I wouldn't call that his mistake tho. The lack of indication that would be a problem, is more a mistake on the dev side. Like, when you start the tutorial, it should indicate on the "Play the tutorial" box, that you should turn hints on for best experience or something like that.
Those hints took a lot of work! Glad you’re finally seeing them 😉 thanks for taking the time to remake a video. I know that’s a pain. Lots of people put a lot of work into getting this tutorial playable. Glad you feel it’s a good start!
Hey, just wanted to point out a little inconsistency with the drinking/eating part. The hint, interaction and mission step validation all center around just picking the item up, with no direction about how to actually use them. Olli is doing it out of habit and maybe hasn't noticed, but I imagine a new player would be happy with just seeing the next step of the mission unlock and thus wouldn't actually be taught how to use those item once out in the world. Would be a good place to mention the mechanics of sipping/chugging by either clicking or holding the mouse button, I've often seen people go through hours of gameplay without knowing about that. Could be even better to make the player have a helmet to remove so he gets acquainted to that part of the mechanic, although that might be more work than it's worth. Anyway, good job getting that thing going!
Much better with the "Hints" turned on. Still missing some things though. 1). Press "I" for inventory to equip the helmet. (Olli may have short circuited this by doing it before it was prompted.) 2). Tell players about the mouse wheel BEFORE prompted to take off. This will prevent crashing into the top of the hanger on first take off. 3). Ship MFDs are a thing and have a lot of functionality. How about mentioning that? 4). No prompt to shut ship down after landing. You know, so when it is retrieved next time it isn't floating in the air in the hanger and unable to be entered. 5). No prompt to close ship up to prevent mischief of other players. 6). No prompt for using the inner thought wheel (Hold F + Right click) Otherwise it is good. It does mention the mouse wheel after take off. The mouse wheel functions is a thrust limiter, which has the side effect of limiting speed. I do hate the change they made to it for 3.18. I used to be able to scale the thrust down for nice gentle landings using the mouse wheel. Now it goes from too much thrust to no thrust and with coupled mode on that means you just hover there instead of descending for a landing. Scroll the mouse wheel up one click and strafe down and you land like you are angry at the landing gear. On 4 and 5 one would hope players would think to shut the ship down and close the door, but it doesn't even remind one what the key is. 3 is unnecessary, but the MFDs can help a lot when one forgets what some of the keybinds are. When I learned you could use the MFDs to request landing in 3.16 I stopped using F11. Reason being I could keep flying the ship towards the landing location. Pressing F11 means the mobiglas comes up and blocks the whole screen so you can't see if you are about to fly into something. Using the MFDs relegates the ATC call to one of the cockpit displays so you can see where you are flying while the call goes through and ATC assigns a landing pad or hanger. The Inner thought wheel comes in handy when forgetting key binds as well or when getting around bugs. For the 3.18 patch cycle requesting takeoff/landing did not work for me when pressing F11, using the MFDs, or the assigned keybind. The only way I've been able to request takeoff/landing was to use the "Request Landing" option of the inner thought menu. I didn't even know it was an option until someone in global chat told me during the 3.18 patch cycle.
You may be confused. The mouse wheel controls the **speed** limiter and there is another control, something like Alt-mousewheel? (I mapped it to a joystick wheel), to set the thrust level. Also, if you are using a throttle then 50% throttle gives you half the speed set by your speed limiter.
@@RobinHartJones I am not confused. The "speed limiter" has been mislabeled ever since its implementation. It operates as a thrust limiter, i.e. the lower it is set the less thrust is provided by the thrusters. If it was simply a speed limiter it would still result in very rapid acceleration, but to a lower maximum speed. Instead at low settings the acceleration is greatly attenuated, or at least it was prior to 3.18.
I just played for the first time last night and I've never been more confused in my life this game doesn't explain anything, couldn't get out the hanger without a freaking tutorial
With the hints on it's an entirely different experience. Outstanding work on their part. (and good on you for admitting your error) The only thing I'd like to add is them prompting you to go change your imprint in the hospital to the tutorial. It's really something everyone ought to do, to the point where I'd say it's the first thing to do on arriving in a new station unless you know why you don't want to.
It's possible the way regeneration works isn't how they want it to work in the grand scheme of things, so higher ups would fight against putting it in the tutorial and making it 'official' so to speak.
@@mattmcginn8096 they dont want people to think of regeneration as an easy out, but that isnt the same thing as being in the habit of making frequent imprints just in case.
Generally agree with your point … just keep in mind that the tutorial is supposed to cover „the first 30 minutes“. And I think this tutorial will help new players (if they decide to actually do it) and reduce the number of redundant questions in chat like „how do I turn on my ship“ (especially during the free flight events).
I tries the tutorial the second it came out. Looking at the next update of the tutorial (the one you played) it seems that they have already done some updates to the tutorial already to make it even better! This is a great thing for new players to have.
I think you are right i tested this yesterday and this morning they have tweaked the ATC landing take off part of it I like the way they get 15k as well thats a good chunk of money for a new starter.
Even a simple bit of text that says "Please ensure Hints/Ship Entry Labels, etc are enabled in the options Menu." I can totally see that someone might play the game for a bit they might disable some of the options, then they don't play the game again for months or even years, it should still prompt the player to ensure everything is going to show up and make sense. Not to mention that in a few months or years or whatever, there will be new things in the tutorial, including other tutorials for mining and such. Things that even veteran players might want to brush up on, or learn about new features.
Can always count on Olli to own up to mistakes, great video. I think your right with the tutorial automatically changing that setting. Would have to be only that setting though. They have obviously thought about key binds when building this as the hints show your current key binds, not the generic one. So maybe a script to toggle that setting on while in the tutorial only would be a great addition
Just a couple nitpicks about the tutorial, but I think it's definitely a much better experience for new players. They really need to go into equipping your helmet so you don't just purchase one at Area18 and reach Bajini Point without it (also would introduce inventory management). Once you get to Bajini Point, they also should have you set your respawn location at the clinic, so you know how to do that. When I and a couple org mates went through the tutorial a few of us had checkpoints that seemed to not activate. Mine occurred when reaching the lobby so I had to go back to a hangar and then it registered but another person had missed the tram and couldn't seem to activate the checkpoint beyond that point. I'm sure they'll get the issues figured out and it puts new players in a far better place once completed.
Kudos at owning to the…eh… oversight and redoing the video. Great video as always. Perhaps you’ll be able to use the prior one as example of how settings matter a bunch in SC.
Couple of things that are really missing, and could have been integrated into the tutorial rather easily - Opening inventory and equipping helmet - Using MobiGlass to access missions (would have fit nicely after storing the tutorial ship) - Using the chat to ask for help, tips and tricks (tutorial could have ended with this) Also, I don't know if this is in, as I haven't actually played the tutorial, but it would be nice if all the tips were stored in the journal afterwards as they are only shown for a few seconds each.
It's roughly five months later. The CitizenCon just finished a few hours ago. I bought some stuff (digital CitizenCon goodies and a ship) and am getting into the game right now. I played SC a few years ago for a very short time and decided I would revisit it later. This time, I had some challenges and decided to watch a tutorial video. I found this video and decided to watch it because I just watched a video you made a few days ago about the new (I forget what they're called, but quantum destinations should be "good enough"). I'm halfway through this video and have decided to move along to another video because this has turned into a tutorial on how to be tilted about the video you made yesterday with default settings turned off. There was very little extra help or advice given that a truly new player would find useful. There was a lot of grumbling about the wasted effort from making the previous video. I'm sure I'll be back later to watch more of your SC content.
As a brand spanking new player, I found the tutorial to be very helpful indeed. Having said that, I have learned most of the little bit that I know from channels like this. Thank you.
I sometimes use auto-land because I think it gives an advantage to whether you can refuel or not (and sometimes I am just lazy). I think the game auto-detects whether or not you have joysticks attached. If you do, you get which joystick buttons to use. If you don't and are just using a mouse, it only gives what mouse buttons to press. You must have had your sticks plugged in (also, I bet that if you had a controller plugged in it would give you which controller buttons to press).
Actually your tutorial yesterday shows a gap in the developers logic they should automatically set those settings for you that way if you choose the tutorial that those settings will be set for you even if you had them turned off to begin with
total respect Olli, it takes a decent person to admit a mistake, but to also go 1 step further showing how and why, and correcting it then apologising... i commend you cos i can say not a lot of streamers would do what you have :) and thanks for the re-corrected video :)
The tutorial was good enough for a new player. Gets them to their ship and shows how to buy stuff and eat etc. I'm very happy they didn't add mining, salvage, combat to the tutorial as it could make it hours long. Have these as separate optional tutorials you can try as a player gets used to the game. They wouldn't let you access your ships if you didn't do it which if your an experienced player was irritating.
I got in the habit of always using auto-land when 3.17 had refuel/repair issues at hangars and mining outposts. It seemed to help. But NEVER use auto-land on ships like the Carrack. Straight-up had auto land continuously ram my Carrack into the walls over and over in the hangar. The only way to stop it is to turn the ship completely off and pray you survive the landing, lol.
ONE THING: The tutorial didnt tell to shut off engines or power after landing in Baijini. Means, ship will either fly away in seconds, or levitate after spawn :D
in theory, those things are bugs that will be fixed, so the tuturial doesnt need to cover them. It's not an issue for the tuturial ship specifically, because you'll never see that ship again.
lol I watched your version 1.0 last night and watching through this it looks like just having the hints turned on have more or less directly addressed every single issue you raised :P
Olli, was introduced to your channel by your Starfield content. Really enjoyed it. Seeing more Star Citizen now I really want to play it as well. It looks absolutely gorgeous. As someone that doesn’t own a PC or have much knowledge about them, I have 2 questions? How much would a PC cost that could run the game now as well as through completion of the game without upgrading components? And, would I also need to be pretty smart with all aspects of computers to be able to adjust or fine tune a lot of different things? I’ve avoided PC gaming since the crazy early 2000s when every laptop I bought was outdated before I got it home. Any info would be appreciated. Catch a smile out there. o7
I just got locked out of the tutorial as a new player due to an infinite load screen bug and the inability to start the tutorial again after the character reset. Thank you so much for this! At least I'm not totally blind now
To be fair, they should probably make the tutorial hints show up regardless of the "Show Hints" or note whether it's turned off in the settings in the future, but I can see how that could have slipped through the cracks. It'd be rare for a user to have the default settings not set on a first play through, but if they played arena commander or something where the hints are less useful, they may had turned off the hints in the overall game settings before entering PU for the first time.
@Olli43: In your defence, CIG should turn on these settings while the tutotial is active if they aren't for whatever reason. Maybe someone tinkert with the settings beforehand and accidentally turned one off.
I bought the game in 2015 or 16 and got the Aurora ship. I havent even taken off in my ship even once. Lol I felt intimidated to start the game by the time that some content was actually added:) Elite Damgerous was really tough for me to learn.
I never autolanded. If you can’t get your ship off the ground and back your a not a pilot haha. But it’s good to have it if you initially have difficulties with setting the camera to the right angles when things are tight.
Maybe they should have added a prompt whether you wanted the hints on or not? Otherwise it would've been good for the devs to just leave those on by default. The fact that you had to dig into the menus to find that says something about what may potentially need improving too
Got the game, booted up, joined tutorial - and i didn't have those tips... hence why I'm here :D Got to the shop and nothing in the Journal said what to buy
Great vid! You should do a recap on all the missions now available in 3.18 and how to access/unlock them. I honestly lost track of what has been added and find myself defaulting to just doing bounties and bunkers, which is getting very stale.
I still remember the first time I played star citizen back in patch 3.12. I spent over an hour in area18 looking for a way to spawn my ship. Then another few hours trying to fly/ manually going to moons because I didn’t know how to spoil. Good times.
Late to the party, but your positivity is why I follow you. Thank you for your content. There is so much salt and negativity abound that it is just soul sucking.
Ps. You shouldn't hammer yourself to much. Think they fixed it in the patch because it was not all in there and the game settings were all on default (all hints on). Also noticed things were very delayed on the server i was playing on and messages in the tutorial was extremely delayed.
To be fair... if you turn the tutorial on those hints should enable automatically. Or it should be untied from the hints. Bit of an oversight because ppl turn hints off generally because they suck in a lot of games and clutter the HUD.
In your defense, it wasn't enabled for me either. I only knew where to go because I've played before. I was consulting the journal without the context clues. CIG should enable those hints by default on the tutorial.
I still believe that the Turtorial should be more diegetic and should involve taking a turtorial mission from the contract manager, as well as providing the players with the same gear you normally get when first getting into the verse in a new patch and the turtorial should involve buying a tractor beam rather than a helmet.
I used autoland back when using it brought your ship to a dead stop almost instantly so you could go zipping at a landing pad and use it to brake safely.
Holy crap - 'current location' market in SC? I thought it was impossible to develop! xD Frankly, I think turning on hints and labels should be automatic when you start the tutorial. Seems like nobody thought about this scenario within the QA team in CIG...
That is not your mistake, Olli. The game really needs to check whether you have hints turned on before the tutorial. They cannot rely on default settings for something like this.
Yeah exactly. If anyhting Olli found a kink that needs to be ironed out before the tutorial goes to the live servers. Nothing to apologize to the devs for, they should be thanking him for finding their error!
its nice they do have a tutorial but honestly the game doesn't need hand holding its not for everyone and its meant to play around with and understand and designed for more hardcore players similar to eve online. Eve gives a simple tutorial and then the rest is honestly up to you to figure out
I personally don't think that one needs to be told when going into space wear a helmet, but a beginners tutorial to understand the helmet and HUD would be useful IMO.
You're not the only content creator or vocal noisemaker who didn't know to toggle those options to get ALL the parts of the tutorial working, so that's on CIG to force-toggle (even if temporarily) the hints while the tutorial is running.
I really hope CIG patches the game for use with controllers. I know there are too many mechanics for them all to fit on a controller, but let us map the interact button on a controller so I can play hooked up to my tv like i want to without needing a keyboard and mouse nearby.
I'm facepalming so much. I had both those off too and they're SO USEFUL for this tutorial. They would be on by default for new players, but I'm guessing not so for seasoned players testing in the PTU. Maybe when you click "play tutorial" those should be automatically turned on so no information is lost?
I went on a mission after bumbling through the "tutorial" and promptly died on the surface of what I presume was a freezing planet with no helmet. Walked into the shop and bought nothing because I didn't know I needed anything there.
TBF the last time I played the hints were like always spamming it felt like, so I turned it off. Im glad I saw this for when it goes live, because mine are 100% turned off.
At 9:50; did you hit something or did the Pieces come damaged? ;-) It works so much better with the proper settings on. When I started (v2.5), Autoland didn't work very well, but I could take off and land "any" ship (when available), first try like a BOSS... until the flight engine was updated. ;-) Yes, this would have been so helpful when I started, I didn't even know what "WSAD" was. ;-D
there should still be some indication that you need hints on, or that you turned them off. Maybe there is now. But I wouldn't call that your mistake. I would call it an oversight of the devs.
Who's playing Zelda: TOTK atm?. Can't believe it got a leak, real stable and performance with the 60fps on a 3090 is pretty excellent imo. Also, Yuzu seems to be pretty solid on the latest build . Enjoy the leak
I got very frustrated my first time doing the tutorial. I did not have hints or ship entry on by default let alone know they exist. This was a couple months back and I ended up have to search for everything on TH-cam. Had I also not have a friend help guide me I would probably just uninstall the game.
While the tutorial does help all of the things it teaches you I found out with about 3 minutes of googling before I want to know where I should actually go out into the world to find missions and start actually doing something.
They need to turn those messages on regardless of settings if you are going through the tutorial mission. That setting can be a simple mistake when you don't understand
im convinced the fact they dont tell you to put on a helmet, and the fact they dont make you set a respawn in bajini, is because they expect you to go take some box delivery mission like every new player will, get out of their ship, and die. then the tutorial continued in the medbay
I also tried the tutorial today and made the same mistake as you. Thought the whole time what this for a pointless and unhelpful tutorial should be. Okay, now I know better. Thank you very much.
So, I did the tutorial and now I'm in that station. Now what? I literally have no idea wtf to do or where to go, I tried to call my ship and leave but there was so much debris outside the hanger door I exploded just trying to squeeze out past all the blown up ships....
I use autoland a lot actually. When I get to the refinery with a full load of raw quantanium, I'm always worried I'll land too hard and go boom lol. So I use the auto land lol.
I did the tutorial, and it was messed up, it didn't register me going down the elevator. After that point it was all down hill. Had to go back to the placed I spawned and go down every floor until until it allowed me. to skip that darn thing.
Thank you for the video. I was trying to do the tutorial and I messed up. The controls feel so atrocious to me and I accidentally went too far while trying to learn the control. Whatever it is for warp drive. Well there’s a timer and I couldn’t get back in time. So I ended up failing the tutorial. Which I l couldn’t find an option to restart or anything. So I was left confused on what I missed or what I was supposed to to do now
Olli43 … this cracks me up … EVERYONE has had situations, where we are complete idiots (anyone remember Gilda Radner as the church lady in SNL „Endanged Feces“?) … good that you can laugh about it and own it. Chapeau!
I attempted the tutorial. I died because I spawned standing on the bed, clipped into the wall. My journal now says I failed because I "Failed to get out of Bed"
I have severe ADHD and dyslexia and the text frequently disappears before I read half if it. On my screen the text is small, blurry and too compact. Also there is nothing in my journal about the tutorial. I have no way to know what I need to do in order to finish the tutorial. I only did the tutorial because it said, I couldn't get a ship until it was completed and if i skipped the tutorial i wouldn't be able to start the tutorial. At this point, I would literally pay someone to login with my character and finish the tutorial for me. This is a nightmare.
Is this tutorial only on certain planets? And even with show hints on I'm not getting any of these notifs and I'm brand new to the game thanks to Invictus week
I noticed you got the bug I've been getting today, only you didn't show and skipped it, lol. But whenever I try to spawn the tutorial ship it never shows me the hangar location. Also, my waypoint for where the ship is doesn't show what hangar either, yet I noticed yours does. I'd had the tutorial fail on me every time I've tried it. First two times there was no food or water. I notice you wake up in armor. I never do, I always wake up in bed naked. Not even a hospital gown. Last time I tried it I couldn't get ship to spawn in hangar even if it did tell me which hangar, nothing there, then game crashes to desktop. CGI has a long ways to go to get this tutorial up to scratch. Pretty unnerving having a pre-alpha tutorial in an alpha status game. You'd think the tutorial would at least be up to alpha standards too. DO THE EVOCATI AND WAVE TESTERS EVEN PLAY THE GAME? Because it seems not.
That’s good of you to redo it and owning up to your mistake. ❤
Proves he is such a genuine sincere guy and a great streamer. More power to Ollie
I wouldn't call that his mistake tho. The lack of indication that would be a problem, is more a mistake on the dev side. Like, when you start the tutorial, it should indicate on the "Play the tutorial" box, that you should turn hints on for best experience or something like that.
Those hints took a lot of work! Glad you’re finally seeing them 😉 thanks for taking the time to remake a video. I know that’s a pain.
Lots of people put a lot of work into getting this tutorial playable. Glad you feel it’s a good start!
love the work you guys have done! props to you and others working on the game
Hey, just wanted to point out a little inconsistency with the drinking/eating part. The hint, interaction and mission step validation all center around just picking the item up, with no direction about how to actually use them. Olli is doing it out of habit and maybe hasn't noticed, but I imagine a new player would be happy with just seeing the next step of the mission unlock and thus wouldn't actually be taught how to use those item once out in the world.
Would be a good place to mention the mechanics of sipping/chugging by either clicking or holding the mouse button, I've often seen people go through hours of gameplay without knowing about that. Could be even better to make the player have a helmet to remove so he gets acquainted to that part of the mechanic, although that might be more work than it's worth.
Anyway, good job getting that thing going!
Hi, just one small issue :) after landing in Baijini, there was nothing about shutting off engines/power, that can easily strand a player :D
a suggestion, if someone enables the tutorial, it should force hints on until they finish it
Hello, I think a good addition to the first tutorial would be to set a respawn point in another station/planet
Much better with the "Hints" turned on. Still missing some things though.
1). Press "I" for inventory to equip the helmet. (Olli may have short circuited this by doing it before it was prompted.)
2). Tell players about the mouse wheel BEFORE prompted to take off. This will prevent crashing into the top of the hanger on first take off.
3). Ship MFDs are a thing and have a lot of functionality. How about mentioning that?
4). No prompt to shut ship down after landing. You know, so when it is retrieved next time it isn't floating in the air in the hanger and unable to be entered.
5). No prompt to close ship up to prevent mischief of other players.
6). No prompt for using the inner thought wheel (Hold F + Right click)
Otherwise it is good. It does mention the mouse wheel after take off. The mouse wheel functions is a thrust limiter, which has the side effect of limiting speed. I do hate the change they made to it for 3.18. I used to be able to scale the thrust down for nice gentle landings using the mouse wheel. Now it goes from too much thrust to no thrust and with coupled mode on that means you just hover there instead of descending for a landing. Scroll the mouse wheel up one click and strafe down and you land like you are angry at the landing gear.
On 4 and 5 one would hope players would think to shut the ship down and close the door, but it doesn't even remind one what the key is.
3 is unnecessary, but the MFDs can help a lot when one forgets what some of the keybinds are. When I learned you could use the MFDs to request landing in 3.16 I stopped using F11. Reason being I could keep flying the ship towards the landing location. Pressing F11 means the mobiglas comes up and blocks the whole screen so you can't see if you are about to fly into something. Using the MFDs relegates the ATC call to one of the cockpit displays so you can see where you are flying while the call goes through and ATC assigns a landing pad or hanger.
The Inner thought wheel comes in handy when forgetting key binds as well or when getting around bugs. For the 3.18 patch cycle requesting takeoff/landing did not work for me when pressing F11, using the MFDs, or the assigned keybind. The only way I've been able to request takeoff/landing was to use the "Request Landing" option of the inner thought menu. I didn't even know it was an option until someone in global chat told me during the 3.18 patch cycle.
You may be confused. The mouse wheel controls the **speed** limiter and there is another control, something like Alt-mousewheel? (I mapped it to a joystick wheel), to set the thrust level. Also, if you are using a throttle then 50% throttle gives you half the speed set by your speed limiter.
@@RobinHartJones I am not confused. The "speed limiter" has been mislabeled ever since its implementation. It operates as a thrust limiter, i.e. the lower it is set the less thrust is provided by the thrusters. If it was simply a speed limiter it would still result in very rapid acceleration, but to a lower maximum speed. Instead at low settings the acceleration is greatly attenuated, or at least it was prior to 3.18.
Excellent and relevant feedback to CIG would be that these settings should be defaulted to ON when the tutorial mode is active.
0:18 they are, he just had them off already.
@@BootlessFawn he means that the tutorial should have them on regardless of settings.
@@BizzMRK new players already have them on, but Olli isn't actually a new player and he already manually turned them off.
@@BizzMRK but now that I read your comment again I think I get what you mean.
I just played for the first time last night and I've never been more confused in my life this game doesn't explain anything, couldn't get out the hanger without a freaking tutorial
With the hints on it's an entirely different experience. Outstanding work on their part. (and good on you for admitting your error) The only thing I'd like to add is them prompting you to go change your imprint in the hospital to the tutorial. It's really something everyone ought to do, to the point where I'd say it's the first thing to do on arriving in a new station unless you know why you don't want to.
It's possible the way regeneration works isn't how they want it to work in the grand scheme of things, so higher ups would fight against putting it in the tutorial and making it 'official' so to speak.
@@mattmcginn8096 they dont want people to think of regeneration as an easy out, but that isnt the same thing as being in the habit of making frequent imprints just in case.
It would be good just so the new player is aware of the mechanic, if nothing else.
Generally agree with your point … just keep in mind that the tutorial is supposed to cover „the first 30 minutes“.
And I think this tutorial will help new players (if they decide to actually do it) and reduce the number of redundant questions in chat like „how do I turn on my ship“ (especially during the free flight events).
I tries the tutorial the second it came out. Looking at the next update of the tutorial (the one you played) it seems that they have already done some updates to the tutorial already to make it even better! This is a great thing for new players to have.
I think you are right i tested this yesterday and this morning they have tweaked the ATC landing take off part of it I like the way they get 15k as well thats a good chunk of money for a new starter.
Even a simple bit of text that says "Please ensure Hints/Ship Entry Labels, etc are enabled in the options Menu." I can totally see that someone might play the game for a bit they might disable some of the options, then they don't play the game again for months or even years, it should still prompt the player to ensure everything is going to show up and make sense.
Not to mention that in a few months or years or whatever, there will be new things in the tutorial, including other tutorials for mining and such. Things that even veteran players might want to brush up on, or learn about new features.
Can always count on Olli to own up to mistakes, great video.
I think your right with the tutorial automatically changing that setting. Would have to be only that setting though. They have obviously thought about key binds when building this as the hints show your current key binds, not the generic one. So maybe a script to toggle that setting on while in the tutorial only would be a great addition
Just a couple nitpicks about the tutorial, but I think it's definitely a much better experience for new players. They really need to go into equipping your helmet so you don't just purchase one at Area18 and reach Bajini Point without it (also would introduce inventory management). Once you get to Bajini Point, they also should have you set your respawn location at the clinic, so you know how to do that.
When I and a couple org mates went through the tutorial a few of us had checkpoints that seemed to not activate. Mine occurred when reaching the lobby so I had to go back to a hangar and then it registered but another person had missed the tram and couldn't seem to activate the checkpoint beyond that point. I'm sure they'll get the issues figured out and it puts new players in a far better place once completed.
Kudos at owning to the…eh… oversight and redoing the video. Great video as always. Perhaps you’ll be able to use the prior one as example of how settings matter a bunch in SC.
Couple of things that are really missing, and could have been integrated into the tutorial rather easily
- Opening inventory and equipping helmet
- Using MobiGlass to access missions (would have fit nicely after storing the tutorial ship)
- Using the chat to ask for help, tips and tricks (tutorial could have ended with this)
Also, I don't know if this is in, as I haven't actually played the tutorial, but it would be nice if all the tips were stored in the journal afterwards as they are only shown for a few seconds each.
It's roughly five months later. The CitizenCon just finished a few hours ago. I bought some stuff (digital CitizenCon goodies and a ship) and am getting into the game right now. I played SC a few years ago for a very short time and decided I would revisit it later. This time, I had some challenges and decided to watch a tutorial video. I found this video and decided to watch it because I just watched a video you made a few days ago about the new (I forget what they're called, but quantum destinations should be "good enough").
I'm halfway through this video and have decided to move along to another video because this has turned into a tutorial on how to be tilted about the video you made yesterday with default settings turned off. There was very little extra help or advice given that a truly new player would find useful. There was a lot of grumbling about the wasted effort from making the previous video.
I'm sure I'll be back later to watch more of your SC content.
As a brand spanking new player, I found the tutorial to be very helpful indeed. Having said that, I have learned most of the little bit that I know from channels like this. Thank you.
4:16 in all fairness, he doesn't actually needs an helmet for where he's going
I sometimes use auto-land because I think it gives an advantage to whether you can refuel or not (and sometimes I am just lazy). I think the game auto-detects whether or not you have joysticks attached. If you do, you get which joystick buttons to use. If you don't and are just using a mouse, it only gives what mouse buttons to press. You must have had your sticks plugged in (also, I bet that if you had a controller plugged in it would give you which controller buttons to press).
Actually your tutorial yesterday shows a gap in the developers logic they should automatically set those settings for you that way if you choose the tutorial that those settings will be set for you even if you had them turned off to begin with
total respect Olli, it takes a decent person to admit a mistake, but to also go 1 step further showing how and why, and correcting it then apologising... i commend you cos i can say not a lot of streamers would do what you have :) and thanks for the re-corrected video :)
The Fact that you came back and made this video, got you a new sub. good job
The tutorial was good enough for a new player. Gets them to their ship and shows how to buy stuff and eat etc. I'm very happy they didn't add mining, salvage, combat to the tutorial as it could make it hours long. Have these as separate optional tutorials you can try as a player gets used to the game. They wouldn't let you access your ships if you didn't do it which if your an experienced player was irritating.
The fact that you did the first one without the settings, made you realize how good it actually is. :)
Wow Ollie you're just outstanding for redoing this!... but don't feel like you need to make up for strangers on the internet, absolute pro.
I got in the habit of always using auto-land when 3.17 had refuel/repair issues at hangars and mining outposts. It seemed to help. But NEVER use auto-land on ships like the Carrack. Straight-up had auto land continuously ram my Carrack into the walls over and over in the hangar. The only way to stop it is to turn the ship completely off and pray you survive the landing, lol.
When I watched your yesterdays vid I eyerolled thinking typical SC halfass. I’m genuinely impressed. Thanks for the redo.
ONE THING: The tutorial didnt tell to shut off engines or power after landing in Baijini. Means, ship will either fly away in seconds, or levitate after spawn :D
in theory, those things are bugs that will be fixed, so the tuturial doesnt need to cover them. It's not an issue for the tuturial ship specifically, because you'll never see that ship again.
lol I watched your version 1.0 last night and watching through this it looks like just having the hints turned on have more or less directly addressed every single issue you raised :P
Olli, was introduced to your channel by your Starfield content. Really enjoyed it. Seeing more Star Citizen now I really want to play it as well. It looks absolutely gorgeous. As someone that doesn’t own a PC or have much knowledge about them, I have 2 questions? How much would a PC cost that could run the game now as well as through completion of the game without upgrading components? And, would I also need to be pretty smart with all aspects of computers to be able to adjust or fine tune a lot of different things? I’ve avoided PC gaming since the crazy early 2000s when every laptop I bought was outdated before I got it home. Any info would be appreciated. Catch a smile out there. o7
I just got locked out of the tutorial as a new player due to an infinite load screen bug and the inability to start the tutorial again after the character reset.
Thank you so much for this! At least I'm not totally blind now
To be fair, they should probably make the tutorial hints show up regardless of the "Show Hints" or note whether it's turned off in the settings in the future, but I can see how that could have slipped through the cracks. It'd be rare for a user to have the default settings not set on a first play through, but if they played arena commander or something where the hints are less useful, they may had turned off the hints in the overall game settings before entering PU for the first time.
@Olli43:
In your defence, CIG should turn on these settings while the tutotial is active if they aren't for whatever reason. Maybe someone tinkert with the settings beforehand and accidentally turned one off.
I bought the game in 2015 or 16 and got the Aurora ship. I havent even taken off in my ship even once. Lol
I felt intimidated to start the game by the time that some content was actually added:)
Elite Damgerous was really tough for me to learn.
I never autolanded. If you can’t get your ship off the ground and back your a not a pilot haha. But it’s good to have it if you initially have difficulties with setting the camera to the right angles when things are tight.
Maybe they should have added a prompt whether you wanted the hints on or not? Otherwise it would've been good for the devs to just leave those on by default. The fact that you had to dig into the menus to find that says something about what may potentially need improving too
love the videos olli! your videos have made me want to play star citizen so badly but i only have a xbox. one day i will get the PC and play!
Got the game, booted up, joined tutorial - and i didn't have those tips... hence why I'm here :D
Got to the shop and nothing in the Journal said what to buy
Great vid! You should do a recap on all the missions now available in 3.18 and how to access/unlock them. I honestly lost track of what has been added and find myself defaulting to just doing bounties and bunkers, which is getting very stale.
From someone who hasn't played for a few years, looking to check out 3.19, this tutorial will be perfect!
I still remember the first time I played star citizen back in patch 3.12. I spent over an hour in area18 looking for a way to spawn my ship. Then another few hours trying to fly/ manually going to moons because I didn’t know how to spoil. Good times.
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Late to the party, but your positivity is why I follow you. Thank you for your content. There is so much salt and negativity abound that it is just soul sucking.
Ps. You shouldn't hammer yourself to much. Think they fixed it in the patch because it was not all in there and the game settings were all on default (all hints on). Also noticed things were very delayed on the server i was playing on and messages in the tutorial was extremely delayed.
while ur at bp anyway, they might as well tell u to set regen point too
Sweet glad to see a tutorial finally. But now the question is how long will it work before an new patch breaks it.
Mad respect for you for doing the redo bro!
They used to have a full on tutorial years ago, but since the project keeps getting updated many times a year, it would go out of date quickly.
To be fair... if you turn the tutorial on those hints should enable automatically. Or it should be untied from the hints.
Bit of an oversight because ppl turn hints off generally because they suck in a lot of games and clutter the HUD.
Sometimes autoland will mitigate some bugs, like the missing reload/repair/refuel option.
In your defense, it wasn't enabled for me either. I only knew where to go because I've played before. I was consulting the journal without the context clues. CIG should enable those hints by default on the tutorial.
I still believe that the Turtorial should be more diegetic and should involve taking a turtorial mission from the contract manager, as well as providing the players with the same gear you normally get when first getting into the verse in a new patch and the turtorial should involve buying a tractor beam rather than a helmet.
Well done on the second run through, there are a few things still missing but I think it is a very solid start.
I used autoland back when using it brought your ship to a dead stop almost instantly so you could go zipping at a landing pad and use it to brake safely.
Holy crap - 'current location' market in SC? I thought it was impossible to develop! xD
Frankly, I think turning on hints and labels should be automatic when you start the tutorial. Seems like nobody thought about this scenario within the QA team in CIG...
I still say they need to tell you to get a mission once you get to Bajing Point, then do that mission to teach you how to do missions.
That is not your mistake, Olli. The game really needs to check whether you have hints turned on before the tutorial. They cannot rely on default settings for something like this.
Yeah exactly. If anyhting Olli found a kink that needs to be ironed out before the tutorial goes to the live servers. Nothing to apologize to the devs for, they should be thanking him for finding their error!
its nice they do have a tutorial but honestly the game doesn't need hand holding its not for everyone and its meant to play around with and understand and designed for more hardcore players similar to eve online. Eve gives a simple tutorial and then the rest is honestly up to you to figure out
Good on you to own up to it and correct things
Seems much better with those setting on
Thanks for covering the tutorial
Haven’t tried it yet
Still wish it was voiced tbh
I personally don't think that one needs to be told when going into space wear a helmet, but a beginners tutorial to understand the helmet and HUD would be useful IMO.
I don't think it was a mistake. A new player might accidently disable those features, the tutorial should highlight, or re-enable them when activated.
You're not the only content creator or vocal noisemaker who didn't know to toggle those options to get ALL the parts of the tutorial working, so that's on CIG to force-toggle (even if temporarily) the hints while the tutorial is running.
I really hope CIG patches the game for use with controllers. I know there are too many mechanics for them all to fit on a controller, but let us map the interact button on a controller so I can play hooked up to my tv like i want to without needing a keyboard and mouse nearby.
I'm facepalming so much. I had both those off too and they're SO USEFUL for this tutorial. They would be on by default for new players, but I'm guessing not so for seasoned players testing in the PTU. Maybe when you click "play tutorial" those should be automatically turned on so no information is lost?
They’d only be off if you either copied the LIVE and renamed it PTU, or disabled it. Otherwise they’d be default on as well.
@@Mgl1206 A lot of people are going to be like that, though. Especially PTU testers in wave 1, the seasoned players.
I went on a mission after bumbling through the "tutorial" and promptly died on the surface of what I presume was a freezing planet with no helmet. Walked into the shop and bought nothing because I didn't know I needed anything there.
I've had so many disputes with ATC that I let them land my ship for me whenever I can so as to minimize their chances to complain.
TBF the last time I played the hints were like always spamming it felt like, so I turned it off. Im glad I saw this for when it goes live, because mine are 100% turned off.
This is my first video i see from your channel, but regardless, good on you for taking responsibility for a video i never saw O.O
At 9:50; did you hit something or did the Pieces come damaged? ;-)
It works so much better with the proper settings on.
When I started (v2.5), Autoland didn't work very well, but I could take off and land "any" ship (when available), first try like a BOSS... until the flight engine was updated. ;-)
Yes, this would have been so helpful when I started, I didn't even know what "WSAD" was. ;-D
I believe theres still the bug ingame, that you spawn completely new ship and it looks like it flew through warzone :D
there should still be some indication that you need hints on, or that you turned them off. Maybe there is now. But I wouldn't call that your mistake. I would call it an oversight of the devs.
Who's playing Zelda: TOTK atm?. Can't believe it got a leak, real stable and performance with the 60fps on a 3090 is pretty excellent imo. Also, Yuzu seems to be pretty solid on the latest build . Enjoy the leak
I got very frustrated my first time doing the tutorial. I did not have hints or ship entry on by default let alone know they exist. This was a couple months back and I ended up have to search for everything on TH-cam. Had I also not have a friend help guide me I would probably just uninstall the game.
I'd say one step after storing the ship it should tell you to set your spawn to the space station
honestly, I don't think Olli mage they mistake. seems more like a bug to me. enabling the tutorial should have turned the required options on.
While the tutorial does help all of the things it teaches you I found out with about 3 minutes of googling before I want to know where I should actually go out into the world to find missions and start actually doing something.
They need to turn those messages on regardless of settings if you are going through the tutorial mission. That setting can be a simple mistake when you don't understand
Being wrong is the first step towards learning something new. 😀 Your are really fun to watch anyway.
Used to use auto-land all the time but stopped after one too many dramatic ship rotations with a connie that blew it up at Lorville
im convinced the fact they dont tell you to put on a helmet, and the fact they dont make you set a respawn in bajini, is because they expect you to go take some box delivery mission like every new player will, get out of their ship, and die. then the tutorial continued in the medbay
I also tried the tutorial today and made the same mistake as you. Thought the whole time what this for a pointless and unhelpful tutorial should be. Okay, now I know better. Thank you very much.
So, I did the tutorial and now I'm in that station.
Now what?
I literally have no idea wtf to do or where to go, I tried to call my ship and leave but there was so much debris outside the hanger door I exploded just trying to squeeze out past all the blown up ships....
I use autoland a lot actually. When I get to the refinery with a full load of raw quantanium, I'm always worried I'll land too hard and go boom lol. So I use the auto land lol.
Lol - funniest video I’ve seen in awhile! Appreciate you redoing it!
Thanks for telling me how to drink eat and jump great video....
can't believe they used the same hints variable for the tutorial context messages, classic CIG
I did the tutorial, and it was messed up, it didn't register me going down the elevator. After that point it was all down hill. Had to go back to the placed I spawned and go down every floor until until it allowed me. to skip that darn thing.
Would be awesome if Gilli, the tutor from 2015 would guide you through again...
It's all good, thank you for updating.
Where do you start the tutorial? In the main menu? Sorry, I am new. 😁
Thank you for the video. I was trying to do the tutorial and I messed up. The controls feel so atrocious to me and I accidentally went too far while trying to learn the control. Whatever it is for warp drive. Well there’s a timer and I couldn’t get back in time. So I ended up failing the tutorial. Which I l couldn’t find an option to restart or anything. So I was left confused on what I missed or what I was supposed to to do now
If I did what u did and accidentally skipped the tutorial, is there a way I can restart to start with the tutorial?
Where can I find this tutorial?
I started the game up for the first time an hour ago but I can't find a mention of a tutorial anywere..
Nice re-do of the tutorial with useful feedback. I use autoland sometimes. Would like to see it improved though in the future.
Olli43 … this cracks me up … EVERYONE has had situations, where we are complete idiots (anyone remember Gilda Radner as the church lady in SNL „Endanged Feces“?) … good that you can laugh about it and own it. Chapeau!
I attempted the tutorial. I died because I spawned standing on the bed, clipped into the wall. My journal now says I failed because I "Failed to get out of Bed"
I have severe ADHD and dyslexia and the text frequently disappears before I read half if it. On my screen the text is small, blurry and too compact. Also there is nothing in my journal about the tutorial. I have no way to know what I need to do in order to finish the tutorial. I only did the tutorial because it said, I couldn't get a ship until it was completed and if i skipped the tutorial i wouldn't be able to start the tutorial. At this point, I would literally pay someone to login with my character and finish the tutorial for me. This is a nightmare.
too be fair, tutorial should auto turn hint back on though.. right?
for bigger and bulkier ships I use auto-land, for small ships its not -really- needed but its nice
Nice tutorial. Even nicer is the easy 15k you get paid for doing it. Really helps new players that have limited money at start.
Is this tutorial only on certain planets? And even with show hints on I'm not getting any of these notifs and I'm brand new to the game thanks to Invictus week
Oh yeah, this is WWAAAYYY better than the other video. Hahah! Welp, we've all learned something from this!
why is that info option turned off? isn't that on them?
You were WRONG! WRONG WRONG WRONG yeah it's fine it happens man :D
I noticed you got the bug I've been getting today, only you didn't show and skipped it, lol. But whenever I try to spawn the tutorial ship it never shows me the hangar location. Also, my waypoint for where the ship is doesn't show what hangar either, yet I noticed yours does. I'd had the tutorial fail on me every time I've tried it. First two times there was no food or water. I notice you wake up in armor. I never do, I always wake up in bed naked. Not even a hospital gown. Last time I tried it I couldn't get ship to spawn in hangar even if it did tell me which hangar, nothing there, then game crashes to desktop. CGI has a long ways to go to get this tutorial up to scratch. Pretty unnerving having a pre-alpha tutorial in an alpha status game. You'd think the tutorial would at least be up to alpha standards too. DO THE EVOCATI AND WAVE TESTERS EVEN PLAY THE GAME? Because it seems not.
I'm glad they added this though learning the hard way was a experience.