@@SWong37 It's not nearly that simple because the qcb+mp gives you slaps, so just doing hcb will give you overlapping input windows and hitting mp will trigger the slaps first. You need to do 212321(pause)4+mp~hk. So basically, you open only the qcb window, delay opening the hcb window, then wait for the qcb window to close before going to 4 to get the b+mp for kara while the command grab window is still active to cancel into command grab. Yeah, it's complicated.
@@SirGrimly The kara technique is used to extend your special move's or super move's range. In 3rd Strike's case, you do it by cancelling the first frame of a normal with either a throw, the universal overhead, and specials and supers as mentioned before.
Don't play fighting games, don't know what's going on beyond who's winning. This is still damn fun to watch. Something about Q is entertaining too, so different.
@@Oh-Ben Yeah, I don't know the terms like meaty or appreciate the amazing back and forth dance and use of space by both experts, but he's a funny guy and engaging. I've become a bit of a fan of his on TH-cam these last few months, despite knowing about him since his daigo Evo moment and his legendary status as an Evo champ.
@@nefariousnilbog In Street Fighter, and most fighting games when you press an attack the move has three phases. Startup, contact, and recovery. Each part is measured in a short time frame know as a frame. Usually moves connect immediately l so you hit the first part. But on wake-up for example when getting up you are immune so you can time it, and hit a later active frame. This means that you get to act sooner than normal which is absurdly useful in fighting games. Essentially it's timing a move so that after you can move quickly to get a better combo, better pressure, or better mixups after. It can also make unsafe moves possible to throw out.
@@nefariousnilbog It's amazing how Daigo's Evo Moment has been influential, I even started playing this game because of it. And I train on it a bit every day (I'm a Rank C player online, which means intermediate level). Loved your comment!
One of my favorite pastimes has become watching the 3rd Strike highlights and rounds channel, and as a lover of robotic characters in fighting games it's been a treat to catch glimpses of TM and closely talented challengers. It's great seeing Q shine and give others the hands; Still daring to hope they add him in SFVI, distinct from G. The SM64 coin sounds are highly appreciated.
the beauty here is that Q is deemed as the lowest in the tier list yet is capable of a lot of things, which shows you that the low tiers in 3rd Strike are a menace in their own right compared to other games where low tiers are just...bad picks.
Q is a really interesting character. Part rekka, part grappler, controls like a rock, needs to taunt to multiple times to access health reserves, huge, slow target with devastating traps and combos .
11:32 If I remember correctly, this is a "bug". When you crouch, there are frames where you cannot be thrown. It's as if you duck the throw. 10 years ago, TM was known to do this, and the timing is so specific that the other players could not do it as consistently as he. Not even Kuroda could do this as well as TM. I remember this coming up a couple of times in GGPO chat when the whole lobby would spectate the pro players.
This is a very nice match! That Kara Command Grab by Q is OD and is very hard to execute, much more to setup it up. From a Japanese tutorial video that I watched, the best players really set it up from an air to air hit near the corner. Also, the usual cue they're going to do it is they suddenly crouch from outta nowhere. I hope you fought KUNI as well on your time in Japan! That I wanna see.. 😀😀
I don't comment a lot but thank you for uploading videos against Q. I think he's a fascinating low tier character and watching magicians work him against you (You who I consider is the gold standard of fighting players) is always amazing.
TM is the legend of the kara command grab. I've seen the man do 4 of them in a row without his opponent being able to do anything. Also I love how he taunts at the beginning of the round like 80% of the time lol. You always know it's TM if the Q taunts as soon as the round begins.
NGL really hoped you guys had a last round match, but just because you don't find these kind of matches anywhere else. Soooooo goooood. Let's go Justin!
Love your videos Justin. All the Gods in fighting games as well...much love from Houston TX. I wish our arcades were popular here :'( I need to find a spot
11:20 its not jump cancel tech, its more simple than that. Q has throw invul frames during his crouch animation, so there are some good OS that beat throw and meaty low
random question @8:47 We can see Chun walking back so i guess Justing holding down the back direction on joystick. and we also see Q is charging towards Chun with attack. But we don't ever see Chun get in block animatiıon. Why is that? Isn't the player supposed to get in block animation while holding back direction when opponent has active attack frames regardless of the attack could reach the player or not?
Q has a glich with his crouch to stand animation, think he is classed as airborne briefly so cant be thrown, but can be air thrown. Saw it recently in a TheoryFighter short.
There's a nice way for Chunli to do some nice damage . Usually you do medium spinning bird kick quickly ram hk into hyakureskyaku . IT comes out very fast . You deal more chip damage or you surprise him with some damages.
He only needs to stomp. When the ground shakes he has his bonus even if interrupted before rest of it concludes. If you hit him before the stomp he gets nothing tho.
The mystery of Q remains... Hope they include him in SF VI... Those throws are really hard to read and I know that Justin really hates throws.. makes Q look like a grappler
Justin... ya probably should've updated your Breaker Collection ad... since this video came out long after you did your arcade run of the team mode lol
The Kara Command Grab is really hard to do and it's incredibly impressive that TM can do it so consistently
Is he using b+mp to kara by doing hcb mp, hk?
@@SWong37 the input is extremely wonky with a few variations. I use 21232{1}4MP~HK
Newbie fighting game player here... what's a Kara Command Grab?
@@SWong37 It's not nearly that simple because the qcb+mp gives you slaps, so just doing hcb will give you overlapping input windows and hitting mp will trigger the slaps first. You need to do 212321(pause)4+mp~hk. So basically, you open only the qcb window, delay opening the hcb window, then wait for the qcb window to close before going to 4 to get the b+mp for kara while the command grab window is still active to cancel into command grab.
Yeah, it's complicated.
@@SirGrimly The kara technique is used to extend your special move's or super move's range. In 3rd Strike's case, you do it by cancelling the first frame of a normal with either a throw, the universal overhead, and specials and supers as mentioned before.
Seeing good Q players is always a treat
Now we need to see good TWELVE players
@@typhlocube9359 also Elena and Necro players
Hey man, we out here grinding to learn how to beat everyone 💯 with Q. Takes time, but I will become a top Q player!
Kuroda RIP
@@snackzilla1652 he died?
11:27 - Q's throw box is in the air for a few frames after crouching. He can even be air thrown when he does this.
11:20 Q is in the air after standing from crouch for 3 frames. You can air throw him but not throw him on the ground.
Wow, TM is such a fast learner. Look how fast he picks up after those first two matches and he comes around, dishing out some hot SLAPS.
Don't play fighting games, don't know what's going on beyond who's winning. This is still damn fun to watch. Something about Q is entertaining too, so different.
Yea it's nice Justin is explaining the finer aspects
@@Oh-Ben Yeah, I don't know the terms like meaty or appreciate the amazing back and forth dance and use of space by both experts, but he's a funny guy and engaging. I've become a bit of a fan of his on TH-cam these last few months, despite knowing about him since his daigo Evo moment and his legendary status as an Evo champ.
@@nefariousnilbog In Street Fighter, and most fighting games when you press an attack the move has three phases. Startup, contact, and recovery. Each part is measured in a short time frame know as a frame. Usually moves connect immediately l so you hit the first part. But on wake-up for example when getting up you are immune so you can time it, and hit a later active frame. This means that you get to act sooner than normal which is absurdly useful in fighting games.
Essentially it's timing a move so that after you can move quickly to get a better combo, better pressure, or better mixups after. It can also make unsafe moves possible to throw out.
@@personpersonson7958 Very interesting stuff, thanks.
@@nefariousnilbog It's amazing how Daigo's Evo Moment has been influential, I even started playing this game because of it. And I train on it a bit every day (I'm a Rank C player online, which means intermediate level). Loved your comment!
man i still can't get over how beautiful animations 3rd strike has...
Big companies don't have pixel artists anymore after they stopped making games with pixel arts.
@@v.d.2738 nice that a lot of indie companies still do unique pixel art though. the risk/reward just aint there for most of the big developers though.
One of my favorite pastimes has become watching the 3rd Strike highlights and rounds channel, and as a lover of robotic characters in fighting games it's been a treat to catch glimpses of TM and closely talented challengers. It's great seeing Q shine and give others the hands; Still daring to hope they add him in SFVI, distinct from G.
The SM64 coin sounds are highly appreciated.
Q2: Judgement Day.
@@falguard Du du dun! Du dun!!
My boy going crazy with those grabs. Thanks for the content Justin you’re amazing.
Awesome to see TM featured here.
Q is my favorite Street Fighter character ever,and seeing him at high level always makes my day.
Dope set Justin,you always one of the goats👌👌
TM is such a legend
11:20: not a jump cancel. Q is considered airborne during his uncrouch animation so that's why your grab whiffed. You can even air throw him
I love a good Q. I want to see him make a return
I love me some 3rd Strike. Especially when characters like Q perform. I love Q, Nerco and Makoto.
this is so good man. i can always count on Justin for some top tier 3rd Strike matches.
I love when players uses low tier characters and show what can they do, it's so much fun.
the beauty here is that Q is deemed as the lowest in the tier list yet is capable of a lot of things, which shows you that the low tiers in 3rd Strike are a menace in their own right compared to other games where low tiers are just...bad picks.
Q is a really interesting character. Part rekka, part grappler, controls like a rock, needs to taunt to multiple times to access health reserves, huge, slow target with devastating traps and combos .
Huh? He has a rekka?
Gg’s man. That was a beast set
Imagine being in a dark alley and Q's music starts playing and he emerges from the shadows and grabs you and implodes.
The Mario 64 sounds during taunts killed me
Woah crazy players over there, GG!
Favorite street fight character, dying to have him back in 6
6 is bad unfortunately, Q or not
let people have fun
11:32 If I remember correctly, this is a "bug". When you crouch, there are frames where you cannot be thrown. It's as if you duck the throw. 10 years ago, TM was known to do this, and the timing is so specific that the other players could not do it as consistently as he. Not even Kuroda could do this as well as TM. I remember this coming up a couple of times in GGPO chat when the whole lobby would spectate the pro players.
This is a very nice match!
That Kara Command Grab by Q is OD and is very hard to execute, much more to setup it up.
From a Japanese tutorial video that I watched, the best players really set it up from an air to air hit near the corner. Also, the usual cue they're going to do it is they suddenly crouch from outta nowhere.
I hope you fought KUNI as well on your time in Japan! That I wanna see.. 😀😀
The kara command grab is hitting from so far he's almost using it as a footsie tool.
My best friend mains Q and always gives me a run for my money. Great set
I don't comment a lot but thank you for uploading videos against Q. I think he's a fascinating low tier character and watching magicians work him against you (You who I consider is the gold standard of fighting players) is always amazing.
always great to see you post videos like this, Justin
Again with that Kuroda bait!? You're evil Mr J!
That is the kind of ad I can get behind. A game I have never heard of with rollback and crossplay, you are good at this Justin Dubyah!
“My super barely does damage!” Chun Li’s super still takes 25% life bar from fully armored Q
6:52 I love this move!!! 😁
Q is most likely my favorite character in 3, and I wish he would get more love. G was amazing to have though!
I would love to see the look on peoples faces when you walk into an arcade. Its probably as close to a real life DBZ episode as you can get
This guy knows all the gimmicks of this character. Nothing to be surprised of someone who’s been playing this game for years.
Those Mario 64 red coin sounds at 6:53! *chef's kiss*
At first, I thought it was going to be Kuroda, but then I remembered that Kuroda is as self-destructive as Q's SA III.
TM is the legend of the kara command grab. I've seen the man do 4 of them in a row without his opponent being able to do anything. Also I love how he taunts at the beginning of the round like 80% of the time lol. You always know it's TM if the Q taunts as soon as the round begins.
NGL really hoped you guys had a last round match, but just because you don't find these kind of matches anywhere else. Soooooo goooood. Let's go Justin!
"That set was legendary,"
Congrats J. Wong!!🔥🔥
Love your videos Justin. All the Gods in fighting games as well...much love from Houston TX. I wish our arcades were popular here :'( I need to find a spot
This is why 3rd strike is so cool. Bottom tier can be a menace vs Justin Wong and s tier chun li
"Actin' like you won't get command grabbed!" Said Smug somewhere. XD
Dunno man, nearly EVERY Q Player on this channel have been awesome and deadly!
god, Q's throws just LOOK brutal. just straight up rocket punches the opponent in the air
“I’m pretty good at blocking” is the biggest understatement of all time
TM hitting Mr. Wong with the inspector gadget fr
That command grab is deadly!!
is not kuroda?
He beats you up, then takes you in for questioning
You mean kuroda? TM is goated, but y'know
11:20 its not jump cancel tech, its more simple than that. Q has throw invul frames during his crouch animation, so there are some good OS that beat throw and meaty low
Finally! I've been waiting to see this matchup!
Another great set. Loving these Japan matches. Hope you go every year.
Justin, you already fought the best Q player during SBO 3.
one of my greatest useless abilities is i learned to kara throw with Q on keyboard consistently, my fingers hurt
That was crazy, the distance from the grabs...
I could watch high level Third Strike until the day I die.
That max range jumping mk to that grab is scary bro
Where i can find these match source? Can't find on the arcade's live channel
Kuroda is the ultimate Q player
random question
@8:47
We can see Chun walking back so i guess Justing holding down the back direction on joystick. and we also see Q is charging towards Chun with attack. But we don't ever see Chun get in block animatiıon. Why is that? Isn't the player supposed to get in block animation while holding back direction when opponent has active attack frames regardless of the attack could reach the player or not?
3rd Strike does not have proximity guard so you can always parry out.
@@comeonclarkman thanks
Remember when you fought Alan in Colorado at Akebara? That was a hell of a fight
Why do I get Mr.X vibes from Q from the RE 2 Remake 😁😀
Man...TM is scary af
everyone knows it's not profitable but sheeeeesh there's always something hype about seeing a Q
IVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIIIIS LETS GO
The best Q player for my is kuroda he won you in a sbo laughing and he also won all team USA in a sbo too 5 players destroyed
Q has a glich with his crouch to stand animation, think he is classed as airborne briefly so cant be thrown, but can be air thrown. Saw it recently in a TheoryFighter short.
Man J Wong always fighting the best players!
the jump back parry 🤣
thx, it was intense
wow impressive that kara command grab he going full horror jason lol.
Cgrab spammed! Good bouts! TM right up there for sure. Cheers J.
This guy is making Q look as good as his character design.
Another awesome set, thank you
There's a nice way for Chunli to do some nice damage . Usually you do medium spinning bird kick quickly ram hk into hyakureskyaku . IT comes out very fast . You deal more chip damage or you surprise him with some damages.
Maybe I'm too old school but Kuroda is always #1 Q in my heart
Too bad about Kuroda.
Is this on an arcade machine emulator or something? The graphics look amazing.
Great set J
11:40 this the Q glitch! not a jump cancel. i think frankie or one of those guys have a video on it.
Sick fucking set. Man, you guys both played great.
boy was going crazy in Japan and got hella content. I respect it tho since the best are over there
daamn down to the wire!
The best Q will always be Kuroda. He is the progenitor of high level Q playing.
This was a good fight J. These sets were fire!
You kara the slaps into the command grab but I don't know which one or how people actually do it
TM was putting up numbers for playing a bottom tier character against a top tier.
He Kara micro stepped the Kara while karaing the command grab
Can’t wait for the Tominaga video :O
Do you have a list of your top 10 one vs one fighting games? Im not a big fan of the 2 vs 2 and 3 vs 3 jump out and save you. Lol i like 1 vs 1!!
Does his animation need to finish to get the defense bonus? Does it carry over to next round
He only needs to stomp. When the ground shakes he has his bonus even if interrupted before rest of it concludes.
If you hit him before the stomp he gets nothing tho.
I’d love to see J Wong fight Kuroda, another one of them Q madmans.
He did in a tournament
Kuroda!!
Standing jab Kara? 7:32
The mystery of Q remains... Hope they include him in SF VI... Those throws are really hard to read and I know that Justin really hates throws.. makes Q look like a grappler
Did you play against Fujiwara?
Did he say "what is everybody" in the beginning??
Justin... ya probably should've updated your Breaker Collection ad... since this video came out long after you did your arcade run of the team mode lol
Is kara throw a glitch?