I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. You can’t eat cardboard. The panic driven fire sales as the hobby continues to tank will be a beautiful thing for singles collectors!
@@BobBoozle Does that get a lot of attention on TH-cam, social media/yes. But I will say the hobby is doing well and lots of collectors spending at a big rate during the National. Aside from Steel City, DA, Blowout there were not a ton of dealers selling wax. Some had a few boxes, some smaller dealers did have full tables of it, but primarily singles throughout. It was nice to see the large amount and mix of vintage and modern/all sports in 1 place.
@TheCardDeal my concern would be the new people coming into the hobby and how it impacts the future. There may be enough collectors to keep things good for now, but eventually that base will shrink and I don't think there will be enough new collectors coming in. There's nothing to collect when it comes to modern cards. There's too much of it. Too many cards of each player. Too many slight variants. Too many 1/1's. Too many rookie cards. Collecting sets isn't a thing. Fans move from one player or team to the next a lot faster. Fewer dedicated collectors to certain players over time. As soon as new people enter the hobby, they're greeted at every corner with a way to gamble or get taken advantage of. And this hobby doesn't do a great job of policing itself and eliminating questionable characters. I wish I had a better outlook on the hobby but it just never feels like the people in control are looking out for it's best interest.
@@mjh8492 All valid points and appreciate the reply and conversation. Not that you mean anything by it, but I try as I am guilty myself to avoid blanket statements. I am 43, been doing cards since I was 10. I am big into set builds, and fill a lot of singles for set builders. Forums for set builders, trading etc. I love to see that still be a part of the hobby with the complete sets that Topps sells are different than the hand collation and update and Bowman releases to name a few. You are spot on when you say new to the hobby and a bad look or bad 1st experience and that IMO is the fault of algorithms and hype men like a Geoff Wilson. Those apps that track sales are pure manipulation of the real market. Some of the largest dealers don't even mess with Ebay. Optics are everything for me, I learned to have a good filter with this stuff. So many misleading people pumping content for clicks and a check. Once they see the money, they have to keep up with content to have those checks keep rolling in. I do honestly from time to time feel the same, but realize the type of content and hobby that us out here and that puts me at ease. Simply searching on TH-cam which a lot of us just open app and watch what we see in a few videos down. I did that with cable TV, gone. Now I search for what I want to listen to, watch etc. Less political crap, even changed my home screen to a simple Google search bar so I don't have to see "headlines". Distraction crap that goes nowhere and is a time eater. I do know a lot who do PC hoke teams, I do lower end breaks where we may have 4 to 12 trades in a 30 team break. Sell em at 1 price for everyone. Last night we had a guy trade the Os for Blue Jay's. May not make sense to some but the Canadian guys want what they want. Cubs for Yankees was also a trade. We just did 3 fundraisers for hobby friends, all donated product, giveaways, raffles etc to help out another friend that we all met through cards. I am from Cleveland, I had guys over that I never met in person for my 1 day a week Friday live card shop show. Was a great time. Thursday for the guys in from National I had 24 tickets to watch the Indians. We had people from all over the country to gather. So those few examples I mentioned are all over TH-cam and the hobby, they just get very little exposure is all. No one likes feel good stories as a whole. They are programmed to think a phone makes those opinions matter. Meanwhile, the reality is that no one cares. Seeing big time TH-cam channels who never open product, never share that large collection get all those followers and clicks is not "The Hobby". Search Bluejacket66 Dave has some of the most rare and expensive cards you will see from a vintage collector. Orlando over at A Collectors Dream is another one. All great people with rare awesome cards and those guys should IMO have 50,000 subscribers. The list is endless, but just named a couple of my personal favorites.
I think breakers broke the collecting world. From getting juiced boxes, and all the 1/1s theres no chance for us "under average" collectors. When breakers get all the best cards, it just gives false hopes. Also i find all the quality controld boxes go straight to breakers. Retail cards are damaged almost 100% of time. Dimples, print lines, fuzzy corners, extremely hard to find a 10 in retail.
Or maybe he’s successful in life and enjoying what he loves to do with his hard earned money. Funny, how those judging how others use their money are usually the ones…well to put it politely, less successful than the people they judged.
Easy dough in your pocket next year - go to The National and collect $10 from everyone for parking on the first day and keep it and have everyone wonder why parking is free the 2nd day when you aren’t there. 😂
Collecting is fine It's all these Investor morons and flexes who are going to be taken to the cleaners If my 30 dollar cards drop 50% I couldn't care less. Not selling them anyway
What if that card was a grand and it fell way below 50%? What if you needed to sell for emergency situations? Maybe you should think about those things first before making absurd and disingenuous comments.
Fanatics priced in gambling this year too into Topps Chrome baseball so that it's basically a lose-lose situation unless you buy singles....and those singles will be down 30-50% come November this year. As people go broke, it's only logical that gambling becomes the only thing that remains.
Yes, but why not gamble on anything other than sportscards which is by far the worst bang for your buck. Slot machines have way better value. Think about that.
If you showed up an hour or so early on Wed/Thurs, parking wasn't that bad and at least they weren't charging, which helped keep the traffic moving. The lines for the Mens room was incredibly long. Let me tell you that seeing a lot of these "Hobby Heroes" in person was even sadder than I could of imagined. The self importance and arrogance of these people is astounding!!!
First of all - they are not "hobby heroes"....they are more like "hobby MISFITS". I don't see ANY of these "heroes" doing ANY charity work whatsoever... they should START with THAT first...
My brother and I have both been sober for a few years so we went nuts on junk wax breaks for a while. Started getting more expensive recently though. Two years ago, they were like $15, now they’re more like $40.
Always love the realistic voice from someone in the hobby. I mean, I still see people locally asking those "experts" their views on a certain player. It is like asking a casino owner/dealer which table is good for them to invest.
my first and last national. too much money and labor for what i got out of it. some positives but the negatives from lines traffic and parking outweigh this. vip access as well. maybe ive aged out of this
I live close to IX center. I was SHOCKED to learn they picked that place. Such an old dump. I went and confirmed my thoughts. Logistic nightmare. Really poor decision.
Nearly everything in the hobby will keep going down as people who went nuts recently come to their senses and realize almost everything was overvalued by around 90%. I was just at the national. Fun to walk around window shop and talk to people. Not much to buy as stuff was way overpriced.
If you’re at the arse end of the hobby like me and only PC your favourite team (NY islanders so nobody out for a quick buck on anyone who’s played for the team) you can collect just like the old days without worrying about being scammed 😂
That is the way to do it! Pay $5 for a cool card of one of your favourite players instead of paying hundreds for a box that has nothing of value in it.
@@DirtyDan77 for sure, I’ll pay more for some HOF cards if I like the price. But very rare anything is over $100. Pretty sure quite a bit of value in the overall collection as built over many years, but never worked it all out.👍
At a minimum breaking must fall under gambling legislation. Wax will be more problematic but what other products are out there where you can potentially 10X your outlay in 1 minute? Here's a few: Horse racing, slot machines, roulette, etc. At some point there will be stories of kids who developed chronic gambling addictions through breaking. And it may come by way of a hefty law suit where precedent is set. I.E. These breakers knew exactly what they were doing - offering a gambling product to any and all comers with zero safeguards in place. There must be a lawyer out there willing to take this on? Breaking has a place in the hobby but minors should not participate, a gamble responsibly warning must be given, and just like online bookmakers now in Australia, credit cards can not be used, much less Afterpay. The current set up is a joke.
Mercifully SCI has changed his mantra of "invest in the cards you love", which was truly absurd and shocking, to now "invest in the hobby you love" which is merely silly.
When I see the price of boxes get sliced in half, and it's still not worth it to buy, then yes, I think there is seriously something wrong with the way things are going.
I walked by some “influencer” shooting a video at the National. When I heard him say something along the lines of “what kind of business can you get such a return on your investment…”. Yea, collecting is dead. I had gone to the National the past 3-4 times it was in Cleveland with my father. We had such a great time all those years and was looking forward to its return to Cleveland. It was so terribly organized and such a mess we both agreed we’ll probably never go back. It was overwhelming and not in a good way.
Such a depressing time for the hobby... I understand you can collect, and have fun; but there's just so much gambling & scams involved now, and it feels like it's only going to get worse. Especially bad with Panini/Basketball boxes. Hobby boxes comign out, Mosaic 500$, Impeccable 3K+ , Sprectra 850$, Noir 2.5K , Phoenix 500$.... who's buying multiple of these, when your basically getting like 10% return. Breakers are; but like that even makes it's riskier.
The problem is that this was all suppose to be fun and an actual hobby. Just go back to 2019 before the pandemic and when these dudes started their online group breaks, I was buying hobby boxes like Donruss 2015 basketball for $39 a box. Kobe auto's, embed rookie autos, ect. Now the same box is 6-10 times more. This is just straight gamboling now and all these group breaks are the reason the prices are going up and sorry but most of the people spend every last penny they have on group breaks and max out their credit cards no matter the prices, pure addiction. So unless group breaks stop, or are regulated like gambiling, things are never going back. It is too bad for those that do it for the joy of the hobby and to collect versus the flippers who try to gamble and make money here and there.
Demand pushes the product, and nothing else. I don't blame people for profiting and doing good for themselves. If you were in their shoes, would you feel bad for profiting? Do you feel bad about going to work and getting paid? I don't.
Gamblers never win......give it time...they'll figure it out. You should see the guy's video on how collecting Basketball cards nearly ruined his life and marriage...
Another national convention done and same old shit show parking , bathroom , no police to handle traffic and 48 dollars for pizza and Digorino pizza was 5 star to cardboard pizza and could have been a man cover on the road. But the biggest problem was the dealers , one's who prices card's to sell got sold and dealers who where over priced didn't sell. Rudeness, under arm smell was horrible and some forget to shower. Food trucks 🚚 2 hrs wait. Next year it's in Chicago and back to Cleveland hopefully problems will get fixed. Overall grade D- D+ something like Geoff Wilson and MOJO blocking a wheel chair and the hobby putz all the clowns we all know who they are.
One of my favorite breakers retired, Chris Justice, been watching him for years. Now I've slowed down on collecting because of that. Don't know who else to watch. 😢
The great thing about him was that his pricing was honest from the wax he sold to the breaks. He passed along his dealer discount to his customers, most others charge whatever 3rd party pricing is plus another 20% even if their purchase price was below mfg pricing. It's honestly stupid.
seems to me the only people paying these stupid prices for overproduced inserts like "kabooms" for example are the "influencers" The insanity needs to end and wouldn't mind seeing the market take another 80% nosedive and flushing these turds out
Cards are a great collectable but a ridiculous investment. Imagine how hard the sportscard market would've tanked had Donald taken one through the brain rather than the earlobe? Watch the market around November. If Donald wins then perhaps all good....for a while. If he loses and claims he was cheated then sportscards may be the last thing you want to have money in. Crazy times coming.
Today’s card collecting works is the offspring of the Junk Wax era. So many brands, so many series per brand, I mean how many different Victor W. rookie cards exist? The average collector can’t keep up with the professional flippers who gobble everything up.
small time seller here, been killing it during the Olympics...Burbank leaving eBay should help me out peddling singles from sets via the multi option on eBay...
Two genuine question and my insight on the national 1) what’s your favorite listing site. I’m currently using card dealer and I’m mostly satisfied with 2) what do you like about the hobby and collecting. I’m not about the dbag hobby positivity stuff but curious what it is you like? My impression of the national. 1- the back entrance in and out saved tons of parking lot time. Glad it remained a secret. 2- I collect post retirement HOFer on card autos. My biggest PC is Bob Mcadoo. The supply at the national was worse than a local card show in buffalo. Almost every dealer was a copy and paste of each other. I love gambling so I like some of the gambling aspect but it has become way too much gambling focused Keep making great content. Love the short form videos
What a way to wash coin. grade the rare cards, having your boy buy it for an insanely high rate and bang. Money is clean and inflated the price of the card.
@@thewatchfuleye8401 that is only if you are buying cards for investment purposes, if you are using the hobby for entertainment, and collecting, then you don’t really care too much about the swings of the market. I’m buying a card today for $2000 that I know I will probably only get $1500 for if I had to sell it but I don’t care because I want the card and I don’t plan on selling it. And when I said everything I meant everything in the hobby not the world lol.
I'm very happy with my 2nd year Jake Ferguson Blue Wave Prizm card that I paid 50 cents for. Not sure if the dudes who bought Mac Jones rookies for $950 are as happy with their purchases now.
Luckily my era was the late 80s/90s, soy cards are CHEAP to collect. There are grown up ways of investing, and sports cards are not one of them. Anything manufactured for the SOLE purpose of investing (serial numbers, autos, ect), they're never worth crap in the end. Most of the iconic sports cards were base rookies from an era of collection and trading, not investment. We're making this unfun.
I only list about 20 cards a month so I don't need an app to help me list, but thanks for letting the guys know.... better watch it, your actually helping save the hobby we love!!!!
People should think in terms of the Hobby''' like buying a brand new car''' You LOVE the car you just brought you take good care of the car...But as time goes by it lose value and interest .. so you just sell the car for whatever you can get for it on the open market"" and on to the next New Car""
Very solid advice with Burbank moving. 100% of their 40 million cards may be moving but only a single digit percentage of buyers will follow them over. If the platform is successful, that number will get higher and higher but it will take time. Big opportunity for smaller sellers to make a foot print.
The 86 Fleer Jordan will only continue to go down. Here’s why: There are 30-40,000 graded copies of this card. At any time, of any day of the week, you can find a graded 1986 Fleer Jordan #57, in any grade. It’s a race to the bottom to sell all those cards people WAYYY overpaid for in 2020-2023. Also, the people who only came into the hobby over the last few years, have been drip-fed the idea that the 86 Fleer is his “rookie”. It’s not, it’s iconic, but it’s a 3RD YEAR licensed Jordan card, with two licensed base cards printed before it in 84-85 and 85-86 by the Star Co.
yup to the first part no to the second// star was never nationally put into a boxed format only way to get it was thru magazine ads to get team sets that were based on regionality of the teams offered thus why it is considered xrc
You are correct about a lot of what you said. The 1986 Fleer was printed 250,000 times and it is the "cache" of the card that makes it valuable. Not rarity or it being his "rookie card"
@@vendora1 well, if you attended card shows back then, dealers had them. The pack pulled notion means nothing, really. Jordan was a rookie in 1984, not 1986. Star was the onlly company willing to even make cards from 1983 to 1985-1986. Topps gave up the nba license in 1981, Star picked it up, and made 3 entire years of base sets, until Fleer picked up the license in 1986. We can argue all day and night, but the only reason people prop the 86 fleer up is because one person, beckett decided to call it an xrc. I’ll say this, as a collector from that era, who lived in Chicago as well, everyone put the Star Jordan above the fleer, value & significance-wise. It wasnt until later when the notion the fleer is a rookie.
@@JQM78 i did and thats true but it wasnt in a boxed format period end of story dude idgaf bout it being printed by star you could make same argument for nike promo card ITS NOT HIS ROOKIE period you had to send in an ad from a magazine that had regionality attached to it thats why beckett said it was xrc do a little more research i been collecting since i was 5 yrs old (since 1979 i ) i own both a star and fleer jordan i consider the fleer his true rookie and the valuations reflect that in the market
Cards are down form the last 2 years because 2-3 years ago was the peak of the boom. Shit is finally settling into normalcy, due to all the posers and sneaker heads who have left the hobby.
@@SportsCardShowMost investments do not have the same supply and demand ratios or rarity as this market, not to mention the rapid highs and lows in price fluctuation. There was an influx of new and uninformed people who pumped prices beyond normalcy. Simple really.
I appreciate the advice. I've been selling sports cards online for the last few years and even though I'm a top rated seller, I've always struggled with getting traffic to my store. I'm gonna look at that software tonight maybe it's exactly what I've been missing.
I stopped buying sports retail. They keep upping the price. Buying raw singles to grade or graded cards with a deal. If you’re gonna buy sealed products, Pokémon, lorcana or any tcg. They all go up in value
I stick to singles . It’s like I’ve watched the rise and fall of the covid craze and I’m still doing the same thing. Haven’t lost a dime due to the falling market If you actually know what you’re doing just buy cheaper and sell cheaper nothing changes
Cards may be down overall but the market goes up and down so frequently. Unless you PC players you shouldnt hold cards long term expecting big profits. Buy during the lows and sell during the highs is where you make money if thats your goal in the hobby. Timing is everything as big jumps/declines could happen within a month or even weeks. If you want longterm holds for growth buy sealed stuff and dont open it.
謝謝！
I walked around the national looking for $1-$5 90’s basketball inserts. I’m still collecting
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. You can’t eat cardboard. The panic driven fire sales as the hobby continues to tank will be a beautiful thing for singles collectors!
When do you feel it will tank?
@@TheCardDealit is on its way
Why beautiful seeing people lose thousands? Most people just love the hobby
@@jcbuckeye most. The rest are absolutely doorknobs
@@TheCardDeal it’s tanking right now. Now if some sort of economic setback occurs reminiscent of 2007-2008, we will start seeing the fire sales.
A sobering wake-up call on the Monday following the National: "Gambling has replaced investing and collecting in this industry."
@@BobBoozle Does that get a lot of attention on TH-cam, social media/yes. But I will say the hobby is doing well and lots of collectors spending at a big rate during the National. Aside from Steel City, DA, Blowout there were not a ton of dealers selling wax. Some had a few boxes, some smaller dealers did have full tables of it, but primarily singles throughout. It was nice to see the large amount and mix of vintage and modern/all sports in 1 place.
@TheCardDeal my concern would be the new people coming into the hobby and how it impacts the future. There may be enough collectors to keep things good for now, but eventually that base will shrink and I don't think there will be enough new collectors coming in. There's nothing to collect when it comes to modern cards. There's too much of it. Too many cards of each player. Too many slight variants. Too many 1/1's. Too many rookie cards. Collecting sets isn't a thing. Fans move from one player or team to the next a lot faster. Fewer dedicated collectors to certain players over time. As soon as new people enter the hobby, they're greeted at every corner with a way to gamble or get taken advantage of. And this hobby doesn't do a great job of policing itself and eliminating questionable characters. I wish I had a better outlook on the hobby but it just never feels like the people in control are looking out for it's best interest.
@@mjh8492 All valid points and appreciate the reply and conversation. Not that you mean anything by it, but I try as I am guilty myself to avoid blanket statements. I am 43, been doing cards since I was 10. I am big into set builds, and fill a lot of singles for set builders. Forums for set builders, trading etc. I love to see that still be a part of the hobby with the complete sets that Topps sells are different than the hand collation and update and Bowman releases to name a few.
You are spot on when you say new to the hobby and a bad look or bad 1st experience and that IMO is the fault of algorithms and hype men like a Geoff Wilson. Those apps that track sales are pure manipulation of the real market. Some of the largest dealers don't even mess with Ebay. Optics are everything for me, I learned to have a good filter with this stuff. So many misleading people pumping content for clicks and a check. Once they see the money, they have to keep up with content to have those checks keep rolling in.
I do honestly from time to time feel the same, but realize the type of content and hobby that us out here and that puts me at ease. Simply searching on TH-cam which a lot of us just open app and watch what we see in a few videos down. I did that with cable TV, gone. Now I search for what I want to listen to, watch etc. Less political crap, even changed my home screen to a simple Google search bar so I don't have to see "headlines". Distraction crap that goes nowhere and is a time eater.
I do know a lot who do PC hoke teams, I do lower end breaks where we may have 4 to 12 trades in a 30 team break. Sell em at 1 price for everyone. Last night we had a guy trade the Os for Blue Jay's. May not make sense to some but the Canadian guys want what they want. Cubs for Yankees was also a trade. We just did 3 fundraisers for hobby friends, all donated product, giveaways, raffles etc to help out another friend that we all met through cards.
I am from Cleveland, I had guys over that I never met in person for my 1 day a week Friday live card shop show. Was a great time. Thursday for the guys in from National I had 24 tickets to watch the Indians. We had people from all over the country to gather. So those few examples I mentioned are all over TH-cam and the hobby, they just get very little exposure is all. No one likes feel good stories as a whole. They are programmed to think a phone makes those opinions matter. Meanwhile, the reality is that no one cares. Seeing big time TH-cam channels who never open product, never share that large collection get all those followers and clicks is not "The Hobby". Search Bluejacket66 Dave has some of the most rare and expensive cards you will see from a vintage collector. Orlando over at A Collectors Dream is another one. All great people with rare awesome cards and those guys should IMO have 50,000 subscribers. The list is endless, but just named a couple of my personal favorites.
That's what's happened in the late 90s.
your comment may be better made:
gambling replaced investing and investing replaced collecting
I think breakers broke the collecting world. From getting juiced boxes, and all the 1/1s theres no chance for us "under average" collectors. When breakers get all the best cards, it just gives false hopes. Also i find all the quality controld boxes go straight to breakers. Retail cards are damaged almost 100% of time. Dimples, print lines, fuzzy corners, extremely hard to find a 10 in retail.
China , The Breakers and Probstein Auctions profound corruption ruined sports cards .
People like me........don't bitch about 80k while flying our semi private jet.
I disagree
@bnegs521 you're a donut then
"semi private" - slums.
Our private jet? Doing a bit of private jet timesharing with Shinebox?
that’s weird…if someone scammed me out of $1 i’m bitching
collecting will never die. true collectors keep our eyes on the prize and relish in these opportunities
And a true collector will never gamble...they just collect.
@@DEE-o4v ""DIDO""😊
If you are buying boxes for $80,000 without having a clue what’s inside, you gone wrong in your mind tank.
he had no idea lol
Or youre just filthy rich lol
You're assuming that asshole actually has a mind.....stop assuming. Whether he has a mind has YET to be determined.
He was better off going to ""Vegas"" his odds would have be better"" for me i just would have brought a 52 topps Mantel"" but that just me""
Or maybe he’s successful in life and enjoying what he loves to do with his hard earned money.
Funny, how those judging how others use their money are usually the ones…well to put it politely, less successful than the people they judged.
Meanwhile Shyne150 attacking people who pointed out the Checklist to him
Easy dough in your pocket next year - go to The National and collect $10 from everyone for parking on the first day and keep it and have everyone wonder why parking is free the 2nd day when you aren’t there. 😂
Collecting is fine
It's all these Investor morons and flexes who are going to be taken to the cleaners
If my 30 dollar cards drop 50% I couldn't care less. Not selling them anyway
@@patrickbaklava7297 nobody’s scamming me in my price bracket.🤣
What if that card was a grand and it fell way below 50%? What if you needed to sell for emergency situations? Maybe you should think about those things first before making absurd and disingenuous comments.
@@vintagecollector5340 If you're anyhere near needing $500 in a pinch you should not be buying colorful cardboard.
@@vintagecollector5340i wouldn’t buy cardboard to keep as an investment 😂 invest in precious metals
Fanatics priced in gambling this year too into Topps Chrome baseball so that it's basically a lose-lose situation unless you buy singles....and those singles will be down 30-50% come November this year. As people go broke, it's only logical that gambling becomes the only thing that remains.
Yes, but why not gamble on anything other than sportscards which is by far the worst bang for your buck. Slot machines have way better value. Think about that.
Sold 220k with 5 Burrow cards, 1 Ja and 3 Sports Illustrated Wemby cards...that i paid 25k for in the past 2 years. The hobby is done lol! #Haters
I've read that Shyne already received a refund. Seems like he scammed the seller
If you showed up an hour or so early on Wed/Thurs, parking wasn't that bad and at least they weren't charging, which helped keep the traffic moving. The lines for the Mens room was incredibly long.
Let me tell you that seeing a lot of these "Hobby Heroes" in person was even sadder than I could of imagined. The self importance and arrogance of these people is astounding!!!
First of all - they are not "hobby heroes"....they are more like "hobby MISFITS". I don't see ANY of these "heroes" doing ANY charity work whatsoever... they should START with THAT first...
Right now card collecting is more about gambling than collecting and that 100% should change
It's all in how you perceive it. You're gambling everytime you buy a sealed product to open. Its all about the entertainment aspect of it.
" You think you just fell out of a coconut tree " 😂
I'm pretty sure she fell out of a coconut tree....as she is clearly...a monkey.
1990 Fleer is a 4x better investment than 09-10 Exquisite! Nobody will ever scan a box of FLEEER
Lol i just broke 91 88 87 and 92 fleer boxes lol
My brother and I have both been sober for a few years so we went nuts on junk wax breaks for a while. Started getting more expensive recently though. Two years ago, they were like $15, now they’re more like $40.
No clip of the guy gifting Geoff Wilson two Will Grier cards ?
Always love the realistic voice from someone in the hobby. I mean, I still see people locally asking those "experts" their views on a certain player. It is like asking a casino owner/dealer which table is good for them to invest.
If someone is stupid enough to listen to these "experts", then they deserve to be suckered.
my first and last national. too much money and labor for what i got out of it. some positives but the negatives from lines traffic and parking outweigh this. vip access as well. maybe ive aged out of this
I live close to IX center. I was SHOCKED to learn they picked that place. Such an old dump.
I went and confirmed my thoughts. Logistic nightmare.
Really poor decision.
I stick to the $1 and under boxes
Smart man....on that, you can only win.....
Huge opportunity on eBay now
Nearly everything in the hobby will keep going down as people who went nuts recently come to their senses and realize almost everything was overvalued by around 90%.
I was just at the national. Fun to walk around window shop and talk to people. Not much to buy as stuff was way overpriced.
Just about everything associated with cards is, now, scam based 'business' tactics. fan attics got that flippa's paradise raging. tEn X, baby!
everyone saying F U Topps while Mikey Rubin is sitting back laughing thinking "they really dont know its us do they"
Everyone knows it's fanatics its just habit to say topps .
@@williamdunlapwaxnews everyone as in maybe like the 10 nerds u know who always talk about cards and watch videos about the latest news?
If you’re at the arse end of the hobby like me and only PC your favourite team (NY islanders so nobody out for a quick buck on anyone who’s played for the team) you can collect just like the old days without worrying about being scammed 😂
That is the way to do it! Pay $5 for a cool card of one of your favourite players instead of paying hundreds for a box that has nothing of value in it.
@@DirtyDan77 for sure, I’ll pay more for some HOF cards if I like the price. But very rare anything is over $100. Pretty sure quite a bit of value in the overall collection as built over many years, but never worked it all out.👍
totally agree. Collect for the PC on the the cheap!
At a minimum breaking must fall under gambling legislation. Wax will be more problematic but what other products are out there where you can potentially 10X your outlay in 1 minute? Here's a few: Horse racing, slot machines, roulette, etc. At some point there will be stories of kids who developed chronic gambling addictions through breaking. And it may come by way of a hefty law suit where precedent is set. I.E. These breakers knew exactly what they were doing - offering a gambling product to any and all comers with zero safeguards in place. There must be a lawyer out there willing to take this on? Breaking has a place in the hobby but minors should not participate, a gamble responsibly warning must be given, and just like online bookmakers now in Australia, credit cards can not be used, much less Afterpay. The current set up is a joke.
good lord....
Dude isnt a collector if he doesnt even know what he is buying. What a baby.
Mercifully SCI has changed his mantra of "invest in the cards you love", which was truly absurd and shocking, to now "invest in the hobby you love" which is merely silly.
I started collecting again recently buying junk wax era that I sold a couple years ago for little profit .ones man's trash is another man's treasure.
When I see the price of boxes get sliced in half, and it's still not worth it to buy, then yes, I think there is seriously something wrong with the way things are going.
the smart people that collect buy singles
Why would anyone buy a rookie Zion for $10,000?
I walked by some “influencer” shooting a video at the National. When I heard him say something along the lines of “what kind of business can you get such a return on your investment…”. Yea, collecting is dead.
I had gone to the National the past 3-4 times it was in Cleveland with my father. We had such a great time all those years and was looking forward to its return to Cleveland. It was so terribly organized and such a mess we both agreed we’ll probably never go back. It was overwhelming and not in a good way.
well somehow i’m still alive so no collecting isn’t dead quite yet
Such a depressing time for the hobby... I understand you can collect, and have fun; but there's just so much gambling & scams involved now, and it feels like it's only going to get worse. Especially bad with Panini/Basketball boxes. Hobby boxes comign out, Mosaic 500$, Impeccable 3K+ , Sprectra 850$, Noir 2.5K , Phoenix 500$.... who's buying multiple of these, when your basically getting like 10% return. Breakers are; but like that even makes it's riskier.
love how Shyne's money is REAL money but us average joe's money ISNT real lol clown
he doesn't want to sguander all that hard-earned money from selling dimebags on street corners to urban teens.
The problem is that this was all suppose to be fun and an actual hobby. Just go back to 2019 before the pandemic and when these dudes started their online group breaks, I was buying hobby boxes like Donruss 2015 basketball for $39 a box. Kobe auto's, embed rookie autos, ect. Now the same box is 6-10 times more. This is just straight gamboling now and all these group breaks are the reason the prices are going up and sorry but most of the people spend every last penny they have on group breaks and max out their credit cards no matter the prices, pure addiction. So unless group breaks stop, or are regulated like gambiling, things are never going back. It is too bad for those that do it for the joy of the hobby and to collect versus the flippers who try to gamble and make money here and there.
Demand pushes the product, and nothing else. I don't blame people for profiting and doing good for themselves. If you were in their shoes, would you feel bad for profiting? Do you feel bad about going to work and getting paid? I don't.
Gamblers never win......give it time...they'll figure it out. You should see the guy's video on how collecting Basketball cards nearly ruined his life and marriage...
Another national convention done and same old shit show parking , bathroom , no police to handle traffic and 48 dollars for pizza and Digorino pizza was 5 star to cardboard pizza and could have been a man cover on the road.
But the biggest problem was the dealers , one's who prices card's to sell got sold and dealers who where over priced didn't sell.
Rudeness, under arm smell was horrible and some forget to shower. Food trucks 🚚 2 hrs wait.
Next year it's in Chicago and back to Cleveland hopefully problems will get fixed.
Overall grade D- D+ something like Geoff Wilson and MOJO blocking a wheel chair and the hobby putz all the clowns we all know who they are.
Jesus Christ shut up Karen
They don't forget to shower...they make a conscious decision every day to not shower
I'm a collector.. its not dead
One of my favorite breakers retired, Chris Justice, been watching him for years. Now I've slowed down on collecting because of that. Don't know who else to watch. 😢
The great thing about him was that his pricing was honest from the wax he sold to the breaks. He passed along his dealer discount to his customers, most others charge whatever 3rd party pricing is plus another 20% even if their purchase price was below mfg pricing. It's honestly stupid.
@@Falker_Sports_Cards and his camera set up showing he wasn't doing anything shady during the breaks. I'll miss him a lot. He was my only breaker :(
I love the Sports Card Therapist sprinkle blurb
Is that guy still MIA? 🤔
The Hobby Exposed!!!! Spitting 100% Truth
seems to me the only people paying these stupid prices for overproduced inserts like "kabooms" for example are the "influencers" The insanity needs to end and wouldn't mind seeing the market take another 80% nosedive and flushing these turds out
Cards are a great collectable but a ridiculous investment. Imagine how hard the sportscard market would've tanked had Donald taken one through the brain rather than the earlobe? Watch the market around November. If Donald wins then perhaps all good....for a while. If he loses and claims he was cheated then sportscards may be the last thing you want to have money in. Crazy times coming.
Today’s card collecting works is the offspring of the Junk Wax era. So many brands, so many series per brand, I mean how many different Victor W. rookie cards exist? The average collector can’t keep up with the professional flippers who gobble everything up.
small time seller here, been killing it during the Olympics...Burbank leaving eBay should help me out peddling singles from sets via the multi option on eBay...
Two genuine question and my insight on the national
1) what’s your favorite listing site. I’m currently using card dealer and I’m mostly satisfied with
2) what do you like about the hobby and collecting. I’m not about the dbag hobby positivity stuff but curious what it is you like?
My impression of the national. 1- the back entrance in and out saved tons of parking lot time. Glad it remained a secret. 2- I collect post retirement HOFer on card autos. My biggest PC is Bob Mcadoo. The supply at the national was worse than a local card show in buffalo. Almost every dealer was a copy and paste of each other.
I love gambling so I like some of the gambling aspect but it has become way too much gambling focused
Keep making great content. Love the short form videos
Do these numbers check out when looking at more rare cards as opposed to the base and prizm silvers shown here? Just curious.
Totally agree with your overall take on this video, though. Gambling has definitely replaced collection.
Your Ja, Zions and Trae Young’s all went down. Yes.
@7:42 Dappz: “Third question is, would you sleep with tonight”
Woman: “probably not”
💀💀💀💀
"A fool and his money...are SOON parted.".....thank you Shyne150 for proving that TIMELESS ADAGE.
I hope prices crash. I want to be able to afford more cardboard.
I hope prices keep going down. This hobby is expensive for those who aren't worried about making money off cards and just want to collect.
I remember Mac Jones Prizm Base was the 1st $100 base I've ever seen on release. Well glad I sold when I did.😂
eBay is dropping Amex 8/17. It WILL influence closing prices on eBay
drug dealer in his private jet. No one cares. Just like when he scammed Logan Paul
What a way to wash coin. grade the rare cards, having your boy buy it for an insanely high rate and bang. Money is clean and inflated the price of the card.
Imagine if this hobby was actually controlled by the mafia. I would legit cry laughing and believe it. Gambling baby! Ahaha
@@kylehawkins7457 don't have to imagine it. Dots are all there to connect.
amazing vibe and no bullshit approach, so much of TH-cam would be better if they took notes. great work my guy
I fell out of a coconut tree once🤪
Thanks for the video. I don't bother wasting money on the nationals. 😊
Isn't this the first year that Jim Ryan and company took over the National? Seemed to be a real chit-show.
Of course everything is down over the last 2 years, we are coming down from the Covid bubble that popped in 2022.
LOL, nothing is "down" over last 2 years. Everything is more expensive since 2022, except cards. Hence, you are getting taken if you are buying cards.
@@thewatchfuleye8401 that is only if you are buying cards for investment purposes, if you are using the hobby for entertainment, and collecting, then you don’t really care too much about the swings of the market. I’m buying a card today for $2000 that I know I will probably only get $1500 for if I had to sell it but I don’t care because I want the card and I don’t plan on selling it. And when I said everything I meant everything in the hobby not the world lol.
and it hasn't ended yet....give it time...cards will get worse....which is GREAT for the serious collectors.
Joe Alexander Exquisite RPA wasn't a card inserted into 09/10 Exquisite. He was def scammed
I'm very happy with my 2nd year Jake Ferguson Blue Wave Prizm card that I paid 50 cents for. Not sure if the dudes who bought Mac Jones rookies for $950 are as happy with their purchases now.
you forgot to mention the kenny pickett rookie cards"" that so many people was buying ""
lol shine doesnt understand what hes opening lolol
Luckily my era was the late 80s/90s, soy cards are CHEAP to collect. There are grown up ways of investing, and sports cards are not one of them. Anything manufactured for the SOLE purpose of investing (serial numbers, autos, ect), they're never worth crap in the end. Most of the iconic sports cards were base rookies from an era of collection and trading, not investment. We're making this unfun.
Sports card culture is a gambling culture. We all know it’s true 😂
I only list about 20 cards a month so I don't need an app to help me list, but thanks for letting the guys know.... better watch it, your actually helping save the hobby we love!!!!
People should think in terms of the Hobby''' like buying a brand new car''' You LOVE the car you just
brought you take good care of the car...But as time goes by it lose value and interest .. so you
just sell the car for whatever you can get for it on the open market"" and on to the next New Car""
Learn how to barter. Beans, Bullets and Booze. (Bob Boozle 😃)
But guys, guys.......the vibes
Making money from selling cards is definitely DEAD!
That really depends on how long you've been in the hobby and what you've bought throughout the years.
That’s why I only collect perfect 10 Alexa Bliss autograph cards she goes up
I’m glad i found your show. This is phenomenal!
One big breakers in whatnot got caught scamming their customers. Sports radio I hope you heard the news.
I don't buy into breaks and I don't open packs anymore. An L almost every time. I just buy the players I want, it's all that's left for me.
I collect and sell low-end football. That’s my lane and I’m good with that.
My $500 Glock is more valuable than anything they had at the national…
Very solid advice with Burbank moving. 100% of their 40 million cards may be moving but only a single digit percentage of buyers will follow them over. If the platform is successful, that number will get higher and higher but it will take time. Big opportunity for smaller sellers to make a foot print.
mr. daniel great clip not quite tim petty level, but very concise.
The 86 Fleer Jordan will only continue to go down. Here’s why:
There are 30-40,000 graded copies of this card. At any time, of any day of the week, you can find a graded 1986 Fleer Jordan #57, in any grade. It’s a race to the bottom to sell all those cards people WAYYY overpaid for in 2020-2023.
Also, the people who only came into the hobby over the last few years, have been drip-fed the idea that the 86 Fleer is his “rookie”. It’s not, it’s iconic, but it’s a 3RD YEAR licensed Jordan card, with two licensed base cards printed before it in 84-85 and 85-86 by the Star Co.
yup to the first part no to the second// star was never nationally put into a boxed format only way to get it was thru magazine ads to get team sets that were based on regionality of the teams offered thus why it is considered xrc
You are correct about a lot of what you said. The 1986 Fleer was printed 250,000 times and it is the "cache" of the card that makes it valuable. Not rarity or it being his "rookie card"
@@vendora1 well, if you attended card shows back then, dealers had them. The pack pulled notion means nothing, really. Jordan was a rookie in 1984, not 1986. Star was the onlly company willing to even make cards from 1983 to 1985-1986. Topps gave up the nba license in 1981, Star picked it up, and made 3 entire years of base sets, until Fleer picked up the license in 1986. We can argue all day and night, but the only reason people prop the 86 fleer up is because one person, beckett decided to call it an xrc. I’ll say this, as a collector from that era, who lived in Chicago as well, everyone put the Star Jordan above the fleer, value & significance-wise. It wasnt until later when the notion the fleer is a rookie.
@@JQM78 i did and thats true but it wasnt in a boxed format period end of story dude idgaf bout it being printed by star you could make same argument for nike promo card ITS NOT HIS ROOKIE period you had to send in an ad from a magazine that had regionality attached to it thats why beckett said it was xrc do a little more research i been collecting since i was 5 yrs old (since 1979 i ) i own both a star and fleer jordan i consider the fleer his true rookie and the valuations reflect that in the market
sorry. its a jordan rookie. it aint going down
Cards are down form the last 2 years because 2-3 years ago was the peak of the boom. Shit is finally settling into normalcy, due to all the posers and sneaker heads who have left the hobby.
@@AkbarIzaddoost why have other investments recovered?
@@SportsCardShowMost investments do not have the same supply and demand ratios or rarity as this market, not to mention the rapid highs and lows in price fluctuation. There was an influx of new and uninformed people who pumped prices beyond normalcy. Simple really.
@@AkbarIzaddoost lol ok
@@SportsCardShow yup, just as laughable as your program.
@@AkbarIzaddoost that you watched and left 3 comments 🤷😆
Could re-title this episode "Doozhbehg compilation." I see "legitimate businessmen," "terroriztz," and "Only Fehnz" droput.
I appreciate the advice. I've been selling sports cards online for the last few years and even though I'm a top rated seller, I've always struggled with getting traffic to my store. I'm gonna look at that software tonight maybe it's exactly what I've been missing.
Let me know how it goes!
Love the VGK lid
I stopped buying sports retail. They keep upping the price. Buying raw singles to grade or graded cards with a deal. If you’re gonna buy sealed products, Pokémon, lorcana or any tcg. They all go up in value
Spend 80k on something he knows nothing about....people like him ruined the hobby....u say babe Ruth and he says who's she?
Or he might say....Uh yeah...get me one of those candy bars......
I see a Val Venus clip I hit like and notify for Thursday!
@6:15 is that the Santiago sports dude??
Comparing current numbers to all time market highs during/after COVID is misleading
Welcome to the time of correction. Eat something good.
Not an investment business, it’s more about prospecting.
Pitbull apparently ended up pulling a lebron kobe duel auto worth like 300k. So much for being resealed. Dudes a clown
He probably had the case scanned and knew it was in it.
@@jcbuckeyeagree
That was a whole different case he hit that in lol had nothing to do with the one he opened and claimed was resealed
pretty sure it was a different product and/or case
Shyne can be, unburdened by what has been.
Where can I spend fake money on things?? 🧨🐐
It's a hobby not a business.when will people learn
I stick to singles . It’s like I’ve watched the rise and fall of the covid craze and I’m still doing the same thing. Haven’t lost a dime due to the falling market
If you actually know what you’re doing just buy cheaper and sell cheaper nothing changes
Its RIP and flippers/breakers/influencers killed it.
Cards may be down overall but the market goes up and down so frequently. Unless you PC players you shouldnt hold cards long term expecting big profits. Buy during the lows and sell during the highs is where you make money if thats your goal in the hobby. Timing is everything as big jumps/declines could happen within a month or even weeks. If you want longterm holds for growth buy sealed stuff and dont open it.
Shyne showing how much of a noob he is lmao