My DN4816-O Setup with my Behringer XR18 - Midas' Comeback
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 พ.ค. 2023
- This is a quick Overview of how I set up for FOH, and use the DN 4816-O for In Ear Monitor Rigs for Bands! I believe this is a Midas Comeback for making this product, and if used right can be used for all Gigs! Currently only good for the X/M Air 12,16,18 Series. X/M32 compact, Full size Consoles. S/DL 16, 32 Stage Boxes. Behringer Wing, Stage Connection. As of this Video, this is my demonstration of my XR 18.
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Where did you get the rack mount spacer? I like the fact you can put the cables right through it.
I looked it up on Amazon “Management Panel with Brush”
Thanks @seantallica2020, great content and coverage of the Ultranet connectivity options. I have a question: If I connect the Behringer X Air XR18 via USB to Logic Pro X (LPX) to record a multitrack live show using the guitar input (from one of the Hi-Z inputs) loaded with FX plug-ins in LPX (modeling, reverb, pedalboard, etc.), would the FOH (via the Midas DN4816-O) only receive the direct guitar input, or would it also receive what I hear in my IEM (with the FX plug-ins)?
This is a pretty good question, I haven’t really looked into that, this is what I would do:
1. I want to know how many channels to send to the FOH, bc we are limited to 16 outs.
2. The only other answer to that is on your channel 1 or 2(Hi-Z) will not send to FOH(Basically DI signal) instead you need to send its back from LPX, here’s how I would do it:
Channel 1, guitar input
Channel 2 USB 2(coming from LPX)
On the p16 page 1-16 choose usb 2(that will send that usb from LPX)
I am assuming while you record, you also have a track playing back what your plugins are on(that will be USB 2)
From then you can use channel 2(from Xr 18) as a analog fader, send it to Buses, and your p16 is set, I hope that helps pls tell me if I got it or not!!
can you show an example sending the signal of the midas unit to your in monitor system and how you control the volume for it?
Hi bro !
Thanks for your amazing videos.
I have a question. Do you know if I can use the midas DN4888 to add inputs and outputs to my XR18?
Can I use ultranet - output 1 ( stage connect ) in the DN4888 for sending and receiving sound?
Thanks in advance!
On the XR18 you cannot add more channels or outputs(from what I’ve seen) the Xr/Mr, x/m32 cannot use stage connect, only the wing, but only ultranet, I have not use the DN48-88, but stage connect is strictly the Wing, I only use the DN4816-O to send raw channels 1-16 out to a dif mixer.
Hey, curious if the outputs on the Midas unit sound any better (cleaner?) than the behringer? I’m familiar with the behringer’s outputs, just wondering if the Midas, (conversion) is any better. Thanks!
This unit only sends the “line out” of the Behringer, from the P16 1-16 channels, so that means the preamp from the Behringer is being send through this unit, I believe if you used the input version of the unit it costs more due to having the Midas preamps.
In my case I now use the m32C(DL32) and I hear a difference in preamps, when I send the p16 to this unit from my m32, it is the same, line out of what preamp is being sent:
S32
dL32
Xr12/16/18
X32
M32
@seantallica2020 fyi I have the DN4816-I and it does not have preamps but only accepts line level inputs.
Very clean setup! What rack are you using?
I found this one off of eBay! Seismic audio 4U
@@seantallica2020 Thaaanks
Hey! João from Brazil here! It's a little hard for me understand the use of the DN 4816-O and DN 4816-I connected at the XR18. we have a XR18, and we are looking for ways to have more in/out channels because they got not enough for us. Can you explain if the DN 4816-O and DN 4816-I can add more in/out channels to the XR18, or is just a solution to don't use the plugs on the XR18? would the s32 a solution to us? it works? thank you so much!
Sorry for the late response! My understanding is that the DN4816-O can only be used on the xr18, not the 48-16-I(from my research) But this is what I used it for a while back:
1-16 outs(from the DN) are raw inputs from my XR18(1-16) and I send that signal to another iem board, or a non Music Tribe Board.
You not only can send raw channels 1-18(including different tap points) but it uses the P-16 built in, hence the ultranet in and out from the DN, you can also send:
LR
Buses 1-6(dif tap points)
FX 1-4
The mentioned channels in 1-18(dif tap points)
USB 1-18(if your XR 18 is connected to your computer)
And of course headphones
It does not add extra INDIVIDUAL OUTS, but the same amount as the board
You cannot expand 16 buses, though you can but it has to be either 1-6 of the buses!
I hope that helps, I know there are more videos out that can explain better!
We want this for a similar but slightly different purpose, to connect the DN4816-O outputs to the front of house while using the XR-18s aux outputs for our IEMs. This should also be possible, right?
This is possible, my only worry is who will set the Gain, my example is Me(FOH) send 16 outs to the IEM(Band) your example will work, but you have to make sure to set gain right and DO NOT adjust it during the show, as for FOH will not be able to adjust it, they will only receive line level signal, while setting up adjust all your inputs to at least -18 as that is 0 dBfs for the XR 18, also on the p16 leave all tap points at Input, hope this helps!
Can we perharps just use long cat5 cable (30 meters length in example) and then put the DN4816 beside the FOH mixers instead of put the DN4816 in the same rack with XR? I mean to make xlr requirement shorter for connectiing the analog out to the FOH Mixers.
I hope u understand my words. Pardon for my bad english.
I completely understand! For my use I am the FOH so I can sit this in stage, but your for a band it’s best to sit your IEM on stage and the DN next to the FOH board!
I got the point
Thanks brother !!
really nice setup - only downfall i see is not being able do live recordings multi track from usb
Yeah the USB port is only for firmware updates, which have yet to happen
Can you share a practical use with this setup in a live environment
This next gig coming up I will be able to record it in a live use!
Hello budy, how are you ? Do you have the measurements for this case? I'm building one like yours but I can't find this case, thank you!
Outer Dimensions with Doors On:
Height: 9" - Width: 17 3/4" - Depth: 21"
Inside Dimensions: Mounting Space:
4U - 7"
Rail to Back with Rear Door On:
14 1/2"
Front Rail to Rear Rail:
12"
All the channels on my XR18 started loosing high frequencies as the caps dried out.
That’s sad to hear. I’ve had mine over 2 years and I constantly take care of it, blowing air in each connection, cleaning, having it off when ever I can
I don't get it, is there an update for these to have more mixbusses outputting through ultranet ?
I don’t believe so, the purpose of me having it is to send 16 “raw” channels to a bands IEM, or even the Front of house mixer, I am currently running tests to see how much I can do on the Xair series, and the x32 series, this is a brand new stage box meant for stage connect, this weekend I will be using it to full potential and make a video about it so everyone fully knows!
@@seantallica2020 ooh yeah got it.
@@cocofocan sadly Midas doesn’t show enough info for the ultranet side, only thing I know is any gain change will effect the output of the channels even if the tap point is set to “input”
However DN4816-O cost more than 2x Behringer MS8000 passive XLR splitter. And passive splitter will work even in the console is off. Is there any advantage to use this instead of a passive XLR splitter?
This is mainly for the XR, X32 and wing series, a couple of caveats as you stated, but I ran many years using a passive splitter and got tired of hauling it bc of the 2 Xlr tails, and the weight, on this it’s: one cable, 1U rack, you can choose what you can output not just the channels(A big Plus for the x32M32 series), less weight for not carrying any xlr tails, it benefited me and of course there are opinions, to me there is no right or wrong way, just what we are comfortable with, I will make a video soon on the good and the bad!
Can we see this in action and how it works for you? Because we have P16’s for the musicians and im curious how this would work practicality wise for us…
It works like the P16, sends the direct out of channels 1-16, I will try to have a example soon. In the works
I'm probably not understanding something but from this video makes no sense to me and yes the P16s are perfect. They give each person a personal monitor mix digitally. No need for a snake or the DN4816-O just have the XR18 on stage for the inputs and FOH can just connect to wifi with a computer to the XR18 for the main mix. (he did write FOH so I assume that is what they are doing?)
actually I saw the follow up video and I'm even more confused. He has an M32 + the XR18 + another mackie digital mixer + the DN4816-O and he is using the ultranet just to go from the XR18 to the DN4816-O in a single rack just to have more outputs for the Mackie. I might be missing something but this seems way more complicated than it needs to be.
Onde vende esse modelo de case? Entrei em contato com a som case e eles não tem.
I found this case in eBay, they are rare, sorry!
What is the name of your rack mount?
Lightweight 4 Space Mid-Size ABS Rack Case - 4U PA DJ Medium Depth Rack Case
you can come out this, and go to FOH, correct? Using the XR18 aux for IEMs, and the DN4816-O to send out, to the FOH.
Correct! Only for me, I have them plug into my XR, and send the direct channels out to their IEM, both way work! I like to keep control of the gain for the musicians!
@@seantallica2020 If the FOH is mixing with an iPad, dont they only need a main out? As they would control the tracks of the XR18 with an iPad? Or would they still need the DN4816?
@@daltonclements6667 yes they could actually just use the Xr only, and the musicians can control the iem with their iPad, and the FOH can use theirs on the same internet. But I’ve come across where the FOH engineer doesn’t know digital, or has their own analog mixer. It’s always good to have a back up, I’ve had this happened multiple times, but in the end it worked!
Is it still possible to use only 6 bus sends?
Yes, you are only able to use what the XAir offers from the ultranet:
1-16
Aux
Bus 1-6
Main LR
FX LR 1-4
FX snd 1-4
Usb 1-18
@@seantallica2020 Could you make a video showing how you did this setup?
@@rafaeloliveira-vp5lj I will soon!
I don't understand how this Midas DN4816-O removes the need for a splitter. I know it connects via Ethernet, but... each band member would just plug into the front of the XR18 and then the Midas DN4816-O does what....
There are other ways to use the rack unit, you could use it for more outputs like on the m32, send 16 bus sends off of the main board, and maybe 1-6 matrix from the the DN4816-O
For my use, since I use my M32 for FOH, I use the DN to send 16 raw channels for a bands IEM setup, in my case for one band I send 1-15, and for channel 16 I send a talk back channel to them. It’s good for my use but it’s different for others
What’s the depth of that rack case?
19”
But with Doors on its 21”
Wait, I thought these only worked for the m32 and x32 and not the xr Series
Anything with ultranet and stage connect! It’s perfect for the XR and MR series to send 16 outs
Wait what? So, have you not just converted Ultranet to analog at this point? Seems like you've created an endpoint for Ultranet without utilizing any other digital hardware.
I’m assuming you mean just the DN4816-0? It’s only able to connect to the X/MR 18, X/M32 to send 16 channels out, I am just utilizing the line outs of the channels for iem, or FOH use
What does your IEM setup look like? I've only ever used Allen & Heath ME-U and ME-1 systems.@@seantallica2020
Serious? You have the L end in the cable and you don’t put it in the xr18 output? If you change the confections of the Ethernet cable ends, you don’t need to disconnect the cable of the xr18 to close the rack
I couldn’t find the other L(up) from Amazon, so I used the down one I had, safe to say since I’m using a m32, I will make so to get the right angle!
@@seantallica2020 it’s ok, i see the L angle in the rack behind the DN4816-O, instead the xr18 output, that’s what I’m talking about 👍🏼 but I thing you change it at the end of the video. It’s a really clean setup and minimalist 🙌🏼