't use any of it, I don't understand who's bright idea it was
@@cursedgaraged5801 But they are using it. They are pretentious douchebags who thought that they could do SO much better until it blew up in their faces, and now they steal from better writers and use it to awkwardly hold up their dumpster fire of a trilogy.
DARTH. FUCKING. TRAYA.
“Its worth it to destroy that town, make em hurt”
The only one who hurt were the slaves who were likely beaten if not killed for letting them escape, and then would be forced to fix and clean up their mess. Good job rose. 👍
Typical modern day protest thinking. Hurt innocents who had nothing to do with anything. That'll show the rich and powerful.
I do wonder how many innocent workers and civilians of the Empire were killed on the two Death Stars, fully celebrated by the rebellion and Jedi Order?
@@phoenixmistertwo8815 Workers.. ehh maybe? On the second, probably. Civilians on an active battle station? I doubt that. One could also say that those working on a planet killer arent all that innocent, however, you are right indeed! The difference is, however, the death star was a planet destroying super weapon that was going to kill billions if left untouched. In that movie, there is a heavy sacrifice that is made, and innocents die because of the war. Its not sacrificing the dignity and possibly lives of the innocent to hurt the innocent which in the end caused nothing but suffering and did *no* good.
@Darth Vader , was there an empire before the Sith and Jedi? I mean, what is that history I wonder.
@@phoenixmistertwo8815 The empire is an EMPIRE, which undoubtedly had its own production pipeline and manufacturing capability.
Also, putting a military death base in a civilian contractor's hands is a bit iffy.
1:22:51 "Or even the granddaughter of Emperor Palpatine." That remark aged beautifully.
"And it could mean so many interesting things for her character, so many avenues to explore"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAA.... No.
@@kentonbaird1723 "Could" being the operative word. Only we have needed a good writer for that... and to have not had to cram two movies into one.
he completely fucking predicted EVERYTHING about the rise of skywalker
Kenton Baird Yeah but MauLer’s suggestion didn’t include Palpatine being alive again. Just Rey’s lineage to him.
@@spenser9908 well yeah.... who could predict such a desperate idea as ressurecting a character?
Ohh, wait, disney owns marvel now...
Forget the Last Jedi, kill it if you have to.
With pleasure.
Kill The Force Awakens first, if you can. Still, I have a bad feeling about this, says the Porg to the Wookie. ^(°è°)^
@Cian McCabe dude there are virtually no ad breaks in a feature length analysis. Please grow up, and think critically.
@N.T Ploeg NI agree! The whole problem with this Trilogy, even before J.J. was given Ep. 9. Was each movie was directed and written by different people (which that's what happened with the OT), but for this Trilogy instead of working with each other, making everything flow correctly, and filling the plot holes the last movie did; this Trilogy was supposed to be written by itself like it is it's own movie. And you can't do that for any Trilogy.
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"Its time to let old things die."
We get it, Ryan. You hate the Original Trilogy and its fans. We get it. Very clever. Too bad you couldn't channel all that sass into making a competent, functional script.
Myes. Everytime I revisit the movie through these critiques or rants, I am reminded of how, while sitting in the theatre, I felt that all these desecrations and deaths of the original characters and storylines felt purposefully mean spirited. Like a bully tearing apart a treasured possession- just to see you suffer. I'm not sure that anyone with any clout on that team really liked Star Wars at all. In fact, they HATED Star Wars, it would seem. If they were apathetic, basically they could have had the original characters just grow old and stay home. But instead they were incredibly motivated to RUIN them.. and then kill them. Chilling.
Level1Hera the would have to kill some of the characters but they really did have to make them shine first you can not have luke be the sad emo jedi hating hermit and then have him die. He should've died like luke Skywalker and not this shadow of him. And if you would ask me I would've liked it if there would've been a scene in the force awakens with the original crew.
That's what pissed me off so much about his attitude. He's made it clear, HE wanted to tell HIS story, everything else be damned. He could have done that any other time. I don't understand why he had to co-opt this movie in order to do that.
WRONG
They also hate the prequels
They wanted to destroy everything that SW was and remake it into this new thing by basically telling you to forget about it and care about the new cast
Yeah, it's because tradition represents patriarchy, white supremacy, heteronormawhatever the fuck and all the other nonsensical made up big bads that these raving lunatics can think of to blame all their problems on. These are the people in charge in Hollywood now and they are the reason that most movies are utter shit. Just agendas being shoved down your throat with zero substance.
The reason why they don’t show Lukes reaction to Han Solo’s death is because, not even in this atrocious fanfiction, would it make any conceivable sense for Luke to remain in hiding after finding out his best friend was murdered by his own son, his pupil.
He still learnt about it...
@@Сайтамен Ok well done autist, back to the corner with you
"Phasma is the first female Star Wars villain."
Barriss Offee, the Genosian queen, several members of the Confederation, the Zygerrian queen, Asaaj Ventress, the night sisters, and Aura Sing were all in the Clone Wars tv series before Phasma existed.
Not to mention Zam in Attack of Clones.
Zam at least affect the plot of the series in a meaningful way
Ysanne Isard, Natasi Daala, Tavion, ...
Oh wait, they aren't canon anymore.
@@GeneralMacek Some of the greatest bitches in the universe. Every single one of them was cleverer, meaner and more efficient than the whole First Order.
@@gregoreder8205 Especially Daala. Without her, there would be no Imperial Remnant and Warlords would continue in devastating Imperial legacy.
I can never forget my girl Asaaj.
this movie was such an insult that I watch every single Last Jedi rant on TH-cam. I check every day for new ones. This is wonderful. I am enjoying every second. this is cathartic.
My favorite rant is definitely Mauler's rant. I swear I watched it 6 times it's so hilarious. And I'd rather watch that 10 more times than watch TLJ again.
Okan Draman Dude, I'd rather watch my house burn down, while Jar Jar Binks sings "And I Will Always Love You" than TLJ.
I hope this movie turns out to be career suicide for Johnson.
+Adam W *Fingers desperately crossed*
Jay Paul same here.
'When your own headcanon is the only thing preventing the film from falling apart, you have to admit you *might* be a little brainwashed.'
Ladies and gentlemen...Welcome to about 75% of TLJ apologetics.
Honestly, I've been trying to get that point across to many different fanbases for years, ever since I first watched Sword Art Online. It's an issue with fandoms in general, they brainwash themselves in order to defend their content.
They make assumpions or "likely" assumptions about the characters that do make certain aspects work better but they are not in the movie or confirmed. But they don't actually have an argument.
Glad to be apart of the 25%.
@Olivier Dubreuil-Gagnon same. The only reason I can follow TLJ's messy plot is to "try to fill in" what Rian Johnson might have left out.
@RevelHeir I don't have one, I think it's one of the better Star Wars films yet.
I love how Rose just knows that literally everyone in that casino was an arms dealer and that there is no possible way they could get in there without being war profiteers. And then proceeds to ruin everyone's day and put their lives at risk out of sheer arrogance
Sounds like your average "woke" person these days. Catergorical thinking driven by overemotionality.
At least it fits her character well… if only she wasn’t written to be seen as some kind of hero instead of the laughing stock she actually was. Misguided, childish attempts at ‘saving’ people which just makes things way worse. “By saving what we love!”
@@samael4550 Rose doesn't even try to save the children. She only frees the goatpuppy race horses and lets the children rot in slavery.
"The first female villain in Star Wars". Asaji Ventress started as a throw away villain from The Clone Wars that was evil because she was bad. But ended up having a compelling story as she was betrayed and struggled to find her place in the galaxy. But yet Phasma is gunna claim to be the FIRST!?!?
THANK YOU!
These people are shallow, and think they can do better than talented people because they’re so woke...
The people who made this gormless film know nothing of Star Wars to begin with.
Also, if we're just talking about the movies, there's Zam Wesell: the shapeshifting bounty hunter from Attack of the Clones.
Don't forget Zam Wessel from Attack of the Clones, Asajj Ventress of course and Bo Katan from TCW as a part of Deathwatch and later fighting only for Mandalore,
Rey beats Luke in combat.
Rey beats Luke in combat.
Rey beats Luke in combat.
Say it. *SAY. IT.*
Say it and really consider it and what it means.
It means my childhood has been raped
He wasn't trying to hurt her. Seems pretty obvious
To be fair on this one, Luke was soundly handling her when they were just sparring with sticks. She's the one that whipped out a fucking lightsaber in this squabble. This is equivalent of engaging in fist fight over a disagreement between acquaintances and ending it by pulling out an M16.
It means he was baffled, disconnected from the force for ages and not even trying because he knew she didn't mean to harm him is what that means.
@@jeffwallace673 An master can still beat an student with no intent to kill him.
'We relate to her through her actions'
Woody: YOU ARE A TOY!!!
My favourite comment here.
"And her character." What character? Brienne of Tarth is a character. Captain Phasma is shiny armor.
@@RanMouri82 She IS quite the character... oh right, she was supposed to be human. I forgot she wasn't a droid that gets consistent mind wipes to keep her compliant.
She said "through her actions and her CHARACTER". I can only imagine they cut out a bunch of scenes because she doesn't have a character. Someone once said "that was a terrible waste of Gwendolene Christie" and I can only agree🙄
I really hate that statement of hers.
She's a VILLAIN, wih no ambiguity to her motives or actions. We're not supposed to relate to her at all. Plus, five minutes of screen time. I got more relation out of Jak Dekster - that diner owner in Attack of the Clones.
It just occurred to me that a Finn Vs Phasma final confrontation is something that generally happens in the final movie. I mean, it was already bad enough that Snoke was killed before the third movie in the trilogy but now it's just obvious that Rian Johnson is *really* not a team player. Kathleen Kennedy should've been furious at him, despite whatever political stances he holds, because he took every step to ruin the concept of a trilogy.
I see he directed some episodes of Breaking Bad. I'm surprised he didn't try to just end the entire series each time. I bet he thought of it, though: "I could just so easily make it so that the meth lab explodes and kills both of them. Dammit, why didn't they make me the writer, too? I have such good ideas."
KK bears a great deal of the responsibility for this mess -- she needed to make sure that there was a plan in place for a coherent trilogy
@@Pebkio_Nomare he directed the episode called ‘the fly’ where they spend the whole episode trying to kill a fly. It was the episode that made me stop watching the show. Found out years later it was ruin Johnson and I wasn’t even surprised haha
Poor mark Hamill looks traumatised in every interview. Jake Skywalker indeed
A commander is OBLIGATED to explain his orders so that his subordinates can understand the GOAL of said orders, that way they can execute personal initiative during battle conditions when communicating with a superior might be impossible or take too long to exploit a temporary opening. The idea, the merest thought that a commander does not need to explain orders is something only the stupidest amateurs could possibly justify. It's like someone got all they know about command from playing a Real-Time Strategy game.
Sun-Tzu said something akin to "when orders are unclear, the commander is at fault. When orders are clear, but not carried out, the subordinates are at fault". Notice the first half of that statement? Jesus, if the morons running Star Wars nowadats want to get gritty and "realistic", they least they could do is actually, yanno, study real ideas.
But given this movie was one big middle-finger to the fans of the original trilogy, are we surprised these half-brained fanfic authors in charge of the franchise couldn't even bother to conduct even the most basic of study?
I agree. A commander has every right to dispense or withhold information as they see fit, but if you can't even tell this plan to your first officer . . . if you inspire so little confidence in your crew that they are committing mutiny, then whatever "plan" you have doesn't matter any more. This forced story conflict wasted SO much time for no good reason.
RIGHT?! There was no reason to withhold that information. The only way that would have made sense would have been if Holdo was a mole. I mean, that's what I was thinking at first.
Dont worry. Thank fuck she's dead 👍
However, in Arab Armies, trust is nonexistent. Hence why they are dysfunctional. The Resistance is run like a Saudi Arabian army. They're supposed to be the good guys? No one seems to realize just how hyper efficient the First Order actually is. With 30 year old tech and an IOU budget, they managed to build a top rate navy, a WMD, and battalions of soldiers.
I like to think that new Star Wars movies are an elaborate movie adaptation of some Hearts of Iron 4 mods. First Order abused the broken Focus tree to shit, getting absurd boosts to production and research. And the Resistance/Rebellion is controlled by inept AI generals that spend most of their time rearranging positions of the ship rather than trying to achieve some sort of a strategic goal.
But yes, a commander withholding the objectives to such an extent is a fair ground for both demotion and forced stripping of rank. At this point ineptitude is unquestionable.
That "kill the past", Simba tried to do the same with the hakunaMatata and ended up getting a life lesson from a baboon that hit him with a stick revealing the things that happen in the past influences the future.
José Andrade this is so painfully ironic
José Andrade This movie needed an anthropomorphic baboon.
+Michael Sims *Snap*
Well this is a Disney film.
Hm, well spotted! Yoda hits Luke in the head with the stick and with all Yoda's insane cackling he is kinda like Rafiki. Curse you Disney.... curse you. #Notmystarwars
I was always amazed how many people took Kylo Ren’s words as gospel when he told Rey her parents were nothing. I had only one thought from the moment he said this: “How in the hell would he know? He didn’t know who Rey was just days before. This is nothing but another manipulation tactic to encourage her to sever ties with anything that could keep her holding on to something good.”
And that’s exactly what I thought it was, too! A final test in his apprentice training: become a master to his own apprentice. It was almost done, too, but no. Honestly, this is the only potential redeeming factor on that line. Kylo did a white lie to convince Rey that she had nothing and nobody… except him. Clearly it got into her head, but it was so under-explored it hurt more than it gave a glimmer of hope that there was passion behind this script and this series.
@@GuiSmith I’m glad someone else saw that.
Most people believed it because the writing was terrible. There’s no way that Ryan knows about the theory of mind.
@Jon Hesson It’s hard to have a twist when your story writers don’t have a plan, isn’t it? We know this trilogy was spitballed together, as inconceivable as that notion is for a trilogy of films that is also planned to be a trilogy. How do you plan a trilogy but not create a decisive through line and story arc for it? It’s so much incompetence on Kennedy’s part. As far as I’m concerned, the entire argument is a moot point when even the writers didn’t know what they were doing from one film to the next. There’s no twist without a plan because there’s no story without a plan.
@Jon Hesson It’s pretty pathetic. What’s worse though is I have a friend who told me he thinks Rise of Skywalker was “brilliant.”
They could've let Leia die there. A sudden, but dignified death.
But no. They *really* wanted to include her laughing with admiral gender studies, making her one of the worse military minds along purple hair.
How can you be proud of playing Phasma?
"First female villain in Star Wars"
Denker Bosu *laughs in Assaj ventress*
*Laughs in Darth Traya*
Because they had to sell a book telling how she dies. Wish I was kidding. The greed is hurting this series.
There is an EU book telling how she dies in this canon? Is that right?
"Ray defeats Luke Skywalker in combat"... that line right there, it just hurts.
@fer04i
Im not even a Star Wars fan, and it hurts me too 😞
Did she though? I don't like the movie at all either, but Luke disarmed her, he only fell back because he was surprised by her force pulling the lightsaber and igniting it
@@BlargeMan she was about to murder the man she needed for training, and he still attempts to train her. Weird.
If you think about it, it makes sense.
It’s very likely that an invincible goddess would defeat the Joker as an old man.
@@BlargeMan Cuz a veteran soldier, rebel leader and jedi master would fall over from a jump scare...
Rey’s parents were nobody... Snoke was nobody... Snoke was Rey’s dad! Confirmed
Take that Rian! You still can't kill the Snoke theories!
To actually indulge this for a second, that would be another interesting angle for this. Snoke was some Imperial remnant who rallied the First Order, dumped his Child on Jakku to rise through the ranks and used the Dark Side as a means to rise through their ranks. Maybe seeing how Kylo turned out from Snoke's grooming makes her question the value she placed on her past and family, gives her a foil to sympathize with (not forgive, but connect with and dissect) on how they bonded with the other's parent as a proper parental figure, a question of nature (their own choices) vs nurture (their teacher's influence, whether from Han, Luke, or both)
And that illustrates why Rian's dismissal is so bad. Not simply for the lack of a payoff at the reveal, but it cuts out interesting avenues for character development, even if the reveal doesn't have an impact on status directly, it can motivate actions or dynamics.
I caught a boner for a second off rey but its gone
@Un-broken and victorious That would be a nice reveal. BUT unfortunately Rian Johnson didn't care about any cool storyline, subverting expectations and dumb jokes is all we got...
Ma-Rey Sue was the spawn of Palpatine and Jar Jar.
Nobody brought Rey. Was Rey looking out for Nobody? You could say that in the next episode, they will find Nobody. Rey will be asked:
-"Who are you looking for?".
Then she will strike a pose, with her mouth open, and say: "Nobody".
-"No one? Anyone?"
She then press her teeth becoming anxious(mouth still opened): "Have you seen Nobody? I'm looking for Nobody!"
For the whole Force Ghosts being able to summon thunder and all that jazz, I refer everyone to a key line from The Empire Strikes Back:
Obi-Wan: If you choose to face Vader, you will do it alone. I can not interfere.
HE SAID IT RIGHT THERE IN THE FREAKING MOVIE! FORCE GHOSTS CAN NOT INTERFERE!
I guess Rian forgot that.
Forgot it or didn't care?
Forgot or didn’t know?
Force is female so ofc they can
I think that was more of a reference to splinter of the minds eye, in that book luke fights Vader in it and is possessed by the spirit of obi-wan due to the influence of the kaiburr crystal. The kaiburr crystal was able to magnify force sensitives by a thousand percent as long as they were in proximity to it in its temple and it allowed obi-wan to possess luke to aid him defeat Vader so he and Leia's can escape.
@@colinbielat8558 stop referring to the books. Those are post gov rationalizations of shit. Some of the books are decent, none of them matter one iota when discussing the movies.
Ha... imagine it. First Order boarding party fights it's way to Ackbars bridge. As soon as they arrive, he swivels in his chair... "It's a trap!" And self destructs the ship.
Eyes would roll but only to hide the tears.
Hell, maybe make someone in the First Order group say that.
They burst into the bridge, only to see Ackbar turn to face them...and he's holding a detonator of some sort in his hands. One of them sees it and realizes what Ackbar intends to do, starts to scream "It's a tra-" right as Ackbar triggers the detonator. Then we get a nice exterior shot of the ship exploding, and Ackbar gets a nice sendoff.
that's beautiful and awesome at the same time.
Ben Cochrane
Doug - Duuuuuuuude. I love the translation. I literally LOL'd. For 5 minutes.
Ben Cochrane normally that would detract from the real emotion of the scene but since The Last Jedi does that many times anyway, that would somehow fit
Man, whenever Mark Hamill is talking about the changes in his character, he seems really afflicted, even breathing heavily as if he is about to have some sort of breakdown. Maybe Im exaggerating, but he seems to be suffering for real, so sad.
Glad i'm not the only one who thought that. The poor man.
He is
It's a shame. Even if he is just another crank on Twitter lol.
Actors can (don't need to, but can) become _extremely_ attached to their characters. It isn't unusual for actors who actually care about the story they are working on to spend time talking with the director and/or writers about how the character thinks, their personality, their emotions... Mark Hamil is most likely the person on Earth who _best_ understands what Luke's character was in the OT, because of this; for him, seeing Jake Skywalker most likely hurts like it does nobody else.
@@mordirit8727 jake Skywalker 😭😭😭😭
"What a misguided fan fiction this is" The last Jedi summed up beautifully in a single sentence.
Jay Dowg yes.
When I saw the blue milk scene, I thought, "this is fetish porn."
Dude please, I’ve read fanfiction FAR better then this shit.
Loving the disney trilogy = confessing your own dementia
😬
@@clarkkent4245 oof size = large
Listening to the phasma actor at the end of the video actually killed me
She legit talked for a good minute there and said absolutely nothing other than "oh my god, its amazing that I am a female actor"
Seemed more like a kid who answered an exam question to fill space. She didn't seem proud doing it.
She thinks evil characters are "progressive", that the audience wants to see themselves as those evil characters or at least relate to them. The only conclusion I can reach is that the actor who played Phasma is herself evil.
My problem with Rey's parents being nobody isn't the idea itself, but that it serves no purpose. Okay, she has no lineage to any established greats. Fine. Then set up a theme about making your own destiny and how fate isn't ruled by geneology. Instead, TLJ seems to make this reveal almost solely for the meta purpose of trolling fan theories. Okay, great, Rian, you've subverted expectations, but you've also sabotaged your own movie.
I legitimately would like it the most for the next movie if it turned out Kylo was lying to demoralize Rey and make her think "joining me is all you can do with yourself."
The movie handled this aspect so poorly I legitimately am begging the next one to go BACK to this overdone cliche of "hero has legendary lineage/destiny"
papershadow69 With JJ taking over the reigns on ep 9, I'm almost certain that he will retcon Rey's background in some way. The way Kylo worded it does leave the door open to a pretty easy setup that he was lying, like you say. And Rey seriously needs some kind of something to flesh out her character more at this point, or she is going to be forgotten as quickly as she was invented. Kylo was right about one thing... at that point in the story, she pretty much was a nothing. But not within the internal logic of the universe, in terms of how she was written. She desperately needs more character development. Ep 8 was her chance to get that and Rian Johnson blew it on corny, half-assed nonsense.
@@papershadow I wish you luck in the theatre when you watch it. I'm done with watching that crap on the big screen.
I agree. Here’s another idea: how about her parents are still junkers, but it turns out that she was one of the students at the Jedi temple that day and no one realized that she survived that day (Luke because of grief/cut off from the force and Kylo because of rage and leaving the planet asap). She represses these painful childhood memories yet the more she connects with the force, the closer she comes to the truth. Perhaps her parents dropped her off because they couldn’t understand her “freakish” powers that caused problems or they sell her for money, she escapes and comes across the Jedi temple where Luke takes her in. So many of the things set up in TFA would still make sense (especially her powers/skills), and she would have a significant connection to the story, yet she doesn’t have to have a famous bloodline.
That would’ve been really interesting and more satisfying. The problem with TLJ isn’t that they just said her parents were “nobody”, it is that they said her parents do not even matter and no longer have any impact on the story.....given the way Rian handled it and moved right along.
Or maybe Rey is Han and Leia's daughter and Kylo is her brother.
Hahah Rey's "flaws" sound a lot like me at a job interview..
What are some of your weaknesses ?
I care too much, and I work too hard.
Is it better to be feared or loved? I want people to fear how much they love me!
yes... but is your greatest fear that you won't be able to die for all our sins... because jesus was born first. :3
Why would a person hire you ask your weaknesses thats illegal
@@dragonballtalk8527 You've never had a job interview, have you?
@@FlyfishermanMike yes ive never been asked my weaknesses.ive been asked when can u start when are u available what was your last job etc.not Sir tell me your weaknesses kinda spooky and weird question
The fact that so many of us are willing to sit through 3 feature length videos critiquing a single movie should be evidence enough of Disney & Rian Johnson's failure.
Do they understand what they've done? I'm still fuming.
Mick Kenny or your stupidity...
do you want to elaborate on that? or is explaining why you say something so difficult you can only manage one sentence for a reply?
They probably do and just dont fucking care. They'll continue to bastardise any franchise they can get their sticky mits on and milk it until it stops giving them money, which given the response to the Han Solo movie should be any day now for Star Wars
Unfortunately, they could also just dismiss all of this as “trolling” or just say that the fans don’t know what they’re talking about. I wish they would listen, but so far, it seems like that won’t be the case.
I love the whole who is Rey related to segment, when mauler is talking about if she was the granddaughter of palatine and what that could’ve meant for her character. Oh this aged so well and oh so horribly at the same time.
Fun fact, in the original star wars lore jumping into hyperspace was jumping into a DIFFERENT DIMENSION that was kinda like jumping into a wormhole to get to some place faster. This in itself had extensive lore from terrifying creatures to an entire civilization being trapped in said dimension.
It's impossible to ram ships with hyperdrive because you're LITERALLY IN ANOTHER DIMENSION DURING IT.
Well throw it on the plot hole pile
@@granite6760 more like he didn't care
@@cursedgaraged5801 it would be a mountain by now
I heard someone refer to hyper space as a moving sidewalk and my world is shattering
Exactly. That's why it's called hyperspace and not hyperspeed! The name hyperspace is pretty self-explanatory.
12:50 - _"This is a kind of Stockholm Syndrome you deal with when people love something unconditionally."_
I love *actual* Star Wars damn near unconditionally. You know, stuff like the Expanded Universe.
This movie was not that. This shit can burn.
LightningNC Except he's not referring to you.
He's referring to the actual people who defend the movie. Well, I say defend, they usually just attack the fans or the other movies, but that's besides the point.
In order to defend it, they have to make major leaps in logic in order to attempt to explain how the movie can possibly function, leaps they would not make for an ordinary movie. So, in that respect, it's absolutely like SS.
King Edward "Longshanks" I, Hammer of the Scots, Lord of Wales and King of England And I love all these people saying that the originals had similar flaws. As if that excuses things in the new movies when said flaws are so much worse here.
Unconditional love does not exist. There's always a condition......
Personally I dont care about fan or critique opinions. Instead I consider the opinion of the most average movie goer and non fan: my mother. After we watched the last Jedi the only thing she said to me was : the previews looked good.
I think it says everything about how really mediocre the movie was....
Burn it......Burn it ALL!!!!!
Rian Johnson has actually “answered” people’s questions about the scene where Holdo uses hyperspace to destroy the ships. He said that it had never been done before because it was just such a crazy idea, and that Holdo “pulled it out of her butt”. I am not kidding. He basically acknowledged that it was a ridiculous deus ex machina, and saw nothing wrong with that. Good GOD.
Except it kinda was done before if only by accident. In Rogue One no less
Meanwhile we can’t have Luke get off his planet because raising his X-Wing out of the water would not make sense. Among other things.
Schinak They didn't hyperdrive through a fucking ship in Rouge One, they came out of lightspeed and appeared in front several ships. Not even remotely the same thing.
+SolarDragon007 Keep trying. They came out right in front of the ship and HOldo would have to do the same to cause PHYSICAL damage since you don't HIT things in hyperdrive >_> The stunt is bullshit. There is no defense
BY the old logic of Star Wars, hyperspace is an alternate dimension so you wouldn't collide with ships in hyperspace., but you can now because it's a convenient Deus Ex Machina. Plus there was 25,000 years of Hyperspace technology in Star Wars, if you could use hyperspace kamikaze, someone would have already done it during all the years and all the wars.
It's kind of interesting to see how the prequels have aged remarkably well.
Sure there's plenty of wooden acting, clunky dialogue and extremely cheesy parts, but what separates it from the sequels is that it was built with HEART. It had a story to tell and tried to do something different with the formula, even if it failed-sometimes enormously- in parts.
The sequels are lazy, badly-crafted retreads of the OT that can't even copy it's good parts correctly and the few nuggets of interest- Snoke's history with the original power trio, Kylo Ren, Rey's mysterious heritage, Finn's life and circumstances to his conscription and development after his defection- are so thoroughly buried in a putrid slurry of shit it's difficult to see them.
What an utter waste.
In short, the Prequels did something. The Sequels did nothing.
Lol I love them, I find all the cheesy bits add to their charm!
"Putrid slurry of shit"
Haha, love it! I will be using this
Yeaaa but they're still terrible movies. Can't judge a movie solely on its intent or its ideas.
@@highdefinition450 They are not terrible movies by today's standard.
This movie proves Johnsons inability to write movies but he has some really significant directing issues.
When Kylo kills Snoke the lightsaber flies directly into Rey’s hand and you get a shot that goes to her. So it becomes a moment of victory for the Disney princess instead of a moment to see how Kylo reacts. The moment is about Kylo, is he happy, relieved, satisfied, free? No, Johnson just completely misunderstands his own scene.
Planet G Woow I didn't realize that. Yes!!! Maybe that's why it felt even less of an epic scene for me.
I'd disagree. Kylo directs the lightsaber into Rey's hand with the force.
The shot that goes to her displays her surprise that Kylo Ren chose to help her after all. It wasn't meant to seem like a moment of victory that belonged to her, and nothing about the editing spoke to me, or anyone else I've heard talk about the scene, that it was meant to be about "her victory".
I don't agree that we really needed to see Kylo Ren's reaction to his accomplishment at that very moment. We can already assume he's satisfied to accomplish his goal. There's no reason to assume he's somehow disappointed.
At the moment of the scene, Kylo is completely focused on the now, which at that point, instantly becomes having to fight off Snoke's elite guards.
The seriousness and focus from his facial expression, as well as the ignition of his own lightsaber, serve to communicate to Rey that now is the time to fight back together. And we see that she recognizes this, since, once noticing these gestures, she turns around immediately to fight alongside Kylo Ren back to back.
The moment (after killing Snoke) was a moment of victory for Kylo, but it is clearly ABOUT him saving Rey, and her/him having to then fight together to defeat Snoke's elite guards.
He's been a shitty writer since Brick. Looper was even more obvious how inept of a screenwriter he is.
So it was no fucking surprise to me that he fucked this film up.
Like how he cuts away when Luke asks where Han is? That’s not important enough to show. No sir.
I actually like how they cut away to Kylo Ren when Luke asks where Han is, reminding the audience of who's responsible for Han's death.
However, what I don't like, is that Luke never returns to the subject of Han, or discusses how he'll miss him, etc. I've heard rumors that apparently there was a scene or two relating to this subject, but it was deleted. Quite unfortunate honestly.
Hearing the creators of the Sequel Trilogy say that Poe needs to learn to “blindly follow authority” tells me they know nothing about Star Wars because the entire story of the Prequels was about how blindly following orders from the Senate led to the fall of the Jedi.
Right, and the OT was literally centered around a rebellion...
But always just blindly follow authority, lol.
One of the most compelling and dark arcs of the Clone Wars involved the 501st taking Planet Umbara. When Anakin is called back to Coruscant, he’s replaced by a Jedi named Pong Krell as their commanding officer. Krell clearly doesn’t like clones, and sends Rex and his men on increasingly more and more dangerous missions (even when more viable strategies present themselves.)
throughout the arc, Rex and Fives go on suicide mission after suicide mission, only surviving because of their training and daring ingenuity in a hopeless situation, and while neither is happy, as captain, Rex is trying to keep his men together on the basis that Krell is a decorated commander and war hero.
SPOILER ALERT from here on, but when Rex is sent forward, told that the enemy has stolen clone weapons and armor and plans to infiltrate their ranks, the 501st gets into a skirmish, only to discover that they had been killing other clones who had also been told about enemies in disguise... Krell had sent them to kill one another...
As it turns out, Pong Krell foresaw the rise of Palpatine and planned to become a Jedi defector, purposely sabotaging his own men... and he admits he was RELYING on the Clones trusting him and blindly following his orders to the end...
Rex’s loyalty, which is usually a virtue in other episodes, became the reason why many good clones died... The Last Jedi must have missed the memo...
Those aren't the creators, that's the Redlettermedia bunch.
When if people think something isn't right they should question authority not blindly obey it. And according to Rian the Poe and Holdo scene was supposed to be her flirting with him. No wonder the man's surname is Johnson because he clearly thinks with it.
@S W “good soldiers follow orders…”
17:03 _"Kylo's speech then moves to _*_'killing the past in order to discover what you are.'_*_ "_
Heh heh. I didn't think Disney would be so blatant about their intentions that they would actually include it as a line in a Star Wars movie. This is literally what Disney wants to do with the original trilogy and characters. Kill it off. Even though Disney owns the property, they'll never feel truly comfortable with it unless they can take it in whatever direction they want. This is also why they rejected the Expanded Universe.
I love how Ryan thought it was necessary to have a message about child labor being bad in a world where most developed nations outlawed it decades ago
Maybe Ryan regularly visits the middle east?
He thought Kony 2012 was still a thing
In fairness a lot of US states are rolling back regulations in that regard
ye. thats obviously why its in there. To teach people its bad... cant just be there to have us dislike them and justify whatever bad happens to them?
@@jmurray1110While the major culprits receive no backlash.
Why is everything always accused with a look cast at the States?
It's like being told that America needs to be "green" while other countries are environmental Hellscapes and never get a visit from activists.
"Hey I made you lunch".
- "But this is a dog turd on a plate!"
"Stop nit-picking and just enjoy it."
Lol
"Lol get subverted idiot"
Sounds a bit like Amy's Baking Company from the American version of Kitchen Nightmares. Amy the owner was a lunatic who was convinced God wanted her to be a cook, couldn't accept her food was badly made and tasted like shit, thought people giving her restaurant bad reviews just wanted to destroy her business for a laugh, anyone who didn't like her food was accused of just not being used to eating food that didn't come from a can. And when Gordon Ramsay went there to help her she ignored all of his advice because unlike every other restaurant on the show who legitimately wanted Gordon to help them Amy and her husband Samy expected Gordon to immediately think their food was great after tasting it which in their minds would shut the people who disliked their food up. But when Ramsay saw that Amy's food was as shit as everyone else knew it was she and Samy went into "You're an idiot and you don't know what you're doing because you didn't tell us what we wanted to hear" mode.
@@Xehanort10 The first restaurant that Gordon just straight up abandoned. He couldn't save them, because they refused to be saved on every single turn.
You'll be happy to hear that ABC closed down back in 2015, unfortunately it wasn't because the food was as shitty as the owners. But I doubt Amy will be helming something as big as ABC for the forseeable future. (I hope)
It's worse than that, because you had to PAY to see this movie. So this is like paying for a meal, and the meal turning out to be dog shit. It's bad enough to waste people's time with crap, but to charge them for the privilege should be criminal.
"First female villain", I am sorry, is Asaj Ventress no longer cannon?
I think Disney buying Star Wars meant ret conning the expanded universe, don't quote me on that though.
+Scizor For Hire
Asaj Ventress is not part of the extended universe. She was in the Clone Wars, which was still canon when Disney bought Star Wars. I am not sure if Disney has retconed it since then, but it was still canon when Disney bought it.
she is canon (Clone Wars and Rebels are canon) but has never appeared in a live action movie. She also stopped being a villain at one point.
She is canon, but they then killed her in a shitty book (Dark Disciple) lol
Plus, if we're only talking about the films, there's also the assassin that Jango Fett hires to kill Padme in Attack of the Clones.
What you are doing is really great....Disney killed Star Wars.
You are like a priest overseeing the funeral. Putting it in a grave. Setting up a headstone. With your hard work, we can put this to rest and move on with our lives.
We are here to pay our respects to a once-great franchise
I see his role as more of a coroner than a priest. Looking over the corpse, identifying what killed it and explaining the significance.
Here lies The Star Wars
1977-2017
"It's like poetry; it rhymes."
--George 'Flannel-Man' Lucas
Its an autopsy
Star wars is dead and nothing is going to bring it back
But you got to find out what killed it
The Saga was complete in 2005. Disney are just killing their own forgery.
Here's an example of subversion of expectations that works: Indy shooting the large swordsman while he's swinging his sword about menacingly in Raiders of the Lost Ark. However, that character hasn't been built up as an important character to the story. The lack of characterization doesn't hurt in that case, unlike Snoke. He's just there for a funny gag and to show how cool and nonchalant Indy is. (And yeah, I know why they did the scene that way, with Harrison Ford being sick being the reason.)
I really related to Phasma when she dropped the shields in Force Awakens and let all her comrades get incinerated. What a great character
That's what all leaders and special forces are trained to do... be individuals and endanger their fellow soldiers at the benefit of personal safety. (Absolute genius)
Did the writers never see any training videos of soldiers? They're broken down to be a cog and to be a unit, at the expense of the individual. That's why they "serve", both their country and their superiors/peers. They don't even need to see any videos, just look at any patriot or veteran. Especially since they live in the U.S. where there's so many of them.
@@SkyNinja759 this.
@@turtleanton6539 this?
@@shazzboz this…?
Not gonna lie, I unashamedly shouted, "You have the Force!!" when Kylo was supposedly being choked by that guard.
TLJ would be more fun to watch if I could yell at the screen in the theater.
Alex The Last Jedi is literally worthy of Mystery Science Theater 3000 for all that I saw of it on Mauler's videos. It might be even more if I saw it in theaters which I am glad I didn't.
Lol that got on my nerves. They just don't want to give him any credit.
Alex preach it!
The fight with the guards did briefly remove my boredom watching this shitfest, but I couldn't shake the question why Snoke's guards cared to fight Kylo when their protectee was just cut the fuck in half.
"Good bye slaves. You will be punished because I tried to murder your bosses. Good luck." Love from Rose Tico, Disney Star Wars
"You also have months and months of whippings and lack of sleep to look forward to, while you clean up our mess."
"'Kill the past' is being looked at as 'forget the past'." I completely agree, you know what movie handled this much better in a realistic sort of way? "Ah yes, the past can hurt, but the way I see it; you can either run from it or learn from it."
Which movie was that from?
"it doesn't matter, it's in duh past"
The lion king@@occam7382
The Lion King, baby!
Paused at the "Hux slaps Finn" part to come down here and say that every time I see Hux, all I can think is that Molly Weasley would kick his ass for behaving like this.
Underrated comment
Oh right, I forgot he played Bill. Molly is too wholesome for the Star Wars universe. It doesn't deserve her.
I’d rather deal with Snoke than an angry Molly Weasley! 🤣
@@bookbarbros5450 lmfao
Ok, so, I came across your videos totally by accident from a Google search about the last jedi as I was finding it particularly funny how major journalists from the likes of Forbes were writing really long defensive stories about it daily for quite a while into the new year. When I left the cinema after my midnight screening of TLJ I was wowed by the pretty explosions but after discussing it with my friend before we parted ways I couldn't commit to saying if I'd liked it or not. There was a lot of spectacle but I couldn't shake the feeling that someone had just held my eyes open and poured a gallon of liquid shit into each one and it had gotten into my brain and my body was rebelling. After a period of quiet reflection I decided that not only was it an awful star wars movie but it was an awful movie overall.
I found your videos to be an absolute joy. Your points are all valid and as you've said they're easily proved and can be presented mostly as fact. Couple this with your deadpan delivery and monotone drawl over it and I have laughed a lot during them, in fact I think this is the funniest thing I've watched in ages. I'm definitely going to watch your other content and give it a try even though I've not played dark souls so it will probably go over my head! I've also subscribed. Keep the videos coming!
Erm... What?
Luke almost kills Kylo in his sleep to save everything he loves, then he decides to run away and let Kylo kill everything he loves. What?
Well.........when you put it that way.....
Because every action in this movie ( except Snoke's trick against Rey) is stupid and doomed to utter failure. Why? Because FAILURE is the best teacher. Like every other point in this movie they were trying to beat us over the head with it.
@@daverobson3084 no failure isn't the best teacher and this shite movie does a horrible job of showing this point
@@JohnDoe-vw4zf Failure is a great teacher. I learn plenty more when I get something wrong than when I get it right.
This movie just shy of literally beat the audience over the head with "failure is the best teacher" and " kill the past". They wouldn't know subtlety if it bit them on the collective ass.
@@daverobson3084 I've learned better under mentorship and other's previous experiences better which brings me an important question for this movie. Why are seasoned characters surprised by old challenges? This movie takes war vets and pits them against their old enemies and they act surprised by it till new characters remind them of the previous solution. Why do this? Why do they have to make competent characters act retarded.
The biggest failure of Rian...
Having Luke mention a third lesson in the film
Cutting the third lesson completely and putting it on the DVD extras
Spending so much time on Rose mourning her sister's death
Cutting Luke mourning Hans death and putting it on the DVD extras
It's almost as if Rian hates Luke Skywalker 🤔
That's the communist coming out of him.
Did you actually buy the dvd? Lol…
The part with the enslaved kids is so jarring in this movie. Rose talks about how she grew up in those conditions, right? The FO took over her planet and worked everyone to death to strip mine all resources. All these fat cats grew wealthy on the backs of labour, and here are these kids. That's where her thoughts should go, I'd think...
During the animal abuse scene, we're treated to a glimpse of a kid about to get whipped. When they abandon the mission for a code breaker to set the animals free, we see those kids are SLEEPING in the stables with them. But, she gives them a ring, says "Hey don't rat us out" and runs off with the all the animals those kids are tasked with caring for, apparently 24/7 if they're sleeping in the stalls with them. What did she think would happen to them after...? When the guards say "Hey two people broke in and set every animal free, why didn't you push the warning button? It's beating O' clock for all of you, now!"
The first place Rose and Finn go once jailbreaking on doghorseback is the beach, to the ship they came in on, still...parked illegally for some reason. So, tossing them in jail for the violation is fine, but they didn't tractorbeam tow away the ship...? But I digress. Rose and Finn moved to escape immediately. If escape was the first plan, why not take the kids with you?
At the end, the slave kids are in the same place. Slave master breaks up the toys and bellows at them to go back to work...sweeping up hay and animal droppings. BACK TO TAKING CARE OF THE ANIMALS THAT ESCAPED. Besides dropping CasinoPlanet reviews for a month, nothing changed at all.
My answer to all of your questions is a simple and exact one: Rian Johnson is a unleashed moron with the critical thinking skills of an six year old femanazi. The writing in this movie is so bad, at the next Razzies Award, they should just present Rian with a handicap parking decal. Even the infamous Halle Barry Catwoman, even Tommy Wiseau’s The goddamn Room had a more coherent story than this $200 million dollar endeavor. It boggles my mind that possibly over a 1,000 people were involved in this film and no one told Reeee-an Johnson that literally every action by any character (except Poe) makes no sense. This is more than just a bad movie, this is quite literally a giant disaster on virtually every conceivable level. This movie should replace Plan 9 From Outer Space as the worst movie ever made solely due to the raging dumpster fire that is this story.
I hope this helps answer your very good questions, you deserved a better movie. We all did.
Happy Chihuahua please don't blame Ryan Johnson on the feminists.
Poedacrow Great points brought up, lol free the animals but fuck the poor kids who are slaves and gonna get whipped and beaten badly maybe even some killed because of useless Finn and Lady Shrek Rose’s actions. Oh my God!!! Nonsense!!!!!
Poedacrow and what happened to utilizing droids? I can see poor backward planets using slaves and gangsters like jaba, but a rich planet?
@Ylenia_Zanghi
*with* the critical thinking skills of an six year old *feminazi*
Funny hearing him talk about the palpatine theory after having seen episode 9
St.PatrickStar Well he did assume Palpatine was dead during the events of the sequels. The sequels are just separate adventures with similar characters. Like the clone wars if the clone wars was horrendously botched and in chronological order
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Too bad they didn't actually do ANYTHING with it, especially considering everything Mauler came up with.
Also the “snoke is a clone” theory.
He even mentions “wouldn’t be surprised if JJ abrams runs with that idea
@@killerkitten7534 Crackpot theory: What if JJ watches MauLer??
What's really depressing is that Laura Dern might now be remembered as purple hair and not Dr Sattler from Jurassic Park which is a truly great film.
I hope not. People should remember good movies that changed the game, not catastrophic failures.
@@pyroshayniac1090 Sadly, we remember bad things better than good things.
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Why not remember both? Remember the good as places to climb to and enjoy, and the bad as pitfalls to avoid and to learn what not to do.
@@haydentravis3348 will you ever forget Jurassic park though?
Or the mom in F is for Family. That's a great series!
why am i re-watching this, I've seen more times than the actual film, much more entertaining!
It's so dense with information that you WANT to watch it again, and it's so well put together it's captivating.
Ive watched the movie once in the movie theater and tried to watch it one more time but I cant get through the crank call // bomb bay doors opening scene without going ballistic. Ive watched Maulie's 3 videos over and over and over again. Love them.
@@hariman7727 and the same cant be said for the movie itself
@@sayLeotardbutsayitChinese indeed.
In regards to the Canto Bight plot line, and your musings about what happens to the racing animals and how releasing them ( especially without knowing anything about them) being misleading. In our county, several years ago, someone, or , more likely , some group, took it upon themselves to try to free all of the mink from a farm to keep them from being used for coats. Not knowing anything about these violent little animals they simply opened dozens of cages and left the door to the building open. Well, since mink are prone to infighting the first thing that the newly freed weasels did was attack each other. When workers arrived in the morning they found a room full of fur, blood, and dead and dying mink. Most of them had died in a intraspecies melee . Later it was discovered that a handfull had actually escaped as they were establishing a population . A population that is now preying on native species( mink are not native to the area). So. The net result was most of the mink that the well meaning rescuers tried to free ended up mauling and murdering each other, most likely far more violently and painfully than what was already in store for them, and a rising population of a predatory alien species that now threatens the natural balance in the area( had a coworker whose pond was totally depleted of fish because mink had taken to fishing them).
Well meaning, but naive.
Nice example and adding, but we don't need to go this far on the subject. The guards of Canto Bight have SPACESHIPS. I bet that, in less than 12 hours, all those racing aliens were back in their posts, since, you know, they never left the planet.
I know this is a pretty late reply to this comment but I'm 99% sure they're blatantly lying to you. They credit Ruin Johnson as the only writer. No way is that actually the case. He contributed, but I'm damn sure Kathleen Kennedy had her lauded "all female writers team" handed a checklist of all the things she wanted in the movie, said female staff(with no knowledge of the SW universe) went ahead and wrote a lot of it, then handed it to Rian who finished fleshing it out.
Most of that is conjecture on my part, but you can be certain that Rian was not the only writer. He was the fall guy in case the agenda-pushing didn't go according to plan...lo and behold, it didn't.
shrinkshooter it's probably even in his contract to take the blame
Adrijana Radosevic it's the writing and the sjw agenda that makes it bad not the actual women.
Rian Johnson is a better writer than this. I’m not saying he’s perfect, I prefer his direction over his writing, but he’s *way* better than this. Looper isn’t great, but it’s infinitely better thought out than The Last Jedi.
"How would Rey respond to being the grand-daughter of a bloodthirsty murderer?"
Pretty well, apparently. Didn't seem to bother her at all after she mary-sue'd her way to victory and poached the main character's name from over 6 fucking movies.
"Barely, inconvenience"
She should of used palpertine name to turn it around to be good
Should have been Rey Sheevkiller.
Rey: it wasn’t that bad Actually.
lol, I scrolled down to the comments just for this one.
What makes Rey a Mary Sue is that she effortlessly impresses the OT heroes. She flies the Falcon (and fixes it) better than Han and Chewie. She beats Luke and impresses him with her force power. She connects instantly with Leia and comforts her, even though there was no previous relationship. Mary Sue originally came from fan-fiction where the writer placed a thinly-disguised version of herself into the world and everyone instantly loves her and wants to be her friend. Yes, this is usually because she is perfect, but the dynamic of impressing established characters is the primary and the perfection is the secondary characteristic of a Mary Sue.
And the only characters who have any problem with the Mary Sue are evil meanies.
23:31: Force Ghost Lore breaking
27:31 Theme of Morality in Star Wars
47:45 Rey's flaws as perfect character
1:15:30 the throne room fight
1:28:26 Holdo Maneuver
Thanks…the makers of the sequel trilogy had to virtually ignore force ghosts, otherwise the sequels don’t happen…Ben Solo won’t turn to the dark side if force ghost Anakin talks him out of it…Luke won’t leave the Jedi order if force ghosts Obi Wan, Anakin and Yoda speak with him
The point here is: if making the sequels clash against the lore, don’t make them
But there was too much money to be made by making these films, so the lore had to be ditched
speaking of the Holdo Maneuver and evacuating everyone... how does the First Order NOT notice that all the life signs were vanishing?
Hamill looks like he's gonna have a heart attack poor guy...i felt the same way in the theater
"Why is any of this is in my star wars film?" -- THANK YOU!
Again, the problem is not that message being there. We see the same in Episode I with the whole slavery thing, the quote "The republic doesn't exist out here" said by Shmi Skywalker, the fact that she is a sacrificed mother that has done everything in her power to keep her child safe without any reward, and how Watto loses everything for his greed, but no one cared, and it wasn't even that well-written, but it had synergy with the story, it feel part of it. Here it's just something added for no reason at all, an entire plot line that goes nowhere, just because.
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Another thing I would point out is how....well, I can't think of any other word except *creepy* for when Holdo and Leia talk about Poe. I mean really: two generals standing over the stunned, unconscious body of someone they just shot, a person who is one of their pilots, one of their subordinate officers, someone of the opposite fucking gender, and they're talking about how *cute* he is?
Yea, it's fucking creepy, especially when at this point, the audience is more likely than not on Poe's side and are still getting over the fact that Holdo was supposedly right. All I could think of at that scene is Poe is probably going to be posting #MeToo on his Facebook feed in the near future.
scottski02 If it were 2 men, you'd hear a onslaught of sexual harassment and sexist behavior for the characters. Women get away with everything in movies these days.
It would have been fine (and a good way for the audience to connect with Holdo) if had been more of a reflective moment for her, as in while staring at Poe she tells Leia, with true penitence and guilt, that this mutiny could have been prevented if she hadn't been so difficult and deliberately obtuse with her soldiers.
But no, let's have her make a stupid joke instead. If the tone in this movie was any more imbalanced it would be in the middle of the ocean during a hurricane.
Here's my male version of the Bechdel Test: if two women are saying something on film that would get them and/or the filmmakers crucified if the sexes were reversed, the film has failed. Indeed *this movie actually fails the Bechdel Test!* When two women converse in this film, it's about a man!
Shh, didn't you hear? Vagina possessors are allowed to do _anything!_ Especially in this frachise, as of late...
Yerflua The thing I love most about this fucked-up test is that this conversation would pass it:
"Omigod, babe, did you watch last night's Kardashians?"
"Did I? Honey, just gotta get myself these panties Kendall wore there! *TIHIHIHIHI!"*
But this one would instead fail miserably:
"I have spoken to the Secretary last week and he assured me of the Republicans' full endorsement of the harbor expansion bill."
"In exchange for the Democrats' support for the tax cut for the wealthiest, I presume?"
One thing i wanna add to jedi fights: We know from the OT and the Prequels that Jedi can see into the future. So the fights are naturally not only swordfights with lightsabers, they are fights were two force sensitive characters are constantly trying to out-predict their opponent. Its only logical the fights look different than real life
Oh wow, i never thought about it that way.
01:32:55 "It doesn't matter, it was only a movie; it was visually marvelous."
Are people honestly defending this scene with _that_ logic? That line of thinking has been mocked sore by every capable reasoning being in history, because it reduces storytelling to the level of jingling keys in a toddler's face. What has this film done to critical standards!?
That's the standard for most mainstream movies nowadays. It really saddens me to see that people are being treated as children and are happy about it.
Even the screenwriters realized that most people don't give a shit about writing anymore so they just go with the superficial elements like visuals and sounds.
That's why things like Transformers and Fast and Furious make fuck tons of money. That's why Disney can get away with redoing their classics. They know that people would just appreciate the pretty lights and loud sounds...
Exactly. It's not a recent trend. The box office returns speak volumes. If you can make billions with mere moments, visuals and playing up emotional reactions, why bother really putting in effort? No point in trying if the audience is gonna see it anyway.
There's still plenty of people with higher standards. Not everything needs to be something that will make you have to think but it's still worth trying to captivate your audiences even with only a little bit of thinking.
Who cares if the Nazis were bad they dressed really nice.(it's a bit of a drastic difference and even a little stupid.)
Silver Grove hey most kids are smart but that’s the minority
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Fast and Furious writing is smarter than Disney Wars though, at least it knows that it's dumb action schlock and doesn't try to hamhandedly have 2DEEP4ME THEMES like TLJ.
"First female villain"
Assaj Ventress : : Rheeeee
Night Sisters : : Collective rheeee
If you want to, you could even count EV-9D9 - the torture droid in Jabba's Palace from RotJ
Just forget it. They don't care. They just sound bites to placate to identity politics.
to be fair the night sisters werent villains, they just lived on their planet, oftin aiding close friends, but remaining neutral. are some of the things they do fucked up? yes. but i wouldn't call them villans per-say
Cartoons don't count.
Shit characters from a shit show.
I always find the "forget the past" thing a stupid life lesson. You learn from the past...forgetting the past means you have learn nothing from the mistakes made in the past.
SMAXZO Agreed. "Move forward" is better lesson; but "forget the past" is dumb.
SMAXZO You are forgetting, this is a post-modernist movie, with a post-modernist message.
SuperNoone89 No it was supposed to be a clever metaphor for Disney killing off everything of the past Star Wars but it wasn’t clever and kinda made me angry.
The Lion King did a much better job of teaching people how to deal with their troubled past; Rafiki tells you 'The past can hurt, but you can either run from it, or learn from it.' And guess what? That was a Disney movie. How have Disney become so fucked up?
If you remember the past you can't rewrite it for those in the future
You nailed it, this movie's take on defense contractors is the perspective of a child. Especially when Benicio literally shows Finn an X Wing and says "They sell to both sides", confirming that they don't favor the bad guys. The good guys need weapons too. The Resistance would be stuck fighting with sticks and rocks if those arms dealers on Canto Bight didn't exist.
Relate to Capitan phasma?
Because of her actions?
And her character?
But she's evil, cruel, and abusive to her troops.
She isn't a cool or interesting character she's stupid and "dies" in 2 movies
If she returns in episode 9 she'll probably die then because it's the 3rd movie
But at that point it's comedic how often this supposedly strong character dies
And, if we're to judge her by her actions in TFA, she's also a deeply unreliable coward.
@@electricbayonet2 exactly
What a terrible character
Phasma is literally just a genderbent Kenny McCormic at this point. I'm not even exaggerating either: her face is never shown, she barely does anything, and only exists to "die" every episode as a running gag.
@@joshuakim5240 oh my god they killed phasma
@@bastionunitb7388
Finn: "Oh my god, i killed Phasma!"
Stormtroopers: "You traitor!"
"Let the past die, kill it if you must."
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
THERE YOU GO!
For instance, most countries that become socialist countries end up falling. And there's a socialist movement in America today. What does that say to you?
@@christiancrusader9374 it says buy guns and ammo and shoot the mother fuckers
@christian crusader Why you gotta bring politics into everything? Go cry to a therapist, I'll pray for you. 😭😭😭
@@christiancrusader9374 who cares about the USA? Its not the only country in the world. my God
~45:45 - To say "I bypassed the compressor!" in fixing something on the Millenium Falcon is like your car mechanic saying "I bypassed the valves!" in explaining how he got your car engine to start up. Bypassing critical equipment like that is impossible.
So maybe the look on Han’s face isn’t that of a person being impressed, but rather as someone who is befuddled when they find out their girlfriend found a way to buy the “blinker fluid” for her turn signal that you were kidding about.
Sometimes things like that can work as a short-term solution. Some systems exist in order to avoid putting undue strain on the structure, or to automate certain forms of control that are almost always wanted. Ripping out some part as a bypass MIGHT be a good solution to an immediate problem. I'm not a mechanic, but in biological terms, adreneline allows humans to bypass the usual limits we put on our body when our life is on the line. We don't normally act at our full strength, because it's very harmful to do so.
This even makes sense as something Rey would know as a scavenger. She'd be used to working with faulty systems, and systems that were almost completely decayed anyway. And she'd be use to replacing whatever systems were damaged by various bypasses.
Now, I doubt the writer put that much thought into it, but it can be justified after the fact.
Like bypassing the carburetor on a 1990's jeep wrangler to allow better fuel mix ratios and making it more efficient. Or removing the thermostat to bypass a coolant leak.
@@barrybend7189 are you suggesting that removing a thermostat would bypass a leak? Or is that an example of the nonsensical nature of bypassing a compressor?
Amusingly, in the EU, it was stated on several separate occasions that Han and Chewie had added so much crap to the Falcon while repairing it over the years that it could actually work without one or two subsystems. Han would literally rip out some cables from above him when something would break in the middle of a space firefight and the Falcon would still fly normally. xD I have no idea if that bit inspired this bullshit in the sequels (I mean, wouldn't surprise me, considering how much they copied and pasted into their scrips from EU without much thought), but in EU, even if it still wasn't really possible if somebody with mechanical training would look at it (I have no idea so I can't judge on that), there at least was SOME explanation why such thing would be possible, and it was Han doing it, not some junk trader that lived her whole life on a desert planet.
57:42 Not to forget that Poe was, in practically every measurable way, her second in command. Even if a couple of command deck personnel outranked him, you’re in SPACE. Poe’s the sole leader of your only STARSHIP SQUADRON. Need to know has been 100% fulfilled.
“Due to her actions, and her character.”
What character?
I was absolutely surprised by how out of her gourd she is. She was really good as Brienne of Tarth and I enjoyed her character. She also did a good job as Phasma even if she was under used, she acted really well. But she is straight kooky in interviews and on T.V.
@@snodog00 Everybody in the interviews is cooky, because they're actors and they're being paid to act like it was a great movie. Those interviews are marketing, not education.
@@haydentravis3348 a sure hope so. If shes like that as a person, I wouldn't want to know her. Like... I wouldn't hang out with someone that talks about putting casseroles in her armor to cook on her body to serve her friends. And you always enjoy actors more when you can relate to their real persona.
And what significant actions as a villain, even? The only notable thing she ever did was being forced to bring Starkiller Base’s shields down, which said nothing positive about her character.
Actions? What does she do besides shoot and lose to a janitor?
1:37:30 _"Emperor. Palpatines. Broken. Personal. Yacht. Armor"_
See, most Star Wars characters have Plot Armor.
Phasma has Yacht Armor!
And she digs YACHT ROCK!
Don't you mean 'emporer'?
"Why? In all 7 episodes of the main line series... ...have we not seen this maneuver?"
Consider this: You've never seen this done before. Not only in Star Wars, but in _any other sci-fi movie, book, tv show, etc_ Why?
Because this is in fact one of the unspoken meta Rules of Sci-fi. From a writing perspective, the moment you introduce FTL ramming as a concept, you've now introduced a completely OP weapon that cannot be countered that has infinite destructive potential that solves all possible combat scenarios: It's called *the Asteroid with attached FTL drive and drone guidance.*
It's the sci-fi equivalent of a nuclear weapon. Every military would just immediately build these things and point them at each others' planets, and then it becomes impossible to write any plausible 'conventional' sci-fi fleet battle.
It's not that people have never had this idea before. It's that they considered the universe-building ramifications of the idea and realized it was too unbalancing to include. The reason why the writer for this movie was dumb enough to introduce such a meta-destroying concept is because he's not a sci-fi fan and has no idea of general sci-fi tropes and what can reasonably be done in the medium.
Not just sci-fi tropes, but lacking basic experience in writing. Has Rian Johnson never written before? Over-the-top powers that break a story to the point of no return is a common trope of amateur writers, especially young ones, who get caught up in the fantasy of the power and forget that the characters still need to be able to exist in the same universe in which said power is possible and that when conflict arises, you need to be able to write about it without said power turning your universe into something that is impossible for any normal human being to relate to.
I would know, I've done it myself before.
It's why superheroes always have to come with weaknesses, whether it's something physical like Superman and kryptonite, or something psychological like Batman and his (in some variations of his character) hesitation to kill anyone. It's why a character like James Bond, despite being a stunning superspy who can get any woman he wants and take down any international spy villain, is a miserable alcoholic who can never find happiness because even if he finds a woman he loves, she might get murdered by an enemy. It's why Sherlock Holmes is a socially-stunted person who struggles to relate to others as a normal human being.
The list is endless.
Characters and mechanics without significant weaknesses are both a significant problem in this movie.
i mean they could just mass produce tiny rockets with ftl drives and just fly them straight at enemy ships. problem solved. in fact, this makes the sun beam planet pointless, since its shields could be penetrated by ftl speed. they could just ram a y-wing into the planet (they have ftl drives) and be done with it.
Turns out, they tried to rationalize away the mass use in the books or comics (I refuse to double-check which it's in, but I know it's in one of them). Apparently, it's "too expensive" to use the hyperdrive as a weapon. That's complete bullshit, since they can clearly make them small enough and cheaply enough to fit on X- and Y-Wings.
Even that rationalization for hyperdrive costs has a simple issue.
Wars are as much about logistics as they are about the battle. As expensive as a hyperdrive is, it's not as expensive as a hyperdrive WITH THE SHIP INCLUDED. Even if we didn't purpose-build ships with FTL drives for ramming, it would STILL be a viable tactic in the field, and pilots would do it all the time, because IT STILL COSTS THE ENEMY MORE than it does you.
But it's just a lightshow compared to the thematic issues with the story. Mein Gott.
I'll be honest, I'd totally like to check out a sci-fi universe completely built around the creation and ensuing cold (and eventually hot) wars and galactic-political ramifications of asteroids with drone guidance and FTL drives. I mean, if we were in the 1890's we'd probably think the same way about nukes - but nukes are so devastating and scary that we haven't resorted to using them without impunity. I think it could be done well - not in star warts. This franchise is fubar - but in something new.