Hello there! This video is pretty important to me, I think jokes are one thing and humor is subjective, but commercializing a tragedy like this is unacceptable. I wanted to post this on the 15 because most of Titanic's sinking occurred then but I think it'd be wrong to post it on Good Friday. Happy Easter!
When I clicked on the video notification this was not what I was expecting. You did an excellent job and brought light to an important topic. Thanks for the great videos and information!
I still dont get why they think making cash of a horribly tragedy is ok i mean these were real people that were very effected by this so we should just stop making merch about this
@@S.M.R I just looked it up and watched the trailer, that movie just seems really disrespectful. There’s also a film called Titanic 2000, which is a…porn film…set on the Titanic
The Cathedral in my home town is built with double the amount of steel necessary because the builders didn't trust the material as much after the Titanic sunk. There is so much more to this tragedy that simply isn't talked about. Good on you for speaking up about this!
@@themac6356 Until it catches on fire and burns and it's just blamed on an "accident", A lot of churches mysteriously went up in flames in 2020-2021 unfortunately.
@@FrederickTheAnon14W If you refer to Notre Dame, well, I don't think anyone will going to commit arson on that even if they perpared to do so. If it was churches in generals, debatable.
Thank you for saying this. I’m from Southampton, and Titanic always means a lot to us historically. Out of the 1,500 people, over 500 were crew members who were from my city. A lot of our citizens lost family members, or knew people who lost people. We have a huge engineers memorial in the middle of town to commemorate them. For people nowadays to think of it as just a movie and for there to be fun merchandise and memes about it bothers me in ways I can’t describe. Not that we can’t make jokes, but the emotional disconnect feels gross, in the same way 9/11 jokes or Pearl Harbour jokes feel gross.
Agreed! I'm from the US, and i vividly remember 9/11. My parents have shared their stories about what their parents were doing, and how they felt, when Pearl Harbor happened. It affects everyone in one form or another, especially those who have direct connections to the disaster, like you for example. If those 2 events i mentioned were to be commercialized in any way.. omg the outrage would be massive! And i believe Titanic should have the same respect as any other event in history
In April of 2015, a channel called Elite Facts produced their first video being "12 Haunting Facts About Titanic". Which among other ridiculous statements said "Titanic was the last ship to be sunk by an iceberg". So I, a 14 year old passionate Titanic Fan created a comment in all caps exposing their lies. This in turn created a thread where Elite Facts actually pretended like they were right, and much backlash from my comment was made which lead through a line of toxicity and hypocrisy in it too. It eventually reached around 450 replies over 3 years, including a month long thread by two people smack talking each other. A good 100 or so comments were purged from it, but the thread still remains. Elite Facts is still making hot garbage to this day.
but i still totally agree with what you said, and I have been thinking the same thing about Elite Facts for a while as an aviation enthusiast, their "fact videos" are total trash filled with misinformation
@@Sticknub same with rail enthusiasts like me. at least boats and planes garner some interest these days, trains it seems lack any substance whatsoever. so I expect any channel, that isnt train-centric, will get most "facts" wrong as well.
As a Ship's Nerd and somewhat historian i have only one thing to say: Thank you for this video from the bottom of my heart. For years i've been vocal about this issues. We don't do NOTHING compared to Titanic's commercialization. Even with events as fascinating that came prior to that we need to show respect and honor those whom lost their lives trying to save themseves and the others.
@jdslyman The amount of videos on TH-cam that use Queen Mary as a “haunted ship challenge” is staggering. I mean, I wouldn’t mind it as much if they took the teaching opportunity they have with the audience they have, but none of them do
Sorry for the super late reply lol, I actually am completely self taught. I use a mobile app called Ibispaint X, yes you read that right I do all my work on mobile, just goes to show you don't necessarily need good hardware for good work.
I once heard one of my classmates say “you can joke about the titanic, but 9/11 jokes are offensive”. I like to make jokes about disasters, sometimes things are too dark to take too seriously after they’ve happened, but even then, a level of respect for the events should be taken into consideration. If one tragedy is okay to joke about, so is the other.
With 9/11 at least most deaths were quick with only a few moments of terror. But imagine being in freezing cold water for 15 minutes or more slowly having your life taken away with the selfish people in lifeboats preferring to save their own lives over the lives of others
@@bigshipsexactly so I'd imagine it'd be the other way around, but NO! Why? Because the deaths of the many outweigh the deaths of the few To me, it feels like it's a 100-year rule. That your aloud to joke a boot a tragedy if 100+ years have passed, but people from the Titanic, they died slowly, painfully, in the ice, poor b***ards, but in 9/11 a lot of the people died because they fell, which I'd personally rather die from fall damage than from cold damage
@@bigshipsthey weren't selfish, they either go back and get their boat swamped, killing everyone onboard and not saving anyone in the water, or at least try to save themselves. Imagine it was you in that situation
Your classmate was absoludly right, a great example are the "my grandfather told them she would sink" and the pool joke. 9/11 has almost no jokes like those, the closest one is "my dad died that day, he was the pilot".
I understand where you’re coming from, but I don’t believe the 1997 movie was made purely for commercial profit. Certainly a lot of fat cat producers lived for it, but Cameron himself made the film because of his respect for the tragedy, and it shows in the end product. I watch this film every anniversary not because of a sick thrill or anything, I watch it out of respect for the victims of the tragedy. It’s quite beautiful. Sad that so many don’t see it like that.
I think the movie was repectable. It's the world of merch that it opened up, perhaps unintentionally. And I've been seeing Titanic jokes all week. Even someone trying to sell yarn with Titanic jokes.
He wasn’t too much talking about the movie. He was talking about the commercialization crap where they make and sell t shirts of Titanic sinking into the water.
5:53 My man, he literally says that he doesn't count the movie as the sick Commercialization he talks about. He only mentions that a few aspects are over exaggerated which is very fair to say and true imo.
Indeed. He made the film because he wanted to see the Wreck. Given the fact he went back to the wreck twice and made two documentaries on the subject shows he was far more interested in the ship and her history and not how much of a profit someone could make.
"Have you heard about this ocean liner from over a century ago ..." "You mean the Titanic?" "... that hit an iceberg near Newfoundland with over a thousand passengers on board ..." "Everybody knows about the Titanic!" "... and suffered a crushed bow, but was still able to complete her voyage to New York." "???" . . . . . . The ship was the SS Kronprinz Wilhelm, and the date was July 8, 1907, five years before the sinking of the Titanic.
@@ukaszwalczak1154 Think about it. You are an engineer, working for Harland & Wolff back in 1908 as part of the design team for three new ships, ordered by the White Star Line. Somebody says: "Remeber that german passenger ship that hit a huge iceberg last year." "But that happend in dense fog, The SS Krownprinz Wilhelm is half the size, they could close the doors of the watertight compartments in 30 seconds and there wasn't much damage to the hull anyway."
Ah yes, one of the Four Flyers! With as much respect and admiration I have for these legendary liners, I didn't know the *Kronprinz* had hit an iceberg within her lifetime! The more you know!
Overall I agree with this sentiment. The only pieces of Titanic "merchandise" I own and would care to own are things that try to be as accurate and honorable/respectful as possible. I'd say the merch that the THG crew does is among the best I've seen in that regard. I have some reproduction memorabilia of post cards, brochures, tickets, advert posters and other things of that sort that were period accurate that I think are pretty cool. And I think models of the ship which act as a way to keep the ship alive as she was intended to be seen are crucially important as we get closer and closer to the wreck eventually decaying/collapsing and thus the actual Titanic will no longer physically exist within our lifetime. I'm currently building the official LEGO Titanic model that came out last year and I have to give credit for how respectful it and the designers were to the event. The model and the added tidbits of trivia in the instruction books are clearly meant to celebrate the ship itself and the marvel of engineering she was. I have not seen a single reference to the sinking itself, it's about Titanic the ship, not Titanic the tragedy.
I do understand Models, books, and the reproduction tickets, postcards, or even reproduction china, but the toys, goofy candles and clothing are a bit much.
When I went to the Titanic Museum in 2017, I was uncomfortable with how many people were taking pictures and smiling in them. I mean, I get it, it can be really exciting to see the old artifacts, to see living history right in front you, but it still felt...well wrong and rather distasteful. I even had a hard time picking something out in the gift shop because I wanted a memento to remember the trip, but I didn't want to be tacky (I ended up picking a small magnet with the White Star Line logo that is placed next to my Titanic books on my bookshelf). Being a Titanic enthusiast is rather tricky; the history of it is fascinating, but you HAVE to know when to rein in your excitement for the thing and to remember it IS a tragedy, not your own personal TV show that sells merch.
that feature was to help with moving the model and it's not in half but thirds I own the set and it's literally just for convenience. Since they added the feature they might as well add visible interior for those sections.
GBM did a similar video on this comparing it to Costa Concardia and I cannot agree more with both of you guys. My senior project was on titanic and it's influence and the fact that 110 years later we still hear ships are "bigger than the Titanic" spoken as a selling point. Love the video my guy. I would love to see a reaction to Bright Side and their shit, but drawing attention to it probably makes it worse. Glad you said this though.
The only Bright Side videos I've ever watched and likely will ever watch was when they were discussing Titanic II, what would've been if Titanic never sank, and how/if we could raise the wreck. At least with those they did a decent enough job telling it as it is. Otherwise, they're straight garbage.
As much as I am interested in the Titanic and I am glad that the ship has been memorialised for future generations, yes, I do feel that she and her sudden demise has been milked to certain dessication. We've had a gazillion documentaries and movies of varying quality, video games, songs, etc. but some of them have ultimately cheapened the disaster just as how some felt that Christmas has lost its meaning. A 9/11 joke is distasteful as it's still in everyone's minds, yet even if you can get away with a Titanic joke, I highly doubt that it would be a great idea to cash in on the tragedy by making a cheap gag and profit from it either. Not to mention that some of the figures involved like Bruce Ismay have been way more vilified than necessary as if they were the devil incarnate or something. We've turned the whole ordeal of 1912 into a theme park attraction and that isn't good.
Just to point out Ismay being vilified isn’t a recent idea but the result of an organised campaign of character assassination that happened immediately after the sinking. False claims were published constantly like him dressing up as a woman to get on a lifeboat to the infamous telling Captain Smith to go faster Not everything was respectful of the tragedy back then, especially not the shameless tabloid press..
Very well said! My only quibble would be that people did indeed rush to commercialize the sinking. A dramatized short film was released just a month after the sinking. In fact, there were three such movies produced in 1912. It seems like many people found them to be in poor taste, but those films ultimately sold really well at the box office. Sadly the urge to cash in on tragedy isn't a recent phenomenon.
This cannot be more true. If you go and search up "Titanic" in the search bar on TH-cam, most of the videos that you will see are videos with thumbnails or titles like "5 MYTHS ABOUT THE TITANIC DEBUNKED" with the first "myth" being the coal fire theory being "true". Then if you go down more you see people basically masturbating to Jack and Rose, then if you go down more you will see people inaccurately destroying Titanic in games. Only about 1% of the videos will be accurate to history. Just goes to show how badly we treat Titanic nowadays.
I've thought about this for about as long as I've been into naval history. You really hit the topic out of the park. Especially seeing the blow up Titanic slide is a big Yikes.
This is a great video, as a bit of a youngster myself I haven’t really thought of the titanic as a similar disaster to 9/11, because 9/11 is still in the living memory, and it really does mean a lot that you have tried to make this issue heard, because this issue means a lot, you changed my perspective on the matter, and I think that this issue needs to be heard even by even more than just me!
Finally someone said it. It’s gross the shit people have done with this ship knowing full well that 1,496 people died and 700+ survivors more than likely suffered trauma.
It's easy to not realize that after Titanic went under, the sound of the people in the water was similar to that of a small stadium. That's how many people there were. Utterly terrifying to hear from a lifeboat. Historical disconnect is a real thing. I shudder to imagine a day when there is an "I'd Hit That" T-shirt with a 767 and a skyscraper. But, I'm sure that day will come.
Jesus those quotes really showed me how terrifying it was, it’s so romanticised these days, the deaths of near a thousand people. It’s almost sickening
Personally, Titanic gives me a strange sense of longing; of longing to be there, to see it, to experience it. Not the tragedy, of course, this feeling is almost removed that from that. Almost. Having a passionate obsession for something involved in a tragic event can make you forget about how awful it really was. With Titanic, I think the obsession and passion actually ties into how awful it was. We can't comfort and empathize with the survivors directly because they're gone. The next best thing to fill that void in our hearts is a bittersweet longing for what the ship was like April 13th and prior. The beauty and glory and power and hope Cameron's film beautifully shows. We want to know everything about that ship in its brief heyday because we wish it was like that forever. We wish the passengers had experienced it that way and lived. Then greedy bastards come in with snow globes and candles, preying on societies new understanding of connecting with the tragedy. I firmly believe Cameron's film is one of, if not the greatest production of all time and perfectly captures this longing, bittersweet feeling that comes with Titanic today. It's a shame that reaching that meant Titanic firmly being a cash cow for the insensitive.
It's always boggled me how marketers have been able to get away with this when you just _know_ that if they did this for the Hindenburg, the Holocaust, or 9/11, the fallout would be *astonishing.* On a side-note, my great-great grandmother on my mom's side was actually meant to go on the Titanic, but her taxi got into an accident on the way to the harbor, so while she did survive the crash, she never made it on the voyage.
As much as I hate to say it, this is human nature: make money out of everything one can. I went down to the site of the World Trade Center (I had been on the Observation area on the roof way back in '79 or '80. Still have the photos). This was when the remains had been cleared out, but the new tower not yet started. The perimeter was fenced off, and covered with tarps so you couldn't see in. But, surrounding that perimeter (and even for a block or 2 outside it), were tables set up with various sellers hawking crystal WTC's, T-shirts, baseball caps and the like. This was only a couple of years later. I found it repugnant (I think, however, I DID buy 1 or 2 items; I also realized that these might have been people with low income, who were trying to make a buck for their families. In this case, I guess I was as bad as anybody. At least they were small, inexpensive items). The point being, no matter how tragic a catastrophe is, someone will find a way to commercialize and make money off of it. Even off an event that happened only 2 or 3 years before with twice TITANIC's death toll. Everything today is about the money, especially for an event that occurred a century + ago where there is no one left alive that experienced it. I'm sure there are gift shops at Gettysburg and the Little Big Horn. Come buy an authentic replica arrow tip! Nothing is sacred from commercialization. (BTW, I bought a LUSITANIA T-shirt WAY back in the '80's. Think it was at one of the conventions. I went to the '87 THS one, and a couple of TI ones in the early '90's. Still have it, unworn, in one of the drawers somewhere).
I have always loved old technology and old things in general, and I especially love not only Titanic, but all the ships at the time and how they worked. Titanic was a major part into why I got into mechanics and engineering because I just always was fascinated on how its engines worked. And how all machines at the time worked, that mixed in with my love of old fashioned things and music really went well. Because of Titanic I have learned so much about shipping, history, and the world from those times as well.
5:43 Oof, I used to watch RedHatter when I was about eleven years old, maybe. Just during their peak popularity with the GTAV FNaF Titanic series. I had just fallen into the massive rabbit hole that was Titanic history and ocean liners as a whole, and naturally, seeing Titanic herself alongside an assortment of FNaF characters caught my little kid eye. Even then, however, I could feel something a tad wrong with making such a horrible event into a 20 minute goofy GTA mod gameplay video. Well done on this vid, though, speaks about an issue that really does need some attending to! I enjoyed it a lot.
I understand this a serious subject, and another channel (Ask A Mortician) has also touched on the issue that is capitalization and monetization of tragedy but holy hell: "Until his 2010 Pocahontas remake" line had me rolling. Excellent work as always!
God this is depressingly true. I'm working on a project about the Eastland disaster which is partially connected to Titanic and there's this disconnect of indifference and ignorance that just hurts after reading survivor accounts.
I was interested in the Titanic as a kid and was lucky enough to meet Dr Ballard and that fueled my love for the history even more. Went to the titanic museum when it came here probably three times and picked up a board game about the titanic. That was a little commercial but I think the Titanic board game was also good for kids to have them think more about it and enjoy learning on the history of it more. The game was about getting from steerage to a lifeboat traveling through the second class, first class, and dining section before getting out on the deck and to a lifeboat. With needing to get your passport, medical check, and some other documents before you could leave steerage. It was an interesting thing and I’m a little mixed on it but for kids I think it was a good thing and mixed in a lot of history into the gameplay.
It always pisses me off when bright side or some other click bait youtubers make up stories and pass off rumors as fact about the Titanic, i just hope one day there would be no more clickbait videos about Titanic.
"Titanic Swim Team"? Unbelievable. There's a T shirt you can get in Belfast that's a little bit more tasteful. It says "Titanic: it was fine when it left here".
I think after a while, it gets to a critical point where its been long enough that people just kinda forget about its historical significance. its like the "22.3 years" rule that south park came up with, where you're only allowed to make fun of a tragedy at least 22.3 years after it happened
Good video and great points. The Titanic is one of the most discussed subjects in history, behind Jesus Christ and the American Civil War. When the ‘97 movie came out, they sold everything from T shirts to salt and pepper shakers. It was a little disappointing after awhile. There were liners that followed that were just as grand and beautiful as Titanic, particularly the Normandie. Great video!
Well put. I (1949 vintage) have always been a bit of a Titanic “nerd”, even more so since Ballard’s re-discovery. The highlight of my Titanic life though was in 1997 taking my father-in-law(born 1905 Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia, Canada) to see Cameron’s epic. He was mesmerized. It was a significant event in his life - Halifax NS was the centre of recovery operations - and he had spent some of his younger days at sea in the North Atlantic.
Sorry for a potentially odd question, but did your father-in-law ever see Olympic in person? Iirc she operated out of Halifax for the second half of WW1.
Stay at the worlds most bombed hotel wasn’t really a great selling point either. Then when the Europa lost that title to the Baghdad Hilton, Titanic was all they had until Game of Thrones came to town.
I'm actually from Liverpool, the city named on Titanic, Olympic, Britannic and many other ships stern. We have a maritime museum which for the 100th anniversary opened a Titanic exhibit, which was extremely interesting. Luckily they don't overcommercialise it too much there.
What a shift in tone, having just watched a string of your funnier videos. I appreciate the respect and reverence you hold, and indeed your observations are sadly true. Thank you for the content you create; I'm so eager to see what else you release!
ah yes, the “Titanic Swim Team” Where each class is held in pools with 28-degree-Fahrenheit water and last about ~10 minutes or so. I can’t think of *any* issues with THAT idea! :)
Yes, thank you!!! I work for a pretty big TH-cam channel and it's so fucking annoying to me when they give me scripts about Titanic because it's "trendy". Like, they want me to give some conspiracy theories, clickbait titles and shit, and it always bugs me the wrong way. Imagine if they did something like this with 9/11 or something. It's ok to make videos about the tragedy, but there are like 30 of them on this channel! I'm so pissed. Thank you for bringing this up.
I’m so happy someone called it out, like I swear I saw so many TH-cam videos that are clickbait saying “rare footage of titanic found in ocean” and it plays a 4K reenactment of it.
You have a talent for making Great videos. It keeps interest and humanizes people from the past while giving a good laugh that makes you remember the information without coming off as forced. So I just learned about this ship and I think you could do the topic justice. Its the wreck of the ss richard montgomery, a liberty ship from ww2 that sank in the thames carrying 14,000 tons of bombs and other explosives.... and it's still there... fully loaded... dead smack in the center of the thames as the mouth of the channel surrounded by London. Apparently they are taking the "just don't think about it too hard" approach.
This is all true. The Titanic was one of the most horrible disasters in human history. Truley a disaster that killed over a thousand lives and ruined thousands more. I kinda want that Hawaiian shirt though.
Originally I made a jokey comment before watching it, but yea. Its not something I ever thought of so much, but I couldn't argue that you bring up very valid points. Also those teeshirts Holy crap
when i think of the disaster and watch the movies i cant help but cry , not just because of the loss of a beautfil ship , but the human aspect of the tragedy as well , Captain Smith and Thomas andrews as well as many others are people i respect and even mourn for despite not being my relatives at all , i dont mind the commecelisation as long as it not dumb i mean models and recreations of areas of the ship or even replicas of artifacts heck even a Titanic in a bottle i dont mine these , but things as dumb as a scented candle is enfuriating , i see recreations of the ship and they are executed so beautifuly i even shed tears because of the immersion , overall i believe i have a strange connection to this ship as it also set me to becoming a man similar to Captain Smith , a modern commodore a man people want to sail with . Thank you for reading if you did.
Thank you for this video. My great, great aunt and uncle died on the titanic and I can only imagine what it must have been like for my family at that time. I find the commercialisation of that fateful journey extremely distasteful considering what my family must have gone through.
In one of Bright Side's recent videos, they put the bear from Five Nights at Freddy on THE TITANIC. I'm not even joking, they're seriously so up their ass about this shit.
I hate to say it but commercialization happened quickly afterward. The films "I Survived the Titanic," "In Night and Ice" and "The Obsession" were all made within months of the tragedy.
I’m very glad someone finally touched this topic. My distant ancestor, Patrick Fox, was aboard in steerage and sadly did not survive. It is despicable to see such commercialization of the tragedy.
I’ve never heard of that name before. Had to add him to the list of victims and people’s birthdays I do to commemorate the passengers and crew. It’s a lot of work big time but I want to put down their names. They deserve it.
I completely agree wholeheartedly agree, granted I’d say like models including the Lego set which I of course really plan to buy because I know it’s tacky but this set is like a one time thing Anyways I love this video
What's worse than commercialization? People thinking the Titanic wasn't a real ship, and calling people who correct them stupid. Like, mate, GO SEARCH UP VIDEOS OF THE TITANIC'S WRECK, did they just, put it up there for sh*ts and giggles? NO, THE THING SANK, AND NOW IT'S DOWN THERE.
i love the titanic, and her sisters. the class of ships were incredible for their time, i dont like the memes at all, but i do love listening to the engine sounds of those triple expansion engines and the fact that at her time her class was the largest to ever sail the seas, i think its wrong to make jokes about what happened and, romanticizing it isnt something we should be doing, but models and say teasets modelled after stuff on the titanic is pretty cool, if im a collector of ship memorabilia it allows me to display something from the ship, to talk about it with friends and such. her story is a tragic one but she really was a marvel of engineering for her time.
I stumbled upon this video in my main page and, while i don't know much about nautical stuff, i think the case of the titanic, at least in this context, is just a part of a much larger problem, i think when a tragedy happens, people usually have two reactions: either make a joke out of it or mourn the tragedy and those who died Take the Holocaust for example, there's people out there that don't think it's real or that it's some sort of conspiracy, but it all comes down to what you said in the video, a disconnection from the events that happened so many years ago People won't forget WW2 in a long time, but what about other events? The Holocaust? The Chinese civil war and the Kuomintang party? And It's not only old events but recent events too, like mass shootings happening on some countries, like the US, massacres and horrors perpetuated by drug cartels in Mexico, the repression that the venezuelan and cuban people experience with their respective governments, the wars in the middle east or armed conflicts in some African countries When people feel disconnected from tragedy, they won't cry or mourn, but laugh at it, as if it was something foreign that has no impact in their lives Call it racism, call it xenophobia, i think the human being has this inherent habit of making fun out of something it feels a disconnect from, like a tragedy
I have the exact same opinion honestly. I’m honoring titanic on the 15th to remember her sinking by drawing her. I can’t believe it’s been over 100 years. Really makes you miss the golden age of transportation. You know? When ocean liners and other vessel designs were actually attractive? And when architecture was actually GOOD!?!! Anyway, the titanic is another awful tragedy that killed multiple. And it should be respected for that. I feel the exact same way for any other maritime disaster, or any disaster in general with a loss of life. Tragedy, is something many don’t really understand. Especially when there is no one left to really tell the truth about what happened. Another thing too, the awful conspiracy theories that people find, and tell others. It spreads like a disease, and we all should remember titanic for what it really is. A tragedy. Forget about making awful conspiracy theories to spread lies, forget about making awful merchandise, remember what it is, and respect it.
One of the reason I love the movie Titanic is because I'm a history nerd and I've always wanted to know how life was in the past. Seeing Titanic's interior, especially the first-class dining room and the private rooms of the elite passengers make me happy. But you're right. Mocking and disrespecting historical event should be a crime.
@@khanhnguyentrieu1752 yep. the dining saloon in the film has carpet, lamps on all the tables, and also has the band playing during dinner, all of which is inaccurate and is meant to make it feel more “fancy”. and the “rooms of the elites” in the film are a lot larger than they were on the real ship, and the decor is often a bit inaccurate as well. basically, almost all the interiors in the film are exaggerated to one degree or another, because what else do you expect from Hollywood? ;)
Okay I chuckled at the Pocahontas remake joke. On a serious note that movie is just a remake on Pocahontas and Dances With Wolves only more pretentious and expensive.
There is a musical of the titanic, and it’s cheesy as hell. I remember thinking to myself “will there be 9/11 musicals in 100 years??” Either way, I’m glad to see others have made its comparison to other tragic events
Great video. If memory serves me, on the centennial anniversary of the sinking, there was a cruise ship gala right over the wreck site. Everyone dressed in period clothing of the Edwardian Era and had a great time. My only thought when I watched that news clip was 'this is the same as having a huge party right at Ground Zero on the anniversary of 9/11.' Blah.
Alright: I'll give you a pass on calling her the Clickbait. I get it. Frankly I should've known this is what you meant, so I guess I'm also a bit guilty of what Titanic and her story have become today despite my best efforts. The one thing worse than the tragedy is that it is no longer treated with the same amount of reverence and respect these days. No excuses for it either: we just need to straighten up a bit and work on that. My respect for you went up a thousand-fold. Happy Easter to you too my friend. 🤝 Anyway, potential Limperator video I see on the way? :D
I remember as a kid going to the maritime museum in liverpool, and the gift shop was mostly books, but the odd small gift item like stationery or whatever, but now it's just shit, so much shit.
i agree full hart with all of this thank you for putting it out there i myself am not happy to see people using everyone's favorite 4 funneled ship in such a bad way
As much as I love Historic Travels, doesn’t he also commercialize Titanic in his own gain as well ? For his store, his merch is filled with the silhouette that is based of the Titanic. and I think it’s rather obvious why he chose the silhouette of an Olympic class liner over other ships like QM…money and attraction His pateron rankings are based of Titanic officers ranking. Normally I would say officer rankings are rather general, but HT included the specific photos of Titanic’s officers for each ranking, and again, this would lead to more gain rather than just a plain title of “Chief officer”, “First officer”…etc. And in his Discord, members that boost his channel are able to get the “tag” of “The guarantee group” which is obvious something directly related to the Titanic herself. Instead of just giving related members a “server booster” tag, he had to rename the tag into something that is correlated Titanic in order to increase the incentive. Don’t get me wrong, I love HT, but if these so called “respected” TH-camrs are doing the same thing, I can’t really blame the others for doing the same commercialization for own profit and gain
I had this very very faint memory of seeing the Titanic blow up slide as a kid. It was at some carnival or something. I was probably like 3 or 4 at the time. When I found out it was real and I hadn’t made it up in my head, I had no words. 😂
At the same time maintaining a heightened sense of sensitivity about any and all tragedy is hardly useful either: to joke about tragedy is a way of coping with it, and the continual tragedy of life, for an awful lot of people anyway. We simply can't take everything seriously all the time, especially things that happened 110 years ago.
Great video! I did so many drawings of the titanic as a kid, I read so many books and I even remember crying about it too. I don’t know if it was empathy or just James horners soundtrack, maybe a bit of both.
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Hello there! This video is pretty important to me, I think jokes are one thing and humor is subjective, but commercializing a tragedy like this is unacceptable. I wanted to post this on the 15 because most of Titanic's sinking occurred then but I think it'd be wrong to post it on Good Friday. Happy Easter!
When I clicked on the video notification this was not what I was expecting. You did an excellent job and brought light to an important topic. Thanks for the great videos and information!
I still dont get why they think making cash of a horribly tragedy is ok i mean these were real people that were very effected by this so we should just stop making merch about this
There is a movie called Titanic 666 and it's the pinnacle of awful commercialization on the tragedy.
@@S.M.R I just looked it up and watched the trailer, that movie just seems really disrespectful. There’s also a film called Titanic 2000, which is a…porn film…set on the Titanic
@@cattanic494 WHAT DID YOU SAY???!!!😨 A PORN FILM???
The Cathedral in my home town is built with double the amount of steel necessary because the builders didn't trust the material as much after the Titanic sunk. There is so much more to this tragedy that simply isn't talked about. Good on you for speaking up about this!
That church is DEFINITELY going to be there for a while then lol
@@themac6356 Until it catches on fire and burns and it's just blamed on an "accident", A lot of churches mysteriously went up in flames in 2020-2021 unfortunately.
@@FrederickTheAnon14W its not a mystery there were some asshole arsonists. It happens sometimes. Sucks but it's not some spooooooky conspiracy.
@@FrederickTheAnon14W arson.
@@FrederickTheAnon14W If you refer to Notre Dame, well, I don't think anyone will going to commit arson on that even if they perpared to do so.
If it was churches in generals, debatable.
I’m glad someone is pointing this out, I always hated how commercialized the Titanic was
What I don't like is that there's this history channel in discord AND FUCKING PEOPLE WONT STOP POSTING TITANIC SHIT POSTS.
@@thefrunze.198 what is the server?
@@Ophhxiya Elite Studios server some Roblox server thing
@@thefrunze.198 ok thx
@@Ophhxiya also expect that there would be always sad shit in the history channel.
Thank you for saying this. I’m from Southampton, and Titanic always means a lot to us historically. Out of the 1,500 people, over 500 were crew members who were from my city. A lot of our citizens lost family members, or knew people who lost people. We have a huge engineers memorial in the middle of town to commemorate them.
For people nowadays to think of it as just a movie and for there to be fun merchandise and memes about it bothers me in ways I can’t describe. Not that we can’t make jokes, but the emotional disconnect feels gross, in the same way 9/11 jokes or Pearl Harbour jokes feel gross.
Agreed.
Agreed! I'm from the US, and i vividly remember 9/11. My parents have shared their stories about what their parents were doing, and how they felt, when Pearl Harbor happened. It affects everyone in one form or another, especially those who have direct connections to the disaster, like you for example. If those 2 events i mentioned were to be commercialized in any way.. omg the outrage would be massive! And i believe Titanic should have the same respect as any other event in history
There are some pretty funny 9/11 jokes though. It kinda reminds me of that tragedy...
Pearl Harbour is slowly becoming that way, isn't it?
9/11 will probably be the same way
9/11 and Pearl Harbor jokes are just dark humor.
In April of 2015, a channel called Elite Facts produced their first video being "12 Haunting Facts About Titanic". Which among other ridiculous statements said "Titanic was the last ship to be sunk by an iceberg". So I, a 14 year old passionate Titanic Fan created a comment in all caps exposing their lies. This in turn created a thread where Elite Facts actually pretended like they were right, and much backlash from my comment was made which lead through a line of toxicity and hypocrisy in it too. It eventually reached around 450 replies over 3 years, including a month long thread by two people smack talking each other. A good 100 or so comments were purged from it, but the thread still remains. Elite Facts is still making hot garbage to this day.
You had the right idea, you just didnt execute it very well in that comment section... mans made a total ass out of himself
but i still totally agree with what you said, and I have been thinking the same thing about Elite Facts for a while
as an aviation enthusiast, their "fact videos" are total trash filled with misinformation
@@Sticknubhe probably knows that nobody will even try to fact-check him, which is why he continues to make videos like that. Purely for monetization.
@@CPorter who gives a fuck lol
@@Sticknub same with rail enthusiasts like me. at least boats and planes garner some interest these days, trains it seems lack any substance whatsoever. so I expect any channel, that isnt train-centric, will get most "facts" wrong as well.
As a Ship's Nerd and somewhat historian i have only one thing to say: Thank you for this video from the bottom of my heart. For years i've been vocal about this issues. We don't do NOTHING compared to Titanic's commercialization. Even with events as fascinating that came prior to that we need to show respect and honor those whom lost their lives trying to save themseves and the others.
in my opinion the Titanic is like the Tyrannosaurus Rex of ships. No matter where you go, you'll hear about it.
@jdslyman The amount of videos on TH-cam that use Queen Mary as a “haunted ship challenge” is staggering. I mean, I wouldn’t mind it as much if they took the teaching opportunity they have with the audience they have, but none of them do
as a rail enthusiast of all things british , i'd say that the Titanic is the Flying Scotsman of ships
Very well said, the commercialization of the disaster has always irked me. Also, thank you for using my colorization in the video!
Any time, and it's unbelievably impressive! Where'd you learn?
Sorry for the super late reply lol, I actually am completely self taught. I use a mobile app called Ibispaint X, yes you read that right I do all my work on mobile, just goes to show you don't necessarily need good hardware for good work.
I once heard one of my classmates say “you can joke about the titanic, but 9/11 jokes are offensive”. I like to make jokes about disasters, sometimes things are too dark to take too seriously after they’ve happened, but even then, a level of respect for the events should be taken into consideration. If one tragedy is okay to joke about, so is the other.
With 9/11 at least most deaths were quick with only a few moments of terror. But imagine being in freezing cold water for 15 minutes or more slowly having your life taken away with the selfish people in lifeboats preferring to save their own lives over the lives of others
@@bigshipsexactly so I'd imagine it'd be the other way around, but NO! Why? Because the deaths of the many outweigh the deaths of the few
To me, it feels like it's a 100-year rule. That your aloud to joke a boot a tragedy if 100+ years have passed, but people from the Titanic, they died slowly, painfully, in the ice, poor b***ards, but in 9/11 a lot of the people died because they fell, which I'd personally rather die from fall damage than from cold damage
It's like Titanic was like 1912's 9/11
@@bigshipsthey weren't selfish, they either go back and get their boat swamped, killing everyone onboard and not saving anyone in the water, or at least try to save themselves.
Imagine it was you in that situation
Your classmate was absoludly right, a great example are the "my grandfather told them she would sink" and the pool joke. 9/11 has almost no jokes like those, the closest one is "my dad died that day, he was the pilot".
I understand where you’re coming from, but I don’t believe the 1997 movie was made purely for commercial profit. Certainly a lot of fat cat producers lived for it, but Cameron himself made the film because of his respect for the tragedy, and it shows in the end product. I watch this film every anniversary not because of a sick thrill or anything, I watch it out of respect for the victims of the tragedy. It’s quite beautiful. Sad that so many don’t see it like that.
I think the movie was repectable. It's the world of merch that it opened up, perhaps unintentionally. And I've been seeing Titanic jokes all week. Even someone trying to sell yarn with Titanic jokes.
He wasn’t too much talking about the movie. He was talking about the commercialization crap where they make and sell t shirts of Titanic sinking into the water.
5:53 My man, he literally says that he doesn't count the movie as the sick Commercialization he talks about. He only mentions that a few aspects are over exaggerated which is very fair to say and true imo.
Indeed. He made the film because he wanted to see the Wreck. Given the fact he went back to the wreck twice and made two documentaries on the subject shows he was far more interested in the ship and her history and not how much of a profit someone could make.
He didn't say Cameron's movie was purely for commercial profit
"Have you heard about this ocean liner from over a century ago ..."
"You mean the Titanic?"
"... that hit an iceberg near Newfoundland with over a thousand passengers on board ..."
"Everybody knows about the Titanic!"
"... and suffered a crushed bow, but was still able to complete her voyage to New York."
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The ship was the SS Kronprinz Wilhelm, and the date was July 8, 1907, five years before the sinking of the Titanic.
Just....*facepalm*.
@@ukaszwalczak1154 Think about it.
You are an engineer, working for Harland & Wolff back in 1908 as part of the design team for three new ships, ordered by the White Star Line.
Somebody says:
"Remeber that german passenger ship that hit a huge iceberg last year."
"But that happend in dense fog, The SS Krownprinz Wilhelm is half the size, they could close the doors of the watertight compartments in 30 seconds and there wasn't much damage to the hull anyway."
That ship is also a future video!
Ah yes, one of the Four Flyers! With as much respect and admiration I have for these legendary liners, I didn't know the *Kronprinz* had hit an iceberg within her lifetime! The more you know!
Overall I agree with this sentiment. The only pieces of Titanic "merchandise" I own and would care to own are things that try to be as accurate and honorable/respectful as possible. I'd say the merch that the THG crew does is among the best I've seen in that regard. I have some reproduction memorabilia of post cards, brochures, tickets, advert posters and other things of that sort that were period accurate that I think are pretty cool.
And I think models of the ship which act as a way to keep the ship alive as she was intended to be seen are crucially important as we get closer and closer to the wreck eventually decaying/collapsing and thus the actual Titanic will no longer physically exist within our lifetime. I'm currently building the official LEGO Titanic model that came out last year and I have to give credit for how respectful it and the designers were to the event. The model and the added tidbits of trivia in the instruction books are clearly meant to celebrate the ship itself and the marvel of engineering she was. I have not seen a single reference to the sinking itself, it's about Titanic the ship, not Titanic the tragedy.
I do understand Models, books, and the reproduction tickets, postcards, or even reproduction china, but the toys, goofy candles and clothing are a bit much.
When I went to the Titanic Museum in 2017, I was uncomfortable with how many people were taking pictures and smiling in them. I mean, I get it, it can be really exciting to see the old artifacts, to see living history right in front you, but it still felt...well wrong and rather distasteful. I even had a hard time picking something out in the gift shop because I wanted a memento to remember the trip, but I didn't want to be tacky (I ended up picking a small magnet with the White Star Line logo that is placed next to my Titanic books on my bookshelf). Being a Titanic enthusiast is rather tricky; the history of it is fascinating, but you HAVE to know when to rein in your excitement for the thing and to remember it IS a tragedy, not your own personal TV show that sells merch.
Huge upvote for everything you say in this video and honored to be included in such a great group of ocean liner channels!
My man 🤝
I remember with the first ever announcement of the Lego Titanic model, a lot of people complained they didn't include the iceberg.
I am glad that it was a celebration of the ship itself and her design rather than the tragedy.
Hol up-
Bruh people were talking on a youtube channel about including a proper breaking in half feature
that feature was to help with moving the model and it's not in half but thirds I own the set and it's literally just for convenience. Since they added the feature they might as well add visible interior for those sections.
GBM did a similar video on this comparing it to Costa Concardia and I cannot agree more with both of you guys. My senior project was on titanic and it's influence and the fact that 110 years later we still hear ships are "bigger than the Titanic" spoken as a selling point. Love the video my guy. I would love to see a reaction to Bright Side and their shit, but drawing attention to it probably makes it worse. Glad you said this though.
The only Bright Side videos I've ever watched and likely will ever watch was when they were discussing Titanic II, what would've been if Titanic never sank, and how/if we could raise the wreck. At least with those they did a decent enough job telling it as it is. Otherwise, they're straight garbage.
Bright Side is run by the same people behind the abysmal 5-Minute Crafts channel IIRC
As much as I am interested in the Titanic and I am glad that the ship has been memorialised for future generations, yes, I do feel that she and her sudden demise has been milked to certain dessication. We've had a gazillion documentaries and movies of varying quality, video games, songs, etc. but some of them have ultimately cheapened the disaster just as how some felt that Christmas has lost its meaning.
A 9/11 joke is distasteful as it's still in everyone's minds, yet even if you can get away with a Titanic joke, I highly doubt that it would be a great idea to cash in on the tragedy by making a cheap gag and profit from it either. Not to mention that some of the figures involved like Bruce Ismay have been way more vilified than necessary as if they were the devil incarnate or something. We've turned the whole ordeal of 1912 into a theme park attraction and that isn't good.
Just to point out Ismay being vilified isn’t a recent idea but the result of an organised campaign of character assassination that happened immediately after the sinking.
False claims were published constantly like him dressing up as a woman to get on a lifeboat to the infamous telling Captain Smith to go faster
Not everything was respectful of the tragedy back then, especially not the shameless tabloid press..
Makes you think what they’ll do to 9/11 in 100 years
Very well said! My only quibble would be that people did indeed rush to commercialize the sinking. A dramatized short film was released just a month after the sinking. In fact, there were three such movies produced in 1912. It seems like many people found them to be in poor taste, but those films ultimately sold really well at the box office. Sadly the urge to cash in on tragedy isn't a recent phenomenon.
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This cannot be more true. If you go and search up "Titanic" in the search bar on TH-cam, most of the videos that you will see are videos with thumbnails or titles like "5 MYTHS ABOUT THE TITANIC DEBUNKED" with the first "myth" being the coal fire theory being "true". Then if you go down more you see people basically masturbating to Jack and Rose, then if you go down more you will see people inaccurately destroying Titanic in games. Only about 1% of the videos will be accurate to history. Just goes to show how badly we treat Titanic nowadays.
The worst thing is bright side existing.
"His 2010 'Pocahontas' remake."
I've thought about this for about as long as I've been into naval history. You really hit the topic out of the park.
Especially seeing the blow up Titanic slide is a big Yikes.
This is a great video, as a bit of a youngster myself I haven’t really thought of the titanic as a similar disaster to 9/11, because 9/11 is still in the living memory, and it really does mean a lot that you have tried to make this issue heard, because this issue means a lot, you changed my perspective on the matter, and I think that this issue needs to be heard even by even more than just me!
Finally someone said it. It’s gross the shit people have done with this ship knowing full well that 1,496 people died and 700+ survivors more than likely suffered trauma.
The almighty dollar is too tempting for those clickbaiters
It's easy to not realize that after Titanic went under, the sound of the people in the water was similar to that of a small stadium. That's how many people there were. Utterly terrifying to hear from a lifeboat. Historical disconnect is a real thing. I shudder to imagine a day when there is an "I'd Hit That" T-shirt with a 767 and a skyscraper. But, I'm sure that day will come.
If the Titanic is ad friendly years ago, then imagine 9/11 in 30 years
i can imagine my kid being like "daddy i wanna go to the 9/11 store!!"
God I was thinking the same thing
"introducing the 9/11 playset!"
Jesus those quotes really showed me how terrifying it was, it’s so romanticised these days, the deaths of near a thousand people.
It’s almost sickening
I love gore
It’s mostly the men who died.
Personally, Titanic gives me a strange sense of longing; of longing to be there, to see it, to experience it. Not the tragedy, of course, this feeling is almost removed that from that. Almost. Having a passionate obsession for something involved in a tragic event can make you forget about how awful it really was. With Titanic, I think the obsession and passion actually ties into how awful it was. We can't comfort and empathize with the survivors directly because they're gone. The next best thing to fill that void in our hearts is a bittersweet longing for what the ship was like April 13th and prior. The beauty and glory and power and hope Cameron's film beautifully shows. We want to know everything about that ship in its brief heyday because we wish it was like that forever. We wish the passengers had experienced it that way and lived. Then greedy bastards come in with snow globes and candles, preying on societies new understanding of connecting with the tragedy. I firmly believe Cameron's film is one of, if not the greatest production of all time and perfectly captures this longing, bittersweet feeling that comes with Titanic today. It's a shame that reaching that meant Titanic firmly being a cash cow for the insensitive.
It's always boggled me how marketers have been able to get away with this when you just _know_ that if they did this for the Hindenburg, the Holocaust, or 9/11, the fallout would be *astonishing.*
On a side-note, my great-great grandmother on my mom's side was actually meant to go on the Titanic, but her taxi got into an accident on the way to the harbor, so while she did survive the crash, she never made it on the voyage.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki was funny.
As much as I hate to say it, this is human nature: make money out of everything one can. I went down to the site of the World Trade Center (I had been on the Observation area on the roof way back in '79 or '80. Still have the photos). This was when the remains had been cleared out, but the new tower not yet started. The perimeter was fenced off, and covered with tarps so you couldn't see in. But, surrounding that perimeter (and even for a block or 2 outside it), were tables set up with various sellers hawking crystal WTC's, T-shirts, baseball caps and the like. This was only a couple of years later. I found it repugnant (I think, however, I DID buy 1 or 2 items; I also realized that these might have been people with low income, who were trying to make a buck for their families. In this case, I guess I was as bad as anybody. At least they were small, inexpensive items).
The point being, no matter how tragic a catastrophe is, someone will find a way to commercialize and make money off of it. Even off an event that happened only 2 or 3 years before with twice TITANIC's death toll. Everything today is about the money, especially for an event that occurred a century + ago where there is no one left alive that experienced it. I'm sure there are gift shops at Gettysburg and the Little Big Horn. Come buy an authentic replica arrow tip! Nothing is sacred from commercialization.
(BTW, I bought a LUSITANIA T-shirt WAY back in the '80's. Think it was at one of the conventions. I went to the '87 THS one, and a couple of TI ones in the early '90's. Still have it, unworn, in one of the drawers somewhere).
Not to mention that unlike the _Titanic,_ the deaths during the September 11th Attacks were *definitely* intended.
I have always loved old technology and old things in general, and I especially love not only Titanic, but all the ships at the time and how they worked. Titanic was a major part into why I got into mechanics and engineering because I just always was fascinated on how its engines worked. And how all machines at the time worked, that mixed in with my love of old fashioned things and music really went well. Because of Titanic I have learned so much about shipping, history, and the world from those times as well.
Top quality content. Well-spoken and you shined a light on something that most people never even think about. Thank you for doing this.
5:43 Oof, I used to watch RedHatter when I was about eleven years old, maybe. Just during their peak popularity with the GTAV FNaF Titanic series. I had just fallen into the massive rabbit hole that was Titanic history and ocean liners as a whole, and naturally, seeing Titanic herself alongside an assortment of FNaF characters caught my little kid eye.
Even then, however, I could feel something a tad wrong with making such a horrible event into a 20 minute goofy GTA mod gameplay video.
Well done on this vid, though, speaks about an issue that really does need some attending to! I enjoyed it a lot.
Gta v fnaf Titanic? Wait... that slide was real??
@@severium8057 Yup, those videos were made around the 2017-2018 era, if I remember correctly.
@@Gapsx1eGewehr Hah! Wild, thank you for that tidbit of knowledge
@@severium8057 Yeah lol, no problem!
“GTA V” “FNAF” and “Titanic” should not belong in the same sentence, imo.
I understand this a serious subject, and another channel (Ask A Mortician) has also touched on the issue that is capitalization and monetization of tragedy but holy hell:
"Until his 2010 Pocahontas remake" line had me rolling. Excellent work as always!
I got to say this is pretty much what is happening yes. You explained it all very well
This always bothered me as someone who's always been interested in the disaster since childhood. Great video! Earned a new subscriber.
Thank you for this, I’m really glad to see someone talking about this.
God this is depressingly true. I'm working on a project about the Eastland disaster which is partially connected to Titanic and there's this disconnect of indifference and ignorance that just hurts after reading survivor accounts.
Makes me wonder if the same thing is gonna happen to 9/11 by the 2100s, because by then most people won't have any emotional connection to it.
I was interested in the Titanic as a kid and was lucky enough to meet Dr Ballard and that fueled my love for the history even more. Went to the titanic museum when it came here probably three times and picked up a board game about the titanic. That was a little commercial but I think the Titanic board game was also good for kids to have them think more about it and enjoy learning on the history of it more. The game was about getting from steerage to a lifeboat traveling through the second class, first class, and dining section before getting out on the deck and to a lifeboat. With needing to get your passport, medical check, and some other documents before you could leave steerage. It was an interesting thing and I’m a little mixed on it but for kids I think it was a good thing and mixed in a lot of history into the gameplay.
It always pisses me off when bright side or some other click bait youtubers make up stories and pass off rumors as fact about the Titanic, i just hope one day there would be no more clickbait videos about Titanic.
Yeahhhh.... That's not gonna happen.
"Titanic Swim Team"? Unbelievable. There's a T shirt you can get in Belfast that's a little bit more tasteful. It says "Titanic: it was fine when it left here".
I think after a while, it gets to a critical point where its been long enough that people just kinda forget about its historical significance. its like the "22.3 years" rule that south park came up with, where you're only allowed to make fun of a tragedy at least 22.3 years after it happened
I feel like making 9/11 jokes is not offensive if they’re directed at the terrorists
Good video and great points. The Titanic is one of the most discussed subjects in history, behind Jesus Christ and the American Civil War. When the ‘97 movie came out, they sold everything from T shirts to salt and pepper shakers. It was a little disappointing after awhile. There were liners that followed that were just as grand and beautiful as Titanic, particularly the Normandie. Great video!
Well put. I (1949 vintage) have always been a bit of a Titanic “nerd”, even more so since Ballard’s re-discovery. The highlight of my Titanic life though was in 1997 taking my father-in-law(born 1905 Cape Breton Island, Nova Scotia, Canada) to see Cameron’s epic. He was mesmerized. It was a significant event in his life - Halifax NS was the centre of recovery operations - and he had spent some of his younger days at sea in the North Atlantic.
Sorry for a potentially odd question, but did your father-in-law ever see Olympic in person? Iirc she operated out of Halifax for the second half of WW1.
Honestly half the titanic commercialisation is probably from the fact they were desperate to convince people to visit Belfast.
Stay at the worlds most bombed hotel wasn’t really a great selling point either. Then when the Europa lost that title to the Baghdad Hilton, Titanic was all they had until Game of Thrones came to town.
When they make those type of clickbaits and other senseless stuff it's just a insult to the ship and people we lost that night. Great video bro 😀
I'm actually from Liverpool, the city named on Titanic, Olympic, Britannic and many other ships stern. We have a maritime museum which for the 100th anniversary opened a Titanic exhibit, which was extremely interesting. Luckily they don't overcommercialise it too much there.
Yeah because on Britain and Ireland we still respect those lost unlike the yanks
Great tragedy of the commercialisation is the fact that a large piece of the wreck now sits in a casino in Las Vegas rather than a museum or memorial.
Titanic went from unsinkable to the unthinkable.
What a shift in tone, having just watched a string of your funnier videos. I appreciate the respect and reverence you hold, and indeed your observations are sadly true. Thank you for the content you create; I'm so eager to see what else you release!
Things like shirts that read "Titanic Swim Team" are pretty insulting to the dead, even though those people who died over 100 years ago
ah yes, the “Titanic Swim Team”
Where each class is held in pools with 28-degree-Fahrenheit water and last about ~10 minutes or so.
I can’t think of *any* issues with THAT idea! :)
Yes, thank you!!! I work for a pretty big TH-cam channel and it's so fucking annoying to me when they give me scripts about Titanic because it's "trendy". Like, they want me to give some conspiracy theories, clickbait titles and shit, and it always bugs me the wrong way. Imagine if they did something like this with 9/11 or something. It's ok to make videos about the tragedy, but there are like 30 of them on this channel! I'm so pissed. Thank you for bringing this up.
Which channel would that be, if you don’t mind me asking?
I’m so happy someone called it out, like I swear I saw so many TH-cam videos that are clickbait saying “rare footage of titanic found in ocean” and it plays a 4K reenactment of it.
You have a talent for making Great videos. It keeps interest and humanizes people from the past while giving a good laugh that makes you remember the information without coming off as forced. So I just learned about this ship and I think you could do the topic justice. Its the wreck of the ss richard montgomery, a liberty ship from ww2 that sank in the thames carrying 14,000 tons of bombs and other explosives.... and it's still there... fully loaded... dead smack in the center of the thames as the mouth of the channel surrounded by London. Apparently they are taking the "just don't think about it too hard" approach.
This is all true. The Titanic was one of the most horrible disasters in human history. Truley a disaster that killed over a thousand lives and ruined thousands more.
I kinda want that Hawaiian shirt though.
Originally I made a jokey comment before watching it, but yea. Its not something I ever thought of so much, but I couldn't argue that you bring up very valid points. Also those teeshirts
Holy crap
when i think of the disaster and watch the movies i cant help but cry , not just because of the loss of a beautfil ship , but the human aspect of the tragedy as well , Captain Smith and Thomas andrews as well as many others are people i respect and even mourn for despite not being my relatives at all , i dont mind the commecelisation as long as it not dumb i mean models and recreations of areas of the ship or even replicas of artifacts heck even a Titanic in a bottle i dont mine these , but things as dumb as a scented candle is enfuriating , i see recreations of the ship and they are executed so beautifuly i even shed tears because of the immersion , overall i believe i have a strange connection to this ship as it also set me to becoming a man similar to Captain Smith , a modern commodore a man people want to sail with . Thank you for reading if you did.
Got recommended this video after visiting the titanic museum in Branson Missouri
Thank you for this video. My great, great aunt and uncle died on the titanic and I can only imagine what it must have been like for my family at that time. I find the commercialisation of that fateful journey extremely distasteful considering what my family must have gone through.
In one of Bright Side's recent videos, they put the bear from Five Nights at Freddy on THE TITANIC. I'm not even joking, they're seriously so up their ass about this shit.
We had one of those inflatable Titanic slides at our local carnival. Hate to admit it, but it was fun as hell.
I'm surprised you didn't mention recovered items sold at auction! That is the one thing I find absolutely despicable!
I hate to say it but commercialization happened quickly afterward. The films "I Survived the Titanic," "In Night and Ice" and "The Obsession" were all made within months of the tragedy.
At least, both were respectful towards the tradgedy.
Pochahontas joke was a great start.
"until he made his 2010 Pocahontas remake" LMFAOOOOOO
Another good titanic film is a night to remember and great video
Surprised titanic 666 wasn’t mentioned, that was the definition of a cash-grab
I’m very glad someone finally touched this topic. My distant ancestor, Patrick Fox, was aboard in steerage and sadly did not survive. It is despicable to see such commercialization of the tragedy.
He has ads enabled on this video
@@thecornfieldiii2069 I actually did just get an ad when clicking to reply to you. The irony!
@@BeatriceFlowers oh wow. Didn’t realize they did that!
I’ve never heard of that name before. Had to add him to the list of victims and people’s birthdays I do to commemorate the passengers and crew. It’s a lot of work big time but I want to put down their names. They deserve it.
I completely agree wholeheartedly agree, granted I’d say like models including the Lego set which I of course really plan to buy because I know it’s tacky but this set is like a one time thing
Anyways I love this video
I can’t wait till 2101 when I can buy Twin Tower miniatures
I have to agree completely about commercialisation it is a horrid thing.
Spent most of my life in Halifax and the amount of people who’d come to see that Jack Dawson headstone was astounding.
Heck, even today there are people who think that Jack and Rose were real people
What's worse than commercialization? People thinking the Titanic wasn't a real ship, and calling people who correct them stupid. Like, mate, GO SEARCH UP VIDEOS OF THE TITANIC'S WRECK, did they just, put it up there for sh*ts and giggles? NO, THE THING SANK, AND NOW IT'S DOWN THERE.
i love the titanic, and her sisters. the class of ships were incredible for their time, i dont like the memes at all, but i do love listening to the engine sounds of those triple expansion engines and the fact that at her time her class was the largest to ever sail the seas, i think its wrong to make jokes about what happened and, romanticizing it isnt something we should be doing, but models and say teasets modelled after stuff on the titanic is pretty cool, if im a collector of ship memorabilia it allows me to display something from the ship, to talk about it with friends and such. her story is a tragic one but she really was a marvel of engineering for her time.
I legit thought you called her RMS clickbait because she was called the unsinkable ship but then she sank '-'
this is really true but the sad part is that most ship poeple started with titanic and its been 110 years the day she hit the iceberg.
The Lego Island music really brings this all together.
I stumbled upon this video in my main page and, while i don't know much about nautical stuff, i think the case of the titanic, at least in this context, is just a part of a much larger problem, i think when a tragedy happens, people usually have two reactions: either make a joke out of it or mourn the tragedy and those who died
Take the Holocaust for example, there's people out there that don't think it's real or that it's some sort of conspiracy, but it all comes down to what you said in the video, a disconnection from the events that happened so many years ago
People won't forget WW2 in a long time, but what about other events? The Holocaust? The Chinese civil war and the Kuomintang party? And It's not only old events but recent events too, like mass shootings happening on some countries, like the US, massacres and horrors perpetuated by drug cartels in Mexico, the repression that the venezuelan and cuban people experience with their respective governments, the wars in the middle east or armed conflicts in some African countries
When people feel disconnected from tragedy, they won't cry or mourn, but laugh at it, as if it was something foreign that has no impact in their lives
Call it racism, call it xenophobia, i think the human being has this inherent habit of making fun out of something it feels a disconnect from, like a tragedy
I have the exact same opinion honestly. I’m honoring titanic on the 15th to remember her sinking by drawing her. I can’t believe it’s been over 100 years. Really makes you miss the golden age of transportation. You know? When ocean liners and other vessel designs were actually attractive? And when architecture was actually GOOD!?!! Anyway, the titanic is another awful tragedy that killed multiple. And it should be respected for that. I feel the exact same way for any other maritime disaster, or any disaster in general with a loss of life. Tragedy, is something many don’t really understand. Especially when there is no one left to really tell the truth about what happened. Another thing too, the awful conspiracy theories that people find, and tell others. It spreads like a disease, and we all should remember titanic for what it really is. A tragedy. Forget about making awful conspiracy theories to spread lies, forget about making awful merchandise, remember what it is, and respect it.
It’s weird to think that other modern tragedies will be commercialized as well, most likely within our lifetime
In full honesty I think this is the time I finnaly reilzed it thank you for I think the phrase is opening my eyes
Im always so facinated with ship historians, you people get so focused on the tiny details.
you should join us someday :)
@@DerpyPossum Love to but I am more of military historu type of guy.
One of the reason I love the movie Titanic is because I'm a history nerd and I've always wanted to know how life was in the past. Seeing Titanic's interior, especially the first-class dining room and the private rooms of the elite passengers make me happy. But you're right. Mocking and disrespecting historical event should be a crime.
ironically, the spaced you stated (the dining saloon and the rooms of the “elites”) are actually quite misrepresented in the film
@@DerpyPossum wait, really? I never know that.
@@khanhnguyentrieu1752 yep.
the dining saloon in the film has carpet, lamps on all the tables, and also has the band playing during dinner, all of which is inaccurate and is meant to make it feel more “fancy”.
and the “rooms of the elites” in the film are a lot larger than they were on the real ship, and the decor is often a bit inaccurate as well.
basically, almost all the interiors in the film are exaggerated to one degree or another, because what else do you expect from Hollywood? ;)
"About this time, people began jumping from the…" sounds eerily familiar to me but to each their own
*Cough* 9/11 *cough*
Okay I chuckled at the Pocahontas remake joke. On a serious note that movie is just a remake on Pocahontas and Dances With Wolves only more pretentious and expensive.
There is a musical of the titanic, and it’s cheesy as hell. I remember thinking to myself “will there be 9/11 musicals in 100 years??” Either way, I’m glad to see others have made its comparison to other tragic events
What was it called?
@@TitanXecutor it was a 1997 musical, don’t know what it was calle
Great video. If memory serves me, on the centennial anniversary of the sinking, there was a cruise ship gala right over the wreck site. Everyone dressed in period clothing of the Edwardian Era and had a great time. My only thought when I watched that news clip was 'this is the same as having a huge party right at Ground Zero on the anniversary of 9/11.' Blah.
Maybe on the 100th anniversary of 9/11 they have one, they were celebrating the ship and trying to recreate the atmosphere of the time period
I agree wholeheartedly with your statement. Every time someone tries to commercialise or claim hoaxes, I'm like "people died ffs"
Well people died in world wars, people from both sides died in the ongoing Ukrainian conflict, yet people on internet meme about it.
Alright: I'll give you a pass on calling her the Clickbait. I get it. Frankly I should've known this is what you meant, so I guess I'm also a bit guilty of what Titanic and her story have become today despite my best efforts. The one thing worse than the tragedy is that it is no longer treated with the same amount of reverence and respect these days. No excuses for it either: we just need to straighten up a bit and work on that. My respect for you went up a thousand-fold. Happy Easter to you too my friend. 🤝
Anyway, potential Limperator video I see on the way? :D
I got lots of ideas for her……stay tuned….
I remember as a kid going to the maritime museum in liverpool, and the gift shop was mostly books, but the odd small gift item like stationery or whatever, but now it's just shit, so much shit.
i agree full hart with all of this thank you for putting it out there i myself am not happy to see people using everyone's favorite 4 funneled ship in such a bad way
It’s kinda like Pearl Harbor, but that plunged us into a war.
We kind of have a SOMEWHAT similar thing here in Michigan with the Edmund Fitzgerald.
As much as I love Historic Travels, doesn’t he also commercialize Titanic in his own gain as well ?
For his store, his merch is filled with the silhouette that is based of the Titanic. and I think it’s rather obvious why he chose the silhouette of an Olympic class liner over other ships like QM…money and attraction
His pateron rankings are based of Titanic officers ranking. Normally I would say officer rankings are rather general, but HT included the specific photos of Titanic’s officers for each ranking, and again, this would lead to more gain rather than just a plain title of “Chief officer”, “First officer”…etc.
And in his Discord, members that boost his channel are able to get the “tag” of “The guarantee group” which is obvious something directly related to the Titanic herself. Instead of just giving related members a “server booster” tag, he had to rename the tag into something that is correlated Titanic in order to increase the incentive.
Don’t get me wrong, I love HT, but if these so called “respected” TH-camrs are doing the same thing, I can’t really blame the others for doing the same commercialization for own profit and gain
I had this very very faint memory of seeing the Titanic blow up slide as a kid. It was at some carnival or something. I was probably like 3 or 4 at the time. When I found out it was real and I hadn’t made it up in my head, I had no words. 😂
What's the problem with my 9/11 mug? It matches my twin towers t-shirt! It even has an airplane on the back.
At the same time maintaining a heightened sense of sensitivity about any and all tragedy is hardly useful either: to joke about tragedy is a way of coping with it, and the continual tragedy of life, for an awful lot of people anyway. We simply can't take everything seriously all the time, especially things that happened 110 years ago.
I wish the RMS Olympic was more talked about in media. Same with the Lusitania, Mauretania and Britannic.
Great video! I did so many drawings of the titanic as a kid, I read so many books and I even remember crying about it too. I don’t know if it was empathy or just James horners soundtrack, maybe a bit of both.