Queen Iduna's Secret Past | Frozen 2 Theory - The Fangirl
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- I think I've figured out some MAJOR missing pieces of Queen Iduna's past and the events that happen in Frozen 2 - and it's awesome!
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This video will contain some big spoilers for Disney's Frozen II, so please don't watch this (unless you want some spoilers, of course). Queen Iduna might have a really interesting backstory that would explain why Elsa has magical powers, and why Ahtuhallan was calling out for Elsa to become the 5th Element! This video even cover the REAL reason that the elemental spirits dropped a veil over the forest - and the war wasn't the issue - it was all Iduna! Anna and Elsa's mother has a very interesting full story, with some potential for Iduna to be a bad guy.
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I think Iduna genuinely loved her husband, she wouldn't have had a second child if all she wanted was a magical heir to be the 5th element in her place
I agree they wouldn't have Anna if she didn't love Agnare
Ok sO Disney actually came out with a book called “dangerous secrets the story of a iduna and Agnar.” End it proves just how much their story of love really came through. Seriously the first few pages talk about how he Idunna might not even live the night to tell her daughters the truth and how warm her husband‘s hold is even through all the rain. Then it cuts to them going through there life together and Iduna had to survive with the secret of her origin to live and how Adgar fell in love with her without knowing anything of her past at all. It’s so good I highly recommend it’s by Disney and it’s only like 14$
@@RariaRoyal I've never heard of that book, it sounds interesting. I'll have to check it out!
@@sonicanon2434 me either I just got it this morning lol I’m half way through the book. But I got hooked reading the first few pages. The Prologue audio book in on YT. See if you like it
I really want to see Frozen 3 even though probably in another six years cause frozen 2 feels like the middle part not the end
I agree, it felt like the movie had a lot more to cover but they ran out of time.
I feel like money wise it’s possible but when Olaf asked Elsa toward the end of their dangerous adventures were over and she said ‘yes’ I took it as a sneaky way of saying they’re done with Frozen, lol! Maybe the actors want to move on now and I think it would be good to end on a good note and not ruin the franchise but Disney never misses an opportunity to make money so I won’t be surprised if they make a third.
I don't think there will be a third movie. By the sounds of it they are done. They might have some more shorts and maybe a tv series but I doubt it.
Pasci K yes I believe they’ll do a wedding short for Anna just as they did for Rapunzel
Rebecca Oliveira yeah I think that too.
It was actually said that Idunna saved agnarr and for her good deed their first born was gifted with being the fifth spirit
That was more of a guess though. No one in the movie had all the information to make that call, and if Iduna didn't have powers, than it was Gale who did the saving. Plus, it was the king's family with the ice magic so there's a lot more at play than the movie covers.
The movie clearly states that the Northuldran people are deeply connected to the magic of the forest and its elemental spirits, because of this I think the elements got angry because the people of Arendelle started a war with the Northuldran (kind of like if you have two friends who don't get along and they start fighting each other). It almost seems as if the spirits wanted the two sides to get along so they traped them together hoping it would bring peace. We see in flashbacks that Iduna has a deep connection with Gale (the wind spirit), Gale might have seen that Iduna was making an act of peace by trying to save the prince of Arendelle so it helped her out. It is also said in the movie that because of this act of kindness the spirit rewarded her by giving a magical child (Elsa) who is not only a sign of peace between the elements and the humans but also between the Northuldra tribe and Arendelle. The notes on the map also said that they were, in fact, trying to figure out if Elsa's magic was connected to the river, so your statement is correct. I do not think that Iduna was the fifth element. I think that they were angry with the people of Arendelle for building the dam and weakening the bond they had with the Northuldran tribe.
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Pasci K I agree.
I actually have not seen the movie yet but, I don't mind theory spoilers!
I love that the girl from the fifth element movie pops up every time you say the name😂
Multi-pass 😎
Frozen 2's showing of the ship and parents' memory debunks the Tarzan, Little Mermaid and going to Rapunzel's wedding theory
Yes, and I'm very happy about the Tarzan one!
@@TheFangirlWatches me too. That weirded me out lol
Not really. We don't know if the king and queen were actually ON the ship. And in the beginning of Tarzan, it looked like his parents were on a life boat like thing. So they COULD have jumped on a small life raft boat and then went to safety.
@@lindsayauerbach7899 the reason I say that is because Elsa uses magic to see what happened to her parents and it shows that they went down but idk, it's just a thought
And they clearly weren't on their way to Rapunzel's wedding
In the song let it go, Elsa literally says, "I'm one with the wind and sky" Hmmmmmm 🤨
Oh you're right! 😱
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Oooooh, good catch!
Shoto Todoroki did know midorya
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The basis of this theory is wrong because Queen Iduna doesn't have magic, but is only good friends with Gale the wind spirit. If you wonder how she rescued Agnarr when she is too small to carry him. It is shown in the memories display when Elsa when into the magical river. Iduna called out to the wind spirit with that Ah ah ah ah song and save both their lives with its help. Why did it not help her when she drown going to the same place Elsa went is because another spirit, the Nokk, the water horse you see fighting Elsa guards that location preventing any trespassors that included their parents even if her mother is good friends with Gale and Elsa herself had to subdue that water horse to be allow to pass. As that place Elsa went to contains all memories of the past and so I think in the lore all the memories water collected is in that location. So the water has memories is likely references the water coming from that magical river that Elsa decided to go into to find her origins and only she can access the memories within the magical river is because she can freeze the water to give the memories form. Which she had done throughout the whole movies.
Elsa also makes herself singing Let it Go and cringes. I love it
Even she's sick of it 🤣
The Fangirl that was hilarious
I know hahah
No I bet it's because she might have seen the Hans trying to be nice to her before she sang 'Let it go' memory and that made her cringe.
Also, didn't the spirits get angry about the dam being built, which was starving the forest of water and hurting the land?
I belive that Elsa/the fifth spirit is somehow an embodiment of Atohallan, it would explain why she has specifically ice powers (because it is a glaciar) and this new ability to summon icy memories, (because Atohallan is "full of memory") it would also explain why in Queen Iduna's song, she refers to the river as a female "...dive down deep into HER sound [...]" I don't know, it's my little theory.
I think Iduna was of magical origin. The movie implies that Iduna’s lineage was special amongst the Northuldra. They state that she’s from the oldest family. Iduna clearly had some kind of commend over the wind too. Agnars story ends with him being lifted away. It was clear to me Iduna had some inste connection to Atahaland. Her lullaby was so directed at Elsa. “Come my darling homeward bound” and “a mother waits” (I can’t recall the true lyric, but I know it’s among those lines). It was almost a prophecy. There is even a memory in Atahaland where Iduna is telling Agnar “I need to tell you the truth about where I come from” ... but they where adults in that memory and Agnat met Iduna in the enchanted forest. It’s even more implied as Iduna is the one to ask Agnar if Elsa and Anna are ready to hear about the forest. I think Iduna traveled to Atahaland in search of both a way to solve who she was, who Elsa was, and how to free the forest, but it wasn’t the right time or the spirits didn’t want the whole ship crew to find out. The spirits are also hearing Iduna call out too. The spirts are otherworldly entities, but they are represented by something. We see the Elements attack without the presence of the spirits. So Maybe these set of spirts just have jurisdiction over the area of Arendel.
They say that the wind helped aduna because the spirits were happy with her for helping someone even though he was the "enemy" and fighting like the other people were.
But again I ask, what stock do the spirits have in a war? They're going on everywhere. Plus all of the spirits literally try to murder people in the movie, but they're upset if people do it to each other? Nokk was straight up pushing Elsa down to drown her.
Valid point, but Frozen 2 has a lot of mythology and many ancient cultures view the sea as a symbol of death, like something that takes but never gives back. In Germanic lore the Nokk is a playful and mischievous spirit that delights in drowning people. In the same way, in Frozen 2 the Nokk attempts to drown Elsa until she successfully tames it.
I think the war combined with the dam was what made the elements mad. The king was wanting to trick and kill the people just cause they could use or had access to magic. So as the people of the forest opened up there home and where friendly, the king blocked the water hurting the forest already angering the elements but then he went and attacked (killed?) the leader when his back was turned to him. And I think that was the reason the forest locked down.
Boy, Elsa & Anna's granddad sure was an asshole & a selfish prick.
I liked your take on Queen Iduna, but I think you need to read up on the Sami, which the Northuldra were based on, both her skin tone and her blue eyes make perfect sense.
As for the story of the root of the conflict, you could read about the Alta dam controversy in Norway in 1978, which involved building a dam in a Sámi river. I haven’t seen anyone making that link yet.
Katarina Wikholm OH I see🤔
I thought Iduna just called for help from the wind spirit. Like the movie said, they didn’t have the powers they just took use of these gifts/blessings.
I enjoyed this movie much more than the first. The singing was more theatrical and emotional, Olaf is less annoying and more funny perhaps due to his ‘maturing’ lol! Loved this, thanks!
That was a super deep theory that really totally changes my perception of this Frozen franchise. Frozen 2 still does leave fans with a lot of questions as to the function of the 5th spirit and why it even matters for the 4 elemental spirits. If Frozen 3 comes out, I hope it can be discussed more, but I still agree with you. Just like how Frozen 1 left us with a LOT of deleted scenes which could piece together missing unexplained things, I hope that Frozen 2 deleted scenes could do the same.
Yes I expect we're going to find a TON of information on Iduna and Agnarr's relationship once the deleted scenes surface. I'll be surprised if there isn't more about Kristoff too, since his story was so flat.
I mean it makes sense that iduna was the wind. All the other elements have a physical representation, but gale is JUST the wind. So maybe once elsa was born and iduna no longer had powers, the wind spirit didnt have a physical body any longer and had to work on it's own.
But WE See her in athohalan calling to the sprits
This isn't really a theory. Her element is Soul. Her mom was the Soul spirit. It's basically canon. It just was never explicitly stated. Soul is always the Fifth element. 7:53 except they literally state in the movie that Iduna was rewarded for saving her enemy.
I want to know how she went for dark skin to light and your theory makes sense. Iduna is special and she definitely was selfless giving up her life for Agnar.
Actually Iduna called out to the 5th element (snow queen)
During the scene where the 4 elements come together and all sorts of memories and pictures scattered across the screen. People were focused on Iduna but there are memories there of Iduna, there is a clip where it looks like she is talking to a snow queen. At least I think I saw that.. seeing it for the 3rd time tomorrow.
Love your videos fangirl.
I really wish I could get that clip to really study it! It happens way too fast.
@@TheFangirlWatches the scene happens very fast that's why I am gonna watch it again tomorrow night. I'll keep ya posted
@@TheFangirlWatches also not sure if you caught 2 Easter eggs in the beginning of the movie, but Dumbo and Baymax are in the beginning of the movie when the girls are playing.
@@queen_boo hey, i have the link of the scene th-cam.com/video/gXtqlLuI94M/w-d-xo.html
I have an idea. What if Elsa's birth was some sort of payment to the 5th element or snow queen? Iduna asked for a favor. A life for a life sort of deal. "For this favor I will have your firstborn" or something.
I think iduna sung to the wind spirit for help, while Elsa heard the calling because iduna wanted Elsa to find her own answer and help her tribe
My gears are still im still in a lot of shock over the movie
Yeah there was a lot to take in. And a lot they didn't cover. I really expect Kristoff to be a northern person.
@@TheFangirlWatches that is why when it comes out on dvd i will go over my own thoughts and see what i can find
The Fangirl I totally expected Kristoff to be a part of the Northuldra.
Random but: swear there was this one point in the Frozen 2 film where I sort of expected Elsa to shout/sing "I AM MOANA~!" xD lol
Also, water having memory is a real thing that's been discovered. Disney didn't pull that out of their animated butts xD
I love how every time fifth element is mentioned the girl (I forgot her name) from the sci-fi movie the fifth element shows up
Leelu 😉
I haven't even seen the second movie yet and I already want frozen 3 xD .
The Nøken is kinda like la llarona witch it’s like it’s trying to lure you into following it and then it will drown you in a body of water
The trolls were the forth element.
Thank you for answering my question.
I hope it made sense. This theory was jumping off script and popping off new ideas all over the place lol
I looked back to this theory and I can still wrap my logic around it, even with the added context from Into the Unknown: Making of Frozen 2 where Jennifer Lee confirmed that the voice really was Elsa's mother, Iduna. It still makes some logical sense that the voice, being confirmed Iduna, is still canonically the magic of Ahtohallan all the same calling Elsa to come home.
Ahtohallan, the magical frozen river, uses magic to use Iduna's calling voice that only Elsa can hear, clearly suggesting that specific voice is of magical origin. The difference can be clearly compared when the voice that Agnarr heard when he was young, while the same, is not a magical one. He was able to hear Iduna's living voice because she was right by his side when she saved him (same goes for those who got trapped in the forest, but also witnessed hearing the physical voice as well, which became stories passed down to Honeymaren's generation).
Ever since I saw Frozen 2 I’ve been excited to see what videos you’d make about the happenings in the movie.
I have additional thoughts to come 😸
Didn't the movie say that the sprits were pushing them out to protect the people for when the dam was destroyed, since they were waiting for Elsa?
And maybe they were still on good terms with the forest people. In the memory cave scene thing, it kinda showed that eduna (can't spell it) sung/called out that little rhyme thing Elsa was hearing, and the wind spirit seemed to show up soon after and picked up Elsa's father for her. Like they knew this was the right decision, and helped her
It is pointed out that the fifth spirit is a bridge between the four spirits and that a bridge needs two ends. It is suggested that those ends need to be two humans, so maybe the two humans that made up the bridge were killed in the fight that broke out between the Northuldra and the Arendellians, causing division between the other four spirits. The wind spirit then came up with the plan to give Iduna the ability to give birth to two children that could form a new bridge and lifting her and Agnarr through the mist put up by the water and fire spirit. Iduna would probably have some understanding of what was going on, so she knew that in order to solve the problem in the Enchanted Forest Elsa and Anna needed to form the bridge of the fifth spirit. However, in order to do that, Elsa first needed to control her own powers, and Iduna really didn't know how to help her with that. As Northuldra, she probably knew about Ahtohallan held answers for such questions. When Elsa hadn't gained control over her powers by the age of 18, she decided such answers were needed. Agnarr found a sea route around the Enchanted Forest to Ahtohallan, and after preparing a cover story of going to the Kingdom of the Netherlands (see below footnote) they set sail. They hadn't expected the water spirit had control over the Dark Sea as there was a water divide between the main river of the Enchanted Forest and the Dark Sea, so the storm that suddenly appeared took them by suprise. That is my theory at this point.
Footnote: in the movie it is mentioned that the ship of Iduna and Agnarr was believed to have sunk in the Southern Sea instead of the Dark Sea. That meant their cover story would have required them to be at the Southern Sea at the time a storm happened there, otherwise they would not have been declared dead, just missing. So in order to figure out where they were going, one would need to find a Southern Sea that could be reached from Southern Norway (as that is where Arendelle is, as explicitly mentioned in the song 'That time of year' from 'Olaf's Frozen adventure') within a week (as Anna said "See you in two weeks" when they left). The map in 'Frozen Fever' shows that the sea south of Arendelle is called Nordsøen or North Sea. This suggests to look south of the North Sea, but today no Southern Sea is to be found there. That is because one that did exist was turned into a lake when a dam called the Afsluitdijk in the Netherlands was built in 1932. Before that, there was a Zuyderzee or Southern Sea there, of which the entire coast belonged to the Kingdom of the Netherlands. As the map in 'Frozen Fever' shows the year MDCCCXL or 1840, so at the time Agnarr and Iduna set sail there was a Southern Sea in the Kingdom of the Netherlands. It was located at about 800 km (500 miles) away, so I'd say I found the Southern Sea where Iduna and Agnarr were believed to have died. And because it was surrounded by the Kingdom of the Netherlands, their cover story must have been that they were going to the Kingdom of the Netherlands.
I kind of disagree about Iduna having powers, the thing is, it’s said in the movie that the spirits were pleased with Iduna’s kind action to her enemy when she tried to save Agnar. So when she wanted to carry him to safety the spirits may have sensed her intention and helped her.
No. That did that becuase the bridge was debilitating the spirits. Thats why.
That doesn't make any sense. Think about it. Nokk could have torn down the wall, or any other spirit. And they did NOTHING to express displeasure for the wall until the war was finished when they could have prevented it from being built. There was no spirit reactions until the war started, which was the same time Iduna ran away. And destroying the bridge was meant to demolish Arendelle - they wanted revenge on the place that took the 5th Element.
@@TheFangirlWatches If this theory may be true, then for me it means that Elsa may have not actually found the real truth when she went deeper in Athohallan, and sent the message to Anna before she froze.
@@TheFangirlWatches it wasn't a bridge it was a Damm that the king built that made the spirits restless. The king committing the act towards the Nurthuldra leader is what caused the battle.
What is cool is the photo at the end and how well it dates the movie. The first photo in all of Norway was taken the year Frozen takes place,and then portrait photography became very popular in the major cities over the next few years.
Yeah I meant to look up those photographs for a general date, but we do see one in Frozen Fever so I hope they all work coherently.
@@TheFangirlWatches I watched Frozen again the day before seeing Frozen 2 forgot about the two shorts.
You hit a lot of the same theories I had! Iduna definitely played a bigger role in this film than most people recognise! They also hint at Iduna being descended from the leaders of the Northumbra people since the symbol on her shawl is immediately recognized by the majority of the tribe as belonging to one of the oldest families, likely the leaders. In which case Elsa and Anna would be princesses of both peoples and their paternal grandfather likely killed their maternal grandfather, but someone theorized they stepped away from pushing this because Elsa is literally the whitest character and having her inherit a position of power over the native Northumbra people doesn't look good...it's kind of like her Grandpa finally conquered them? Anna would look better but idk nothing really materialized there. I totally support 5th spirit Iduna, especially since it was her calling/commanding/summoning both the wind spirit and Elsa. I doubt the Northumbra realised the extent of Iduna's elemental abilities and eventually would have enlightened her as to her role but with the war she made a snap decision to save her crush and get out of dodge. She probably didn't realise she wouldn't be able to go home again. Away from her people no one could explain things to her, Iduna's powers likely weakened and maybe she always thought her connection was dependant on the forest, so she hardly noticed when they disappeared until she had Elsa.
I love your theory!
Yay! Thank you 🥰
the theme about water holding memories is a new-age thing about that actually water could held propeties of things and even emotions, when exposed to key-words or sounds and then got frozen into different ice crystals that kinda reflect the idea about water holding memory of things somehow. Olaf is quoting some eerie investigation from Masaru Emoto in the 90´s and 2000s but some 150 year before that!
You are so good at this
Aww thank you so much 🥰😘
Thanks for this intriguing speculation. I'm fascinated by Iduna and Agnar's romance. It's a story that needs to be told. And, given her relationship with the wind, a.k.a. "Gail," it seems Iduna was more connected with that particular element than the rest of her people. Did you notice how during Elsa's quest it's Gail who's constantly showing up to nudge and guide her in the right direction? I have to wonder if that is her mother...I got the impression that big Iduna head in the glacier wasn't necessary a memory but the former queen herself interacting with her daughter.
Amazing you've now opened my mind
Thank you Don! There are lots of fun tidbits you can pull out of characters, sometimes they're wrong, but I think Iduna's fits pretty well.
Wait did Elsa get her powers by Iduna because she saved her (supposed to be enemy) Agnar so then the spirits(as a gift) gave her 1st child a gift of being the fifth element.
Joy ære forgetting that Gale only helped Iduna because they had a close bond together. And Iduna was pure hearted girl that chose to save her enemy. Which was the reason Elsa was born with her ice power as a reward from the spirits for Iduna's action by saving Agnarr.
GASSSSSP, when elsa came into the forest the first things the spirit's did to elsa was ATTACK her .
They recognize! And Nokk flat out tried to drown her too!
The Fangirl yeah um remember the mythology it’s based on?
Good theory! I think she loved him or at least liked him when she saved him, I mean she chose to go with him back to his kingdom. I'm also hoping there's more we didn't see in the first movie where she talks with and tries to help Elsa.
maybe Iduna wasn't the fifth spirit, but was a cataylist for it instead. The forest woman asks why the spirits would gift Elsa with her powers. So perhaps the book Agnar looks at is not as old as we think. It could be possible that Iduna had a strong connection with the spirits, maybe "training" to be the fifth, but never got that far so they instead gave the role to Elsa. I also think that if someone from Arendell had ice magic that could be why Agnar's father didn't trust them. In one of the memories we hear her start to confess her past to Agnar. I think he was scared of Elsa. He loved her because she was his daughter, but his past made him wary. You can see that Elsa had a pretty great grasp on her powers and the trolls say that fear will be her enemy yet he insits she stay locked away and never use her power. feeding her fear. the mom just sits back and watches. maybe he has a prejudice against magic and she wanted to go to the river out of guilt for giving the daughter power. Also the whole bit about a bridge and two daughters. Maybe Anna did get powers, they're just not elemental. She's very persuasive and social that could be her power. Elsa is the element part and Anna the human, together they make the bridge.
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I kinda sorta hope there is a 3rd movie and some how iduna is alive and gets reunited with her tribe
I have a suggestive theory for you: Could Fred Frederickson's family from Big Hero 6 have had great great ancestors that were from Arendelle or any of the neighboring countries..maybe of the southern isles?
Also do you think Elsa at some point would show Anna the Island of Ahtohollan?
coraline queston:In the bigging the belldame is in a house that house is it? and later its like stars like how wybe said about the well "it looks like stars so the other mothers real home is in the well and so coraline gives back her hand and i think the key too so the belldame came reach back to coraline please put this in a video.Thanks!
Queen Iduna is the most underrated Frozen character for me. I like her better than Kristoff, Olaf and Sven and would love her to be revealed to be alive in Frozen 3!
I made to the end love your theroies
I believe that the 5th element was split into two pieces and the other half was trying for 6 years to call to its other and when Elsa showed up at the cave that's when I believe that's when the two pieces came together in Elsa.
Autohalan is loosely based on Svalbard a small island in Norway
Love Elsa's doll you have very good video 📹
The way that I understood it, Iduna's bond with Gale is what saved her and her husband. Because of her good deed Gale gifted her with Elsa AND Anna, the two sides of the bridge that could help free the forest.
I could be wrong, but I believe that Anna and Elsa's story isn't completely over either. What lies ahead, who can really say?
I hate frozen and haven't watched the second movie but i love your theory videos, one thing that did really stick out to me in the first movie is that Iduna doesn't seem to like Elsa very much. when elsa hits anna with magic Iduna ignores Elsa and doesn't try to comfort her in any way, ok i know it was a very stressful moment but even after that shes not very motherly
Also since all the different elements are portrayed with thing... I guess (e.g. Water= nokk, fire= burnie the salamander, earth= the earth giants) but the wind spirit is just wind... I guess you could say the leaves were but I think that that's just to show where the wind was. So the wind has nothing that portrayes it but maybe Iduna could be the one... 😁👌What do you think...?
"Gail".. lmao 😆
I have a question for you than now if let say I melted something special that was important to them and I dead than why would my kids have to pay the price for what I have done?
I'm not sure I'm following the question, but in general we shouldn't expect people to pay for the sins of their father.
Christian world view.
Noah Kurz I am confused
well I guess that debunks the tarzan theory/joke
I hate that theory so I'm glad 🤣
Nope not really debunks. Just leaves it in limbo
I have to see frozen 2. But very interesting. There is a backstory on Queen Iduna on the wikepedia fandom page( not sure how accurate it is) I liked it.
I'm pretty sure the wiki is basically people like me trying to force things to make sense lol
@@TheFangirlWatches I see your point. The backstory was so well written I couldn't blink!! lol
Here in seconds, bet the vid is great X3
*waits anxiously for response* 😳
@@TheFangirlWatches It was really good, and I love it when you say your ideas in the moment out loud unscripted. Great work
Was that dam destroyed by Elsa, Anna or the Rock Giants at Anna's request?
The Spirit of the Enchanted Forest could have taken down that dam at any time, but they were wise enough to realize that if they made the decision it would go over badly with Arendelle, especially since the kingdom would have been flooded. That's why they wanted the decision to be made by King Runard or a member of his family, which was made possible when a Northuldra girl with no magical powers, and was certainly not a previous incarnation of the Fifth Spirit, rescued Runard's son. So the Magical Spirits did want Idunna to go with Agnarr back to Arendelle and build the relation of love and trust that would form the foundation for the friendship that Runard's betrayal destroyed.
I've heard some absurd movie hypothesizes in my time, and this is definitely up there.
Now I wanna watch it cuz of the spoilers
I love this. show
Awesome
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I’m pretty sure Iduna didn’t have any powers because the element spirits blessed her first born with powers because she saved her enemy and had 2 daughters because they each represent the 2 bridges of the worlds. That explains why she wanted to find the explanation behind Elsas powers is because having powers is all new to her. But I reckon the spirits really do care about the people and intended to make a fog to seperate them from a war because they fled the people of arendelle from the big wave.
My theory:
Elsa's mother have no powers,it was just a small part of the wind spirit that is not mad yet,as a gift of iduna forgiving an enemy (Agnar from Arrendlle) and elsa was born with ice power. But somehow they think its a curse so,she come to ahtohaleen and was going to ask for answer but they died in the way,and why the spirits was mad is because the war ruins the magic of the forest or the spirits is probably mad because of agnar's father making a barrier for the water spirits but instead making it weaker,thats why in the end anna broke down the barrier the spirits was release,Also iduna didnt marry agnar for a magical child,but because she loved him truly,and Elsa became the 5th element because she has powers that could complete the other spirits,and iduna and agnar have 2 daughter (elsa and anna) so the other reason why elsa became the 5th element is because she and anna will always have a strong connection,Also why she dont get the call when she is younger is because she CANT control her powers yet, thats my theory tho
Can you sing "All is found" from Frozen 2 in your next frozen theory?Your theory makes sense
Lol if I can learn it I'll give it a try
I love this song ,the melody is so beautiful and I think it will sound amazing with your voice. As I told you in a previous video I really like your voice,I am a composer and I know about those things
You should do my theory that Kristoff is part Northuldra.
I believe that theory too! The movie hinted that with his scenes with Ryder
Sorry i just kept looking at your sailor moon poster in the back ground i love sailor moon so much....❤❤❤
No, no, you keep on commenting! I think I found that poster in an FYE in the 90s - back when the R season was just coming to US tvs.
@@TheFangirlWatches have you watched crystal yet I love it it follows the manga not a lot of filler like the 90s one but one down fall the doom tree arch isnt there.... i love you videos and i follow you on Twitter too...😄
Theory time.... I think iduna was the princess/ 5th element of the northern people... It would make sense why the elements and people got mad when she left for arendell and everything got shut off
Girl you need to replace those writers
yes it is correct and i am norwegian
The movie had a lot of story potential like it could have been flushed out more and I think it would have made a cool tv show like they did for tangled
I think Disney was hoping to reignite the financial success of Frozen and tv show stuff just doesn't sell as well. But you are right, there are tons of bits that deserved more coverage, like Kristoff's strange connection to the Northerners where he should have been connected to them somehow.
The Fangirl wait what?😅
OK, so filling in with your theories, I made my theories:
*IDUNA IS FROM CHIEF/ROYAL LINEAGE OR EVEN A SHAMAN FAMILY*
Every tribe have their magic people that usually having this friendly relationship with guardian spirit, either the royal or the shaman, which I guess make her more in tune with the spirits ( as we saw her playing with gale) She probably did not know or understand her lineage or power fully as she left her people to get Agnarr to safety
*[ Note: I think spirits reside in the forest or in upper north/Ahtohallan, Arendelle & other human settlement further down their land probably poor in magical energy or in this case natural quality, their magic can reach far beyond the forest as we see them using to terrorize the arendelle citizens, but they themselves probably choose not to bother stay around outside of their home ]*
*THE 5TH SPIRIT IS THE ONE THAT GAVE A GIFT TO IDUNA*
They said the spirits are the one that gave Iduna a gift, but I think we know which one that ACTUALLY gave her a magical child, the one that meant to be a bridge, it was the 5th one. I probably sound overthinking right now, but what if, the 5th gave herself up to Iduna & manifest as Elsa. When Elsa was born, her element (ice) shows each spirits' characteristic : ice originated from water & wind(temperature) combined, hard as earth and can be dangerous like fire.
Elsa was the 5th, since the 5th sense disturbance in the balance & feel the need to balanced things out, but it can't do it pretty well when it have no physical form, the conflict is between spirit & human, at least it need to be visible like gale at the very basic, but 5th reside in Ahtohallan, a glacier, if it looks too spirit-ish ( made from ice/snow ) people won't trust it, if it looks too human spirits won't either. So it manifest as a magical person, it gave up itself as a gift to Iduna for showing a compassion & act like you know, a peace maker would be. It reborn as Elsa, have no memories of it's original form or whatsoever.
*AHTOHALLAN HOLD THE DECEASED'S MEMORIES*
Ahtohallan was the 5th spirit's home, the reason is I think the 5th is related to souls aside of just raw force of nature. That means... Ahtohallan is also a place that hold the deceased's memories aside from just hold every truth like some super computer...This explains why Iduna was there, she drowned after all, the sea probably carried her memories to Ahtohallan.
*THE MIST IS THE 4 SPIRITS DOING*
why we bother with this mist? the forest is home for other 4 elemental spirits NOT THE 5TH, so the 5th is like this neutral one here when the conflict happened, it meant to be a neutral one that provide the spirit & human balance after all, so unless the 4 spirit convinced that the past wrong doing can be fixed & both side swore for peace, the spirits won't open the door for anyone. The spirit was awakened as Elsa's magic matured, they recognize it as the 5th, but enraged as why it is in arendelle, not Ahtohallan, so they probably thought that by causing chaos in Arendelle, the 5th will be back to where it belongs (conveniently it saves Arendelle's people from big water released from the destroyed dam too)
*WHO IS CALLING*
It is what remains from the 5th, when it sacrifice it's power to Elsa, it's memory stuck in Ahtohallan, the 4 spirits, like Nokk, test if Elsa is really 5th not just some Arendelle brat that stole magic from spirit. Elsa/5th realize it is where it belongs, in Ahtohallan, they merged & Elsa now have power up & basically becoming the snow queen. Elsa always feel estranged from her surrounding because... she never meant to be there & she have a job to finished
[ Note: even though I called Elsa as a very basic, on soul level is the 5th, but her personality is one of her own. Technically Avatar, that's that :))
*HOW IT GIVE FROZEN 1 LOT OF SENSE*
Iduna know there were chaos between her tribe & Arendelle, she was afraid that even if she saved the crown prince she will get persecuted in a way, so she hide her ancestry (just like Andersens' little mermaid can't tell the prince she saved the truth of who actually save him) Iduna know her people can coexist with spirits, but NONE OF THE NORTHULDRAN ARE MAGICAL, so how the f she know what the heck Elsa is, it's not like the 5th coming to her like Gabriel to Virgin Mary that she's about to have a messiah for a child. She accept her daughter's uniqueness anyway, even Agnarr seems OK until it accidentally harms Anna & almost froze her brain, he just a worried parent! Imagine him having a magic hater father & now his daughter is magical & have the possibility to murder the other one if her power grow out of control, he don't know shit what to do aside from the trolls. He willingly go with Iduna to the dark sea for Elsa, if that's not parental love IDK what it is.
Elsa, in this movie still afraid of her power, let alone hear the call, the moment she harm Anna make her absolutely anxious & view her power as a curse, not a part of herself. In the end of Frozen 1, Elsa learn that she should not be afraid of herself, but we can't deny a kingdom with a magical queen as the leader probably will bring problem to Arendelle, and she feel lonely being the only magical being in the kingdom no matter how her family's presence comfort her, in the second movie, Elsa found a place to belong & settle years of conflict along with Anna.
Bro that orange haired girl thing that kept popping up was legit scaring me.
That's the 5th Element! Her name is Leelu.
I wonder if Iduna had ice powers.
Frozen still connects to tangled little mermaid and tarzan still.
Tangled cameo
Little mermaid author in frozen world plus hans in Eric's brother
No bodies so parents are stranded in sea and still end up to be tarzan parents
Dude, Tarzan’s parents don’t look anything like the king and queen - not even the same hair colors. And, Tarzan’s parents are English, he’s a lord once he returns to civilization.
@@TheFangirlWatches uhm one thin keep in mind. In novels he returns to civilization and Clayton is his cousin.
Here in adaptation he us neither Clayton cousin nor returning to civilization.
Also they do look alike in facial structure and hair style. If you watched frozen 2 you'd know that her hair style is similar to young Iduna's. Also hair color cam be dyad or changed.
Listen you don't like the theory okay but please don't talk like it's impossible or it seems to me like you're not telling the truth but instead mocking the theory.
Tarzan CAN BE A PRINCE OF ARENDELLE WHO IS LONG LOST so at least give this a 40/100 possibility if you can't give it 50.
Thx for opinion. And keep up the good wirk
Omg Iduna was the 5th spirit in the form air and when Elsa was born she wasn't the 5th spirit anymore and Elsa became it 🤔
I loved the second film. I was a little confused why Iduna’s hair was ginger when she was younger and brown when she was older though
Unless maybe her hair changed colour when she gave birth to Elsa (passing on the 5th element and her magic to her daughter). We’ve seen similar hair colour changing shenanigans in both Tangled and Frozen so it’s possible?
not seen it jet but it's common for peoples hair to change like that where I'm from. My dads was white blond as a baby, my mums was golden blond until her preteens both became dark brown as adults. Mines didn't really change but I got all the recessive genes lol mine is like 3 colours mixed together so changes depending on the light. Anyway point is normal for colours to darken, I've even seen a pic of my mums gold turned dark strawberry blond when it was darkening, so reasonable to me for someones to change like that
Oooh that's a neat point! Dang if I had thought of it that would have helped my theory a ton lol. And no one is questioning that adult Iduna was super white and the Northerners are more similar to Native Alaskans in appearance. And Iduna looked a lot darker as a kid too!
The Fangirl True! Maybe you could say that Iduna didn’t leave the house often due to Elsa’s powers and their whole attitude towards her powers. Or when she did leave it was during the winter months or at night. Her regality could also be a factor because historically upperclass tend to favour pale complexion and use parasols and stuff to shield their skin from the sun whilst the lower class are tanned from working out in the sun all day... idk it is kinda strange that she looks so different though. Although that one guy that tried to help Christof propose to Anna had the same blue eyes as her. Although now that we know that Iduna experiences magic before its confusing that the parents were so scared of Elsa’s magic and wanted to hide her away
@@WHAATEVEN but they seemed to accept it, letting her play etc, until anna got hurt. maybe its because theyd fear everything going wrong and the spirits being free to come after them or tricking elsa into hurting people
Omg u look like my old teacher from high school lol
That was me, Khadra 🤫
Omg I know
Spoiler alert:
I just realized something. When elsa "died", olaf died too. That means, that giant that she made in first movie, and those little snowmans from "frozen fever" are GONE. She didn't rebuild them like Olaf...
Omg....
This made me sh👀k
After the credits it shows msrshmallow and the little snowmen alive once again
cartoon lover there’s an end credits scene
The elements were not mad at the northolga tribe
It was gale who helped iduna lift agnar
What about that other person?!
I’ve got a question, wasn’t it confirmed a while back by the directors that Anna and Elsa’s parents were headed to a wedding? Or is that no longer the case, and if that’s true then does that debunk the theory that Anna and Elsa are related to Repunzel?
Redbandit it’s not true coz they Elsa and anna realise the parents were looking for reasons for Elsas powers
Chloe Mills so are we supposed to just disregard everything that the directors have told us about Anna and Elsa’s parents from the first movie?
Redbandit it’s probably a rumour they they said it, or they said it and they changed their mind
Chloe Mills well, at least now we can officially debunk the Tarzan theory
Redbandit yep
What is that thing calling Elsa?
I am SO confused.
Oh no I made the mystery worse 😱
@@TheFangirlWatches Sorry, I am a visual learner and all I got was from the video was Queen Iduna had magic? (Also, Yey!!! The names of the kind and queen are canon for my frozen chapter book!)
Please answer my question in your next video.
She loved him Anna is proof. Thier relationship ead of co equals, what we saw of it. And iys implied by the way Anna decided that guy was matrshable, was not for advantageous reasons. If that was a thing in the royal concern, we'd see it reflected in the way the girls actions and the way their expectations of marriage would be colored.
i was excited fro frozen two but when i saw it- it was okay... but i wished it wasnt so fast paced and it just seemed rushed and forced. my opinon
Earth giants
Water has memory of the people or animals it had passed through...kinda gross
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Hi Sierra!
So she was the Avatar. Lol 😆
Kinda 🤣
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