I do agree with a few of Qunne's points here, but I feel like there's a lot of bad faith in the devs. I've played in the Kickstarter Campaign build, beta builds, server slam, and Dev brackets and I can honestly say that almost every build has been very different. The devs are testing the waters and tweaking mechanics to see what sticks. People have had access to only a handful of the builds and are formulating very strong opinions based on those. Hell, even the previous dev bracket build had very different CC mechanics. Let the devs cook. The game IS for you if you choose to interact with its systems and not Rivals 1's.
the game aint for me i would know that. i dont like the way its going and alot of top players and other players feel the same. the game been cooking for 6 months and i dont like any of it. and thats fine its just not for me i dont like what their cooking and its not fair to say that the game is for people when they clearly dont like it. but i get what you're saying
That isn't how things work, even if you try to interact with the system and mechanics it may just not click or mesh for you. That is just how life works. Likewise you've proven why there is legitimate doubt not bad faith, if every build is very different then it feels like they had no goal or direction. Every single build also becomes an "This is the game we aren't getting" build. which inspires doubt as you can expect it to be changed as opposed to improved on. Given people have paid money and there was a kick starter already that lacking direction makes it look like the devs were not near ready to start this project. Before you start cooking you need to know what you're going to make, especially if you asked for money already. They need to figure out what meal they are making or it will end up burnt.
This convo and the comment about first impressions makes me think. Why does it seem like almost every Plat fighter has some sort of fatal flaw at launch? It almost feels like the genre has in built Monkey's Paw.
This dude feels like he’s attributing so much bad faith to the developers (especially when these exact people MADE rivals 1) bc of the fact that they didn’t immediately make every change that Rivals 1 players suggested after the Genesis build. The idea that they are “ignoring” their old community, or that they “used” them to get to where they are and then appeal to a different audience is incredibly silly. They have transparently addressed literally every complaint made in this video multiple times including their rationale for removing drift DI. They know what is strong and what isn’t, they know what people like and don’t like about the game. They have been experimenting with solutions to fix the problems. Idk why this guy goes on and on about how the game is bad and the character balance is trash, but then is like “yea it will be good when it launches, it’s just in beta. Not for me though!” Like dude, if you understand that and also understand that the game is inherently different from Rivals 1 systems it just sounds like you are complaining that it’s not Rivals 1. Also acting like Dan was doing anything but making a joke about the “hate” Rivals 2 was getting is silly as well. Same with trevor and the Drift DI comment.
I feel like a lot of the connotations made about the devs in this video is exactly what Dan is talking about. It’s not that they transparently and respectfully disagreed with the call for Drift DI, no it’s they’re IGNORING us. They used our love and money to make a game that’s NOT for their community, It’s not like some rivals players, including them, kusi, cake, and the thousands of other casuals actually like this direction. It’s not that ONE dev made generalized, but ignorant, one off comment about a game mechanic, no, it’s that they’re spitting in our faces. Oh they admittedly tried to fix the games problems in a patch but failed miserably? They’re ignoring us! It’s not like any live service/supported game has EVER had a bad patch. Like y’all are twisting every one of their actions as malicious. It’s okay to feel hurt, but I don’t think it’s okay to make up fanfiction of their actual motives and interpret their words without the benefit of the doubt. I do get how things can compound overtime. the one thing I DO understand feeling ignored is the Kragg thing. Aka, testers saying yo he needs to be nerfed before genesis, then not doing it. At least, with the info I have now I feel that way. I have no idea if the devs did in fact try to nerf him, or if they internally planned to just let this kragg vibe just this once, I don’t know. Do I think drift DI should be added? I think so. I don’t think it would necessarily be better for the broader casual and low competitive scene as a whole, but I think they definitely should be in to unify the community. That’s just how I feel.
Ehh... idk. Like when we talk about drift di. Its not about adding it cause rivals 1 has it. Its cause the design of the characters are STILL like rivals 1. Only the new characters fair better for the System... so having a problem that was solved with Drift di and its still here in rivals 1... its weird and i understand Qunne. Its not about "its not rivals." Its about... "the characters are still like rivals 1 but i dont have the same options to deal with stuff." Its honestly fair. Even if there are counterpoints There is other stuff where sure... it feels a little much but the kragg thing makes me question a lot. I think they are trying. I just wish it was just... honest? Because of game development its the best to keep your cards to yourself. But at the same time it makes people criticize you a lot more if you dont handle it. Maybe people are being melodramatic.... i just would rather actually get talking points rather than just let it keep bubbling into something more. I think they can comeback from it. I just wish they were more honest.
@@SoftwareNeos what are they not being honest about, though? like its clear that they didn't think drift di was that big of a deal. trevors flippant brushing it off at first shows that. they are very very transparent with the community about like 99% of the stuff. the roadmap, the team, their goals. they haven't lied about anything or intentionally hid stuff. they agree cc needs to be fixed and they accidentally made things worse. that's not being dishonest, if anything it would make sense if yall were trying to call them incompetent. oh I told them to fix kragg and they didn't, unless they promised to fix him by genesis or something that's not being dishonest. at most that's being foolish. i think misguided is the best word for people like qunne to use for them. cause they are extremely extremely honest. dan complaining about the hate he's getting is honest, I really don't like how people are trying to frame it as just deflecting from cricism when yall legit just made a podcast proving his entire point. its not the fact that yall made the podcast to be clear, its how yall portrayed the devs. again, I think it would be extremely fair to portray them as misguided, disillusioned, even stubborn. past that it starts getting disrespectful I'm not gon lie
These are very important points and I could definitely see his perspective The Aether Studios team could maybe make use of PR training so they aren’t so flippant with their language. While in some ways, it’s endearing that they can get to the point with their true thoughts without corporate speak, when their true thoughts are offensive to their original fanbase, they only harm themselves and their ability to connect with their community Beyond that, this game being published by a worker co-op and the game being funded by players, so there is an assumption on my part that this will be the PEOPLE’S platform fighter. Where they make a sincere attempt to accommodate and make the best game they can since they aren’t getting funded by some huge, apathetic company. Thats the hope at least One can only hope that these devs turn out to really be working hard behind the scenes to make a great platformer and not disrespect the community that got them where they are. The worst outcome is a middling release and a dev team that’s unwilling to make broader changes for the sake of risk aversion
I will continue to wait patiently and let the devs chef up in the kitchen, but if this game legitimately becomes "shittier, furry PM", my faith in Aether Studios may be done. For as many times as I've seen Rivals 1 referred to as "Furry Melee", the game legit has it's own identity. It's so distinct, whether you're a spectator or a player. To see all that uniqueness potentially evaporate in a botched attempt at what feels like JUST pulling Smash players shows that they have less faith in their product than I do.
They are working on him I think there was a post on Twitter awhile ago that had a four legged character with floating teeth and eyes that look like him
You shouldn't panic if anything this is good cus there's a good chance dan could hear the complaints like he's already doing that hes fixing di cc and low % game
when rivals 2 comes out, they better have the new changes and upcoming balance as a mode you can turn on and off and play online with friends or offline.
Man... I just don't like reaction techchasing. Stupid execution check and like... you have to make a read bruh... don't just literally react. ion care if you techchase me for a whole minute as long as you makin' reads
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I do agree with a few of Qunne's points here, but I feel like there's a lot of bad faith in the devs.
I've played in the Kickstarter Campaign build, beta builds, server slam, and Dev brackets and I can honestly say that almost every build has been very different. The devs are testing the waters and tweaking mechanics to see what sticks. People have had access to only a handful of the builds and are formulating very strong opinions based on those. Hell, even the previous dev bracket build had very different CC mechanics.
Let the devs cook. The game IS for you if you choose to interact with its systems and not Rivals 1's.
We shall see
the game aint for me i would know that. i dont like the way its going and alot of top players and other players feel the same. the game been cooking for 6 months and i dont like any of it. and thats fine its just not for me i dont like what their cooking and its not fair to say that the game is for people when they clearly dont like it. but i get what you're saying
@@qunne5555 hey qunne
That isn't how things work, even if you try to interact with the system and mechanics it may just not click or mesh for you. That is just how life works.
Likewise you've proven why there is legitimate doubt not bad faith, if every build is very different then it feels like they had no goal or direction. Every single build also becomes an "This is the game we aren't getting" build. which inspires doubt as you can expect it to be changed as opposed to improved on. Given people have paid money and there was a kick starter already that lacking direction makes it look like the devs were not near ready to start this project.
Before you start cooking you need to know what you're going to make, especially if you asked for money already.
They need to figure out what meal they are making or it will end up burnt.
Im still not over that we interrupted this twice. I was laughing so hard when I muted.
LOL, you stole the show my man.
Ill be honest. Some audio is screwed up cause i move. Tried to edit it out but i cant. So if you hear weird noises from time to time. Thats my fault.
This convo and the comment about first impressions makes me think. Why does it seem like almost every Plat fighter has some sort of fatal flaw at launch? It almost feels like the genre has in built Monkey's Paw.
Thats actually a video ill do
This dude feels like he’s attributing so much bad faith to the developers (especially when these exact people MADE rivals 1) bc of the fact that they didn’t immediately make every change that Rivals 1 players suggested after the Genesis build.
The idea that they are “ignoring” their old community, or that they “used” them to get to where they are and then appeal to a different audience is incredibly silly. They have transparently addressed literally every complaint made in this video multiple times including their rationale for removing drift DI.
They know what is strong and what isn’t, they know what people like and don’t like about the game. They have been experimenting with solutions to fix the problems.
Idk why this guy goes on and on about how the game is bad and the character balance is trash, but then is like “yea it will be good when it launches, it’s just in beta. Not for me though!” Like dude, if you understand that and also understand that the game is inherently different from Rivals 1 systems it just sounds like you are complaining that it’s not Rivals 1.
Also acting like Dan was doing anything but making a joke about the “hate” Rivals 2 was getting is silly as well. Same with trevor and the Drift DI comment.
Let the Rivals devs cook! Trust the plan
I feel like a lot of the connotations made about the devs in this video is exactly what Dan is talking about. It’s not that they transparently and respectfully disagreed with the call for Drift DI, no it’s they’re IGNORING us. They used our love and money to make a game that’s NOT for their community, It’s not like some rivals players, including them, kusi, cake, and the thousands of other casuals actually like this direction. It’s not that ONE dev made generalized, but ignorant, one off comment about a game mechanic, no, it’s that they’re spitting in our faces. Oh they admittedly tried to fix the games problems in a patch but failed miserably? They’re ignoring us! It’s not like any live service/supported game has EVER had a bad patch. Like y’all are twisting every one of their actions as malicious. It’s okay to feel hurt, but I don’t think it’s okay to make up fanfiction of their actual motives and interpret their words without the benefit of the doubt. I do get how things can compound overtime. the one thing I DO understand feeling ignored is the Kragg thing. Aka, testers saying yo he needs to be nerfed before genesis, then not doing it. At least, with the info I have now I feel that way. I have no idea if the devs did in fact try to nerf him, or if they internally planned to just let this kragg vibe just this once, I don’t know.
Do I think drift DI should be added? I think so. I don’t think it would necessarily be better for the broader casual and low competitive scene as a whole, but I think they definitely should be in to unify the community. That’s just how I feel.
Ehh... idk. Like when we talk about drift di. Its not about adding it cause rivals 1 has it. Its cause the design of the characters are STILL like rivals 1. Only the new characters fair better for the System... so having a problem that was solved with Drift di and its still here in rivals 1... its weird and i understand Qunne. Its not about "its not rivals." Its about... "the characters are still like rivals 1 but i dont have the same options to deal with stuff." Its honestly fair. Even if there are counterpoints
There is other stuff where sure... it feels a little much but the kragg thing makes me question a lot.
I think they are trying. I just wish it was just... honest? Because of game development its the best to keep your cards to yourself. But at the same time it makes people criticize you a lot more if you dont handle it.
Maybe people are being melodramatic.... i just would rather actually get talking points rather than just let it keep bubbling into something more.
I think they can comeback from it. I just wish they were more honest.
@@SoftwareNeos what are they not being honest about, though? like its clear that they didn't think drift di was that big of a deal. trevors flippant brushing it off at first shows that. they are very very transparent with the community about like 99% of the stuff. the roadmap, the team, their goals. they haven't lied about anything or intentionally hid stuff. they agree cc needs to be fixed and they accidentally made things worse. that's not being dishonest, if anything it would make sense if yall were trying to call them incompetent. oh I told them to fix kragg and they didn't, unless they promised to fix him by genesis or something that's not being dishonest. at most that's being foolish. i think misguided is the best word for people like qunne to use for them. cause they are extremely extremely honest. dan complaining about the hate he's getting is honest, I really don't like how people are trying to frame it as just deflecting from cricism when yall legit just made a podcast proving his entire point. its not the fact that yall made the podcast to be clear, its how yall portrayed the devs. again, I think it would be extremely fair to portray them as misguided, disillusioned, even stubborn. past that it starts getting disrespectful I'm not gon lie
These are very important points and I could definitely see his perspective
The Aether Studios team could maybe make use of PR training so they aren’t so flippant with their language. While in some ways, it’s endearing that they can get to the point with their true thoughts without corporate speak, when their true thoughts are offensive to their original fanbase, they only harm themselves and their ability to connect with their community
Beyond that, this game being published by a worker co-op and the game being funded by players, so there is an assumption on my part that this will be the PEOPLE’S platform fighter. Where they make a sincere attempt to accommodate and make the best game they can since they aren’t getting funded by some huge, apathetic company. Thats the hope at least
One can only hope that these devs turn out to really be working hard behind the scenes to make a great platformer and not disrespect the community that got them where they are. The worst outcome is a middling release and a dev team that’s unwilling to make broader changes for the sake of risk aversion
To be real qunne does makes some good points though taking a more neutral stance on the matter I prefer that then just complaining
I will continue to wait patiently and let the devs chef up in the kitchen, but if this game legitimately becomes "shittier, furry PM", my faith in Aether Studios may be done. For as many times as I've seen Rivals 1 referred to as "Furry Melee", the game legit has it's own identity. It's so distinct, whether you're a spectator or a player. To see all that uniqueness potentially evaporate in a botched attempt at what feels like JUST pulling Smash players shows that they have less faith in their product than I do.
My only Rivals 2 complaint is I don't see Orcane and my brain is crying BABY WANT NOW! Though I realize it is me baaaawing so I just deal with it.
I feel like hell be there at launch
I think my favorite thing about rivals 2 is no orcane
@@qunne5555 Quote from man the day before they announced Orcane.
They are working on him I think there was a post on Twitter awhile ago that had a four legged character with floating teeth and eyes that look like him
Is there a community discord? Need a place to chat abt plat fighters but if it’s a priv thing it’s chill 👍
discord.com/invite/Z6Ndz4v5
Here ya go
@@SoftwareNeos hell yea thx!
Genuinely loved this video
Im Panicking, I dont want this Franchise to die or go the Multiverse/Tarkov/MK Route
You shouldn't panic if anything this is good cus there's a good chance dan could hear the complaints like he's already doing that hes fixing di cc and low % game
@@garf6748 what if he doesn't
@@evanallaire2829that’s not a helpful thought. You don’t want to doom spiral about the bad outcome
@@HelpfulArtifact yep I agree
@@garf6748 Whats the most logical Scenerio
Rivals 2 is gonna be the best platform fighter of all time, just shut up and watch.
The Glaze is CRAZY
@@SoftwareNeos not glaze, just facts
Qunne got a Twitter:
x.com/Qunne15
when rivals 2 comes out, they better have the new changes and upcoming balance as a mode you can turn on and off and play online with friends or offline.
Man... I just don't like reaction techchasing. Stupid execution check and like... you have to make a read bruh... don't just literally react. ion care if you techchase me for a whole minute as long as you makin' reads
It’s hilarious watching rivals fans cry over changes because as a smash player I literally couldn’t be happier
Thought smash players of all people would understand what it's like for your company to ignore you and make what you don't like
@@qunne5555the cycle never stops 😕
Stop speaking for everyone.
Boo ho