Catching up on some of your content … yes blow by is dumped back in for EPA standards I did a video about the RPM act last year and recently did a video on why I had the carbon build up on my heads and piston Mad monkey sent me out a kit for the blow by issue I know Blockhead did a hack kit not very impressed with him venting to the top of the trans cover without a check valve The M8 comes “richer” than the TC Good upload and thanks for your service
Yeah I have several updated videos after this including one titled blow by vs sumping. I have a couple changes to my setup since this video and I'll check out your channel for sure man!
Thanks! But you have to watch my more recent videos about this too. Doing JUST this won't really externally vent that much. I have a video that talks about what Trask is doing for us & how to fix the problem 100%
I went with a D K Customs catch can held by a Kuryakyn P clamp , 1 3/8 to 1 1/2 , mounted to a bolt at my rear V&H exhaust bracket with a rubber 90 elbow and bent up and form fitted a stainless steel 5 /16 tube that runs to the same place as your T fitting , i also used two rubber insulated brake line p clamps on the rear tappet cover bolts , realy solid ,
Awesome. Sounds very well done. I have switched to a simple breather filter at the bottom right at the t filter just to try it out. There’s so many possibilities!
Looking forward to seeing your dyno numbers for the stage one. Also I gotta tell you, your intro is great it gets stuck in my head when I watch your videos and I sing it around the house hahaha.
Lol every time someone tells me that it makes me happy. Mission accomplished!!!! I feel good about them. Video is all uploaded and ready to go live next weekend!!
Curious to see if this actually cuts down on your blow by.... Ive been reading a lot about internal vs external and it seems the carbon build up, all things being equal, is about the same. I was shocked.
Got a 750 ml bullet aluminum catchcan from Mitsubishi racing has a filter also.made a bracket and hung it off my engine guard bolt plate right next to my oil cooler. 50 bucks for all
Great video man. I just got the fueling vented dipstick yesterday. It keeps crankcase pressure in check. I took my bike on a ride right after i installed it, and i just couldnt believe it. It really feels like another bike. Just the dipstick alone made it feel like i installed exhaust, and air cleaner AGAIN. LOL. They say the vented dipstick prevents pressure spit back into the throttle body. I believe it.
If feel that way then something like the checkm8 from Trask would be way better. If you watch my “do you need an external breather” video I talk all about that and the whole vacuum/pressure debate
My 2000 Sportster is vented straight out into the atmosphere from the head bolts , it does not produce any mist whatsoever, the performance is so much better since I changed it , there are so many configurations out there , vent it straight out , it’s easy
Only some people can vent it straight out. I’ve seen maybe guys vent it straight out with breather bolts like you have that have to clean mist off their bike every ride. My bike produces a lot of mist so I know this method would never work for me
Another great vid. Any plans on also possibly installing a vented oil dipstick? Any opinions of the efficacy of it? Seen of few vids of guys doing both the external breather and vented dipstick.
Yes!!!!!! Possibly one of my next de ent purchases besides new tires and powder coating the wheels 😎. I’ve heard that the vented dipstick pretty much kills the need to an external air filter vent. I think the dipstick will definitely help a lot if not completely fix the problem. Thanks man! 👊🏻
@@RidinDad I have the feuling vented dipstick on my 19 roadglide and I'm still getting mist in my intake even after putting the external beather.. I have a stage 2 on my bike with a zippers 468 cam and fuelmoto jackpot 2 into 1 exhaust...
Say man the one thing I foresee is that there are no vent holes in the catch can, now I don’t necessarily think you need them, but if air is coming out then it needs a place for it to go or it becomes pressurized right? 🤔 maybe a few small holes on the lid of the “fuel filter catch can”? Just my two pesos
I don’t know if you just didn’t hear it for some reason or watt. But in the beginning I said if I used that fuel filter alone I would drill holes and then at the end of it when I wound up only using it I showed and explained where I drilled holes in the top to vent. You are absolutely right, there is air coming in so there needs to be some sort of vent for the current to continue. And there are holes there
I just built my own EBS on my stock 114 breather and used 1/4” fuel line from Lowe’s and I recommend using something more pliable if possible. The fuel line is pretty thick and a little difficult to maneuver. I was thinking I needed something thick because of heat but that’s easily avoidable if you route it the way you did. Also when you use the stock breather you have to drill holes in the backplate, so be prepared. I’m kinda just throwing it together right now and see what I like and don’t like about it? Spent less than $20 on it so far. I’ll eventually put the 636 from DK on the bike with a legitimate EBS and catch can from them as well. This is just a temporary fix.
I used the same fuel filter as a catch can. I put a rubber nipple on the bottom and drilled small holes in the top. I did this a couple months ago. Works great. After every ride, a decent amount of water comes out when I take the nilple off
No way that I know of on TH-cam but if you have an Instagram I’m there! Sounds like we have pretty much the same setup. I’m very curious to see where and how yours is mounted
@@RidinDad I do not have any social media. I put a T in behind the filter housing like you did but I ran my single hose towards the front in between the cylinder and pushrods then down in between the frame and motor. Its pretty hidden but easy to get to the nipple to drain it
Spoke with a few HD shops and for the M8 they said most of the "mist" is burned off long as you're not making too many short trips. I just hit 10k and put a scope down mine and the heads and pistons are very clean. SYN3 oil every 4k miles as well all the way around.
I’ve heard from a few H-D techs online with m8’s who say the opposite as well as people showing the inside of their pistons. It might be burned off but what’s getting left behind in the install and engine after it’s burned? I’d rather vent externally and keep that gunk out of there
Thanks for the information, I have HD FAT BOY 2005 and I look spacer breaters and I can't find the reason is because some times smell fuel and can't find leak.
Are you talking about the spacers for the external breather kit? Or just the regular spacers that come in the kit? If something happened to your original spacers that came with the air cleaner I’m sure if you contact the company they can tell you how to get a hold of a new set. If you were talking about the external kit, it is offered on their website for various applications
Horsepower Inc has similar design and black anodized to match scheme. Also check out video of install where hoses where directed upward for a more concealed look.
Yeah I’ve seen a video with theirs and several with it touted up between cylinders. I have a lot going on on that side of the bike & im not keen on having them go against gravity either :/. It’s been doing good so far!
That’s exactly what my thoughts were. I called trask about it since the kit had nothing for them. Trask said the oil will follow path of least resistance & go out the external holes. They even said plugging the small holes would be unnecessary. Time will tell!
Yeah that’s my worry for me too!! I know Trask knows what they are doing but to me, common sense would say if air is being rushed in to the intake how could it not Paul oil and missed from those holes if you’re pulling Aaron. So I think I’m gonna wind up having to seal up my holes with some RTV as well
I just ordered the trans case cover from trask had no issues before but doing a 128 zippers kit so with the extra hp and tq thoughts were maybe I should but thinking maybe don't need to do what you're doing because want to keep some vacuum
Yeah that’s a personal choice for sure. And it’s always a good idea to have the checkm8 but with new pistons, cylinders walls and rings, your blow by should be less since you got rid of crappy Harley tolerances.
Cars have a PCV valve that works in the same manner as the Trask tranny cover with that reed valve. The PCV valve allows gasses that escape the combustion chamber past the piston rings to vent from the crankcase then into the intake so it's environmental friendly. MoCo is doing the same by routing the blow-by gasses back into air cleaner/throttle body. The engine needs to breath, so routing the blow-by back into the crankcase is not good idea. Routing to a vented catch can is a better solution in my opinion.
Yupp if you watch any of my more recent stuff I talk about my current setup. Fun I g checkm8 with a catch can abs venting external breather to atmosphere
I know this is an old post but I have the Fueling vented dipstick and when I installed the Assault air cleaner from Trask I found I still have some mist on the clear Trask cover after only about 10 miles.
Absolutely I have. It’s on my list of “needs”. I have heard that a vented dipstick almost completely negates the need for external breathing at the filter. They’re just sorta pricey so I’m doing some other stuff first
That’s awesome man!!! Have fun with it!! Did you watch my video about external breathers and Trask and stuff. More recent than this one and it goes more in depth about why and what it all does too
Good to know! I wound up switching to a breather filter but I actually just broke down and bought the DK customs 4 stage catch can so I'll have a video on that sucker in a few weeks!
I am interested in that kit and you have a link to where you can find it and purchase it I have a 2010 ultra limited thank you I love the video good information
The link is in the description for all product installs I do. But this specific product is for my m8 bike. If you go to www.Traskperformance.com you can see what’s available for your specific bike
i know its already 3 years but i think that you should also block the ports in the air cleaner body.. this way you have did, it potentialy some of the residue still can go to intake..
Yeah but most air cleaners require a separate kit to make it externally vent. A lot of people don’t care about it and don’t want the extra work of externally venting so as a company they have to cater to the market
Yeah, I know what you mean. That would be nice to have. I know some companies are dictated by what they are allowed to sell based on where they are manufactured out of, so maybe that is something they are restricted by, or it could just be an ease of assembly sort of thing or just a money, grabbing technique, honestly, I don’t know, but I do agree it would be nice to just have the option
New subscriber.... ive hearing alot on the oil mist. I ride street 750 revolution x and have seen oil on the filter since new in 2015. I asked Harley got no answer until this year. Thought I'd ask you if you would put breather on it. I like this bike. Need a drip can ? Im retired and its light weight speedy and water cooled. What I have done is change the oil and filter alot. Im seeing gray wear in the oil but not chunks or slivers. I did have the starter assembly 1 way bearing go out. Harley had no answered to my questions or part numbers. Loud bell ringing noise. I got it fixed $20 ebay 1way bearing. Case gasket. Dealer I bought bike from here in Canton Ohio went bully up. Freedom Harley. I did get help from Dovers Adventure Harley. At least I was able to come in and both go thru there parts listing. Order a parts list book and pdf file on break down.
So I’m not too familiar with the street 750’s. I know blow by is a big issue with the m8 motors more than any others. If you are having excessive mist come from your breather bolts it couldn’t hurt to do an external breather. And if something more serious is going on like an oil pump or ring seating issue you’ll be able to see just how much mist is coming out when you isolate the issue
so I got the air cleaner from trask and I'm debating on the external..... what's the consensus just use the lines or use a filter or a catch can? it's been over a year now I'm sure you found what's best by now 😉 anything helps just looking for direction for what to do. thanks in advance
Personal preference man. I’ve used all 3 options. I don’t like the filter at all. I ran just hoses for a yearish and now I have a catch can I’ve been using
Yeah these M8's have a known issue with excessive blow by for sure. I have a more recent video talkin g about the issues/solutions from Trask and their checkm8 cover which has helped blow by a ton!!
@@RidinDad Just threw one on a couple days ago! Problem still happens. Not sure what to do now. Probably pull it off and go to the dealer to make them do something about it?
They probably won’t do anything as blow by is a regular issue. It’s a possibility you have some issue with ring seating. What year and which oil pump you have?
I put my spacers behind the breather bolts with the outlets pointed up on my sporty and ran from the front cylinder to T on the rest cylinder and out and down to the belt guard. No oil comes out of it at all, as gravity holds it in the engine. It's been on there for about 3 years now.
That’s not how that works at all. Gravity cannot keep it in the engine because those are butterfly valves. They do not allow anything into the engine but they’ll oil out when there is excessive pressure. You more than likely just have a good set up and a bike with a good ring seat meant and no issue with blow by.
I can’t remember the name right now but another one of my subscribers commented a little bit ago saying that the pod filter will leave drips. But according to DK customs who obviously sells both, they claim that unless the engine is incredibly old and spits oil really really bad, that the filter or the can do pretty much the exact same thing.
@@RidinDad good to know, that catchcan is 100$ by the time it’s gets to Canada with shipping, 10 bucks for the pod filter on Amazon. I’m willing to wait and see!
Should have picked up the front breather line on the branch of the “T” , this prevents the vapors from fighting each other, I’m a plumber/fitter , we always avoid product from bumping into each other. MLNR JIMMY53
Not other than that check M eat from them. The only difference is I’m venting the external breather hose straight to the atmosphere with no filter or anything because barely anything is getting out and I’m using a catch tan for the transmission top cover vent because it fits better in my spot
Nope. Is kid you’re legitimately curious or you’re just trying super hard to be right about this. But there’s tons of guys running similar setups. There’s some people running hollow hoses to the bottom of the bike with no catch can or filter at all and they have no issues. Even if my setup were to leak oil, which is does not, it wouldn’t get on my rear caliper or tire due to where the filter is.
Didn't mean to come across like a smart-ass...but since your not sucking your oil fumes back into your engine ...the oily vapors are still going to collect ..on mine the two rocker cover vents are tee'd together like you but mine runs all the way to the rear wheel thats where the filter/catch can is ...yes ..oily vapor condenses back there and it does drip ...but the way mines plumbed it drips out not on the bike... Old truckers used to call this system a road draft tube .. Wherever your end of that line winds up ..its going to drip oil ..just like it collected in your air filter .. Good luck..👍👍👍
Where my breather filter is placed when it gets decently full of oil it burns off. It’s incredibly hot right where it’s at and when you’re not moving you can see the oil smoke off of the filter. Plus the filter is not meant to be a set and forget deal. It’s made to be something that semi regularly you remove and wash out/clean
Dude, you're over thinking it. Just vent each head separately (without T) to atmosphere, no can, the mist is so minimal it's a non-issue. If you want to get fancy add a check valve to each line to maintain any vacuum in the heads. By bonding the to together they can work against each other.
Amazon have little breathable catch cans called Vented Breather Canister Chrome. There roughly two inches by 1.5 inches I have one on my low rider s with forward facing filter that comes on the 22 model . Wish I could post pictures on here.
No I don’t think so. It’s such a minimal difference for the duration of the tuning. The biggest issue with tunes and performance as far as external breather systems go is if you do not have one overtime that build up from the breather Bolt starts to accumulate on the top of your pistons and changes your displacement in compression, obviously by a super small amount but still enough to change your tune and diminish your bikes performance
Modern bikes can adjust for small differences by themselves. You don’t need target tune for something like this. And target tune in general is a waste od money in my opinion. Only good option is a professional dyno tune. Beyond that anything else is useless
Sort of. The checkm8 will cut down on blow by a lot so not much will be coming out your breather bolts. BUT some stuff will be coming out and the only way to make sure NoNE of it gets in the engine is to externally vent it. Hope this helps man!
The crankcase needs to be vented to allow pressure/blow-by to escape. Routing blow-by gasses back to the tranny cover doesn't allow the positive crankcase pressure to escape the system. A vented catch can is needed.
I have a 2020 RoadGlide S. My wife has a 2017 RoadGlide s no sumping her bike has 16 k on the OD Mine is a stage 2 nothing crazy. Do the big inch builds with riders doing 3rd gear rolling burnouts have more issues.Just asking
I can’t speak from experience because I don’t do that. But I can say from mine and others stories that the more aggressive of a rider you are the more crankcase venting happens. And whether or not you see it. Yours are doing it too. Every Harley does it. Some worse than others. It’s just how they’re designed
Did you have a problem with there being a gap between the breather bolts and the bracket support for the air cleaner? Just installed mine and theres a gap, after torquing.
No, there should not be any kind of gap at all. Sounds like something is not lining up correctly somewhere. But they should fit completely flush especially with the O rings installed
Yeah that’s very weird. I have never heard of anybody having that issue. If you run it like that you definitely will be getting the oil spewing out since that’s the seal that keeps all of the excessive crank case pressure within the unit and I just tweaking out all over your head breeders. I would give Trask a call and see what they say. Maybe you just got a super weird batch of bolts or a weird batch of spacers that is out of spec for some reason
I installed a trask checkm8 and Hpi breather and eternal breath kit, no catch just dripping to the road. After riding at 1300 miles I was about a qt low (bottom of the dip stick ) and had to ad some on the way back. Is this the usual amount or ?
It depends. It could be normal for your bike. The nice thing about a catch can is you can see how much is coming out and monitor it. It’s way too much though to burn an entire quart in 1300 miles
just here wondering if theres a way to get those external breather spacers with the nipples and the hoses without spending $150 theres no way theyre worth that much. love the videos thank you!
You can soece the parts (or different applicable parts) from other sites or diy applications like dk customs. But none are specifically designed to work with the trask air cleaner. Currently the reason the price is so high is because the kit comes with a solid adapter back plate. If you watch some more of my videos you’ll see the issues and differences and reasons behind the swap and new offerings from trask
I would appreciate it if you read the description of the video where I stated I put a link to the product in. But here it is copy pasted again....: shop.traskperformance.com/products/tm-1023-11-trask-assault-air-filter-external-breather-kit-m8 And because your wording is kinda wonky I'm not sure if you're talking about the external breather kit or the air breather so the link to the air breather is here: shop.traskperformance.com/collections/fuel-air/products/air-cleaner-kit And I'm really not sure how you couldn't find it. It's a google click away....
Yes very much. I have a video that is a lot more recent that explains all of the pros on why you would even want an external breather and how exactly it works.
Sure you want to redirect that shit coming from the pressure in the crankcase into the intake.. instead send it out…. But you also really should put on a vented transmission cover
I’m aware. If you watch any of my several updated videos I explain my current setup. I’m using a checkm8 with catch can and venting breather bolts to the atmosphere
Are you talking about just adding an external breather kit? No. You never have to retune when just doing an external breather. Adding just a different air cleaner you don’t really have to but it always helps.
I’m not doing anything to make anything more acceptable. And if you knew exactly what I was talking about or listen to the video the reason that Harley and many other manufacturers vent the crank case pressure back into the intake is due to EPA regulations. And a lot of other brands have owners who do similar mods. And part of the culture and love behind Harley is being able to individualize and personalize your bike right down to every last bolt and hardware piece. That is a huge drive behind people buying the brand. Some people enjoy modifying their bikes to make them different or better than stock form
I fail to comprehend how and why the MoCo, in this day and age, couldn't foresee this issue and ensure it wasn't on the bikes they happily released for sale to an unsuspecting customer base. This is basic engineering failure, and every sold motorcycle should be recalled and repaired at the company's expense. Not good enough, not even close. Kind of glad I didn't outlay my hard-earned for this debacle. Shame on you Harley Davidson. Is this what you think of your loyal customers?
Well Harley had to recycle the oil to the intake due to epa regulations. Just like about 90% of of other motorcycle manufacturers. Some just have slightly better ways of doing it.
@@RidinDad But that's my whole point. They already were aware of this issue, they must've done thousands of hours of testing, surely they would've noticed the problem and come up with a solution before selling the bikes to unsuspecting customers. Or is that too much to ask?
I don’t understand what you are wanting from them exactly. We are both on the same page as far as why they had to vented the way they did so the only thing I can see with you arguing about them doing from the factory is just having the lower tolerances for the Pistons and the rings and having the extra balancer in the MA engines causing hire cavitation and more crank case pressure and increased blow by to begin with. In which case yes a somewhat agree with you but the bikes work completely fine. It’s just a matter of what you want to do to your own and for what reasons
@@RidinDad I understand what you're saying, what I'm trying to say is that the customer is paying a large amount for a premium product. For the price, you would expect (well, I would anyway, I've bought two new Harley's, nowhere near as many as some, but I'm not rich), that this issue would've arisen during testing, wouldn't it? And if it did, why couldn't it have been sorted before releasing the bikes to be sold? Maybe I'm being too fussy? I don't think I am, I realise there's no such thing as a perfect product, and that in the scheme of things a bit of oil ending up on top of your pistons may not be a big deal, but if the issue is as easily dealt with as it appears to be, why couldn't that happen before the point of sale? Do you think I'm being unreasonable in expecting a potentially harmful to the engine issue to be rectified before you buy it, then having to rectify it yourself? If that's the case, and you believe I am asking too much of the MoCo, all I can say to that is you're easily pleased. To buy a Harley in Australia, the prices for a big twin are now around the 30K zone, more than a lot of cars. My first Harley was a new '91 Heritage Softail, and as that bike aged, it started to do the same thing that the new HD's are doing now. Don't you think that they've had plenty of time to think about a solution, and not leave it up to the customer to rectify?
I don’t think you are asking too much I understand what you are talking about. However pretty much all of us don’t know anything about Harleys just kind of understand that you pay to play and that is the par for the course with them. If you want a problem free bike that you don’t have to do anything with you can buy a Honda Goldwing and ride that for 200,000 miles with nothing but scheduled maintenance. It just is what it is, Harley‘s are made a completely different way and that’s why they experienced the troubles that they have. And no, from the factory they can’t do anything about it like the fixes that I’ve been showing because the EPA regulates it and it cannot vent to the atmosphere. That’s the whole issue with us problem.
Google, my videos, forums, pretty much everywhere will explain everything I do. Every bike dumps blow by back in to the intake due to epa regulations. Cars do it too that’s why so many part manufactures make catch can kits for larger v8’s especially. This is a fox for that on the Harley. The m8’s have even more blow by than normal due to crap tolerances, and the balancer in the crankcase
Almost every bike produced in the past 30ish years vents crankcase mist back in to the intake. It’s an epa regulation issue and not a manufacturer issue. My most recent video talks a lot more about external breathers in general
I just installed one...........immediately developed an oil leak. after I installed it I road for about 100 miles. Came out the next day and found an oil trail about ten inches long. I thought maybe i pinched the gasket ( because it was so much fun taking it off and on). The oil looked like it was dripping out the exhaust on the left side of the bike. After further investigation, I found it was coming out the CheckM8 filter. Completely gunked up my CVO where it dripped down just under the side cover and went all over the engine bay. I will be reaching out to Trask ( they seem like nice people) maybe they can help me out.
@@ihateemael I already put the stock cover back on. I was losing sleep thinking about the leak. I didn't think about making a video. I will check back in after I talk to trask
WHY DOESN'T SOMEONE MAKE A HIGH PERFORMANCE UMBRELLA VALVE ????? of all the wonderful new synthetic rubber type substances available, i can not understand why i can't get an absolutely bichin' pair of umbrella valves for $8 .... ONCE THE CRANKCASE DEVELOPS A VACUUM, ( shortly after stating ), NOT MUCH SHOULD COME OUT!!! ...this is a job for S&S ( please forward to S&S, i am very bussy right now, thank you )
@@RidinDad i am talking aftermarket valves made of a more compliant, yet just as durable, alternate substance ( eg.Viton, Neoprene...something more supple, but i am no expert there. ) i suppose one could alternately examine the substrate, of the casting, that the valves act upon; and address any issues, found there, under a magnifying loupe...
I don’t understand why you are wanting that though? There’s nothing wrong with the valves. Very seldom does one of them fail and they are usually very good. The issue is with the tolerance between the rings and the cylinder walls. That’s what builds up the excess of blow by and causes all of the gunk to exit the breather bolts. So I don’t understand why you are wanting different valves when they are doing their job
@@RidinDad yeah, it's the heat that forces the tolerance... but i am going to try dolling up the umbrella valve seating area, and maybe see if i can fit a little wad of copper choreboy upstream before i mess with an external.
Still don’t understand your issue with the valves. In my opinion they’re doing their job just fine. The issue is before the valves. Blow by, factory tolerances etc.
Ok? Some bikes have worse blow by then others. Depends on rpm levels, riding style, etc. doesn’t mean the fluid wasn’t there. Just means it got sucked in to the intake instead of fell on the filter
@@RidinDad I put an external breather. I had the catch can for a while and it would expell the fluid from the top vents. Then I used a filter from Amazon. I washed it every three weeks or so when washing my bike. That's why it never leaked. It was on my twin cam 103 and I rode it hard. Going to do the ebs on my new trike after I do the stage 1 in Feb.
Oh you used an external pod filter. I gotchya. I thought you were just volunteering the info that your air filter never leaked. My bad, I understand now!!
What do you mean by in original idea. There are only so many ways to vent the crank case pressure externally of the air filter on these bikes. And as far as external venting in general, it’s not some bad or anything like that. It’s just that more people are becoming educated about what’s actually going on with the venting and what it does to the engine
I recommend watching Kevin Baxter of Baxters garage. He is a true Professional mechanic, not just a parts changer. He explains all of these issues in detail
@@RidinDad I just mean that so many people r using 20$ of parts and charging 200 $ for it. Its a shame,when I starting riding,40years ago, most men could fix anything on their bike,its a shame.
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Catching up on some of your content … yes blow by is dumped back in for EPA standards I did a video about the RPM act last year and recently did a video on why I had the carbon build up on my heads and piston
Mad monkey sent me out a kit for the blow by issue I know Blockhead did a hack kit not very impressed with him venting to the top of the trans cover without a check valve
The M8 comes “richer” than the TC
Good upload and thanks for your service
Yeah I have several updated videos after this including one titled blow by vs sumping. I have a couple changes to my setup since this video and I'll check out your channel for sure man!
Very cool!! I was about to do the whole drill and tap and fabricate thing but now I think I'll go with this simple install. Nice video, thanks!!
Thanks! But you have to watch my more recent videos about this too. Doing JUST this won't really externally vent that much. I have a video that talks about what Trask is doing for us & how to fix the problem 100%
I went with a D K Customs catch can held by a Kuryakyn P clamp , 1 3/8 to 1 1/2 , mounted to a bolt at my rear V&H exhaust bracket with a rubber 90 elbow and bent up and form fitted a stainless steel 5 /16 tube that runs to the same place as your T fitting , i also used two rubber insulated brake line p clamps on the rear tappet cover bolts , realy solid ,
Awesome. Sounds very well done. I have switched to a simple breather filter at the bottom right at the t filter just to try it out. There’s so many possibilities!
Just subd because you keep it simple so to speak. Enjoyed watching, Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺
Thank you, I appreciate that!!! 👊🏻
Looking forward to seeing your dyno numbers for the stage one. Also I gotta tell you, your intro is great it gets stuck in my head when I watch your videos and I sing it around the house hahaha.
Lol every time someone tells me that it makes me happy. Mission accomplished!!!! I feel good about them. Video is all uploaded and ready to go live next weekend!!
I just used a mini oil separator canister for an air compressor. Works great.
Yeah man. Tons of options!
Curious to see if this actually cuts down on your blow by.... Ive been reading a lot about internal vs external and it seems the carbon build up, all things being equal, is about the same. I was shocked.
Well i don’t think it will help with blow by. I’ll need the vented dipstick to help with that. But it should help with the intake side at least!
looking forward to the long term review on this
Me too lol
Got a 750 ml bullet aluminum catchcan from Mitsubishi racing has a filter also.made a bracket and hung it off my engine guard bolt plate right next to my oil cooler. 50 bucks for all
Nice!! Sounds like it ticks away nicely
Yep. No oil in the filter immediate power adder better mileage less engine wear. And my buddy got one put it on his 107 and he loves it.
I currently switched to a small breather filter partially hidden behind the air filter. Been working good so far!
Thanks ridin dad, gread vid mate. Love from Australia
Appreciate it!!!!!! 👊🏻
Yea man, I’m on a ‘14 dyna.. did almost the same.. the filter def gunks up quick then you’ve got oil spewing down the side.. gotta clean them
Gotta love the Harley’s!
Great video man. I just got the fueling vented dipstick yesterday. It keeps crankcase pressure in check. I took my bike on a ride right after i installed it, and i just couldnt believe it. It really feels like another bike. Just the dipstick alone made it feel like i installed exhaust, and air cleaner AGAIN. LOL. They say the vented dipstick prevents pressure spit back into the throttle body. I believe it.
Yeah it definitely does keep the pressure away. That’s on of my next installs!!
What if theres benefits to having pressure in the bottom end?
If feel that way then something like the checkm8 from Trask would be way better. If you watch my “do you need an external breather” video I talk all about that and the whole vacuum/pressure debate
My 2000 Sportster is vented straight out into the atmosphere from the head bolts , it does not produce any mist whatsoever, the performance is so much better since I changed it , there are so many configurations out there , vent it straight out , it’s easy
Only some people can vent it straight out. I’ve seen maybe guys vent it straight out with breather bolts like you have that have to clean mist off their bike every ride. My bike produces a lot of mist so I know this method would never work for me
Yea, vent it strait out if you’re a pos hilljack
Another great vid. Any plans on also possibly installing a vented oil dipstick? Any opinions of the efficacy of it? Seen of few vids of guys doing both the external breather and vented dipstick.
Yes!!!!!! Possibly one of my next de ent purchases besides new tires and powder coating the wheels 😎. I’ve heard that the vented dipstick pretty much kills the need to an external air filter vent. I think the dipstick will definitely help a lot if not completely fix the problem. Thanks man! 👊🏻
@@RidinDad I have the feuling vented dipstick on my 19 roadglide and I'm still getting mist in my intake even after putting the external beather.. I have a stage 2 on my bike with a zippers 468 cam and fuelmoto jackpot 2 into 1 exhaust...
That sucks :/ I’ve heard very good things about it.
I think the vented dipstick would relive some pressure on the bottom end & not have much affect on top.
Great in depth video bro. Can’t wait to see how it works out for you after some ride time. Can’t wait to get that bad boy on the fat boy!!! 🤙🏾🔥
Thanks man!! Do it!!!!!! They’re awesome
instablaster.
Cool
Great video and some really clever ideas! Thanks for posting this!!
Thanks for watchin man!
I redirected it to my chain on old shovelhead sporty and my evolution ultra. Chaindrive4life
Hell yeah chains!!!! 🤘🏼.
Nice, alot of ppl have no idea that all engines recycle crank case pressure into the intake.
Truthfully before I started doing stuff to my bikes I had no idea either! That’s why I love working on them. You learn more about how they operate
@@RidinDad right in 🤙keep making good content.
Thanks man!!!! I appreciate it!
Your right,but only a Harley owner would pay 80$ to change that.
Do some research man. There’s a lot of proof behind all the adverse effects of all this vented oily mist going in to your intake
Say man the one thing I foresee is that there are no vent holes in the catch can, now I don’t necessarily think you need them, but if air is coming out then it needs a place for it to go or it becomes pressurized right? 🤔 maybe a few small holes on the lid of the “fuel filter catch can”? Just my two pesos
I don’t know if you just didn’t hear it for some reason or watt. But in the beginning I said if I used that fuel filter alone I would drill holes and then at the end of it when I wound up only using it I showed and explained where I drilled holes in the top to vent. You are absolutely right, there is air coming in so there needs to be some sort of vent for the current to continue. And there are holes there
I just built my own EBS on my stock 114 breather and used 1/4” fuel line from Lowe’s and I recommend using something more pliable if possible. The fuel line is pretty thick and a little difficult to maneuver. I was thinking I needed something thick because of heat but that’s easily avoidable if you route it the way you did.
Also when you use the stock breather you have to drill holes in the backplate, so be prepared. I’m kinda just throwing it together right now and see what I like and don’t like about it? Spent less than $20 on it so far.
I’ll eventually put the 636 from DK on the bike with a legitimate EBS and catch can from them as well. This is just a temporary fix.
Funny you say that. One of my most recent videos is me switching out to the 636 with e thermal breather kit from DK lol
I used the same fuel filter as a catch can. I put a rubber nipple on the bottom and drilled small holes in the top. I did this a couple months ago. Works great. After every ride, a decent amount of water comes out when I take the nilple off
Great to know someone else is doing the same setup!!! Glad to hear it works good
@@RidinDad I would send pictures but I dont know how.
No way that I know of on TH-cam but if you have an Instagram I’m there! Sounds like we have pretty much the same setup. I’m very curious to see where and how yours is mounted
@@RidinDad I do not have any social media. I put a T in behind the filter housing like you did but I ran my single hose towards the front in between the cylinder and pushrods then down in between the frame and motor. Its pretty hidden but easy to get to the nipple to drain it
Awesome! I’m gonna play around with options over the next month or two
Great video .. just got it done to my bike
Awesome and thank you! Make sure to watch my most recent video on the subject that covers all the info about external breathers and Trask too!!
You just save me a trip to the hardware store,thanks! Looking for a mounting spot.
Happy huntin man
@@RidinDad Worked out great! I mounted it near one of the holes for the mid frame deflectors on my Road Glide,can just barely see it.
Niceeeeee!
@@RidinDad Fantastic video,I have been sitting on this kit for two years and your video got me off my ass,thanks again!
Awesome! Glad I can help 🤘🏼
Spoke with a few HD shops and for the M8 they said most of the "mist" is burned off long as you're not making too many short trips. I just hit 10k and put a scope down mine and the heads and pistons are very clean. SYN3 oil every 4k miles as well all the way around.
I’ve heard from a few H-D techs online with m8’s who say the opposite as well as people showing the inside of their pistons. It might be burned off but what’s getting left behind in the install and engine after it’s burned? I’d rather vent externally and keep that gunk out of there
@@RidinDad Makes sense. I guess when EPA is involved you know it's never good for any motor so yeah, probably won't "hurt anything" at best.
Yeah of course
Thanks for the information, I have HD FAT BOY 2005 and I look spacer breaters and I can't find the reason is because some times smell fuel and can't find leak.
I’m not 100% sure what you’re asking. If you’re asking anything I don’t fully understand and if it’s just a comment the. I’m happy to help!
@@RidinDad looking online the spacers I can't find. Thanks for your help.. 😃🤟
Are you talking about the spacers for the external breather kit? Or just the regular spacers that come in the kit? If something happened to your original spacers that came with the air cleaner I’m sure if you contact the company they can tell you how to get a hold of a new set. If you were talking about the external kit, it is offered on their website for various applications
Horsepower Inc has similar design and black anodized to match scheme. Also check out video of install where hoses where directed upward for a more concealed look.
Yeah I’ve seen a video with theirs and several with it touted up between cylinders. I have a lot going on on that side of the bike & im not keen on having them go against gravity either :/. It’s been doing good so far!
Done basically the same only just left mine open ran it between the engine and transmission I ride a 99 Softail though
Yupp that’s the most recent way I have mine fonfingured too. Tried a few different setups before this one oo
Very clean install nice work.
Thanks man!
Awesome! Dad man! Great background music!🤙🏼
Thanks!! I appreciate YOU! 👊🏻
Well done and well explained!
Thanks man!
what about the holesthat direct oil into the throttle body, you didnt plug them? oil can still get in there.
That’s exactly what my thoughts were. I called trask about it since the kit had nothing for them. Trask said the oil will follow path of least resistance & go out the external holes. They even said plugging the small holes would be unnecessary. Time will tell!
@@RidinDad mine is still leaking into the intake and I installed the external kit with the intake initially.. I may have to plug the holes.
@@RidinDad I also ride my bike pretty hard ... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah that’s my worry for me too!! I know Trask knows what they are doing but to me, common sense would say if air is being rushed in to the intake how could it not Paul oil and missed from those holes if you’re pulling Aaron. So I think I’m gonna wind up having to seal up my holes with some RTV as well
@@RidinDad bingo.
I just ordered the trans case cover from trask had no issues before but doing a 128 zippers kit so with the extra hp and tq thoughts were maybe I should but thinking maybe don't need to do what you're doing because want to keep some vacuum
Yeah that’s a personal choice for sure. And it’s always a good idea to have the checkm8 but with new pistons, cylinders walls and rings, your blow by should be less since you got rid of crappy Harley tolerances.
Cars have a PCV valve that works in the same manner as the Trask tranny cover with that reed valve. The PCV valve allows gasses that escape the combustion chamber past the piston rings to vent from the crankcase then into the intake so it's environmental friendly. MoCo is doing the same by routing the blow-by gasses back into air cleaner/throttle body. The engine needs to breath, so routing the blow-by back into the crankcase is not good idea. Routing to a vented catch can is a better solution in my opinion.
I installed DK custom catch can it works great.
Yupp if you watch any of my more recent stuff I talk about my current setup. Fun I g checkm8 with a catch can abs venting external breather to atmosphere
Hey man great video was just curious as to where you got your catch can from?
The catch can I used to run is from dk customs
Im going with either the trask checkm8 vent tranny cover or the fueling vented dipstick.
I really like the Trask. I think it has more pros than the dipstick vent
I know this is an old post but I have the Fueling vented dipstick and when I installed the Assault air cleaner from Trask I found I still have some mist on the clear Trask cover after only about 10 miles.
Yeah. Vented dipstick only helps a little. I tried it out on mine too
Have you also looked into vented dipsticks?
Absolutely I have. It’s on my list of “needs”. I have heard that a vented dipstick almost completely negates the need for external breathing at the filter. They’re just sorta pricey so I’m doing some other stuff first
I have a 2021 Low Rider S .
Turning up soon .
What’s your thoughts on the Trask CheckM8 Vented Trans Top Cover . To prevent Blow By.
Cheers 🍻 Angus
I think it’s a really good product. I have one sitting in a box waiting for me to install it lol
Awesome mate.
I’m putting on Trask Assault Charge High Flow Air Cleaner Kit with the External Breather Kit 👍👍👍
I’m in Sydney Australia 🇦🇺 and my bike has finally just turned up. It took ages , I’m so stoked. 👍
That’s awesome man!!! Have fun with it!! Did you watch my video about external breathers and Trask and stuff. More recent than this one and it goes more in depth about why and what it all does too
Yeah I did watch it. And I will again just to keep up to speed with it all .
I want my engine kept clean as a whistle 👍👍👍
My auto catch can and tons of others have baffles in them and breath through that same kind of brass filter. It prob would do the same job.
Good to know! I wound up switching to a breather filter but I actually just broke down and bought the DK customs 4 stage catch can so I'll have a video on that sucker in a few weeks!
I am interested in that kit and you have a link to where you can find it and purchase it I have a 2010 ultra limited thank you I love the video good information
The link is in the description for all product installs I do. But this specific product is for my m8 bike. If you go to www.Traskperformance.com you can see what’s available for your specific bike
I used one for 30,000 Miles, Still on the Bike when I sold it.
An external breather kit?
Vent to air ! and be done with it. Filters on the end of a hose are simply shop rags to suck up oil .. until they saturate then drip..
Yeah since this is so I vented to air. Did a few different setups
i know its already 3 years but i think that you should also block the ports in the air cleaner body.. this way you have did, it potentialy some of the residue still can go to intake..
There’s several more videos about this. One is me doing exactly that. And another is trask fixing the issue with a new back piece that has 0 holes
@@RidinDadunfortunate its a separate kit. 1/3 the price
Yeah but most air cleaners require a separate kit to make it externally vent. A lot of people don’t care about it and don’t want the extra work of externally venting so as a company they have to cater to the market
@@RidinDad hmm what about an options menu, seems like i waste i have to have a billet backing plate & all the original fitment in my cupboard, unused
Yeah, I know what you mean. That would be nice to have. I know some companies are dictated by what they are allowed to sell based on where they are manufactured out of, so maybe that is something they are restricted by, or it could just be an ease of assembly sort of thing or just a money, grabbing technique, honestly, I don’t know, but I do agree it would be nice to just have the option
nice install ridin dad..clean and hidden
Thanks !
trask has 2 kits now....including 1 for the M8 with with a back plate.
Good!
New subscriber.... ive hearing alot on the oil mist.
I ride street 750 revolution x and have seen oil on the filter since new in 2015. I asked Harley got no answer until this year.
Thought I'd ask you if you would put breather on it. I like this bike.
Need a drip can ?
Im retired and its light weight speedy and water cooled.
What I have done is change the oil and filter alot. Im seeing gray wear in the oil but not chunks or slivers.
I did have the starter assembly 1 way bearing go out. Harley had no answered to my questions or part numbers. Loud bell ringing noise. I got it fixed $20 ebay 1way bearing. Case gasket.
Dealer I bought bike from here in Canton Ohio went bully up. Freedom Harley. I did get help from Dovers Adventure Harley. At least I was able to come in and both go thru there parts listing. Order a parts list book and pdf file on break down.
So I’m not too familiar with the street 750’s. I know blow by is a big issue with the m8 motors more than any others. If you are having excessive mist come from your breather bolts it couldn’t hurt to do an external breather. And if something more serious is going on like an oil pump or ring seating issue you’ll be able to see just how much mist is coming out when you isolate the issue
And thanks for the sub!!!
so I got the air cleaner from trask and I'm debating on the external..... what's the consensus just use the lines or use a filter or a catch can? it's been over a year now I'm sure you found what's best by now 😉 anything helps just looking for direction for what to do. thanks in advance
Personal preference man. I’ve used all 3 options. I don’t like the filter at all. I ran just hoses for a yearish and now I have a catch can I’ve been using
Mine had oil dripping from the filter onto the cam cover. I have a 131 and love to ride it.
Yeah these M8's have a known issue with excessive blow by for sure. I have a more recent video talkin g about the issues/solutions from Trask and their checkm8 cover which has helped blow by a ton!!
@@RidinDad Just threw one on a couple days ago! Problem still happens. Not sure what to do now. Probably pull it off and go to the dealer to make them do something about it?
They probably won’t do anything as blow by is a regular issue. It’s a possibility you have some issue with ring seating. What year and which oil pump you have?
I put my spacers behind the breather bolts with the outlets pointed up on my sporty and ran from the front cylinder to T on the rest cylinder and out and down to the belt guard. No oil comes out of it at all, as gravity holds it in the engine. It's been on there for about 3 years now.
That’s not how that works at all. Gravity cannot keep it in the engine because those are butterfly valves. They do not allow anything into the engine but they’ll oil out when there is excessive pressure. You more than likely just have a good set up and a bike with a good ring seat meant and no issue with blow by.
@@RidinDad Can't argue with you on that one, all I know is it works for me.
I have the same setup but I put the pod right under the filter and between the pushrods in black. You can barely notice it.
That’s the current setup I switched to just to play around. Easy to change it up so I’ll be experimenting for sure!
@@RidinDad I’m going to see if the pod filter causes any drips, if so I will put a DK catchcan in. Good luck,keep up the great vids!
I can’t remember the name right now but another one of my subscribers commented a little bit ago saying that the pod filter will leave drips. But according to DK customs who obviously sells both, they claim that unless the engine is incredibly old and spits oil really really bad, that the filter or the can do pretty much the exact same thing.
And thanks man!!!!!
@@RidinDad good to know, that catchcan is 100$ by the time it’s gets to Canada with shipping, 10 bucks for the pod filter on Amazon. I’m willing to wait and see!
Should have picked up the front breather line on the branch of the “T” , this prevents the vapors from fighting each other, I’m a plumber/fitter , we always avoid product from bumping into each other. MLNR JIMMY53
I hear ya but this has been done so often and they’re check valves so I don’t feel it matters that much if any here
I used a small clear inline fuel filter on my trike. It's hidden under the frame out of sight. Cost of filter and hose was $5 total. Works perfectly.
Awesome! I currently have a small breather filter instead of a catch can and I have it partially hidden right under my air filter
Except that oil either gets on the ground or the bike. Doesn’t seem ideal.
@@Steve-qn8gn less likely than the open element filters. I'm able to see any accumulation that collects. I can simply empty it or change it.
@@charlesfulcher880 I see. I thought you meant an open filter like the fueling dipstick vent uses.
@@Steve-qn8gn is a clear fuel filter for a lawn mower. It's mounted horizontal so it shouldn't leak.
Very informative.
👊🏻
Fueling makes a great setup
Does it work with the Trask assault ?
@@RidinDad for sure,and its cheaper at fuel moto. Here's the link : www.fuelmotousa.com/i-23898829-feuling-vented-dipstick-black-m8-flh-models.html
That's what I've got along w the trask setup. Solved all of my problems
Oh the dipstick. Yeah I knew about that. I thought you were talking about an external breather setup
@@RidinDad it's actually amazing asto how we'll it works
Any changes to your original setup?
Not other than that check M eat from them. The only difference is I’m venting the external breather hose straight to the atmosphere with no filter or anything because barely anything is getting out and I’m using a catch tan for the transmission top cover vent because it fits better in my spot
The vacuum from the air intake is going to continue to pull the oil into the intake unless you plug the two holes in the intake.
You need to watch my most recent video. It addresses that issue as well as addresses what Trask told me to do
Great work and very well placed.
Thanks man!
How did your set up work...is your rear brake calipar or tire now oil soaked ...???
Nope. Is kid you’re legitimately curious or you’re just trying super hard to be right about this. But there’s tons of guys running similar setups. There’s some people running hollow hoses to the bottom of the bike with no catch can or filter at all and they have no issues. Even if my setup were to leak oil, which is does not, it wouldn’t get on my rear caliper or tire due to where the filter is.
Didn't mean to come across like a smart-ass...but since your not sucking your oil fumes back into your engine ...the oily vapors are still going to collect ..on mine the two rocker cover vents are tee'd together like you but mine runs all the way to the rear wheel thats where the filter/catch can is ...yes ..oily vapor condenses back there and it does drip ...but the way mines plumbed it drips out not on the bike...
Old truckers used to call this system a road draft tube ..
Wherever your end of that line winds up ..its going to drip oil ..just like it collected in your air filter ..
Good luck..👍👍👍
Where my breather filter is placed when it gets decently full of oil it burns off. It’s incredibly hot right where it’s at and when you’re not moving you can see the oil smoke off of the filter. Plus the filter is not meant to be a set and forget deal. It’s made to be something that semi regularly you remove and wash out/clean
Dude, you're over thinking it. Just vent each head separately (without T) to atmosphere, no can, the mist is so minimal it's a non-issue. If you want to get fancy add a check valve to each line to maintain any vacuum in the heads. By bonding the to together they can work against each other.
Not overthinking it at all. And I have several new videos on this with my current set up and some trial and error stuff.
Amazon have little breathable catch cans called
Vented Breather Canister Chrome.
There roughly two inches by 1.5 inches I have one on my low rider s with forward facing filter that comes on the 22 model .
Wish I could post pictures on here.
I have a catch can from dk customs. I use it for my checkm8 now. This video is fairly old. I’ve changed my setup multiple times now
@@RidinDad so, no reason to put extension breather kit for intake if setup top cover breather?
No, there is still a reason. The top cover won’t eliminate blow by 100.%.
Thanks for info
👊🏻
After the breather is installed as per video. Shouldn't you have to retune since initially the bike was tuned with that oily gassy mixture ?
No I don’t think so. It’s such a minimal difference for the duration of the tuning. The biggest issue with tunes and performance as far as external breather systems go is if you do not have one overtime that build up from the breather Bolt starts to accumulate on the top of your pistons and changes your displacement in compression, obviously by a super small amount but still enough to change your tune and diminish your bikes performance
If you have target tune on your bike like I do, it will take care of any difference in air intake. Downside, a little costly.
Modern bikes can adjust for small differences by themselves. You don’t need target tune for something like this. And target tune in general is a waste od money in my opinion. Only good option is a professional dyno tune. Beyond that anything else is useless
Catch can all the way, the air filter will end up dripping oil and gunk out.
That’s my thought too!!
Awesome cheers 🍻 Mate
If I buy the checkm8 would I still need this breather kit?
Sort of. The checkm8 will cut down on blow by a lot so not much will be coming out your breather bolts. BUT some stuff will be coming out and the only way to make sure NoNE of it gets in the engine is to externally vent it. Hope this helps man!
The crankcase needs to be vented to allow pressure/blow-by to escape. Routing blow-by gasses back to the tranny cover doesn't allow the positive crankcase pressure to escape the system. A vented catch can is needed.
I have a 2020 RoadGlide S. My wife has a 2017 RoadGlide s no sumping her bike has 16 k on the OD Mine is a stage 2 nothing crazy.
Do the big inch builds with riders doing 3rd gear rolling burnouts have more issues.Just asking
I can’t speak from experience because I don’t do that. But I can say from mine and others stories that the more aggressive of a rider you are the more crankcase venting happens. And whether or not you see it. Yours are doing it too. Every Harley does it. Some worse than others. It’s just how they’re designed
To meet epa standards
Gracias por la traducción,muy bueno
I don’t speak Spanish
Did you have a problem with there being a gap between the breather bolts and the bracket support for the air cleaner? Just installed mine and theres a gap, after torquing.
No, there should not be any kind of gap at all. Sounds like something is not lining up correctly somewhere. But they should fit completely flush especially with the O rings installed
@@RidinDad weird. It's like my bolts are a little too long or something.
Yeah that’s very weird. I have never heard of anybody having that issue. If you run it like that you definitely will be getting the oil spewing out since that’s the seal that keeps all of the excessive crank case pressure within the unit and I just tweaking out all over your head breeders. I would give Trask a call and see what they say. Maybe you just got a super weird batch of bolts or a weird batch of spacers that is out of spec for some reason
@@danieltb92 I’m having the same issues. We’re you able to figure out how to snug it up?
@@Lowriderjo just sanded down the bolts about 1/8" which is what Trask told me to do.
Have u seen the TRASK
Mystfree Breather Kit ? Are tried it
I have. It’s only for twin cams though. And it does not act the same as an external breather kit at all
What size tee connector did you use?
Standard 3/8 I believe.
Can you use the assault air filter external breathing kit with the stock intake?
Nope. Breather bolts are different. Check out my most recent video on how this kit didn’t actually work and what I had to do to fix it
I installed a trask checkm8 and Hpi breather and eternal breath kit, no catch just dripping to the road. After riding at 1300 miles I was about a qt low (bottom of the dip stick ) and had to ad some on the way back. Is this the usual amount or ?
It depends. It could be normal for your bike. The nice thing about a catch can is you can see how much is coming out and monitor it. It’s way too much though to burn an entire quart in 1300 miles
Yo! Great content.
Thanks man!!! 🤙🏼
just here wondering if theres a way to get those external breather spacers with the nipples and the hoses without spending $150 theres no way theyre worth that much. love the videos thank you!
You can soece the parts (or different applicable parts) from other sites or diy applications like dk customs. But none are specifically designed to work with the trask air cleaner. Currently the reason the price is so high is because the kit comes with a solid adapter back plate. If you watch some more of my videos you’ll see the issues and differences and reasons behind the swap and new offerings from trask
We used neoprene washers for $.10 apiece on mine
The washers don’t change where the breather bolts vent to. You still need other hardware???
@RidinDad
No. We got the leak stopped there but still a good bit of blowby.
An evo we just rebuild
Be appreciated to know how to find out where to get that air breather in that kit or at least the kit from Trask I looked and cannot find it
I would appreciate it if you read the description of the video where I stated I put a link to the product in. But here it is copy pasted again....: shop.traskperformance.com/products/tm-1023-11-trask-assault-air-filter-external-breather-kit-m8
And because your wording is kinda wonky I'm not sure if you're talking about the external breather kit or the air breather so the link to the air breather is here: shop.traskperformance.com/collections/fuel-air/products/air-cleaner-kit
And I'm really not sure how you couldn't find it. It's a google click away....
Where are u from would love to see it in person
Sw Florida
Make sure you put the catch can where you can get to it easy i have a HD and a RE and the RE is a bitch to get to
Agreed!!
Is there any reason why you dont try to put the oil back into the engine?
Yes very much. I have a video that is a lot more recent that explains all of the pros on why you would even want an external breather and how exactly it works.
Because then you have a loop and the pressure has nowhere to go. It would be like venting your air from your compressor back into your air compressor.
That’s not really true, it comes from the factory with the pressure routed back to the intake
@@TeensierPython could you not run a T an have 1 end gravity feed to the dip stick and the other do a filter or relief valve?
Sure you want to redirect that shit coming from the pressure in the crankcase into the intake.. instead send it out…. But you also really should put on a vented transmission cover
Done. About a year ago. Videos on it
Meanwhile the content and the production quality is great I do have to agree that you talk 5 times more than needed.
Well I appreciate the feedback and that you watch it. I am who I am 🤷♂️
“I’m gonna go get the paper, get the paper”
catch can works better that one still sprays oil out
I’m aware. If you watch any of my several updated videos I explain my current setup. I’m using a checkm8 with catch can and venting breather bolts to the atmosphere
A lot of not sure. Meh I’ll move on
lol what am I not sure about oh wise one??
Do you have two windows??????
What do you mean? Like 2 of the windows for the air cleaner?
If i do this to my 2016 dyna FI. I have to retune after the mod?
Are you talking about just adding an external breather kit? No. You never have to retune when just doing an external breather. Adding just a different air cleaner you don’t really have to but it always helps.
Why is it that every Harley sold needs the purchaser to install modifications to make it more acceptable?
I’m not doing anything to make anything more acceptable. And if you knew exactly what I was talking about or listen to the video the reason that Harley and many other manufacturers vent the crank case pressure back into the intake is due to EPA regulations. And a lot of other brands have owners who do similar mods. And part of the culture and love behind Harley is being able to individualize and personalize your bike right down to every last bolt and hardware piece. That is a huge drive behind people buying the brand. Some people enjoy modifying their bikes to make them different or better than stock form
I fail to comprehend how and why the MoCo, in this day and age, couldn't foresee this issue and ensure it wasn't on the bikes they happily released for sale to an unsuspecting customer base. This is basic engineering failure, and every sold motorcycle should be recalled and repaired at the company's expense. Not good enough, not even close. Kind of glad I didn't outlay my hard-earned for this debacle.
Shame on you Harley Davidson. Is this what you think of your loyal customers?
Well Harley had to recycle the oil to the intake due to epa regulations. Just like about 90% of of other motorcycle manufacturers. Some just have slightly better ways of doing it.
@@RidinDad But that's my whole point. They already were aware of this issue, they must've done thousands of hours of testing, surely they would've noticed the problem and come up with a solution before selling the bikes to unsuspecting customers. Or is that too much to ask?
I don’t understand what you are wanting from them exactly. We are both on the same page as far as why they had to vented the way they did so the only thing I can see with you arguing about them doing from the factory is just having the lower tolerances for the Pistons and the rings and having the extra balancer in the MA engines causing hire cavitation and more crank case pressure and increased blow by to begin with. In which case yes a somewhat agree with you but the bikes work completely fine. It’s just a matter of what you want to do to your own and for what reasons
@@RidinDad I understand what you're saying, what I'm trying to say is that the customer is paying a large amount for a premium product. For the price, you would expect (well, I would anyway, I've bought two new Harley's, nowhere near as many as some, but I'm not rich), that this issue would've arisen during testing, wouldn't it? And if it did, why couldn't it have been sorted before releasing the bikes to be sold? Maybe I'm being too fussy? I don't think I am, I realise there's no such thing as a perfect product, and that in the scheme of things a bit of oil ending up on top of your pistons may not be a big deal, but if the issue is as easily dealt with as it appears to be, why couldn't that happen before the point of sale? Do you think I'm being unreasonable in expecting a potentially harmful to the engine issue to be rectified before you buy it, then having to rectify it yourself? If that's the case, and you believe I am asking too much of the MoCo, all I can say to that is you're easily pleased. To buy a Harley in Australia, the prices for a big twin are now around the 30K zone, more than a lot of cars. My first Harley was a new '91 Heritage Softail, and as that bike aged, it started to do the same thing that the new HD's are doing now. Don't you think that they've had plenty of time to think about a solution, and not leave it up to the customer to rectify?
I don’t think you are asking too much I understand what you are talking about. However pretty much all of us don’t know anything about Harleys just kind of understand that you pay to play and that is the par for the course with them. If you want a problem free bike that you don’t have to do anything with you can buy a Honda Goldwing and ride that for 200,000 miles with nothing but scheduled maintenance. It just is what it is, Harley‘s are made a completely different way and that’s why they experienced the troubles that they have. And no, from the factory they can’t do anything about it like the fixes that I’ve been showing because the EPA regulates it and it cannot vent to the atmosphere. That’s the whole issue with us problem.
Thing is a 20k plus bike shouldn’t need this
Google, my videos, forums, pretty much everywhere will explain everything I do. Every bike dumps blow by back in to the intake due to epa regulations. Cars do it too that’s why so many part manufactures make catch can kits for larger v8’s especially. This is a fox for that on the Harley. The m8’s have even more blow by than normal due to crap tolerances, and the balancer in the crankcase
WTF!
We spend 20 to 30 thousand on a Harley and we need to do this to prevent oil blowing out. How bloody stupid are we to keep buying a HD?
Almost every bike produced in the past 30ish years vents crankcase mist back in to the intake. It’s an epa regulation issue and not a manufacturer issue. My most recent video talks a lot more about external breathers in general
Its our libtard EPA forcing harley to do this. I let mine blow out the back of the bike onto a Toyota Prius.
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Should be rear cylinder, fat fingers.
gotchya
have you seen the new Trask vented g/box cover? I think it will make this redundant.
edit: th-cam.com/video/Nl-TEycciM8/w-d-xo.html
Yes! I’m looking in to installing that as well
I just installed one...........immediately developed an oil leak. after I installed it I road for about 100 miles. Came out the next day and found an oil trail about ten inches long. I thought maybe i pinched the gasket ( because it was so much fun taking it off and on). The oil looked like it was dripping out the exhaust on the left side of the bike. After further investigation, I found it was coming out the CheckM8 filter. Completely gunked up my CVO where it dripped down just under the side cover and went all over the engine bay. I will be reaching out to Trask ( they seem like nice people) maybe they can help me out.
@@fatdrummer65 do you want to do a small vid so we can see whats happening?
@@ihateemael I already put the stock cover back on. I was losing sleep thinking about the leak. I didn't think about making a video. I will check back in after I talk to trask
@@fatdrummer65 did you drop the hot oil level right down? Made a huge difference on my 107.
WHY DOESN'T SOMEONE MAKE A HIGH PERFORMANCE UMBRELLA VALVE ????? of all the wonderful new synthetic rubber type substances available, i can not understand why i can't get an absolutely bichin' pair of umbrella valves for $8 .... ONCE THE CRANKCASE DEVELOPS A VACUUM, ( shortly after stating ), NOT MUCH SHOULD COME OUT!!! ...this is a job for S&S ( please forward to S&S, i am very bussy right now, thank you )
I'm a little lost on what you're wanting to happen. The one way valves at the breathers already exist. They only allow excessive pressure to vent out.
@@RidinDad i am talking aftermarket valves made of a more compliant, yet just as durable, alternate substance ( eg.Viton, Neoprene...something more supple, but i am no expert there. )
i suppose one could alternately examine the substrate, of the casting, that the valves act upon; and address any issues, found there, under a magnifying loupe...
I don’t understand why you are wanting that though? There’s nothing wrong with the valves. Very seldom does one of them fail and they are usually very good. The issue is with the tolerance between the rings and the cylinder walls. That’s what builds up the excess of blow by and causes all of the gunk to exit the breather bolts. So I don’t understand why you are wanting different valves when they are doing their job
@@RidinDad yeah, it's the heat that forces the tolerance... but i am going to try dolling up the umbrella valve seating area, and maybe see if i can fit a little wad of copper choreboy upstream before i mess with an external.
Still don’t understand your issue with the valves. In my opinion they’re doing their job just fine. The issue is before the valves. Blow by, factory tolerances etc.
Enjoying your vids but that intro makes me cringe everytime 😂
Appreciate it. And I love the intro. Had lots of good feedback on it too
500 dollar air cleaners are nuts expensive....
Kinda the average for Harley’s.
Way to wordy!
Just my style man. Appreciate the feedback though
I had a filter for a year and it didn't leak a drop.
Ok? Some bikes have worse blow by then others. Depends on rpm levels, riding style, etc. doesn’t mean the fluid wasn’t there. Just means it got sucked in to the intake instead of fell on the filter
@@RidinDad I put an external breather. I had the catch can for a while and it would expell the fluid from the top vents. Then I used a filter from Amazon. I washed it every three weeks or so when washing my bike. That's why it never leaked. It was on my twin cam 103 and I rode it hard. Going to do the ebs on my new trike after I do the stage 1 in Feb.
Oh you used an external pod filter. I gotchya. I thought you were just volunteering the info that your air filter never leaked. My bad, I understand now!!
@@RidinDad Subscribed!
Thanks man!
Dude.... way too much babbling. A 20 minute video of that makes me want to jump off the building.
Much appreciated! I don’t know what I would do without helpful comments like this from my loyal fans! 😘
And yet you watched all 20 minutes then took time to leave a negative comment…. How sad …🙄
Agreed! Some people just have no class and respect for themselves and they try to make everybody as miserable as they are
Lol really
What’s so funny?
hm .. honda no roblem, ymaxa no problem , kawasaki probem , suzuci no problem .. harlei ... vtf ??? 25 c$ m.f problem kentukki donkeys...
I have absolutely no idea what you’re trying to say here
U must have a second grade education.
If it doesn't leak it isn't a harley.
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I've had three Harleys,done leaked,stupid comment.
I think he meant it in a light hearted way
Everybody and their momma is selling these things,can't somebody come up with an original idea?
What do you mean by in original idea. There are only so many ways to vent the crank case pressure externally of the air filter on these bikes. And as far as external venting in general, it’s not some bad or anything like that. It’s just that more people are becoming educated about what’s actually going on with the venting and what it does to the engine
I recommend watching Kevin Baxter of Baxters garage. He is a true Professional mechanic, not just a parts changer. He explains all of these issues in detail
Thanks for the insight
@@RidinDad anytime,your sarcasm is a waste of time,oh wait somebody else is selling 20$ worth of parts for 180$.
@@RidinDad I just mean that so many people r using 20$ of parts and charging 200 $ for it. Its a shame,when I starting riding,40years ago, most men could fix anything on their bike,its a shame.
Harley sucks .
Needs internals .
Putting 17ym parts on a 2022 bike is criminal , harley has no honor .
My 2022 is shit they can eat they're contract.
What are you saying exactly? What do you mean by 17ym
You talk way to much!
Have your people tell my people. I trust you Subaru ed! Thanks G! Smooches 😚