Exactly. if Brad wanted to do it. he would've had the passion, and could've really put some effort into it! but he didn't give two fucks, so he couldn't give the film the quality it deserved. and also theres the fact he's probably shit at doing sequels due to well... he's never cared for sequels. he's a one-time story guy...
lmfao fuck off, Brad Bird is an adult, he is one of the most famous directors working rn and most beloved, the studio can't force him to do anything, if he made a film it's because he wanted to make a film and this one just turned out bad
Funny. When I went to see this in theaters I hadn't rewatched the first movie in years, and right from the getgo I had issues with this movie. One of the big ones being that super heroes were illegal again. I was like "I thought that was dealt with in the first movie."
Dave Lee Down Under went as far as to call Incredibles 2 a “PERFECT SEQUEL” so he could rate it higher than another Brad Bird film that he should’ve praised a LOT more (Ratatouille) which is why one of the video’s top comments is about Ratatouille being a very underrated movie (while people look for much more good things to say about Incredibles 2 instead). But you know, outside of that minor (I say “minor” because to give Dave Lee’s opinion on Ratatouille credit where credit is due, at least he went sort of easy on it, I guess) dick move, I highly appreciate the rest of the list (but if it were updated to the 2020s, another Pixar film that deserves to be ranked low on the list, (nearly up to the ranks of Cars 2, in fact,) would have to be Toy Story 4.
I liked the movie, but I will not deny the flaws in the plot. My biggest gripe was the weak villain's motivations and plan. The first one will always be better IMO.
The dad should also have probably had a phone in the panic room he was supposed to be going to, rather than calling immediately and hoping some supers would get there before he got murdered. She should be blaming a lack of forethought and reasoning on the part of her dad rather than superheroes. She ended up being just as backwards in her results as her dad though seeing as she made the heroes look great by constantly making threats for them to squash, I think it would have been much more interesting as a plot twist that screenslaver was still the sister but rather than being evil and vengeful it was literally all for the sake of advertising. She just wanted the venture to get some good opening PR, i'm not sure how the fuck it would get resolved in an interesting way but chuck in some good bits about public opinion and how it affects stuff and you'd at least have something still probably not great but potentially better than what we got.
@@not_cicero Imagine if supers didn't exist. Wluld you think Evelyn would try to go against the police force because her dad was a huge dumbass who wanted to call the authorities than go into the panic room? Why didn't he put the phones in the panic room?
@@not_cicero Also if you were some bipolar nerd to idolized one of the most well known supers. Trained countless hours, and waste all your time building high tech items, and got rejected for being their sidekick...eh..you would be mad too?
@@BK-ku1zt It's especially strange considering that Gazorbeam and Fironic don't have superspeed, so even if they picked up, they probably couldn't have helped in time.
I agreeeee! And it's so obvious that they chose to pick up right at the end of the last movie so that they could (a) show the Underminer fight which fans have wanted to see for years, and (b) capitalise on Jack Jack's cuteness and his shenanigans. A movie where the characters are older and living in a world where superheros are legal would have been way better.
Yeah it's been 14 years my hopes where high then I saw the trailers and saw that no time has passed despite the fact that I got older I got pissed and didn't see it because I'm cheap I'll probably watch it on Netflix through.
How to fail a sequel: Step one: Reset everything back to square one with the heros set worst off than before just so they can do it again. Seriously, every bad sequel does this.
@@thunderbird1921 so true! I was so disappointed with Toy Story 4 and apparently the voice actor of Buzz cried about the ending, so I was expecting a really emotional ending like the last three films, but everything was so disappointing from the beginning to end. I'm just grateful I did enjoy some bits.
@@celestfinity3770 I HATED TS4. It completely destroyed Buzz's character development, made Woody a joke, made Bo a MASSIVE jerk and weakened Jessie for the sake of making Bo and Dolly look "strong". What a slap in the face to these characters (especially Buzz and Jessie). I refuse to consider that ending canon.
@@thunderbird1921 I felt that Bo was apparently woman superiority or something like that, but I felt like it was shoved in my throat by force. I really loved Bo because the little scenes she was in was enough for me to like her. Every character development just disappeared and we went back to Buzz acting like the first movie maybe even worse, Jessie insecure just like the second movie and every character i loved just vanished. Heck! None of the original characters were memorable in the TS4
Thank you SO MUCH for talking about how they did Elastagirl dirty. Her main character trait was she was the power house keeping everyone together. She gave up being a superhero so she could focus on her family. In this movie she just leaves? Also isn't "HAHAHA MEN DON'T KNOW HOW TO TAKE CARE OF A HOUSE!!" just... I dunno, dated and not funny?
But I thought the idea of that is that Bob doesn’t have much experience as a stay at home parent as he was usually the one who was always out working or doing other stuff. I don’t think they were trying to make a sexist joke but your opinion
@@bengilhooly3616 that’s exactly what it was it was development for Bob not knowing how to be a family man compared to always being incredible by himself that’s the dynamic they focused in however everyone here interprets that as a reset of characters when their only wanting to see what they want to instead of what the directors are going for I just watched it again and I see the direction and enjoyed it
@@camdoesitall Here's the thing, the 1st film's own montage shows Bob alone with Dash. The first film already implied that he knew how to take care of his own kids before the second. Y'all just take what's shown in the second film as a given without ever going back to the first.
@@bengilhooly3616Like I told the other guy, not the case when the previous film, even if it is for a brief moment, during the montage, shows Bob alone with Dash, that already implies that he CAN take care of his kids on his own, whether or not y'all personally think that was or wasn't enough to be such an implication, that's a personal issue, but not something that can justify what the second film has done to Bob's character. And yeah, whether y'all like it or not, majority of people here are in agreement that we're tired of seeing this trope of the father being incompetent at taking care of his own children, regardless if it's played for laughs or is of a serious tone, and regardless of the "in story" reasons y'all could try to pull from in order to explain this , "in universe". 200 thumbs up, that ain't a small number.
OH. MY. GOD. THIS MAN AND I ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. Finally, someone. I wrote an entire essay last semester about the decline of Pixar over the last decade.
Disney in general has been in decline the last 10 years or so, apart from Marvel. Wreck It Ralph was the only truly GREAT story I felt, Inside Out was nice too though. Sadly however, they have been a big exception.
@@thunderbird1921 they don't care about putting effort into their movies anymore, they know they can safely live off of nostalgia so they don't have to try anymore
Yeah Pixar pretty much sucks when creating surprise villains. Heck, Ig Hero 6, I guessed the villain right the second he showed up on screen, long before he even showed up in costume for the first time.
underminer takes the money to a drug leader to get his daughter free but as he gave his money to the drug leader the drugleader bring out his daughter soon he looks at her and see's she is died
pretty sure he was yeah, or some kind of representation of the arguing and sadness that the family fought their way through amongst themselves? he's at war with peace and happiness after all. Or both. Or nothing. But regardless of intended meaning it was funny, quirky and fitting within the established universe.
underminer is a joke villain the line about peace and happiness was a joke line to build him up as a over the top villain for the parr family to beat up complaining about him robbing a bank is a (gasp) nitpick. it’s not like robbing a bank doesn’t destroy peace and happiness. he blows up a bunch of buildings too. honestly just a really lousy complaint. i have no idea what nitpix expected from this villain.
The fact that they used this joke villain that was supposed to show the family unit was complete and ready to kick ass at the end of the first film, as an actual villain is embarrassing. When I saw that no time had passed, I knew the sequel would be shit. They couldn't write the characters as older, with new problems, or they just couldn't be bothered trying. Either way that's Hollywood these days.
@@thadmaster7 To you maybe, it has a lot of issues with it that drop it from a 7/10 to like a 4.5-5/10 for me. I can understand why people like it but I really understand why some didn't like it haha.
Incredibles 2 is great. Not as a final product, but everything outside of the movie itself (except for the trailers, they are a representation of the movie itself).
Honestly I liked it. But this guy is entirely right. It wasn't memorable like the first one. And it's the reality of the first one that made me like it and I always felt a little separated from this one. The family wasn't really real, which made it not really memorable. I'm upset to say that he's entirely right about the negative review. Definitely earned most grossing film of all time though, because the first was good enough to warrant everyone on the planet running blindly into the trap.
It wasn’t even 15 years!! They changed it last second to come out a year early so they can work more on toy story 4! So it was 14 years and they ruined a wonderful joke.
@@Stew91 in the 1st movie, Violet was shy and awkward around her crush (forgot his name). At the end of the movie, she got her self confidence and was cool about the guy asking her out. Then the 2nd movie came and that confidence of hers suddenly disappeared. Why was she shy and awkward around the guy when in the 1st movie, she was cool and calm? The animation is gorgeous though
One of the reasons why the siblings in the original were so well received was because they were played smart. Initially, we're led to believe Dash will be the focus so when the plane scene comes around, we're left shocked to see Violet's getting the spotlight. And then their bond is allowed to mature through the jungle chase scene. In this movie, Violet's getting the focus solely on her with Dash being completely pointless. Maybe if Violet's arc was at least somehow interesting to watch... but it's just teen angst.
@@virusINJUSTICE Violet has had self confidence in the second movie. What she was frustrated about, was the fact that after gaining so much courage to finally talk to a boy, he ignores her. Then she becomes even more devastated, when she find out about the memory wiping. Violet's also shown to mature in the sequel, when she uses her shield to protect everyone on the boat at the end. That's character development.
You hit EXACTLY the feelings and problems throughout this unorganized mess of a sequel. The twist was completely cheap, unearned, and overall predictable, unlike the first movie. Every character not only felt off to me, but just completely pointless (that except Elastic girl who was suddenly the most important character). Instead of the dynamic family we saw overcoming challenges in the first movie, we get whatever the hell the second was, which just made me sad, because I saw this coming a mile away, as much as I didn't want to.
What killed this movie for me was how the family seems to have forgotten that Jack-Jack has powers and how it was treated as a major revelation. There's no way they didn't see him very clearly wailing on Syndrome! My idea for the movie was a lot different. Because of the gap between it and the original, I thought about aging the characters up between that gap. Violet would be married and possibly expecting her first child, Dash would be up in college (and absolutely loving it), and Jack-Jack would be in Middle School and the overall plot of it would be centered on Bob and Helen coming to grips with the fact that the nest is emptying especially with the fact that they're going to be grandparents.
And to be honest, I thought it had been settled at the end of the first movie that supers were legal again. And I too thought the Parrs saw Jack Jack's powers in the first movie.
They didn't see Jack-Jack's powers, because he and Syndrome were too far away. They could only tell that Syndrome was having some difficulties during his flight to his ship. But yeah, I agree, the ending of the first film implied that supers would eventually become legal again. Why make a whole movie about it and have the events of the first film have no influence on that decision whatsoever?
@@TiagoMonteiroArt no they all saw Syndrome and Jack Jack well enough! So much so that Mr Incredible was able to throw Elastic Girl up to precisely the point in the sky where Jack Jack had fallen to make the perfect catch.
@@mr.safensound4238 but if you watch the clip, Helen says she can't see whats going on, she only reacts when she sees him fall. None of them ever mention he has superpowers or that he turned into a monster or was on fire. She and Bob were wondering what was going on up there because Syndrome was having issues and was concerned about Jack Jacks safety. Mr Incredible even says he didn't wanna hurt Jack Jack, but not once mentions his powers.
@@GavinsBazaar313 so which way do you want it? She can't see what's going on? Or she SEES him fall? The creators think she did see him fall.. And they DO know the baby has powers, just no idea what kind! It's made into a joke when Helen visited Edna. The baby supersuit itself is all the proof you need: [after seeing Jack-Jack's superhero outfit] Helen : What on earth do you think the baby will be doing? Edna : Well, I am sure I don't know, darling. Luck favors the prepared.
but done worse, i can rewatch incredibles1 any day of the week but i wont sit through this one after the first time watching it unless its in scenes from my favorite bits on youtube
*The Incredibles score* Animation: 9.5 (Incredible) Story: 10 (Masterpiece) Characters: 10 (Masterpiece) *10/10 (Masterpiece)* *Incredibles 2 score* Animation: 5.5 (Great... maybe even too much so that it actually gives the animation shortcomings, like, because it’s made by 2010s Pixar, it’s more focused on boasting what they could do with the technology of today’s CGI in many ways like how incredibly detailed the rendering of the movie is to the point where it just gets annoying because of how fresh it is compared to the movie itself) Story: 0.5 (Unbearable) Characters: 2.5 (Terrible... though I did like Frozone and Edna Mode for feeling more like the original The Incredibles than everything else in the movie) *3/10 (Disappointment)*
Pixar sequels always do that, except for the Toy Story sequels. In Cars 2, Mater was the protagonist instead of McQueen, in Monsters University, Mike was the protagonist instead of Sulley, and in Finding Dory, Dory was the protagonist instead of Marlin.
I cannot express how dissapointing this film was, but definitely the thing I found the most rediculous was the fact that the whole universe forgot that a literal genocide had taken place in the first movie. Like lmao! Ok! Guess we'll just ignore all those dead superheroes. I don't even know if there was a single reference. Wouldn't they be getting emotional seeing all the new-age supers, and realizing that they've lost essentially all of their old friends? Like explained in the video, there was generally just a ton of stuff (plot, character development, setting, etc) that was incredibly important to the original that was very much ignored in the second. I do not believe that this was the movie Brad originally planned on making, and that it was possibly altered by Pixar or Disney's agenda (especially when it comes to marketing and toys). At least, I hope so. You can see glimmers of a better movie within some of the scenes and storyboards that were cut, at least.
I agree!!!! I was waiting for Bob or Helen to talk about how the heroes the old guy went to call during the home invasion were killed by Syndrome in the first movie! Like, they couldn't help because they were dead...
Brad Bird said they would NOT make a sequel unless they had a good story to tell..... And then the sequel is just the first one all over again only Helen and Bob's roles are reversed, the villain is weaker, the characters are more static, and the plot of the first one is completely disregarded because supers become illegal AGAIN... I was disappointed. My expectations for this movie were very high because of what Brad Bird said. I like Monster's University more than this POS movie xD
My same opinion exactly. Of all the things they've could've gone with the story, they chose the least interesting and most cliche route. The end of the first film allowed for a sequel, but was still a blank slate. They could've have done anything, and we got mediocrity. I also agree with you about Monster's University, because at least that film knew to have new themes, new character arcs, and not repeat the the first movie's plot. It's such a shame that Incredibles 2 is so bland and average
I'll never understand why they didn't age up the characters. It would've been so cool to see Violet going to college, Dash in high school, and Jack Jack in elementary/ middle school? (don't know how old he is) and it could've been about the parents trying to adjust with their kids growing up/becoming independent or something
Which is why Incredibles 3, at that rate, sounds like a better idea than ever (or so we originally though as much of a great idea as before the trailers for Incredibles 2 were revealed).
@ Yes, in fact the pulled the release date a year forward just so they could do this. If it was giving another year, the story probably would have been significantly better. It's really annoying that NitPix has never addressed this in his video.
NitPix, you're out here doing the lord's work. I didn't love the first Incredibles movie because of flashy superpowers. I didn't love the first Incredibles movie because of Jack Jack doing a fart. I didn't even love the first Incredibles movie because of Edna Mode being funny. I loved the first Incredibles because of its vision of a superhero world that simultaneously parodied/commented on comic-books and also felt extremely realistic and down-to-earth. I loved the first Incredibles movie because the film wasn't flashy - things weren't driven by spectacle or humor or crowd-pleasing, they were driven by characters. I loved the first Incredibles movie because those characters felt like real, mature, extremely dimensional people - not like Saturday Morning Cartoon heroes. Incredibles 2's characters don't just feel like they're from a Saturday Morning Cartoon - the entire movie itself feels like a cartoon. It's so disappointing to see such an interesting universe regressed to a story this simplistic and by-the-books. The first movie wasn't necessarily a film made just for adults, but it sure wasn't made just for kids either. The sequel definitely was.
@@uhoh6706 It is a cash grab because minimal effort was put on the script, which you can tell because everything's about is is rushed. They just knew incre 2 would sell BECAUSE fans asked for it.
@@uhoh6706 Uh, that's exactly what makes something a cash grab lol. You know you're going to get money either way so you minimize your expenses. This film is not a labor of love and was rushed out the door because they knew people were hungry for a sequel.
I came out of the movie feeling unsatisfied, but not entirely understanding why, but you explained my issues with the movie perfectly. Upon watching it a second time I would venture to say that it is a fun movie overall. The main flaw lies in that it is a sequel. If it had been a new superhero movie with original characters, I may have enjoyed it more. However, the first movie is just so flawless that the sequel feels disconnected from the ideas of its predecessor. The sequel is pretty to look at, but that's basically its whole identity: pretty. It lacks the substance and social commentary that the first conveys so eloquently and instead becomes a superfluous money grab, which is just so disappointing.
Sequels can be good, even better than the original. There can never be a perfect movie, it can be close but there will always be something wrong with it in some way or another. But a perfect sequel can exist, as it has only a set amount of things to accomplish. It just so happens most sequels are made for money, not from passion.
@@JG_Wentworth I agree that there can be amazing sequels, but they are few and far between. This movie in particular just fails to meet so many expectations established by the first movie unfortunately. I feel like I just keep getting my hopes up with all of these recent Disney sequels, excited to return to some especially well-crafted worlds, but they keep disappointing me. Maybe I should just have lower expectations, who knows
@@cassie6645 Some of the major stipulations for a perfect sequel is that it needs to expand on the previous movie in a meaningful way, it needs to have a message relating to the previous movie, it needs to make sense within the universe, and it needs to accurately represent the characters from the previous movie with or without a time gap between the two films. This movie did none of those things, in fact it did the exact opposite of most if not all of those things. You do not need to lower your expectations if your expectations are the bare minimum of a decent script, which these kinds of movies can't even fucking achieve. Doesn't matter how much money the movie gets thrown at it, if it can't achieve the bare minimum of *sub decent* writing, something major is wrong.
Same. Can't believe I let myself get hyped up for it. I rarely like to do it because I know it will leave me disappointed... I was let down the minute they started rehashing the same plot, except with less beautiful exotic island scenery, exciting action scenes, touching character development. Pretty much the same as the first movie but everything is predictable, the action is locked into generic cityscapes and cramped hallways, soundtrack is mellowed down so it barely has any of the character and OOMPH it had in the first, it's just like they took the same movie and desaturated half the reason it was enjoyable. Only things they kept were that family dynamic humour, also the textures and animation were smoother, which was nice. But otherwise, a bit of a letdown. My recommendation to alleviate that feeling of disappointment and boredom is to go and watch Into The Spider-Verse. It was phenomenal, I'm still in shock that it came out of the same place that made The Emoji Movie.
Yep. And what makes it worse is that the marketing and even the clip at the beginning of the movie with all the actors in it kept touting that, "You've waited fifteen years for this--enjoy!" Fifteen years for a straight superhero film as a sequel to something that mocked superhero movies--hell, the thing that finally pushed me over the edge was that Evelyn *started monologuing* when she had Elastigirl on a platter and she wouldn't shut up about how inevitable her defeat was, how feeble superheroes were compared to her, how the world would get back on its feet... ...I was like, "Wait, is this a joke? Evelyn's kidding, right? She'll snark about how she had that speech prepared beforehand and ask Helen how she liked it, right?"
@@eatatjoes6751 What I hated about Evelyn was that she barely did anything at all as the villain and her capturing elasticgirl was boring because all she did was talk. There was so much potential for this movie but bird didn't even use the natural elements to a pixar movie
Um, you and I aren't looking at the same online places then; this is like the 12th video I've seen about the movie in the last three months, and the first few were recommended to me despite not watching or searching about anything related to the movie.
This is the second lengthy video I've seen that just bashes the hell out of Incredibles 2. I mean, is it great? No. Is it bad? Again, no. The problem is that it's serviceable when the first one was exceptional.
A good waste of 2 hours and 5 minutes. Screen Slaver/Evelyn is a copy paste of any Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain (who the first movie tongue-in-cheek mocks). I'm sure she had actual lines, but all I heard was "Waaaaah waaaaaah. A loved one of mine was tangentially killed by superheroes, so I will naturally hate ALL superheroes, and manufacture situations where only superheroes could do anything. Also, some shit about game shows. Waaaaah." To be fair, Syndrome wasn't any less of a crybaby, and his origin seems like you've seen it before (although, in my travels, I haven't encountered a comic character with an origin like his yet. But, I'm sure they're out there.) But, Syndrome had a charisma and a presence about him. Which is impressive considering he looks like a thumb. The best parts of the movie were easily the parts where Bob is raising the kids. Scenes like "I don't KNOW that way" and the dealing with Violet's break-up(? Even though I was annoyed with Violet acting like old Violet again). Incredibles should feel like a family drama/comedy story first and a superhero movie second. It was too straight-forward, with very little of the superheroing paralleling real life, mundane stuff. Like Helen thinking Bob is cheating because he's off doing superhero stuff. If anything, the superhero parts hurt this movie by making it a "I Can't Believe It's NOT Marvel" story. I would like to actually meet these people who think Incredibles 2 > Incredibles. They must've been blackout drunk when they watched the first one.
Syndrome had at least a deeper desire to let people's obsessions with supers destroy supers completely, and not with a big world destructive ray or anything, but simple captilism and over saturation.
You're right, Syndrome's motivation isn't any more compelling but he is charasmatic therefore it's okay and the movie is therefore better. Good argument. Qualify your opinion better.
Incredibles 2 starts with the team & Frozone trying to stop a large unstoppable machine. The movie ends with the team & Frozone trying to stop an unstoppable machinr
i was a huge fan of the incredibles as a kid so of course i was hyped when i first heard there was gonna be a sequel, but i became extremely apprehensive when it was revealed to take place immediately after the end of the first movie. so apprehensive that i didnt bother watching in theaters and waited for reviews, which turned me off to the movie almost entirely. i finally caved last month and watched it on a plane ride for free and ill just say my skepticism was justified. the whole time i was watching it i was looking for things to like, but ultimately its just..... not that good. im glad i didnt pay money to see it.
i watched it on one of those cheap website because i didnt care for the video quality and... welll... i usually see that in the afternoon, theres like 3d ninja turtles and madagascar penguins tv shows... if i dont watch those, i wouldn't watch the incrredibles 2 either.
I've been waiting so long for someone to finally say it. No, it's not just lesser than the sequel, it's a middling to bad movie on its own. It's very clear that they had a different story in mind, one about reality TV and the commodification of Hero/Villain dynamics, but they just couldn't quite get it right so they decided to scrap it. Then Disney said, "No, you're doing a sequel," so they just recycled the plot of the last movie. If you're interested in speculating on what the original version would've been, there are a few deleted scenes for this movie (hand-drawn, never fully animated) that are available on TH-cam. You've got one scene where a half-snake guy is auditioning to be a hero and is so desperate to not be perceived as a freak that he ends up attacking Winston, and you've got another scene showing how Elastagirl is too efficient at fighting petty crime, which sets up the need for a character like Screenslaver. It seems to me like they were setting up a story where Winston was one of the antagonists and it would be a meta-commentary on superhero films and the exploitation of sterotypes by the media.
There's also a eulogy held for all the heroes killed by Syndrome and that was the best deleted scene for me. It had that adult maturity that the first film did and was poignant and respectful. Too bad they didn't include. I mean not all the deleted scenes worked. Like Dash and Violet stopping a petty crime at the restaurant. I don't like the implication that Violet had to strip down to her birthday suit for her invisibility to be seamless and then, it gets a bit too ridiculous that the scene would get that crazy (Dash even stops a runaway car on his own) yet the kids still return back to normal by the time Bob finishes changing Jack Jack's diaper.
@WillFanofMany The only difference is that what they came up with instead is utter shit while Zootopia's current plot is still creative and fun to watch.
Anyone else find it weird how they just kind of skip over the time gap thing in terms of technology. Like its meant to be just after the first film chronologically and even in that film the technology seems a little more 1960s than 2000s. Then in the second film they just have modern technology with no explanation or reference. Just struck me as really...weird and lazy.
The first movie had a combination of both. Do you seriously think the car mr. Incredible drove in the first movie actually existed in the 60's? The only aesthetically looked like something from the 60's but had technology from old spy movies mixed with modern technology.
Keep in mind the Pixar universe is filled with superpowers, AI, animate objects, mad scientists and time traveling monsters. It's not that much of a stretch lol
I feel like the only reason they made Elastigirl the main hero in this movie was because her powers allowed them more freedom for creative and visually stunning set pieces that Mr Incredible's powers could not.
@@mrbubbles6468 Haha planning... well let's see then. In the Elastigirl set piece I mentioned, she uses her arms to casually swing through the city like Spiderman, which would require incredible arm strength to do. She also demonstrates this strength when using just her legs to pull the other half of her motorbike to her. Yet when she is trying to catch a simple pizza boy, she is tossing and turning as if it were an even match. The pizza boy even breaks free from here grasp at one point... how could she swing through the city with here own hands if she cant even hold on to a pizza boy. This doesnt show planning, this just shows that they had a few set pieces in mind and also had a few beats to hit in order for it to be a super hero movie, so they just tossed these scenes in for the sake of filling a formula without actually thinking about it.
I'll be honest with you. I watched this movie purely for jack jack. I wasn't expecting much from the story itself (though I hoped that I would be mistaken), because I had realized that it would be a poor version of the first one. So on that note I wasn't disappointed: I went without any expectations, so my expectations were never betrayed. And jack jack was super cute and awesome and his powers were incredible.
Toy story 4 didn't need to happen, toy story 3 had a conclusion that was satisfying and felt finished. Toy story 4 is going to be a main character pointlessly dieing just because they wanna be sad and a bunch of padding. I want Pixar to prove me wrong but I doubt it
Tell them! I personally have a few reasons why I don't want TS4 but I've got a feeling that manipulation of the audience's emotions is something that will happen.
I wasn’t sure I was going to like this video because I thought the Incredibles 2 was amazing. I was wrong, you nailed it. I still enjoyed the movie but you are right about it.
This sucks compared the OG film. Saw it a few days ago. If I saw it in theatre I would've walked out after the villain reveal. Elastigirl looked more THICC than ever though...👍
I wish I could like this video twice. Honestly the more I think about all the ways this movie let us down, the more I'm insulted that the makers had the gall to present this product to us.
Finally, someone who agrees with me. When I war hed the first 20 minutes I was like "well... This is boring..." But I pushed through it. And I hated it. And no one agreed with me until now.
So, one of my biggest gripes with the movie was the twist reveal for Evelyn. Her goals and reasoning are messed up. What did she want? To make supers illegal. Why did she want this? Because her father put trust in supers and it got both him and his wife murdered. 1) Supers were already illegal at the start of the movie. The finale against the giant robot didn't automatically make them legal, and the opening sequence with the Underminer only set them back. 2) The backstory with the father calling the supers for help during a break in is stupid. By that time, supers were already illegal and he would know that. Plus, even if they weren't, there's no way they'd be able to get there in time. God knows how far away they could be from the house. Not to mention, Evelyn is blaming supers for something her father did. Alright, let's fix this. And we can do it with only a few tweaks to the story. Firstly, let's change Winston and Evelyn from siblings to a married couple. This will make sense later. Secondly, have the entire Incredible family included in the hero scene. There could be a montage of them taking on small crimes, maybe have them work alongside the authorities to show that they're cooperative. We can even have them team up with the new supers to help with publicity. This way the characters all have something to do during the film instead of 3/4 them mostly just sitting around. Thirdly, have like two to three action set pieces where the Incredible family comes together to stop some city wide threat. The screenslaver is also one of the villains and claims he orchestrated the other disasters. Fourthly, there are going to be a few scenes where one of the Incredibles overhears Winston and Evelyn talking about someone. That this person isn't ready to be seen by the public. And finally, the twist reveal. However, it plays out a little differently. Helen still pieces together that the screenslaver was a bogus villain and Evelyn subdues her. But now, both Evelyn and Winston are working together. She reveals that all of the incidents were staged and that the villains they arrested were actually actors they hired. Helen asks why go to such lengths and Evelyn calls for someone to step forward. It's a little girl, no older than five, and she has purple skin, horns and a tail. Evelyn reveals that everything was for her's and Winston's daughter. She wants a world where her daughter can play with other children out in the open and not be hidden away. Evelyn asks what Helen would do for her children, what she would do if it was her child? Helen's at a loss for words. She agrees with what Evelyn is trying to accomplish but not her methods. Should she remain silent and let everything unfold, or should she speak out and stop the Deavors? It all leaves a nasty taste in her mouth. And that's all I really got for now. Couldn't think of a climax to this. Maybe someone else has an idea?
It's definitely forgettable, but there will always be movies that is even less worth rememberance. *cough cough* The Wild Life, The Nut Job duology, The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Illumination Entertainment films (except for DM1&2 and The Grinch, the Crest Animation Productions franchises (if only), modern Adam Sandler films and much more like Hotel Transylvania 3 and Blended, old live-action anime movies like Dragonball Evolution and The Last Airbender (but excluding Speed Racer), Suicide Squad, and the list goes on. If you don't mind even some of the films, then more power to you. We just see no reason why people even defend any (if not all) of these films.
@@kieranstark7213 I don't agree with you on Frozen because I love that movie but hey 2 each there own. But I can agree with you on everything else. Secret Life of Pets anybody?
When they said that there was a sequel 14 years later I assumed it'd be Mr. and Mrs. Incredible dealing with being older but still trying to perform as super heros, and their kids doing their own things. and maybe by the end, they can accept that they've done the good that they needed to, and it's time to pass the torch to the younger generation. Oh hey that's a better plot than the incredibles 2. Disney I'll be waiting for the call.
@@veronikavartanova4044 Like was said in the video at that point violent or dish would be around the age to spit out some new humans so we stuff it with scenes of their offspring
Incredibles was part of my son's childhood, and my partner and I put quite a bit of effort into finding great media we could all share. We talked about Incredibles and ideas it raised about superheroes, and about families. So I knew there were lots of great stories to tell, we had imagined lots of them! So I was excited when I heard there was a sequel. Seeing it made me sad, and angry. Watching the review, I see that I haven't retained anything about it at all.
Yup, especially now that superhero movies are at a peak. When the first Incredibles movie came out, Batman Begins and Iron Man 1 wasn't even released yet. Essentially, Incredibles was the first big hit after a long hiatus of superhero movies (well Blade was a comic book character, but not the traditional "superhero" archetype, so it's more like a graphic novel).
DaSkinThief, yeah, as though Coco did not have one that was completely absurd and btw, the Underminer would be a terrible villain. He’s just the typical bad guy "I want to get money".
Yeah the underminer had alot of potential to be syndrome's replacement and here are the reasons. 1-he had his own game as a villain. 2-his the one character in the Incredibles saga voiced by John ratzinberger. 3-he appeared in spin-offs like computer games and the boom studios comics. 4-his merchandise for I2 sold way more than screenslaver!
Joey Jerry well the video game released for the ps2 after the first movie had a very diff type of underminer and that was more interesting than sjw supes bad screens bad sloppy villain
I know i am late for this, but i think that Incridibles 2 should have been a story centered around Violet and Dash. The first Incredibles focused more on the parents relationships, it would make more sense to me storywise that the second story would be about the kids. Kinda like a coming of age story. Edit: wow thanks guys. If anyone is interested, I have a video in my channel about this. Its not that good, but its my thoughts on this movie.
Yes, I was thinking the same thing too like the government wants to disect the kids because they're "dangerous" and the parents are getting older and are worried about if they can protect their kids. What are the consequences if they keep fighting crime. The kids are captured, Jack Jack saves them with incredibly funny fight scenes etc. The kids realize they can fight crime and be treated like normal people. Everyone sees them as the next generation of supers. Like they're so much wasted potienal...
I think it would be interesting if Jack Jack grew into a villain. Perhaps being able to do anything and being basically Unstoppable and in more control of these powers as he ages, makes him get some kind of God complex. I mean he seems like a threat that really would require all of them working together. Just an idea, perhaps there could be a lot of heartbreak and drama for having to go against their own family.
Mate I love how you use music from 2Pac, Damon Albarn, Daft Punk or Radiohead. It's so neat and it works with the emotions you want to share. Don't know if someone has pointed it out, but mate that's great
I fell like Incredibles 2 was rushed... It is clear that so much effort and thought was put into the original Incredibles, so to see Incredibles 2 not only repeat basically the same themes but worse, but to also throw out half the rules made in the first film (such as charter design), is simply hear wrenching. One particular nit pick of mine (amoung the usual stuff people talk about, and what I think is a good summary of the rule breaking), is the visual "style". In the original movie, the whole thing was a parody of classic super heros, criticizing how idealized and incosequential cartoon superheros were. The character design was complex and deep, each character had flaws, and was a complex individual. The visual design of the characters (and world) also refected this. While there were some things (like the Incredible mobile and syndromes rocket/robot), they stretch what you would believe, but still felt real enough, and even fit in with the movies timeframe. In this movie we have tiny screens that can fit into goggles, a hydrofoil yacht, and a FREAKING MAGLEV, which are all even somewhat of a stretch TODAY (if the movie was set in the modern world, I would be fine with this, but this is still in the 1960's or whatever year (I don't remember the exact year))! This discontinuity also extends to the characters. All the characters in the previous movie were all designed as humans. At the most a character might have a ridiculous hairdo or a funky outfit (or in Edna's case dwarfism), but they were all real enough to reflect the idea that these people are humans who all have to lead private lives to lead at the end of the day. Now in this movie, helen is now the classic cartoon literal hourglass, violet has stick figure legs, and we even have A FREAKING OWL!!!!!. HOW THE HELL IS OWL GUY SUPPOSED TO LEAD A LIFE WHEN HE IS A FREAKING SENTIENT OWL?!?!?! THE WHOLE POINT OF THE FIRST MOVIE WAS TO ESTABLISH SUPER HEROS AS AVERAGE HUMANS. Even the powers used by the super heros are extreme. Even going through the list of heros only mentioned in the first movie, no one has truly extreme powers, and they all have their limits. Bob has to physically train to regain his superstength. The park family still has these limitations, yet now we have a guy who can crush stuff with his mind, a lady who can make Portal, and a guy who puked literal lava. There is no restriction on how BS and extreme people's powers can be... This sequel undermines everything the original was trying to criticize and parody. It has no point, and this sequal is now just a normal superhero movie, the same thing the original movie clearly established it wasn't.
@@Jdudec367 He's saying the film was rushed from the beginning of production to the end of production. Not since the first movie came out. Don't be stupid.
I kinda agree, even though I liked the movie, but I have to say something: Helen returning to being a hero is not the same thing as Bob being a hero in the first movie. Bob was more like a workaholic dad that is too busy reliving his days of glory through his job, Helen is more like a full time mom re ingressing into the job market after more than a decade of ONLY taking care of her children. She likes being a mom, of course, but she is finally getting a break, spending time again with adults, having fun and destressing. The time Bob spent with the children in the first movie is like a dad who is rarely home, and when he is he only gets the good parts: going to the movies, playing outside, etc. He isn't there for the hard parts, so he never completely bonds with the kids as a person, and they only have this kinda distant image of him as "my cool dad". Helen dedicated what, 15 years of her life to only raising and loving her kids, she is only getting a break, not abandoning them. Also yeah, this movie should've happened years into the future.
I ilked it. The villain motivation was a little contrived this time around, but I liked the concept of the character. I didn't have a problem with the continued negative perception of Supers. The question was asked at the end of the last film if they could come out of hiding; the response was a vague, "...we'll let the politicians handle that." I felt it was a realistic representation of how slowly viewpoints and laws can change. It showed that many citizens were likely still wary of Supers and lawmakers held firm based on those presumptions.
I really think it would've been so much better if they had shown them years later with new problems. It bothered me that the mom, who loved being a stay at home mom all of a sudden out of no where wants to be a working mom. It just didnt really fit her character from the first movie by the end.
Because its 1 . to late 2. Stale 3 . uninspiring 4 . set directly after the first which it shouldn't be it should of been set at least 5 to 10 years later or even real time
like lover Yep. And the only reason it was set right after the first was because they wanted to keep Jack Jack a baby so that he can do all that crazy stuff in this movie 🤦🏽♂️
I wouldn't mind if it was set right after the first film if they decided to focus on the underminer like they did on the video game adaptation. But yet again I would love to see the Parr family story set in many years after the first film to see what would a grown up Jack-Jack, Dash, and Violet would do as mid-late teens or young adults on how they could manage their super powers and the responsibilities that come up with their maturity.
BagHead its a crutch the movie used. They were practically just using Jack Jack as a “look how cute this baby is, forget how bland this movie is” thing. The scenes were enjoyable but unnecessary. I agree that the movie should had been set further in the future, even if it was only a year further.
I hated that this began where the first ended. Everytime some idiot says "the first left off on a cliff hanger!" I want to punch them. No it didn't! The main story was resolved! This is just a shameless cash grab!
There's a subtle difference between an open ending and a cliffhanger. A cliffhanger is when *unless we get a follow-up the original story simply doesn't make sense* and feels empty. A cliffhanger's purpose is *external* whereas an open ending's is *internal,* as in, an open ending improves the reception of the story it just finished. It may be something like what the original Incredibles did with the Underminer, it's a way of triumphantly telling the viewers, "those folks are back in business, baby, ain't letting no assholes put them down!" but it can also be the kind of ending Blade Runner did, which allows the viewer to interpret the story in a completely new light but without making it necessary for a sequel to appear to fill in all the blank spots.
The first Incredibles is my favourite Pixar movie. I was glad I didn’t overhype the sequel in my mind because, in the end, I came out of the theatre after watching Incredibles 2 feeling exactly how I feared I would: _I disliked it._ Something about the movie just feels… off to me, like it’s someone’s fanfiction idea rather than an actual _canon_ sequel. It depresses me just thinking about it. Big yikes.
I think that I am one of hte only people in the planet that was actually dreading the fact that they were making a sequel for hte incredibles, I did not want it, I did not need it, and it was as worthless as I expected it to be.
Your feelings make a lot of sense. Like NitPix said in his video, we see the characters grow and have character arcs in the 1st movie yet, in this 2nd one, all that character growth is undone by the story. The characters did regress. So I can see why the movie didn't feel canon to you because, from a character development standpoint, it... kinda wasn't canon.
Actually though. When I saw this video I thought, “Hey, it wasn’t that bad!” Then he went over the first movie and I just remembered how amazing it was and the incredibles 2 is just so bad by comparison for failing the themes, development, etc.
Well no. I dont think it's that great. The themes arent compelling enough to be considered so. Not even to compare it to Incredibles, but just other Pixar movies.
Indeed, Incredibles 2 is more watchable as its own film than how it fares compared to its only predecessor. But regardless, it is a poorly executed, mean-spirited mess regardless of how powerfully realistic its animation is.
One of the biggest signs of a great TH-cam commentary channel is when they can entertain you with their video even when you disagree with the opinion being given. This video is a prime example. I completely disagree with your assessment on Incredibles 2, but I still really enjoyed this video. Great job and keep it up 👍🏻
@@danduhlion people think is bad because we have a point of reference to compare it to, and if we compare it to said point of reference, then the movie is not just mediocre, it is straight up bad, and if we just ignore the original and examine the sequel as its own thing, then it is wrothless, not a bad movie, but a movie that is offering NOTHING beyond one of hte best asses in animation history and some mild entertainment to kill a couple hours with no substance beyond that.
Female empowerment is amazing on its own merits because everyone in the world deserves empowerment (not just of themselves, but also of other people) and equal rights, but it’s distractingly annoying how Modern Disney does it!
I have to agree, it didnt add almost nothing new (except more jack jack and edna scenes) to the story. I also didnt like how sometimes, mister incredible was potrayed as almost dumb? Its hard to describe it, to me, he seemed dumber then in the first, but maybe, thats just me.
The agenda of this film is also the women are in charge and the men are only supporting them. Elastigirl fights the villains while Mr Incredible does as she tells him to do.
I don't think Brad Pitt was very enthusiastic about making a sequel in the first place because he would've done it sooner. The problem is, he was FORCED to do it by the roaring fans (which I understand since the first Incredibles movies is phenomenal!). But usually, if you haven't noticed, the series' or movies that get begged for sequels end up with the sequel to the movie or TV series to be lazily done. Take Avatar: The Last Airbender TV series for example. People wanted a sequel series so badly for so many years until Nickelodeon finally decided that they'd do one, only for it (The Legend of Korra) to be so lazily done, rushed, lack of episodes, and became super controversial in the end that left a bad taste in some people's mouth. With Incredibles 2, I honestly felt underwhelmed, though I did find enjoyment out of it and was cool seeing the characters once again on the big screens. One thing that the sequel did better than the first was the animation in my opinion.
still he didnt have to do it he could make anything he wants these days, if youre not excited about a project and it shows neither will the audience be thanks@@MrYFM2
Incredibles starts with Mr. Incredible late to his own wedding. Incredibles 2 ends with Violet late to her first date. Some part of me thinks that this is so on the nose that it *has* to be intentional.
You wanted for Elastigirl to realize how dope it is to be a mom at the end and to that be her arc? Dear God man, do you want Twitter to erupt? You cant send a dangerous messages like that in 2018.
There's an alternative opening scene to the original Incredibles (not as effective as the one that made it to the final cut but still, interesting stuff), I rewatched it recently and boy, Disney would _never_ have allowed for this kind of old schoolism to be screened these days (as in, Helen protesting against a rich bitch mocking her for being a stay-at-home mom taking care of baby Violet). Iger destroyed this company and everything it ever stood for. And in time he will probably bring it down financially too (is he seriously expecting a fucking Dumbo live action remake to turn in another $1b in revenues???).
I mean, that was her view in the first movie. I think the fuck up was that they switched Elastigirl and Mr.Incredible's world views. Which could be fine if, within the film's universe, it didn't occur within 10 minutes
@@murciadoxial8056 That is kinda true but the 3rd movie better explored the theme of a kid outgrowing their toys. The 2nd movie ends with Woody basically deciding that he wants to be there for Andy even though he knows Andy will eventually outgrow him one day. The 3rd movie ends with Andy, having outgrown the toys, passing them onto the next generation and the toys being at peace with his decision. So, while the 3rd had a similar story structure to the 2nd, Andy giving up his toys at the end of the 3rd made that movie feel final. Like all the characters had moved on and there was no more story left to tell. Because of that, it didn't feel as much of a capitalising on M U H N O S T E L G I A A A as the 4th one does (or at least it doesn't to me). Toy Story 3 was a cash grab that was also a beautiful end to a beloved franchise. Toy Story 4 is just a cash grab.
@@knucklescapricorn31 now i agree with you but i would not call it a cash grab but more of a took things from toy story 2 and enhanced them with toy story 3 when the day finally came when Andy leave's them. both are great sequels but i worry toy story 4 will not be very good because the story already was finished
@@thehatohyeahyeah5141 That's fair enough. I generally see all sequels as cash grabs because studios usually make them just to make money and not because they have more story to tell. Studios seem to prefer to re-hash known IPs that are guaranteed to make them money than try to invest in new IPs (this is pretty evident with Disney and how they are doing live-action re-makes of old stories instead of creating new stories). But you are right, Toy Story 3 was great and an improvement on Toy Story 2.
The only reason Elastic Girl accepts the job is because Mr. Incredible convinced her that it was a good thing for the kids so they have a choice of being supers instead of pretending to be normal. So she doesn't do it to relive her glory days. All your other points are good tho
FaustoPebles The Elastagirl comments made no sense. Helen literally said she was doing this to give her kids a choice and when Bob was acting like he wasn’t okay she said she would come right back. She cares about her kids and Bob. Apparently he cares more about making a statement than paying attention to the movie.
I really didn't get why people wanted the sequel for Incredibles. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the first Incredibles, but I thought the first one was a complete story. No sequel needed
So did Brad Bird... until he needed money. Disney had been "announcing" a sequel for years, because they knew it would make tons of cash. But Bird held the creative rights. Whenever someone asked, like in an interview, he kept saying there would only (and he used the word ONLY) be a sequel if he 'had the right story to tell'. Then a few of his high budget movies did poorly (read: Tomorrowland), and he needed to cash in quick on a sure bet, lest studios see him as past-prime. And so we get the half-baked, lowest common denominator, plastic keys jingling in our face that is Incredibles 2.
I wanted a sequel, because the first one had incredible characters that would easily lend themselves to a sequel as long as Brad Bird was creating it. I thought Brad Bird couldn't make a bad sequel, because his writing and directing had been shown to be simply great.
Because it is such a complete world with well-rounded characters. I feel like there are so many stories to tell with the Incredibles, especially being that they are superheroes, that I personally wanted to hear more from. But unfortunately, this ain't it.
That's exactly the problem with Pixar sequels when the original is a complete story what more room is there to expand? Toy Story seems to be the only one that worked. The incredibles 2, Finding Dory and Monsters University backtrack on what the original films do, Monsters University is a prequel so I guess you could argue it doesn't apply.
@@nothinggood2696 Even Ralph Breaks the Internet is pale in comparison to the original, and like you said it backtracked what the original did and retread the same plot point over again, the only difference is that it's Disney's version of Emoji movie.
Does this happen because the director/writer doesn't give a damn or because the studio forces the movie to be finished quickly because they don't give a damn?
@@ceoofbananas2002 Definitely. I'm sure brad bird really wanted to make a sequel if it was good enough. He never found a good enough idea and Disney got impatient especially after it became well known people wanted Inc 2. I think he tried his best with what I assumed was a lot of pressure to make this when he didn't want to.
I hate when sequels "reset" the characters and they lose all adversity they experienced in the first movie.
Who wouldn’t, eh? 😊
It's so lazy
GOD I hate when they do that.
Do you mean when they turn the character back into a child? Because I also hate that and it happens far too often.
@@kieranstark7213 Eeh... any good writter?
"Your childhood is a commodity". This is so true man.
As if it wasn't in the beginning?
how depressing. thankyou Disney.
Pixar is becoming full disney by relasing sequel after sequel
The question is, is Pixar being forced into doing so? If Pixar was given full creative freedom would they maker new and better content?
If you think of your childhood as nothing but a bunch of movies, that’s pretty sad.
I bet brad bird had a gun held to his head as he directed this movie
He didn't want a sequel so he probably felt forced to make this
Lmao
Exactly. if Brad wanted to do it. he would've had the passion, and could've really put some effort into it! but he didn't give two fucks, so he couldn't give the film the quality it deserved.
and also theres the fact he's probably shit at doing sequels due to well... he's never cared for sequels. he's a one-time story guy...
He literally said he had a sequel in mind for years
lmfao fuck off, Brad Bird is an adult, he is one of the most famous directors working rn and most beloved, the studio can't force him to do anything, if he made a film it's because he wanted to make a film and this one just turned out bad
If you think about it the endings was great in the first flim.
People think this is a great sequel because it has been years since they watched the last one and they don't remember the continuity issues.
Aye. THIS.
Fucking. THIS.
I watched 1 shortly before watching 2 and I puked. Fuck's sake.
Funny. When I went to see this in theaters I hadn't rewatched the first movie in years, and right from the getgo I had issues with this movie. One of the big ones being that super heroes were illegal again. I was like "I thought that was dealt with in the first movie."
Dave Lee Down Under went as far as to call Incredibles 2 a “PERFECT SEQUEL” so he could rate it higher than another Brad Bird film that he should’ve praised a LOT more (Ratatouille) which is why one of the video’s top comments is about Ratatouille being a very underrated movie (while people look for much more good things to say about Incredibles 2 instead).
But you know, outside of that minor (I say “minor” because to give Dave Lee’s opinion on Ratatouille credit where credit is due, at least he went sort of easy on it, I guess) dick move, I highly appreciate the rest of the list (but if it were updated to the 2020s, another Pixar film that deserves to be ranked low on the list, (nearly up to the ranks of Cars 2, in fact,) would have to be Toy Story 4.
DarkBum IKR EVERYONE IK KISSED THE SEQUELS BUTT FOR SOME REASON SMOOTH BRAINS
*Nobody who saw the first one will ever forget how incredible the INCREDIBLES was.*
If they did, they deserve this stupid sequel!
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I liked the movie, but I will not deny the flaws in the plot. My biggest gripe was the weak villain's motivations and plan. The first one will always be better IMO.
The dad should also have probably had a phone in the panic room he was supposed to be going to, rather than calling immediately and hoping some supers would get there before he got murdered. She should be blaming a lack of forethought and reasoning on the part of her dad rather than superheroes.
She ended up being just as backwards in her results as her dad though seeing as she made the heroes look great by constantly making threats for them to squash, I think it would have been much more interesting as a plot twist that screenslaver was still the sister but rather than being evil and vengeful it was literally all for the sake of advertising. She just wanted the venture to get some good opening PR, i'm not sure how the fuck it would get resolved in an interesting way but chuck in some good bits about public opinion and how it affects stuff and you'd at least have something still probably not great but potentially better than what we got.
@@not_cicero Imagine if supers didn't exist. Wluld you think Evelyn would try to go against the police force because her dad was a huge dumbass who wanted to call the authorities than go into the panic room? Why didn't he put the phones in the panic room?
@@not_cicero Also if you were some bipolar nerd to idolized one of the most well known supers. Trained countless hours, and waste all your time building high tech items, and got rejected for being their sidekick...eh..you would be mad too?
@@BK-ku1zt I dunno why he didn't die to one of the super heros accidents. The father that praised the heros is tragically killed by one
@@BK-ku1zt It's especially strange considering that Gazorbeam and Fironic don't have superspeed, so even if they picked up, they probably couldn't have helped in time.
I think incredibles 2 should have been a time jump
No doubt, a time jump could show huge changes in the world and characters and would definitely lend itself into a great and original story.
I agreeeee! And it's so obvious that they chose to pick up right at the end of the last movie so that they could (a) show the Underminer fight which fans have wanted to see for years, and (b) capitalise on Jack Jack's cuteness and his shenanigans. A movie where the characters are older and living in a world where superheros are legal would have been way better.
You mean a time skip?
Yeah it's been 14 years my hopes where high then I saw the trailers and saw that no time has passed despite the fact that I got older I got pissed and didn't see it because I'm cheap I'll probably watch it on Netflix through.
Oh yeah it would have been perfect toy story got a time jump how come incredibles couldn't get one
How to fail a sequel:
Step one: Reset everything back to square one with the heros set worst off than before just so they can do it again.
Seriously, every bad sequel does this.
Toy Story 4 and Frozen 2 had the same problem, among their other issues. Heck, nearly ALL of Disney or Pixar's sequels have this problem.
Thunderbird 1 with frozen 2 I could see what they were trying to do, however with toy story 4 it was pretty much unnecessary.
@@thunderbird1921 so true! I was so disappointed with Toy Story 4 and apparently the voice actor of Buzz cried about the ending, so I was expecting a really emotional ending like the last three films, but everything was so disappointing from the beginning to end. I'm just grateful I did enjoy some bits.
@@celestfinity3770 I HATED TS4. It completely destroyed Buzz's character development, made Woody a joke, made Bo a MASSIVE jerk and weakened Jessie for the sake of making Bo and Dolly look "strong". What a slap in the face to these characters (especially Buzz and Jessie). I refuse to consider that ending canon.
@@thunderbird1921 I felt that Bo was apparently woman superiority or something like that, but I felt like it was shoved in my throat by force. I really loved Bo because the little scenes she was in was enough for me to like her. Every character development just disappeared and we went back to Buzz acting like the first movie maybe even worse, Jessie insecure just like the second movie and every character i loved just vanished. Heck! None of the original characters were memorable in the TS4
Thank you SO MUCH for talking about how they did Elastagirl dirty. Her main character trait was she was the power house keeping everyone together. She gave up being a superhero so she could focus on her family. In this movie she just leaves?
Also isn't "HAHAHA MEN DON'T KNOW HOW TO TAKE CARE OF A HOUSE!!" just... I dunno, dated and not funny?
IKR not to mention sexist against men?
But I thought the idea of that is that Bob doesn’t have much experience as a stay at home parent as he was usually the one who was always out working or doing other stuff. I don’t think they were trying to make a sexist joke but your opinion
@@bengilhooly3616 that’s exactly what it was it was development for Bob not knowing how to be a family man compared to always being incredible by himself that’s the dynamic they focused in however everyone here interprets that as a reset of characters when their only wanting to see what they want to instead of what the directors are going for I just watched it again and I see the direction and enjoyed it
@@camdoesitall Here's the thing, the 1st film's own montage shows Bob alone with Dash. The first film already implied that he knew how to take care of his own kids before the second. Y'all just take what's shown in the second film as a given without ever going back to the first.
@@bengilhooly3616Like I told the other guy, not the case when the previous film, even if it is for a brief moment, during the montage, shows Bob alone with Dash, that already implies that he CAN take care of his kids on his own, whether or not y'all personally think that was or wasn't enough to be such an implication, that's a personal issue, but not something that can justify what the second film has done to Bob's character. And yeah, whether y'all like it or not, majority of people here are in agreement that we're tired of seeing this trope of the father being incompetent at taking care of his own children, regardless if it's played for laughs or is of a serious tone, and regardless of the "in story" reasons y'all could try to pull from in order to explain this , "in universe". 200 thumbs up, that ain't a small number.
But Grown Ups 2 starring Adam Sandler. Now that’s a good sequel
Nah nah nah, shrek 2
Mei Chip Shrek 2 *is* a good sequel though
Cars 2 is the best comedy sequel ever
Dillon Robinson but shreck the third isn’t
@@christy2443 the thing is, Shrek 2 actually is a great sequel.
OH. MY. GOD. THIS MAN AND I ARE ON THE SAME PAGE. Finally, someone. I wrote an entire essay last semester about the decline of Pixar over the last decade.
toy Story 3 is good though, and he messed up there
@@troywright359 and inside out
Disney in general has been in decline the last 10 years or so, apart from Marvel. Wreck It Ralph was the only truly GREAT story I felt, Inside Out was nice too though. Sadly however, they have been a big exception.
@@thunderbird1921 they don't care about putting effort into their movies anymore, they know they can safely live off of nostalgia so they don't have to try anymore
@@troywright359 toy storry 3 is 2010.. feminist agena start at 2015
When I saw The Incredibles 2, I Thought It was Okay, But Disappointing, I saw the villain coming from mile off.
WhiteKitsu the villain was revealed before the film came out. Evelyn Devor = Evil endeavor
Yeah Pixar pretty much sucks when creating surprise villains. Heck, Ig Hero 6, I guessed the villain right the second he showed up on screen, long before he even showed up in costume for the first time.
I agree
@@toongrowner1 calling it a suprise is a stretch...I was more suprised about fucking Voldemort then I was about Evlyn
Ship was supervillain intead of robot what rubbish
y’all ever wonder wtf happen to tha underminer dude
Probably left ambiguous again for a potentially next movie
Yup
underminer takes the money to a drug leader to get his daughter free but as he gave his money to the drug leader the drugleader bring out his daughter soon he looks at her and see's she is died
victer wow 10/10 writing can't believe Pixar missed out on putting this in the movie pls like if you cry evertim
So there's a video game that discussed that arc. I still think it was stupid for them to not have it.
I always thought the underminer was a joke because he undermined their victory but I don’t know now
pretty sure he was yeah, or some kind of representation of the arguing and sadness that the family fought their way through amongst themselves? he's at war with peace and happiness after all. Or both. Or nothing. But regardless of intended meaning it was funny, quirky and fitting within the established universe.
underminer is a joke villain
the line about peace and happiness was a joke line to build him up as a over the top villain for the parr family to beat up
complaining about him robbing a bank is a (gasp) nitpick. it’s not like robbing a bank doesn’t destroy peace and happiness. he blows up a bunch of buildings too. honestly just a really lousy complaint. i have no idea what nitpix expected from this villain.
I prefer video game Underminer instead of Incredibles 2 Underminer
@@uhoh6706 now there's a man to be reckoned with
The fact that they used this joke villain that was supposed to show the family unit was complete and ready to kick ass at the end of the first film, as an actual villain is embarrassing. When I saw that no time had passed, I knew the sequel would be shit. They couldn't write the characters as older, with new problems, or they just couldn't be bothered trying. Either way that's Hollywood these days.
incredible 2 in my opinion they have one of the worst twist villain in Disney and pixar history
right, like Evelyn Deavor: evel -yn deavor, evel yndevor, evil endeavor. If I roll my eyes any harder they'll get stuck in the back of my head.
Straight up.. the second they said she was good with technology I knew who the villain was.
But the rest of the movie was great
@@thadmaster7 To you maybe, it has a lot of issues
with it that drop it from a 7/10 to like a 4.5-5/10 for me. I can understand why people like it but I really understand why some didn't like it haha.
@@thadmaster7 i agree
Not gonna lie, after i watched the incredibles 2 movie. The next day i forgot what happened in the movie.
Did you like it though
I never got to finish it, since the strobing lights forced me to leave the theater.
Me too
Happened to me with Far From Home. Forgot it existed and thought my Dad was trashing Spiderverse.
Z3L1M / B4RH I fell asleep at the end fight in the movie theater 💀
"The best parts of Incredibles II are the parts of the first film that were cut out"
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Incredibles 2 is great.
Not as a final product, but everything outside of the movie itself (except for the trailers, they are a representation of the movie itself).
Kieran Stark what do you mean?
th-cam.com/video/YOCeIpZrbGk/w-d-xo.html
m.th-cam.com/video/MpszkettjAY/w-d-xo.html It ends with a salutation to Lego Incredibles.
i just realised that i only liked the movie because i haven’t watched the original in years, i guess that’s exactly what the writers also did.
I only watched it because I haven't seen a Pixar movie in theaters for a while
Honestly I liked it. But this guy is entirely right. It wasn't memorable like the first one. And it's the reality of the first one that made me like it and I always felt a little separated from this one. The family wasn't really real, which made it not really memorable. I'm upset to say that he's entirely right about the negative review. Definitely earned most grossing film of all time though, because the first was good enough to warrant everyone on the planet running blindly into the trap.
Thats because youre too busy having fun at hoggarts
Yup
dkstarcraft fuckin hoggarts 😂
This movie was too late. *_15 years too late..._*
Levi R. Ha
It wasn’t even 15 years!! They changed it last second to come out a year early so they can work more on toy story 4! So it was 14 years and they ruined a wonderful joke.
Literally
@@RedEveTillDawn ikr
If the sequel is really good (not this one), it's OK to wait for,a couple of years.
Violet's arc in the 1st movie was great. Then comes the 2nd movie and reset the whole thing. Jeez.
How was it reset?
@@Stew91 in the 1st movie, Violet was shy and awkward around her crush (forgot his name). At the end of the movie, she got her self confidence and was cool about the guy asking her out. Then the 2nd movie came and that confidence of hers suddenly disappeared. Why was she shy and awkward around the guy when in the 1st movie, she was cool and calm? The animation is gorgeous though
One of the reasons why the siblings in the original were so well received was because they were played smart. Initially, we're led to believe Dash will be the focus so when the plane scene comes around, we're left shocked to see Violet's getting the spotlight. And then their bond is allowed to mature through the jungle chase scene.
In this movie, Violet's getting the focus solely on her with Dash being completely pointless. Maybe if Violet's arc was at least somehow interesting to watch... but it's just teen angst.
@@virusINJUSTICE Violet has had self confidence in the second movie. What she was frustrated about, was the fact that after gaining so much courage to finally talk to a boy, he ignores her. Then she becomes even more devastated, when she find out about the memory wiping. Violet's also shown to mature in the sequel, when she uses her shield to protect everyone on the boat at the end. That's character development.
Paul Budoy
Because people personalities don’t entirely change because of an arc.
You hit EXACTLY the feelings and problems throughout this unorganized mess of a sequel. The twist was completely cheap, unearned, and overall predictable, unlike the first movie. Every character not only felt off to me, but just completely pointless (that except Elastic girl who was suddenly the most important character). Instead of the dynamic family we saw overcoming challenges in the first movie, we get whatever the hell the second was, which just made me sad, because I saw this coming a mile away, as much as I didn't want to.
its not *bad*
its not *great*
its just there
It resumes Pixar's quality since Ellie's death in Up!...
Exactly
I’m pretty sure it’s bad for it’s mostly mediocre plot
It was not bad
it was not great
it was just sooo CRINGEY !!!
Being just there is the same as being bad. Specially if you take 14 years to make the damn movie. u
What killed this movie for me was how the family seems to have forgotten that Jack-Jack has powers and how it was treated as a major revelation. There's no way they didn't see him very clearly wailing on Syndrome!
My idea for the movie was a lot different. Because of the gap between it and the original, I thought about aging the characters up between that gap. Violet would be married and possibly expecting her first child, Dash would be up in college (and absolutely loving it), and Jack-Jack would be in Middle School and the overall plot of it would be centered on Bob and Helen coming to grips with the fact that the nest is emptying especially with the fact that they're going to be grandparents.
And to be honest, I thought it had been settled at the end of the first movie that supers were legal again. And I too thought the Parrs saw Jack Jack's powers in the first movie.
They didn't see Jack-Jack's powers, because he and Syndrome were too far away. They could only tell that Syndrome was having some difficulties during his flight to his ship.
But yeah, I agree, the ending of the first film implied that supers would eventually become legal again. Why make a whole movie about it and have the events of the first film have no influence on that decision whatsoever?
@@TiagoMonteiroArt no they all saw Syndrome and Jack Jack well enough! So much so that Mr Incredible was able to throw Elastic Girl up to precisely the point in the sky where Jack Jack had fallen to make the perfect catch.
@@mr.safensound4238 but if you watch the clip, Helen says she can't see whats going on, she only reacts when she sees him fall. None of them ever mention he has superpowers or that he turned into a monster or was on fire.
She and Bob were wondering what was going on up there because Syndrome was having issues and was concerned about Jack Jacks safety. Mr Incredible even says he didn't wanna hurt Jack Jack, but not once mentions his powers.
@@GavinsBazaar313 so which way do you want it? She can't see what's going on? Or she SEES him fall? The creators think she did see him fall..
And they DO know the baby has powers, just no idea what kind! It's made into a joke when Helen visited Edna. The baby supersuit itself is all the proof you need:
[after seeing Jack-Jack's superhero outfit]
Helen : What on earth do you think the baby will be doing?
Edna : Well, I am sure I don't know, darling. Luck favors the prepared.
Incredibles 2 is totally a one time watch movie for me. I could watch Incredibles 1 a billion times and never get bored of it.
incredibles 2 is simply the first one with reversed roles
but done worse, i can rewatch incredibles1 any day of the week but i wont sit through this one after the first time watching it unless its in scenes from my favorite bits on youtube
And no soul.
*The Incredibles score*
Animation: 9.5 (Incredible)
Story: 10 (Masterpiece)
Characters: 10 (Masterpiece)
*10/10 (Masterpiece)*
*Incredibles 2 score*
Animation: 5.5 (Great... maybe even too much so that it actually gives the animation shortcomings, like, because it’s made by 2010s Pixar, it’s more focused on boasting what they could do with the technology of today’s CGI in many ways like how incredibly detailed the rendering of the movie is to the point where it just gets annoying because of how fresh it is compared to the movie itself)
Story: 0.5 (Unbearable)
Characters: 2.5 (Terrible... though I did like Frozone and Edna Mode for feeling more like the original The Incredibles than everything else in the movie)
*3/10 (Disappointment)*
Pixar sequels always do that, except for the Toy Story sequels. In Cars 2, Mater was the protagonist instead of McQueen, in Monsters University, Mike was the protagonist instead of Sulley, and in Finding Dory, Dory was the protagonist instead of Marlin.
I cannot express how dissapointing this film was, but definitely the thing I found the most rediculous was the fact that the whole universe forgot that a literal genocide had taken place in the first movie. Like lmao! Ok! Guess we'll just ignore all those dead superheroes. I don't even know if there was a single reference. Wouldn't they be getting emotional seeing all the new-age supers, and realizing that they've lost essentially all of their old friends? Like explained in the video, there was generally just a ton of stuff (plot, character development, setting, etc) that was incredibly important to the original that was very much ignored in the second. I do not believe that this was the movie Brad originally planned on making, and that it was possibly altered by Pixar or Disney's agenda (especially when it comes to marketing and toys). At least, I hope so. You can see glimmers of a better movie within some of the scenes and storyboards that were cut, at least.
There's a cut scene about the heroes that died. You can find it on TH-cam.
You really should watch all the cut scenes, they're all good.
It'll take you about 40 minute.
There was a cut scene of Mr. Incredible giving a eulogy for the dead supers and it is amazing.
The way you spelled ‘ridiculous’ was a little ridiculous... sorry to be that guy
I agree!!!! I was waiting for Bob or Helen to talk about how the heroes the old guy went to call during the home invasion were killed by Syndrome in the first movie! Like, they couldn't help because they were dead...
Edna is still the best character
always has been
Edna belongs to the first chapter
Any movie that has edna, will always be great
Brad Bird said they would NOT make a sequel unless they had a good story to tell..... And then the sequel is just the first one all over again only Helen and Bob's roles are reversed, the villain is weaker, the characters are more static, and the plot of the first one is completely disregarded because supers become illegal AGAIN... I was disappointed. My expectations for this movie were very high because of what Brad Bird said. I like Monster's University more than this POS movie xD
My same opinion exactly. Of all the things they've could've gone with the story, they chose the least interesting and most cliche route. The end of the first film allowed for a sequel, but was still a blank slate. They could've have done anything, and we got mediocrity. I also agree with you about Monster's University, because at least that film knew to have new themes, new character arcs, and not repeat the the first movie's plot. It's such a shame that Incredibles 2 is so bland and average
The Kyle Flies They're waited too long to make this movie. They've should've released this like 4-5 years after the first movie came out.
@@emeraldcrusade5016 I agree!
They virtually erased the whole moral of the real one.
I think they did become legal or did I miss that.
I'll never understand why they didn't age up the characters. It would've been so cool to see Violet going to college, Dash in high school, and Jack Jack in elementary/ middle school? (don't know how old he is) and it could've been about the parents trying to adjust with their kids growing up/becoming independent or something
Which is why Incredibles 3, at that rate, sounds like a better idea than ever (or so we originally though as much of a great idea as before the trailers for Incredibles 2 were revealed).
Nostalgia is a very porwerful weapon
Your spelling sure isn’t because that’s not how you spell powerful
I watched the Incredibles in the same year as Incredibles 2
A very blunt weapon
@@naughtysmurf4207 no one cares
He didn't want a sequel to it. That's why it was rushed.
go back to your time period
Wally West is still Kid Flash in this time period
It was actually rushed so Pixar had a movie for 2018 so Toy Story 4 could get a rewrite.
George Lucas
@ Yes, in fact the pulled the release date a year forward just so they could do this. If it was giving another year, the story probably would have been significantly better. It's really annoying that NitPix has never addressed this in his video.
@@CoWinkKeyDinkInc source?
NitPix, you're out here doing the lord's work. I didn't love the first Incredibles movie because of flashy superpowers. I didn't love the first Incredibles movie because of Jack Jack doing a fart. I didn't even love the first Incredibles movie because of Edna Mode being funny. I loved the first Incredibles because of its vision of a superhero world that simultaneously parodied/commented on comic-books and also felt extremely realistic and down-to-earth. I loved the first Incredibles movie because the film wasn't flashy - things weren't driven by spectacle or humor or crowd-pleasing, they were driven by characters. I loved the first Incredibles movie because those characters felt like real, mature, extremely dimensional people - not like Saturday Morning Cartoon heroes. Incredibles 2's characters don't just feel like they're from a Saturday Morning Cartoon - the entire movie itself feels like a cartoon. It's so disappointing to see such an interesting universe regressed to a story this simplistic and by-the-books. The first movie wasn't necessarily a film made just for adults, but it sure wasn't made just for kids either. The sequel definitely was.
For the record, gargoyles was a Saturday morning cartoon and it had fleshed out and complex characters.
It feels like a sad Saturday morning cartoon cashing in on the first one.
You and Nitpix perfectly described the MCU and I2. Soulless cashgrabs that spits on the legacy of beloved characters.
@@albertthepeacock8020 The Marvel Cinematic Universe and the Incredibles 2 are souless cashgrabs, how so?
@@Stew91 both tell cliche stories,forced unfunny jokes,villains that make no sense and have been done before
"Your childhood is a commodity. Something that can be packaged and sold back to you." Well said.
Incredibles 2 juices nostalgia especially with scenes of Jack Jack. I thought this sequal was more of a cash grab than a movie worth remembering.
Ur not wrong
And it worked too
Is it really a cash grab if people have been demanding for it though. Or unless the definition of cash grab has changed
@@uhoh6706 It is a cash grab because minimal effort was put on the script, which you can tell because everything's about is is rushed. They just knew incre 2 would sell BECAUSE fans asked for it.
@@uhoh6706 Uh, that's exactly what makes something a cash grab lol. You know you're going to get money either way so you minimize your expenses. This film is not a labor of love and was rushed out the door because they knew people were hungry for a sequel.
me and my family liked it better than the first but that's my opinion
The grown ups in the sequel are pathetic. It'd be better if they just make the kids as main characters.
I was really hoping Incredibles 2 had a timeskip smh.
SAME!!!
I wanted to see Dash and Violet grown up with their powers so much
Yeah to see elastic girl still THICC jk
GrumpySenpai I believe everyone was thinking that was gonna happen
GrumpySenpai because that makes sense and would work as a tcontinuation of the underlying themes...
Incredibles 2 is just another animated flick. Also the writers had NO idea for Jack Jack's powers
I think they made Jak Jak's powers change a lot because babies are unpredictable and hard to control at times, so that trait may apply to his powers.
Good point, I can't think of a username.
I came out of the movie feeling unsatisfied, but not entirely understanding why, but you explained my issues with the movie perfectly. Upon watching it a second time I would venture to say that it is a fun movie overall. The main flaw lies in that it is a sequel. If it had been a new superhero movie with original characters, I may have enjoyed it more. However, the first movie is just so flawless that the sequel feels disconnected from the ideas of its predecessor. The sequel is pretty to look at, but that's basically its whole identity: pretty. It lacks the substance and social commentary that the first conveys so eloquently and instead becomes a superfluous money grab, which is just so disappointing.
no its not the fact that its a sequel which is why it sucks its that it was released 10+ years later when the original viewers have grown up
Sequels can be good, even better than the original. There can never be a perfect movie, it can be close but there will always be something wrong with it in some way or another. But a perfect sequel can exist, as it has only a set amount of things to accomplish. It just so happens most sequels are made for money, not from passion.
@@JG_Wentworth I agree that there can be amazing sequels, but they are few and far between. This movie in particular just fails to meet so many expectations established by the first movie unfortunately. I feel like I just keep getting my hopes up with all of these recent Disney sequels, excited to return to some especially well-crafted worlds, but they keep disappointing me. Maybe I should just have lower expectations, who knows
@@cassie6645 Some of the major stipulations for a perfect sequel is that it needs to expand on the previous movie in a meaningful way, it needs to have a message relating to the previous movie, it needs to make sense within the universe, and it needs to accurately represent the characters from the previous movie with or without a time gap between the two films. This movie did none of those things, in fact it did the exact opposite of most if not all of those things.
You do not need to lower your expectations if your expectations are the bare minimum of a decent script, which these kinds of movies can't even fucking achieve. Doesn't matter how much money the movie gets thrown at it, if it can't achieve the bare minimum of *sub decent* writing, something major is wrong.
Not gonna lie, I was kind of bored while watching the movie and I left feeling underwhelmed. Like this is what I waited over a decade for?
I know right? I had the exact same feeling
Same. Can't believe I let myself get hyped up for it. I rarely like to do it because I know it will leave me disappointed... I was let down the minute they started rehashing the same plot, except with less beautiful exotic island scenery, exciting action scenes, touching character development.
Pretty much the same as the first movie but everything is predictable, the action is locked into generic cityscapes and cramped hallways, soundtrack is mellowed down so it barely has any of the character and OOMPH it had in the first, it's just like they took the same movie and desaturated half the reason it was enjoyable. Only things they kept were that family dynamic humour, also the textures and animation were smoother, which was nice. But otherwise, a bit of a letdown.
My recommendation to alleviate that feeling of disappointment and boredom is to go and watch Into The Spider-Verse. It was phenomenal, I'm still in shock that it came out of the same place that made The Emoji Movie.
@@basedbattledroid3507 the thing is did you notice a lot of similar things to the first movie?
Yep. And what makes it worse is that the marketing and even the clip at the beginning of the movie with all the actors in it kept touting that, "You've waited fifteen years for this--enjoy!"
Fifteen years for a straight superhero film as a sequel to something that mocked superhero movies--hell, the thing that finally pushed me over the edge was that Evelyn *started monologuing* when she had Elastigirl on a platter and she wouldn't shut up about how inevitable her defeat was, how feeble superheroes were compared to her, how the world would get back on its feet...
...I was like, "Wait, is this a joke? Evelyn's kidding, right? She'll snark about how she had that speech prepared beforehand and ask Helen how she liked it, right?"
@@eatatjoes6751 What I hated about Evelyn was that she barely did anything at all as the villain and her capturing elasticgirl was boring because all she did was talk. There was so much potential for this movie but bird didn't even use the natural elements to a pixar movie
Besides this video, you don't hear much about Incredibles 2. No hate or likes just nothing. No memes either.
There's a lot of porn
Isn't the elasthiccgirl a meme ?
What about the violet spitting water through her nose one?
Um, you and I aren't looking at the same online places then; this is like the 12th video I've seen about the movie in the last three months, and the first few were recommended to me despite not watching or searching about anything related to the movie.
This is the second lengthy video I've seen that just bashes the hell out of Incredibles 2. I mean, is it great? No. Is it bad? Again, no. The problem is that it's serviceable when the first one was exceptional.
A good waste of 2 hours and 5 minutes. Screen Slaver/Evelyn is a copy paste of any Saturday Morning Cartoon Villain (who the first movie tongue-in-cheek mocks). I'm sure she had actual lines, but all I heard was "Waaaaah waaaaaah. A loved one of mine was tangentially killed by superheroes, so I will naturally hate ALL superheroes, and manufacture situations where only superheroes could do anything. Also, some shit about game shows. Waaaaah." To be fair, Syndrome wasn't any less of a crybaby, and his origin seems like you've seen it before (although, in my travels, I haven't encountered a comic character with an origin like his yet. But, I'm sure they're out there.) But, Syndrome had a charisma and a presence about him. Which is impressive considering he looks like a thumb.
The best parts of the movie were easily the parts where Bob is raising the kids. Scenes like "I don't KNOW that way" and the dealing with Violet's break-up(? Even though I was annoyed with Violet acting like old Violet again). Incredibles should feel like a family drama/comedy story first and a superhero movie second. It was too straight-forward, with very little of the superheroing paralleling real life, mundane stuff. Like Helen thinking Bob is cheating because he's off doing superhero stuff. If anything, the superhero parts hurt this movie by making it a "I Can't Believe It's NOT Marvel" story.
I would like to actually meet these people who think Incredibles 2 > Incredibles. They must've been blackout drunk when they watched the first one.
Syndrome had at least a deeper desire to let people's obsessions with supers destroy supers completely, and not with a big world destructive ray or anything, but simple captilism and over saturation.
You're right, Syndrome's motivation isn't any more compelling but he is charasmatic therefore it's okay and the movie is therefore better. Good argument. Qualify your opinion better.
Incredibles 2 had some seriously impressive action/ fight choreography. And thats about it.
Yet as great as the fight choreography is (at least during the sequence where Elastigirl tries to stop a train), nothing can top the original.
Incredibles 2 starts with the team & Frozone trying to stop a large unstoppable machine. The movie ends with the team & Frozone trying to stop an unstoppable machinr
I really wished they’d have embraced the time gap
First one was a masterpiece, second was alright, I guess.
Evelyn is professor Callaghan
Winton is her helpess father
This ^
i was a huge fan of the incredibles as a kid so of course i was hyped when i first heard there was gonna be a sequel, but i became extremely apprehensive when it was revealed to take place immediately after the end of the first movie. so apprehensive that i didnt bother watching in theaters and waited for reviews, which turned me off to the movie almost entirely. i finally caved last month and watched it on a plane ride for free and ill just say my skepticism was justified. the whole time i was watching it i was looking for things to like, but ultimately its just..... not that good. im glad i didnt pay money to see it.
i watched it on one of those cheap website because i didnt care for the video quality and... welll... i usually see that in the afternoon, theres like 3d ninja turtles and madagascar penguins tv shows... if i dont watch those, i wouldn't watch the incrredibles 2 either.
It's basically the same friggin story, can't believe this took 14 years to make. Should've just make it into direct-to-dvd instead.
Least Underminer still there hinting of a 3rd possibly better sequel
ding dong your opinion is wrong, and have you even seen any of the direct to dvd sequels?
Fun Fact: This movie did not take 14 years to make. It had about 2 years of development.
To be fair ... Violet is a teenager. This kind of zig zagging is EXACTLY what teenagers do
Yeah, but is not the character we got to know in the first movie.
nah it's called Flanderization
@@ArtistXXX it is she seemed to really love him in the first movie
ArtistXXX 2020
It is this same character. Nitpix completely missed the point of her arc in the first movie.
@@timy9197 too bad she didn't even have an arc in the second
Incredibles 2 should really be called "Elastigirl Fan-service: The Movie".
Lol
And so the 1st one: mr. Incredible fan-service, the movie.
@@esclavodelsistema9783 bruh
@@esclavodelsistema9783 Mr. Incredible was a character everyone was introduced to......
I've been waiting so long for someone to finally say it. No, it's not just lesser than the sequel, it's a middling to bad movie on its own. It's very clear that they had a different story in mind, one about reality TV and the commodification of Hero/Villain dynamics, but they just couldn't quite get it right so they decided to scrap it. Then Disney said, "No, you're doing a sequel," so they just recycled the plot of the last movie.
If you're interested in speculating on what the original version would've been, there are a few deleted scenes for this movie (hand-drawn, never fully animated) that are available on TH-cam. You've got one scene where a half-snake guy is auditioning to be a hero and is so desperate to not be perceived as a freak that he ends up attacking Winston, and you've got another scene showing how Elastagirl is too efficient at fighting petty crime, which sets up the need for a character like Screenslaver. It seems to me like they were setting up a story where Winston was one of the antagonists and it would be a meta-commentary on superhero films and the exploitation of sterotypes by the media.
This plot would’ve been a much better story.
There's also a eulogy held for all the heroes killed by Syndrome and that was the best deleted scene for me. It had that adult maturity that the first film did and was poignant and respectful. Too bad they didn't include.
I mean not all the deleted scenes worked. Like Dash and Violet stopping a petty crime at the restaurant. I don't like the implication that Violet had to strip down to her birthday suit for her invisibility to be seamless and then, it gets a bit too ridiculous that the scene would get that crazy (Dash even stops a runaway car on his own) yet the kids still return back to normal by the time Bob finishes changing Jack Jack's diaper.
YMS already did this. You're slow.
@@frogglen6350 How dare more than one person cover a Pixar sequel! Only the first one counts! Oh please.
@WillFanofMany The only difference is that what they came up with instead is utter shit while Zootopia's current plot is still creative and fun to watch.
Anyone else find it weird how they just kind of skip over the time gap thing in terms of technology. Like its meant to be just after the first film chronologically and even in that film the technology seems a little more 1960s than 2000s. Then in the second film they just have modern technology with no explanation or reference. Just struck me as really...weird and lazy.
The first movie had a combination of both. Do you seriously think the car mr. Incredible drove in the first movie actually existed in the 60's? The only aesthetically looked like something from the 60's but had technology from old spy movies mixed with modern technology.
I've always thought it was peculiar the family had that giant flat screen television in the living room despite it being a psuedo-1960s era.
@@timy9197 Mr. Incredible had that car since before he met Helen, which would mean he had the car from at least the mid-40s.
Keep in mind the Pixar universe is filled with superpowers, AI, animate objects, mad scientists and time traveling monsters. It's not that much of a stretch lol
I feel like the only reason they made Elastigirl the main hero in this movie was because her powers allowed them more freedom for creative and visually stunning set pieces that Mr Incredible's powers could not.
@@mrbubbles6468 Haha planning... well let's see then. In the Elastigirl set piece I mentioned, she uses her arms to casually swing through the city like Spiderman, which would require incredible arm strength to do. She also demonstrates this strength when using just her legs to pull the other half of her motorbike to her. Yet when she is trying to catch a simple pizza boy, she is tossing and turning as if it were an even match. The pizza boy even breaks free from here grasp at one point... how could she swing through the city with here own hands if she cant even hold on to a pizza boy. This doesnt show planning, this just shows that they had a few set pieces in mind and also had a few beats to hit in order for it to be a super hero movie, so they just tossed these scenes in for the sake of filling a formula without actually thinking about it.
I'll be honest with you. I watched this movie purely for jack jack. I wasn't expecting much from the story itself (though I hoped that I would be mistaken), because I had realized that it would be a poor version of the first one. So on that note I wasn't disappointed: I went without any expectations, so my expectations were never betrayed.
And jack jack was super cute and awesome and his powers were incredible.
She's the main chara 'cause she has a big fat butt. Change my mind.
@@miserirken I see that you are a man of culture😏
It's the ass
This movie was PAINFULLY average. Also Craig T Nelson has lost his touch significantly.
He’s really old, yo. It’s kinda sad the sequel didn’t happen much sooner.
m.th-cam.com/video/u7pqj6Oy6bs/w-d-xo.html
What is his role
I mean he's already in his 70s voicing this I don't blame him lost his touch it's been like over a decade since he last did the character.
Toy story 4 didn't need to happen, toy story 3 had a conclusion that was satisfying and felt finished. Toy story 4 is going to be a main character pointlessly dieing just because they wanna be sad and a bunch of padding. I want Pixar to prove me wrong but I doubt it
Tell them! I personally have a few reasons why I don't want TS4 but I've got a feeling that manipulation of the audience's emotions is something that will happen.
@@DeepFriedSpagehetti-rq7iu they could've done that in a short though that's the thing
Toy Story is just gonna fall under the Franchise Zombie trope like Shrek, Ice Age, Hotel Transylvania and The Land Before Time.
I wasn’t sure I was going to like this video because I thought the Incredibles 2 was amazing. I was wrong, you nailed it. I still enjoyed the movie but you are right about it.
Cleveland Terry Bowens Me Too 💯💯💯 I enjoyed the movie Sooooo much but I still agree with him
I didn't care for Incredibles 2, either. For a sequel that came out 14 years after its predecessor. It was shockingly underwhelming.
This sucks compared the OG film.
Saw it a few days ago. If I saw it in theatre I would've walked out after the villain reveal.
Elastigirl looked more THICC than ever though...👍
i actually did walk out......it was so BORING...but yeah elastigirl was total fan service i mean damn
Nah it's just another stupid sjw agenda
After having three kids, it's expected.
Well, aye, but you could look up some of Shädbase's content, if you wanna see thicc Elastigirl pics...
You know who else is thicc? Rainbow Jennifer Dash.
Me throughout the whole movie: “dang Mrs. Incredible is thicccc”
The one thing I was staring at the whole movie.
Same.
Brandon the Boneless Pizza you’re not the only one in fact thats the only reason i watch it
@Stellvia Heonheim Yeah
Her hair.
@@colindowden2182 disagree
I wish I could like this video twice. Honestly the more I think about all the ways this movie let us down, the more I'm insulted that the makers had the gall to present this product to us.
Pixar lost their power once they let Disney take the money reins. Disney stabbed Pixar in the back...
I'm glad I'm not the only one who believes this.
Finally, someone who agrees with me. When I war hed the first 20 minutes I was like "well... This is boring..." But I pushed through it. And I hated it. And no one agreed with me until now.
As soon as it was confirmed that there was no time gap, I knew it would be bad.
THIS. should have been 20 years later with them being grandparents or atleast the kids in college and jack jack like an eight year old
@@asinicalnarcissist9520 Why are you saying that? Jesus Christ. It's just a movie.
You are truly idiotic.
The problem with a time jump is that it would ruin the characters big time. Alot of their personality traits revolve around genders and age groups.
LOL, STFU.
Why didn't they just
close their eyes
I want this superhero birdbox movie
You forgot a few things:
The first movie took place in the 60s
The new supers that got mind controlled are clearly mary sue characters
So, one of my biggest gripes with the movie was the twist reveal for Evelyn. Her goals and reasoning are messed up. What did she want? To make supers illegal. Why did she want this? Because her father put trust in supers and it got both him and his wife murdered.
1) Supers were already illegal at the start of the movie. The finale against the giant robot didn't automatically make them legal, and the opening sequence with the Underminer only set them back.
2) The backstory with the father calling the supers for help during a break in is stupid. By that time, supers were already illegal and he would know that. Plus, even if they weren't, there's no way they'd be able to get there in time. God knows how far away they could be from the house. Not to mention, Evelyn is blaming supers for something her father did.
Alright, let's fix this. And we can do it with only a few tweaks to the story.
Firstly, let's change Winston and Evelyn from siblings to a married couple. This will make sense later.
Secondly, have the entire Incredible family included in the hero scene. There could be a montage of them taking on small crimes, maybe have them work alongside the authorities to show that they're cooperative. We can even have them team up with the new supers to help with publicity. This way the characters all have something to do during the film instead of 3/4 them mostly just sitting around.
Thirdly, have like two to three action set pieces where the Incredible family comes together to stop some city wide threat. The screenslaver is also one of the villains and claims he orchestrated the other disasters.
Fourthly, there are going to be a few scenes where one of the Incredibles overhears Winston and Evelyn talking about someone. That this person isn't ready to be seen by the public.
And finally, the twist reveal. However, it plays out a little differently. Helen still pieces together that the screenslaver was a bogus villain and Evelyn subdues her. But now, both Evelyn and Winston are working together. She reveals that all of the incidents were staged and that the villains they arrested were actually actors they hired. Helen asks why go to such lengths and Evelyn calls for someone to step forward. It's a little girl, no older than five, and she has purple skin, horns and a tail. Evelyn reveals that everything was for her's and Winston's daughter. She wants a world where her daughter can play with other children out in the open and not be hidden away. Evelyn asks what Helen would do for her children, what she would do if it was her child? Helen's at a loss for words. She agrees with what Evelyn is trying to accomplish but not her methods. Should she remain silent and let everything unfold, or should she speak out and stop the Deavors? It all leaves a nasty taste in her mouth.
And that's all I really got for now. Couldn't think of a climax to this. Maybe someone else has an idea?
Xanegoh instead of a Sequel Movie I would make a sequel series since that way there will be much more room to develop the characters
Man you could seriously participate making the third of the movies plot. Your writing skills r amazing, unironically
@@esclavodelsistema9783 Agreed! this is gold!
The incredibles 2 is the most forgettable movie I’ve ever seen.
It's definitely forgettable, but there will always be movies that is even less worth rememberance.
*cough cough* The Wild Life, The Nut Job duology, The Amazing Spider-Man 2, Illumination Entertainment films (except for DM1&2 and The Grinch, the Crest Animation Productions franchises (if only), modern Adam Sandler films and much more like Hotel Transylvania 3 and Blended, old live-action anime movies like Dragonball Evolution and The Last Airbender (but excluding Speed Racer), Suicide Squad, and the list goes on.
If you don't mind even some of the films, then more power to you. We just see no reason why people even defend any (if not all) of these films.
You sure about that? I've seen so many other films I forgot even existed because they were so forgettable lol....
Tammy’s Forehead productions i thought it was good and i genuinely seen worse. Trust me on that.
@@kieranstark7213 I don't agree with you on Frozen because I love that movie but hey 2 each there own. But I can agree with you on everything else. Secret Life of Pets anybody?
Super Luigi The Secret Life of Pets duology is certainly worth forgetting, and yet Illumination could make +even worse* like The Lorax!
FINALLY someone said what needed to be said. Heck yeah I'm subscribing.
When they said that there was a sequel 14 years later I assumed it'd be Mr. and Mrs. Incredible dealing with being older but still trying to perform as super heros, and their kids doing their own things. and maybe by the end, they can accept that they've done the good that they needed to, and it's time to pass the torch to the younger generation. Oh hey that's a better plot than the incredibles 2. Disney I'll be waiting for the call.
But how would they stuff the movie with super-baby's scenes that way?
@@veronikavartanova4044 You have a force of absolute destruction in your hands. You'll find a way to use Jack-Jack.
@@matthewmazzatto8003 too bad Brad Bird/Disney really seemed to disagree :p
just watch cars 3
@@veronikavartanova4044 Like was said in the video at that point violent or dish would be around the age to spit out some new humans so we stuff it with scenes of their offspring
Incredibles was part of my son's childhood, and my partner and I put quite a bit of effort into finding great media we could all share.
We talked about Incredibles and ideas it raised about superheroes, and about families. So I knew there were lots of great stories to tell, we had imagined lots of them!
So I was excited when I heard there was a sequel.
Seeing it made me sad, and angry.
Watching the review, I see that I haven't retained anything about it at all.
Incredibles 2 was a disappointment at best and a cash grab at worst
Bs
I liked it
@@DuncanWanyoike That's fine, I liked it too. But I do agree it is a bad sequel.
Yup, especially now that superhero movies are at a peak. When the first Incredibles movie came out, Batman Begins and Iron Man 1 wasn't even released yet. Essentially, Incredibles was the first big hit after a long hiatus of superhero movies (well Blade was a comic book character, but not the traditional "superhero" archetype, so it's more like a graphic novel).
The incredicoaster was a better sequel
You're saying this cuz he want him to rent on the incredicoaster only for the fact being that it replaced California Screamin do you
Idk... It is still a very tacky ride for Disney standards.
oh come on it's the exact same ride
It was
Mate what is your profile picture
If only The UnderMiner was the main villian. But no Pixar had to be like "WhO wAnTs A tWiSt ViLlIaN"
Yeah, it's subverting expectations, and it's good. Now shut up.
Jk, you're right. I would have loved The Underminer as the villain.
DaSkinThief, yeah, as though Coco did not have one that was completely absurd and btw, the Underminer would be a terrible villain. He’s just the typical bad guy "I want to get money".
Yeah the underminer had alot of potential to be syndrome's replacement and here are the reasons.
1-he had his own game as a villain.
2-his the one character in the Incredibles saga voiced by John ratzinberger.
3-he appeared in spin-offs like computer games and the boom studios comics.
4-his merchandise for I2 sold way more than screenslaver!
Or they could have had him somewhat connect to the main story.
Joey Jerry well the video game released for the ps2 after the first movie had a very diff type of underminer and that was more interesting than sjw supes bad screens bad sloppy villain
I know i am late for this, but i think that Incridibles 2 should have been a story centered around Violet and Dash. The first Incredibles focused more on the parents relationships, it would make more sense to me storywise that the second story would be about the kids. Kinda like a coming of age story.
Edit: wow thanks guys. If anyone is interested, I have a video in my channel about this. Its not that good, but its my thoughts on this movie.
Yes, I was thinking the same thing too like the government wants to disect the kids because they're "dangerous" and the parents are getting older and are worried about if they can protect their kids. What are the consequences if they keep fighting crime. The kids are captured, Jack Jack saves them with incredibly funny fight scenes etc. The kids realize they can fight crime and be treated like normal people. Everyone sees them as the next generation of supers. Like they're so much wasted potienal...
I don’t care about the movie, elastagirl was thicccccc
LoL
Shams Omair And you are part of the problem.
@@cartoonnetworkdisneyxdsupe6864 nah. He's the solution
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The voice actress is in her 60s
Lmao there's actually people thinking the sequel was better..
😄😄😄😄😄😄
It isn't for me, but it's close.
To me the sequal was good but the first was better I am a huge fan of these movies
called a opinion
Opinions
I think it would be interesting if Jack Jack grew into a villain. Perhaps being able to do anything and being basically Unstoppable and in more control of these powers as he ages, makes him get some kind of God complex. I mean he seems like a threat that really would require all of them working together. Just an idea, perhaps there could be a lot of heartbreak and drama for having to go against their own family.
Mate I love how you use music from 2Pac, Damon Albarn, Daft Punk or Radiohead. It's so neat and it works with the emotions you want to share. Don't know if someone has pointed it out, but mate that's great
I fell like Incredibles 2 was rushed... It is clear that so much effort and thought was put into the original Incredibles, so to see Incredibles 2 not only repeat basically the same themes but worse, but to also throw out half the rules made in the first film (such as charter design), is simply hear wrenching.
One particular nit pick of mine (amoung the usual stuff people talk about, and what I think is a good summary of the rule breaking), is the visual "style". In the original movie, the whole thing was a parody of classic super heros, criticizing how idealized and incosequential cartoon superheros were. The character design was complex and deep, each character had flaws, and was a complex individual. The visual design of the characters (and world) also refected this. While there were some things (like the Incredible mobile and syndromes rocket/robot), they stretch what you would believe, but still felt real enough, and even fit in with the movies timeframe. In this movie we have tiny screens that can fit into goggles, a hydrofoil yacht, and a FREAKING MAGLEV, which are all even somewhat of a stretch TODAY (if the movie was set in the modern world, I would be fine with this, but this is still in the 1960's or whatever year (I don't remember the exact year))! This discontinuity also extends to the characters. All the characters in the previous movie were all designed as humans. At the most a character might have a ridiculous hairdo or a funky outfit (or in Edna's case dwarfism), but they were all real enough to reflect the idea that these people are humans who all have to lead private lives to lead at the end of the day. Now in this movie, helen is now the classic cartoon literal hourglass, violet has stick figure legs, and we even have A FREAKING OWL!!!!!. HOW THE HELL IS OWL GUY SUPPOSED TO LEAD A LIFE WHEN HE IS A FREAKING SENTIENT OWL?!?!?! THE WHOLE POINT OF THE FIRST MOVIE WAS TO ESTABLISH SUPER HEROS AS AVERAGE HUMANS. Even the powers used by the super heros are extreme. Even going through the list of heros only mentioned in the first movie, no one has truly extreme powers, and they all have their limits. Bob has to physically train to regain his superstength. The park family still has these limitations, yet now we have a guy who can crush stuff with his mind, a lady who can make Portal, and a guy who puked literal lava. There is no restriction on how BS and extreme people's powers can be...
This sequel undermines everything the original was trying to criticize and parody. It has no point, and this sequal is now just a normal superhero movie, the same thing the original movie clearly established it wasn't.
They took 14 years and they were "rushed?"
is 14 years rushed?also how extrem to 'to extreme' cause I wouldn't say portals are that extreme
@@Jdudec367 He's saying the film was rushed from the beginning of production to the end of production. Not since the first movie came out. Don't be stupid.
ShandalfGreyhame I know how long do you think the production took?
@@Jdudec367 Obviously not long enough.
I kinda agree, even though I liked the movie, but I have to say something: Helen returning to being a hero is not the same thing as Bob being a hero in the first movie. Bob was more like a workaholic dad that is too busy reliving his days of glory through his job, Helen is more like a full time mom re ingressing into the job market after more than a decade of ONLY taking care of her children. She likes being a mom, of course, but she is finally getting a break, spending time again with adults, having fun and destressing. The time Bob spent with the children in the first movie is like a dad who is rarely home, and when he is he only gets the good parts: going to the movies, playing outside, etc. He isn't there for the hard parts, so he never completely bonds with the kids as a person, and they only have this kinda distant image of him as "my cool dad". Helen dedicated what, 15 years of her life to only raising and loving her kids, she is only getting a break, not abandoning them.
Also yeah, this movie should've happened years into the future.
THANK YOU!
Wow, what a great comment.
I ilked it. The villain motivation was a little contrived this time around, but I liked the concept of the character. I didn't have a problem with the continued negative perception of Supers. The question was asked at the end of the last film if they could come out of hiding; the response was a vague, "...we'll let the politicians handle that." I felt it was a realistic representation of how slowly viewpoints and laws can change. It showed that many citizens were likely still wary of Supers and lawmakers held firm based on those presumptions.
I really think it would've been so much better if they had shown them years later with new problems. It bothered me that the mom, who loved being a stay at home mom all of a sudden out of no where wants to be a working mom. It just didnt really fit her character from the first movie by the end.
Because its
1 . to late
2. Stale
3 . uninspiring
4 . set directly after the first which it shouldn't be it should of been set at least 5 to 10 years later or even real time
like lover Yep. And the only reason it was set right after the first was because they wanted to keep Jack Jack a baby so that he can do all that crazy stuff in this movie 🤦🏽♂️
I wouldn't mind if it was set right after the first film if they decided to focus on the underminer like they did on the video game adaptation.
But yet again I would love to see the Parr family story set in many years after the first film to see what would a grown up Jack-Jack, Dash, and Violet would do as mid-late teens or young adults on how they could manage their super powers and the responsibilities that come up with their maturity.
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catastrophic3 There’s honestly nothing wrong with that
BagHead its a crutch the movie used. They were practically just using Jack Jack as a “look how cute this baby is, forget how bland this movie is” thing. The scenes were enjoyable but unnecessary. I agree that the movie should had been set further in the future, even if it was only a year further.
I hated that this began where the first ended. Everytime some idiot says "the first left off on a cliff hanger!" I want to punch them. No it didn't! The main story was resolved! This is just a shameless cash grab!
does no one remember the video game sequel??? it was resolved 13 years ago!
There's a subtle difference between an open ending and a cliffhanger. A cliffhanger is when *unless we get a follow-up the original story simply doesn't make sense* and feels empty. A cliffhanger's purpose is *external* whereas an open ending's is *internal,* as in, an open ending improves the reception of the story it just finished. It may be something like what the original Incredibles did with the Underminer, it's a way of triumphantly telling the viewers, "those folks are back in business, baby, ain't letting no assholes put them down!" but it can also be the kind of ending Blade Runner did, which allows the viewer to interpret the story in a completely new light but without making it necessary for a sequel to appear to fill in all the blank spots.
@@whodatninja439 What ever made you think the game was canon to the films?
@@whodatninja439 I never played that game, but I clearly remember a PS2 game where you play as Mr. Incredible and Frozone. Rise of the Underminer.
The first Incredibles is my favourite Pixar movie. I was glad I didn’t overhype the sequel in my mind because, in the end, I came out of the theatre after watching Incredibles 2 feeling exactly how I feared I would: _I disliked it._ Something about the movie just feels… off to me, like it’s someone’s fanfiction idea rather than an actual _canon_ sequel. It depresses me just thinking about it. Big yikes.
Huh cool
Yeah I felt disappointed by this movie too.
Don't disrespect Fanfiction, there's probably much better sequels out there written by fans.
I think that I am one of hte only people in the planet that was actually dreading the fact that they were making a sequel for hte incredibles, I did not want it, I did not need it, and it was as worthless as I expected it to be.
Your feelings make a lot of sense. Like NitPix said in his video, we see the characters grow and have character arcs in the 1st movie yet, in this 2nd one, all that character growth is undone by the story. The characters did regress. So I can see why the movie didn't feel canon to you because, from a character development standpoint, it... kinda wasn't canon.
The incredibles 2 is great when you forget how the first one was
Actually though. When I saw this video I thought, “Hey, it wasn’t that bad!” Then he went over the first movie and I just remembered how amazing it was and the incredibles 2 is just so bad by comparison for failing the themes, development, etc.
Well no. I dont think it's that great. The themes arent compelling enough to be considered so. Not even to compare it to Incredibles, but just other Pixar movies.
Indeed, Incredibles 2 is more watchable as its own film than how it fares compared to its only predecessor. But regardless, it is a poorly executed, mean-spirited mess regardless of how powerfully realistic its animation is.
Jeff Smith I never watched the first one, but The second one is garbage.
@@cheese7960 why would you watch the sequel before the original movie. Dumbass
One of the biggest signs of a great TH-cam commentary channel is when they can entertain you with their video even when you disagree with the opinion being given. This video is a prime example. I completely disagree with your assessment on Incredibles 2, but I still really enjoyed this video. Great job and keep it up 👍🏻
Joshua Singh Same
I agree.
Let's be honest. The only good thing about this movie is that Edna Mode appears in it.
At this point Edna is the only good thing about this franchise.
This movie was grate
No Capes!
Let’s be honest. Incredibles 2 is an average animated film. Just average. Not bad. Just bad for Pixar.
It's a lot better than Good Dinosaur.
Justin Stewart God I hate The Good Dinosaur so much.
I can agree to this statement. Idk why everyone thinks this movie is bad. It’s fine.
@@danduhlion people think is bad because we have a point of reference to compare it to, and if we compare it to said point of reference, then the movie is not just mediocre, it is straight up bad, and if we just ignore the original and examine the sequel as its own thing, then it is wrothless, not a bad movie, but a movie that is offering NOTHING beyond one of hte best asses in animation history and some mild entertainment to kill a couple hours with no substance beyond that.
@@danduhlion Because it's not good either
THANK YOU!!! Finally, I find someone who gets it! Why I hated this movie.
I hated this movie because of sjw agenda
Female empowerment is amazing on its own merits because everyone in the world deserves empowerment (not just of themselves, but also of other people) and equal rights, but it’s distractingly annoying how Modern Disney does it!
I have to agree, it didnt add almost nothing new (except more jack jack and edna scenes) to the story. I also didnt like how sometimes, mister incredible was potrayed as almost dumb? Its hard to describe it, to me, he seemed dumber then in the first, but maybe, thats just me.
The agenda of this film is also the women are in charge and the men are only supporting them. Elastigirl fights the villains while Mr Incredible does as she tells him to do.
I agree with you... but I’m still going to be huffing glue. Proudly.
You do you.
I don't think Brad Pitt was very enthusiastic about making a sequel in the first place because he would've done it sooner. The problem is, he was FORCED to do it by the roaring fans (which I understand since the first Incredibles movies is phenomenal!). But usually, if you haven't noticed, the series' or movies that get begged for sequels end up with the sequel to the movie or TV series to be lazily done. Take Avatar: The Last Airbender TV series for example. People wanted a sequel series so badly for so many years until Nickelodeon finally decided that they'd do one, only for it (The Legend of Korra) to be so lazily done, rushed, lack of episodes, and became super controversial in the end that left a bad taste in some people's mouth. With Incredibles 2, I honestly felt underwhelmed, though I did find enjoyment out of it and was cool seeing the characters once again on the big screens. One thing that the sequel did better than the first was the animation in my opinion.
GeneralHappyDeath haha you mean brad bird?
Not to be confused with the popular actor Brad Bird.
no body put a gun to his head or kidnapped his wife and said you gotta do this or else the prick has enough money
@@gkroll8467 Yeah no one did. People just bothered him and Pixar to make a sequel for so many years on the internet.
still he didnt have to do it he could make anything he wants these days, if youre not excited about a project and it shows neither will the audience be thanks@@MrYFM2
Incredibles starts with Mr. Incredible late to his own wedding.
Incredibles 2 ends with Violet late to her first date.
Some part of me thinks that this is so on the nose that it *has* to be intentional.
YouTopia eh
Meh.
Meh
You wanted for Elastigirl to realize how dope it is to be a mom at the end and to that be her arc? Dear God man, do you want Twitter to erupt? You cant send a dangerous messages like that in 2018.
John Snow I mean, Elastagirl already should know the value of being a parent in the first movie so imo she shouldn’t have to “learn it”.
Hedonism and Subversion in Cinema are the only things that Hollyweird like. I blame to much tolerance for lazy ideas and Hillary Clinton's vagina.
There's an alternative opening scene to the original Incredibles (not as effective as the one that made it to the final cut but still, interesting stuff), I rewatched it recently and boy, Disney would _never_ have allowed for this kind of old schoolism to be screened these days (as in, Helen protesting against a rich bitch mocking her for being a stay-at-home mom taking care of baby Violet).
Iger destroyed this company and everything it ever stood for. And in time he will probably bring it down financially too (is he seriously expecting a fucking Dumbo live action remake to turn in another $1b in revenues???).
I mean, that was her view in the first movie. I think the fuck up was that they switched Elastigirl and Mr.Incredible's world views. Which could be fine if, within the film's universe, it didn't occur within 10 minutes
Than that would be exactly like the first movie but with the genders reversed. Also she already knew how dope it was.
WAIT WAIT WAIT HOLD UP THE SECOND? Toy Story 3 was a great film and it basically wrapped up the series...... until toy story 4
No, toy story 3 was a reskin of toy story 2 that got away with it because of M U H N O S T E L G I A A A
@@murciadoxial8056 That is kinda true but the 3rd movie better explored the theme of a kid outgrowing their toys. The 2nd movie ends with Woody basically deciding that he wants to be there for Andy even though he knows Andy will eventually outgrow him one day. The 3rd movie ends with Andy, having outgrown the toys, passing them onto the next generation and the toys being at peace with his decision. So, while the 3rd had a similar story structure to the 2nd, Andy giving up his toys at the end of the 3rd made that movie feel final. Like all the characters had moved on and there was no more story left to tell. Because of that, it didn't feel as much of a capitalising on M U H N O S T E L G I A A A as the 4th one does (or at least it doesn't to me). Toy Story 3 was a cash grab that was also a beautiful end to a beloved franchise. Toy Story 4 is just a cash grab.
@@knucklescapricorn31 now i agree with you but i would not call it a cash grab but more of a took things from toy story 2 and enhanced them with toy story 3 when the day finally came when Andy leave's them. both are great sequels but i worry toy story 4 will not be very good because the story already was finished
@@thehatohyeahyeah5141 That's fair enough. I generally see all sequels as cash grabs because studios usually make them just to make money and not because they have more story to tell. Studios seem to prefer to re-hash known IPs that are guaranteed to make them money than try to invest in new IPs (this is pretty evident with Disney and how they are doing live-action re-makes of old stories instead of creating new stories). But you are right, Toy Story 3 was great and an improvement on Toy Story 2.
It's still gonna win the Oscar tho coz it's Disney.
It might get best animated movie which it deserves because the animation is beautiful but the plot could use some improvement
Maybe it's finally Phil Lord and Chris Miller time for an Oscar
Well either its ralph breaks the internet or Incredibles 2
@@davidthosome623 uhmmm into the Spiderverse?!
@@nuggetmancer9402 yeah spiderverse could be in the mix now. Animation way better than incredibles. But as I said Disney will win
Incredibles 2, Toy Story 4. I think Pixar has officially caught the bad sequel bug
Just please don't give Wall E a sequel. Just please don't.
Neither Rattatouille
@angellopes9353 or Coco and Up
The only reason Elastic Girl accepts the job is because Mr. Incredible convinced her that it was a good thing for the kids so they have a choice of being supers instead of pretending to be normal. So she doesn't do it to relive her glory days. All your other points are good tho
FaustoPebles The Elastagirl comments made no sense. Helen literally said she was doing this to give her kids a choice and when Bob was acting like he wasn’t okay she said she would come right back. She cares about her kids and Bob. Apparently he cares more about making a statement than paying attention to the movie.
@Michael Klump Helen even jokes that shes a hypocrite before her first mission
@Michael Klump This. They set Helen's arc up well, but it got lost in the middle of the movie, like most of the other arcs as well.
I really didn't get why people wanted the sequel for Incredibles. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed the first Incredibles, but I thought the first one was a complete story. No sequel needed
So did Brad Bird... until he needed money.
Disney had been "announcing" a sequel for years, because they knew it would make tons of cash. But Bird held the creative rights. Whenever someone asked, like in an interview, he kept saying there would only (and he used the word ONLY) be a sequel if he 'had the right story to tell'. Then a few of his high budget movies did poorly (read: Tomorrowland), and he needed to cash in quick on a sure bet, lest studios see him as past-prime.
And so we get the half-baked, lowest common denominator, plastic keys jingling in our face that is Incredibles 2.
I wanted a sequel, because the first one had incredible characters that would easily lend themselves to a sequel as long as Brad Bird was creating it. I thought Brad Bird couldn't make a bad sequel, because his writing and directing had been shown to be simply great.
Because it is such a complete world with well-rounded characters. I feel like there are so many stories to tell with the Incredibles, especially being that they are superheroes, that I personally wanted to hear more from. But unfortunately, this ain't it.
That's exactly the problem with Pixar sequels when the original is a complete story what more room is there to expand? Toy Story seems to be the only one that worked. The incredibles 2, Finding Dory and Monsters University backtrack on what the original films do, Monsters University is a prequel so I guess you could argue it doesn't apply.
@@nothinggood2696 Even Ralph Breaks the Internet is pale in comparison to the original, and like you said it backtracked what the original did and retread the same plot point over again, the only difference is that it's Disney's version of Emoji movie.
Does this happen because the director/writer doesn't give a damn or because the studio forces the movie to be finished quickly because they don't give a damn?
Gustav1990 most likely the studio, studios never care about the quality of the film
@@ceoofbananas2002 Definitely. I'm sure brad bird really wanted to make a sequel if it was good enough. He never found a good enough idea and Disney got impatient especially after it became well known people wanted Inc 2. I think he tried his best with what I assumed was a lot of pressure to make this when he didn't want to.
I'm sure there's plenty of talent at Pixar who would have helped him come up with a half decent idea.
Well pixar is a studio that respects story so they did they can
@Aldrich Leblanc maybe do you know