Mayo will be taking over defensive play calls and Covington will be fired. If defense ends up being bad again and season ends up being as this one, Mayo will be fired. I believe we will make playoffs nxt season.
@@sdorsain85the team does not have the talent to make the playoffs. You really think this team is 1 draft away from being a contender? A few rookies is not gonna make the difference unfortunately for you guys, Belichick seriously screwed up that roster for years to come
I already accepted the idea that Mayo is coming back next year. My hope that he changes the defensive coordinator because that defense is not going to get any better with that stupid scheme. Play calling on the defensive side is horrendous.
@@keefriff99 I think Bob Kraft is beginning to suffer from the same problem Jerry Jones has. He hates change, and he likes being loyal to his staff and players. Mayo was promised the job, and Kraft knows him. Once the Buffalo game is over the two men need to have a long conversation.
@@keefriff99one reason in my opinion is the krafts resented that belicheck was given so much power and credit for the pats dynasty. So if you bring in a guy who has no head coaching experience, and has only been around the pats organization; hes basically indebted to kraft and the pats. If they interviewed many canidates and brought in the most qualified person, he would have come in and wanted more control and money just like belicheck.
Fans were going nuts to keep him in the 21 off-season! He's been play calling since 2022 as well. He needs another year or 2 or you may as well be the Jets.
They're stupid if they play Maye. The can make out like bandits trading down since they already have Maye and get capital to build a whole new team around him.
This is exactly what he was talking about when he said that Mayo says stuff at the podium and then the next day immediately walks it back. I mean last week half an hour before game time, Mayo said that Rhamondre Stevenson wouldn't start because of his fumbling issues......and then started him
Rich obviously hasn't paid close attention of how the season went. Its horrible, 3/4 of the stadium was chanting FIRE MAYO for a quarter of the game Saturday.
@NotExplicable that was expected, but what was not expected was that a team with a very good defense bringing almost everyone back turned into a bad defense. That’s supposed to be Mayo’s specialty and it’s way worse than last year. Not to mention they went extremely heavy on the offense in the draft since the defense was good already and they seem to have missed on a lot of guys they took. I understand it’s only rookie years but when they take players at positions and other guys they could’ve taken are playing way better it makes it look like they missed on the draft as well as regressed on defense. So what is the point of having him if they got no better in any way
@@kylem6370 this team wasn't going to win. Mayo has to figure out how to run the rest of the franchise while the DC figures it out the defense. If you looked at Bill's arc on the Browns they struggled and he was 5-11 in the first year in New England. There's alot more that goes into running an organization in 2024 than 1991, 2000. Vrabel was also coaching in the AFC south with Derrick Henry in a weak division
Hunter is absolutely NOT Belichick type dude. Belichick does not like "spotlight" players, doesn't like a single player being shining light as opposed it being multiple guys who keep away from spotlight. You have 20 years of winning and as POPULAR as Brady was, he was not that "spotlight" type but was in the spotlight because he was the QB and QB1 on superbowl winning team.
Jerod has been the worst head coach this year. And it’s not even close. Defending him this hard without saying a single thing he has done right or has improved the team on says it all!!!
I’ll concede worst head coach, but it is close. AP has been atrocious for my Raiders. Clock management, the poor use of challenges and his decision to start Minshew were glaring mistakes.
Dan campbell was the worst head coach in the league for two years straight and he had a veteran quarterback. Mayo, Haysa rookie quarterback who’s on the young side of 22. Much younger than Jaden Daniels and Caleb. He has no line and no weapons. It was a rebuild year. Getting the first round pick is amazing. It’s what we need. If Andy Reid was coaching the team, it would still be the same case.
“We knew the wins were not going to be there.” Is exactly the perfect point Chris makes. Last season was awful. There was no hope, there was no opportunity of a good play to ever happen. This year, because we have quarterback, the patriots have some glimpse of excitement - but besides that, there seems to be the lack of competence all over, that has not wavered since week 1.
Jerod was sold to the fan base as a guy who could connect with the players, maintain a quality defense, build a culture, and win more games than last year. He's done none of that. Fire him or we boycott.
The thing that's pissing me off is that I'm hearing that the Patriots should purposefully lose this game. Belichick would never ever ever ever f****** purposefully lose a game to gain an advantage on the draft. And that's the problem with the Patriots right now. He got people saying purposefully lose a game. I don't care if we pick first we picked a freaking quarterback the last time. Not something we needed but something that we just wanted to get instead of what is important to the team. And like you said most importantly is the fact that Robert Kraft needs to keep his damn mouth shut and stay out of football business. He doesn't know what he's talking about he owns a company he doesn't know how to play the game. We had that guy and we fired him both of them. So just like when his son comes into power and takes control over the Patriots we're going to sit here and watch some wealthy dude who has done nothing in his life that accounts to hard work and pretend like he knows how to do things instead of actually understanding.
yeah sums it up nice. even beyond all the media gaffes, the apparent total disconnect with the OC, bozo game management decisions....not one single positive marker on any of what was promised
No player wants to lose a game on purpose but steps do need to be taken to ensure your future prospects are secured. The Patriots should sit their most important key players and bring on 2nd & 3rd string players for in game experience and evaluation. I'm sure the Bills won't be putting out their best since their playoff position is pretty much safe.
Yeah, but the bills backups will be doing anything and everything to do to win that game. They are making a Super Bowl run. The coaches aren’t gonna tell players to lose on purpose because that would just mess up them mentally. I heard people saying that the bills will try to lose on purpose because it hurts the Patriots. That’s one of the dumbest things I heard someone say not you but someone said that. I think it was on first take it was Nick right? Who said it lol
Many (most?) Pats fans think: It's not they lost a lot of games this year. We all knew and expected that. It's the way Mayo and the whole organization conducted themselves. The bad clock management, the undisciplined penalties and uninspired performances, the lack of adjustments, the passive-aggressive digs at Belichick, the absolute whiffs in free agency & the draft, the undisciplined behavior from the players off the field, the lack of even the tiniest improvement in _any_ area aside from Maye, the constant screw ups with the media and on and on. They need to clean house. Fire Eliot Wolf, Mayo and every scout & assistant coach besides the QB coach. If they don't they are being stubborn and throwing good money after bad.
Jerod Mayo should never have been hired. Robert Kraft is the real problem. If Mayo is not replaced by the start of the new season, I will completely boycott the New England Patriots, and I will not miss this team at all. I have better things to do than follow a pathetic organization. Get it done, Kraft family.
Hey, you don't own the world. People have rights to think and feel whatever they want to. I can say you should leave TH-cam for being a bully you like that? Do I have right over you? Why do entitled people always think only their opinions are valid? ??
bozo, pats has one of if not THE worst roster going into this season. our defense is only worse than last year and offense has been nonexistent since brady left. pats dont spend money so how tf do are they expected to win with the cheapest team in the league
Pats fan here. Spent all season saying you gotta give Mayo 2 years. But... if we can get Vrabel and Josh, you gotta make that move. If we can't, there's nobody else on the market worth it, and I'll still be team-Mayo
Brian Flores is worth it if not Vrabel has the experience and will bring back the great defense to New England. Both former New England guys that the Krafts know. The team lacks discipline and culture now and it may take a hard nose no nonsense coach to get us back to that.
As a fan of the Patriots, Bill sticking around was a forgone conclusion. The issue here is not only was/is Mayo underqualified, but that he has also proven he can't account for the entire squad to work as a unit on a per game basis. Not only that, the Kraft's allowed Bill to walk without filling in all the holes he'd leave behind despite the complaints of other Pats fans with his drafting ability. I have no issue with Mayo coming back one more year. Most people however don't have the time or energy to bother with a team that continues to struggle for multiple years, even if the HC hasn't been around that long. Given how poor the roster is, the lack of discipline, the mechanics for Maye, it's clear communication is also a problem for this team.
RKK selected Mayo for personal reasons he thought would helped to get him into the HoF this year...and it didn't work because everyone saw through it. Mayo had FIVE (5) seasons as a coach!!! He NEVER should have been selected at Patriots HC!
I could see the Pats drafting Travis Hunter first overall for sure. But I could also see them trading down a few picks so that a QB needy team can get their guy. The Pats don't need the first overall pick to get offensive line help and a quality receiver
How else are you gonna get guys like Banks or Campbell if you dont trade down. Those are the the top guys in the class, otherwise your being risky with some other tackles.
Kraft's biggest mistake was not telling Belichick to sign Brady. Would have been a 2 minute phone call that would have improved the lives of Patriot fans, the Krafts, Tom Brady, and most of all Bill Belichick.
Mayo hasn't worked under any other coaching staff nor has he played for any other coach, but BB. He has zero experience in other systems as a player or a coach. After leaving civilian life after four or five years he started working under Bill's system. He didn't and still doesn't have enough experience to figure out what type of head coach he could be that would best fit who he is. His trepidation in front of the press followed by walking back/clarifying what he said one day the next day tells me he's still learning on the job. Players can sense that. No one likes dealing with a leader w/o experience when the chips are down. Sure, it's great to have a coach that wants to be your buddy. That approach though rarely elicits strong leadership. An experienced HC would plus the Pats at least five games. I don't see Mayo's second year doing the same.
Why does Eisen always make excuses for people being trash at their jobs. Im so glad Brockman has actual common sense. Only one on the show who isnt a simple jack including Rich
What the hell is Eisen talking about? The Jets kept Adam Gasse for two years to long, even when after one season everybody knew he was bad, Todd Bowles for 4 years and kept Saleh for to long because they kept making excuses for him even when he never had a winning record. The problem was that the Jets kept those coaches for to long!!!
One argument I would have with some of this conversation is that I just heard Chris say “we have two good players“. People short change some of New England‘s talent. Hunter, Henry, and Austin Hooper, are a really good pair of tight ends. Stevenson is a really good running back. We’ve got a handful of really good players on defense. I’m not saying it’s enough, but New England has more than just “two good players.“ They just don’t have the horses that you’d like to have, and their offensive line is a sieve.
For ANYONE to think that J Mayo is EVER going to have what it takes after getting this team and literally making it go backwards from the first game to last. Is not living in the world of reality.He does not have what it takes. I’m all for giving a person time but the one thing that stands out to me is the fact that he doesn’t learn from his mistakes. We all don’t have enough time to be alive for this man to come around.
If Mike Vrabel goes to the Raiders, let's shake it up and hire John Gruden. This would soothe some wounds and pain. Also, it instantaneously defines an identity!! Yeah, Baby!! Come Onnnnnnnnnnnn, Chucky!!
I knew Mayo was cooked when Bill straight up cooked him on live TV for throwing pats players under the bus (especially the defense) Never in my life would i have expected Bill to do that to any Pats employee, let alone his hand picked successor
Has the Patriots fan this is absolutely disgusting. Not only have we lost our way but we picked a quarterback as a first-round draft pick last year. There's nothing wrong with the quarterback It's the fact that this coach picked something that we didn't desperately need. And here we are again. We failed so hard at being a football team that were picking first again. This is disgusting and we wouldn't be in the situation if we still had Belichick.
Brother, I was with you until you said we didn’t need a quarterback We had MAC JONES. We DESPERATELY needed a quarterback and we picked a very good one. Maye is the only bright spot on this team rn outside of cb. I know there is a section of pats fans that think that Bill could do no wrong, but he led us to the THIRD overall pick just last year. Yes the team has gotten worse, but that’s because Mayo is unqualified and not a good coach, not because Maye wasn’t the right oick. Belichick had to go, we just replaced him with the wrong guy
@jakestring6027 and just like with Mack Jones we have already broken Drake May. Because of our lack of foresight he is already starting to see ghosts he has already been concussed probably should have been pulled out of the game. And as I said if we don't get lineman to protect the quarterback it doesn't matter who we have back there. They will all be fodder for defenses.
Mayo says his players are soft, but for me, I think he's soft he always gives mixed messages about the team. Get Vrabel and josh. We need a head coach who's going to be hard on everybody coaches, players, and whoever else
Mayo is completely incompetent. There's literally NOTHING positive you can say about him as a head coach and I'm not kidding when I say that he's the single worst head coach I've ever seen outside of Urban Meyer
I see the pats eFing around, starting Maye, beating my Buffalo bills with nothing but back ups on the field for 80% of the game and losing that number 1 overall pick. I don't see Mayo letting this game get past him and embarrassing them at home with Bills at less than half their potential.
People who are begging for Mike Vrabel are the epitome of a casual fan. Mike Vrabel did nothing his first year as a HC, he missed the playoffs after taking over a Titans team that finished 9-7 TWICE before Vrabel took over. You want to bring up him winning Coach of the Year? Didn't happen until Year 3 of Vrabel's tenure. Mayo is our guy for the next 2 years MINIMUM, if nothing has changed, THAT'S when you start whining like the spoiled brats are right now.
All the local Boston Bloggers are calling for Vrabel as HC...He inherited a good roster, and had a couple of good seasons, but he lost the locker room, and ended with 2.losing seasons. The good players did not want to deal with him. Patriots would be better off with someone like Saleh. All he needed was a QB. All he got was Rodgers. Coaches like Jim Harbaugh and Andy Reid would never work for a weasel like Kraft.
End of season RKK says he handing off lead role of PATS to Jonathan…Jonathan politely thanks Jerod but wants to pick his “own” coach and staff to start his tenure….yes he was part of intial Mayo succession plan but this is cleaner way to break it off with Jerod
Rich is away from his LA show, where no one knows, therefore I shall limit this to a few words. Best in the business he and his crew are gems in a sea of empty shells.
Reality is that say the Patriots make the exact same roster moves in the offseason but kept Bill Belichick. This team probably wouldve qon 7 or 8 games!
I can't stand the Patriot's, I hope they keep Mayo for the next 10 years. I hope the extend his contract. And by all means keep him in front of the microphone, I always love to hear what he has to say. This has DEI all over it.
Sit Drake. Start Joe Milton. Fire Mayo, Wolf, and all the rest! Hire Mike Vrabel. Actually perform a real search for a qualified GM. Draft a left tackle who isn’t a turnstile. See Robert…it’s easy!!! 😂
Chris Brockman sounds like a Patriot fan who has had so much success with the Patriots, since 2001, that he's willing to burn the house down after a bad *counts* 4.5 months. and when the Panthers are better than the Bears? what????
I think the raiders would want to draft fresh, especially if they fire AP after this season. They got screwed twice out of drafting a qb and since Carr got traded it’s been a qb carousel
If history has taught us anything, it's that no one from the Belichick coaching tree has been successful at HC. Mayo is just another failed branch of the tree. This is a chance to cut all the Belichick from the organisation and get fresh blood across the board. HC, OC, DC and GM have all failed spectacularly.
Rich, none of us hired Mayo. Bob Kraft did, and he did it based off of a speech he heard years ago. The Krafts don’t know the X’s & O’s and neither does Mayo (at a coordinator level) this was a premature hire. Mayo could be good in 5 years. But he’s never even been a defensive coordinator. He needed way more time to grow as a coach. The Kraft’s forced this decision. Bad move. If you let Vrabel go to another team without entertaining having him as HC in New England it’s complete malpractice.
I love the Patriots and absolutely do not want them picking first overall. It's so embarrassing to see mock drafts with our logo next to #1. I hope we blow out Buffalo this weekend and fall as low as possible.
I was for Mayo and have routed for them all year. Here’s the main reason they need to fire Mayo. He’s lost the locker room. Some of his statements where he threw them under the bus sealed it for me. Bill didn’t place blame on the players, ever! He always took responsibility. That’s why he needs to go.
Brockman is that annoying guy in your fantasy league that submits 20 bullshit lopsided trades, in his favor, to you a week. All while trying to convince you how good it is for you, he can't even believe half the bs that comes out his mouth
Excellent observation on the Kraft mindset. Do believe Mayo stays for that reason: As a fan, we knew the team would suck in 2024. You gotta allow Mayo to develp as a HC because it's about stability and comtonuity.
Chris just made a great case. I get that the Krafts like being 'deliberate' but Vrabel isn't going to be sitting there NEXT YEAR. If it's happening, it's happening NOW and the point about the decline of the D is compelling. Mayo just may be another BB coaching tree fail. Vrabel is one of the few successes. Grab him.
You do know he is playing for his job right ? Tanking is not going to help it. Not tanking and playing Drake Maye. if he gets hurt, Mayo won't look so good either. He is in between the proverbial rock and a hard place.
Number 1 reason they will start Drake Maye: they almost beat the Bills last time they played and Mayo wants to prove they can do it and have that to hang his hat on for this off season; that they can beat the division leader.
Even as a non-follower of Patriots football, it seems pretty clear that Jarod Mayo is not someone who can consistently lead men to victory in the NFL. The poor game-planning, lack of in-game adjustments at half-time, and lack of player intensity alone is condemning for him, but then you add in the element of constant controversy after every post game press conference because of what he says. Practically every week he's having to walk back comments that he makes. It's like a grand-slam of reasons why he's not the man for the job. This is coming from an Eagles fan and long-time Patriot hater, by the way, so I have no reason to take it easy on them. It's not the players, it's the coach, and if he's the coach next year, they will be a sub .500 team again. Bet.
Mayo has got to go. End of story. Full stop. What has Mayo done to prove he's a capable NFL coach? Also, the Krafts' "plan" for Mayo was terrible to begin with! They need to cut their losses and move on. The NFL is not a "learn-on-the-job" league. The Pats are desperate for a competent head coach (VRABEL).
1. For week 18 we should start Maye if he’s heathy and wants to play, HOWEVER you treat it like a preseason game and you make sure you lose. You play Maye for 2 series and then put Joe Milton in the game. 2. Ideally you have the #1 pick and you trade down getting at least another future 1st 3. You don’t draft Travis Hunter who is going to be primarily a CB in the NFL, you draft Tetoria McMillian after you have already signed Tee Higgins and Cam Robinson to play LT
These guys seem to forget that the Bills have zero to play for either, their only thing to play for is not get injured before the playoffs. So what? is both teams going to kneel until OT is over?
There's a reason Eisen is blindly defending Coach J'rod, and telling and shaming the New England fan base into accepting it. 109 times..tale as old as time.
If Mayo gets fired after 1 yr, i’m officially renouncing my 40 yr Patriots support. I don’t understand how this has been a topic for nearly 4 weeks now.
Rich kept saying "We knew this was going to be bad season like this in 2024 for the Pats." Not true. We knew we were going to have the lousy record that we have; But we shouldn't look like such a badly coached football team. The amount of penalties and just plain sloppy play is a direct result of poor coaching. The young players, Jalen Polk, Javon Baker, Caden Wallace, etc have not been developed whatsoever. The postgame press conferences have been so bad that Mayo has had to "Clarify" and take back so many statements all year long. Mayo has been on the verge of losing the team several times for making statements like "We are a soft team", or "I told the team I can't help them once they go out onto the field." Mayo is not ready to be a head coach period, and Patriots should JUMP at the opportunity to grab Vrabel while he's available. Then there's Elliott Wolf, good god such a bad job building this team.
The normally brilliant and logical Rich Eisen (Patriots Hater) is presenting arguements that are devoid of "Wicked Smahtness." Could the Patriots be involved?
Not mentioned in this discussion is the fact Jerod Mayo came out last year when he was hired and declared that the patriots would win more than 4 games this season. So all this talk about how internally they knew it was going to be ugly is undercut by the fact that they were publicly saying it was going to be better than Belichick's last season.
I get the strategy. I really do. And I know teams do this at the owner level. But these guys go out there and play hard. If they thought for a minute that the team was setting them up to lose on purpose? Please. That don't play.
Pissing away the number one pick or any of the top 10 picks on Sanders would be colossally stupid. I would trade out if I could, or use it on Hunter, then spend every picks on QB protection.
MAYO HAD 5 YEARS TO LEARN HOW TO BE A HC UNDER THE BEST TO EVER DO IT, AND THIS IS THE TRASHCAN FIRE POOP WHAT WE GET???? Nope MAYO IS NOT HC MATERIAL!!!!
Chris hit the nail on the head. There is no excuse for the defense being this pathetic.. that was supposed to be his strong point 🤦
Mayo will be taking over defensive play calls and Covington will be fired. If defense ends up being bad again and season ends up being as this one, Mayo will be fired. I believe we will make playoffs nxt season.
@@sdorsain85 yea sure lol
@@sdorsain85the team does not have the talent to make the playoffs. You really think this team is 1 draft away from being a contender? A few rookies is not gonna make the difference unfortunately for you guys, Belichick seriously screwed up that roster for years to come
When you think about it Jerod Mayo has no specialty. It was a bad hire. I can’t figure out what the krafts are going to do though
I thought we would be terrible when we traded judon. Get the best defensive talent in this years draft and focus on the 2025 season
Firing Jerod Mayo after 1 year would require Robert Kraft to admit he made a mistake. So we all know how this plays out.
This
You are 100 percent right unfortunately
Would require him to admit he made two mistakes, even worse odds!
I already accepted the idea that Mayo is coming back next year. My hope that he changes the defensive coordinator because that defense is not going to get any better with that stupid scheme. Play calling on the defensive side is horrendous.
@ I’d like to think if mayo comes back he knows he can’t just run it back with this same staff
Mayo was pushed too fast. He should have spent some time as DC instead of the jump from Linebacker to HC.
I still don’t understand why Kraft was so gung-ho on Mayo. Seems like a solid guy, but he’s not cut out for HC at this point.
@@keefriff99 I think Bob Kraft is beginning to suffer from the same problem Jerry Jones has. He hates change, and he likes being loyal to his staff and players. Mayo was promised the job, and Kraft knows him. Once the Buffalo game is over the two men need to have a long conversation.
He should spend more time in Israel. According to Kraft that’s where great head coaches learn and grow
@@keefriff99one reason in my opinion is the krafts resented that belicheck was given so much power and credit for the pats dynasty. So if you bring in a guy who has no head coaching experience, and has only been around the pats organization; hes basically indebted to kraft and the pats. If they interviewed many canidates and brought in the most qualified person, he would have come in and wanted more control and money just like belicheck.
Fans were going nuts to keep him in the 21 off-season! He's been play calling since 2022 as well. He needs another year or 2 or you may as well be the Jets.
"We're focused on beating the Buffalo Bills"
*Starts Jacoby Brissett*
They're stupid if they play Maye. The can make out like bandits trading down since they already have Maye and get capital to build a whole new team around him.
@eddiewinehosen6665 duh dude my post is about how Mayo says one thing and does another. He's incompetent.
This is exactly what he was talking about when he said that Mayo says stuff at the podium and then the next day immediately walks it back. I mean last week half an hour before game time, Mayo said that Rhamondre Stevenson wouldn't start because of his fumbling issues......and then started him
Start Joe Milton!
Who was QB when they won 2 of their 3 games.
Rich obviously hasn't paid close attention of how the season went. Its horrible, 3/4 of the stadium was chanting FIRE MAYO for a quarter of the game Saturday.
Its called rebuilding, if the Patriots had a franchise QB I would understand, but the team has too many offensive holes.
How did you calculate that 3/4 of the stadium was chanting 'Fire Mayo'?
@NotExplicable that was expected, but what was not expected was that a team with a very good defense bringing almost everyone back turned into a bad defense. That’s supposed to be Mayo’s specialty and it’s way worse than last year. Not to mention they went extremely heavy on the offense in the draft since the defense was good already and they seem to have missed on a lot of guys they took. I understand it’s only rookie years but when they take players at positions and other guys they could’ve taken are playing way better it makes it look like they missed on the draft as well as regressed on defense. So what is the point of having him if they got no better in any way
If you let the fans dictate your personnel decisions, you’re toast.
@@kylem6370 this team wasn't going to win. Mayo has to figure out how to run the rest of the franchise while the DC figures it out the defense. If you looked at Bill's arc on the Browns they struggled and he was 5-11 in the first year in New England. There's alot more that goes into running an organization in 2024 than 1991, 2000. Vrabel was also coaching in the AFC south with Derrick Henry in a weak division
The irony is Travis Hunter is the ultimate Bellicheck dude.
Too bad Belichick would've traded away the number 1 pick for 4 fourth round picks...
Bill sucked at drafting
Hes not because he doesn't tackle
@@spacemarine7434and now he will suck at carolina doing that
If available in the 7th round 😜
Hunter is absolutely NOT Belichick type dude. Belichick does not like "spotlight" players, doesn't like a single player being shining light as opposed it being multiple guys who keep away from spotlight. You have 20 years of winning and as POPULAR as Brady was, he was not that "spotlight" type but was in the spotlight because he was the QB and QB1 on superbowl winning team.
Jerod has been the worst head coach this year. And it’s not even close. Defending him this hard without saying a single thing he has done right or has improved the team on says it all!!!
I’ll concede worst head coach, but it is close. AP has been atrocious for my Raiders. Clock management, the poor use of challenges and his decision to start Minshew were glaring mistakes.
Matt Eberflus has entered the chat.
He started out by stating.... " I do see color"..... as in players........ should have been gone then....... Get rid of these damn DEI hires !!
The worst coach was fired before the season ended.
Dan campbell was the worst head coach in the league for two years straight and he had a veteran quarterback. Mayo, Haysa rookie quarterback who’s on the young side of 22. Much younger than Jaden Daniels and Caleb. He has no line and no weapons. It was a rebuild year. Getting the first round pick is amazing. It’s what we need. If Andy Reid was coaching the team, it would still be the same case.
Thanks Browns for making the Albert Haynesworth deal not the absolute worse ever.
Crazy thing is i would says it's a worse idea then when the saints traded a whole draft for ricky Williams
Thanks Browns for giving us Baker Mayfield….
Signed a Bucs fan
As a long suffering Redskins fan, I cannot agree with this more. 😂
Mayo's gotta go. Clean house.
“We knew the wins were not going to be there.” Is exactly the perfect point Chris makes. Last season was awful. There was no hope, there was no opportunity of a good play to ever happen. This year, because we have quarterback, the patriots have some glimpse of excitement - but besides that, there seems to be the lack of competence all over, that has not wavered since week 1.
Pats need to fire mayo and all his staff. Trade the pick. LETS F'ING GO.
Jerod was sold to the fan base as a guy who could connect with the players, maintain a quality defense, build a culture, and win more games than last year. He's done none of that. Fire him or we boycott.
The thing that's pissing me off is that I'm hearing that the Patriots should purposefully lose this game. Belichick would never ever ever ever f****** purposefully lose a game to gain an advantage on the draft. And that's the problem with the Patriots right now. He got people saying purposefully lose a game. I don't care if we pick first we picked a freaking quarterback the last time. Not something we needed but something that we just wanted to get instead of what is important to the team. And like you said most importantly is the fact that Robert Kraft needs to keep his damn mouth shut and stay out of football business. He doesn't know what he's talking about he owns a company he doesn't know how to play the game. We had that guy and we fired him both of them. So just like when his son comes into power and takes control over the Patriots we're going to sit here and watch some wealthy dude who has done nothing in his life that accounts to hard work and pretend like he knows how to do things instead of actually understanding.
yeah sums it up nice. even beyond all the media gaffes, the apparent total disconnect with the OC, bozo game management decisions....not one single positive marker on any of what was promised
I’d love to see New England fans boycott. What are you gonna do, dump tea into the stadium?
@jdub4670 Nope, even easier. Don't watch or go to the games lol genius right?
@@jdub4670 70 IQ joke
I would rather take Josh McDaniel or Vrabel over Mayo
Josh Mcdaniel is not a head coach. He an excellent offensive coordinator. 📋🏈
Lol McDaniels
I know you mean take em both, and hire Robert Salah as DC
Mayo is definitely the opposite of Bill, guy STINKS at being a HC and he might be worse at addressing the media than coaching
No player wants to lose a game on purpose but steps do need to be taken to ensure your future prospects are secured. The Patriots should sit their most important key players and bring on 2nd & 3rd string players for in game experience and evaluation. I'm sure the Bills won't be putting out their best since their playoff position is pretty much safe.
Yeah, but the bills backups will be doing anything and everything to do to win that game. They are making a Super Bowl run. The coaches aren’t gonna tell players to lose on purpose because that would just mess up them mentally. I heard people saying that the bills will try to lose on purpose because it hurts the Patriots. That’s one of the dumbest things I heard someone say not you but someone said that. I think it was on first take it was Nick right? Who said it lol
Many (most?) Pats fans think: It's not they lost a lot of games this year. We all knew and expected that. It's the way Mayo and the whole organization conducted themselves. The bad clock management, the undisciplined penalties and uninspired performances, the lack of adjustments, the passive-aggressive digs at Belichick, the absolute whiffs in free agency & the draft, the undisciplined behavior from the players off the field, the lack of even the tiniest improvement in _any_ area aside from Maye, the constant screw ups with the media and on and on. They need to clean house. Fire Eliot Wolf, Mayo and every scout & assistant coach besides the QB coach. If they don't they are being stubborn and throwing good money after bad.
Whoever drafts Sanders is gonna regret it
Especially if he or his dad don't want him to play there
Jerod Mayo should never have been hired. Robert Kraft is the real problem. If Mayo is not replaced by the start of the new season, I will completely boycott the New England Patriots, and I will not miss this team at all. I have better things to do than follow a pathetic organization. Get it done, Kraft family.
Vrabel should have been hired already
We need to play Joe Milton to see what he is!
Why on earth would you do that?drake has shown he matured and got better even with an atrocious team lol
@@michaelroelant7134if he does well, you have a trade chip 🤷♂️
That’s one reason to start him
Defending Jerod this hard without a single tangible thing to point to should ban you from any sports talk for life.
Hey, you don't own the world. People have rights to think and feel whatever they want to. I can say you should leave TH-cam for being a bully you like that? Do I have right over you? Why do entitled people always think only their opinions are valid? ??
bozo, pats has one of if not THE worst roster going into this season. our defense is only worse than last year and offense has been nonexistent since brady left. pats dont spend money so how tf do are they expected to win with the cheapest team in the league
Pats fan here. Spent all season saying you gotta give Mayo 2 years. But... if we can get Vrabel and Josh, you gotta make that move. If we can't, there's nobody else on the market worth it, and I'll still be team-Mayo
Brian Flores is worth it if not Vrabel has the experience and will bring back the great defense to New England. Both former New England guys that the Krafts know. The team lacks discipline and culture now and it may take a hard nose no nonsense coach to get us back to that.
@@garyh7896well said
@@garyh7896 I would have definitely took him first.
As a fan of the Patriots, Bill sticking around was a forgone conclusion. The issue here is not only was/is Mayo underqualified, but that he has also proven he can't account for the entire squad to work as a unit on a per game basis. Not only that, the Kraft's allowed Bill to walk without filling in all the holes he'd leave behind despite the complaints of other Pats fans with his drafting ability.
I have no issue with Mayo coming back one more year. Most people however don't have the time or energy to bother with a team that continues to struggle for multiple years, even if the HC hasn't been around that long. Given how poor the roster is, the lack of discipline, the mechanics for Maye, it's clear communication is also a problem for this team.
RKK selected Mayo for personal reasons he thought would helped to get him into the HoF this year...and it didn't work because everyone saw through it. Mayo had FIVE (5) seasons as a coach!!! He NEVER should have been selected at Patriots HC!
I should have put money in Mayo being a 1 and done. Called it a mile away
I could see the Pats drafting Travis Hunter first overall for sure. But I could also see them trading down a few picks so that a QB needy team can get their guy. The Pats don't need the first overall pick to get offensive line help and a quality receiver
How else are you gonna get guys like Banks or Campbell if you dont trade down. Those are the the top guys in the class, otherwise your being risky with some other tackles.
Kraft's biggest mistake was not telling Belichick to sign Brady. Would have been a 2 minute phone call that would have improved the lives of Patriot fans, the Krafts, Tom Brady, and most of all Bill Belichick.
Stop living in the past.
Rich wants Mayo back because he wants another Patriots Dumpster Fire year. Rich's arguements is hollow and weak!
Mayo hasn't worked under any other coaching staff nor has he played for any other coach, but BB. He has zero experience in other systems as a player or a coach. After leaving civilian life after four or five years he started working under Bill's system. He didn't and still doesn't have enough experience to figure out what type of head coach he could be that would best fit who he is.
His trepidation in front of the press followed by walking back/clarifying what he said one day the next day tells me he's still learning on the job. Players can sense that. No one likes dealing with a leader w/o experience when the chips are down. Sure, it's great to have a coach that wants to be your buddy. That approach though rarely elicits strong leadership. An experienced HC would plus the Pats at least five games. I don't see Mayo's second year doing the same.
Deshaun can play but he doesn’t have any insensitive to play or want to play anymore!
Wins weren’t important this year. Mayo has made the pats non-competitive and embarrassing. Players checked out months ago. That doesn’t improve
Watch Deion come out and say Shadeuer refuses to be drafted by the Browns
Having the #1 pick (or any top 10 pick for that matter) does NOT guarantee the team will choose wisely.
Trade the 1st overall pick for a haul
Sit Drake and start Milton. We need to see if he’s a viable backup
Why does Eisen always make excuses for people being trash at their jobs. Im so glad Brockman has actual common sense. Only one on the show who isnt a simple jack including Rich
The only hope pats fans have is hopefully this is like a Dan Campbell situation and he turns it around
What the hell is Eisen talking about? The Jets kept Adam Gasse for two years to long, even when after one season everybody knew he was bad, Todd Bowles for 4 years and kept Saleh for to long because they kept making excuses for him even when he never had a winning record. The problem was that the Jets kept those coaches for to long!!!
Saleh was a solid coach that was plagued by a terrible organization
@@owlman6569he's not solid. He's a real good DC.
One argument I would have with some of this conversation is that I just heard Chris say “we have two good players“. People short change some of New England‘s talent. Hunter, Henry, and Austin Hooper, are a really good pair of tight ends. Stevenson is a really good running back. We’ve got a handful of really good players on defense. I’m not saying it’s enough, but New England has more than just “two good players.“ They just don’t have the horses that you’d like to have, and their offensive line is a sieve.
For ANYONE to think that J Mayo is EVER going to have what it takes after getting this team and literally making it go backwards from the first game to last. Is not living in the world of reality.He does not have what it takes. I’m all for giving a person time but the one thing that stands out to me is the fact that he doesn’t learn from his mistakes. We all don’t have enough time to be alive for this man to come around.
honestly, its so nice to hear a patriot fan flubber and sputter and try and fire everyone. its beautiful
If Mike Vrabel goes to the Raiders, let's shake it up and hire John Gruden. This would soothe some wounds and pain. Also, it instantaneously defines an identity!! Yeah, Baby!! Come Onnnnnnnnnnnn, Chucky!!
If I’m Vrabel,I would want the Giants job,got cap space and there defense has pieces to be sneaky good..
I knew Mayo was cooked when Bill straight up cooked him on live TV for throwing pats players under the bus (especially the defense)
Never in my life would i have expected Bill to do that to any Pats employee, let alone his hand picked successor
Wow! Great segment!! Both RE and Brocky make good points. Both are correct?
Has the Patriots fan this is absolutely disgusting. Not only have we lost our way but we picked a quarterback as a first-round draft pick last year. There's nothing wrong with the quarterback It's the fact that this coach picked something that we didn't desperately need. And here we are again. We failed so hard at being a football team that were picking first again. This is disgusting and we wouldn't be in the situation if we still had Belichick.
Brother, I was with you until you said we didn’t need a quarterback
We had MAC JONES. We DESPERATELY needed a quarterback and we picked a very good one. Maye is the only bright spot on this team rn outside of cb.
I know there is a section of pats fans that think that Bill could do no wrong, but he led us to the THIRD overall pick just last year.
Yes the team has gotten worse, but that’s because Mayo is unqualified and not a good coach, not because Maye wasn’t the right oick. Belichick had to go, we just replaced him with the wrong guy
@jakestring6027 and just like with Mack Jones we have already broken Drake May. Because of our lack of foresight he is already starting to see ghosts he has already been concussed probably should have been pulled out of the game. And as I said if we don't get lineman to protect the quarterback it doesn't matter who we have back there. They will all be fodder for defenses.
Mayo says his players are soft, but for me, I think he's soft he always gives mixed messages about the team. Get Vrabel and josh. We need a head coach who's going to be hard on everybody coaches, players, and whoever else
I'd love to see Mayo return. That way we get to see glum faces in the owners' booth every week as they realized they doubled down on NADA.
Nice analysis, Rich!
Rich’s take is gaaaaaaaaarbage, just like Kraft’s decision to hire condiment boy and 90% or Jerod’s coaching decisions.
Kraft is as useless as the mccaskeys, Jones and Johnsons. He just got lucky with a great coach
Mayo has got to go. The Pats need to trade down and get some additional picks.
The clock is ticking because we have Maye, seemingly a win now QB, we dont have time to hold mayo’s hand on coaching basics
Mayo is completely incompetent. There's literally NOTHING positive you can say about him as a head coach and I'm not kidding when I say that he's the single worst head coach I've ever seen outside of Urban Meyer
Arizona needs to move up for a QB.
Yes we do idd we should get jj mccarthey and a new coach for starters
I see the pats eFing around, starting Maye, beating my Buffalo bills with nothing but back ups on the field for 80% of the game and losing that number 1 overall pick. I don't see Mayo letting this game get past him and embarrassing them at home with Bills at less than half their potential.
I WANT VRABEL and his network!! NOW!!
People who are begging for Mike Vrabel are the epitome of a casual fan. Mike Vrabel did nothing his first year as a HC, he missed the playoffs after taking over a Titans team that finished 9-7 TWICE before Vrabel took over. You want to bring up him winning Coach of the Year? Didn't happen until Year 3 of Vrabel's tenure. Mayo is our guy for the next 2 years MINIMUM, if nothing has changed, THAT'S when you start whining like the spoiled brats are right now.
All the local Boston Bloggers are calling for Vrabel as HC...He inherited a good roster, and had a couple of good seasons, but he lost the locker room, and ended with 2.losing seasons. The good players did not want to deal with him. Patriots would be better off with someone like Saleh. All he needed was a QB. All he got was Rodgers.
Coaches like Jim Harbaugh and Andy Reid would never work for a weasel like Kraft.
End of season RKK says he handing off lead role of PATS to Jonathan…Jonathan politely thanks Jerod but wants to pick his “own” coach and staff to start his tenure….yes he was part of intial Mayo succession plan but this is cleaner way to break it off with Jerod
Rich is away from his LA show, where no one knows, therefore I shall limit this to a few words. Best in the business he and his crew are gems in a sea of empty shells.
The Patriots also recognized that Drake Maye was a superior prospect to the next year's QBs
In all fairness to Mayo, he had nothing to do with the draft choices.
Packers hired Bart Starr and then Forrest Gregg, former great players. Did not work out.
Reality is that say the Patriots make the exact same roster moves in the offseason but kept Bill Belichick. This team probably wouldve qon 7 or 8 games!
I can't stand the Patriot's, I hope they keep Mayo for the next 10 years. I hope the extend his contract. And by all means keep him in front of the microphone, I always love to hear what he has to say. This has DEI all over it.
Sit Drake. Start Joe Milton. Fire Mayo, Wolf, and all the rest! Hire Mike Vrabel. Actually perform a real search for a qualified GM. Draft a left tackle who isn’t a turnstile. See Robert…it’s easy!!! 😂
Chris Brockman sounds like a Patriot fan who has had so much success with the Patriots, since 2001, that he's willing to burn the house down after a bad *counts* 4.5 months.
and when the Panthers are better than the Bears? what????
Pats need to fire Mayo and hire Robert Salah. Falcons need to fire Raheem Morris and hire Ben Johnson.
Fields to the Raiders?
I think the raiders would want to draft fresh, especially if they fire AP after this season. They got screwed twice out of drafting a qb and since Carr got traded it’s been a qb carousel
If history has taught us anything, it's that no one from the Belichick coaching tree has been successful at HC. Mayo is just another failed branch of the tree. This is a chance to cut all the Belichick from the organisation and get fresh blood across the board. HC, OC, DC and GM have all failed spectacularly.
I agree with Rich on this💯
Rich, none of us hired Mayo. Bob Kraft did, and he did it based off of a speech he heard years ago.
The Krafts don’t know the X’s & O’s and neither does Mayo (at a coordinator level) this was a premature hire.
Mayo could be good in 5 years.
But he’s never even been a defensive coordinator. He needed way more time to grow as a coach. The Kraft’s forced this decision. Bad move.
If you let Vrabel go to another team without entertaining having him as HC in New England it’s complete malpractice.
I love the Patriots and absolutely do not want them picking first overall. It's so embarrassing to see mock drafts with our logo next to #1. I hope we blow out Buffalo this weekend and fall as low as possible.
Brockman needs to let Rich talk..
I was for Mayo and have routed for them all year. Here’s the main reason they need to fire Mayo. He’s lost the locker room. Some of his statements where he threw them under the bus sealed it for me. Bill didn’t place blame on the players, ever! He always took responsibility. That’s why he needs to go.
Brockman is that annoying guy in your fantasy league that submits 20 bullshit lopsided trades, in his favor, to you a week. All while trying to convince you how good it is for you, he can't even believe half the bs that comes out his mouth
2:04 lol the facetime thumbs up
Excellent observation on the Kraft mindset. Do believe Mayo stays for that reason: As a fan, we knew the team would suck in 2024. You gotta allow Mayo to develp as a HC because it's about stability and comtonuity.
Staying with Mayo, just because it was the plan, if you have a chance to get a better option... that is a sunk cost fallacy.
Chris just made a great case. I get that the Krafts like being 'deliberate' but Vrabel isn't going to be sitting there NEXT YEAR. If it's happening, it's happening NOW and the point about the decline of the D is compelling. Mayo just may be another BB coaching tree fail. Vrabel is one of the few successes. Grab him.
Fire 🔥 mayo
You do know he is playing for his job right ? Tanking is not going to help it. Not tanking and playing Drake Maye. if he gets hurt, Mayo won't look so good either. He is in between the proverbial rock and a hard place.
If they keep Mayo then they will end up wasting the career of a promising franchise QB in Maye
Number 1 reason they will start Drake Maye: they almost beat the Bills last time they played and Mayo wants to prove they can do it and have that to hang his hat on for this off season; that they can beat the division leader.
Even as a non-follower of Patriots football, it seems pretty clear that Jarod Mayo is not someone who can consistently lead men to victory in the NFL. The poor game-planning, lack of in-game adjustments at half-time, and lack of player intensity alone is condemning for him, but then you add in the element of constant controversy after every post game press conference because of what he says. Practically every week he's having to walk back comments that he makes. It's like a grand-slam of reasons why he's not the man for the job. This is coming from an Eagles fan and long-time Patriot hater, by the way, so I have no reason to take it easy on them. It's not the players, it's the coach, and if he's the coach next year, they will be a sub .500 team again. Bet.
Unfortunately, Robert Kraft doesn't care if you "Boycott the team" due to the guaranteed $100 Million in revenue sharing.
Belichick screwed that team for years to come. He was a terrible GM and missed on so many draft picks, couldn’t draft and develop wide receivers etc.
We made due with welker & Edelman
Mayo has got to go. End of story. Full stop. What has Mayo done to prove he's a capable NFL coach? Also, the Krafts' "plan" for Mayo was terrible to begin with! They need to cut their losses and move on. The NFL is not a "learn-on-the-job" league. The Pats are desperate for a competent head coach (VRABEL).
Vrabel and McDaniel would I rather have, it’s not even close
1. For week 18 we should start Maye if he’s heathy and wants to play, HOWEVER you treat it like a preseason game and you make sure you lose. You play Maye for 2 series and then put Joe Milton in the game.
2. Ideally you have the #1 pick and you trade down getting at least another future 1st
3. You don’t draft Travis Hunter who is going to be primarily a CB in the NFL, you draft Tetoria McMillian after you have already signed Tee Higgins and Cam Robinson to play LT
These guys seem to forget that the Bills have zero to play for either, their only thing to play for is not get injured before the playoffs. So what? is both teams going to kneel until OT is over?
There's a reason Eisen is blindly defending Coach J'rod, and telling and shaming the New England fan base into accepting it. 109 times..tale as old as time.
Patriots should allow the Raiders to go up for two future second round picks. They already have a QB and a O lineman can still be available at No. 8
If Mayo gets fired after 1 yr, i’m officially renouncing my 40 yr Patriots support. I don’t understand how this has been a topic for nearly 4 weeks now.
Rich kept saying "We knew this was going to be bad season like this in 2024 for the Pats." Not true. We knew we were going to have the lousy record that we have; But we shouldn't look like such a badly coached football team. The amount of penalties and just plain sloppy play is a direct result of poor coaching. The young players, Jalen Polk, Javon Baker, Caden Wallace, etc have not been developed whatsoever. The postgame press conferences have been so bad that Mayo has had to "Clarify" and take back so many statements all year long. Mayo has been on the verge of losing the team several times for making statements like "We are a soft team", or "I told the team I can't help them once they go out onto the field." Mayo is not ready to be a head coach period, and Patriots should JUMP at the opportunity to grab Vrabel while he's available. Then there's Elliott Wolf, good god such a bad job building this team.
The normally brilliant and logical Rich Eisen (Patriots Hater) is presenting arguements that are devoid of "Wicked Smahtness." Could the Patriots be involved?
Patriots need to look for find a coach.. it’s obvious Jerod is a DEI hire.. he needs to be a DC for a while.. then becomes a HC in a few years
Not mentioned in this discussion is the fact Jerod Mayo came out last year when he was hired and declared that the patriots would win more than 4 games this season. So all this talk about how internally they knew it was going to be ugly is undercut by the fact that they were publicly saying it was going to be better than Belichick's last season.
I get the strategy. I really do. And I know teams do this at the owner level. But these guys go out there and play hard. If they thought for a minute that the team was setting them up to lose on purpose? Please. That don't play.
Firing Mayo after 1 year is INSANE. What roster do they have for him to coach lmao
Pissing away the number one pick or any of the top 10 picks on Sanders would be colossally stupid. I would trade out if I could, or use it on Hunter, then spend every picks on QB protection.
MAYO HAD 5 YEARS TO LEARN HOW TO BE A HC UNDER THE BEST TO EVER DO IT, AND THIS IS THE TRASHCAN FIRE POOP WHAT WE GET???? Nope MAYO IS NOT HC MATERIAL!!!!