4" vs 4.5" B.A.M. Sticks Slip-on Exhaust Sound & Look Comparison - TAB Performance
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- Join Sean from TAB Performance as he dives into the key differences between our 4" and 4.5" B.A.M. Sticks slip-on exhausts for Harley-Davidson. In this comprehensive video, Sean explores the visual appeal, pricing, and most importantly, the sound distinction between these two options. m360.us/5de7
Whether you prefer the sleek fit of the 4" on standard bags or the fuller look of the 4.5" with stretched bags, this video has you covered. Plus, with a detailed sound comparison, you'll hear firsthand how the larger can of the 4.5" B.A.M. Sticks provides a deeper tone by dampening higher frequencies more effectively. We even put these exhausts to the test on both stock and modified bikes to help you make the best choice for your ride.
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I just installed the 4.5” I got for Christmas and they sound incredible. Perfect volume, torque, and HP for what I wanted. Everyone that has heard them so far has been blown away.
Buonasera,hai dovuto modificare la carburazione ?se é si ,direttamente dal originale ho hai dovuto aggiungerne una
On this vid I would choose the 4.5 pipe sounds deeper and easier on the ears
Damn this is exactly what I wanted to see. I think the 4” on the special is what I’m looking at.
This is an excellent video they sounded good my fav is the cam loping idle on the black one.
We love that sound as well.
I love y’all’s products.
4.5 looks and sounds awesome!!
Just added the 4.5 Bam stick with the zombie baffle to my 23 Indian roadmaster dark horse, and it looks and sounds fantastic so deep and rich! The phone speakers don't do it justice! And with the slash tips "upside down" it matches the lines of the bags perfectly, can't wait to break them in and get an even better sound!!!!
Love my TAB BAM
I have the 4" on my 2020 Road King and they sound great. Eventually I want new header pipes and cam with a tuner.
That special with cams and the 4" sounds amazing! The loping idle coupled with the great sound of the 4" Zombies is fantastic!
Couldn't agree more!
TAB Performance, Inc. what cam is in the black SG?
Great sound!
Just bought my tab 4.5 zombie baffles , stock 2017 roadglide . I’m beyond happy sound is amazing for m8. Fast shipping product was as promised can’t wait to be able to afford a header and tune. If your shopping for mufflers they have my vote.
Sounds awesome....man I wish I'd have got these instead of the cobra nh's.... I'll be buying these soon.... Thanks for making an awesome muffler
Thank you for the kind words, hope to hear from you soon, stay safe.
I have the 4.5 50 calswith zombie baffles with true duels on my 22sg....tune and heads its ear peircing loud when I get up on her I love it
Love my pipes from Tab performance
All I want for Christmas is my 2 bam sticks !! Doing promtional content will ride these till the warranty is up
Is no one going to say anything about that cam loping idle on black betty? Damn that sounds badass!
She is sexy
I was thinking the same! One of the best M8 idle sounds I’ve heard. What cam is it??
All info on the cam can be found here along with the install DIY video. www.tabperformance.com/product-p/red-shift-cam-kit.htm
Love my 50 cal with zombie baffles. I would like to recommend that tab performance make a turndown tip for the 50 cal slip-ons, please. This would hide the left side slip-on that gets dirty. 😊
Im digin the 4"
Damn that cam though!!! 💯 Luv the way both sound.
We are a tad biased, but when you get a cam in the new bikes with the zombies they really wake up.
@@TABPerformance What cam are you using here?
Red Shift 468 www.tabperformance.com/product-p/red-shift-cam-kit.htm
@@TABPerformance Thanks
@@TABPerformance is the 468 like a torque cam lower rpm .
I put on the 4.5 with the 2.5 baffles and love them
4" RC components slip ons with the D&D head pipe is best on my 2016 SGS
Mine show up on Wednesday I can't wait
Awesome!
I installed the 4" w/Zombie baffle as part of my stage I. Loved them. When I did stage II with the Redshift 468 and open headers I was blown away from the change in sound and volume increase. Love them more. Question...a Harley tech told me the M8 loves back pressure. Do you think the open headers with the Zombies lost me too much back pressure? Should I put a different baffle in them? How much volume would I lose? I've used an autotuner since my stage I, so it's never been on a dyno. I have to go on faith that the provided map has it tuned optimally. I wish I had done things differently. I also saw a video on TH-cam showing a device called Thunder Torque inserts. Do you think something like that might be beneficial?
4.5 sounds great
Thanks for the feedback.
I prefer the looks of the 4" and the sound of the 4 1/2".
the difference is the tip whoch you can change. comes stock, flat or slashed
Hello, I just purchased a 2021 FLHP 114. I would like to get more sound for my bike and with the 4" slip-on is it necessary to tune my bike?
Every sounds better with the stock head pipe in the trash. But the all sound really good!
i have the 4" bam sticks withe the zombie bafffels with the cones and I love them had S&S 4.5" the Tabs are much louder and I love them
But torque though??? Does anyone know the low to mid torque differences between the two baffles (Zombie vs 2.5 Louvered)? Common M8 logic would suggest you get more torque and back pressure from a more restrictive baffle. Anyone dyno compare the two?
Hey john how about you guys drop these slip on for other motorcycle manufacturers besides Harley and Indian
4.5 sound better for me.
I’m trying to find the muffler that’s has a Lille more bark than stock . I leave at 5am for work and I’m trying to be a good neighbor
I feel the same way trying to be a good neighbor leaving for work at 2am 😂😂😂
I guess another plus for the 4” is that you can use the stock CVO heat shields? You said they both had the 2.5” Zombie baffles. I thought the option was Zombie OR 2.5”. Please clarify what baffles were installed. Thanks
So the zombie baffle is a 2.5" diameter as well, but it doesn't have the louvers like the louvered core one so this is a zombie baffle in the video.
TAB Performance, Inc. thanks for clearing that up. Great channel. Keep up the good work. I will spread the word here in the UK about your awesome product.
We definitely appreciate that. We are making great strides stateside but would love to increase our international exposure. Any help from great customers like you goes a long way :)
I’ll be buying a set soon
Great news! Let us know if you have any questions, we are available 402-413-5090
@@TABPerformance will do
RS468 bolt on cam?
Hey man, whats the difference between the 4" red bike and 4" black bike? I love the sound of the black bike. Im looking forward to complete my order on the webpage, however after seeing this video, the 4" or 4.5" on the black bike is the sound im looking for. I have now a V&H dresser duals with monster square and im tired now of that sound,im looking for something more loud and deeper. Do ya' guys think that reusing my dresser duals with the bam sticks and zombie baffle would make this sound happen? I have FP3, screaming eagle cables and screaming eagle spark plugs
So the black bike is a 114 vs the 107 on the red bike, but the bigger difference is the black bike has our headers and a RS468 Cam Kit installed on it. The dresser duals wouldn't be an issue using but the true duals won't have the balanced performance of a 2-2 like our part number 123-2203. Your set-up will not sound like the black bike though without a cam upgrade, which we have those kits available on our site as well.
What’s everyone’s a opinion on which one sounds louder
Either way,
She sounds pissed.
I like that.
I should have bought Tab the first time instead of what I got BUT I did just purchase your headpipe and slip ons.
Thank you for watching and giving us a look :)
me too it was between tab and v&h and i picked v&h and i hate them, wish i would have gotten tab
I did not notice any difference between 4 and 4.5 on either bike. Make s me feel better with My 4 inch Rhineharts. Thanks.
How do you like the Rhineharts? I really feel I missed the mark with the zombie baffles?
What did you miss the mark on? We have other baffle options that may fit your personal preference better. You can run 2.5 louvered, 2.5 louvered with no fiberglass, or one of each depending what header you have to better fit your personal preference for much less than new mufflers.
@@TABPerformance I have already discussed this with somebody at tab performance. I saw one of the videos on your website that said torque cones would help lower that note a little bit. So I ended up buying torque cones. Now I'm being told that shouldn't have happened I should have just bought different baffles. I really do appreciate all the help as your guys service seems top-notch. I mean I posted online I was unhappy with the product and I've been contacted multiple times to help fix it. A+ ON CUSTOMER SERVICE. As far as the Mufflers I've spent $650 on the Mufflers spent $150 torque cones and now I'm being told I should have just bought new baffles and that's another hundred dollars. At this point I'm married to these things but if someone wants to swap or are willing to trade I think I'd be for it. I have a 2019 Street Glide Special and I ride it a lot. I've got about 27,000 miles on it and in the Northeast that's quite an accomplishment. I've heard many other pipes that sound awesome and I always ask people what setup they're running and unfortunately it's never a TAB performance muffler. I am not bitter about it but I really wish I would have researched more before I purchase the product. When it comes to slip-ons with no head pipe they are great because they get the most volume but the tone is just not there. To each his own. Not disrespecting the product as they are holding up way better than the S&S pipes that have already rusted and had to replace. My only opinion is if you want that nice, loud, deep rolling thunder sound of a touring machine I feel Imissed the mark.
@@Kashmirknight at first I did not like them but as I ride and brake in, they are awesome.
@@Kashmirknight Tell you what man. I love my Rhinehart slim headers and 4" Rhinehart slip-ons but I should have checked out Khrome Works header and slip-ons. They say you don't loose your low end torque. Check out Traveling tall on youtube titled "what makesKhrome werks slip-ons so great!
I heard a lot of people getting rid of those for chrome works because once you get to full wind. They lose their deep tone.
We have other baffle options for folks who don't like the zombie baffles.
The answer is simple. It’s 5.0! The real question is why their website doesn’t show head pipes available for 2010 FLHXSE. That truly baffles and disappoints me.
Please check the Race Use Only section for those.
@@TABPerformance Thank you very much! I would have never thought to look there since the search by bike doesnt show it as an option. Thanks again.
What year is the black one and which cam does it have? Sorry if I missed that part. Thanks!
2019 SGS with a Red shift 468 Cam
Are those 2-1-2 or 2-2 headers??
Just bought a 2019 RGS. These sound great in this video, but most other videos online distort the sound, or make them sound "tinny". The zombie baffle everyone likes, but not many videos make them sound good online- high pitched automotive sounding. I am Torn
What header you use and what cam also makes a difference. Make sure you are paying attention to that. Our videos of these baffles and mufflers usually states what has been done to the bike either in the video or the description. We also have a little deeper note from the 4.5s.
@@TABPerformance If I purchase a set of mufflers and get them with the zombie baffles, do they also come with your stock baffles, or just the baffles you choose with purchase?
There is not really a stock baffle so it will just come with the one you select. If you want to change out you can order either one.
Will these work on a 2020 freewheeler?
I currently have the V&H twin slash mufflers with fuel Moto jackpot header but want better sound and and louder
It depends on the header you have and which one you are looking at 4 or 4.5. I recommend contacting our customer support number 402-413-5090 during business hours and let the guys know what you have and they can get photos or whatever they need to help you out. Generally speaking if the stock mufflers would fit that header then ours will too and it would be te 1995-2016 4" mufflers that fit. The 4.5 for Trike are coming.
Do you make or plan to make zombie baffles universal to put in other manufactures exhaust?
No we will not make a universal one.
2019 Street Glide Special. I loved these when I first got them. I see other bikes that sound very healthy and never do they have tab performance on them. These have absolutely no tone. Since putting a head pipe it sounds loud but you still don't get the Rolling Thunder feel. Rhineharts I think sound way better. Then I just had to blow another $150 on torque cones hoping I can get the tone a little.🙄 deeper. To each his own I quess.
Definitely, everyone has their own taste. It seems like you they were a great fit for the bike and your tastes until you went with a header. That said, I wouldn't have recommended torque cones for that, we would recommend a baffle swap (which is less expensive and way less than a new set of mufflers) 2.5" louvered will be similar to other brands internals and you can go with or without fiberglass to pump up the rumble a little.
@@TABPerformance well they were a great fit for the bike when it had the stock header. You could at least get some sound and make a difference. They never had that deep Rumble. That being said 650 for muffler, 150 for torque cones, now another 100 for different baffles. The moral of this story is dont buy without hearing them in person. Now I'm basically married to them.🤔 I will say quality seems top notch. Hopefully the cones will help.
I hear you, it does help if you can hear in person. Why are you spending 150 on the torque cones though? That is not going to help deepen rumble that I believe you are after. It will help finetune performance and add to low end that was lost during the header swap (from the open baffles) but the baffles would negate a need for the torque cones. You could purchase the baffles for 95 return the 150 torque cones and probably end up much closer to your goal.
It is impossible without being in person, but just trying to help keep your costs down. You definitely aren't wrong on your statements about cost, but if we can keep down the cost to just the baffles, then this would still be a better option than had you purchased other mufflers, end up un happy and have no option for baffle change and then you are out the 650 (or more for rinehart) plus another 650 for the next set of mufflers. We do try our best to help our customers keep the mufflers they originally purchased while they add to their bike without needing and whole new set.
@@TABPerformance I decided to go with the torque cones due to a video that I found on your guys's website. I've heard so many other people say they got the two and a half inch baffles and we're not happy with how loud they were.
th-cam.com/video/pU0Gg_uUx7U/w-d-xo.html
I will probably end up recouping some of my money back on eBay to offset the cost of a new mufflers if I cannot find "the sound"
They all sound like my head would buzz after a couple hundred miles. I normally do some long miles and think these would get to me in a short time.
Gabriel we also have a 1.75 louvered baffle which would run much quieter if that is more your speed.
Actually there is ZERO droan, I do 150 to 200 mile rides and my 4.5 bam sticks with zombie baffles on my 2021 road king special gives me no headaches or wishing I had different mufflers
Is there any performance advantage going with the 4 1/2’s
No performance advantage at all. 4 and 4.5 are equal in that regard.
Cool thanks for answering just got the new 2020 police bike with the 114 will be going with one of your pipes
My exaust clamp was very tight to get around the tab pip I’ve bought tab in the past and it was no headache at all I couldn’t sleep last night thinking bout that damn exaust leak after getting clamps pipes on to bike the leaks on the right side what do I do use that high heat silicone I think it’s permetex? I watched a million videos and no one talks about exaust leak
You can use Permatex copper that works very well on an exhaust joint. If the clamps were difficult to get on it could also be that they are stretched and may not be tightening down fully. 9 out of 10 times we install mufflers the clamps can be reused, but occasionally one that is over torqued or just to many times being thermal cycled they can need replacing.
And my dealer recommended me to get a tune and new headers due to fuel air ratio
The tune really depends on how it is running and what you have done. If you just do slip-ons most people get away without tuning the bike, but it certainly will help. A header will also help as well as reduce heat improving rider comfort and performance.
22 Road Glide Special, I have decatted stock header, with cobra neighbor hater slip-ons.. what the 4 1/2-in with zombie baffles be much louder?.
They will be louder, how much is subjective so we won't go as far as to say how much, but if you read our reviews we have lots of customers who have made that same switch with happy results.
@@TABPerformance thank you
Dude that black bike sounds fucking ridiculous!!!!! Wow!!!!
Thanks!
I’m looking for TAB 4.5” black slip ones for my 2021 FLHXS street glide special, what’s the availability for this?
In stock, just go to our website and you can place your order direct with free shipping.
@@TABPerformance Hi Guys, I’m keen to purchase the TAB 4.5” black tab stick slip on’s for my 2021 Street Glide Special but I’ve purchased my hog we’re I live in the UK, so will these be compatible with my bike model, as I’ve seen on your site that it says not compatible with international model, is there a modification I can get to suit, or is there a specific issue that they will not fit?
@@TABPerformance Hi Guys, thanks for the reply, just checking that my International UK bike model FLHXS 2021 Street Glide Special, that I will be able to fit the TAB 4.5” black stick slip on’s
Are both bikes 107’s with the black bike just having a head pipe and the RS468?
The orange one is 107 with stock breather and stock header, just pipes and a tune. The black one is 114 with our headpipe, our zombie breath intake, RS468, and of course our mufflers.
Do you have a sound clip comparing the louvered baffle vs the zombie ?
Yes this video should have both if you scroll through the clips, but we have several other sound clip comparisons videos.
@@TABPerformance Yes, I found it. Thanks!
What bars are you running on your black street glide?
The ones on the video are Factory 47
This is the set up I am looking for. I am interested to learn more about the 2-2 or 2-1-2 with the Zombie baffles an 4-1/2 slashed tips. I am more set on the 2-2 headers. Any knowledge and opinions is highly appreciated.
We have a video on the channel breaking down the difference between both headers that will be helpful. It is a recent one.
@@TABPerformance I’ve already viewed the video, I feel the video’s do not do much justice to help understand fully, as far as hearing it in person.
I agree with that, but the video I am talking about explains the differences and gives you verbal opinions and talks you through more than I can do on here. There should be a recent video where Sean talks through each style.
@@TABPerformance thank you, I will look for it.
HOW DO THEY COMPARE TO THE RINEHART DBX
Great question, we don't have any videos comparing, but you can hop on #zombienation on Facebook and get some feedback from customers who have run both. There should be a few on that group who have made the switch.
Please tell us what cam is in that black bike
That would be the RS468 Kit. www.tabperformance.com/product-p/red-shift-cam-kit.htm
If i install the 4.5, can i keep my stock CVO heat shield?
Sorry havent ever tried but the stock are 4" so I would assume you would have to stay 4" to keep shields. I know that works very well
TAB Performance, Inc. I have the 4.5 installed on my CVO RG 2019 and managed to keep the stock heat shields on.
Hey there, would you mind sending some photos in to sales@tabperformance.com so we can see. That will be very good news for some of our customers.
TAB Performance, Inc. Sent 😊
@@TABPerformance could i also get a pic as its exactly what im doing also : itommo1312@gmail.com
How is the powder coating on your slip-ons with stock headers
I am a little confused, are you asking if they match well to the stock shields? If so the answer is yes.
Sorry I should have specified a little better how do they hold up with the stock headers because I know the stock headers they get a lot warmer compared to aftermarket headers. I've had a set of black slip-ons that started the fade out after just two weeks of riding with stock headers.
They will hold up well. They will hold up every bit as good as the stock mufflers do. The coatings are pretty much identical and we have never had any issue with that. We do recommend a tune though to stay out of a lean running condition to keep the bike cooler even if it is just the SE Pro Street
Awesome!!! Thanks for the information. 🤘🇺🇸🤘🇺🇸🤘
What cam is in the street glide??
www.tabperformance.com/product-p/red-shift-cam-kit.htm
Can I install 4.5 to Samson headers?
Not sure if the Samson headers work with stock slip-ons then yes, if not then no.
Is that price for the pair?
The prices on our website are for a set unless you are looking at end caps those are sold individually. The set does come with your choice of end caps on the initial purchase.
Do the 4.5s fit a tri glide
Not yet, we are looking into an option to allow for that but currently no.
4" sound better
Do you offer 4.5 for indians
Sorry, we do not.
What cam is in the black bike??
Red Shift 468
www.tabperformance.com/product-p/red-shift-cam-kit.htm
@@TABPerformance Thanks for the reply, cam has a nasty ass lope that I love.
They both got to have the same motor in the bikes in order for this test to work bro 🤣🤦🏻♂️
The video explains the difference with them sitting side by side and then if you skip to the sound clips it shows the orange bike with both muffler options and then the black bike with both options so you have a back to back comparison of both mufflers with both bikes under the exact same conditions, but thanks for the feedback bro. :)
neither... 5" with zombie bafs, and torture cones.
Drastic difference between the two sizes.
Thanks for checking out the video.
@@TABPerformance coming back and listening to them again a year later. I still think the 4" sounds better than the 4.5". Both in this video, and in person. Deeper tone, and actually louder in oerson than the 4.5".
You don't say anything about performance
That is because the baffle impacts performance not the size of the muffler diameter. This is a video discussing the difference between our muffler sizes and which is best and what the differences are.
How are you going to compare 4 vs 4.5 when you also changed every other factor in play.
Different cam
Different rear cut
Different head pipe
Different saddlebag
🙄🙄
If you watch the video in completion, we show the visual difference on the bikes with different bags, etc. then do sound clips of the 4" on both and the 4.5" on both.
Might help if you actually watch
What about 4.5 inch and Vince and hines headers are the sound be good. Plz can for help me