Sauron doesn't need to convince Orcs about anything. They should be utterly terrified of him, and basically on their faces begging him not to torture them anymore.
Halbarad revealed to Celebrimbor that he lied TWICE already (not a man, not a king), then said he's an emissary of the Valar - Celebrimbor didn't even ask why he lied in the first place, much less ask why Galadriel has a reason to distrust him. Later Annatar admits he lied AGAIN and wasn't sent by the Valar to help Celebrimbor, but came because he himself needed Celebrimbor's help. He didn't manipulate or even plan one single thing. He's just surrounded by complete idiots.
True that Sauron did nothing to Galadriel that would be seen as seeing inside her soul or manipulate her. Only did when she discovered him for few minutes during their conflict. Really laughable plotholes
Look, while you make all these great points, all it takes to demolish this show doesn't even involve having to go into any writing depth. All you have to do is simply look at it visually. Just the costume designs, props, and VFX are all so campy. The Orcs look like some cosplay outfit compared to the Orcs we're all familiar with from the Jackson trilogy. The locations don't look like actual locations, they look like set pieces built in a studio, and the props look like cheap junk bought online (don't even get me started on the "rings"). The show was designed with one purpose and one purpose only: not to pay homage or follow anything Tolkien wrote, but to gain new subscribers to Amazon.
Exactly. Then add hiring actors some of who are obviously old, or short, and all of them mostly very average looking - ones who mostly look like if some company decided to have a costume party and the employees mostly dressed as elves - for their elves. Forget the diversity hires, they are not even the main problem here. Their elves are not tall, slim, young looking actors that could be made to look at least somewhat different from the ones playing human characters in their show. Just the ears are definitely not enough. Compare that to the movies and their casting choices, especially the Lord of the Rings trilogy. And despair...
The thing that gets me the most is that Sauron had absolutely no reason to even go to Eregion and manipulate Celebrimbor in the first place. He seems to be smarter and better at this than Celebrimbor anyway, and he's not making rings for elves, so why not just go to Kazad-Dum and Numenor to make the rings for elves and men? Besides, as far as he knew, everyone in Eregion should've known he was Sauron and attacked him on sight! The only reason that wasn't the case was because Galadriel was a complete idiot!
Well, the show depicts Celebrimbor as a complete idiot. In the books he's one of, if not, the greatest Eleven smith, and even invents the magical substance for the door to Khazad Dum.
They have messed up every high elf: Galadriel, Gil-galad, Elrond, Celebrimbor. Celebrimbor is not the mightiest smith after Feanor. Eregion is dysfunctional: people do not trust their leaders but believe every word some stranger says. Sauron is too much humanized. Etc. Garbage…
Sauron rolled two points for persuasion and twenty for sheer dumb luck 😆I kinda wish RoP was a dumb DnD movie, it'd at least explain some of the wtfery
At least there was no novel for Amazon to follow, and they basically made up the story. This gives a skilful write the chance to rewrite the ehole thing - so everyone can casually laugh RoP into the box of cinema flops. We're not 'stuck' with this version, any more than we are stuck with any other film that is rereleased with modern, popular actors and CGI - like Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory. Someone else with a degree of talent can rewrite this nonsense starting right now, and give it to a director with an equal degree of talent. I'm sure the Tolkien family must be secretly crying out for this.
Sauron, the master manipulator of the Rings of Power who is also a beta simp for Galadriel. He does not pine for the wise, ethereal beauty, demigoddess elf queen of The Lord of the Rings movies or books. No, this Sauron craves the love of the Rings of Power Galadriel. An angry, condescending, self-centered whiner and complainer; and to be honest, a somewhat plain looking elf who would probably put Sauron down, every minute of every day, for eternity if she did marry him. Damn, why doesn’t the Rings of Power Sauron just hire a dominatrix if he wants that kind of abuse?
Well, the actress is described as "voluptuous" on her "stats" page on one of those celebrity stats sites, so maybe Sauron likes them short and with a good rack and behind. The real Galadriel would probably have scared this Sauron into a cardiac arrest just by standing where he could see her.
Sauron didn’t have the orcs attack so he could threaten Celebrimbor, he had the orcs attack so the elves and orcs could go to war with each other. If orcs are attacking then men and dwarves have a stronger reason to want the rings of power. If you’re going to critique the show, don’t make up stuff
Then shouldn't he want the orcs to attack when the rings are already made and he actually has them (and preferably when he already forged his One ring - ya know, like it was in the book)? What's the rush?
If you're going to defend the show, actually make sense. He didn't make anything up. Plus, that was only one small thing he spoke of in this video - what do you say to anything else brought up? Are you disappointed to realize that this show is actually dumpster fire?
The show is not good, the plot is poor writen but what really makes me angry is, that Sauron the great deceivern is nothing more than a third class wizard with cheap tricks and a bad temper. He does not manipulate Celebrimbor, he acts like a toxic boyfriend and loses his temper all the time. I wonder how he could keep it with Galadriel in season 1. Maybe she did cost him all his patience?!
When the Sauron you've written can't even convince orcs (creatures literally created for war) to go to war for him, you know you've messed up.
Sauron doesn't need to convince Orcs about anything. They should be utterly terrified of him, and basically on their faces begging him not to torture them anymore.
Halbarad revealed to Celebrimbor that he lied TWICE already (not a man, not a king), then said he's an emissary of the Valar - Celebrimbor didn't even ask why he lied in the first place, much less ask why Galadriel has a reason to distrust him. Later Annatar admits he lied AGAIN and wasn't sent by the Valar to help Celebrimbor, but came because he himself needed Celebrimbor's help.
He didn't manipulate or even plan one single thing. He's just surrounded by complete idiots.
This Sauron couldn't manipulate a doorknob.
True that Sauron did nothing to Galadriel that would be seen as seeing inside her soul or manipulate her. Only did when she discovered him for few minutes during their conflict. Really laughable plotholes
The Real Sauron wouldn't have to manipulate the orcs.
Look, while you make all these great points, all it takes to demolish this show doesn't even involve having to go into any writing depth. All you have to do is simply look at it visually.
Just the costume designs, props, and VFX are all so campy. The Orcs look like some cosplay outfit compared to the Orcs we're all familiar with from the Jackson trilogy. The locations don't look like actual locations, they look like set pieces built in a studio, and the props look like cheap junk bought online (don't even get me started on the "rings").
The show was designed with one purpose and one purpose only: not to pay homage or follow anything Tolkien wrote, but to gain new subscribers to Amazon.
Exactly.
Then add hiring actors some of who are obviously old, or short, and all of them mostly very average looking - ones who mostly look like if some company decided to have a costume party and the employees mostly dressed as elves - for their elves. Forget the diversity hires, they are not even the main problem here. Their elves are not tall, slim, young looking actors that could be made to look at least somewhat different from the ones playing human characters in their show. Just the ears are definitely not enough.
Compare that to the movies and their casting choices, especially the Lord of the Rings trilogy. And despair...
I would love to see a video about
“How to write a master manipulator: Shogun (Lord Yoshii Toranaga)”
The thing that gets me the most is that Sauron had absolutely no reason to even go to Eregion and manipulate Celebrimbor in the first place. He seems to be smarter and better at this than Celebrimbor anyway, and he's not making rings for elves, so why not just go to Kazad-Dum and Numenor to make the rings for elves and men? Besides, as far as he knew, everyone in Eregion should've known he was Sauron and attacked him on sight! The only reason that wasn't the case was because Galadriel was a complete idiot!
Well, the show depicts Celebrimbor as a complete idiot. In the books he's one of, if not, the greatest Eleven smith, and even invents the magical substance for the door to Khazad Dum.
*New subscribers* no. 37 here. Great video and I’m looking forward to watching your back catalogue. Cheers!
They massacred my boy Celembrimbor so bad!!! Its seriously criminal the casting, and depiction!!!
They have messed up every high elf: Galadriel, Gil-galad, Elrond, Celebrimbor. Celebrimbor is not the mightiest smith after Feanor. Eregion is dysfunctional: people do not trust their leaders but believe every word some stranger says. Sauron is too much humanized. Etc. Garbage…
Like this breakdown
Sauron rolled two points for persuasion and twenty for sheer dumb luck 😆I kinda wish RoP was a dumb DnD movie, it'd at least explain some of the wtfery
i just love this good videos with small viewers with no ads. Sorry DBH.
At least there was no novel for Amazon to follow, and they basically made up the story. This gives a skilful write the chance to rewrite the ehole thing - so everyone can casually laugh RoP into the box of cinema flops.
We're not 'stuck' with this version, any more than we are stuck with any other film that is rereleased with modern, popular actors and CGI - like Willy Wonka's Chocolate Factory.
Someone else with a degree of talent can rewrite this nonsense starting right now, and give it to a director with an equal degree of talent. I'm sure the Tolkien family must be secretly crying out for this.
Sauron, the master manipulator of the Rings of Power who is also a beta simp for Galadriel. He does not pine for the wise, ethereal beauty, demigoddess elf queen of The Lord of the Rings movies or books.
No, this Sauron craves the love of the Rings of Power Galadriel. An angry, condescending, self-centered whiner and complainer; and to be honest, a somewhat plain looking elf who would probably put Sauron down, every minute of every day, for eternity if she did marry him. Damn, why doesn’t the Rings of Power Sauron just hire a dominatrix if he wants that kind of abuse?
Well, the actress is described as "voluptuous" on her "stats" page on one of those celebrity stats sites, so maybe Sauron likes them short and with a good rack and behind. The real Galadriel would probably have scared this Sauron into a cardiac arrest just by standing where he could see her.
Nice video bro! Keep going! 🖖
Sauron didn’t have the orcs attack so he could threaten Celebrimbor, he had the orcs attack so the elves and orcs could go to war with each other. If orcs are attacking then men and dwarves have a stronger reason to want the rings of power. If you’re going to critique the show, don’t make up stuff
Then shouldn't he want the orcs to attack when the rings are already made and he actually has them (and preferably when he already forged his One ring - ya know, like it was in the book)? What's the rush?
If you're going to defend the show, actually make sense. He didn't make anything up. Plus, that was only one small thing he spoke of in this video - what do you say to anything else brought up? Are you disappointed to realize that this show is actually dumpster fire?
If you're going to defend the show don't make up stuff
The show is not good, the plot is poor writen but what really makes me angry is, that Sauron the great deceivern is nothing more than a third class wizard with cheap tricks and a bad temper. He does not manipulate Celebrimbor, he acts like a toxic boyfriend and loses his temper all the time.
I wonder how he could keep it with Galadriel in season 1. Maybe she did cost him all his patience?!
Honest question did you go into season 2 with an open mind or did you decide from the beginning you were going to hate it?
What's the difference?
The show did accomplish one thing: made me want to see a remake.
this is good
Cherry picking
Oh please - how is this cherry picking? Are you just disappointed to realize the show is dumpster fire?
We can go orchard picking if you want.