Frozen 2's Sexist Plot Hole - Disney's Frozen Theory | The Fangirl
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- Frozen 2 is a beautiful movie, but there is one huge plot hole that's doesn't fall in line with the "girl power" design of this Disney film... Let's talk about sexism is Disney.
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It's not sexist. There's a simple solution. The queen. Whoever the dad's mom was would've taken over until her son came of age. We see his coronation portrait in the first movie. The queen ruled. He was embellishing for his daughters.
OMG, YES! That picture Elsa looks at!
I want to follow this story but I feel like I'm missing some dots.
@@TheFangirlWatches i think what they're saying is there was a Queen regent/Queen mother who ruled Arendelle until Agnaar came of age :)
@@lexalina132 yeah that's what i'm thinking too, it would make sense because she didn't go with them
Could you imagine Elsa at the same age as Agnarr (idk if I'm saying that right) as Queen and she starts to get emotional during a ball🤔😂
Frozen 1 has a painting of Elsa and Anna's father showing his coronation in the song "First Time in Forever" showing that he is 21.
Is it possible that King Agnarr wasn't coronated as king until he was 21? Yes. Did Frozen 1 present a book saying that magic powers ran in the Arendelle royal family? Yes. Did Frozen 2 say Agnarr returned home as a (teenage) king and the powers came from Iduna's side? Yes. Do the two movies contradict each other? Yes!
@@TheFangirlWatches then if the two movies conflict with one another which one is canon?
The Fangirl It could just be he didn’t have an official Coronation until he was 21, I think there were cases of that happening in history but I’m not 100% sure.
@@DawnzeenaMcGill there is
I guess we could apply Elena of Avalor logic where Agnar had a Grand Council to help me make decisions and keep the honorary title of king.
Well he never said he returned as *crowned* king of Arendelle...
Maybe Elsa already received the title of Queen when her parents were declared dead... Which also explains why the castle remained shut (cuz Elsa was solely in control and Anna's consent wasn't required in this decision)
Coronation was simply when she became crowned queen and her authority was no longer limited to the castle.
Maybe he found becoming a king so young a horrible burden on himself and that he didn't want to put that stress upon Elsa especially considering how distressed she already felt about herself in her childhood and adolescence so he changed the law as a precautionary method for her benefit.
I think you're overthinking his opinion on Elsa as well, he technically didn't force her to stay in her room, don't think his wife would have allowed for that.
Big staircase I agree with you.
Big staircase I was thinking the same thing
Same
People always forget that while agnarr was afraid of Elsa and that conditioned her to hate herself a bit, she is more or less the one who chose to stay in her room. In do u wanna build a snowman when she is like 14 or 15 she says "I cant it's too strong. Dont touch me." And shoos her parents away. So it's not that they really locked her up. They isolated her and she thought that that was the only way. It was more (mostly accidental) emotional abuse than physical.
To be honest, my explanation for this plot hole was that, because of Agnarr's young age, the kingdom simply couldn't afford to wait until he was twenty-one years old to make him king. They needed a ruler right then and there.
Of course, that still doesn't really explain as to why Elsa had to wait three years to become queen. :'p
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Also, your singing is really nice. :3
Thanks! And yeah that rolls into the same issue with Elsa. That's why most kingdoms would appoint a regent to do all the Kingly work until the child is old enough to take over, but apparently Arendelle doesn't believe in such things.
Where was it stated that Agnarr was crowned upon his return from the forest? Paintings show him being Elsa/Anna's age when he was crowned don't they?
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It was stated in Agnarr's story at the beginning of the movie that he "returned home as king".
That painting in the first movie did cross my mind, though. ^^
@@etps4444 could he not have been saying so as an exageration or hyperbole? Either way he wasn't crowned until he was AT LEAST 21 - just like Elsa.
@@etps4444 that said nothing in Frozen one said Elsa wasn't also technically Queen before her coronation. && I genuinely feel he was exaggerating because he was telling the story to two little girls and trying to hurry it along. So saying "I returned home as king" is quicker and kinder than saying "My dad died and I didn't have a mum so I was orphaned and alone in the castle apart from your mother for 7 years until I was crowned king at 21 and then we had you :D"
There's literally a painting of Agnarr in Frozen 1 that shows him with a mustache, darker hair and taller than the boy we see in Frozen 2. He was crowned AT LEAST 1 year AFTER his father's death - if not more. So He was probably also crowned at 21. Meaning Elsa and Anna were both crowned MUCH SOONER than he was because he looked 14-16 in Frozen 2 so it would've been 5-7 YEARS for him rather than 3 years(Elsa) and 1 day/week/month(Anna).
Is it possible that King Agnarr wasn't coronated as king until he was 21? Yes. Did Frozen 1 present a book saying that magic powers ran in the Arendelle royal family? Yes. Did Frozen 2 say Agnarr returned home as a (teenage) king and the powers came from Iduna's side? Yes. Do the two movies contradict each other? Yes!
Maybe being King at a young age affected him... so he made a law to avoid kids being King/Queen. so they could be prepared before a head.
I thought in the first movie, Elsa WAS queen as soon as Agnar and Iduna passed away, she just didn't have her coronation until she was 21, so maybe the same thing happened when Agnar became king since (as others have mentioned) there's a portrait of Agnar's coronation which is when he looked much older. Idk, what do you think?
In the first movie we see a portrait of an adult Agnarr in coronation regalia. This means that he like Elsa had to be twenty one years of age to fully ascend to the throne. My assumption is that there is a law in Arendelle that prevents orphaned heirs to the throne from ascending too early when their parents are declared dead without a body. This could be due the possibility of the previous ruler returning and creating a power struggle. Or allow the heir to grieve properly and not accidentally start a war. Neither generation was able to provide their loved one/s a proper burial. There was room for doubt as to whether they were truly dead. So by setting a minimum age for which a member of the royal family ascend the throne, it allows for any investigation into the previous rulers “deaths” to take place.
Is it possible that King Agnarr wasn't coronated as king until he was 21? Yes. Did Frozen 1 present a book saying that magic powers ran in the Arendelle royal family? Yes. Did Frozen 2 say Agnarr returned home as a (teenage) king and the powers came from Iduna's side? Yes. Do the two movies contradict each other? Yes!
@@TheFangirlWatches i think a line from The Crown (it's on Netflix, it's awesome) really helps to explain this: "the king is dead, we must inform the queen." Elizabeth was queen even prior to her coronation in real life, and I think we have a similar situation here, where in title Agnaar is king of Arendelle because his father died, but he will not be crowned until 21. There's also a line in Frozen 1, a blink and you'll miss it moment between two citizens, but telling nonetheless:
"Mooom, why do I have to wear this??"
"Because, the queen has come of age! It's coronation day!"
Elsa was queen of Arendelle at 18, just as her father was king at 14, but neither of them officially rose to power and were coronated until they came of age at 21.
I really like this theory but there's one thing that's bothering me in the first movie there is a painting of him holding the scepter and ball thing presumably on his coronation day and he looks a lot older than he does in the flashbacks so maybe he was kinda king but he had to wait tell he was 21 to officially take the title of king.
Is it possible that King Agnarr wasn't coronated as king until he was 21? Yes. Did Frozen 1 present a book saying that magic powers ran in the Arendelle royal family? Yes. Did Frozen 2 say Agnarr returned home as a (teenage) king and the powers came from Iduna's side? Yes. Do the two movies contradict each other? Yes!
Elsa was a a Queen the moment her father died, the same with her father, it’s the same with all monarchies with established succession. Charles will be the Queen the second Queen Elizabeth dies not at coronation. The coronation being later doesn’t mean Elsa wasn’t a Queen prior. But during a minority the monarchs can lack powers (even if not all).
The King is dead. Long live the Queen.
In the 19th century or so, men were given more leeway than men. When his dad dies, the oldest Prince was declared King.
I don't disagree with that at all, but it's still a fairly big plot hole that a male heir is immediately declared king, but Elsa had to wait until she turned 21 to become queen. As far as we can tell, there wasn't even a regent running Arendelle for those 3 years Elsa aged, so someone, somewhere decided that having NO leadership is better than having Elsa/female leadership. It's just like, whaaaa?!
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Thank you for responding to my comment. 😀
European monarchies weren't particularly renowned for their equality
And that's fair enough, but the issue still stands that Agnarr got to skip that ~7 year wait to become king, but Elsa did not (even though apparently no one was helping to run the kingdom while she aged). Something here is way off in the story.
@@TheFangirlWatches Not according to the first movie he didn't. There's a painting of him at 21 or older being coronated.
Um....I don’t think he immediately became king. I’m sure he had to wait to be coronated too😅
Is it possible that King Agnarr wasn't coronated as king until he was 21? Yes. Did Frozen 1 present a book saying that magic powers ran in the Arendelle royal family? Yes. Did Frozen 2 say Agnarr returned home as a (teenage) king and the powers came from Iduna's side? Yes. Do the two movies contradict each other? Yes!
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Well, they were letting Elsa use her powers pretty openly and freely right up until she--from Agnarr's perspective--nearly killed Anna, so...
To me, if Iduna was a magic user, I'd think this was all her fault, to be honest. If she really knew how to use magic, she'd have told Agnarr that trying to suppress Elsa's magic wasn't going to work. She'd know it wouldn't. That's why I doubt she was a magic user. Both of them, I think, were entirely clueless about magic, and scared sh*tless that Elsa might hurt Anna again without meaning to. And the thing is, doesn't matter if it was an accident or not, a dead kid is still a dead kid. With literally no useful help from the trolls on how to help with Elsa's powers and no help from Iduna on how to help with Elsa's powers, what should we have expected them to do? I mean, other than just kill her or imprison her in the dungeons for the rest of her life or ship her off to some remote island where no one would ever hear from her again. People give Elsa's parent's a lot of flack, but I think they were just doing the best they could to protect both of their children, using the only options and knowledge they had available to them at the time. But that's just my opinion.
I 100% agree with you!
I liked your theory and I think it’s well thought trough, I just think it’d also be a cool point to consider that when Agnar said he came home king that day he wasn’t being literal and possibly saying that for the wow factor. Either that or he was telling the truth, but just because he was king dosent mean he got to exercise that power. There have been times throughout history where when a king dies the son it still too young to rule, so he is still called the king but until he is of whatever age someone else is actually in charge of making decisions. Cool theory keep up the good work!
Your derp was captivating, Megan. I loved it. Merry Christmas.
Can we also take about what Elsas gonna do now that she’s in the forest? Like... this girl has spent her entire life being waited on hand and foot... who’s gonna cook her meals? Are you telling me she’s gonna go hunting? Does she even need to eat? This is similar to the problem I had when Elsa ran away the first time.
What about shoes?! How is she running around without shoes? She isn’t a hobbit!
I. Have. Questions.
Lol I assume the Northerners will provide her with whatever she pleases at this point
Inquisitor Pippa she’ll learn
I feel like Gala could help her with getting food.
>.> Gale just goes to Anne's place and Anne is like "Elsa's dinner is right here Gala" and Gala just picks it up and brings it to Elsa.
But like honestly, It's not that hard for her to learn to hunt, She's got ice powers and the way she's been throughout the story, she would probably just over come and be able to hunt.
Okay but here's the thing. Elsa DID become queen the moment her father died(bc that's how it works), but she isn't coronated until her 21st birthday because that's when she came of age and could take over ruling. The same probably happened to her father. He did become king the moment his father died, but he also probably wasn't coronated until he was of age. That is what happens if the heir becomes king or queen while they are children. Someone(advisors, the other parent(the queen consort, or the prince consort), or whatever) takes over the official ruling duties until the new regent comes of age.
I think you made good theories.
Thank you for this video.
I hope you are well.☺
Like how you made your eyeshadow match your hair :) very cute (also, interesting point brought up o:)
You have such an amazing singing voice, I love it! 💖
4:17 literally the only reason my gramps got my grandma😅
But that's how it worked back then, so if you're gonna complain about it being sexist then all I can tell you is they were sexist back then
It's really not how it worked. This was decided on a country by country basis and so Arendelle made it's own rules. The video is not just that it's a double standard, but why it's done from the context of the film.
@@TheFangirlWatches but still it was 1 small little thing based off real life, Frozen 2 had the woman characters do way more and had Male Characters just be there but no one complaining about that
Who says he became a king at 15 or whatever? Literally NOTHING says that...
That kid is not 21. He's not even 16.
your viewers raise some quite compelling counter points to this particular theory. it's all in good fun and even if I don't get onboard with every single theory on the channel I still enjoy watching to see what comes up next 🤗
I think the hardest part of a Frozen 2 theory is that there are quite a few contradictions with the first movie. Is it possible that King Agnarr wasn't coronated as king until he was 21? Yes. Did Frozen 1 present a book saying that magic powers ran in the Arendelle royal family? Yes. Did Frozen 2 say Agnarr returned home as a (teenage) king and the powers came from Iduna's side? Yes. It's hard to offer enough proof for everyone when the movies almost act like alternate universes of each other. But thank you for sticking around even if every idea doesn't work for you! 💕
If Elsa was stuck in one room and couldn't leave, where does she go to the bathroom? In a bucket?
Chamber pots 🤣
@@TheFangirlWatches 😂
Eye roll I'm not against woman with power . Just going to throw in my two cents that's how it was back in the the older son will automatically go into throne or the mom and dad's land it's really nothing to have a theory about it that's just history . I think this is a little bit of a reach . Not bad on singing either
We see literally in the movie Elsa walking in the castle before their parents die
Hey at least Mulan waited to get married. XD
Although she shouldn't have. Shang has a scary temper!
Wait a minute! Mulan also had feelings for Shang later in the movie, just like he had feelings for her. They knew each other for a while so the fact that he came to her house is not creepy at all.
Lol it was like "hinto di hunknownhhh"
But you have a better voice than me and I love you
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You have a great channel!!! I love your theories even if the algorithm doesn't! 😊
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@@TheFangirlWatches Thanks so much for making my day!!!
I think you should make a whole video of going through the films to make the plot more easier to work with then there’s more chance I finding stuff about the characters leading of to connect with all of the story
Actually I rolled my eyes when you did that horrible impression of an anti sjw, it's not even in the funny way, it's just ear r**e
I was just under the impression that it was set in place because either the dad didn’t want Elsa to go through that if he died when she was young or in an attempt to give her time to control her powers.
In history, you usually become monarch the second the former monarch dies. Pop Culture has created the misconception that a monarch's coronation is like a presidential inauguration. I.e. you're not the monarch until the ceremony in which you are crowned. Elizabeth II was proclaimed Queen in 1952, but she didn't have her coronation until 1953.
Elsa was still referred to as "Queen" at the beginning of the film prior to her coronation, but the coming of age part meant that there must have been a regent between Agnar's death and Elsa's coronation.I imagine the same happened for Agnar until he also turned 21 when he would be old enough to run the kingdom. Regents were commonplace with young monarchs. Mary Queen of Scots, Edward V and VI, Richard II and Henry VI all had regents. Though granted they would usually turn against the monarch when they matured because they didn't want to give away their power.
Wow, your hair looks so pretty! :O
Thank you!
I love your hair
Thanks!
@@TheFangirlWatches you are very welcome :)
That’s what’s what I was gonna say 😂
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I LOVE your hair.
Thank you Amy!
yes Agnar turned into what his father actually was about magic powerr regarding how he treated Elsa, still seems as if Iduna eventually managed to change his mind as she revealed her own magical heritage and the truth about who rescued him back then. That´s how actually the ill-fated trouble when they went gone, was in fact some way to find the truth about Elsa´s powers source and a way to find some solution for her in a better control or to get rid of them. Sadly that plot wasn´t properly used in the final movie.
Maybe he was crown Prince and we see a Picture of at his coronation as King and he is a bit older there too
Love your hair
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A side from the main topic at hand, I thank it was the time period for the most part, I get want your saying and I agree, but maybe they where trying to be accurate? Idk
I still would think that the age of 21 would apply to either gender if a child in charge is the issue.
@@TheFangirlWatches it did. Frozen one had a painting to prove it.
You have such a good singing voice
How did no one notice that
Your singing was so pretty 😊
I think Agnarr and Iduna tried to help Elsa with her powers but she was so so afraid, because of that accident and pabbie's words
I think maybe Agnar had a tough time as a teenage ruler himself and wanted to save future rulers of his lineage the same problems he faced. So he made the rule requiring a new ruler to “come of age” before becoming rulers. (So they can become an adult and be prepared before bearing the pressures of ruling.)
Agnarr was raised by Mattias it was revealed in a Google Assistant story and in the junior novel
That part when you talked about your conversation you had with your daughter made me laugh because I would love to be in that car just listen to you both
It's mostly me trying to dodge her sass lol
@@TheFangirlWatches well it still sounds funny to me
Happy holidays fan girl
Thank you! You have a great week too David! 💕
Ok I know this has nothing to do with the video and I am very late to the party but I love your hair it looks absolutely amazing not everybody can pull off that look but you totally can, love your vids and have a great day.
Thank you! It was an experiment to see how it would look but I think it turned out pretty cool 😎💕
I always wondered who was ruling the kingdom for those years. It never brought up his mother or father in the first move. And then only his dad in the second. The king and queen both died on a boat so who ruled? And I kind of hate how in the first movie they were off to another kingdom (maybe even a nod to another movie) and then all of a sudden "no they are going here to do this!" The mom knew how dangerous going there was so you think she wold went there alone.
I been wondering what happened to Aggnar's mom. Is she still alive or is she dead?
i love ur singing!
That song is extra rough but thank you!
In frozen fever they said else never came out even for Christmas also she would have to get used to people and her own castle right ? Who would want to stay in a cold lonely room with no family over Christmas ?
Personally, I think the only reason Elsa had to wait to be queen was because Her parents figured once she was older, she’d be a bit more in control of her powers, when she was younger, she was terrified and emotionally unstable to handle her powers, and I believe that when the king and queen left and intended to come back, they would have understood a better way to help Elsa to control her emotions. It also could have been in agnar’s fathers words that if he died his son was to immediately be crowned king, to keep the kingdom in check.
Well me and my sisters thought that Elsa was queen she just didn't get like the cornation stuff because she wasn't 21 yet
That's possible, but they imply she never left her room until coronation day, so who was running the country?! 😱
The Fangirl Oh that makes more sense
There is a difference between taking power and the coronation ceremony. A quick look up says Queen Elizabeth II ascended the throne early Feb., 1952 but her coronation was more than a year later on 2 June 1953. Several sites mentioned large gaps due to the celebration not being appropriate during mourning. Maybe the age 21 is due to having no body, but thy both would still have been regarded as the ruler. Elsa would have chosen to stay hidden due to her fear of her power while her father's adventures would have made him a hands on king from the start.
Awesome
You know, this might be unrelated but K M Shea's retelling of The Snow Queen, the first book, the princess' background of being hidden away and ostracised is very similar to Elsa. I only just realized this
Can someone do a video on a what if Their grandfather survived? Given Their dad is still nice and stuff😅 oh um there’s a snow moment in that rive place where the queen says ‘I want to tell about where I’m from’ soo he did find out😅
He found out, but that was well into their adulthood (probably after Elsa was born). They also showed them playing together as children in Arendelle, so there's a long stretch of time where Iduna said nothing.
My guess is something to do with her powers because he’s so scared of her potential to hurt people and then that rule just also applied to Anna because of reasons???
I know this doesn’t really relate to the theory but panic! At the disco’s into the unknown is *amazing*
Your a great singer
Why is there a picture of grownup Anna and Elsa plus Olaf in a picture on Elsas wall as a child at 5:42
Thinking back to your Iduna theory could Agnar have been the reason that were killed by Nok? Maybe the spirits could someone sense Iduna was a Northern but also sense some darkness around Agnar. Due to his abuse (I ain't sugarcoating it here folks) of Elsa Nok saw Agnar as a threat and took the whole ship down as a form of protection.
Maybe! But Nokk seemed eager to kill anyone so it's hard to figure that spirit out
literally mulan wouldve still been a fine movie if she didnt fall in love
Oh my god damn Disney
Elsa was queen before being coronated. I remember one of the regular citizens saying "the queen has come of age!" Not princess. So she was queen, just not acting queen. It was likely the same for Agnarr. Technically king, but not acting until he comes of age.
I also recall a Swedish queen who became queen at age six, but wasn't coronated until she came of age. The time until then was spent learning how to rule.
I liked that Mulan got a husband in the end...
Sure she wasn't searching for one, but that just shows that love comes to you at it's one pace and that you don't have to go out of your way to find it. Him follieing her was always really sweet to me becouse it showed that he cared enough to travel through half of china to visit her
Made it to the end!😁
Awe thats sad
I am disabled and gifted with a gift that I have to suppress: looking into people's past and heal. I also see into my own future, kind of like Bruno
As many others have already said, that night he "came back the king of Arendelle" not the CROWNED king of Arendelle. The movie never said he didn't had a mother still and in the first movie we see a portrait of his coronation. In the portrait he's an adult, so probably 21 like Elsa was on her coronation. Him coming back "as king of Arendelle" just means, like Elsa, he would have to seriously start preparing for his role as king sooner as expected and that once he's 21 its inevitable. It's like a state in between, he's not the prince anymore but isn't the crowned king either. He's king-in-waiting on a tougher level so to speak
Interesting! It would explain why Iduna didn't speak up on Elsa's behalf, but it doesn't make it right either.
I cant stand frozen, but I did watch the whole video and I enjoyed your singing it was absolutely lovely❤
A character I would move for you to analyze is solf J kimblee from FMAB. I feel like you would have a real trip with him. Because so many girls I know are like
" he's a bad boy UwU "
but like I feel there is so much more to him then
" he's just evil for evils sake "
Also no grammar sorry XD
Maybe 21 was the normal age but the king had to earn the throne earlier due to the death of his father. That said, i don't get why he fears magic so much
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Well maybe Agnar became king as a teenager because the king died when Agnar the prince also the only kings child was a teenager
Did you name your daughter after the Kingdom Hearts character?
I did! lol
@@TheFangirlWatches That's awesome! Have you played Kingdom Hearts?
6:48 Best Part! XD
I really hope the rule was put into place because the task was just to hard, epsically with that mixed grief he probably felt too... Plus the sense of betrayal he probably felt as he was young and most likely trusted them.
Maybe the rules were created before he had a daughter with magically powers. So it's not necessarily aimed at Elsa being a magic user? But rather a rule he created after his own experience?
I mean if you think about it, because of the trauma he went through and then having to led his kingdom... It would be a lot. Also knowing he won't be able to get his fathers body back so he can buried it for grieving process, I think would be really hard. Plus also not just the dad who died, but it was expected that Elsa's and Anna's grandpa's group that went with him to that place, all passed away as well. So he was probably dealing with not only his grief but also grief and the emotions that come with that from fellow towns folk who could've lost a loved one.
As someone else has said, he probably had PTSD. (Not an excuse however it could explain some of his behaviors. Plus there's no mental health help back than.) And maybe he was also confused as to why he can't get back. I mean in the story that was told to both Elsa and Anna, is that something bad happened and he found himself in a wagon. He probably also heard a lot of gossip that it was the other parties fault. Which could add embarrassment and angry to his emotional mix.
So with all of that, he could've wanted to not pass on the same pain he felt, in the sense of loss and than having to take care of the kingdom right away. So hopefully with the age of 21, there could be more leadship skills on the part of the king or queen, plus they would've gone through some training and been taught what there role is, while also having space to deal with a possible loss? Or hopeful parents staying by them, kind of like in Game of thrones where the parents then COULD'VE helped with the dictation of where the crowns resources should go, while also dealing with issues like war, or setting up marriages, etc.
P.s. I liked your video. n-n
Well, your singing voice is great. That's why it keeps getting requested.
I honestly think it was Elsa that decided to wait until she was 21 to become queen. I believe this because, Elsa wanted to show respected to her dead parents and maybe she believed that the kingdom needed to mourn the loss of their king and queen. Sure they mourned for three years but, unlike her father who most likely had a regent in his youth. Elsa would of had to rule by herself and she probably did rule behind close doors and just waited a couple of years to have her coronation. We can see that her father most likely had his coronation when he was 18 because of the photo hanging on the wall, and when he arrived back to Arendella after losing his father. His chosen regent would have took over ruling the kingdom and he most likely would have learnt how to rule Arendella effectively for when he came of age.
But like didn’t his father die in that war with those people so Elsa and Anna’s had no choice but to become the next king didn’t he???? Or am I wrong idk
Wouldn't the same have been true when Elsa's parents died?
I think the issue about the official Coronation happening at 21 was something Agnar indeed stablished, acknowledged with his wife, to avoid their descendants having to struggle the same he had being a younger teen of 12-14 when his father demisse happened. That or actually Agnar did also have a proper Coronation at 21 too, though as Elsa herself was already the Queen after her parents died BUT NOT OFFICIALLY CROWNED untill full-legal age. (Though also probably back in 19th centhury as the movie is somehow setted, women got full legal-age at 21 about some things, whereas men could have been at that when getting 18 - in-fact even until late 20th centhury, some things of women and men were mainly uneven legaly about some topics, for sample legal-sexual consent happened for many women at 15, wheras for men happened untill 18, so women were more holded by the law by obviously patriarcall society and culture then as fitted for being married or having children some six-years before getting all other legal and civil rights on their own without neeeding a male to support them, while men got all the rights all together at once!)
The other issue is that we know very little about Agnar and his development as character, as this is pretty much a very feminist movie so the male characters didn´t have much to do in scene in the very first place. This is sad indeed but that´s how the main feminist ideologist working at Disney happened to be since 2017, an ideology not based on equality but on female supremacy overall. The gender roles aren´t getting even but inverted.
Mulan did liked Shang and was fine with him following after her, just she apparented didn´t needed him as he didn´t approached her in the best way at the Imperial City, so it was untill the Emperor urged him to be a smarter guy, that he then approached her to build up a relationship - which got very screwed for the sequel, but you could count as that troblesome film as non-existant or non-canonic for sake of the good at the first movie alone. (And even the sequel wasn´t that bad as the Mulan 2020 disaster.)
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idk because I don't think the age of a queen mattered in norway. I learned in school that the first queen in sweden was crowned at 8 years old, so norway should have something similar I think since those two countries are next to each other and really similar. Sorry if I'm wrong though, I'm not good at this stuff. well, since we have this information, we know that it has to to with her magic.
Um iduna didn't have powers she was interacting with Gale the wind spirit
Can I ask whats wrong with Cinderella? And with Mulan to me it seemed like Mulan did like shane, I never got vibes that Mulan didn't like shane and when he came to her home to return Mulans father's helmet she invites him for dinner. ((Btw this is not an angry post, I like your channel and videos, hope you don't take offense to this))
I will accept Cinderella as a product of a 1950s design (really 1940s since it took a few years to animate the movie), so I do not begrudge Cinderella from existing, but I think she's a terrible role model for girls. Her plot is essentially, sit down, shut up, do as you're told, and then someday someone will come reward you for your service. That's awful! And Mulan liked Shang as a brothers-in-arms type of situation, but they had no romantic inkling towards each other. Shang didn't even romantically towards Mulan, he only went after her because the Emperor nudged him to do so. Mulan was perfectly happy to go home and never see Shang again, but then he just showed up. Maybe she decided she'd give him a chance, maybe she was being polite in asking him to dinner, maybe she was just trying to please her family. It's hard to say, but Shang was definitely not invited when he showed up.
The Fangirl I do think in Disney it was presented and meant to tell us the audience that they did actually like each other, I can’t remember the details as haven’t watched it in a while but I do agree the with the other person that her asking him for dinner was a sign she liked him and I think there where some more scenes that implied Mulan liked him but can’t remember them right now.
The Fangirl I also think it was clear to me anyway that he was into her when accepted and went along with her plan, being impressed by her then realising that he was interested romantically. In my opinion anyway the way he stuttered when he talked to her after he came to her house meant he was nervous talking to her and most times in movies if a guys not usually shy but then suddenly became nervous talking to someone in particler it means they’re interested in them romantically
@@TheFangirlWatches at first I thought the same way but this video really changed my way of seeing it, th-cam.com/video/huLSdm6IH0g/w-d-xo.html
@@pipercharms7374 When they start training, Mulan had this kind of look😯 when she saw Shang. I consider that to be her just being surprised by how muscular he is, and not necessarily that she likes him yet. However, after a while of training (I tend to think that the movie too place over the course of a year or so) she seems to like Shang, as she is looking at him a certain way which makes Mushu ask her if she likes him. She denies it, but it comes off of she's brushing it off in embarrassment, and she smiles before going back to her tent. Nothing comes up again until they get to the palace scene. I don't think the parade would have been arranged the same day as the avalanche, so it's possible Shang had some time to think about his relationship with Mulan/Ping. When she shows up, he first seems a bit pleasantly surprised but I think because her ways are on edge with traditions (not necessarily what Shang personally believes but still does everything he can to conform to) he kind of wants her to stay away. He also might be mad at her still for lying about her identity when she just won his trust, even if she had good reasoning. But after she saves China, I think he is impressed and is more willing to trust her even if she challenges society. He generally seems awkward outside of military affairs, but especially around Mulan, probably because he likes her. Both Mulan and Shang seem disappointed after he can only say "you fight good" and that might be the last they ever see of each other. But I think what the emperor does is confirm to Shang that his feelings are valid and that he shouldn't just let that be the end of them. Maybe even that she likes him too (which I think she does).
I have yet too see the movie. But i am guessing Elsa's Mother still never stood up for her or talk to her husband to not be afraid of magic or express it as. Not being a big deal. Which shows bigger picture to maybe her mom became into magic is bad mindset and turned distant emotionally.
I dont think it's sexist. I thi k taht they both had responsibility Ms when their parents died but they had supervision until 21. Because you can see in frozen 1 song: for the first time in forever, the picture of agnarr at his coronation looked similar to his age in frozen so probably 21...
i dont think the shackles were made by his dad! Her dad wasnt scared of her, he wanted to help in the best way he could and knew how, he didnt want elsa to be attacked or get hurt, thats why he taught her to hide it. I mean, if your kid had powers youd also try to hide it so people wouldnt try to burn her in the stake! :/
Okay, but then who made those shackles? Hans was barely in Arendelle, and he had no idea what Elsa could do, so there's no way he made them fast enough or brought them from home. Where did they come from?
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Elsa was technically Queen and probably addressed as such immediately after her father’s death. Her coronation was just 3 years later because she was only 18 at the time. Even if you see child Agnar being addressed as “Your Majesty” and as King, his coronation portrait shows him as a full grown man and not a child. Its obvious whenever Elsa or her father were underage they had regents ruling the country for them while still holding the title of monarch.