I miss little heel things like hair pulling, rope burn, stomping/stepping on the limbs (only Orton does that now), pulling on the nose, a simple abdominal stretch (and then the face gets out by hip tossing the heel), heels having a shoving contest with the ref.
And let's not forget the old tights-pulling, and feet on the ropes, and all the unfair pinning advantages too. But yeah I wholeheartedly agree your point. Wrestling died a long time ago. I'll start watching again when rises from the grave again. If 30 dives into a crowd of bunched up people waiting to catch you is your thing; if kicking out of 15 F5s is your thing; if watching them do a bunch of moves _at_ each other without any selling or psychology is your thing.... ... well, then I'm happy for you, because you're getting what you want these days - but I also feel sorry for you, because you're missing out on an actual decent wrestling match
@@darknesswinter0085 with the punches, they were open hand, and usually done as a transition to soften the opponent up. The tombstone as a finisher works, because A. It was done after inflicting enough punishment, and B. In real life, if someone had you upside down with your head pointed to the ground, you wouldnt try to struggle and make it worse. Todays wrestlers almost ALL look like they are waiting for their spot, whether its tag teams waiting on the floor outside, holding each others hands on the top rope, and overall not selling with their faces, they make it look way too obvious that they are just waiting to get their shit in, not reacting like its a fight.
Education from a guy that still hasn't figured out that his contribution to wrestling was nothing more then a sports jacket, tennis racket, and an innate ability at bad booking
@@mikelachey824 damn lmaooooooo savage. Jim Cornette had a lasting impact on the business and he’s very well respected, why do you hate on him so much man?
When you have wrestlers valuing the opinion of Dave Meltzer over longtime vets like Mike Mondo, Rip Rogers, Ricky Morton and Tom Prichard, you know you have a problem in this industry.
@@duckmercy11 So I guess NBA announcers should start coaching NBA teams? Listen, I don’t care how much wrestling you watch I will always value the opinion of the guys who have done it and experienced wrestling.
Considering that some AEW talent, including The Elite, won't listen to producers and agents, I doubt there's gonna be logic within the promotion when Tony is the one booking it.
Cena remembered that Hot Tag rule. He had a dark match with the Mysterios against the Bloodline where Dominic milked the tag for ages. So it was a huge pop when he finally got it.
See that's the problem with some of Jim cornett's followers they like himself like to prop up the people that were his friends or closest confidants during his days if mikimando was as great as Jim says he is he would have caught on with any promotion anywhere and he hasn't called Ziegler hasn't had a problem making the Spirit squad gimmick work for him and making money after the fact so we're blaming the Spirit squad for something that it definitely wasn't it was their lack of charisma and being able to get over in front of a large audience.
@@mikescott8903 Mike Mondo is just correct with the fundamentals of pro wrestling. Not saying he was a super star with charisma. No one really is. Guys from the 80s, 90s and early 00s that were no where near as athletic as guys now, those older guys were way more charismatic than guys now, that can flip and fly. The reason why a fraction of people watch pro wrestling now, compared to back in the day.
Shouldn't they listen to a guy who doesnt have a hard time getting employed in the business, because his booking skills have down damage to promotion that never recovered from his inability to actually grasp and display, what he just loves to talk about. LOL The difference between groupies and knowledgeable wrestling fans. We deal with the facts that groupies never bother to look at, while they are throwing their pom poms up into the air. This man chases ambulances, for attention. Always has. Hasn't been able to find employment since he was fired for his embarrassing booking skills in ROH, or should I say lack of booking skills.
That is a life lesson that we all learn...or don't...through pain, preferably someone else's pain. You are always better off knowing HOW to think than knowing WHAT to think. Teaching logic and psychology is teaching HOW. Teaching a moonsault or a suicide dive is teaching WHAT. Teach a man to fish and all that, right?
@@jeremyhearne3499 It's even worse really when you realize he has an epic crap ton of people already employed that have experience in doing this, but he won't get out of his own way.
@@maxxdahl6062 I hear that. When he made the ROH announcement I was hoping he'd relinquish the AEW booking and try to elevate things to that next level. When it's good it's great, but there's plenty of swings and misses.
I may be biased because Pat Buck was the one who broke me into the business back in 2013, but he's a very good trainer. I can confirm that most of the drills that we did were the ones that were done in OVW and are done in the Performance Center as well. Alot of Rip Rogers drills and focus on psychology. I broke in with Bear Boulder and was Bear Country's manager on the indies. Besides Bear Boulder and Bear Bronson, MJF, Max Caster, Anthony Bowens, and Kris Statlander all broke in at Pat's WrestlePro/Create-a-Pro school.
Mondo was responding to my question on The Hot Tag🔥🔥🔥🔥. Watch RKBRO’s last two matches and see Orton’s hand on fire waiting for the tag and the crowd erupts. Pro.
It's crazy to me that Jim cornette gets a bad rap for talking about the business he grew up in... as much as jim knows it blows my mind that no one has him running creative or a developmental system... I want jim to train me!!!
He is too honest and won't sugarcoat what he says. Unfortunately Vince McMahon and Tony Khan will only surround themselves with ass kissing yesmen instead of someone who will tell them the truth. And that is why Cornette is out of the business
Every member of NXT 2.0 and the entire AEW roster needs to take in this logic, but most won't because some guy who hands out "star ratings" has convinced them they are the greatest wrestlers of all time already.
@@chrischar9428 well MJF is the best heel AEW has, Hook is Taz' son, Kris Statlander is I think that female wrestler in AEW with the stupid alien gimmick, bear country are a tag team in impact I think and the acclaimed are...actually I have no fucking clue, but it's safe to assume they're either a former WWE tag team that went to AEW or are an AEW 'original'
It's sad "always be working" has to even be said, much less "when you step through the curtain and when you step back out". "Grab holds with intent." "Grab more holds." "Two most important matches on the card are the first match and the last match"...are these seriously things professional wrestlers don't know? "Tweener" I get, that's something guys argue about regularly, but most of the rest is worrying.
Agree with everything but the “tweener”. Fans have the power to change you from heel to babyface and vice-versa. If the change isn’t a quick turn then you are a tweener. Team Taz is the perfect example. There are also bad examples, like Penta. The Blackpool Combat Club are also tweeners.
You notice that the business has never been as lucrative as it was before tweener characters were commonly promoted. Sure, there are many other factors for that decline, but I’d say that tweeners have as much to do with it as the spot monkeys throwing themselves through tables. At the end of the day, people generally want clear-cut heels and babyfaces to hate and rally behind, respectively.
There is a common denominator for all these guys you mentioned. These are some of the biggest stars in the business, EVER! The vast majority of pro wrestlers in the business will never reach those heights, so developing a straight face or heel character is a safer career move.
I wish wrestlers would win with high-impact moves that are not their finisher. Like a superplex, powerbomb, piledriver etc. The only finishes now-a--days are finishing moves and surprise roll-ups. It would add suspense to the match if wrestlers started winning with a tornado ddt out of nowhere or a sit down powerbomb, that way the fans will never know when the match will end instead of only the "finishing moves" ending the match.
I know exactly what you mean. I once sat on the second turnbuckle, with Bullet Bob on the apron holding me in a sleeper while Scott Armstrong pinned my partner with an absolutely beautiful Oklahoma roll. I literally had the best seat in the house for that move, and I shan't forget it even if I live to be 200. Also from the ring apron I have witnessed Adrian Street executing that gorgeous crucifix he does.
I fully agree with this. Finisher or roll up is the only finishes I’ve seen in forever. It makes everything in between worthless. I get so tired of watching wrestlers hit one of their signature non-finishes,only to look shocked when it gets a 2 count every single time.
I’ve been watching the start of the attitude era circa 1997 and their was just a recent match that ended with literally a punch. An elbow from the top rope ends matches, 450 splashes and all the indie moves are just coming to prominence and done by like one person on the mid card. It’s really refreshing.
Honestly I agree. Everytime someone hits a random move that’s not their finisher like a powerbomb or suplerplex you just know that the other one is going to kick out
the problem is that nowadays we've reached a point where there is an oversaturation of everything wrestling related. wrestlers go through the motions and only the finish sets most matches apart. not even that tbh since we see a roll up finish like 10 times a week. we've seen the hot tag a million times and I personally am sick and tired of it. nothing feels special anymore. that's one of the reasons I stopped actively watching weeklies. that and the fact that 99% of storylines suck and all the screentime is given to people I don't wanna see
Tempo...its all about tempo. Pacing the match and allowing for moves and spots to breathe. When you don't allow for it to register to the fans, then you can keep them on the ride. When you speed through it one after the next, the audience gets bored because it's white noise at that point.
Those tweets Jim were reading were all so obvious. I'm not a wrestler and have never trained to be one or have been involved in any wrestling show ever but 90% of that stuff was obvious to me strictly from being a fan. So why are today's wrestlers so resistant to this stuff? Usually people resist stuff that is difficult or unpleasant to do. But most of today's wrestlers are really athletic and can do difficult moves and are willing to take crazy unpleasant bumps. So they're doubling down on working harder and resisting working smarter, which doesn't even make sense from either a laziness or incompetence perspective. If guys were just working two minute punch and kick matches and didn't want to do anything beyond that I could get it. But they would rather backflip off ladders then work headlocks which is baffling in its stupidity.
I love this list so much. When you listen to this you want to grab a checklist to see what is done during an event. Then again we might as well throw the list away since it would be of no use today
Hearing Brian Last facepalming during the Codecademy promo is, as the kids would say, "giving me life". Also, Corny saying "you could become a Marine Biologist!" confirms that the ad is a Jojo reference.
I can tell from Jim’s tone early on in this clip that he is happy about this transaction and is giving Tony Khan and AEW a little bit of praise here for doing “the right thing”
"Only on the big show" If a thing has impact that impact is multiplied by the number of people seeing it. So you get the maximum impact either by doing something over and over and over on small shows (without repeating in front of the same audience) or only on the big show. In today's world that basically means only on the big show. I am not in the industry and I don't know any more about wrestling than anyone else, but I understand logic and reason and I understand why "only on the big show" is the only thing that makes sense.
Jim’s description of the different types of people in businesses at about 2 minutes is spot on. I see it everyday in my profession of radio broadcasting.
Unfortunately this doesn't matter anymore because everyone is in on how wrestling works. The guys in the ring are working together (in most cases anyways 😮💨...) to make the matches look good and to get over with the crowd. This would of been good information to have say 25 years ago before they really ruined it permanently. Now it's over and wrestling will probably never reach the highs it did before. Because everyone is in on it.
@@zerken6151 Simple logic. It always blows my mind when people think wrestling is dead for this reason alone. Like, no, people were smart back then too and loved it because it didn’t insult their intelligence so they could get behind it
@@juliotorres3147 Well to be fair , everyone in 1985 knew wrestling was a real fight. Hogan and Andre sold 94,000 tickets at Mania three because Vince ran wrestling like the UFC . But then , Vince didn't want to deal with state athletic regulations anymore so he SECRETLY created a special secret locker room language and by the nineties he changed it to a circus 🎪 without anyone's knowledge. It was such an American tragedy because Hogan and Piper and Paul Ordorff and Mr. T had legit fisticuffs at Wrestlemania one but by Wrestlemania seven the CIA launched an investigation and discovered Sargent Slaughter really didn't work for Iraq and after a six month investigation it was revealed that Col. Mustafa was really just the Iron Shiek. That was the day my childhood ended. 😢
This is absolutely wrong. At the point Wrestling became scripted (early 1920s) it was already clear how it’s going to end up. More and more people are going to know but its impossible to create the expression that a scripted fight is real. That’s not what pro wrestling is suppose to be and never was. That’s why there is Amateur Wrestling (real wrestling) or Boxing, Mma etc.
There is no logic in wrestling for me. At the moment i watch a wrestling show i try to turn my brain off for the moment and see people who, most of the time, hate each other fight. I want to hate the heel and see him getting his teeth kicked in. Sadly, many of todays shows make this impossible for me since i can't overlook some cooperation. At the moment the Young Bucks try to dunk a basketball while doing their tag team maneuvers... well it just ruins what i am hoping for in Wrestling.
The smallest things can get over way more than the big flashy shit. Guys don't seem to get that anymore. I got a bigger reaction from an armdrag in a match than another guy got from a moonsault in his match. Facial expression and body language from you and your oppt. is 90% of what you get...moves do NOT matter but guys seem to think they need 1000 moves and 1000 bumps to get a reaction. I can take 3 bumps in 1 match as a babyface and get a better reaction. Moves don't tell the story,
Probably the best insult I've ever seen Corny deliver: There's 2 camps: 1. The flippy dippy indyrific acrobat "wrestling's evolved" camp And 2. The trained the right way, know how to work and draw solid camp.
I tend to enjoy the unrealistic fast-paced spot-fests more than the work a body part for 10 minutes stuff, but I do miss a lot of the old-school wrestling promos that I don't see much of anymore.
If Tony’s trying to get the right guys, thats good. That’s means his realizes his product needs it, hopefully this hire improves the quality because we need AEW to prosper just to have more options to watch wrestling and give more wrestlers more opportunities
This is roughly where I am. AEW’s much more watchable now than it was two years ago, even though I still get exhausted an hour in and usually need to finish it later. There’s enough wrestling talent, now there just needs to be enough authoritative backstage folks to whip them into line. Honestly, losing Cody and Omega recuperating has been a quiet boon (especially since the EVP titles have been shown to be more ceremonial than authoritative). The Elite booking themselves into total annoyance killed AEW’s strongest growth potential their first two years or so. The more experienced names able to get Tony’s ear, the less crap has been on-screen. It’s still exhausting, but at least more of it has been watchable week to week.
Codecademy OMNIBUS is going to be the greatest piece of any media in the history of mankind. I swear it could be marketed as the most potent antidepressant on the planet, every single one of them is top quality comedy.
"When did 'resthold' become a common term?" Probably when Yokozuna was champ and most of his matches were him doing a nerve pinch for 5 minutes of a 7 minute match. To me that's what "resthold" means, just grabbing a hold for 5 seconds to catch your breath or figure out the next spot isn't a resthold. A resthold is laying in some terrible looking hold for minutes on end because you're too fat/blown up/shitty to do anything else.
Jim…. Go work for AEW and manage FTR already for Christ sakes… Kahn is clearly releasing and phasing out any goofiness and has an incredible roster that are way more high level and serious… we got Danielson in six-man tags mid card right now and it’s justifiable… Manage FTR.
There are a few talented wrestlers who put the work in to tell psychologically sound stories with their matches and angles. They are few and far between though.
Pat Buck (and Curt Hawkins) trained MJF - let that sink in, they produced guy is the most old-school new-school kid with the brightest future with high high ceiling
Flying home from Atlanta when the mask mandate was removed. The pilot said on the P.A. : You're mine now, bitches, it's MAGA time ! Every passenger was made to sign a blood oath to Trump on a Confederate flag. And then they called me homophobic names. I am very traumatized.
One of the most illogical things I ever saw was Josh Stroud chasing this heel that had called him the n-word. The heel ran into the ridiculously flimsy plywood "dressing room" that had been tacked up in the corner of this old shop building. Stroud beat on the door, obviously trying not to beat the damn thing down, and the entire "dressing room" structure shaking violently, despite Stroud's efforts. That tiny wrestling in that tiny town featured Action Mike Jackson, Raging Bull Randy Barber, Juicy Johnny, and the late great David Baker, plus occasional appearances by Ginger the Bear.
well, Baron Corbin have been on the main roster for like 5 years and just this Wrestlemania Drew McIntyre was the first to kick out of his finish - at least that's what they sold
Most aew of not half that aew fans like it bc it's not wwe. They keep hiring wwe guys that will use what worked for them in wwe making aew the new tna.
When Jim starts a part of discussing something, states the situation, then starts with "-sigh-, Agaaain" you know its gonna be good.
Aint that the truth.... "ahhh again"
Usually means buckle in, we’re going to unpack some shit here 😂
I’ve always liked the “oh, dear god” lol 😂
Hawwwwwwwwwwwww!!…..
That’s my cue to go pour a glass of bourbon and sit down to enjoy this one
The way Brian has to put disclaimers on Jim's advertisements is golden and unprecedented.
Hey, dad
I'm dying!!🤣🤣🤣
Sometimes he just gives up.LOL
It's the Monsoon/Heenan routine.
I imagine Brian fields calls from the sponsors "no I can't control him he just goes off"
I miss little heel things like hair pulling, rope burn, stomping/stepping on the limbs (only Orton does that now), pulling on the nose, a simple abdominal stretch (and then the face gets out by hip tossing the heel), heels having a shoving contest with the ref.
You're telling me you don't love 30 suicide dives and no selling?
And let's not forget the old tights-pulling, and feet on the ropes, and all the unfair pinning advantages too.
But yeah I wholeheartedly agree your point. Wrestling died a long time ago. I'll start watching again when rises from the grave again.
If 30 dives into a crowd of bunched up people waiting to catch you is your thing; if kicking out of 15 F5s is your thing; if watching them do a bunch of moves _at_ each other without any selling or psychology is your thing....
... well, then I'm happy for you, because you're getting what you want these days - but I also feel sorry for you, because you're missing out on an actual decent wrestling match
@@Highly3666 what about the 5 Canadian destroyers and the suicidaes along with the forearm smashes?
Agree. These things matter.
@@darknesswinter0085 with the punches, they were open hand, and usually done as a transition to soften the opponent up. The tombstone as a finisher works, because A. It was done after inflicting enough punishment, and B. In real life, if someone had you upside down with your head pointed to the ground, you wouldnt try to struggle and make it worse.
Todays wrestlers almost ALL look like they are waiting for their spot, whether its tag teams waiting on the floor outside, holding each others hands on the top rope, and overall not selling with their faces, they make it look way too obvious that they are just waiting to get their shit in, not reacting like its a fight.
Some people come to Jim's podcast to hear him rant. I come for the edumacation and learnin'.
And to rant...?? Be honest sir lol. jk.
cant we do both?
@@mmabuff101 i second that.
Education from a guy that still hasn't figured out that his contribution to wrestling was nothing more then a sports jacket, tennis racket, and an innate ability at bad booking
@@mikelachey824 damn lmaooooooo savage. Jim Cornette had a lasting impact on the business and he’s very well respected, why do you hate on him so much man?
When you have wrestlers valuing the opinion of Dave Meltzer over longtime vets like Mike Mondo, Rip Rogers, Ricky Morton and Tom Prichard, you know you have a problem in this industry.
Meltzer is a veteran critic. The guys you named are nobodies except maybe Morton.
@@duckmercy11 I'm pretty sure I've heard Austin talking about Tom Pritchard, more than once too.
@@duckmercy11 So I guess NBA announcers should start coaching NBA teams? Listen, I don’t care how much wrestling you watch I will always value the opinion of the guys who have done it and experienced wrestling.
@@duckmercy11 did you just say Dr. Tom and Rogers, who are the best trainers in the business, are nobody? Go watch Dark, dweeb.
@@duckmercy11 stop kissing meltzer ass you young buck lovers
This segment perfectly encapsulates the best of what Jim tries to get across, week in and week out. Preach on!
Considering that some AEW talent, including The Elite, won't listen to producers and agents, I doubt there's gonna be logic within the promotion when Tony is the one booking it.
🎶 Beat your meat. Beat beat your meat. Beat your meat. To the elite 🎶 - Dave Meltzer and the IWC
@@metalheadjake3339 th-cam.com/video/8fDMheRQLZ0/w-d-xo.html
Yeah they are gonna still do whatever the fuck they want
Kahn upsets me, because he doesn’t respect wrestling and thinks he’s clever.
Sad but true. That's why wwe has the pc. If guys are going to do what they want we will hammer all the right stuff to do that it's instinct.
Cena remembered that Hot Tag rule. He had a dark match with the Mysterios against the Bloodline where Dominic milked the tag for ages. So it was a huge pop when he finally got it.
I was there, phoenix arizona, absolutely insane and I lost my voice when I was done
They had the same match like 13 times to the buildup to Cena vs Reigns
@@Herbert_Rudolf the man knows what works, so if it ain’t broke and it ain’t on tv, don’t fix it.
@@Herbert_Rudolf SO WHAT?! YOUR GOAL AS A TOP TALENT IS PUTTING ASSES IN SEATS
A former Spirit Squad member has some of the most correct and common sense pro wrestling logic in 2022.
Dolph?
@@blancosfamilyfarm1798 no, Mike Mondo that Jim is talking about in this video.
@Veer Shanky indeed.
See that's the problem with some of Jim cornett's followers they like himself like to prop up the people that were his friends or closest confidants during his days if mikimando was as great as Jim says he is he would have caught on with any promotion anywhere and he hasn't called Ziegler hasn't had a problem making the Spirit squad gimmick work for him and making money after the fact so we're blaming the Spirit squad for something that it definitely wasn't it was their lack of charisma and being able to get over in front of a large audience.
@@mikescott8903 Mike Mondo is just correct with the fundamentals of pro wrestling. Not saying he was a super star with charisma. No one really is. Guys from the 80s, 90s and early 00s that were no where near as athletic as guys now, those older guys were way more charismatic than guys now, that can flip and fly. The reason why a fraction of people watch pro wrestling now, compared to back in the day.
The most informative 20 minutes on wrestling. Every peformer in this business should listen to this before every match.
Twice.
Shouldn't they listen to a guy who doesnt have a hard time getting employed in the business, because his booking skills have down damage to promotion that never recovered from his inability to actually grasp and display, what he just loves to talk about. LOL The difference between groupies and knowledgeable wrestling fans. We deal with the facts that groupies never bother to look at, while they are throwing their pom poms up into the air. This man chases ambulances, for attention. Always has. Hasn't been able to find employment since he was fired for his embarrassing booking skills in ROH, or should I say lack of booking skills.
That is a life lesson that we all learn...or don't...through pain, preferably someone else's pain. You are always better off knowing HOW to think than knowing WHAT to think. Teaching logic and psychology is teaching HOW. Teaching a moonsault or a suicide dive is teaching WHAT. Teach a man to fish and all that, right?
Teach a man to put on a card and he'll have one great wrestling show.
Teach a man to book wrestling, and he'll eat for life!
Now Tony needs to replace himself as booker, and we'd likely have a good thing going here.
That does seem like the logical move to make, but can TK see that past his "enthusiasm"?
@@jeremyhearne3499 Probably not.
@@maxxdahl6062 Dammit. I was hoping for some optimism there, but looks like we're both out.
@@jeremyhearne3499 It's even worse really when you realize he has an epic crap ton of people already employed that have experience in doing this, but he won't get out of his own way.
@@maxxdahl6062 I hear that. When he made the ROH announcement I was hoping he'd relinquish the AEW booking and try to elevate things to that next level. When it's good it's great, but there's plenty of swings and misses.
"I coudnt tell. Who was pitching and who was catching" - Jim Cornette
Corny is Gold 😂
Petition for Jim to make some Smoky Mountain Wrestling merch for the 30th anniversary of SMW I’d buy that up
I may be biased because Pat Buck was the one who broke me into the business back in 2013, but he's a very good trainer. I can confirm that most of the drills that we did were the ones that were done in OVW and are done in the Performance Center as well. Alot of Rip Rogers drills and focus on psychology. I broke in with Bear Boulder and was Bear Country's manager on the indies. Besides Bear Boulder and Bear Bronson, MJF, Max Caster, Anthony Bowens, and Kris Statlander all broke in at Pat's WrestlePro/Create-a-Pro school.
I haven't watched yet but Jim in a mocap suit is equally hilarious as it is telling
Mondo was responding to my question on The Hot Tag🔥🔥🔥🔥. Watch RKBRO’s last two matches and see Orton’s hand on fire waiting for the tag and the crowd erupts. Pro.
It's crazy to me that Jim cornette gets a bad rap for talking about the business he grew up in... as much as jim knows it blows my mind that no one has him running creative or a developmental system... I want jim to train me!!!
He is too honest and won't sugarcoat what he says. Unfortunately Vince McMahon and Tony Khan will only surround themselves with ass kissing yesmen instead of someone who will tell them the truth. And that is why Cornette is out of the business
@Nicholas
OVW actually pretty success.
It was failed because WWE took it away from Jim.
Preach to us Reverend Jim!
Every member of NXT 2.0 and the entire AEW roster needs to take in this logic, but most won't because some guy who hands out "star ratings" has convinced them they are the greatest wrestlers of all time already.
I wouldn’t say that for NXT 2.0. They’re learning a whole different style, namely V-Mac and his “sports entertainment”.
The “wrestlers” today have turned chops and forearm shots into a rest hold😂
Pat Buck helped train the following:
MJF
Hook
Kris Statlander
Bear Country
The Acclaimed
Who are any of them
@@chrischar9428 well MJF is the best heel AEW has, Hook is Taz' son, Kris Statlander is I think that female wrestler in AEW with the stupid alien gimmick, bear country are a tag team in impact I think and the acclaimed are...actually I have no fucking clue, but it's safe to assume they're either a former WWE tag team that went to AEW or are an AEW 'original'
@@thatonebritishidiot3037 ohhh
Mike Mondo's tweet are the best tweets to read on this twitter right now. Every wrestler should be reading his tweets
That's it. I'm going to Codecademy to learn how to disappear some mofos. I need to learn HTMLSYS and SAQRRRL or whatever Jim said. 🤔 😆😆😆
Brian having to reel Cornette in on his assumptions during the ad reads is priceless.
Jim is the greatest ever at doing reads
The promo for the Ad was great haven't laughed that hard at a ad in a long time
It's sad "always be working" has to even be said, much less "when you step through the curtain and when you step back out". "Grab holds with intent." "Grab more holds." "Two most important matches on the card are the first match and the last match"...are these seriously things professional wrestlers don't know? "Tweener" I get, that's something guys argue about regularly, but most of the rest is worrying.
Agree with everything but the “tweener”. Fans have the power to change you from heel to babyface and vice-versa. If the change isn’t a quick turn then you are a tweener. Team Taz is the perfect example. There are also bad examples, like Penta. The Blackpool Combat Club are also tweeners.
You notice that the business has never been as lucrative as it was before tweener characters were commonly promoted. Sure, there are many other factors for that decline, but I’d say that tweeners have as much to do with it as the spot monkeys throwing themselves through tables. At the end of the day, people generally want clear-cut heels and babyfaces to hate and rally behind, respectively.
@@james_the_animator yeah but…Stone Cold? The Rock?
@@NhBleker Brett Hart as a Canadian face and US heel.
Cena was a tweener for 10 years
There is a common denominator for all these guys you mentioned. These are some of the biggest stars in the business, EVER! The vast majority of pro wrestlers in the business will never reach those heights, so developing a straight face or heel character is a safer career move.
There is very little logic left in wrestling
I wish wrestlers would win with high-impact moves that are not their finisher. Like a superplex, powerbomb, piledriver etc. The only finishes now-a--days are finishing moves and surprise roll-ups. It would add suspense to the match if wrestlers started winning with a tornado ddt out of nowhere or a sit down powerbomb, that way the fans will never know when the match will end instead of only the "finishing moves" ending the match.
I know exactly what you mean. I once sat on the second turnbuckle, with Bullet Bob on the apron holding me in a sleeper while Scott Armstrong pinned my partner with an absolutely beautiful Oklahoma roll. I literally had the best seat in the house for that move, and I shan't forget it even if I live to be 200. Also from the ring apron I have witnessed Adrian Street executing that gorgeous crucifix he does.
I fully agree with this. Finisher or roll up is the only finishes I’ve seen in forever. It makes everything in between worthless. I get so tired of watching wrestlers hit one of their signature non-finishes,only to look shocked when it gets a 2 count every single time.
I’ve been watching the start of the attitude era circa 1997 and their was just a recent match that ended with literally a punch. An elbow from the top rope ends matches, 450 splashes and all the indie moves are just coming to prominence and done by like one person on the mid card. It’s really refreshing.
Honestly I agree. Everytime someone hits a random move that’s not their finisher like a powerbomb or suplerplex you just know that the other one is going to kick out
I'm going to go on Codecademy so that I can learn Hitamulcis (HTMLCSS)!
A free masterclass with Jim Cornette!👌
the problem is that nowadays we've reached a point where there is an oversaturation of everything wrestling related.
wrestlers go through the motions and only the finish sets most matches apart. not even that tbh since we see a roll up finish like 10 times a week. we've seen the hot tag a million times and I personally am sick and tired of it. nothing feels special anymore. that's one of the reasons I stopped actively watching weeklies. that and the fact that 99% of storylines suck and all the screentime is given to people I don't wanna see
Watch Stardom.
@@duckmercy11 not my cup of tea. I will give njpw a try after my break though. better than the alternatives although even they got stale lately
Tempo...its all about tempo. Pacing the match and allowing for moves and spots to breathe. When you don't allow for it to register to the fans, then you can keep them on the ride. When you speed through it one after the next, the audience gets bored because it's white noise at that point.
Screw finishers. We need Fatalities apparently
Those tweets Jim were reading were all so obvious. I'm not a wrestler and have never trained to be one or have been involved in any wrestling show ever but 90% of that stuff was obvious to me strictly from being a fan. So why are today's wrestlers so resistant to this stuff? Usually people resist stuff that is difficult or unpleasant to do. But most of today's wrestlers are really athletic and can do difficult moves and are willing to take crazy unpleasant bumps. So they're doubling down on working harder and resisting working smarter, which doesn't even make sense from either a laziness or incompetence perspective. If guys were just working two minute punch and kick matches and didn't want to do anything beyond that I could get it. But they would rather backflip off ladders then work headlocks which is baffling in its stupidity.
I love this list so much. When you listen to this you want to grab a checklist to see what is done during an event. Then again we might as well throw the list away since it would be of no use today
God bless Mike Mondo. Gotta follow him on Twitter.
Finishing Moves don’t finish as often, it’s sad. Especially how they’ve made the Superkick worthless. . .
Powerbombs, piledrivers, DDTs, top-rope splashes, etc
Jim Cornette is the very best ad guy ever.
Hearing Brian Last facepalming during the Codecademy promo is, as the kids would say, "giving me life".
Also, Corny saying "you could become a Marine Biologist!" confirms that the ad is a Jojo reference.
I can tell from Jim’s tone early on in this clip that he is happy about this transaction and is giving Tony Khan and AEW a little bit of praise here for doing “the right thing”
"Only on the big show"
If a thing has impact that impact is multiplied by the number of people seeing it. So you get the maximum impact either by doing something over and over and over on small shows (without repeating in front of the same audience) or only on the big show. In today's world that basically means only on the big show. I am not in the industry and I don't know any more about wrestling than anyone else, but I understand logic and reason and I understand why "only on the big show" is the only thing that makes sense.
Don’t be so hard on yourself, you know more than Russo
Law of Diminishing Returns. It's a fact of life and most people ignore it.
Jim’s description of the different types of people in businesses at about 2 minutes is spot on. I see it everyday in my profession of radio broadcasting.
It really is amazing that Dolph Ziggler got over despite the Spirit Squad and being Kerwin White's caddy.
Unfortunately this doesn't matter anymore because everyone is in on how wrestling works. The guys in the ring are working together (in most cases anyways 😮💨...) to make the matches look good and to get over with the crowd. This would of been good information to have say 25 years ago before they really ruined it permanently. Now it's over and wrestling will probably never reach the highs it did before. Because everyone is in on it.
Are movies ruined as well because everyone knows its scripted and the good guy is going to win at the end?
@@zerken6151 Simple logic. It always blows my mind when people think wrestling is dead for this reason alone. Like, no, people were smart back then too and loved it because it didn’t insult their intelligence so they could get behind it
@@juliotorres3147 Well to be fair , everyone in 1985 knew wrestling was a real fight. Hogan and Andre sold 94,000 tickets at Mania three because Vince ran wrestling like the UFC . But then , Vince didn't want to deal with state athletic regulations anymore so he SECRETLY created a special secret locker room language and by the nineties he changed it to a circus 🎪 without anyone's knowledge. It was such an American tragedy because Hogan and Piper and Paul Ordorff and Mr. T had legit fisticuffs at Wrestlemania one but by Wrestlemania seven the CIA launched an investigation and discovered Sargent Slaughter really didn't work for Iraq and after a six month investigation it was revealed that Col. Mustafa was really just the Iron Shiek. That was the day my childhood ended. 😢
This is absolutely wrong. At the point Wrestling became scripted (early 1920s) it was already clear how it’s going to end up. More and more people are going to know but its impossible to create the expression that a scripted fight is real. That’s not what pro wrestling is suppose to be and never was. That’s why there is Amateur Wrestling (real wrestling) or Boxing, Mma etc.
@@jeffmac9642 you think wresting jargon was created in the 90’s by Vince? Holy hell… get off the drugs.
There is no logic in wrestling for me. At the moment i watch a wrestling show i try to turn my brain off for the moment and see people who, most of the time, hate each other fight. I want to hate the heel and see him getting his teeth kicked in.
Sadly, many of todays shows make this impossible for me since i can't overlook some cooperation. At the moment the Young Bucks try to dunk a basketball while doing their tag team maneuvers... well it just ruins what i am hoping for in Wrestling.
Pretty sure we heard Brian facepalm.....I'm dyin!!
“Some of these need an asterisk by em * NOT APPLICABLE IN AEW * “ 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 the corpse ref.
I love how Brian's hardest job is trying to keep jim from getting them sued by their own sponsors XD
During the AD spots I just imagine Bryan shaking his head the entire time thinking they are gonna sue us
I'd rather hear about the logic behind Mae Young & the Hand 👋👋👋
Long Term Storytelling, it grew up to appear on Wrestlemania 38 to beat up Sami Zayn.
@@ichneumon2776 holy shit. I'm dead. Well-played. WELL-PLAYED.
The smallest things can get over way more than the big flashy shit. Guys don't seem to get that anymore. I got a bigger reaction from an armdrag in a match than another guy got from a moonsault in his match. Facial expression and body language from you and your oppt. is 90% of what you get...moves do NOT matter but guys seem to think they need 1000 moves and 1000 bumps to get a reaction. I can take 3 bumps in 1 match as a babyface and get a better reaction. Moves don't tell the story,
Probably the best insult I've ever seen Corny deliver:
There's 2 camps:
1. The flippy dippy indyrific acrobat "wrestling's evolved" camp
And
2. The trained the right way, know how to work and draw solid camp.
I tend to enjoy the unrealistic fast-paced spot-fests more than the work a body part for 10 minutes stuff, but I do miss a lot of the old-school wrestling promos that I don't see much of anymore.
If Tony’s trying to get the right guys, thats good. That’s means his realizes his product needs it, hopefully this hire improves the quality because we need AEW to prosper just to have more options to watch wrestling and give more wrestlers more opportunities
This is roughly where I am. AEW’s much more watchable now than it was two years ago, even though I still get exhausted an hour in and usually need to finish it later. There’s enough wrestling talent, now there just needs to be enough authoritative backstage folks to whip them into line.
Honestly, losing Cody and Omega recuperating has been a quiet boon (especially since the EVP titles have been shown to be more ceremonial than authoritative). The Elite booking themselves into total annoyance killed AEW’s strongest growth potential their first two years or so. The more experienced names able to get Tony’s ear, the less crap has been on-screen.
It’s still exhausting, but at least more of it has been watchable week to week.
That opening he was struggling so hard to complement the bucks and Kenny
Props to him, it was hard to get those words out lol
21:01 OK I'm completely done after hearing JIM completely destroy the word HTML5 😂 I swear these sponsors
This is the only TH-cam channel where people don’t complain about all the ads, in fact we actually look forward to them. Cornette beat the internet
I really hope there's someone compiling all of Corny's pitch jobs and are using them to teach advertising. These ads are freakin' hilarious!
Codecademy OMNIBUS is going to be the greatest piece of any media in the history of mankind.
I swear it could be marketed as the most potent antidepressant on the planet, every single one of them is top quality comedy.
The ad omnibus is pretty sweet.
TK need to hear this gem 💎
"When did 'resthold' become a common term?"
Probably when Yokozuna was champ and most of his matches were him doing a nerve pinch for 5 minutes of a 7 minute match. To me that's what "resthold" means, just grabbing a hold for 5 seconds to catch your breath or figure out the next spot isn't a resthold. A resthold is laying in some terrible looking hold for minutes on end because you're too fat/blown up/shitty to do anything else.
Um.. no.. sorry thats not the only definitive answer for resthold bro.. exactly what you said isn't a rest hold is what a resthold is..
You've just reminded me of a Savio Vega match where 90% of it was him doing a nerve hold.
What you are describing happened for decades before yokozuna so.....no. not even close.
@@MrSniperfox29 LOL, I think I remember that match. One of the B PPVs, right?
Davey Boy was also known for abusing the rest holds 😬
That Rip Rogers impression was fuckin fantastic and perfect
Awesome Shoot Today Jim!!😎🐐🐐
Jim…. Go work for AEW and manage FTR already for Christ sakes… Kahn is clearly releasing and phasing out any goofiness and has an incredible roster that are way more high level and serious… we got Danielson in six-man tags mid card right now and it’s justifiable…
Manage FTR.
Best ad read ever!
It's crazy because i spent my whole life thinking this shit was common sense...
The Ads are always on point!
I always wonder if the companies hear them and what their real time response is/would be! Lol
If I ever need to pay for any advertising, it’s going to be here.
There are a few talented wrestlers who put the work in to tell psychologically sound stories with their matches and angles. They are few and far between though.
Yea cuz who wants to expose their own business
Happy 420 Brian Last and my other fellow stoners
I love Jim Cornette ❤️
Thanks for sharing
Code Academy: Why are we paying for this again?
LOL at that ad, "disappeared". Corny must have been watching a doc about Pinochet.
How about keep your eyes on the opponent's hand so you can register the proper response to the next strike you receive🤔
We need enhancement matches to make a comeback like the Gunther squash the other week
"It's like school, do you wanna have fun or do you wanna learn anything?"
He's so harsh even when he's not trying to be.
Sounds like Mondo and Jeter were given the Terry Taylor treatment.
Pat Buck (and Curt Hawkins) trained MJF - let that sink in, they produced guy is the most old-school new-school kid with the brightest future with high high ceiling
you should do a watch along to one of brians matches
Every time a wrestler does a Tope Suicida on AEW, you have to take a drink.
I hear Jimmy Hoffa was seen alongside two Codecademy graduates the day he disappeared
Best part of this is the sales pitch.
Flying home from Atlanta when the mask mandate was removed. The pilot said on the P.A. : You're mine now, bitches, it's MAGA time ! Every passenger was made to sign a blood oath to Trump on a Confederate flag. And then they called me homophobic names. I am very traumatized.
*"It is the Way"*-MoNDO-Loiran
Ive already pre ordered Corney 2k22
Did Jim just say "Troducers"?😂
I'll always have some amount of respect for MJF for always keeping up the prick persona
We need a compilation of every time Jim says "Again".
One of the most illogical things I ever saw was Josh Stroud chasing this heel that had called him the n-word. The heel ran into the ridiculously flimsy plywood "dressing room" that had been tacked up in the corner of this old shop building. Stroud beat on the door, obviously trying not to beat the damn thing down, and the entire "dressing room" structure shaking violently, despite Stroud's efforts. That tiny wrestling in that tiny town featured Action Mike Jackson, Raging Bull Randy Barber, Juicy Johnny, and the late great David Baker, plus occasional appearances by Ginger the Bear.
agreed with corn nuts on this
well, Baron Corbin have been on the main roster for like 5 years and just this Wrestlemania Drew McIntyre was the first to kick out of his finish - at least that's what they sold
Braun Strowman and the ‘Control Your Narrative’ Crew need to Host a Seminar on Wrestling Logic ….. 👀
Jesus... Wouldn't that be a sight to behold. Love your work!
I think for some of the trainers its more about the money than actually showing young guys what it takes to really get over and have a long career💯💯
Think this is why pro wrestlers should take a legitimate martial arts class to understand the art of fighting.
Most aew of not half that aew fans like it bc it's not wwe. They keep hiring wwe guys that will use what worked for them in wwe making aew the new tna.
Heard it from Toe Knee Con himself.
The two main refs in AEW bring the show down so much.
Luchasaurus does not look like a dinosaur under his mask. He's a good looking guy tbf.