To be honest, if you look back on it, the show’s had this issue with a few other “similar” events: - In Season 1, that senator currently serving as Homelander’s Puppet King was the victim of the same “trick” Hughie was at the end of this season at the hands of a different shape-shifter, and Stillwell used that to blackmail him. - Also in Season 1, the Deep’s assault by that loony fan was treated more as “karma” for him being a reprehensible predator, and it didn’t seem to affect him in any way. - And finally, there’s Homelander and Stillwell’s relationship back in season 1. The final episode of The Boys: Diabolical HEAVILY implied that their “relationship” didn’t begin as consensual on Homelander’s part and likely began when the latter was under age. Yet Season 1 didn’t treat their relationship as nasty because of THAT particularly disturbing detail but more so because of their “gross” sex life. If anything, speaking PURELY in the context of their “relationship” and none of their actions outside of it, the show seemed to always portray Homelander as being the more toxic one in their dynamic.
How exactly was it not taken seriously? The show starts painting it as horrific nice Hughies cover is blown and is now in real danger when Tek Knight discovers who he is, and they literally had a whole scene afterward of Hughie breaking down in tears about it in front of Annie and she takes him fully seriously.
Im not gonna lie, when A train gave that speech about the kid and ends it with "I didnt hate myself" I got emotional. Bc we saw this character go from a degenerate drug abuser who wouldnt care if he killed someone to an actual person.
The main issue with the show is how so many arcs are dragging along to much. The reason why a lot of the stakes are not the same as in season 1 is because they want more and more episodes. That’s the issue with a lot of shows nowadays they want multiple views at the cost of the story.
True, some arcs were just introduced as a way to waste your time and pad out the runtime. If I could edit out the BS and plotlines that went nowhere, pretty sure you could shave 2h minimum off the entire 8h run, making for shorter, tighter episodes. But in an age where you need each episode to be longer than 50 minutes, that’s sadly not gonna happen.
The first season was just a lot more efficient with the writing. Everyone's character arcs tend to work off of each other. Like Robin's death leads Hughie to Butcher. Then he meets starlight and they bond without revealing too much. This then leads to Butcher using Hughie's familiarity to starlight to get close to the supes which inturn causes Hughie and Annie to fall in love leading to a conflict with Butcher and also becomes the central moral conflict of the season. Then there's the rest of the show where everyone goes on their own arcs with seemingly no effect each other. The boys don't even feel like a team in season 4.
the fact that frenchie got released from prison offscreen bc ‘mallory pulled some strings’ is one of the first times i have ever audibly sighed at the show. like WHY EVEN HAVE HIM IN JAIL IF IT DOES NOT EFFECT THE PLOT?!?? overall i still liked this season a lot, but i fully get why ppl were disappointed.
It’s clear to me that this show wasn’t built for 5 seasons. Many of the plot lines we have are rehashes from previous seasons. A-Train considering turning against vought, or Kimiko and Frenchie, which has been dragging since early season 1, or Homelander being “on the verge of losing it” but somehow being the most passive he’s ever been during this season. It’s all a mess and you can tell that there was a lot of padding during this season that doesn’t contribute to the overall plot in any meaningful way.
Yeah, the ongoing Homelander’s gonna go “ca-razzzzy” tease has LONG since worn out its welcome. I thought the end of episode 3 signified that some real “progress” was gonna be made with that, what with his other selves urging him to go back to the lab and discard his humanity and need for love for good by getting revenge on the monsters who raised him and subjected him to Hell as soon as he came out of the womb. But two episodes after the lab massacre, it seemed like the show tripled down on making him look pathetic; he was intimidated by a pack of powerless rich people whom he only needed his pinky finger to kill and "make an example" out of one of them, and he ended the episode sucking on Firecracker's tits. Ugh 🙄. At this point, I kinda wish one of his other more serious and menacing selves would "take over" and let him become a more intimidating and less pathetic villain.
But like they also gave more backstory to homelander, like how the vought scientists tortured him as a kid & groomed him to need love & approval, now he comes back to torture them, that was pretty good writing in my opinion.
What doesn't make sense to me is how Sister Sage is supposed to be "the smartest supe in the world", yet she apparently doesn't understand that money is power. Instead she just blames her shortcomings on the white man. She apparently came up with a cure for her mom when she was a kid but doctors wouldn't listen to her (probably because she was a kid and not because she was black), so she decides to just forget about that cure out of spite, despite the fact that it could have made her rich. She could have easily invented a bunch of cures, tech, gadgets, and other products, get rich, and make positive changes for the world with limitless cash flow. Instead she chose to put her trust in putting a maniacal egotistical psychopath into power. A guy who could easily rip you to shreds if you hurt his feelings.
Right?! Sister Sage was kinda underdeveloped with majority of this season, and is clearly meant to be a bigger role with S5. I kept wondering why I had nothing to say about Sage, and it’s because she’s a background character for majority of this season. They absolutely could have explored her character shortcomings and layers through the lens you’re offering. Maybe next season?
@@DforDeejay she could have been a lot cooler if they gave her speculative skills like Tek Knight. Instead she just seemed like she didn't know what she was doing and then just shows up at the end saying "Yup, that was allllll me. I knew exactly how this would all play out"
Sage never strikes me as someone who would do what is the most efficient move to a more comfortable life. Her endless intelligence makes her, above all, terribly bored. Idk if we watched the same show, because to me it was glaringly obvious she's in it just for the thrill. As A-Train said, she never knew when to shut up. It's probably the only thing that gives her brain dopamine and her life meaning anymore. Someone who is looking for efficiency and comfort only wouldn't LOBOTOMIZE themselves to finally unwind and have a little fun.
@@spxcex pretty sure I watched the right show, not sure if you did.. I get that she's bored, but I remember her talking about how the white man has wronged her countless times. And if she was so bored, you'd think she'd want to use that big brain of hers to play the game, make lots of money, be able to afford to invent whatever the hell you want, and most of all, have people trust and listen to you?
@@dillydraws I had been pitching from the start once they started being friends that in the end he will run off with Kamiko to france like they talked about, theres no way they planted that seed whenever they did to not actually pay it off imo. Now with the ending to 4? that only seems more obvious to me.
@@Mclovinit8171 Real. Colin was an annoying subplot, not because "Frenchie gay now ew" but because he was just a roadblock to put the Frenchie and Kimiko stuff on paused and made it super confusing. Then he disappeared and just abandoned Annie, someone who he was helping.
Definitely is, when I was watching it I was thinking how it was basically just setting up everything for season 5 to go down in. Just hope that season 5 conclusion isn’t as much of a let down as this season was
The show went from a fun thought experiment on superheroes in the real world to a highly politicalized and patronizing lecture from an overly enthusiastic preacher. The showrunner literally thinks viewers are looking to his gory superhero show for spiritual guidance; he’s said as much.
Was the show not always political satire? The first 3 seasons seemed to make fun of one particular side of the country, but when the next season starts making fun of the other side, now people are mad, unbelievable 🤦♂️
Season 4 felt like it was an entire class smaller in scale than before, including the last episode somehow. Something in the aesthetic makes it look more like standardized network telivision than it did before
this season isint the best but its not the worst either. The thought that kimiko and frenchie deserved better than eachother wouldve worked fine if they played it differently imo. if instead of getting upset they over played their feelings clearly something would be wrong but they keep reiterating that they're fineee, only for their real feelings to be revealed when they talk to annie and hughie seperatly. they're both forgiving and learning to accept their past it would play well with frenchie and kimiko's thoughts. imagine if instead of turning him self in colin in a fit of rage abandoned all his morals found a way to get V (or just as a regular human) kidnapped him tourtured him for what he did. finnally releasing him to join back but instead of the reassuring nature he had before hes quiet like his smart ass attitude is gone completly. when they sit down and talk they both reveal everything and thats when they admit their feelings. i loved every arc every story i just felt colin was a waste of time retconning can work but you cant just say actually nevermind at the last second.
One thing about having to wait so long for the final season: The Boys has become what Star Wars used to be: This big 'Event' we have all been anticipating for a year or more, then we debate how good or bad that event was, followed by another years long wait until the next installment. On Fake Annie 'SAing' Hughie: It goes back to the 'realization' many old fans have had about a certain scene in 'Revenge of the Nerds', where one of the nerds has sex with a woman by pretending to be someone else, still SA, no matter how 'funny' it may seem 😅: th-cam.com/video/g9D3FQlekrM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Fu_gYxsL4yWKJr48
my problem is that there are some characters that are just BEGGING to be developed more. for example, they’ve drawn out the A train development way too long, it feels boring and im just like waiting for them to finally let him be a good person
I think they left him in a good place with the last you see of him - choosing to side with the Boys and ditching Vought. Pretty sure Kripke and co. have greater plans for him in S5, otherwise Homelander would have deleted him in one shot if A-Train stuck around.
@@Lifetime10154 Season 5 is going to take the training wheels off a lot of these characters, mfers are gonna die. Some of your favs on either side will die, its going to be a massacre.
In my opinion, the last 15 or so minutes of the finale saved the season and prevented it from just being mediocre. But that doesn’t change the lingering issues I have with the season as a whole: 1. Trying to “redeem” Neuman was weird. She turned her daughter into a damn cannibal for crying out loud!… Although given that the kid seemed surprisingly okay with eating people’s faces in the first place, are we absolutely sure she wasn’t strangling animals in the yard before she got pumped full of V? Either way, real Mother of the Year material. Also, Neuman’s the reason Homelander wasn’t killed in the Season 3 Finale. She’s the one who ratted out Ryan’s location to his insane father. And was Hughie seriously using the Walter White BS excuse to justify “flipping” Neuman to the others? Ugh. 🙄 A-Train’s redemption worked because he gradually began to develop regret and remorse for his horrible actions over the course of these past few seasons. And when he became the Boys’ mole this season, he performed actions for them that went beyond what was “ordered” of him. Whereas Neuman only started to show “regret” for everything she’d done once Homelander threatened her daughter… which she was somehow blindsided by. A narcissistic all-powerful lunatic eventually resorting to threatening the one person you care about to “keep you in line?” Golly gee! Who could’ve predicted that? She deserved what she got from Butcher. She was resigning from her political position and was weaker than Homelander. Absolutely useless to the team. But Hughie somehow thought they’d resolve the conflict without it ending with Homelander in a coffin, and everything would end up being hugs and puppies and unicorns. 2. Ironically, the much-maligned comics did a better job depicting Butcher making the choice to kill all Supes fully of his own volition and with a clear head. Whereas here we had the Kessler hallucination, which embodied all of Butcher’s dark urges without any of his decency, practically tormenting Butcher and (implicitly) worsening the cancer effects to weaken him further to make him submit. I don’t care what Kripke said after the season ended; Kessler definitely seems to have a will of his own. 3. Deep and New Black Noir, but especially Deep, STILL being alive at the end of the season despite contributing nothing but comic relief. Deep surviving that fight with The Boys in episode 7 was plot armor at its finest, since it expected us to believe that the team was so stupid as to have not previously devised a method of killing Deep if need be. I mean, what are they doing all day at that office? Playing computer games? 4. Frenchie is just an awful person at this point. And a useless character to boot. What he did to Colin was serial-killer level shit that would make Reverse Flash nod and give a thumbs up in approval. If the next season follows the comic ending, at least to an extent,… then I hope Butcher kills Frenchie first. 5. I have no idea why they’re trying to present Firecracker as having “standards” all of a sudden. She violated a child and spews vile bigoted rhetoric all day long; a character like that shouldn’t have any kind of “standards.” She’s almost as vile and disgusting as Homelander in my book, and she should be nothing more than a Hate Sink character. Starlight painting the floor with her blood was very satisfying. And I don’t care if it was the “wrong” thing to do in-universe; MM was a fucking buzzkill for intervening and keeping Starlight from finishing the job. 6. Finally, Hughie was treated like utter dogshit this season. At this point, it’s clear that the writers aren’t making him suffer to drive character development and have him come out on the other side stronger than before. They just like using him as a punching bag!
A good ending alone doesn’t redeem an overall bad season you still have sit through hours of boring filler and the tek knight episode to get there the only genuinely good parts of this season are butcher, a train and homelander everyone else is either mediocre or outright terrible
I agree with everything you said in the video except Frenchie is bisexual. Not gay. The difference does matter given the interactions between him and Kimiko
I will say as much as her plot was flawed, Annies arc was one of my favorite. She was a go lucky character who supposed to be the one fighting home lander and have the most moral, but slowly and progressively you see she isn’t. She is selfish and will do anything it takes to get what she wants if she believes it’s right. Then when she starts realizing her efforts are not enough she turns on people. Being severely depressed you see her slowly untwining to be erratic and angry. After the end of the shape shifter arc she sorta realizes this and makes up with hughie realizing it’s not his fault. I think this season was to show her worst, then redeem herself in the final season, but that’s my take! Good video!!
I feel like the season should’ve brought up Annie’s worst deed of killing that innocent person in season 2. That’s far from the worst thing that’s happened in the show but it’s by far the worst thing Annie has done relatively. I feel like the shape shifter when she was taunting Annie should have brought up that memory instead of her being a bully at 13
Interesting take. I hope it's something like that, cause personally I hated Annie's arc this season. To me it felt like she started as this self-righteous "perfect princess" who always thought she was right in everything she did, then went understanding she's not the saint she pretends to be and realizing that's okay. But by the end of the season, she was back to acting like the self-righteous princess.
4:25 it's not hughie's place to forgive his dad for causing a massacre. The victims family won't. And it's all hughue's fault. I didn't think it was possible for the show to make us hate hughie
Isn't Hughie's mom the one who pumped his dad full of V? He may have brought it with him but she was the one actually did it. And to shift all the blame on one person I think is not a right move to do.
@@spectator492 it is the right move. Hughie brought the V, even after butcher told him not to. He didn't think of the consequences, how he was gonna put everyone in danger. He knew how dangerous V was to the user and the people around him? But he didn't care. He was selfish, and caused the death of multiple innocents.
@@alatusedits he brought the V, but he hesitated, until the mother actually injected it into his dad's body. If anyone was to blame, it should be the mother, not Hughie. It is partially his fault, but his mom should be hold responsible too.
This was definately a bridge season. There is the way of the comics, and the way of the current story. We all know that in the end, Butcher and Homelander must die, its just how they choose to write the ending. How these forces finally end each other. I hope its carefully and articulately done, and that we are all left numb and sad when this series ends.
Excellent video, deserves more views! I like people who can articulate why they do/don’t like something in an entertaining way. Video is well edited too. Easy sub!
At 11:10, you could say the exact same thing about the endings to season 1 and season 3 as well, which I think just points out how this shows’s story threads have been stretched to the max and are now getting exhausting.
"Not a lot of people like Huhgie-" That's a hot take if I've ever heard one, last I checked, some people only continue watching the show specifically because of Hughie
@@DforDeejay people only seemed to start disliking him after his and Annie's fight in season 3 since it kinda 'retconned' part of his character and he came off as a lot more insecure and unlikable Pre-season 3 though, I've honestly never heard anyone actually say they disliked Hughie the most
@@DforDeejay Hughie is us. He also really upped his standing this season, morally and as a stone cold killer if he has to be (Shining Light kill). He is constantly abused in some way, so you feel for him because he's just a dude. Not a supe or trained killer like Butcher or Frenchie. But he keeps mostly positive and forward thinking.
27:20 I do view Kessler as a SOMETIMES necessary evil. And plus with what happened to Ryan at the end of the finale I would say it adds more recent why Neuman got what she deserved because remember in Season 3 Neuman gave Homelander Ryan’s location and that’s how homelander found him and also prevented butcher Soldier Boy, and Maeve from eliminating Homelander once and for all and lead to Ryan being further twisted, given the end of season 4: th-cam.com/video/Heey852asHo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=PvctCLEloKZ8ou0x
3:15 this is the worst part of season 4. She has postpartum depression, yet she stuck around until Hughie had time to form memories of her, THEN she disappears for the entire rest of his life, until crawling back to him as his father is dying. First off, thats not how postpartum depression works, secondly, the billion other things wrong with this interaction. I am 100% not for cutting off your parents because “blood is thicker than water”, but this is in an entire different dimension from that. She is worse than homelander.
Wouldn’t go as far as to compare her to homelander but yeah it’s annoying how the writers try to portray her reasonings for being a deadbeat as being justified and even sympathetic like no? She’s still a coward that ditched her infant and her heartbroken husband to raise a child all alone so she could do whatever
No one cared that Frenchie was gay. It was they decided to throw away 2 seasons of relationship intrigue between him and Kimiko. It was kind of betraying that the majority of the audience was invested in what the creators were throwing out, only for it to be a gatcha for half the season. In the end, Colin didn't matter and was only another obstacle for Frenchie to overcome, even though he had that issue resolved in the last season, but yay! More self-loathing
Really? I saw there was some discourse with Frenchie having a male love interest online. But I do agree with the point about how it felt like a betrayal, especially considering the writers explicitly labelled their relationship as “family” in S3, only for them to go “lol nvm they’re dating now”
@DforDeejay unfortunately, you're right that people had issues with Frenchie being with a guy. Another part of it was that people weren't that attached to Colin as we were about Kimiko but were told to get used to it rather suddenly, and you're right! Only for Erik to be like, "Sike Nah! Lol. Were your expectations subverted?" I didn't care about the ship, but the creators were being extremely wishy washy throughout their entire on-screen relationship. Tbh I kinda like they were each other's support and were like brother and sister. Them being "together" is (probably) gonna cause more issues in S5
Was he gay in the comics because if not then they just did it to keep the gay community or some political left interference whitch is also a possibility
@@alexpowers5117 i honestly don't know about that because I've never read the comics. But I wasn't seeing any discourse about it in social media. But him being bi rarely came up, literally once or twice, and It didn't affect the story at all.
i feel like the Butcher, Homelander trope could get tiring until I started to see it as a Batman\ Joker type of deal. Butcher is a better pawn than dead in homelanders eyes
Frenchies whole romance with that one guy felt so weird. Like we know nothing about this guy and now we're watching an entire subplot of a romance we have zero connection to. It was so boring and unnecessary
So I have faith that the last season will be pretty good. Honestly, I know how the comic ends, and after season 3, I thought the show was going to go its own way. I think the writers knew and used this season as a setup season to realistically get everyone's motivations where they needed to be. While it won't be exact I can now see the show ending similarly to the comic source. I appreciate this season for that
Bro this is by far the best review I've seen. I watched reviews that are either very neagtive(which is desevred) or too postive. I for one, didnt like this season and just proved to me that this show was mediocre to begin with. But i love your take on both the good and bad of ths show. It was very well presented. And while i think your giving the show wayyyy too much creidit. I respect your opinion.
The political side of satire was the worst for me, because I had few points of reference and it was obviously "obvious" for the American audience only. Besides, radicals all behave the same, so it was confusing who they were mocking. Also, today's reality can make it's own show
Great analysis!!! Thee boys is one of my favourite shows, Homelander is my favourite fictional character of all time, but you're right, s4 has some serious issues, even though a lot of it was great!
Had me until you started saying more male and female friendships need to stay platonic NO THE FUCK WE DONT WE NEED GOOD SLOWBURNS WITH CHARACTERS WHO ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER FFS
You just say making fun of conservatives isn’t fun because you say so. Well I personally loved it despite not being american. People like you just ruin fun by complaining that someone who deserves it is being made fun of…
That’s valid, and it was why I set up that segment with me admitting that comedy is subjective, and that the show’s humour was a point of disagreement. Your definition of fun just doesn’t align with mine, and that’s okay! Thanks for watching and still keeping an open mind 🧡
@DforDeejay they definitely spent way too much of the season making jabs at political figures, and how extreme both sides of the political spectrum can be
I’ve agreed with everything for the most part but the part where you mentioned SA not being taken as seriously when a male victim is involved was brought up tbh in contrast with Starlight (of course it’s true but that’s a whole other discussion). Especially since throughout the entire series thus far, Startlights sexual assault was always used a joke against her like majority of the time. Or at least to trigger her on purpose under the guise of just being bully like. It was weird and no one ever took it seriously. Then that scene happened where Hugie was assaulted by Ashley and Tek Knight and people cared (at least fans did? But most of these same people would laugh at Annies trauma and correlate her Trauma to her being useless as a joke too so they here is the line? There’s never been one regardless. Eh.) in general, rape isn’t taken seriously from any victims standpoint. Women are told that they are liars and attention seekers, etc while male victims just get made fun of by other men for “crying about it because they should be lucky, especially if it was an attractive woman.” It’s not a “male victims are not taken as seriously 😵💫-“ thing when it’s just the fact that no one takes sexual assault seriously in general except for the victims and those who’ve had to deal with seeing their loved ones struggle to heal from it happening to them. As far as Frenchie’s subplot is concerned…… I’m not sure if they were going with the flow when writing his story (perhaps writing episodes weekly or if his story had already been filmed and written prior but I remember it being found out that he was an IDF platoon leader in Israel (committing genocide… as a past time, huh) and how that information started coming out about the actor around the same time where they started to make his character arc all self loathing and shit. And they had conveniently written him out of the series for a couple of episodes as well (his character turning himself in to prison) as the series was getting backlash from protesters… I’m just talking but I wonder if that had anything to do with them making him explicitly bi on screen (it’s always been implied that he was bi or at least open to other sexual preferences anyway, but we’ve never seen him with a man up until S4) and almost fragile like to lessen the damage? Eh, I’m not explaining myself well. But that was just something I’d noticed for sure. It made me feel even weirder about his character as well and the motivations behind writing him this way in particular for season 4, especially when his character used to me so much more fun.
I think the mistreatment of Annie was compounded with how the audience have been treating Erin Moriarty throughout this season - meme-ing on her plastic surgery - which is really disheartening. As for Frenchie, I’m well-aware that Tomer served in the IDF, but I don’t think the backlash was the reason he was written out. Because by that logic, no Israeli actor in Hollywood should get any roles/we would see a mass deletion of characters played by Israeli actors in all media. Unless the writers/producers prove me wrong on this - which is more than welcome! - my personal theory is still that he was just unavailable for the film schedule so they wrote him out. Does it have something to do with the war? Or could it just be he fell sick or something? Who knows 🤷♂️ Thanks for your input!
References to the right woud become old, at least, when they become actually satirical for now it's just mirror holding, there is no satire, if homelander existed right would've made him their hero. For anyone curious look up what their media was saying on jan6 when they thought they woud win their insurrection. intresting thing homelander's fans that are killed by sups are a references to proud boys and oathtakers that with trumps staff and him planned to storm the capitol, stashed bombs and guns and were thrown under the bus by trump afterwards.
It never fails to irritate/amuse me when the MAGA morons don’t get the point of the show. But besides that, I dunno, I’ve never been fond of the overt Homelander-Trump parallels that the show presents. Mostly because I feel it dampens the originality, uniqueness, and complexity of Homelander’s character. And also because there’s some major differences between the two that I have trouble looking past: 1. I’m not gonna mince words here: Trump is very fucking stupid, and he always has been. Jimmy Kimmel put it very accurately by, right before his first indictment, describing him as the “dumbest criminal in the world.” Whereas Homelander is actually quite often cunning and smart, what with coming up with “creatively” heinous ways to cause pain to others, running that whole “super-terrorist creation” scheme behind the scenes in season 1, and even ultimately getting one over on Edgar and ousting him from Vought. To simplify it further, while Trump more matches someone like Joffrey from Game of Thrones, being malicious AND stupid, Homelander more matches someone like Ramsey Bolton, genuinely smart and cunning but having the tendency to let sadistic impulses and personal desires drown out said intelligence. 2. Homelander grew up in a living hell as a lab rat. Tortured, isolated from society, no family or love at all, suffering from depression before he became a teenager, developing another personality to cope with the abuse. And as heavily implied in the final episode of The Boys: Diabolical, Stillwell sexually assaulted him when he was underage to make him more docile. With that in mind, one of the glaring flaws of Season 1 was not making it clear that their “relationship” did not start out as consensual on Homelander’s part in the slightest. And in hindsight, him finally killing her in the season finale was one of the few things you could side with Homelander on; he likely had a LOT of subconscious resentment toward her built up over the decades. On the other hand, Trump was a silver-spoon rich kid who was his sociopathic daddy’s favored child and bullied his older brother into alcoholism and an early grave. By all accounts, he was a nasty bully even as a kid. Just saying, vastly different backgrounds would produce different beasts. 3. And lastly, Homelander does show concern and care for his son in his own twisted way, best seen when he attacked Soldier Boy for hurting him. Whereas I can honestly see someone like Trump using his idiot sons as human shields against attacks.
weird note but i love being able to pick out the soundtracks when I've played the same game as the dude making the essay. idk it made me pause and go 🫵 hades enjoyer but in any case tbf. i honestly agree with everything. the writers were *super* heavy handed, and im not sure if i want to interpret that as them saying "no yall don't get it, so we're going to wave it in front of your face"? or if it's something else entirely. idk maybe im just coping
@@DforDeejay I respect the top part about criticism, but she hulk cmon man?!!? They ruined daredevil and her only power was twerking and beating strong male leads, absolute pinnacle of the woke MSheU. And what’s what’s ruining marvel.
@@KybersCrystalCan you get any other valid criticism besides it being “woke”? I understand but I'm kinda of tired that term being thrown around like it's a bad word or something, I hate how media twist a word that has good intentions into something else, just refer it as pandering.
@@KybersCrystal I already watched those movies, but what does that have to do with anything? I agree, the Hulk is a terrible show, not because it's “woke” or whatever, but because it has crappy writing and terrible CGI. You probably don't even know the actual definition of woke.
thank you for bringing up hughie and the SA, i was so confused and uncomfortable with how it was done and not taken seriously 😭
Glad to know I’m not alone in feeling this way!
tbh I think he deserved it, everything bad that happens with hughie and butcher is deserved considering their dumb actions in Season 3
To be honest, if you look back on it, the show’s had this issue with a few other “similar” events:
- In Season 1, that senator currently serving as Homelander’s Puppet King was the victim of the same “trick” Hughie was at the end of this season at the hands of a different shape-shifter, and Stillwell used that to blackmail him.
- Also in Season 1, the Deep’s assault by that loony fan was treated more as “karma” for him being a reprehensible predator, and it didn’t seem to affect him in any way.
- And finally, there’s Homelander and Stillwell’s relationship back in season 1. The final episode of The Boys: Diabolical HEAVILY implied that their “relationship” didn’t begin as consensual on Homelander’s part and likely began when the latter was under age. Yet Season 1 didn’t treat their relationship as nasty because of THAT particularly disturbing detail but more so because of their “gross” sex life. If anything, speaking PURELY in the context of their “relationship” and none of their actions outside of it, the show seemed to always portray Homelander as being the more toxic one in their dynamic.
@@alatuseditsget help dude, if you think anyone deserves sa you’re a horrible person
How exactly was it not taken seriously? The show starts painting it as horrific nice Hughies cover is blown and is now in real danger when Tek Knight discovers who he is, and they literally had a whole scene afterward of Hughie breaking down in tears about it in front of Annie and she takes him fully seriously.
Im not gonna lie, when A train gave that speech about the kid and ends it with "I didnt hate myself" I got emotional. Bc we saw this character go from a degenerate drug abuser who wouldnt care if he killed someone to an actual person.
He’s always been an actual person, but he became a good person
The main issue with the show is how so many arcs are dragging along to much. The reason why a lot of the stakes are not the same as in season 1 is because they want more and more episodes. That’s the issue with a lot of shows nowadays they want multiple views at the cost of the story.
True, some arcs were just introduced as a way to waste your time and pad out the runtime. If I could edit out the BS and plotlines that went nowhere, pretty sure you could shave 2h minimum off the entire 8h run, making for shorter, tighter episodes. But in an age where you need each episode to be longer than 50 minutes, that’s sadly not gonna happen.
Damn now im not so mad ab Ted Lasso wrapping up in 3 seasons
@@DforDeejay damn yaw want less? 😭😭 wtf
The first season was just a lot more efficient with the writing. Everyone's character arcs tend to work off of each other. Like Robin's death leads Hughie to Butcher. Then he meets starlight and they bond without revealing too much. This then leads to Butcher using Hughie's familiarity to starlight to get close to the supes which inturn causes Hughie and Annie to fall in love leading to a conflict with Butcher and also becomes the central moral conflict of the season.
Then there's the rest of the show where everyone goes on their own arcs with seemingly no effect each other. The boys don't even feel like a team in season 4.
Right? It's become too much and add to the fact that a mid spinoff is needed to understand the full story is stupid as hell.
the fact that frenchie got released from prison offscreen bc ‘mallory pulled some strings’ is one of the first times i have ever audibly sighed at the show. like WHY EVEN HAVE HIM IN JAIL IF IT DOES NOT EFFECT THE PLOT?!??
overall i still liked this season a lot, but i fully get why ppl were disappointed.
Hughie deserved better this season
It’s clear to me that this show wasn’t built for 5 seasons. Many of the plot lines we have are rehashes from previous seasons. A-Train considering turning against vought, or Kimiko and Frenchie, which has been dragging since early season 1, or Homelander being “on the verge of losing it” but somehow being the most passive he’s ever been during this season. It’s all a mess and you can tell that there was a lot of padding during this season that doesn’t contribute to the overall plot in any meaningful way.
Yeah, the ongoing Homelander’s gonna go “ca-razzzzy” tease has LONG since worn out its welcome. I thought the end of episode 3 signified that some real “progress” was gonna be made with that, what with his other selves urging him to go back to the lab and discard his humanity and need for love for good by getting revenge on the monsters who raised him and subjected him to Hell as soon as he came out of the womb.
But two episodes after the lab massacre, it seemed like the show tripled down on making him look pathetic; he was intimidated by a pack of powerless rich people whom he only needed his pinky finger to kill and "make an example" out of one of them, and he ended the episode sucking on Firecracker's tits. Ugh 🙄. At this point, I kinda wish one of his other more serious and menacing selves would "take over" and let him become a more intimidating and less pathetic villain.
But like they also gave more backstory to homelander, like how the vought scientists tortured him as a kid & groomed him to need love & approval, now he comes back to torture them, that was pretty good writing in my opinion.
There's SO MUCH to like about this show, and then there's the other stuff.
You make a really good point about the humor. I knew something was different but I couldn’t figure out what. You nailed it
What doesn't make sense to me is how Sister Sage is supposed to be "the smartest supe in the world", yet she apparently doesn't understand that money is power. Instead she just blames her shortcomings on the white man.
She apparently came up with a cure for her mom when she was a kid but doctors wouldn't listen to her (probably because she was a kid and not because she was black), so she decides to just forget about that cure out of spite, despite the fact that it could have made her rich.
She could have easily invented a bunch of cures, tech, gadgets, and other products, get rich, and make positive changes for the world with limitless cash flow. Instead she chose to put her trust in putting a maniacal egotistical psychopath into power. A guy who could easily rip you to shreds if you hurt his feelings.
Right?! Sister Sage was kinda underdeveloped with majority of this season, and is clearly meant to be a bigger role with S5. I kept wondering why I had nothing to say about Sage, and it’s because she’s a background character for majority of this season.
They absolutely could have explored her character shortcomings and layers through the lens you’re offering. Maybe next season?
@@DforDeejay she could have been a lot cooler if they gave her speculative skills like Tek Knight. Instead she just seemed like she didn't know what she was doing and then just shows up at the end saying "Yup, that was allllll me. I knew exactly how this would all play out"
Sage never strikes me as someone who would do what is the most efficient move to a more comfortable life. Her endless intelligence makes her, above all, terribly bored. Idk if we watched the same show, because to me it was glaringly obvious she's in it just for the thrill. As A-Train said, she never knew when to shut up. It's probably the only thing that gives her brain dopamine and her life meaning anymore. Someone who is looking for efficiency and comfort only wouldn't LOBOTOMIZE themselves to finally unwind and have a little fun.
The worst part is that she’s predictable.
@@spxcex pretty sure I watched the right show, not sure if you did.. I get that she's bored, but I remember her talking about how the white man has wronged her countless times. And if she was so bored, you'd think she'd want to use that big brain of hers to play the game, make lots of money, be able to afford to invent whatever the hell you want, and most of all, have people trust and listen to you?
Btw Frenchie is bi. Not gay, one thing a lot of people didn't understand.
Bi, homo, and lesbian all mean gay. So calling frenchie gay isnt incorrect. Only if you say homosexual
@@victorlinares4137quit being stupid. When we say gay we're talking about dude on dude only
@@dillydraws I had been pitching from the start once they started being friends that in the end he will run off with Kamiko to france like they talked about, theres no way they planted that seed whenever they did to not actually pay it off imo. Now with the ending to 4? that only seems more obvious to me.
@@Mclovinit8171 Real. Colin was an annoying subplot, not because "Frenchie gay now ew" but because he was just a roadblock to put the Frenchie and Kimiko stuff on paused and made it super confusing. Then he disappeared and just abandoned Annie, someone who he was helping.
This entire season felt like filler
yeah, it felt like the season was built around the conclusion
Definitely is, when I was watching it I was thinking how it was basically just setting up everything for season 5 to go down in. Just hope that season 5 conclusion isn’t as much of a let down as this season was
The show went from a fun thought experiment on superheroes in the real world to a highly politicalized and patronizing lecture from an overly enthusiastic preacher. The showrunner literally thinks viewers are looking to his gory superhero show for spiritual guidance; he’s said as much.
You just summarised my 7000+ word essay into a paragraph 😆 thanks for watching!
Has he?
Was the show not always political satire? The first 3 seasons seemed to make fun of one particular side of the country, but when the next season starts making fun of the other side, now people are mad, unbelievable 🤦♂️
@@TheIronSaiyan You're yapping or what? It has always made fun of Republicans AND Democrats
@@samueloak1600 That's what I said. Not spiritual guidance, just satire
Season 4 felt like it was an entire class smaller in scale than before, including the last episode somehow. Something in the aesthetic makes it look more like standardized network telivision than it did before
So few views for how good the video is😢
Thank you for watching! 🧡
Twice as many views as subscribers is insanely commendable though, homie is going places!
@@nickymonah I just got lucky with this video. Thanks tho!
It's a new channel
@@moxiemaxie3543 🤣 you jocking, right? The oldest videou is from 7 years...
this season isint the best but its not the worst either. The thought that kimiko and frenchie deserved better than eachother wouldve worked fine if they played it differently imo. if instead of getting upset they over played their feelings clearly something would be wrong but they keep reiterating that they're fineee, only for their real feelings to be revealed when they talk to annie and hughie seperatly. they're both forgiving and learning to accept their past it would play well with frenchie and kimiko's thoughts. imagine if instead of turning him self in colin in a fit of rage abandoned all his morals found a way to get V (or just as a regular human) kidnapped him tourtured him for what he did. finnally releasing him to join back but instead of the reassuring nature he had before hes quiet like his smart ass attitude is gone completly. when they sit down and talk they both reveal everything and thats when they admit their feelings. i loved every arc every story i just felt colin was a waste of time retconning can work but you cant just say actually nevermind at the last second.
Not bad! I can totally see how this would play out, but I think they just needed an excuse to write Frenchie out of half the season.
One thing about having to wait so long for the final season: The Boys has become what Star Wars used to be: This big 'Event' we have all been anticipating for a year or more, then we debate how good or bad that event was, followed by another years long wait until the next installment.
On Fake Annie 'SAing' Hughie: It goes back to the 'realization' many old fans have had about a certain scene in 'Revenge of the Nerds', where one of the nerds has sex with a woman by pretending to be someone else, still SA, no matter how 'funny' it may seem 😅: th-cam.com/video/g9D3FQlekrM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Fu_gYxsL4yWKJr48
Oh no. I have become one of THEM.
my problem is that there are some characters that are just BEGGING to be developed more. for example, they’ve drawn out the A train development way too long, it feels boring and im just like waiting for them to finally let him be a good person
I think they left him in a good place with the last you see of him - choosing to side with the Boys and ditching Vought. Pretty sure Kripke and co. have greater plans for him in S5, otherwise Homelander would have deleted him in one shot if A-Train stuck around.
@@mirandahynes4991 Frenchie's was way more pointless and drawn out than A Train's scenes imo
@@jaynguyen1573 totally yes i felt like they just were looking for an excuse to not write for his character which i dont understand
@@DforDeejay true, i just re-watched the whole thing and i think the binge watch made it feel more drawn out
Not gonna lie this season was borderline mediocre. Worried for the 5th season.
S5 better be packed with more action and hopefully 10 episodes long, or possibly a 2 hour finale episode would be cool to.
@@Lifetime10154 Season 5 is going to take the training wheels off a lot of these characters, mfers are gonna die. Some of your favs on either side will die, its going to be a massacre.
@@Mclovinit8171 That’s what i’m hoping for.
Just off the title alone. Yes everyone agreed that the season was beyond mediocre 80% of the time and then they locked in for the last 2 episodes
In my opinion, the last 15 or so minutes of the finale saved the season and prevented it from just being mediocre. But that doesn’t change the lingering issues I have with the season as a whole:
1. Trying to “redeem” Neuman was weird. She turned her daughter into a damn cannibal for crying out loud!… Although given that the kid seemed surprisingly okay with eating people’s faces in the first place, are we absolutely sure she wasn’t strangling animals in the yard before she got pumped full of V? Either way, real Mother of the Year material. Also, Neuman’s the reason Homelander wasn’t killed in the Season 3 Finale. She’s the one who ratted out Ryan’s location to his insane father. And was Hughie seriously using the Walter White BS excuse to justify “flipping” Neuman to the others? Ugh. 🙄 A-Train’s redemption worked because he gradually began to develop regret and remorse for his horrible actions over the course of these past few seasons. And when he became the Boys’ mole this season, he performed actions for them that went beyond what was “ordered” of him. Whereas Neuman only started to show “regret” for everything she’d done once Homelander threatened her daughter… which she was somehow blindsided by. A narcissistic all-powerful lunatic eventually resorting to threatening the one person you care about to “keep you in line?” Golly gee! Who could’ve predicted that? She deserved what she got from Butcher. She was resigning from her political position and was weaker than Homelander. Absolutely useless to the team. But Hughie somehow thought they’d resolve the conflict without it ending with Homelander in a coffin, and everything would end up being hugs and puppies and unicorns.
2. Ironically, the much-maligned comics did a better job depicting Butcher making the choice to kill all Supes fully of his own volition and with a clear head. Whereas here we had the Kessler hallucination, which embodied all of Butcher’s dark urges without any of his decency, practically tormenting Butcher and (implicitly) worsening the cancer effects to weaken him further to make him submit. I don’t care what Kripke said after the season ended; Kessler definitely seems to have a will of his own.
3. Deep and New Black Noir, but especially Deep, STILL being alive at the end of the season despite contributing nothing but comic relief. Deep surviving that fight with The Boys in episode 7 was plot armor at its finest, since it expected us to believe that the team was so stupid as to have not previously devised a method of killing Deep if need be. I mean, what are they doing all day at that office? Playing computer games?
4. Frenchie is just an awful person at this point. And a useless character to boot. What he did to Colin was serial-killer level shit that would make Reverse Flash nod and give a thumbs up in approval. If the next season follows the comic ending, at least to an extent,… then I hope Butcher kills Frenchie first.
5. I have no idea why they’re trying to present Firecracker as having “standards” all of a sudden. She violated a child and spews vile bigoted rhetoric all day long; a character like that shouldn’t have any kind of “standards.” She’s almost as vile and disgusting as Homelander in my book, and she should be nothing more than a Hate Sink character. Starlight painting the floor with her blood was very satisfying. And I don’t care if it was the “wrong” thing to do in-universe; MM was a fucking buzzkill for intervening and keeping Starlight from finishing the job.
6. Finally, Hughie was treated like utter dogshit this season. At this point, it’s clear that the writers aren’t making him suffer to drive character development and have him come out on the other side stronger than before. They just like using him as a punching bag!
Nah its still mediocre
A good ending alone doesn’t redeem an overall bad season you still have sit through hours of boring filler and the tek knight episode to get there the only genuinely good parts of this season are butcher, a train and homelander everyone else is either mediocre or outright terrible
Whaat?🤨 That was the worst part of the season. Effing dick supe coming in and f the boys, weird as heck of an ending.
Also you talk too much
I agree with everything you said in the video except Frenchie is bisexual. Not gay. The difference does matter given the interactions between him and Kimiko
I will say as much as her plot was flawed, Annies arc was one of my favorite. She was a go lucky character who supposed to be the one fighting home lander and have the most moral, but slowly and progressively you see she isn’t. She is selfish and will do anything it takes to get what she wants if she believes it’s right. Then when she starts realizing her efforts are not enough she turns on people. Being severely depressed you see her slowly untwining to be erratic and angry. After the end of the shape shifter arc she sorta realizes this and makes up with hughie realizing it’s not his fault. I think this season was to show her worst, then redeem herself in the final season, but that’s my take! Good video!!
The scenes with Firecracker do support your take. You might be onto something! 🧡
I feel like the season should’ve brought up Annie’s worst deed of killing that innocent person in season 2. That’s far from the worst thing that’s happened in the show but it’s by far the worst thing Annie has done relatively. I feel like the shape shifter when she was taunting Annie should have brought up that memory instead of her being a bully at 13
Interesting take. I hope it's something like that, cause personally I hated Annie's arc this season.
To me it felt like she started as this self-righteous "perfect princess" who always thought she was right in everything she did, then went understanding she's not the saint she pretends to be and realizing that's okay. But by the end of the season, she was back to acting like the self-righteous princess.
@@seadee2834 she didn’t get humbled enough
4:25 it's not hughie's place to forgive his dad for causing a massacre. The victims family won't. And it's all hughue's fault. I didn't think it was possible for the show to make us hate hughie
Isn't Hughie's mom the one who pumped his dad full of V? He may have brought it with him but she was the one actually did it. And to shift all the blame on one person I think is not a right move to do.
@@spectator492 it is the right move. Hughie brought the V, even after butcher told him not to. He didn't think of the consequences, how he was gonna put everyone in danger. He knew how dangerous V was to the user and the people around him? But he didn't care.
He was selfish, and caused the death of multiple innocents.
@@alatusedits he brought the V, but he hesitated, until the mother actually injected it into his dad's body. If anyone was to blame, it should be the mother, not Hughie. It is partially his fault, but his mom should be hold responsible too.
@@spectator492 his mother didn't know the dangers of compound V, but hughie did. So hughie still carries most of the blame
In my opinion the frenchie and kimiko backstory and trauma in season 4 should have been in season 3
I liked A-trains arc. However, other than that I don’t really have much of season 4 that I really remember or can think about
This was definately a bridge season. There is the way of the comics, and the way of the current story. We all know that in the end, Butcher and Homelander must die, its just how they choose to write the ending. How these forces finally end each other. I hope its carefully and articulately done, and that we are all left numb and sad when this series ends.
I definitely see that, but there are absolutely better ways to write a bridge season. I just hope S5 knows how to write a satisfying conclusion.
@@DforDeejay I hope they dont GOT it
i fw this heavy
Excellent video, deserves more views! I like people who can articulate why they do/don’t like something in an entertaining way. Video is well edited too. Easy sub!
Appreciate it! 🧡
At 11:10, you could say the exact same thing about the endings to season 1 and season 3 as well, which I think just points out how this shows’s story threads have been stretched to the max and are now getting exhausting.
"Not a lot of people like Huhgie-"
That's a hot take if I've ever heard one, last I checked, some people only continue watching the show specifically because of Hughie
Really? I usually see people liking Hughie the least; I personally took a while to come around to him myself!
lol where’d you check? With your friends? 😭😭
@@DforDeejay people only seemed to start disliking him after his and Annie's fight in season 3 since it kinda 'retconned' part of his character and he came off as a lot more insecure and unlikable
Pre-season 3 though, I've honestly never heard anyone actually say they disliked Hughie the most
@@DforDeejay Hughie is us. He also really upped his standing this season, morally and as a stone cold killer if he has to be (Shining Light kill). He is constantly abused in some way, so you feel for him because he's just a dude. Not a supe or trained killer like Butcher or Frenchie. But he keeps mostly positive and forward thinking.
27:20 I do view Kessler as a SOMETIMES necessary evil. And plus with what happened to Ryan at the end of the finale I would say it adds more recent why Neuman got what she deserved because remember in Season 3 Neuman gave Homelander Ryan’s location and that’s how homelander found him and also prevented butcher Soldier Boy, and Maeve from eliminating Homelander once and for all and lead to Ryan being further twisted, given the end of season 4:
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I just saw his sub count he should have so much more
Nice honest review of this fourth season of The Boys. You are talking straight facts in this video especially at 17:30
3:15 this is the worst part of season 4. She has postpartum depression, yet she stuck around until Hughie had time to form memories of her, THEN she disappears for the entire rest of his life, until crawling back to him as his father is dying. First off, thats not how postpartum depression works, secondly, the billion other things wrong with this interaction. I am 100% not for cutting off your parents because “blood is thicker than water”, but this is in an entire different dimension from that. She is worse than homelander.
Wouldn’t go as far as to compare her to homelander but yeah it’s annoying how the writers try to portray her reasonings for being a deadbeat as being justified and even sympathetic like no? She’s still a coward that ditched her infant and her heartbroken husband to raise a child all alone so she could do whatever
I am holding out hope for the last season only because I believe the dip in quality for S4 was due to the writer's strike.
No one cared that Frenchie was gay. It was they decided to throw away 2 seasons of relationship intrigue between him and Kimiko. It was kind of betraying that the majority of the audience was invested in what the creators were throwing out, only for it to be a gatcha for half the season. In the end, Colin didn't matter and was only another obstacle for Frenchie to overcome, even though he had that issue resolved in the last season, but yay! More self-loathing
Really? I saw there was some discourse with Frenchie having a male love interest online. But I do agree with the point about how it felt like a betrayal, especially considering the writers explicitly labelled their relationship as “family” in S3, only for them to go “lol nvm they’re dating now”
@DforDeejay unfortunately, you're right that people had issues with Frenchie being with a guy. Another part of it was that people weren't that attached to Colin as we were about Kimiko but were told to get used to it rather suddenly, and you're right! Only for Erik to be like, "Sike Nah! Lol. Were your expectations subverted?" I didn't care about the ship, but the creators were being extremely wishy washy throughout their entire on-screen relationship. Tbh I kinda like they were each other's support and were like brother and sister. Them being "together" is (probably) gonna cause more issues in S5
Was he gay in the comics because if not then they just did it to keep the gay community or some political left interference whitch is also a possibility
@@alexpowers5117 i honestly don't know about that because I've never read the comics. But I wasn't seeing any discourse about it in social media. But him being bi rarely came up, literally once or twice, and It didn't affect the story at all.
@@aaroncarroll2417 reminds me when they for no reason made a Star Trek character gay just because the actor who portrayed him years ago was gay
Fantastic analysis dude! I have almost no notes and you make some great points!
Thank you! 🧡
7:59 I at first thought u said his insecuritie is he is asian
LMAO 😂
i feel like the Butcher, Homelander trope could get tiring until I started to see it as a Batman\ Joker type of deal. Butcher is a better pawn than dead in homelanders eyes
Frenchies whole romance with that one guy felt so weird. Like we know nothing about this guy and now we're watching an entire subplot of a romance we have zero connection to. It was so boring and unnecessary
just subbed ! Awesome video 😊
Happy to have you! Hope the rest of my videos are worth your time 🧡
I agree definitely the weakest season, but if they can stick the landing w the final season it’ll be a great run overall.
I hope so too. Thanks! 🧡
So I have faith that the last season will be pretty good. Honestly, I know how the comic ends, and after season 3, I thought the show was going to go its own way. I think the writers knew and used this season as a setup season to realistically get everyone's motivations where they needed to be. While it won't be exact I can now see the show ending similarly to the comic source. I appreciate this season for that
24:25 this part took me out😂
I wanted to have at least one reference to the iconic meme, which was my biggest priority with the writing.
Subbed, fantastic vid and your channel deserves attention! 👍
Greatly appreciate the sub! And thanks for watching 🧡
I AGREE KIMIKO AND FRENCHIE SHOULDVE STAYED PLATONIC
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27:23 I wish that didn’t happen
Bro this is by far the best review I've seen. I watched reviews that are either very neagtive(which is desevred) or too postive. I for one, didnt like this season and just proved to me that this show was mediocre to begin with. But i love your take on both the good and bad of ths show. It was very well presented. And while i think your giving the show wayyyy too much creidit. I respect your opinion.
I appreciate it! I try not to be too critical of media, because I want my commentary to be more constructive. 🧡
@@DforDeejay I appreciate Good constructive feedback like this. You are a very smart in the way you analyze media.
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The political side of satire was the worst for me, because I had few points of reference and it was obviously "obvious" for the American audience only. Besides, radicals all behave the same, so it was confusing who they were mocking. Also, today's reality can make it's own show
It was obvious who they're mocking 😂
Hughie is the main character not butcher
Series 1 was amazing. Shame about the rest.
Season 3 was the best
Great analysis!!! Thee boys is one of my favourite shows, Homelander is my favourite fictional character of all time, but you're right, s4 has some serious issues, even though a lot of it was great!
The Boys is one of my favourites too! I think that’s why S4’s shortcomings hit harder, because I KNOW they can write better than this.
Had me until you started saying more male and female friendships need to stay platonic NO THE FUCK WE DONT WE NEED GOOD SLOWBURNS WITH CHARACTERS WHO ACTUALLY CARE ABOUT EACH OTHER FFS
This vid fucks 🎉
The boys after S1 was going rotten with the writing, S4 was absolute ass
You just say making fun of conservatives isn’t fun because you say so. Well I personally loved it despite not being american.
People like you just ruin fun by complaining that someone who deserves it is being made fun of…
That’s valid, and it was why I set up that segment with me admitting that comedy is subjective, and that the show’s humour was a point of disagreement.
Your definition of fun just doesn’t align with mine, and that’s okay! Thanks for watching and still keeping an open mind 🧡
@DforDeejay they definitely spent way too much of the season making jabs at political figures, and how extreme both sides of the political spectrum can be
Homelanders narcissism perfectly aligns with leftists
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i genuinely enjoyed every season of this show idc
Glad that you enjoyed it!
maybe im jaded but the hugie sa dont botther me i geet he could be treated better but this iss the norm for dudes and it wint change any time soon
I’ve agreed with everything for the most part but the part where you mentioned SA not being taken as seriously when a male victim is involved was brought up tbh in contrast with Starlight (of course it’s true but that’s a whole other discussion). Especially since throughout the entire series thus far, Startlights sexual assault was always used a joke against her like majority of the time. Or at least to trigger her on purpose under the guise of just being bully like. It was weird and no one ever took it seriously. Then that scene happened where Hugie was assaulted by Ashley and Tek Knight and people cared (at least fans did? But most of these same people would laugh at Annies trauma and correlate her Trauma to her being useless as a joke too so they here is the line? There’s never been one regardless. Eh.) in general, rape isn’t taken seriously from any victims standpoint. Women are told that they are liars and attention seekers, etc while male victims just get made fun of by other men for “crying about it because they should be lucky, especially if it was an attractive woman.” It’s not a “male victims are not taken as seriously 😵💫-“ thing when it’s just the fact that no one takes sexual assault seriously in general except for the victims and those who’ve had to deal with seeing their loved ones struggle to heal from it happening to them.
As far as Frenchie’s subplot is concerned…… I’m not sure if they were going with the flow when writing his story (perhaps writing episodes weekly or if his story had already been filmed and written prior but I remember it being found out that he was an IDF platoon leader in Israel (committing genocide… as a past time, huh) and how that information started coming out about the actor around the same time where they started to make his character arc all self loathing and shit. And they had conveniently written him out of the series for a couple of episodes as well (his character turning himself in to prison) as the series was getting backlash from protesters… I’m just talking but I wonder if that had anything to do with them making him explicitly bi on screen (it’s always been implied that he was bi or at least open to other sexual preferences anyway, but we’ve never seen him with a man up until S4) and almost fragile like to lessen the damage? Eh, I’m not explaining myself well. But that was just something I’d noticed for sure. It made me feel even weirder about his character as well and the motivations behind writing him this way in particular for season 4, especially when his character used to me so much more fun.
I think the mistreatment of Annie was compounded with how the audience have been treating Erin Moriarty throughout this season - meme-ing on her plastic surgery - which is really disheartening.
As for Frenchie, I’m well-aware that Tomer served in the IDF, but I don’t think the backlash was the reason he was written out. Because by that logic, no Israeli actor in Hollywood should get any roles/we would see a mass deletion of characters played by Israeli actors in all media. Unless the writers/producers prove me wrong on this - which is more than welcome! - my personal theory is still that he was just unavailable for the film schedule so they wrote him out. Does it have something to do with the war? Or could it just be he fell sick or something? Who knows 🤷♂️
Thanks for your input!
References to the right woud become old, at least, when they become actually satirical for now it's just mirror holding, there is no satire, if homelander existed right would've made him their hero. For anyone curious look up what their media was saying on jan6 when they thought they woud win their insurrection. intresting thing homelander's fans that are killed by sups are a references to proud boys and oathtakers that with trumps staff and him planned to storm the capitol, stashed bombs and guns and were thrown under the bus by trump afterwards.
It never fails to irritate/amuse me when the MAGA morons don’t get the point of the show. But besides that, I dunno, I’ve never been fond of the overt Homelander-Trump parallels that the show presents. Mostly because I feel it dampens the originality, uniqueness, and complexity of Homelander’s character. And also because there’s some major differences between the two that I have trouble looking past:
1. I’m not gonna mince words here: Trump is very fucking stupid, and he always has been. Jimmy Kimmel put it very accurately by, right before his first indictment, describing him as the “dumbest criminal in the world.” Whereas Homelander is actually quite often cunning and smart, what with coming up with “creatively” heinous ways to cause pain to others, running that whole “super-terrorist creation” scheme behind the scenes in season 1, and even ultimately getting one over on Edgar and ousting him from Vought. To simplify it further, while Trump more matches someone like Joffrey from Game of Thrones, being malicious AND stupid, Homelander more matches someone like Ramsey Bolton, genuinely smart and cunning but having the tendency to let sadistic impulses and personal desires drown out said intelligence.
2. Homelander grew up in a living hell as a lab rat. Tortured, isolated from society, no family or love at all, suffering from depression before he became a teenager, developing another personality to cope with the abuse. And as heavily implied in the final episode of The Boys: Diabolical, Stillwell sexually assaulted him when he was underage to make him more docile. With that in mind, one of the glaring flaws of Season 1 was not making it clear that their “relationship” did not start out as consensual on Homelander’s part in the slightest. And in hindsight, him finally killing her in the season finale was one of the few things you could side with Homelander on; he likely had a LOT of subconscious resentment toward her built up over the decades. On the other hand, Trump was a silver-spoon rich kid who was his sociopathic daddy’s favored child and bullied his older brother into alcoholism and an early grave. By all accounts, he was a nasty bully even as a kid. Just saying, vastly different backgrounds would produce different beasts.
3. And lastly, Homelander does show concern and care for his son in his own twisted way, best seen when he attacked Soldier Boy for hurting him. Whereas I can honestly see someone like Trump using his idiot sons as human shields against attacks.
why does bro keep saying "objectively" lmao
Objectively fun word to say 😜 thanks for watching!
If you can’t understand why Annie would be upset with Huey then I believe you lack some form of media literacy.
Damn, it’s over for me 💀
weird note but i love being able to pick out the soundtracks when I've played the same game as the dude making the essay. idk it made me pause and go 🫵 hades enjoyer
but in any case tbf. i honestly agree with everything. the writers were *super* heavy handed, and im not sure if i want to interpret that as them saying "no yall don't get it, so we're going to wave it in front of your face"? or if it's something else entirely. idk maybe im just coping
Gay and terrible show. Definitely a whack representation of TDS.
How so? Trump is insane and yet mediocre whyte trash worship him
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Thanks for giving it a watch anyway! 🧡
Everything could always be better, don’t shit on the boys when marvel is pumping out crap like the Marvels, Agatha All along and she hulk.
True, but just because the Boys is doing better, it isn’t immune to some criticism. Also I think Agatha and She-Hulk are fine
@@DforDeejay I respect the top part about criticism, but she hulk cmon man?!!? They ruined daredevil and her only power was twerking and beating strong male leads, absolute pinnacle of the woke MSheU. And what’s what’s ruining marvel.
@@KybersCrystalCan you get any other valid criticism besides it being “woke”? I understand but I'm kinda of tired that term being thrown around like it's a bad word or something, I hate how media twist a word that has good intentions into something else, just refer it as pandering.
@@ravene9978 okay, go and watch Iron man, or captain America, then watch she hulk afterwards or something, then come back to this comment section
@@KybersCrystal I already watched those movies, but what does that have to do with anything? I agree, the Hulk is a terrible show, not because it's “woke” or whatever, but because it has crappy writing and terrible CGI.
You probably don't even know the actual definition of woke.
It could've also been worse
Why are y'all always so negative
Oh right, because that gets clicks
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