Baade 152 Jetliner Promo Film - 1960
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- RARE, RARE stuff! For educational & non commercial purposes only. Lot's of scenes inside the plant at Dresden, mock-up interiors, a bit of take-off scenery, and nice shots of Il-14s as well! Be sure to check my channel for the best in VINTAGE & RARE airliner videos!
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I work at Dresden Airport doing Airport tours, and this is one part of it. We got the last fuselage sitting here that you can visit and you get explained all the history upon the end of production and disassembly. It's a very interesting but sad story, after all. If anyone is near Dresden, I definetly recommend visiting the fuselage. This plane surely was ahead of its age!
That must be an amazing job.
A sad story indeed. From what I heard about it, that aircraft was well ahead of it´s time and had a lot of potential.
@@boris2457 Sad? Not sure. It wasn't ahead of its time, compared to the Boeing 707 or Tupolev airliners. It was very much a Nazi-era type jet design, 15 years too late. Advanced for the DDR? Sure. But globally, not a hope.
Ahead? It was behind all of its contemporaries. Thankfully the trash crashed without any passengers onboard.
@@CAL1MBO Ok...How do you know that? I don´t know much about the technology of the Baade, neither do I know much about aircrafts, so I have to rely on the informations I got from the internet. And from what I read and saw, I got the impression that the Baade was ahead of it´s time...And it certainly looks cool
In 1946, the Red Army hauled Baade and his Junkers engineers at Dessau off to Podberezje in Russia where they were put to work designing and developing jet warplanes for the Soviets. They would build three prototypes of each design, two for ground testing and one for flight testing. On the side, they scaled up a bomber design as a prototype jet airliner. In 1948 the Soviets began to encourage their project. Not long after Stalin's date in 1953, the Soviet released them to return to Dresden,. The plan was to build factories and put the jet liner into production. The Russians supported the project with technology and equipment.
The video shows first prototype, which was half-bomber, half airliner. It first flew on 4 December 1958. The tandem landing gear in the fuselage is strictly bomber, as it is stowed in what would have to be the passenger compartment in an airliner. It also retained the bomber-styled nose windows. The second prototype was completely a passenger airliner. It had pods at mid-wing carrying the engines and landing gear. The front window was gone. But it retained the high wing, which in turn demanded a lower floor-which in turn took way luggage storage. The design included a small room at the back of the main cabin for suitcases. It first flew in August 1960.
Like many aerospace projects, the 152 was over budget and behind schedule. Sales were miniscule. The Kremlin declined to buy any. Finally, in spring of 1961, the Politburo in East Berlin stopped the financial hemorrhaging. It ordered the factories closed and the complete destruction of all aircraft. 24,000 workers were reassigned. The files were locked and sent to Moscow. Not a rivet was left. Thus the mystery of the disappearance of East Germany's airliner.
I was Boeing's Chief Scientist for Europe when the wall came down. I visited the factories at Dresden, which were then maintenance depots for jet fighters and helicopters. No one spoke about the phantom airliner. Over dinner, however, the marketing manager mentioned only that they used to build jet airliners in the 1950s and that the Russians had ordered the complete erasure of the airliner program. Nothing remained. I was skeptical. Too pat.
Credible aerospace acquaintances in West Germany later told me they had heard rumors of the mystery airplane. I sold the story to AIR & SPACE Smithsonian Air&Space and returned to Germany to dig.Many people helped me piece together the story. I talked to engineers who had been with Baade at Dessau in 1944, through the Russian years and back to Dresden. A manufacturing engineer who was there to the end showed me the 152 fuselage that escaped the purge. It had been used as a warehouse at a East German air force base just across the Neiße River from southern Poland. Moscow had sent back the program files, from which the people at the factory gave me invaluable photos and documents. My article appeared in the March 1996 issue of AIR & SPACE Smithsonian. You can view it at www.fredstahl.com/assets/air-space-smithn-east-germany-s-airliner••.pdf
-FredStahl.com
wow what an amazing piece! thanks for sharing :)
@Greg Bloomfield - Don't fall in the old "looks similar, must be a copy"-trap! The Buran, "the Soviet space shuttle" you're talking about, has a profoundly different concept (e.g. no engines of its own) and it was designed to fulfill the same task, facing the same challenges as the American Space Shuttle, so no wonder the result is similar.
Too bad that magazin didn't have 152 pages, so they had to put it on page #52. :)
Thank you very much for your valuable contribution. As a child growing up in East Germany I only found traces of this aircraft in some older aerospace related books (published in 1959-1961) present in the local library. Only in 1982 it was briefly mentioned again in the Q&A section of the aerospace journal "Flieger-Revue". Besides that it was mentioned in some economics related literature. AND one could buy a metal toy version of that airplane, albeit without any marking referring to the original plane being of east german provinience.
@Greg Bloomfield "Soviet space shuttle was a near-duplicate of the American original" errrr no, not even close.
I love the shots of in-flight amenities, wonderful meals, comfortable seats. I kinda held my breath when the guy reclined his seat, then I remembered, back then the passenger behind him wouldn't have started a fist fight. Everyone is dressed up as a matter of self respect and respect to others. Parents are monitoring their children so the kids are sitting bored and kicking the seat in front of them. Nobody is wearing t-shirts that say f *** you b***ch. Also notice, nobody is 500 lbs. They're all within normal weight range.
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You nailed it. Flight, then, was a true royal experience. What a treat.
Wow! Thank you for this! I have never seen the cabin of one of these planes. This had to be the strangest airliner ever - that's perhaps why I like it so much. I read that the quality of the workmanship and overall finish was very good.
Check out the passenger mix in the promo at the end...Waaaay ahead of it's time and would've been unthinkable in the USA - I think you know what I mean when you see it.
Yea because it's not like they had any propaganda back then to make the other guy look bad.
You do realize that this aircraft never entered commercial service?. It was a disaster, unsafe, a terrible adaption of the B-37 bomber. Check out the DVD Strategic Air Command. Jimmy Stewart is flying at B-37. Stability was a key issue, take a good look at the rear bogie. Four wheels popping out of the center line of the fuselage. Stability on landing was a huge issue along with a terrible fuel system. Of the three prototypes that actually flew, one crashed although it was a state secret until 1990. With as many failures as the EastGermans/Russians had it was best to keep all mouths shut.
+Alec Cherrington You mean all the beer and food being served ..... Right? :)
Yes, but of course, we actually HAVE black people...
Andrew Tubbiolo 12:23 No he doesn't mean "all the beer and food", he means the marxist race-mixing agenda. Since 1945 until today, there has never been a time when any less than one hundred thousand American troops were stationed in Germany, the Marxist Policy makers in Washington ensured that more than half of those troops were black men - but the German women never took the bait and the race-mixing didn't happen.
Well, my grandfather was chief-welding engineer for the turbines Pirna 014. Design was ahead of it' s time, because place of turbines is best for maintenance. As tandem gear. It was never unsave - there are some docus about the story in behind that east german government spending billions to building up a new aircraft industry, succesful testing was done, but Soviet Union took never 100 planes they asked before. First part of desaster, chief constructor Baade advised for flight manoeuvres before overflight Leipzig Trade Exhibition, then crashed. See also: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baade_152
wow this amazing and surprisingly rare !!! This aircraft looks more like military transport plane rather then an airliner.
Like a tubby Yakovlev "Firebar"!
@@andrewunjo158 More like the bastard child of a Yak-25 "Flashlight" and a Boeing B-47 Stratojet...😏
I used to work in Dresden often around 2001 and saw a small tribute display to this aircraft in Dresden airport! two passenger seats, a pilots seat, engine and nose wheel if I remember correctly? everything else was scrapped....
Very interesting video. I had never heard of the Baade 152 Jetliner! Thank you for posting a real "gem"!
Der damals modernste Jetliner im Ostblock! Durfte dann auf Befehl MOSKAUS aber nicht in Serie gebaut werden. Der Ostblock hatte eben mit sowjetischen Flugzeugen zu fliegen. Ein tolles Zeitdokumente, zur Erinnerung an die deutsche Ingenieurskunst "Made in DDR!"
Die Kiste war nicht ausgereift und ist abgestürzt, das war der Grund.
@@hartmut9001
Jetzt treibt sich der Vollhonk sogar hier rum...
Keine Ahnung von nix aber s Maul aufreißen....
Keine Freunde gehabt als Kind?
As others have already mentioned - this thing looks like variation of the B-47.
Very nice... Thanks for the footage.... Really nice to watch... Those days were good... They were doing manually.... Hat's off to those guys....
Much more fun than any DDR drone could ever dream of...........and half the people on the plane were STASI AGENTS!!!!!!!!!
Yep. The other half were, of course, undercover Soviet KGB agents...😏
It never entered service.Nice film,thanks for sharing.
Yeah... didn't understand a word of it. And it didn't matter. Great video. And when you consider that 15 years before the place was rubble, its amazing.
The footage inside the cabin is a sound stage mockup with actors.
looks like some aviation design work Thunderbirds International tv show.
EXACTLY!!! Even the sound on the heinous take-off roll was pure Thunderbirds. Only their stuff really worked!!! LOL...
Ein wunderbares Zeitdokument....herrlich! :-)
@13:28 How prophetic and symbolic! The plane vanishes in the haze - what, in fact, it soon did!
It's still in service with Interflop East German airlines and Ryanair...
Sorry, but it was never ever in service with any airline. Only 3 flyable prototypes were made: 1 in 1958 which crashed in 1959 when flying for the second time (the aircraft shown in the film) and 2 in 1960 of which only one was allowed to fly 2 times. After ever more problems surfaced and the interest by airlines for the product evaporated the program was cancelled in early 1961. Because serial production had already been started not only the prototypes but also some almost completed pre-series aircraft had to be scrapped. The scenes with passengers shown in the film were shot in the 1:1 mock-up.
Sehr schönes Flugzeug.
Ganz klarer Fall, bei min 7:30, das ist Christiano Ronaldo.
Danke fürs uploaden... toller Film. ;-)
An heir of the Junkers lineage, notably of the late-WWII EF-132 multiple-jet bomber prototype - whose blueprints, data and factory tools were steadily sent to Russia. But part of the know-how and the remaining insfrastructure was brought together at the Dresden plant and the Rudolf Baade team managed to churn out this remarkable design - taking in account the severe financial and technological restrictions the GDR was undergoing at the time... "Prost!"
What a good video showing human ingenuity and skills impressive
Ok plane (well behind what was available in the West), but great video itself. The camera work is really good.
How do you know it was "well behind"? After all Germany still had some skillful engineers even after the Americans and Russians "invited" a lot of them to thier countries.
Lukas Rauhofer When this plane first flew, the Boeing 707 was already entering service which was a more advanced design with separate engine podding for all engines (better protection against fires), larger passenger capacity, and a cruise speed that matched the Baade 152's VMax.
Blitzvogel Mobius This was a short-medium range aircraft, so its intended competion would be the Avro Canada C102 and Tu-124. Unfortunately, both the Baade 152 and C102 were cancelled for political reasons, and the West developed the Caravelle, BAC-111 and DC-9. In the somewhat larger class we later saw the Comet 4B, the Trident and the hugely successful Boeing 727, which led to the Tu-154. The latter two are still flying, but suffer from noisy older engines and old avionics. Note that 1960 is pretty late for this plane to be first flying, but given the destruction and plunder of Germany in 1945, this was a notable achievement. As so often, it is sad to see so much effort go for naught, something the British did in spades, of course.
The C102 was too primitive a design, IE jets bolted onto a design with piston engine sensibilities. The Tu-104 was already in service and the Baade 152 seemed quite unnecessary when Tupolev was handling passenger aircraft design quite well for the Soviet Union. In regards to East Germany, yes by this point they had recovered well, but realistically, Germany's legacy of aeronautical research and prowess is what made the Soviets so successful after the second world war. They captured so many German scientists and researchers.
But it would have been heresy to contemplate for even a second Warsaw Pact airlines operating western equipment. Communist supremacy had to be maintained. At least to their own people.
Awesome to see this which most people have never heard of
i like how at the landing gear test a jet engine sound plays
The GDR was forced to abandon their project, as the Soviets wanted them to buy the Tu-124. The Baade 152 was never put into production because Moscow wanted East Germany to but their planes. They never build another passenger jet aircraft, all because their masters in the Kremlin forbade it!
Revolutionary Socialist Media
"The Baade 152, was never put in production, because Moscow COMMANDED, (ORDERED), East Germany, (DDR), to buy THEIR planes.!!!
Simple.!!!!
No. The 152 crashed, and Moscow influenced.
Revolutionary Socialist Media fukin commies, and we all know how successful tupolevs were.
Thanks for posting.
This plane reminds me of B-47
It looks like they attempted a similar airplane.
This was a disaster.
Wrong. It resembles the B-52. The OSS got in May 45 blueprints of the latest German designs.
With the design would say that this can be revived with certain improvements.
Interesting film. Many thanks.
Notable as it would seem to be the first jet passenger plane with just 2 engines mounted on the wing. Way before the 737. Or are there 2 engines side by side.
It’s two engines side by side, so four in total
Edit: The Tu-104 which first flew in 1955 could be the first real twin jet for passenger use!
Notice it has some resemblance to the Arado Ar 234.
Very clever, the narration is in German and so are the subtitles!
I was thinking about the Stasi the whole time I watched this. I imagine every one of those engineers were under surveillance.
@@jepolch In America, engineers design and fly planes. In DDR, Soviet engineers design and fly YOU!...
Early Jetliners like this and the Avro C102 just didn't make it for various reasons .
Incredible footage of German engineering!
Exactly. Americans don't realize 99% everything they use now days was thought of from the homeland Deutschland
Why America brought all those Techniques and techs here to usa.
Too bad there were no English sub-titles. Seen photos of this plane over the years in books, glad this video popped up. Looks like the designers took a queue from Boeing withe regards to the B-46/52 style landing gear.
There are subtitles -- you have to click the settings control and select a language. Now, the English subtitles are really horrid translations but at least they're something.
B-47
Amazing!
Do you know about one plane survived or exhists at technology museum in Germany ?
The fuselage of one which never was completed is on display at Dresden Airport! As good as I know you can see it and even go inside when attending an airport tour!
WOW! Very fascinating movie of a forgotten piece of german aviation history. Look at the similarities of this jet to a B-52! Unfortunately the soviets didn't like it, they decided to be the only jetliner industry in the eastern bloc, so everything (not only the plane) had to be scrapped...
Great history.
Looks like some Boeing B-47 Stratojet influence there.
Good eye, bearbon2! After WWII, the Army contracted with Boeing to develop a successor to the B-29. The preliminary design had straight wing. Suddenly, the engineers in Seattle got an urgent call from Germany. A team of Boeing engineers and Army intel officers was surveying occupied German aero R&D centers when they discovered the design for a highly efficient swept wing, as confirmed by its prototype test data. Seattle swapped the new-technology swept wing into what became the B-47 and later the 707. As one consequence, the 707 was more efficient the British Comet, its swept wing competitor. Fred Stahl, Formerly Boeing's Chief Scientist for Europe.
wtf? I cant see that
The idea for axial flow gas turbine dated to as early as 1922. Both the USSR and USA bench tested early axial flow engines before ww2. Britain's Frank Whittle who developed his Centrifugal flow engine said "if we want a jet engine for this war it has to be Centrifugal flow. Axial flow will be for the next war".
@@binaway he was right. alas rover blocked him from getting his jet out there in the late 30s. then once the british aircraft industry had his centrifugal flow engine, they once again blocked his turbofan engine! so he went to the usa...
did you the size of the seats? not the sardine cans of today
East Germany! They didn't have to make a profit so the sky is the limit.
Baade 152 was a Junkers 152 by another name :-)
When Soviets were presented this 10:15 they saw a freaking Junkers bomber leaving production, and the whole Eastern German aviation program was promptly cancelled.
12:24
Pay attention to black men. Can you imagine such advertisement in the US in 1960?
Classless, socialist paradise. I've seen the same thing in other promo films from behind the Iron Curtain.
Can you imagine Stalin killing 1M of your own people over some collective grain scheme in the 50's, not to mention thousands of political prisoners and much of the military and political leadership of your country?
Wichtig für diese Entwicklung war wohl die Möglichkeit mit kurzen Start- und Landebahnen zurechtzukommen. Es war das erste deutsche Strahlgetriebene Verkehrsflugzeug. Das weder der Westen noch die russischen Freunde Interesse an der Entwicklung hatten äußerte sich in vielen Sabotageakten hatte . Aber das Ende der Entwicklung lag wohl auch in der Stornierung eines russischen Auftrags.
This plane share some features of USA B-47 bomber.
No. You are wrong. It was inspired by a Soviet bomber.
It seemed like a big Harrier AV8...
incredible
Die Musik ist großartig!
von Ritz Ortolani aus Italien, der in den 60ern auch für die Defa Musik schrieb...er vertonte auch einen Winnetou Film: th-cam.com/video/cNUbxriBiRE/w-d-xo.html&t
Oh the metallic howl of Soviet era jets.....
The Soviet block was advanced it certain ways, in regard to social issues. Like the mixed race couple on the plane, and plenty of women working building the aircraft.
Wow! Nice video! Never heard about this plane. Well hidden by the soviets.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baade_152
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OKB-1_150
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junkers_Ju_287
Thanks Olav de With, it's a nice video, with an awesome quality despite its age. Regards from SBBR!
It is an east germam plane not a soviet .
namgial angdus fargo Yes, i know. But east germany were alligned with USSR, which didn't get enough attention to the project, but certainly received some tecnology.
Nothing left East Germany without Soviet approval...
So the Soviet Union stopped the program?
genial video saludos
All this work, massive factories and thousands of workers - for nothing. Soviet style!
Круто)спасибо
more headroom than the tu124 for sure!
Sadly, for all the crazy ass design three prototypes flew just three flights, never entering commercial service. The Russians slammed down their beefy fist ordering the East Germans to buy their TU-24's. That was the death blow to Junkers.
I like things that're different and unique, and this plane is definitely both of those things, but it's too bad I don't speak German....lol
A Failed jet bomber and a problem plagued set of test flights.
It was best in drilling holes in the soil
baade 152 kaput first and ddr kaput later
Well, it was a handsome plane at the very least.
Leider war es nach 2 Flügen vorbei...
Ich dachte schon der Film ist verschollen.
Really baade...
East Germany had a very 1984 type feel to it from watching these videos, even more than the vibe I get from the Soviet Union.
Big Bolshevik Brother in Moscow was always watching...🤬
Better than a 737 max.
Looks similar to the Il-76
Jesus H Christ that is possibly the Ugliest Air Plane ever built!
no Airbus a380 is
Brett Bass check out the Boeing x-32
That nose 4:36 sort of creepy looking😁
Love the Convairski's at the beginning of the video.
Illyushin Comm-vairs...
You mean the knock offs which actually came to the market first?
Soviets be like: They don’t want another Yugoslavia like scenario where they able to create their own to supplant what was bought from abroad.
UGLY inside, ugly outside.!!!
Tipical "Trabant" lines.!!!
You don't understand history very well, do you?
if a B47 carried passengers
the lady in red was speaking jive
Its crazy how germans dont have their commercial jets!!! Only usa and france... But germany is still strong
Never heard of the Airbus family of worldwide successful jets, the only serious competitor of Boeing?
It is a European co-production of several countries, though, given the magnitude of such an undertaking.
Airbus is 1/3 German
The largest production line for Airbus narrowbodies is located in Hamburg, do you even know what you’re talking about?
Só cerveja.
its a bomber
Ein kleiner B-52 ..
A glowing example of central planning in a socialist society.
That is one butt-ugly machine!!!! :-0
It looks a bit like a B52
Mein Fuhrer! Der nose gear be folden flopin,.
Wer keine Autos bauen kann, sollte die Finger von Flugzeugen lassen
КЛАССС
Ridiculous plane... with ridiculous top speed....and ridiculous range... and ridiculous east german government.. expecting contracts from USSR... native land of Tupolev.. YAK... Ilyushin..
and all that was for nothing.sad indeed.what a lot of wasted talent.
They already had Euros €€€
Did commies have the occasion to fly around a lot?
They had to wait there 15 years for a ticket, just like for a car.....
@@larrythechief8233 Yeah. It's like the Soviets building the Concordski - did a lot of Communist business execs need to get around Russia fast? How much money, effort and time did they waste competing with the West in areas they should have simply ignored?
Propoganda
The ugliest jet ever built... But still nice.
Why are people in the vintage airliner videos so greedy? They want trays of foods and gallons of alcohol.
Was für ein Schrott ^^
Max Schneider Was für ein Dummkopf
Max Schneider wenn dummheit wehtun würde würdest du den ganzen tag schreihen
es ist schon erstaunlich auf was für einen niviau sich manscher wessi bewegt!
+Bernd mühle Sei nicht so hart mit ihm. Die Wessis bücken sich jeden Tag vor Cheffchen, Kunden usw. , verlieren nacheinander alles Liebgewonnene ( D-Mark, Meinungsfreiheit, Wohlstand, Pressefreiheit usw. )
Die brauchen um das zu ertragen jemanden der angeblich noch beschissener dran ist.
ok aber entschuldigen gibts nicht
The Trabant of the Aerospace industry.
Solche Riesenfenster in 35.000 Fuß... Ich weiss ja nicht.