How fast does it go? 1648 Jon Boat Mud Motor Speed Test
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- How fast does it go? 1648 Jon Boat Mud Motor Speed Test
Project Bottomland Bateau: Episode 18
Ever wondered what the top speed is for a 16 foot 48 inch wide Jon Boat is? In this video we are testing 3 different longtail mud motor sizes on our 1648 Lowe Jon Boat. Follow along as we speed test the 6.5 hp predator 212. 13hp predator 420, and the 22 hp predator 670. All these motors will be tested on the same boat using a Beaver Dam Mud Runners longtail mud motor kit. And as always don't forget to stick around to the end of the video for the bloopers and the hater's corner!
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0:00 Intro
0:42 All about the test boat
1:18 Boat weight
3:36 Info about the boat build
4:36 Predator 212 6.5 hp
5:17 Predator 420 13 hp
6:12 Predator 670 22 hp
7:11 What size should you buy
8:15 Haters corner
13:43 What's coming next?
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I was just rewatching some of your vids yesterday and was thinking "man I wish he would post something soon." The vids never disappoint, keep it up brother!
The jon boats gods received your prayers and kicked me into gear so I could get a video out. More to come very soon!
Thank you for making this video I used it as a reference when building my 18 52 John boat. This is the best video for what I was doing on TH-cam. Much appreciated it saved me money and time and headache.
Gald I could help. Thanks for watching.
I am working my way through all your videos. Keep them coming Rick from CT. Shared them with my son-in-law. 👍
I live vicariously through this channel. I am separated from my boat by the Atlantic Ocean at the moment, but should be home in time for duck season back in Virginia and look to this channel for ideas. You certainly provide many examples.
Glad i can provide some vicarious living my man! Wait till I put a harley motor on one of these things and go full send.... thats vicarious times a million!
@@SendItJonBoats Do it! Drown out those scooter types with noise!
Perfect video all the info I was looking for and love the scooter talk
Awesome, glad I could help. THanks for watching.
You never disappoint with the videos! 3 in depth mud motor reviews and now 3 different hp test runs. I know this is expensive to do and I appreciate it!
Thanks for checking out the video, it ain't cheap and is time consuming but people want the info and I like getting the info out there.
Very informative and entertaining as always!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching.
So glad I discovered your channel, awesome content, filming, editing and of course humor :) Keep it up!
Thanks for checking out the videos, glad you are enjoying it.
Dude you F'n crack me up. Thanks for the videos I look forward to watching them.
Glad I could make ya giggle!
Really enjoy your channel, love those long tails I put a longtail on a surfboard in my last video was pretty quick! Looking forward to see more of your projects!
On a surfboard???? I got to go check that out! Yee Yee to the next level my man!!!
Thanks for the information! I desperately wanted a bigger motor on my boat but it’s 12 ft length prevents it. The added weight would be counterproductive in my case. I ended up building my 212 motor out to get the extra horsepower. Hopefully I’ll be able get a 16 ft in the near future. I appreciate you taking us along on your boat building adventures.
a 212 with some mods will actually run pretty well. I had a 212 stage 1 on my old 1436 and it ran 16 with 2 people
Very entertaining. Thanks for doing your videos
Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoyed it.
It’s officially send it season!
Sure is... the unicorn does not like the cold so I have to keep him inside during the winter. Suns out, unicorns out!!!!
I average around 20mph in my 16x51 polar kraft. 22hp predator bone stock on a mudskipper twister 8.5 inch prop. With a heavy load it drops to around 15mph. Great video man keep it up 👍👍
Thats a good speed for such a wide boat.
Love your vids man
Thank you! Appreciate you watching.
Awesome video thank you
Thanks, glad you enjoyed it.
I was surprised at the speed you got with the 13hp. I had a 1448 with a 13hp sps Longtail and never got over 15 with an empty boat. I then put that motor on a surface drive kit and could never get the prop right. It actually idled faster than it went at full throttle. As always great video.
That boat is crazy heavy for a 13hp, but I think with some mods it could get some more speed, but dang if it hasn't been the most reliable motor I have ever owned.
I liked the hater corner part of the video the best! Haha keep up the great work. Also, I saw a video recently where you did a Jon boat pint job with Anthony Jones. It’s great that you both work together sometimes. Your both very talented.
A dub is my boy! I always paint boats for him, we have a lot of fun together. Glad you enjoyed the video.
I'm working on my 1982 Lowe 1436 right now. V2 had wood framing and 3/4 decking, switching to aluminum framing and 1/2 plywood decking. Installing a livewell, a 7 rod locker and going with lithium batteries. Overall I think I'm going to lose about 170lbs. It was fine before but I'm trying to break the 30 mph barrier. It has been a test of abilities and patience. I feel like I'm on the downhill slide now. 70% of the framing is done. Been working on it in the evenings for about 2 weeks. The first week was a LOT of head scratching. I'm running a 20hp tohatsu 4 stroke.
I am jealous of your lithium batteries... My wallet is going to hurt when I make that switch. Ughh
thank you for the scooter comments. I've been jonesen for them.
LOL Thanks John, appreciate you watching.
Great videos bud, send it
Thanks! Will do!
Get it bro!
Yee Yee
I just started watching this guys videos this morning this guy cracks me the fuck up lol love the haters corner
Love to give the haters some extra LUV, thanks for watching.
Love these videos. I am currently working on figuring out how to put a v twin motor on my boat. But my Vtwin is off of a motorcycle. Off of a vn900 custom Kawasaki motorcycle. On the bike it dyno at 51hp. It was a belt drive bike so I am working out the logistics of putting a long tail on that. My son said just build a small paddle wheel and run a belt to it since Im already being stupid lol
I am in the same logistical nightmare right now with a few motor builds. I have so many ideas floating in my head but until I get time to sit down and play with the engines it is all just insanity. We putting a harley motor on something soon though!!!
Can't wait to see the bow fishing both the bow and your jon boat. I'm shooting a recurve on and off over at Jackson dam on gar, I believe up tge road from y'all.
Yup the dam is like 10-15 minutes from me.
@@SendItJonBoats nice, maybe I'll run into you bow fishing off the rocks, send it
Videos awesome!!!!
Made my day. Thanks bro. Still looking for the "Send It" decal for my flat bottom girl.
Let me find out what's going on with the sticker stuff... I got a company supposed to be handling that for me.
This is great information. The ridiculous costumes are top notch.
LOL, gotta keep everyone on their toes.
Nice video. I got a 1436 flatbottom with a stage 1 420cc and get 20 to 21 mph with me my cooler, tackle, lightweight floor, lightbar, deep cycle battery and a 5 gallon gas tank and my girlfriend. Looking by the end of the season to put a briggs 18hp vtwin on my medium kit and be able to get near 30mph. You should do a boat build with a high rpm motor that would be an awesome mini series
I got an idea for a small drag racing boat I want to do in the near future
Love your videos! Very informative and inspiring!
Have you considered a small jet outboard instead of the mud motor? And also depending on the rivers/waters you run have you considered doing a tunnel hull for the jet or just going flat bottom
I ran the same setup on my 1654 grizzly and got 27mph alone and 22mph with 3 guys and gear. Stock engine with the governor removed and gutted exhaust, was turning a 9in at 4200 rpms. My boat ran great with that set up. Sold it to buy an 1854 gatortail
How you liking that gatortail? I need to get a hold of one for a review video.
@@SendItJonBoats Haven't picked it up yet, placed a custom order for a built Gator tail 1854 extreme with the 40gtr. But there is a 6-9month wait time or new boats now. Hoping to have it by august
Ok first off great video. Second thing, when you were reading the message about the facial hair. Sack hammock 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
LMAO... I know right, who calls it a sack hammock lol
Bruh.... the outfit changes! 🤣🤣🔥🔥
LoL, got to keep it interesting.
Good video showing the versatility of the different size mudmotors.
79cc= why does it even exist lol
212cc= solo 10ft to 12ft builds 301cc= double the torque of 212cc and mid grade workhorse for 12 to 14ft builds Might be a rocket on a 10ft not yet tested. 420cc= general workhorse for most 12 to 16ft applications. 670cc= torque monster for anything that can support it from 12 to 14ft vhull to 14ft to 16ft flatbottoms. The best overall workhorse we have found so far is Duromax 18hp 440cc with back up pull starter/electric start #xp18hpe especially staged one. That engine gives you the best value for power and 3yr warranty as well. Best overall engine I can tell for the price and warranty at $429. We did similar speeds with the Duromax #xp18hpe as the 670cc on #2silver2bullet . Keep up the good work my man. SEND IT!!!!!
Thanks for watching!
Have you thought about doing a review on the mudskippers twister
Yes I have, but unless they send me one I won't do it. I have no need for one personally.
Brother keep it up man , forget the Scooters I think what your doing is good stuff at least your having fun and it works and if it don’t who gives a Branden
LOL. We got to give the scooters some love man! LMAO. Thanks for watching
XP35HPE is now available from Harbor Freight. 999cc 58 ft-lb motor which would be A LOT OF FUN TO TEST!
I want one of those 999 so bad. Cant afford it right now, but one day.
@@SendItJonBoats looks pretty insane!
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just here to freakout AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH............ wait, what was that about, i'm so confused, where's my pillow....... 🤣🤣 ... great stuff as usual bud 👍
The my pillow guy can help you out. LMAO! Thanks for watching!
@@SendItJonBoats 🤣🤣🤣 funny bastard
My guess for the engine you chose is 1 of 3, a Harley engine (would have awesome options for screamin eagle parts) , a snowmobile engine (seen that on a surface drive before and it worked amazing) or a 3 cylinder diesel.
So close but yet so not correct. LOL I will eventually be using a harley engine on this boat, but not yet. I got a few surprise motors to try before we go the harley route.
@@SendItJonBoats my only other guess is a rotary. That would make an interesting long tail engine 🤔
@@waddell7354 rotary would be fun, but no rotary in the plans right now
Excellent. You're no where close to the danger zone at 1100 lbs, trust me. Looking forward to some bowfishing videos.
It actually rides really good at 1100 pounds.... but you know how them scooters are! LOL
Cant wait for it to warm up in Ohio. Last time I had my swamp runner out, the boat ended up half sunk and the motor was underwater! She is ready for more action.
It it still a little chilly here, but it is almost time.
Awesome video! Would love to see 420cc hoped and ran against the stock 670cc. I’ve been doing research on these longtails and they seem to run best between 6000 and 7000 rpm. Makes sense now why most outboards WOT in that range. I think it would be a good race since the stage 2 kit and stock 420 cost about the same as a 670 stock and there’s about a 40lbs weight savings
I will be dropping some serious time and work on some 420's this year. Like you I think it is the best bang for the buck hands down and it makes some crazy power for being a single cylinder. I am hoping after I get the builds done I can find a dyno to put them on, that will be a great video.
until someone drops the coin in there 670, remember the old an true saying, there's no replacement or displacement, if the 420+hp parts= the same price (or close enough) to the 670 then you're in a much better place buying the 670 to begin with (that's why i laugh at riceburners 🤣).........
@@arronjohnston742 very true
@@SendItJonBoats
Do you watch Robot cantina is is doing really cool stuff with a 420 and soon a 620.
Great video. But I will say that I started thinking about the haters corner. Awesome that you call them scooter. But the thought I had ( for 30 minutes or seconds or so) is what would happen if their name was actually scooter 🤔
LOL, hell I dont know what to do if their name is really scooter! LMAO
Hey Skooter.. your funny… SEND IT!!!
LOL Send it
How did you connect external gas tank to stock gas tank to fill up on engine?
I know nothing about mud motors, but I have been wanting to get a mud motor before next duck season. This is probably gonna be a stupid question, but I was wondering how often do you have to replace them air filter. I was also wondering where you ran your gas tank to in your boat.
I replace the air filter every year, they do not get that dirty since there is not much dust on the lakes and rivers.
I run a cheap portable 6 gallon gas tank for now. Eventually I will make a gas tank that fits under the back bench.
Hey love ur vids I’m looking into getting a a mud motor saw u did this vid and and one for a 10ft I got a 14ft by 48in and I saw ur review on the different brand I was thinking get the beaver dam but was wondering what size motor would u recommend
On a 1448 I would go 22hp all day. It can handle it.
Just playing scooters advocate here... A pop rivet is a lot different from a solid rivet... Still welding isn't always all that great. especially on aluminum. Annealed aluminum has the structural integrity of bubble gum. And hardening aluminum required knowledge of the alloy being used an oven with precise heat control and heating of the entire part to within a small margin of the melting temperature. Water quenching, often straightening and depending on the alloy an aging process that can be 2 additional heating steps. There is a reason Jon boats are solid riveted from the factory. There is a reason planes are riveted. There is a reason some fancy sports cars are glued and not welded. That said a good welder can make the heat affected area small and some alloys can naturally age over a period of 96 hours to t4 condition. You just have to decide if it's important to have a rigid part and if you can get it or keep it that way when heat is involved.
Any hands on knowledge of the predator 301cc as a mud motor set up? Looking for my 12' v bottom
Could you try out those china diesel engines for the long tail mud motor? They make alot of torque and they are easy to turbocharge
China diesel engines????? Never heard of this wizardry.... shoot me a link on bookface or my email if you can please chris@tbnoutdoors.net
@@SendItJonBoats hell yeah I'll send you a few links
I always recommend going with the most HP your boat can handle. 👍🏻🍺
I know this is an old video but you seem to know your stuff and I'm having trouble tuning my beaver dam kit on a tracker 1448 where about did your prop run with the predator 670 was it in front of where the wakes me or right with it? I have tried many different fixes on mine and as soon as I let down work pressure off my prop wants to pop out of the water.
What kind of issues were you having with the 22hp to have you change the carb? Im currently troubleshooting some issues with mine as well and I’m thinking it has something to do with the carb
Was that Ryan? If so tell him he needs to be in the dad bod pose on the front 🤣
Yup, that was ol' fireant. I will let him know to pose next time.
Hell I’ll text him. Hell I’m the kid at the convenience store. I know that sumbitch but not sure ww
Where damn it.
I wonder what it would do with a surface drive
Well.... we gotta find out. One day I will get some surface drives for testing.
I have a 1542 with a predator 22 hp mudskipper twister motor and I can only get 10 mph it seems to grab untill about 25% rpm then it slips and won’t go any fast just sounds like it doing hauling but doesn’t accelerate much at all
Directions unclear- Pepe wound up in light socket ⚡️
LMAO.... I dont thnk even directions will help with that.
I got the same year boat
Awesome. they sure don't build em' like they used to!
I’m interested in finding out if you get the shaft machined and welded can you put the propeller off an outboard motor. Have you tried anything like this? I’m building a short tailed surface drive. Can you help me with this subject?
Outboard props are no good on a mud motor, they work in totally differnt ways and it would not be fun to drive.
I have a 1648 amumacraft with a 420 long tail and my max speed is 13mph. Idk why it’s so slow the boat has nothing done to it. Any thought.s?
on a good guess, how fast would i be going with a 18hp surface drive on a 1436. thanks!
20's would be easy. I had a 1436 before this boat, and with a stage 1 212 kit I was running 16 down the river by myself.
What do you think a 212 cc Predator that has not yet been broken in is worth? It has a very long extension on it. Thank you in advance.
No clue, 100 bucks maybe
Where did the exhaust come from on the 22hp,,you may have mentioned it but I missed it
Jeff Clines. he is on Facebook, builds awesome custom exhaust!
@@SendItJonBoats nice
My 212 with sps on a 1436 did 19-21 down hill.
Nice
You would be a lot of fun to hang out with
ive got a 1670 put pods on her going run a 25hp go-devil longtail
Heck yeah, go devils are awesome too!
any recomendations on a surface drive? im just starting the planning stages on a 16ft tracker grizzly. heavy ass welded boat im a little unsure about a long tail on a wide heavy hull.
Surface drive brands are like dudes fighting over chevy ford and dodge... pick one you like and go for it.
@@SendItJonBoats
thanks for the reply, whats your opinion on longtail vs surface drive on a 1652 grizzly. its not a true flat bottom but ive only got 800 bucks in the boat and trailer together. couldnt pasd up the opportunity.
@@alexbell9196 Either one will work, it is all personal preference and how much money you want to spend
Was this test done on a short or tall transom? I have a 1648 and can't get the speed you are getting. Thank you
16 inch transom, they work best on low or short transoms
Should try the new duramax 999cc engine with a little work it could replace the 670
Did not know they had a 999.... going to check that out!
Have you made any headway on a homemade beaver tail motor?
Haha nevermind, I just got to the end of the video.
Yup. getting to it
What exhaust do you have on the 420
Beaver Dam Mud Runners exhaust. I love it.
you could start a second channel called "Send It Cosplay"
LMAO... I need to start selling pictures of my feet online to afford these boat projects lol.
I have a 1548 and im thinking of using a 420cc due to not wanting to spend $1000 dollars on the 22hp. do you think ill be able to get decent speeds?
Yeah a 420 would do pretty good. Proably get around 15-20 with it and some mods.
G3 1544 , 15hp mercury, 25mph solo 22mph with my family of 5 (small kids)
Nice, that is a good speed on that hull! Keep sending it!!!!
I was actually suprised you were able to get the 6.5 to push that 1648 so fast. I was expecting something along the lines of 5 to 6 mph. Btw, scooter who said .050 is metric didn't bother to check context or realize that we use freedom units here. Technically .050 can be either a metric or standard depending on CONTEXT and WHERE it's being used. You can have a .050 millimeter but I know of no metal supplier or parts manufacturer that sells primarily to the US that uses that small of a measurement in metric, besides that metric size is close to micron scale so either he is an idiot or hasn't a clue.
Remember scooter, millimeter is a long word, but a shortttt distance.
Yeah I was guessing it was going to be like 5mph with that 6.5. I had to go way down in prop size to get it working but I made it work.
What's the speed with an older trawerling motor?
No clue.
More than enough.
Even i knew that was in inches. Call you Lamont
LMAO... everybody knew, except scooter apparently! LOL
Send it
Yee Yee. Thanks for watching
Scootin' with scooters
Gotta give them some love... and maybe a high five... in the face... with a chair.
And I get about 21 with a 1542 crawfish go devil frame,,super short frame,,22hp predator
That 21 is give or take
Sounds about right. I like those 1542 boats. They are good hulls.
@@SendItJonBoats yea I put a deck in front for fishing,,the best for trail riding I think is a 1442 light hull with nothing more that a gas tank and myself and a 22 rifle,,mayb same motor
@@SendItJonBoats what did you use exactly for throttle lever,,I’m still using the cruise control lever, would like to try brake lever gas pedal,,lol
@@clayton203 The long tail kits come with a throttle lever. They may actually sell them separate.
Lmao, I wanted to take the 2 piece mudskipper longtail and only use 1 of the shaft pieces to make a short tail
Im just going to cut down one of my extra shafts
@@SendItJonBoats I'm hoping to test out my beavertail longtail this weekend
Has anyone used an eBay Diesel motor
Not yet but I have had a lot of peopl asking about them. I will have to get one and try it out.
THATS WHERE MY AXE WENT! 🤦♂️
I still got it.
@@SendItJonBoats What about thr cold steel Gladius?😂
I had a 1448 and 1648 jon boats. Currently have a 1850 mud boat with hunt deck and a big block prodrive. I definitely enjoy watching these videos and it takes me back to my young and broke days were I had to make these Tin cans run like a raped ape 🦧 to kill ducks. (No apes were harmed or molested in any of my boat builds)
I am going to start a support group for assaulted apes... poof fellas! LOL
Yeah man I hear ya, these things are fun to play around with and folks with little money like to build them. I am enjoying finding out what actually works and what is BS people read on the interwebs. Thanks for watching, glad you are enjoying the videos.
for the beard hater....your mom doesnt mind mine....
LMAO!!!! My Hero big dave in the house!!!!
hey I’m trynna bild me a bowfishn boat to. Hey culd u tolk som more bout ur bowfishn boat bild I dont really no if I wont some lights that run off generater or battery but I guess I’ll do som more reaserchin thanks
I will be doing a few videos on the bowfishing build. I cant wait.
1648 weight issue don’t sweat it man I’ve seen six assholes in one of them boats fishing before yeah it was right at the waterline but it didn’t sink
LOL, I couldn't imagine being in my boat with 6 people. 3 is cramped enough!
I need some surface drive info help!!!!
I am not a surface drive guru but I know enough to be dangerous. What ya got?
Would it be a bad idea to run one in a shallow rocky river where most guys use jet outboards
@@andrewhotzman5502 it will be fine, just keep an extra prop on board incase you break one on a rock
Weight capacity as long water stays out you are ok.
I got a few leaky rivets to fix, but other than that it floats just fine.
Leaky rivets is fine means it's still floating. Like an oil leak in an airplane means it still got oil good to go
@@omieyouknowme LOL, that is a good way to put it.
That's right! If the rivets work on a 747 they will work on any metal boat. For gosh sakes... we won WW2 with riveted airplanes.
If it ain't sinkin, then it's not overweight
I've been getting some great tips from your channel man, really helping with my own build and what I want to add. Problem is my wallet seems to have run away (or my wife is hiding it)
Boats stands for Bust Out Another Thousand.... My builds just keep getting more and more expensive and youtube just dont pay me enough to do all the things I want to do.
Need some bowfishing videos!
Coming soon! I love bow fishing
Bow fishing. I’d like to try that shit
It is fun!
difference between a alpaca and a llama is about 150lbs alpacas are smaller
Thanks for setting me straight... I always wondered.
I thought my boat was heavy.
LOL, yeah she is a little heavy, but she is about to get heavier!
New subscriber here. Love the videos. However, it is now my life goal to be in the scooter section of a video, so here it goes.
Your mother was a hamster and you father smelt of elderberries.
We are going to have to work on your insult skills... but I think you have potential scooter! Keep working on it and thanks for the sub!
gas turbine from a huey helicopter???
That would be awesome... but no!
There's an awfull lot of beard real-estate going on around the mouth. Thinking it all traveled down south to Ass-tralia! 🤣😂
Rivets suck.... weld that chit cuh!
Rivets work fine for me. You weld it.