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- That would be perfect for those who suffer from stress and anxiety, heal depression, insomnia, eliminate suicidal thoughts, delusions, hallucinations, melancholy, and obsessions. This is how, in the nineteen thirties, American newspapers advertised not camomile tea or sessions with a psychologist but “an ice pick” put in your head. Or, in other words, a lobotomy.
Egas Moniz "the father" of lobotomy, was awarded the Nobel Prize for inventing this barbaric surgery. But what if the award was well deserved?
In this video, I’ll tell you: how did a lobotomy replace an enema in treating stomach disorders? Does the ice pick in the skull affect a person’s character? And most importantly could people be wrong in banning lobotomy?
So, in short, all Lobotomy did was reducing aggressive yelling mental patients into quite vegetable-like patients. Much easier to handle, but not cured at all.
So in short, the same as most antipsychotics but rather than* using biochemical stimulation to emulate unnatural brain activity, physical damage was used instead.
True man . It's true even todate capitalists dont want emotional humans they want vegetables
@@funjoyknowledge3304 there is nothing about capitalisme, just about not making people suffer uselessly. A psycho will hurt himself if not other people, is he is sleeping with medication its better for everyone, until we find a real way to heal them.
@@funjoyknowledge3304 so do communists.
Basically similar to taking a baseball bat to someone's head until they aren't moving anymore. Kinda not medical in the least lmao
It's disgusting how simply being related to someone could give you the authority to lobotomize them.
Agreed. I mean look at the Kennedy's, they did that to one of their own.
@@reidecember5372 A person could see what happened to them as karma - at least karma for Joe Kennedy anyways, that prick was evil incarnate, at least the British royal family just hid their embarrassments from sight like poor Prince John rather than labotomising them.
It was pretty bad, someone in your family could just not like you, or get mad at you for anything and they could have you locked up in a mental institution (mainly father, mother, husband, or even a brother) No one tested you to make sure you actually needed any treatment at all, never mind being institutionalized for the rest of your life. A husband could just be tired of his wife and have her put away with a few lies no one bothered to verify.
whats more disgusting is how the intellectual arrogance of the psychologists and doctors enabled this kind of monstrosity... but then they were also many of the same people who created the ideas that would go on to inspire the nazi final solution...
@@andrewhinson4323 The people who pushed for lobotomies weren't actually experts in the field. They were showmens. They were NOT intellectuals. Not like what you're complaining about.
I read that Rose Kennedy was lobotomized because as she grew older like most young women she was curious about men, wanted to date and socialize as her sisters did. Worried that she would cause a family scandal and ruin the families political aspirations her parents chose to have her "spayed" so she would behave. Nothing I read ever said she was violent. I think that was the story her parents told to keep the public from knowing that the Kennedys sacrificed one of their daughters to benefit their sons.
It was not the parents decision, it was solely the father's. Joseph Kennedy did it behind his wife's back, the poor woman found out what happened to her daughter when it was to late. :(
@@zwischenburkaundbikini2418Oh please, while I agree that most end up being completely changed, it's also mostly truth that most of the lobotomies ended with the women never recalling their past lives. So, it's most likely that Rose Kennedy didn't remember any of her siblings or her father. There's a lot of weird happenings in that family and honestly, in some ways, maybe that's the Kennedy curse start when he chose to sacrifice her for the family's sake. Hmm. Never thought about it like that before. While they were all chasing politics, she was locked up and forgotten about in that family. And maybe it's true that she never truly even remembered her family.
Ohh man!! I really used to admire the Kennedy family. My Mom told me about how she cried a lot after hearing of the death of former President J.F.K. via her transistor radio.
Gee, I wonder if she has any idea what any male members of the Kennedy family were truly like, behind their closed doors...?
@@zwischenburkaundbikini2418thats actually been proven to not be true, she signed the paperwork and was there when it happened
True! JFK Had a doctor fallow him every where he went giving him hourly Injections of Cortisol.
JFK also took high doses of ADDERALL Because he needed stabilized Moods. He was an ADDISON'S DISEASE Patient . JFK Allmost Got America Nuked by the Russion brocade off the coast of Florida.
My aunt was given a lobotomy... She never reached learning past a certain age (12 I think), was gang raped (in her teens) and ran off with a man (who basically kidnapped her and got her pregnant, again while in her teens). So they gave her a lobotomy. She was not better for it. In fact she soon became a ward of the state and was put on so so many medications. Brakes my heart because I know a better person is inside and can't get out.
what
@@BruhLordRBLXBruh.
@@BruhLordRBLX useless reaction to a heavy personal story
that last line is so true.
Utterly heartbreaking
I feel really bad for Howard and rosemary. They both ended up in terrible conditions. Actually, I feel bad for all lobotomy patients. I’m glad that surgery was banned.
Bro me too that shit looks scary and they didn’t deserve that man I mean Howard lost his mother it could make you sad and get angry sometimes he just needed people or friends and Rosemary aw man 😢
It maybe banned in the US but it's not everywhere.
An icepick to the brain? I would hardly call this a "surgery". I'm just going to call it an "assault". Yes I feel bad for all those who were the victim of this legalized assault in america.
Well it was good for the really mentally ill people
Not banned, just highly regulated now. It's ab actual procedure used in some extreme cases of epilepsy. Also used for certain types of tumor removal.
It's disturbing to know that if I were dealing with my current mental illnesses just a few decades earlier, I would have likely been lobotomized.
So would most teenage girls and then the unhappy wives would get it once hubby had enough.
@@renees1021 A TUNA CASSEROLE? THAT'S IT
Honestly considering how "weird" I was seen as, I wouldnt be surprised if i got lobotomized had the procedure not been banned.
same. scary as hell
@@triliner254 Is this Joe Biden..?
I think what makes lobotomy much more horrible than any other widely spread medical procedure, is that it simply alters who you are completely.
When asked "who are you" or "how would you define yourself", one rarely starts listing of their physical traits and more often than not starts to describe their personality. Their interests, beliefs and aspirations.
I firmly believe that these are the things that actually make you, well, "you".
It is an absolutely terrifying thought that someone might completely alter this and in a sence kill what you consider to be "you", and that they could do this legally and maybe even justifying it all by thinking they were helping you..
Its the death of that person in every way but the body. Much worse than murder because you not only kill what that person was but also make a caricature of them. Crazy to think that this was legal, nothing of this was done to the benefit the patient. I fascinates people because its so evil.
By the way anti-depressants do the same thing in a way wich is why they are so controversial
yes it is possibly one of the worst things you can do to someone, but if you look at the abrahamic religions you can see how the savages justified it to themselves. the biblical 'good' end, heaven, leaves you a shell of the person you once were and they consider that to be a good thing.
@@comyuse9103 justified what to themselves? and how does believing in heaven leave a shell of yourself?
@@JediWebSurf heaven is literally about leaving everything that makes you you so you can worship an unjust god for eternity. you desires? your free will? they literally cannot exist in heaven, otherwise sin would be there and you would want to do something better with your time.
Not only is lobotomy a frightening surgery that basically castrates a person’s nervous system, but it was used many times on mentally ill people who needed real help, but they didn’t know how else to treat them. I’m glad we’ve come a long way with medicine, especially with mental illnesses. But who knows just how many brilliant yet troubled people have been affected by this procedure.
instead of a lobotomy, we give them twitter and starring roles on television and movies.
why has it come a long way and why is it different or good
@@poopyanalbumholetf do you mean, man?
I suffer epilepsy and, besides medication, lobotomies are sometimes offered. The neurologists can narrow down the troubled part of the mind where the siezure stems from.... But they still end up removing that entire portion of the mind! My family and I investigated the possibility but discovered through testing that the procedure would have messed up too many of my other abilities to make it seem allowable. Now we control my seizures with advanced medications and I have been safe for over 20 years.
There's a lot of stuff coming out therapy wise for epilepsy, this may sound taboo but there's research showing low dose psilocybin (low enough where there's no trip) has been used successfully in treating epilepsy.
Has cbd ever helped
Stay safe brother 😘
@@calebmeyerrr9937 Never have tried.... Fortunately, I have been 'cured' with the new prescription meds. 🙂
The government would be respected if they respected the wishes of humanity !
Rosemary Kennedy’s lobotomy story is awful. In the middle of her lobotomy, the doctor asked her to sing as part of the test. One wrong move, she stopped singing and her dad shipped her off to a mental institution to hide her from public eye. The rest of her family didn’t even know what had happened to her because the father did all this, including the lobotomy, in secret.
that's messed up
Joe Kennedy was a sociopath like many of his descendants...
@@barneyronnie back then anybody with money or clout tried to hide anybody in their family that was less than 100% perfect
He is surely burning in hell right now, or at least I hope so.
Wow.. Thats awful.. So sorry for Rosemary
My grandfather took my grandmother in for a lobotomy. She lived but many did not. The doctor was banned from practicing medicine. She still sobbed most of the time when she was not asleep. I feel so sorry for her because they did not have medication for depression during that time. RIP Grandma.
I don't condone hurting your elders or disrespecting them in any way, but a lot of those who "took" their other half or their sibling or a child, namely a daughter, to get a lobotomy deserved a kick in the nuts. And more.
She is in peace now.
A truly disgusting practice that honestly still isn’t talked about enough. The abuse and terror mental health patients endured is insane.
I'm not usually bothered by things, but the lobotomy really gets under my skin. A lot of people were in fact still conscious while undergoing the procedure.
In Denmark, the last lobotomy was performed in 1987. My mom was 24 at the time, and the thought that she, statistically speaking, could have had a lobotomy, is disturbing.
I think they were conscious. I don’t think all were anesthetized or asleep..
@@sallymj8957 you are not put to sleep electricity is run through you for a few min. then they do the proceedure. Its in humane. I had quite a number of shock treatments when i was young its horrible and even today alot of my past memory is gone. These old methods should never be repeated and the man got the pulitzer prize for this should be ashamed as well as the people who voted for him to receive it. They are going over it as they now realize this was inhumane and hopefully he looses his standing. The mental health folks back in the day did this for money and recognition not for the health of another. Today im doing quite well, away from the family that i thought loved me but in the end didnt. My heart and love goes out to these young people whom went through this.. The Kennedys were an aweful family .and i often wonder do we really pay for the sins of our fathers. For every young girl whom has had this done my heart loves you and im a grown woman now and i would never want this for anyone. Thanks for reading. Im using my hubbies computer :)
its a horrid thing to happen to someone
I don't understand how someone could or would be conscious for that. I imagine that they would be screaming in pain and definitely trying to leave
@@palestar828 of course they were but ... Honestly I don't think these people were doctors at all just truly sick people hurting others
Throughout history, the Nobel Prize has had the worst judgement calls for who deserved their prize.
Obama got the Nobel peace prize while destabilizing the entire middle east, Libya, Syria, Egypt which lead to the formation of ISIS and ISIL, dropping so many bombs the US ran out, started a proxy war with Russia in Syria, Bombed a doctors without borders hospital in Africa... and so many more horrible things.
Amen
Right!...Henry Kissinger... Yassir Arafat... hmmmm some murders on the list
Let's all root for Jack Vale, inventor of The Pooter!!!
It just tells you that the biggest positive impact on the world are made by assholes that you would murder if you knew them personally.
My grandfather I was named after was a war veteran with severe PTSD. This treatment was suggested for him and he researched it and begged them not to do it as he knew they didn't know what they were doing. He was taken against his will and this was done to him. He lived out his last days in a vegetative state.
Was he in a vegetative state immediately after the lobotomy?
its scary to think that as someone whos neurodivergent, i would most likely have gotten a lobotomy at a really young age if i lived back then
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I was placed in an adolescent unit for school phobia at the age of 13. It was like being in an open prison. My belongings were searched when I arrived, and I was regularly forced to take high doses of medication that knocked me out. If I'd been born 10 years earlier I've no doubt that I could have been subjected to a lobotomy. Young people in these places have no human rights whatsoever.
What's bad is it's still not much better in some places
In one facility, their computers went down, and I was denied medication as were Everyone else on the unit. I was there voluntarily but I had a seizure,which as frightening because I knew it was coming. They finally overrode the system to give me medication, but for hours all evening and until the next morning it was bad. People became violent and were restrained when they normally would be given their meds! In second s the place went from 2019 to 1950.
School phobia? Didn’t know there was such a thing until now.
I’ve read about it and I’m pretty convinced I’ve had it before.
There was a period in my life, where I was faking being sick (not always but I’ve done it way too often).
I probably did it like once a week at least, ESPECIALLY on days where I had PE.
Now I have been diagnosed with social anxiety and generalized anxiety, so the whole school thing might’ve been one of the reasons as to why I developed those disorders.
They never treated me like that though… I just get anti-depressant’s for my anxiety and I’ll be going to a special school where they know how to handle kids with anxiety, adhd, autism, Etc.
It disturbs me to know that some people get treated like prisoners bc of something like that… Hope your doing good now though.
Whats school phobia? I think everyone hates school
@@NightinGal89 It's an extreme aversion to going to school.
The fact that women were lobotomized *WAY* more than men says a lot about what this surgery was really all about.
Imagine if we still did this for the women that are WAY more out of control than the men. Bring back the lobotomy!
Good point. A truly disgusting practice, nothing more than torture.
That women tend to be more emotional?
@@krispynachos9980 misogyny but ight man whatever u wanna think
Women are cursed with irrationality. So it makes sense for them to take the nails to their skulls.
I worked in a mental hospital for two years about 45 years ago. I had a patient who had a lobotomy. I will never forget him. He spent his days sitting quietly in a chair. He also had a club foot which limited his mobility. He was very calm, I remember.
So you’re telling his personal story in a TH-cam comment?
@@Seatonni didn't tell you much about his personal story.... for instance no identifying details, apart from he had a club foot and was in a mental facility. And he was quite. I don't think that this intrudes on anyone's privacy. If you know the person from the mental hospital, can you tell us more?
honestly, considering how I am, it's pretty scary to think that if it weren't banned, I could have already had one right now 😕
You missed some facts about Rosemary Kennedy, God, bless her soul. Upon her birth, the doctor was late. Her mother closed up her legs in order to prevent her from coming out of her. They literally pushed her head back in. The doctor arrived about 2 hours later. The lack of oxygen made her growth stunted since the day she was born. However, some people also believed that she might suffer ADHD or any other disorder that was not yet diagnosed back then. Her father is ashamed by her slow growth as compared to her other siblings who accomplish more things than her. His son's election pressured him further to "fix" her. He secretly signed her up for a lobotomy procedure. Nobody in the family knew about this horrifying event, and no, not even Rosemary herself knew what she was going under the knife for. The surgery failed and her mind regressed to a toddler. She spent decades in isolation from the rest of her family. Her father prohibited anyone from visiting her. He came up with many excuses to keep her away from his family. He never once visited her. They eventually found out about her condition and they became advocates for raising awareness on disabilities ever since.
I read it was because the father was late and she wanted him there for the birth . Either way, so crazy
You are correct. Joe Kennedy expected perfectionism in his children and since Rosemary was less than perfect (in his eyes), he wanted to put her away and hide her forever. So very sad. However, Rosemary had her lobotomy in 1941 and JFK was not elected into any public office until after WW2.
So sad she was a victim since during birth
@@kaymuldoon3575
Thank you for correcting
me. I must've read the
article wrong, then. It's
a sad case either way. 🫂
I read that some of her siblings (don't recall who) stopped talking to the dad for good; they were so upset over what he did to their sister : (....he cursed the family
correction, it was Howard Dully’s Stepmother. she was abusive to him, closing him off in his room and never telling him why. She hated him. She yelled at him often, and even went to the extent of closing him off from his stepsiblings. He did act out, but it was a result of abuse. His Lobotomy was a result of manipulation. His stepmother claimed she was afraid of him to a ridiculous extent, (which part of it may have been true, but it doesn’t excuse her treatment towards him.) His lobotomy was performed without his knowledge, and only weeks after the operation was completed, by Freeman himself I might add, did he find out about it. It permanently altered his mental state and it took him a while to get his life situated and turned around. Highly recommend his memoir, its a fantastic read.
would you mind sharing how the book is called?
@@VaivaPaula95 its called "My Lobotomy"
@@snekki8153 thank you!
all of this is there in the video lol.
@@VaivaPaula95 no problem
Thanks for your channel. You remind me of my 6th grade teacher, Mr. Scott. He was a little more animated than yourself,but, as honest and straightforward as you. Thanis again, always looking forward to the next one !
if lobotomies weren't banned I would've had one for sure 💀
But today they mutilate a 12 year old who says he/she wants to change gender. This is an age where they can't even decide which pajamas to wear to bed or what shoes to wear to school. Years from now there will be documentaries about the barbaric practices hoisted upon today's children.
Technically, they haven't been banned. They're just not done anymore. I do think there's still a non surgical option now.
Can you imagine how many parents back then may have feared their kids anger and that’s all it would take for them to have this happen to them? Even when their kids were probably no real threat to them. Better parenting could help avoid this. So Dark.
Nowadays unruly kids get drugged instead of lobotomies.
@catherine birch aahh yes, nothing better to control your children, that methamphetamine and opium
@@diegoolivares1081 Things haven't changed since I was a kid. When I was a teenager they used Largactyle and other tranquilizers to shut kids up.
yes because parents are forcing "the shot" on their kids right now.
Scarily enough, I think those are the same parents who would object to a belt at all costs for disciplining their kids but wouldn't give this lobotomy a second thought to help with whatever troubles they were having with their kids
Lobotomy is scary. Having tantrums and and sometimes lashing out is part of being a human being. Instead of the patients, those doctors needed a lobotomy.
Well if the doctor's were given lobotomies. Then there would be no one to give the lobotomies. Except the person giving the lobotomies to the doctor's. Which by itself, the person giving the doctor's a lobotomy would be equivalent to the doctor's giving people lobotomies. It's an endless cycle, you see?
real shit. i feel so sad when i think about those put through this
So do the Elites who are running this country. They're the real nut cases and so was the Dr. Who created this monstrous act..
@@janetduncan87 Exactly!!
It's called self control
I remembered a quote where it said, "the world isn't round, nor is it a cube. Its ruined." The world IS ruined. Even if there were a same number of pure, kind-hearted souls as broken and rotten ones, it doesn't change the fact that its already been damaged, just like these poor victims. Let's hope that lobotomy never becomes legal ever again, because its giving me the memories of the brain surgery in Saw X.
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It’s amazing that the man who was lobotomized at 12 years old not only survived, but was actually able to still function! He wrote a book with a severed brain! I am so sorry for him but so impressed by him. Not many can walk or talk like he can. Poor fellow, I wish him the best.
It truly is amazing!! ♥️
It's horrible, but actually not that interesting. The brains of children are extremely resilient to damage, due to being able to reroute and re-network the connections through other means (i.e. neuroplasticity). You can see this clearly in the cases of corpus callosotomy in severe, refractory epilepsy. They sever the two hemispheres. In children, the procedure results in almost no ill effects, but in adults, it is extremely detrimental to neurological function. This is also patent in cases of agenesis of the cerebellum; the kids learn some other way to balance and such, but in adults, they'll never walk again.
Imagine how intelligent he would be if he hadn't had this barbaric surgery.
Do u know the name of his book?
What’s the name of the book
I just really don't see how a doc could hammer into the corner of your eye and it NOT be a bloodbath. It seems like one of the goriest things you could do to a person.
Not so much the corner of your eye as above your eye, breaking the orbital bone to access the cranial vault.
have you seen what doctors are willing to do for money? just look at those freaks that change their whole bodies to look like reptiles, devils, barbie, cartoon characters etc...
@@julcaos Those body modifications are safe procedures, though. And the people undergoing those procedures have fully chosen to do so. It's in no way comparable to a lobotomy.
@@laura121684 understood and I agree, they are different. But my point was mainly on the extremes procedures doctors will do for money.
@@julcaos That's fair. I will absolutely agree with you on that point.
So fascinating! Oh how I wish you listed all the films that all those clips were taken from. I only recognized a few.
Very interesting video. Regarding Howard Dully, it is believed that because he had the lobotomy as a child, the plasticity of the brain at that age resulted in less serious damage to his basic functionality as an adult, compared to those who were lobotomized as adults.
Question: What are all the movies referenced?
I saw Terminal, Jacob's Ladder, 12 Monkeys, Changeling, Suddenly Last Summer, Harry Potter, Some Like It Hot, Frances, Requiem for a Dream, Girl Interrupted
I worked with a patient who was a victim of lobotomy. I w as told he had been given one because he was uncontrollably violent. When I knew him he was incredibly friendly and his speech was very slurred and slow, but he was a genius when it came to computing numbers. Who knows how much we lost as a society by the loss of this man's intellect and ability to communicate it?
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that's why I think Aliens forced it onto people with potential to change the world for the better. will make the invasion of 2056 much more difficult for them.
@@robertjensen1048 this is a really gross thing to say.
@@s0urpatchkiddo Only because you haven't thought it out as much as I have.
@@robertjensen1048 no, you’re just a deplorable human being for saying this. you’re not edgy or cool for saying controversial and offensive things.
not only was lobotomy unethical, it was horrifically dangerous too. there’s no way this method could’ve ever been precise enough to do it’s intended purpose 100% of the time, and it wasn’t. almost no one who’s had one survived it as well as this man. notice how i’m saying WELL despite it damaging his ability of speech. he’s one of the BEST case scenarios. my advice for you is to go outside, touch some grass, and maybe talk to some people.
Rosemary Kennedy didn't become compliant and obedient. She was disabled and never able to walk again. She lost the ability to speak.
Drooling over herself
That's an overly dramatised version of events.
Yea he’s telling the truth^^
She was probably austistic, which they couldn't understand and as for her family, their over weaning ambition lead to other tragedies.
They forced multiple lobotomy’s on her and her health declined more and more
The lobotomy was replaced with newer antipsychotic drugs like Haldol. Also known as called liquid lobotomy.
i cannot see this the same way from fire in the hole
And it's not even mentioned in the video how much of the survivors of this procedure committed suicide. I can't even imagine how awful they felt.
Yep
True
Why
The frontal lobe is the most important part of the brain. It makes you, you. Emotion, personality, thinking everything about you. It not be done.
Oh yes. It didn't actually go much into detail about the after effects of it. Some actually did turn more violent and deranged.
This honestly makes me so incredibly sad…
Just because they didn’t “understand” people with autism or epilepsy, Etc.
They treated them like absolute garbage.. And we still don’t get treated well enough in my opinion.
Disorders are still being joked about, people are still getting bullied for being “different”, Etc.
I’m glad it’s not as bad as then but still… People need to do better.
Why do people think we are “different” though?? Different to you maybe, but we are still humans…
Well said.
They think we're different because of ignorance... How silly of them.
In some cases people with epilepsy and autism cannot be treated the same way as 'normal/healthy' people, is as simple as that.
Also, we joke about everything nowadays, from the silliest things to the most terrible happenings in history, another thing is that we actually mean it.
Edit: Also, how much more 'well' do you want to be treated?
Modern western countries have tons of laws against discrimination, specified research fields for autism and multiple disorders, (sometimes) forcing a certain way of building the streets so people with wheelchairs can go up... Please explain me.
@@gamermosley7803 yes the laws exist, but they are anything but enforced. also i have autism, and i am a normal, healthy, even fairly fit person.
so uh.
@@Celatra By normal/healthy i meant, "perfectly healthy", which is pretty much the requirements for jobs like various branches of the army, police, firefighters... and to some extent construction sites and factories, so again, just as what happens with not only autism but literally any condition, not everyone can and should be treated equally in every aspect of life.
Also good for you, I have seen other people with autism that struggle to do the slightest of things, so as what happens with many health conditions, it all depends on the severity/grade of it.
And about the law, dont know where you live, but at least here in Spain, laws against discrimination (specially women...) are really damn strict, it just so happens most people who claim to be 'harassed' by employers dont really have the confidence to take the cases to court due to them knowing that is not really harasment but simply, not enough skill level for the job.
@@gamermosley7803 bro. women here get touched and asked questions about pregnancy at their jobs and they get insulted and otherwise sexually harrassed aswell.
most people who fall into ASD have no issues with the jobs you mentioned.
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I can’t believe that not long ago I would’ve had been lobotomized since apparently I’m the “perfect candidate” according to the advertisement
Not a lobotomy story, but an example of how we used to diddle with the human mind having little to no idea what we were doing: My grandpa was a WWII prisoner of war survivor. His memories from the war were often debilitating. Electro shock therapy was recommended to him, they told him it had the potential to totally erase his traumatic memories. Who wouldn't want that? He went through with it, of his own volition (to my knowledge anyway), and he had the opposite result. After his treatment, he claimed to have total recall of his entire life. He remembered everything that he had ever experienced, the good, the bad, and the ugly.
The scary part is ECT is still practiced to this day.
That’s actually kind of cool to remember everything you’ve forgotten. It sucks that includes the trauma of war… But I still wouldn’t do electric shock therapy!
Yeah it really is crazy they still do ECT today. I can't believe it to be honest.
@@P3rmissionD3ni3d to be fair it’s (as far as I know) only used as a absolute last resort for various forms depression and done with controlled nodes
@@P3rmissionD3ni3d Indeed it is. My dear aunt had ECT done. She took her life in 2012. She was a wonderfully sweet, kind, generous, thoughtful person. Her birthday is tomorrow and I miss her terribly. Anyway, there is no way to know now whether it hurt or helped her. My personal feeling, though, is that it was not a good thing, but it will be an unanswerable question forever. I just worry for anyone who is subject to these procedures, whether voluntary or forced. Wishing everyone well and all the best. ♥️
Back in the year 1847, there was a railroad worker who somehow survived having a tamping iron go through under His cheek bone,out the top of His scull,and land about 200 feet away thus taking out most of the frontal lobe of His brain. His general personality changed dramatically. He went from being a highly intelligent businessman to losing His temper and using a great deal of profanity. I don't know how to spell His first name, but His last name was Gage.
His name was phineas gage
He also died very young tho
@@kv5917 How
@@dizzysosilly because he had most of his brains blown out of his head, he died of a seizure
I heard this from last pod cast on the left
rosemary kennedy wasn't allowed a lot of freedom in leaving the house (because of her developmental delays) and when she was around 22 her parents hired a governess to watch her at all times. because rosemary had been sneaking out, jealous of the freedom her siblings had. i'd have angry outbursts too. the psychiatrist who suggested a lobotomy did so to cure her DEPRESSION. they lobotomised her because of DEPRESSION. i think these are all important parts of her story.
What the father did to rosemary is inexcusable. He wanted her out of the way period.
Howard wrote a book called "my lobotomy " one of my favorite books. Every parent of a "wild child" should read this book, you get to hear the child's side from his memory
I bet that women who were forced to get lobotomy had nothing wrong with them, but just weren't "obedient and serving" enough for misogynistic society at the time. For example, Francis Farmer, her worst "crime" was that she was waaaay ahead of her time with women's rights. And she was severely abused by her own mother. That is why she was "sick" and doomed to have lobotomy which ruined her.
damn
My greataunt Maria had a lobotomy as a teen back in the 1910s. She was the first girl in a family of 9 children. As a very young child of about 5 she did hard difficult work that her mother should have been doing. By 8 she was given full responsibility of running the household. No running water, no electricity, no diapers, no store to buy groceries...and all done in the burning smothering South Texas heat. The boys didn't have to help her bc she was a female and that's what females did. Her mother spent her time in a darkened room in the back of the house popping out babies (fvck you Florencia). When she reached puberty, Maria's hormones kicked in and she started to question her lot. She was promptly institutionalized at South Presa where she further traumatized by the staff and lobotomized when she questioned authority. My mother would visit her and described her as sweet and that she loved bananas.
My mother's cousin stated Maria died of a broken heart, insinuating she died bc her love wasn't reciprocated by a crush. No, Maria died in an insane asylum bc her pos parents and the attitudes of the misogynist society of the time. RIP Aunt Maria. You are not forgotten and your story has already been told to my granddaughter.
@@cynthiakeller5954 how horrible! This is the saddest and scariest thing that could happen to innocent young woman.
@@biljam972 TY! Aunt Maria's family tried to brush her under the rug but my mom and her mouth told the truth. Mom was stunning and would not be ignored. Aunt Maria is having the last laugh!
@@cynthiakeller5954 society is horrible to women! Truth should be told.
The person who invented the lobotomy deserved a lobotomy himself, not an award.
This!!
@@NayaRuth Hey Naya, don't be so ruth-less. 💀
@@phillipproussier3723 😎
If you think about what people at the time (and some still today) know about consciousness, you have to view their actions from a different angle (at least a little bit).
If your view is being influenced by your religious convictions, you may come to the conclusion that your mind is an unaltered "spirit", that is not bound to your body. (free will and all that).
Thus you may come to the wrong conclusion, that if someone behaves differently, there must be something wrong with his brain. The mental leap to that pathology being fixable isn't all that huge.
@@yuzuki_seo5209
There's this video of this lady in the 60s-70s I wanna say she was some sort of psychologist, who recorded herself preforming a trephination(which is an accent procedure where one drills a tiny hole into the skull, which causes like the blood pressure in your skull to like re-fluctuate basically... so a ton of blood rushes out and then like levels itself out. So they were saying) she just wanted to document the whole process, as it was said that it cured all sorts of things like headaches or head pressure, vertigo, all sorts of crazy stuff as well as improved mindfulness and inner peace and even could potentially lead to telepathy I recall someone in the documentary explaining it as almost like being a carbonator, so better blood flow happens, which leads to higher consciousness
tons of people have done it. John Lennon being the first one that comes to mind. I think it's fascinating. I wanna say the documentary was called heart beat of the brain or something along those lines. It is a little bit bloody though so if you don't like that kind of thing I would look it up.
But yea end rambling I guess lol. 😂
Maybe that's why John Lennon was a communist
Hard to sit through, but well done. Thanks
My old therapist I used to have worked in an asylum and helped treat these people. He said they couldn’t make choices of their own and were greatly debilitated. He said they’d end up standing outside the restroom because they had to go urgently but wouldn’t actually finish the task of going inside to relieve themselves unless someone told them to go into the bathroom. I definitely don’t think they helped that many people with some of the earlier methods of mental healthcare. Thank goodness it’s 2022 and they don’t do those things anymore 😰
They still do some of those things nowadays.
If certain people had there way. Such barbaric procedures likely would return. This is why its important that society, medication, and human welfare advances. Lobotomy is a relic of a era where conservative views (not political please don't) and social values were more important than understanding and developing ways of actually helping people.
The saddest irony is exactly this. They were physically damaging and diminishing the functionality of the brain structures arguably most responsible for people 'behaving' themselves! Planning, decision making, hindsight, forethought e.t.c. All decimated by some quack with an ice-pick and a hammer.
@@Quetzalcoatl_Feathered_Serpent Hate to tell you this, (yes, you made it political..I so totally will), but conservative views have nothing to do with lobotomization, and everything to do with radical thinking and moral morass (something heuristically controlled by the Democrat Agenda), and the de-humanization of people. Hell, they haven't changed their game in all these years...just the field its played on. Go through history and you'll see that it is NOT conservative viewpoints that think they can decide what's best for others...its the leftist, communist, totalitarian, egotists that plague the democratic party that are replete with human atrocities...continuing unto this day. Conservative views actually support the Rights of INDIVIDUALS! Wake up, already. smh
@@shelleythompson-brock6412 You missed the point of what i meant by conservative views.
The US was much different then. Conservative views is more of the social views of the US at the time. Democrats and Republicans pretty much had the same mindset in those eras. especially when it came to the views of how a person was to function in society.
Before my mom died, she told me that she was sure her mom had a lobotomy when she was out in an institution. Apparently she’d had a nervous breakdown a few times when my mom was a teen. The last time she came back from treatment, she wasn’t the same. It was a horrible thing for my mom to have carried around all that time. One of her college friend who has become a doctor did some digging and sure enough, that’s what happened and it was never ok’d by my grandfather. My mom is sure he never knew.
this is sick. the fact that people have holes in their head that nobody consented for. we talk ahout consent for sex but this isnt main stream knowledge?
@@ashton-jr6uu not like sex consent was truly out there in these times either tho
Thats a shame and the scary thing is there were many more that happened to.
@@SonicSegatheHedgeHog there are also other forms of malpractice like that today... my father who is a congestive heart failure patient hit the floor several months ago... his blood pressure had fallen to 40/25 ... he had a blank look in his eye i was sure he died before my eyes... my mom rushed into the room i did the sternum rub and she did cpr... he woke up very combatitive but was back enough where we were able to contact the ambliance and they game and took him to a local hospital with a poor reputation...
at that ER unit without permission and notification of my mom and myself, they put my father on DNR... pretty sick considering what he was there for... you trust that they will help you and you trust they will save your loved one... but sometimes the only thing saving them is a miracle... Malpractice is a big deal and can cost us our loved ones if we are not side by side with them through everything. this is why its such tragedy that they limit who can see a loved one in ER.
@@acrock21ambulance
Definitely my grandma (schizophrenia), me and brother (both autistic) would all have gotten lobotomies if it existed today.
Hopefully as we go forward in time we will gradually leave atrocity behind. So much of it in our history. My heart goes out to people with dementia or brain injuries or mental illness in centuries past.
This is actually too sad as my *lovely* Uncle had this *done to him* after he had a mental breakdown. After the lobotomy - he became passive - but never lived a normal life (chosing to walk backwards when in public with various phobias of water).
After he died I cleared out his flat and there were so many letters when he refused the operation, tried to leave his parents and ended up having it forced on him.
... I miss him and this video shows what he went through. I guess his Dad (my Grandad) wanted him to take over a huge business - the pressure got to him - like it could to anyone. But what Father would do that to their own son. Too sad.
How was he after lobotomy?
That’s so disturbing. I don’t even see any good reason to do a lobotomy if he didn’t have any problems. Like, assuming it was the best operation money could buy, what was it even fixing in his case? That’s so strange. I’m not religious, but if he was, I hope he’s in heaven - not lobotomized - and in peace.
I hope the dad pays in the next life . Evil
Horrific. Poor guy.
I used to research quite abit on lobotomy, Many claimed that the patients simply loses their personality from a lack of temperament. They can talk, but can't socialise. Some would say that what's left is a soulless empty walking shell.
I imagine most people back in the day weren't fully educated in the actual effects of lobotomy. But even today, some said that anti-psychotic drugs can cause people to become such zombified persons. But at least the effects are not from a permanent physical damage.
Lobotomizing strong willed girls makes me feel physically sick. I can't imagine how many women were taken advantage of after that. The scientists that pushed it deserve nothing but complete anguish.
For those commenting that everyone experienced lobotomies regardless of gender, you're absolutely correct. My comment is addressing one group of those affected. Talking about one group's struggle does not invalidate anyone else's.
Thank goodness times have changed! And strong willed little girls, grow up to be highly successful...I bought my daughter a shirt that says "I'm not bossy...I have leadership skills!" ❤
@@jenniechurch5337 I love that! 💪
only girls got lobotomies?
@@asrr62 it's but one aspect that as a woman, makes me feel ill. As a queer person I am horrified at what they did to gay people but I don't need to mention every group in a single comment.
@@isadore7221 women treat children the way men treated women.
So the gd meme that is about the normal face screaming FIRE IN THE HOLE is also the worst thing ever
gd players getting this in their recommended:
Fire in the hole
Fire in the hole
I fired into the hole
fire in my ole
Fire in the hole
Damn , a lobotomy procedure looks like some scary torture technique... 😨😱
There was a railroad worker by name of Phineas Gage who survived having a tamping rod go in through His cheek bone and out the top of His scull. They have quite a few videos about Him on TH-cam.
For the people receiving them, it most definitely was a scary torture technique.
because it is. they probably got some of these torture techniques from the nazi's.
@@metatron333ascension Lobotomy is a bit older than nazism, and is honestly more of an example of how abuse ran rampant in mental health spheres. There is a lot of horror stories about asylums for good reason. If anything, Nazis got there ideas from looking there.
It is I leaned about it in pshe and I swear I don’t know why they would do that
I read the book My Lobotomy. I was so angry for that kid; that horrible stepmother of his set him up for that procedure. I’m glad he’s still around to tell his story.
What about his father who stood by and let it happen?
@@glumberty1 Well what do you think? Equally as bad. Goes without saying.
Man they predicted 2.2 lobotomy 2 years before the release
The ancient skulls had holes in them to relieve pressure from hemorrhaging. If a warrior got clubbed over the head in battle and bleeding on the brain occurred. That hole in the side would've released the swelling and potentially saved their life.
The crazy thing is that lobotomies started up by being a delicate procedure that was performed with very precise utensils and could only be operated by skilled doctors in severe cases. And this one doctor just took an ice Pick and hammerd people in the head. But he sold it excellently
Like anything, goes mainstream and is abused. I think some surgeries today are the same. Delia Morris
"Thatguy" Medicine and surgery has had that kind of origin. It used to be common practice in ancient times .
And awarded the Noble Prize! What a wonderful world hey.
@@obscurelyvague "it used to be common practice in ancient times."
That's what that crazy quack believed as well. The fact is no one knows and its all speculation. None of us were living then, but judging by the ancient architecture alone they were far more sophisticated and knowledgeable than us.
I think that was the problem. It might have been a good procedure if was looked into and taken care of very carefully but this guy decided to make it into a business without knowing what he was doing.
Rosemary Kennedy reportedly sang while the lobotomy was performed, like with most neurological surgeries, for the doctor to know the patients brain is functioning. Then there was a wrong swipe and Rosemary stopped singing. And never sang again.
That sounds terribly sick and sad
@@souldancersbyjennifer it WAS sick and sad ...big Joe had no soul whatsoever .
Lobotomies were performed with the patient unconscious... so I'm pretty sure that's a rumor, but it's absolutely horrible what happened to her either way.
In the video it says they were shocked unconscious 🤔
@@livewire2759 Many lobotomies that were preform weren’t really done by a ‘professional’. Not everyone was unconscious while this was preformed.
My aunt told me when she was growing up in highschool kids would prank call and say another child was crazy and they would take the child away in a STR8 jacket and "observe" them for 72 hours this was the 60-70s those where different and scary times
Okay my guy, I'm sorry for being obscene but I have to tell that.. It was a FUCKING GREAT VIDEO! I went through in so many phases from disgusting depression to interested, it was hell of professional such an interesting story such greatly covered.. Shit I loved this video
Baby- *cries*
Mother- "well that's just it, you're getting a lobotomy."
In a nutshell...
Your forgot papa. As a mother of a child who was diagnosed with autism in the mid 90’s I hit the library to research everything I could find to help my child. All the books available at the time were written in the 50’s and 60’s. All ascribed this condition to cold sterile mothers. Mommy dearest. Remember women were looked down upon in that time period and it couldn’t possibly been a man held responsible. So rethink that one will you.
@@donnaroberts9119 stfu. Women were just as guilty of this as men. Try taking some fucking accountability for once, and not make this a man vs woman thing. Grow tf up
@@donnaroberts9119 huh??
@@26das_it_mane Relax. She didn't get the joke and thought you were attacking the whole female kind.
I still can’t believe that her own family did this to JFK’s sister.
I can. Her parents were very big on image.
It's even more pathetic when we think of JFK being shot years later. A human being turned into a vegetable for nothing.
Well, the Kennedy's aren't exactly decent people. This doesn't surprise me.
That’s why they’re cursed
And what happened to him
why is your profile picture the icon for the app called revive? its literally on the apple store and the google play store
The reason lobotomies were outlawed was not because they were bad, it was because they were so unpredictable. Sometimes they got the result they wanted but more often than not they didn't!!
no, as a Specialist Nurse, i believe this SHOULD NEVER ever be legalised again. disgusting and inhumane.
It really is.
Turning people into zombie like beings.
Is just disturbing.
Like getting electroshocked against your own will? Oh or these little shots they give you so you stay calm? Still happens to this day... “we just want to help“ ... sure...
@@playlistchannel23 Think from an outside perspective, you'll understand the reason. (and it's not a good reason)
What you'll get is actually common misconception in medicine, like treating insulin independent diabetes with insulin secretagogues, drugs' group that will eventually make a patient insulin dependent after destroying their pancreas.
Another example is treating a chronic severe stress patient with antihypertensives as if their hypertension isn't psychological, in this case the patient's gets hardly managed if at all.
@@modrribaz1691 make damaging brains thru electroshocks great again, or what? Think from the perspective of someone getting beaten up in the asylum, defending himself and because he did that gets electroshocked. Great help indeed.
@@playlistchannel23 Okay, so I think I need to clarify my previous statement.
In other words:
"What you're going through as an individual doesn't matter, it's what they observe that matters for them.
For example, a core medical treatment for type II diabetes actually makes it worse on the long run and when treating hypertension they don't put chronic psychological troubles into perspective.
Lots of them think 'normal blood glucose in diabetic patient and normal blood pressure in a hypertensive patient' is always good because their perspective is not holistic even if they think it is"
Do I sound like someone who's supporting the current conventional mindset of the medical field? Or were you someone who want to think other people are always going against them?
I think we would all be lobotomized if this were still legal 💀
Joe Biden was lobotomized, right?
That is a scary thought
No your not wrong
I know I would be, for sure, 100%. Like, without a doubt. I’m trans, bi, I have ADHD, severe anxiety, depression, and am just weird overall. Very thankful that this is now illegal, just makes my skin crawl thinking about being born in a different time.
💀 (all of us after the lobotomy)
from what movie is the scens between 5.55-5.57 from?
11:41 what's the movie?
I remember watching it a while ago but can't remember the name
Final Destination 😂
My aunt was given a lobotomy after attacking her step mother, who showed up in her life soon after the sudden death of her biological mom. I met her once. She said very little and just sat there. It was sad.
Shoulda tried to meet her again. See it's not the stories that aggravate me so much as the lack of attention. If someone actually tried to talk to them maybe they'd actually open up about how they felt.
@@zaynes5094alot of them can’t talk, they are barley alive.
My mother wanted this done to me when I was 8 in about 1965 she had borderline personality disorder. And I was her scrap goat chi ld. I w a s a lovely child. Of course the psychiatrist said no! To her he saw right through her. But still I had a life time of abuse. Still facing homelessness at age 64.
hey Kay, i hope you find peace with your past and present and i am
sending you lots of love and strength your way. My heart feels very heavy for you, though i do not know you, you didn’t deserve what you went through and that you’re loved. May god bless you for the rest of your years and that you find your forever home and have mental, physical, and spiritual comfort 💕
@@333gyal thank you Ceci!
I'm sorry you went through that
Just a reminder that not everyone with BPD is like that. A lot of people with BPD actually tend to be very kind and compassionate and shouldn't be bunched in with the toxic bunch.
@@cof... I would have to disagree with you on that borderline personality when you look in the books they're in the same category with sociopaths and psychopaths I think people are using borderline personality all of a sudden it's become a popular throw out thing but no they are very dangerous and very sick people everybody just starts to use these psychological names like everybody says I have bipolar bipolar this and bipolar that that's b******* we used to call bipolar manic depressive and my boyfriend is a psychologist my ex-boyfriend and he told me way back in the 70s that there are actually very few designated mental illnesses manic depressive is one of them now everybody wants to get on the bandwagon for this or that people should stop doing that.
That sounds so sad. I wish you the best, lots of love ❤️❤️❤️
2:40 What's this scene from?
I'm gonna need a movie list of all the clips you used in here. I know 12 Monkeys, Terminal but like the one especially at 1:26! Unless it is Girl, Interrupted. And as well as Sucker Punch.
I had a student who developed severe seizures as young adult. They performed a partial lobotomy on her (14years ago) She proceeded to become an architect afterwards. But when she visted me recently she only came to 'get to know' me. She had zero memory of anything or anyone before the procedure. Relatives etc told her of her previous life and she was on a mission to find out more about her life before. I showed her photos etc and but she had no recollection of anything. She told me that she even had to get to know her two young sons from scratch. Sad
But her seizures were/are gone
I’m glad that she was able to live a more normal life after that, good for her
One of the lucky ones?
Well thats a good ending 👍
@@LatIenws yikes
Wow. Like a movie....Maybe treating the seizures would have been a better result.
My mother often told me, "You belonged in a Crazy House like your Grandmother." If Mom could have had her way, this may have happened to me. Just because I did not agree with Mom over every issue (does not mean that I was crazy). Mom may have been the crazy one.
Its a little bit weird the way you call your mother during this comments
@@lounamhb tf are you talking about they’re just using third person to talk it’s not that weird
Your mother could be a narcissist but a dangerous one mines a narcissist and has said threatening things but never anything about a crazy house
@@lounamhb yeah thats the weird part, not what the mother said
I’d say someone who wants to lock up another person simply for having other interests or voicing an opinion is a psychopath and a dangerous person.
They were used as a way to silence the trauma of male and female victims of sexual assault and abuse. Women and children in particular had no say over it and their husbands and parents, who were often their abusers, would do it to stop them acting out and to silence them. It's not different to my incredibly abusive mother putting my sister on psych meds at 10y.o that were so strong she became a zombie. Psych pros and my mother considered it a success as she no longer acted out (about the abuse we were suffering). I learned to be quiet and was sold to an older man when I was 16 who also tried to have me committed when he wanted the inheritance my father (who I met once) had left me. Psych nurses were all too keen to lock me up and give me meds that made it impossible for me to think. It was agony. Thankfully an independent reviewer saved me or I might be there still today ( Abusive man did try to kill me after I got out though).
My grandfather was also committed in 1940's after he suffered a head injury. He was starved and tortured before dying there. It was one of Australia's worse asylums.
Independent reviewer?
And which asylum was your grandfather at?
0:37 is this scene from a movie or show or something like that?
Every patient was abused by their care provider , family, parent. They weren’t crazy, they were abused & then discarded .
Idk about that many of them probably did have some sort of psychological disorder considering allot of people do, but your right this was wrong, probably one of the biggest things it did was provide some sort of alteration in behavior that acted like a placebo to convince family members that they were “cured” and the family then started treat them differently and that changed the whole dynamic of the relationship.
In 1968, at 20 yrs old, I became depressed and foolishly said I was sick of life to a doctor who sectioned me
I spent 3 months undergoing full on e.c.t. 2 x a week. When I was released, I was a shell of what I was before and developed severe agoraphobia and social phobia. Even now at 74, I am still prone to occasional panic attacks. The only good thing is that lobotomies were banned the year previous to my incarceration.
i’m so sorry to hear about this, e.c.t especially back in those days was horrible and torturous. although i’m really glad you didn’t have to endure this horrible “surgery”.
"Everything you say can and will be used against you" seems to apply with doctors as well as with the police.
I'm so sorry to hear that. I'm glad you narrowly avoided lobotomies, and I hope you're having a good day today.
God loves you and sent His only begotten son to die on the cross for our sins so we can be reborn and find peace.
@@angelbb8195 bro this is not the time and place for this
Great video, I popped off at the Sucker Punch clips haha awesome movie
I read "My Lobotomy". His step mom was abusive and disliked him very much. She wanted him lobotomized just for being a kid. I think the dad just went along with it to keep the stepmom happy. The boy's mother died and maybe the dad was desperate to hold on to this new wife. Still, no reason to do that to a kid. I would have ditched the wife or said "Look this is my kid. Either you straighten up and deal with him being a kid or its over".
It must have been at a time in which it was some social shame for a grown man not to be married. Or maybe it was cultural too
I don’t think either of that will help. What that kid needed was help from a proper psychologist…some good therapy. Not some lobotomy. He just needed to be explained about the big change that’s happening in his life. For kids, that scenario is as big as the world ending. Once he gets to term with that, the relationship can start well.
But saying to the new wife that this kid is just being a kid, can be a problem especially if he was being quite volatile towards her. That’s a recipe for disaster. The little boy may not be a danger when he is 5 but imagine he kept his dislike for her as he became a teen. An unruly 18 year old can be detrimental to not only her safety but also the fathers. Because, I’m sure his hatred would also extend to the father, who favors the wife over him and scolds his son.
@@blueshoes5145 wtf are you talking about that has to do with lobotomy
@@obscurelyvague 1) Single men were never in the same position as single women. 2) He was a widower, so it didn't apply to him anyway.
@@blueshoes5145 and some complete terminally online women want to say this was only a crime against girls lol. riduclous.
My dad told me I needed a lobotomy when I was 10 years old. I had social anxiety and found it hard to talk to strangers, especially adults. Both my parents mentioned putting me in a psych ward because I wouldn't talk (later diagnosed as selective mutism).
Whenever I bring it up to my mother now, she just says "yeah, we were scared." That is no excuse to lobotomize a CHILD.
Weirdly enough, my brother was also shy and displayed selective mutism tendencies, yet it was never pushed on him that he had something wrong with him. I definitely resonated with "lobotomies were done on rebellious teen women".
I am 20 now, never had a lobotomy, but I still have panic attacks when that procedure is mentioned (Yes, I had one during this video, but I still wanted to learn about it).
*Edit for the ones who keep replying that they find the events of my life hard to believe.
1: Read my other comments further explaining my experience.
2: It's my life. Don't invalidate what you don't understand. I've been through it, you haven't (which is a good thing) so stop trying to tell me that I'm making it all up.
3: Furthermore, as I've said countless times, I never actually got a lobotomy. Yes it was illegal at that time when my dad threatened me, but do you think my ten year old self knew that? Do you honestly believe that I didn't think he'd find some way to get me lobomized even *if* I knew it was illegal?
How could this slipped in their mind at 2010s?? Why? How's your condition now? I used be normal, then my entrepreneur family business exploded in Scale, we moved a lot. I was homeschooled and ignored to point of not befriended neighbor kid, because we always moving.
So i Got acompanied by bad nanny, she looved to shove and kick me every time. It made me even less talkative
Tl;dr they noticed me being "shy and different"
instead soon-ex-mom put me on "vacation" in a completely different city "in fancy daycare to help me socializing again" without my dad knowing it.. (you get where this lead to eh? Another time for that)
till my busy dad got notified i wasn't at home anymore and he visits me couple month later and realized the f*ck place does she puts me into? it's filled by kids with mentally disabled that can't talk with me... great(socialize and fancy my ass i was eating less there)
that horrific events made me ultra shy like not even able posting a comment like this till 8 years ago.. now at 21 I've got slight improvement but not much...
You ever experienced being perceived as arrogant before? I got plenty and whelp, surprise surprise contacts for personal friend? it's literally empty just my biz associates (that is also already pre arranged by -parents- dad) 😅
@@MaseraSteve I actually have been called arrogant by my dad, one of my teachers, and two people who are no longer my close friends. As you can guess, I have no friends now, unless you count my brother's friend that comes over to see my cat lol. They thought that because I couldn't talk openly to strangers that I must have thought I was better than them. Ironically, I suffered with horrible self esteem, way worse than I have today. My current self esteem isn't great, but I don't let people manipulate me and I can say "no" to their face. It's been very difficult to get to where I am today, I still find myself struggling with the fear of being judged or people viewing me as a shit person when I am not. Therapy helped, but it can only get you so far if you aren't willing to change and grow.
How is your condition? I assume "ex-mom" means your parents are divorced? Mine got legally divorced last year, but they haven't been on good terms for most of their 30 year marriage.
You and I are close in age. I'll be 21 in two months. How have you been handling things?
@@supernapper01 yes, they are divorced
“ ” Ironically They thought i was better than them, i suffered with horrible self esteem ” ” that is why i wanted to ask you that. I received that comments once in a while as kid.. yet all i did was staring slightly at the same time my heart beats fast, definitely panicked..
it made me studied human behavior, but the funny thing is what written about "arrogant people" is that they loved to admire themselves, rub anything they felt superior in your face verbally. Yet non of it described me at all.. i used to reject every chance when asked "want me to take picture of yourself?" At vacation even.
How am i now? Thanks for asking too! Definitely a little more talkative, i can glance at their eye level, less stutter (reverts if intimidating) one of my method to improve self esteem is just looking clean (losing weight, ironed nice colored shirt, practice soliloquy in mirror and fitting haircuts) hence 8 years later now i can comment to you !
i also can talk to guy twice my age now but, it's a really shallow connection. Yet my father used to always bring me to observe he socialize with biz associates everytime, maybe lack of getting respect is the play here..
As for peer my age in person? Oh, sh*t! panic attack always come! It's intimidating! dunno where to met or respond with, because I can't connect much, still being disconnected with their world or trends obviously made me an alien. But doesn't stop me to try every encounter like this too.
Bday in 2 months eh? So we're 5 months apart then, interesting!
What about hobby mate? Because i have no influence from people, i got broad interest such :
ask me about History yep, Tech? Yep, Art? Yep, Woodworks yep, Bonsai yep, Automotive? (Eh, leaned to it's design) then, yep!
Movie? Not as enjoyable like it used to so maybe if there's an input I'll try to watch it
@@MaseraSteve I totally get it being hard to relate to people the same age. I don't like to associate with modern trends, and I especially dislike TikTok. The only thing I sorta keep up with is memes, since I enjoy seeing people come together for a good laugh.
As for hobbies, I enjoy all types of art that I can get my hands on. Ceramics, Painting, Traditional drawing, Digital drawing, photography, you name it. I was also in a welding class in highschool which was very fun. I never got to do wood working since that class was always full, but at least I got to smell the wood as I walked by lol! Those classes were put in by a local college, otherwise my highschool would not have had those classes.
I also like tech, although I don't know a whole lot about programming. But I enjoy video games and fixing things. Do you play video games? If so, are you console or PC?
Oh! And I also love psychology, so I enjoy studying human behavior, too!
@@supernapper01I realized why there's no reply turns out youtube now are literally banning certain word combined with steam and infamous purple bot. My second attempt to reply with that account are still erased😅. Oh, agree tik tok to me are just like over glorified ad media to me it's too shallow and comedy there aren't funny at all. But in my experiment, the algorithm works better in term of discoverability though.
yes i do play! Used to have ps3 and currently on laptop because it's more versatile for my lifestyle nowadays I'm more leaned towards open world and wacky physics like gang beast
Love to collect vintage stuff too did your town have sort of antique store of some sorts?
Does anyone know the name of the movie at 11:27??
The way the narrator just blew past the guy's story of him being upset about his mother's passing, and how his step mother just wanted to shut him up is disturbing. They said it was the little boy's mother-in-law, not his step mom, like he'd be married at that age. Then they said he had no trouble after the lobotomy which is not all what he says. Then they deceitfully showed his cat scan with the impression that nothing was wrong, but they people who did the cat scan said it was abnormal.
This was honestly hard for me to get through, being someone who spent most of my young life in a locked mental ward. The continuation of inhumane treatment is still there, it's just muted. It's polite enough to skirt the media attention, and now they call electric shock "ECT," which is still legal in my home state of Georgia. Nothing has changed, they still want to make us vegetables.
When I was 14 I was found dangling in my closet like an old pair of shoes. Instead of talking to me, my parents locked me away and I was placed on 9 psychiatric medications daily. I isolated myself, suffered from a new eating problem, detached from reality and was even drooling on myself. My eyes were sunken like a corpse and I was either nauseous or seizing on a daily basis. Of course they put me on an anti epileptic medication to treat the side effects of the other medication. All in my freshman year.
I'm now almost 27 and still feel the traumatic effects of my prolonged stays at various hospitals. And my heart aches for anybody dealing with it today, let alone in the 1930s. I could barely see the video through my tears, envisioning the pain those poor people felt and the wondering of why society hated them so.
These are very tough situations.
I'm am horrified what you went through! So, so sorry! It sounds like all you needed was intervention, therapy and kindness and PERHAPS some medication. Instead you were treated as less than human. Please know you are deserving of love and respect. I truly hope you have been able to heal and are living your best life. Therapy really has helped me with my trauma, but I also understand if you feel completely done with the medical community. Wishing you the best!🌻❤️
These medical professionals should have had done to them what they did to their patients, with some pistol whipping thrown in for good measure.
SO sorry to hear that you were subjected to that. I knew a kid that went through a similar thing: he got caught with weed and his religious parents sent him off. He came back a completely different person who has never recovered from it. Your story sounds waaaaay worse, though. A 14 year old who is crying out for help needs their parents to listen to and love them. Such a heartbreaking story. They basically gave you a chemical lobotomy instead of a surgical one.
Thank you for sharing your story.
I'm still remembering the end of that episode of Bojack Horseman when Beatrice as a child, she witness the horror of finding out that her mother became a nonfunctional hollow husk of her former self, all thanks to a lobotomy. Which is partially why Beatrice is an a**hole mother to her son, Bojack. This is the first thing that pops into my mind when it comes to the topic of lobotomies.
@@kentonbenoit9629 bojack horseman is one of the best shows that portrays mental illnesses correctly on mainstream ur lame for not watching it 😭
I WANTED TO SAY THAT TOO AHHH
@@potato_smile1419 i watched it I think it's lame that first time learning of lobotomies is through bojack
My wife and I love Bojack Horseman, we actually found a Bojack Horseman monopoly game that we bought as a collectible.
I like the show bojacks self hate seems relatable
Im not seing the word lobotomy as some fire in the hole gd lvl
And this is why this the worst meme in geometry dash 💀
Early in my career I worked with a client that had this done to her. When I dug into her file to see what prompted such a drastic surgery as a response. She was from a upper middle class family and she was rebellious. She shoplifted and got caught. The second time she was caught a doctor recommended the procedure praising it's efficiency to make a person compliant. The result was that she was brought to a state where she lost most of her communication ability. When she did talk it seemed like she was experiencing a memory or hallucination about an event in her past. She could maintain some focus in the present, but not much.
Our systems are pathetic for such cruel stupidity
There are no words. Does she experience joy?
This video isn't about you Dis... though that likely hurts to hear. Not a sole came here to find out if you had clients and what happened to them... not a sole
@@slowery43 soul* also, the TH-cam comment section is made for sharing opinions.
@@slowery43 I'm sorry you were hurt.
My mum used to work in a psychiatric hospital in the 80s and 90s and worked with patients who'd suffered after having lobotomies and poorly done ECT, she said their relatives didn't have the time or patience to care for them anymore. It's dehumanising.
Go figure, it would be too much like right
@@VeeVeeLL3GeminiThis is also the case in Japan. Families just forget about their one child if they have two, those two become their main focus and the mom may come to visit their "other" just to see if they've changed or adjusted at all. Mental illness and mental health care in Japan is even worse than here in a lot of ways.
@@zaynes5094 Wow
this is making me so sad.. poor innocent people who went through this...and also poor rosemary kennedy her story is sad
WATER ON THE HILL
山上水也。
This isn't surgery, it's torture.
That’s just life bruh
You’ll be fine
well no shit Sherlock thx for pointing out the obvious💀
no
@@kamarimissick7646 But should life be like that?
whats absolutely horrifying is that the person is still in there, just unable to react or communicate or process as well. so many women were put through this in order to be tortured afterwards, it makes me sick and incredibly depressed for them.
And so many men aswell.
Just horrible….
Doctor Freeman should burn in hell
You didn't say where the photo of the thumbnail on the right is from?
what are shows/movies called that are shown throughout
As a psychologist I will say this is horrific with modern psychotherapy we can get to the core of the unhelpful behaviours instead of damaging connection with the frontal lobe.
Damage to the frontal lobes can result in:
Loss of simple movement of various body parts (Paralysis)
Inability to plan a sequence of complex movements needed to complete multi-stepped tasks, such as making coffee (Sequencing)
Loss of spontaneity in interacting with others
Inability to express language (Broca's Aphasia)
Loss of flexibility in thinking and persistence of a single idea or behaviour (Perseveration)
Inability to focus on a task and to filter out distractions (Attention)
Mood fluctuations (Emotional lability)
Difficulty problem solving
Difficulty inhibiting or controlling a response or impulse (Disinhibition)
Reduced motivation, initiation and persistence on activities (Adynamia)
Reduced awareness/insight into difficulties
Changes in social behaviour
Changes in personality
that's a lot of sacrifices to make for a band-aid solution.
Shameful that it was common practice, especially against our female populations. When ever someone grew weary of said female they were off for "treatments". Happened to my greataunt as a young teen when she questioned her role as the mother/domestic in a very large family.
as someone that has suffered a TBI alot of this lines up with what i've dealt with since the injury. wow and to think this man intentionally damaged peoples frontal lobes.........
Tell me about transgenderism and surgery on kids?
What?
So are all the terrible prescriptions given out that are just band aids and cause terrible harm in the long run.