Exactly! I love how Jim breaks down how matches were laid out and explains it. You can tell he's a student and teacher of how professional wresting should be done.
I would love for him to do a documentary from the beginning times of pro wrestling and Today's time.. I want to hear about The New York/East Coast, The Atlanta/Southeast, The Texas/Southwest, The West Coast and The Mid West.. I was looking up Rick Martel one day and I was talking to this commenter on TH-cam about why WWE hasn't put him in the Hall of Fame yet, He was telling me Rick Martel should be in! He wrestled in the Portland territories.. when he said that it blown my mind and wanted to know more.. He said the reason Rick Martel isn't in the Hall of Fame cause Vince doesn't own Portland and I had to sit back and think, that's probably why he's not in either because of that video library not belonging to Vince at this point..
Andre Ricardo Bryant Yea cuz the wwe is left with stupid viewers that seem to ONLY process short meaningless storylines and matches. Explains the low ratings. I bet if wwe cancelled they shows and decided to show reruns of the Golden Age or Attitude Era, it’ll draw more viewers/ratings than the bullshit they air today . And that’s facts!
Andre Ricardo Bryant I hear that all the time, but look at the current state of the product. Im not saying he has all the answers, but he’s a goldmine of knowledge.
Remember when Edge & Christian cut that promo where they were talking about swerves?"You know when you're driving down the road at night and a deer runs across the road and you SWERVE your car to avoid it? Well, we're not talking about THAT kind of swerve..."
@@MrRighteousRon The leadership(managers & Ramp Agents)will manipulate the way a person thinks to gain a benefit at their expense. They will also fuck over someone,who has busted their ass for the company,that is in position to get a leadership position for one of their own who is lazy as hell & unprofessional
@20:00 - "It looks like a performance rather than a conflict" This^ sums up succinctly what is SO wrong with wrestling these days and why it died for me ten, fifteen, years ago. Just a pair of people coming out and doing a bunch of moves and going back to the curtain. No psychology any more. No in-ring story telling. Oh, sure, there's plenty backstage "days of our lives" story telling - but no more tales are told in the ring. And i find that a very sad thing... So instead i watch "Brett Hart vs Roddy Piper" Wrestlemania VIII; or Shawn Michaels & Razor Ramon ladder match; Brett & Shawn Iron Man Match. Need i go on...?
I LOVE Cornette's Ernie Ladd impressions, they're always spot on! BTW, What did they call a NWA v. WWF champion v. champion match? In Comics whenever a Marvel character meets a DC character, that's called a "Crossover"...
People know what "bury" means. Shame is, nobody uses it properly and it's been overused to the point of meaninglessness. Person loses once that someone didn't want to lose "BURRRIED, RUINED FUREVER"
Same can be said about other words, too. I thought I knew what 'work' meant until I listened to Corny a while back. Now I'm sure everyone else is using it wrong.
Get out of my head! I was just thinking that. Heck, if their fave isn't presented as the very top guy some fans will say he's being buried no matter how many main events and title runs he has.
I learned some of this stuff, as a kid, in the 70s, reading old comic book stories. You got stuff like "Hey Rube!" all of the time, because circuses and carnivals were big elements of entertainment in those days. Also, ballyhoo was a favorite of old Hollywood (Check out the lyrics to Hooray for Hollywood). Fans these days deed to watch movies from before 1995; preferably from before 1945.
This is a reminder of the sad state of modern pro wrestling as a whole. There has been so much of the culture and craft of wrestling that has been lost over the last 2-3 decades. It seems like most "wrestling schools" teach the mechanical aspects of ring work but don't go in depth about the business. Understanding the big picture is something many wrestlers these days are sorely lacking in. They may know how to get a cheap pop or spot pops but they don't understand how to build a match, they don't know how to get someone else over while also getting themselves over(they only know how to get over by burying someone else, it seems), and the list goes on. Long story short, when wrestlers and promoters these days often seem to lack understanding of things like terminology, how can one expect a random fan to know these things when they're being fed incorrect meanings by the working professionals who should know better? Losing the language of pro wrestling may not seem like a big deal to some but by losing the language and in turn a large part of the culture of pro wrestling, people are losing the fundamentals of the business of pro wrestling.
Thanks to The Older Vince McMahon we have now and the sad part is he knows all of this stuff and chose not to be bothered with it, Paul Haymen in the early 1990s with ECW who seem to say *"f__k those terminology"* It's not the young wrestlers fault cause the generation before them didn't teach them the terminology correctly.. Just telling the truth..
@@kenrickeason Exactly, it isn't the newer guys and gals fault that the training they received has been lackluster more often than not. They've been taught by people who are either lacking in their own knowledge of pro wrestling or they purposefully held back knowledge from their students, for one reason or another. The real shame in all of this is that with each successive generation of wrestlers, the knowledge pool is diluting severely. We're at the point where there are few active workers in the ring who know anything significant about the business, from the language/slang to ring psychology to building/maintaining/growing a business, and so on. All people seem to know these days is how to mimic what they've seen without understanding why something works or doesn't work.
@Joe Greene Very true. I think that Omega, The Young Bucks, and many other workers largely recognized as the top guys these days have extreme talent and ability but they often don't know how to fully utilize what they can do. For all their athleticism and physical capability, I've not seen guys like them put on a clinic of ring work where they displayed command of psychology and ability to tell a compelling story.
I think the only pro-wrestling terms I use regularly are "heel", "babyface", and "over" I feel like everything else gets a little muddy and changed with time
Lol. You're right. I don't get why people using colloquialisms "improperly" matters in the least to ANYTHING. It's nice from a historical view of HOW they change. Maybe it's an old man trying to struggle to push content in a time where there isnt much for him to talk about. Is that what I'm to get?
Jim's respect and passion for wrestling is amazing. He has dedicated his life to the business and he wont allow someone to shit on it without telling them to go fuck themselves. Thank you Jim for standing up for wrestling.
Holy Shit Jim, you nailed my exact problem with current product (all wrestling has this problem it's like the gorram 'Rona) Ricochet and Seth Rollins specifically have this problem, they don't make anything look like a struggle. It's too fluid, no effort, I personally blame Shawn Michaels and all his goofy shit.
Even if you order his comic, you won't get it for a while. Diamond, the company that ships for pretty much every comic publisher, blew up only two weeks into the quarantine and is still in shambles it likely will never recover from. In order to protect the stores, all of the indies, including IDW, aren't putting out product until Diamond sorts itself out. To think poor business practices would have crippled the comic book industry during a pandemic faster than pro wrestling.
It isn't just wrestling terminology that's been changed over the years., Language in general is an organic creature, growing and changing as it goes along, you notice this not only in words but in all areas of communication. For instance, the word "Gay" once meant Happy and now it means Homosexual, another example would be Spanish, you listen to someone from Spain talking from someone from Mexico, technically they're both talking in Spanish but over the centuries it's almost two separate languages. So yeah, wrestling terminology has changed too
There are two terms (moves) that I wish I knew the names of (if they have names): 1.When a heel thinks he did something smart and taps the side of his head, showing the crowd that he is smart. He then turns around to be clobbered by the babyface. 2.During a tag team match, a heel is knocked silly and mistakenly goes to the wrong corner to tag out, only to be hit by the babyface.
The first ought to be known as "The Heenan Sell." Because early on Bobby Heenan was renowned for pantomime moves such as that. The second in honor of John Lennon "Instant Karma" (also the name of a guy in Kevin Sullivan's faction in early 1980s Florida).B.W.
Jim used "hey, rube!" incorrectly during the second part of his explanation SMH. "Hey, rube!" isn't a fight, and I'm putting the comma in for a reason. "Hey, rube!" can be shouted when a fight kicks off between carnival folk and locals, to ellicit help from ther other carnies, yes, but it doesn't mean there's a fight every time.
Huh. Weird. Over here (Scotland) we use "milk it" all the time. If someone is delaying something (especially when getting praise/applause) we say they're "milking it" and also if say a football/soccer player rolls around theatrically after being fouled trying to sell an "injury" then we'll say they're "milking it" too. So not sure what Cornette means by "nobody understands "milk it" anymore" because over here *ANYBODY* would get what you mean by it. Guess in America it's been lost to time..?
"Hey Rube" was also the name of a weekly column on the now defunct Page 2 of the ESPN website, written by none other than the late, great Hunter S. Thompson.
I'm sure Cornette would agree since he EXCLAIMS in every review of modern wrestling that they don't have any psychology and they don't know how to sell.
I've incorporated 'selling' when it comes to a prank, so basically telling someone who's in on the joke to 'sell it'. Don't give me away by laughing or knowing it was coming, me doing it, et al.
We listen to jim every night, I love his old school take on present day stuff, hes probley part of a dying breed which is sad, I love when he just gets going, F bombs and all, I dig him.
21:16 - 22:13 ..... I would give anything to hear that narrative that was given to the workers for some of the great matches of all time. As in, let me hear the narrative from the blindfold match at WM VII . Or, let me hear the narrative from the first ever hell in a cell from badd blood '97. Just man, how cool would it be to have access to that!
If more wrestlers had the amount of passion and respect for the business, wrestling would be much better off. The lack if respect for wrestling by the talent today is appalling. It used to be that most guys in the business had a certain level of respect for it that just isnt there anymore. Its a real shame.
I've heard them all, but have never heard "Hey Rube", except that Rube meaning like an unsophisticated, and naive or dumb person. Having had worked for a carnival, I can attest to one rule that the "no one who works for the carnival has a last name", indeed most have nicknames, the quickest way to be lied to is to ask a carnie their name. Ive never heard "who shot John?", either, come to think of it.
These days, "business match" may not get the right response, but guys know what you mean if you say "semi competitive"...well they did, even that's starting to get away from them. Hooker is a term that has changed several times over the course of wrestling, from catch as catch can all the way to whatever you want to call AEW's 'sports based' program.
Language evolves over time. There's a lot of words that mean something totally different than they did twenty or thirty years ago. It only makes sense that wrestling terms would be subject to this trend as well.
Don't figure me into the ballyhoo of the who shot John if it turns into a hey rube. I'll be forced to take a powder. We were working a business match. I ain't selling like I'm headed to the electric chair for the man with cape on cuz he's Superman with no policeman.
Idk why but I’m fascinated by the “carny talk/terms” it’s like a lost art of the wrestling business. I feel like us fans use more carny terms than the wrestlers themselves do today.
@@Yamah12a - It has nothing to do with AEW vs WWE. It’s something that has permeated into the entire internet wrestling community. ECW, WCW & WWF fans back in the early 90’s used it too.
@@zlinedavid - This is true but I mean what can you expect when in 2022/2023 the “marks” are the only ones that want to get into the wrestling business
They will probably tell you to "put your tampon back in, Karen", or simply tell you to stay home if you are afraid of being around people as if there is an Ebola or bubonic plague outbreak.
The Rock didnt kill "jabroni"...granted, he made it a more known term, but Hulk Hogan was the one who has driven it into the ground over the last 20 years after the Rock made it cool. I never heard Hogan use the term until after the Rock, now he says it every chance he gets.
Rock had gotten the term from hearing Sheiky Baby use it while Rock was training to become a wrestler. I'm sure Sheiky didn't invent it, but he's used it quite a bit himself. Just like how Rock got the idea of his promo style by borrowing from Austin Idol
The history is totally fascinating
I love the history.
Exactly! I love how Jim breaks down how matches were laid out and explains it. You can tell he's a student and teacher of how professional wresting should be done.
Man Jim Cornette paints such a great picture of what real wrestling used to feel like !!! This his such awesome stuff !!!
I would love for him to do a documentary from the beginning times of pro wrestling and Today's time.. I want to hear about The New York/East Coast, The Atlanta/Southeast, The Texas/Southwest, The West Coast and The Mid West.. I was looking up Rick Martel one day and I was talking to this commenter on TH-cam about why WWE hasn't put him in the Hall of Fame yet, He was telling me Rick Martel should be in! He wrestled in the Portland territories.. when he said that it blown my mind and wanted to know more.. He said the reason Rick Martel isn't in the Hall of Fame cause Vince doesn't own Portland and I had to sit back and think, that's probably why he's not in either because of that video library not belonging to Vince at this point..
Andre Ricardo Bryant Yea cuz the wwe is left with stupid viewers that seem to ONLY process short meaningless storylines and matches. Explains the low ratings. I bet if wwe cancelled they shows and decided to show reruns of the Golden Age or Attitude Era, it’ll draw more viewers/ratings than the bullshit they air today . And that’s facts!
@@kenrickeason that cant be it cuz Piper worked Portland before coming to the WWF and he got in the H.O.F in 05.
Andre Ricardo Bryant
I hear that all the time, but look at the current state of the product. Im not saying he has all the answers, but he’s a goldmine of knowledge.
@@rogueprince1341 Okay, I didn't even know that either.. Piper did also?! Who else wrestled there?
Remember when Edge & Christian cut that promo where they were talking about swerves?"You know when you're driving down the road at night and a deer runs across the road and you SWERVE your car to avoid it? Well, we're not talking about THAT kind of swerve..."
Yeah, they did that on commentary. It was excellent!
I love Cornette's Ernie Ladd impression. I've even started using "you just dumbed yourself out of position" in casual conversation, lol.
BUNDAY
Cornette doing "Big Cat" Ernie Ladd. Absolutely priceless
Did Ernie Ladd sound like Dusty?
Lol, that was the best part!
Bundy, ya fat piece of shit.
Rando1975 lmfao, I love it when Corny does that impression.
Jim should do a whole show on Ernie Ladd in Ernie Ladd's voice Hahahaha I could listen to that all day everyday
OMG yes!
Ernie is 'DA BEST"
And get some heat on em’!!
I really miss Ernie...
The first time I ever truly marked out was when Chief Jay Strongbow jumped onto Ernie Ladd’s back in Georgia Championship Wrestling.
That Booker talk at the end was poetry!
My wife bought me a really expensive gift. She swerved me when I found out it was bought with my credit card.
Corny basically described my old job at FedEx with the swerve definition
Craig Smith II LOL.
How so?
@@MrRighteousRon
The leadership(managers & Ramp Agents)will manipulate the way a person thinks to gain a benefit at their expense. They will also fuck over someone,who has busted their ass for the company,that is in position to get a leadership position for one of their own who is lazy as hell & unprofessional
Aaron B THats a dumbass question, he EXPLAINED the word, and THIS dude said it was like his job....that’s a self answerable question you fucking moron
@@Sabbathbloodysabbath666 LMAO 😂😂😂😂
Arn Anderson was such a good policeman, he became the Enforcer.
@20:00 - "It looks like a performance rather than a conflict"
This^ sums up succinctly what is SO wrong with wrestling these days and why it died for me ten, fifteen, years ago. Just a pair of people coming out and doing a bunch of moves and going back to the curtain. No psychology any more.
No in-ring story telling.
Oh, sure, there's plenty backstage "days of our lives" story telling - but no more tales are told in the ring.
And i find that a very sad thing...
So instead i watch "Brett Hart vs Roddy Piper" Wrestlemania VIII; or Shawn Michaels & Razor Ramon ladder match; Brett & Shawn Iron Man Match.
Need i go on...?
Do you go to any indie events? Theyre the best. An new japan has world class wrestlers as well
Well said
I LOVE Cornette's Ernie Ladd impressions, they're always spot on!
BTW, What did they call a NWA v. WWF champion v. champion match? In Comics whenever a Marvel character meets a DC character, that's called a "Crossover"...
Since no one is answering after five months, I will. I believe the term you are looking for is cross promotional or inter promotional...I use "cross".
“What book?” “Exactly.” Hahaha anyone catch that little back and forth?
I think Fall Guys by Marcus Griffin is the book he is talking about. th-cam.com/video/r9PIleVWJtE/w-d-xo.html
On Jim's website he has a graphic novel that has insider terms
@@ernieprofitt4979 Yep, I own that and it's frigging amazing especially on the terms
People know what "bury" means. Shame is, nobody uses it properly and it's been overused to the point of meaninglessness.
Person loses once that someone didn't want to lose "BURRRIED, RUINED FUREVER"
Actually I like the new meaning! What the hell do you call Bray Wyatt multiple loses and 2003 Booker T losing against Triple H? That's burying homie..
Same can be said about other words, too. I thought I knew what 'work' meant until I listened to Corny a while back. Now I'm sure everyone else is using it wrong.
you could say they buried the word bury
@@kenrickeason its called long storied career...lol ya dope...booker t's is a good example of a burial
Get out of my head! I was just thinking that. Heck, if their fave isn't presented as the very top guy some fans will say he's being buried no matter how many main events and title runs he has.
I learned some of this stuff, as a kid, in the 70s, reading old comic book stories. You got stuff like "Hey Rube!" all of the time, because circuses and carnivals were big elements of entertainment in those days. Also, ballyhoo was a favorite of old Hollywood (Check out the lyrics to Hooray for Hollywood). Fans these days deed to watch movies from before 1995; preferably from before 1945.
That John Lennon joke went straight over corneys head lol, I thought it was funny 😂
This is one of my favorite episodes so far. Truly enjoy the terms and in a sentence.
Carnies gonna carn.
This is a reminder of the sad state of modern pro wrestling as a whole. There has been so much of the culture and craft of wrestling that has been lost over the last 2-3 decades.
It seems like most "wrestling schools" teach the mechanical aspects of ring work but don't go in depth about the business. Understanding the big picture is something many wrestlers these days are sorely lacking in. They may know how to get a cheap pop or spot pops but they don't understand how to build a match, they don't know how to get someone else over while also getting themselves over(they only know how to get over by burying someone else, it seems), and the list goes on.
Long story short, when wrestlers and promoters these days often seem to lack understanding of things like terminology, how can one expect a random fan to know these things when they're being fed incorrect meanings by the working professionals who should know better?
Losing the language of pro wrestling may not seem like a big deal to some but by losing the language and in turn a large part of the culture of pro wrestling, people are losing the fundamentals of the business of pro wrestling.
Thanks to The Older Vince McMahon we have now and the sad part is he knows all of this stuff and chose not to be bothered with it, Paul Haymen in the early 1990s with ECW who seem to say *"f__k those terminology"* It's not the young wrestlers fault cause the generation before them didn't teach them the terminology correctly.. Just telling the truth..
About the only one doing it that i could see is Al Snow. Whether or not his advice is taken is another story.
@@jpjpjp453 yep. its hard to teach fundamentals to people who already think they've got it- or somehow "know" their way works better...
@@kenrickeason Exactly, it isn't the newer guys and gals fault that the training they received has been lackluster more often than not. They've been taught by people who are either lacking in their own knowledge of pro wrestling or they purposefully held back knowledge from their students, for one reason or another.
The real shame in all of this is that with each successive generation of wrestlers, the knowledge pool is diluting severely. We're at the point where there are few active workers in the ring who know anything significant about the business, from the language/slang to ring psychology to building/maintaining/growing a business, and so on. All people seem to know these days is how to mimic what they've seen without understanding why something works or doesn't work.
@Joe Greene Very true. I think that Omega, The Young Bucks, and many other workers largely recognized as the top guys these days have extreme talent and ability but they often don't know how to fully utilize what they can do.
For all their athleticism and physical capability, I've not seen guys like them put on a clinic of ring work where they displayed command of psychology and ability to tell a compelling story.
I think the only pro-wrestling terms I use regularly are "heel", "babyface", and "over"
I feel like everything else gets a little muddy and changed with time
I use blown up, work, and rib as much as possible bc they are funny to me
Jim should have milked Brian's classic one liner around 9:27 for way more laughs!🥛😂B.W.
"over"
Prelim. Bum = no name wrestler or jobber.
Why I prefer the term "starmaker."😎B.W.
Cornette teaches me how not to get old.
Words change.
Lol. You're right. I don't get why people using colloquialisms "improperly" matters in the least to ANYTHING. It's nice from a historical view of HOW they change.
Maybe it's an old man trying to struggle to push content in a time where there isnt much for him to talk about. Is that what I'm to get?
Shibboleths tend not to change. Thats kinda important to them working.
Words only "change" typically due to misuse or ignorance. Language is malleable enough that the misuse of words shouldn't be necessary.
"Milk it" isn't wrestling terminology. It is English.
The last two minutes are phenomenal in an already awesome video.
looking at the comments, so many people still misunderstand one or two of these despite them being clearly explained...
Jim's respect and passion for wrestling is amazing. He has dedicated his life to the business and he wont allow someone to shit on it without telling them to go fuck themselves. Thank you Jim for standing up for wrestling.
Joe Rogan had a pretty interesting convo about kayfabe in a recent podcast. His guest wrote a paper on it.
Patrick Boian who was he on with?
Junior Saucedo some guy named weinstein it’s about 1:01:00 in and its a recent episode
Could Corny do an entire show as Ernie Ladd please?
This was awesome! It feels like I'm at that match.
They should do a Ernie Ladd omnibus. Love Cornette's impression
Wasn’t it Randy Savage who really pushed the entire choreographed planed march? DDP was said to be famous for it as well, doing nothing on the fly.
I think so he laid out his match at wm3 so by at least 87 that way of working was becoming more common
In the uk we say to "powder out".
he hit HHH with a lawn mower lmao
"but swerves and hits Triple H with a lawn mover.." Jim Cornette channeling New Jack
Holy Shit Jim, you nailed my exact problem with current product (all wrestling has this problem it's like the gorram 'Rona) Ricochet and Seth Rollins specifically have this problem, they don't make anything look like a struggle. It's too fluid, no effort, I personally blame Shawn Michaels and all his goofy shit.
Take a powder means - give me a Bump
Even if you order his comic, you won't get it for a while. Diamond, the company that ships for pretty much every comic publisher, blew up only two weeks into the quarantine and is still in shambles it likely will never recover from. In order to protect the stores, all of the indies, including IDW, aren't putting out product until Diamond sorts itself out. To think poor business practices would have crippled the comic book industry during a pandemic faster than pro wrestling.
ha! youre an idiot
@@videohound701 How else you think I spot like minds?
@Joe Greene people listening to wrestling podcasts aren't really in the position to call others "neckbeards"
@@alexanderdamm1525 Joe Geene is always heeling it up! Let him be.. I see him everywhere I go.. Just like you are the Babyface right now..
@Joe Greene Even though you wrong but I did laugh at your comment.. LMFAO 😂😂😂
What Jim explained was the reason I loved Wrestling!! Goddamn I hate Sports Entertainment bullshit!!!!!!!
It isn't just wrestling terminology that's been changed over the years., Language in general is an organic creature, growing and changing as it goes along, you notice this not only in words but in all areas of communication. For instance, the word "Gay" once meant Happy and now it means Homosexual, another example would be Spanish, you listen to someone from Spain talking from someone from Mexico, technically they're both talking in Spanish but over the centuries it's almost two separate languages. So yeah, wrestling terminology has changed too
Jim's Big Cat and Brian's Moxley. Just 5 minutes. That would be one for the ages.
There are two terms (moves) that I wish I knew the names of (if they have names):
1.When a heel thinks he did something smart and taps the side of his head, showing the crowd that he is smart. He then turns around to be clobbered by the babyface.
2.During a tag team match, a heel is knocked silly and mistakenly goes to the wrong corner to tag out, only to be hit by the babyface.
The first ought to be known as "The Heenan Sell." Because early on Bobby Heenan was renowned for pantomime moves such as that. The second in honor of John Lennon "Instant Karma" (also the name of a guy in Kevin Sullivan's faction in early 1980s Florida).B.W.
Damm I use "milk it "as in let's take are time on this job or project
Milk it for all it's worth.
I've always known the term to mean "to make the most of something" so it could make sense in your context with that in mind.
What are you, a mechanic?
The term " milking the clock" is popular among hourly workers. Same meaning.
Jim used "hey, rube!" incorrectly during the second part of his explanation SMH. "Hey, rube!" isn't a fight, and I'm putting the comma in for a reason. "Hey, rube!" can be shouted when a fight kicks off between carnival folk and locals, to ellicit help from ther other carnies, yes, but it doesn't mean there's a fight every time.
Really enjoyed this episode. Thanks
Huh. Weird. Over here (Scotland) we use "milk it" all the time. If someone is delaying something (especially when getting praise/applause) we say they're "milking it" and also if say a football/soccer player rolls around theatrically after being fouled trying to sell an "injury" then we'll say they're "milking it" too. So not sure what Cornette means by "nobody understands "milk it" anymore" because over here *ANYBODY* would get what you mean by it. Guess in America it's been lost to time..?
Jim sounds just like Ernie!
“Taking a powder” is still commonly used, at least I think so by the smart fans. Stone Cold often throws that one out in his podcasts.
"Hey Rube" was also the name of a weekly column on the now defunct Page 2 of the ESPN website, written by none other than the late, great Hunter S. Thompson.
I wonder if Jim watched the broken skull session with Flair, and if he did what he thinks about Flair thinking they have lost the art of the sell.
I'm sure Cornette would agree since he EXCLAIMS in every review of modern wrestling that they don't have any psychology and they don't know how to sell.
@@Justin-bo5pg Oh absolutely, I would just be interested to see him expound upon it.
I wish i could sit down and watch wrestling with you. It would be awesome to be around you and see how you work.
😍
I've incorporated 'selling' when it comes to a prank, so basically telling someone who's in on the joke to 'sell it'. Don't give me away by laughing or knowing it was coming, me doing it, et al.
We listen to jim every night, I love his old school take on present day stuff, hes probley part of a dying breed which is sad, I love when he just gets going, F bombs and all, I dig him.
Judge Judy still uses Who Shot John often.
I'd have paid good money to see a Lesnar/Angle Business Match.
i learned what a Rube was from Hannibal Lecter .....pure west virginia
I think most people know what "milking" something is lol
We Want More!!!
Why does that art of Ernie Ladd look like Venus Flytrap from WKRP?
I always heard a who shot John used to describe a pain medicine injection
21:16 - 22:13 ..... I would give anything to hear that narrative that was given to the workers for some of the great matches of all time. As in, let me hear the narrative from the blindfold match at WM VII . Or, let me hear the narrative from the first ever hell in a cell from badd blood '97. Just man, how cool would it be to have access to that!
There's just too much who shot John these days, maaan.
The policeman explanation was pretty cool. It makes sense, but I wonder how many times the promoters paid the policemen to turn against the champions?
Ernie Ladd was/is my godfather... He got him down lol
Misinformation also happens in wrestling terminology.
11:10. I love this man.
Just Brilliant. Genius
wasn't it who hit john? always heard it on John Wayne movies in reference to liquor.
Was Windham's heel turn a swerve?
If more wrestlers had the amount of passion and respect for the business, wrestling would be much better off. The lack if respect for wrestling by the talent today is appalling. It used to be that most guys in the business had a certain level of respect for it that just isnt there anymore. Its a real shame.
20:49 Awesome
Milk It drillbit, Milk it.
John Pesek was a policeman
@20:45
And this is the dream i live for
What makes a mark a mark?
I've heard them all, but have never heard "Hey Rube", except that Rube meaning like an unsophisticated, and naive or dumb person. Having had worked for a carnival, I can attest to one rule that the "no one who works for the carnival has a last name", indeed most have nicknames, the quickest way to be lied to is to ask a carnie their name. Ive never heard "who shot John?", either, come to think of it.
These days, "business match" may not get the right response, but guys know what you mean if you say "semi competitive"...well they did, even that's starting to get away from them.
Hooker is a term that has changed several times over the course of wrestling, from catch as catch can all the way to whatever you want to call AEW's 'sports based' program.
I can’t find the novel
Jim makes us marks damn proud to be fans of this "sport". lolol...
Does Brain ever disagree with Jim? Whenever I watch one of these it's always " yes Jim, oh your right Jim, whatever you say Jim"
His name is Brian not Brain.
@@stevenmiller7747 you showed me
Language evolves over time. There's a lot of words that mean something totally different than they did twenty or thirty years ago. It only makes sense that wrestling terms would be subject to this trend as well.
For sure. Apple once meant any offspring, inc fruit. A dog was a breed of hound. And any animal being hunted was a deer
Etymology...
I grew up watching wrasslin’. If I want to call political activists a bunch of marks, I’m gonna.
a broadway match ?
WHAT'S A JAHBRONI?
@@admwalkgmailcom OH YOU MEAN LIKE THE MULKEY BROTHERS FROM BACK IN THE OLD N.W.A. DAYS. RIGHT, RIGHT, GOT IT.
@@admwalkgmailcom OH CRAP I JUST TOLD MY AGE! YEAH IM THAT OLD! LOL!
Don't figure me into the ballyhoo of the who shot John if it turns into a hey rube. I'll be forced to take a powder. We were working a business match. I ain't selling like I'm headed to the electric chair for the man with cape on cuz he's Superman with no policeman.
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But, l thought this was representing real life...
Cultural history
Ballyhoo isn't that a line from the theme to the Patty Duke Show?
Corny’s Ernie Ladd impression never disappoints. It so priceless
Wanted to like your comment but its already on the perfect number and I wouldn't wanna dumb myself out of the YT comments section.
Cornette’s knowledge never fails to astound.
where did he get a lawnmower, see thats what happens when the ref doesnt check for forgien objects
Didn't Warrior cut a promo where he talked about training for a match by letting someone run over him with a lawnmower? lol...
I loved how he said that so nonchalantly like it was a commonly used foreign object
Excuse me, that's International object!
That's racist they're called International Objects.
@@georgejackson4426 those dirty foreign objects taking the place of our domestic objects
Idk why but I’m fascinated by the
“carny talk/terms” it’s like a lost art of the wrestling business. I feel like us fans use more carny terms than the wrestlers themselves do today.
Linguistics is a fascinating subject. Shibboleths, and how each subculture integrates their own, are especially interesting.
Yes and I hate it, especially the aew fans.. They talk as if they have been in the business for years.
@@Yamah12a - It has nothing to do with AEW vs WWE. It’s something that has permeated into the entire internet wrestling community. ECW, WCW & WWF fans back in the early 90’s used it too.
It’s because the marks are in the ring instead of the seats
@@zlinedavid - This is true but I mean what can you expect when in 2022/2023 the “marks” are the only ones that want to get into the wrestling business
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"Ding, ding, ding, the bell rings..."
Never enough Big Cat stories, Jim and Brian, never enough.
I’m such a mark for the corny drive thru .
Yeah, I am too.. I Mark out when I see the videos pop up on my notifications..
Stop tryin to sound cool by saying Mark....you’re an idiot
@@Sabbathbloodysabbath666 Shut up ya mark, you're no gatekeeper
Jim Cornette is the best storyteller since my Grandmother.... God rest her soul
Rip
RIP
"Who shot John" should be "who hired Russo" now
Worst term ever going public is "mark". Now everyone who has no argument just throws it around like it makes them one of the boys.
Next time I'm in public and someone gets within 6feet of me I'm going to scream "Hey Rube!" at them. Just to see what happens.
They will probably tell you to "put your tampon back in, Karen", or simply tell you to stay home if you are afraid of being around people as if there is an Ebola or bubonic plague outbreak.
The Rock didnt kill "jabroni"...granted, he made it a more known term, but Hulk Hogan was the one who has driven it into the ground over the last 20 years after the Rock made it cool. I never heard Hogan use the term until after the Rock, now he says it every chance he gets.
Rock had gotten the term from hearing Sheiky Baby use it while Rock was training to become a wrestler.
I'm sure Sheiky didn't invent it, but he's used it quite a bit himself.
Just like how Rock got the idea of his promo style by borrowing from Austin Idol
Because brother was overkilled
Don't work yourself into a shoot,jabroni
Jabroni. Cool word!👏
@@amongstthemasses3097 LOL!!!! You will be costing me money brother..
I know that's the Big Cat, but that looks like early 2000s Donovan McNabb in the thumbnail too.
i am unpretty. but famous.
Ahhh a new one to get me through another 25 mins of night shift!
Milk it means - stretching it out
A phrase that is applicable beyond just wrestling. Mostly in workplaces with union labor who get paid by the hour.