As a Roman Catholic, I thank you Father Calvin for respecting my faith. I get tired of people just casually bashing my fellow Catholics and it's refreshing to hear men of God who may not exactly be Catholic, but have my respect and admiration well enough. Thank you.
@@OzCrusader please no. He should stay with Christ, not the papacy. You know the pope is a total heretic right? He’s on the woke side, not on Calvin’s side.
@@OzCrusaderWhy would he do that? What benefit would it be to him? The same ideology that has taken over the Church of England is taking over the Church of Rome. The only difference is that the Church of Rome is 30 years behind the Church of Rome. 30 years from now the Church of Rome will be in the exact place the Church of England is in currently. So, unless Rev. Calvin is planing on a short life switching to the Church of Rome is a waste of time and is a solution to nothing.
@Mi-bi6ez superstition is a loaded word and can mean a variety of similar things. I think it just might be ignorance, I don't care for prattle from Anglican Protestants. I just won't bow into typical claims from protestants frequently thrown at me, but Father Robertson hasn't so he at least had my respect.
He certainly is. He's like the grownup in every room he walks into. Gentle wisdom. A national treasure that hopefully will one day be recognized by the Brits.
Thank you Father Calvin for letting me know about the ACNA. I've been curious about rediscovering Christianity here in the states but the US churches are... peculiar. Knowing there's a conservative Anglican branch gives me hope and I'm going to go seek out my local congregation.
The Puritan defacing of saints and angels (as 'malarkey': Hebrew for 'angel') and their abolition of Christmas, made them so unpopular in the UK they got put on a boat at Plymouth, and landed on the Rock on which US churches are founded.
@@Damian.Williams For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
@@tr1084 I know you probably believe Paul over Messiah my friend... But Paul is hard to understand that's why scripture gives us a warning about his writings... It's shameful for a man to be ruled over, the head of every man is Messiah not another man... Now I praise you, brothers, that you remember me in all things, and hold firm the traditions, even as I delivered them to you. But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. 1 Corinthians 11:2-3 Here Peter warned us about those who would twist Paul's writings and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters , in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the Lawless, 2 Peter 3:15-17
Great to see the Free Church of England getting some promotion! They're a humble lot, but as the CofE crumbles into heresy and apostasy the FCE stands firm on God's Word. Its also lovely to see a Highchurchman entering the FCE, it needs to be broad in practice and strict on theology. God bless you Fr Calvin, keep up the good work.
Fully agree. Tradition and ceremony serve as time proven bonds to society (as human nature carries on as always as it wishes - in variations of descret secret if necessary) and as barometers to society's collapse.
As an Anglican, I believe that you guys are similar to us and I would gladly speak. But there are certain doctrinal issues that keep us apart, I pray that will not be the case in the future.
Fr. Calvin is Anglican but Catholic in the tradition of Richard Hooker. Beauty in the Catholic tradition is adiaphora. So grateful to have found him in social media.
@@Kitiwake Richard Hooker was a contemporary of William Shakespeare. He wrote The Laws of Ecclesiastical Polity in defence of Catholic worship. He wrote to oppose Puritans who wanted to destroy any trace of apostolic succession.
I suppose you could see the church, the stained glass and the gold items as the collective prayer of the community. Glorifying God with the efforts and resources of the worshippers. Given freely. I'm not religious but I believe such things are of enormous importance.
I've started thinking of Orthodox Iconography as a kind of pre medieval comic/graphic novel where the images and text tell the same story weaving back and forth. That is really cool. I also quite like that the puritans gave us America, which is anything but bland and boring. The Pennsylvania settlers were so strict on usury that bankers had to create a national bank and backdoor it into Pennsylvania just to gain an eventual foothold. Both have a tremendous amount of merit.
Thing is the puritans lost steam and become incredibly secular. Without guard rails it’s easy to go weird. Which is basically what’s happened to almost every Protestant denomination
Thank you for what you do. I left the church ages ago because it didn't fit the gospel teachings. I was torn because I was taught it was the church teaching that I was to follow yet also from reading the bible I could see how the church has been more concerned in the number of butts in the seats than speaking truths
Correction: When Pope Gregory sent his people to the Isles they discovered the Apostolic church was already there - the Celtic Expression. That's always been issue with Rome - it wants to dominate and take over. That's not the fruit of the Spirit.
Pope Adrian IV even authorized the Norman King to impose the Roman Rite Catholicism on the island of Ireland who practiced the Celtic form of Christianity that Patrick taught.
As a roman Catholic (American) who doesn't want to be a papist and feels disillusioned with the institutions from coronatarianism, Father Calvin pitch does seem appealing.
@haronsmith8974 1. I am not an apostate but what I am talking about is the Church shouldn't give in to coronatarianism. Don't you think that should be a red flag? 2. And the commie pope is the one speaking heresy so take that up with him. 3. You're a moron, I've been Catholic my whole life, I don't need some cringe trad-cath-come-lately telling me what they think about apostasy, that's not even what apostasy means, I've been confirmed for 16 years.
@@haronsmith8974 1. I did not renounce my faith, I said that I am disappointed with the church for giving into COVID tyranny, which would have been unthinkable only a few decades ago 2. Feel free to defend the heresies of the commie pope 3. I don't need a trad-cath-come-lately telling me about apostasy (which he apparently doesn't even know the definition of) I've been Catholic my whole life, confirmed for 16 years.
@@haronsmith8974 1. I did not renounce my faith, I said that I am disappointed with the church for giving into government tyranny, which would have been unthinkable only a few decades ago 2. Feel free to defend the heresies of the c*mmie pope. Basically all Jesuits are heretics, I had the unfortunate privilege of going to a Jesuit college 3. I don't need a trad-cath-come-lately telling me about apostasy (which he apparently doesn't even know the definition of) I've been Catholic my whole life, confirmed for 16 years.
The argument for having gold and beauty in church is not just that it’s nice and inspires awe, but God Himself directed for lots of gold and bronze and color in His Temple. So, clearly God has no problem with those things.
4:30 On this note, just go back to the Old Testament and read about the design off the temple in Jerusalem and the Arc, and then tell me it's indulgent to have awe inspiring churches. And that was God's design. When I went to Rome and saw Saint Peter's Basilica my main thought was - if you would convert to Catholicism anywhere, this would be the place. It is the most beautiful church I have seen in my life. And I have seen a fair share of churches through my travels around Europe. Simplicity can be nice, but I would be lying if I ever claimed the gorgeous Catholic churches didn't tingle me and make the church-going experience just a little bit better.
8:00 Calvin is spot on with this. we need to focus on what we have in common more than what divides us. While surely some things are good and correct and others are... not, and it's certainly possible for some sect or other to believe some real heresy (which is a label i don't think we should use lightly), I think that anyone genuinely seeking out God has his soul in the right place, even if the backwardness of his theology needs some correcting. I've attended both protestant and catholic ceremonies and have certainly felt the presence of God in both. we should take time to remember that we're squabbling brothers, not bitter enemies.
Strongly recommend the Movie "Cromwell", to anyone who is interested in the Civil War period and the Puritans versus Cavaliers conflict, Richard Harris is excellent as the pious Cromwell and it has a excellent cast of accomplished English actors of the period, I always thought it ironic that Harris an Irishman from Limerick and educated by the Jesuits would be cast to play a Englishman whose name is almost a cuss word in Ireland. While as a Historical Movie it is way above many others as to accuracy it does take some liabilities as to who said what, but it does get most of it right and it explains some of the idiosyncratic traditions around the Kings opening of Parliament.
I have a ton of respect for my High Anglican brothers and sisters, as I grew up in a very Anglo-Catholic parish in the Deep South. Once I saw even my extremely conservative parish get straddled with a priest giving DEI masses and blaspheming, I went on a journey that led me to the history of the Oxford Movement, St. John Henry Newman, and inevitably to Rome. I pray that one day my Anglo-Catholic brothers and sisters can be reunited in communion with Rome. Anglican Ordinariate parishes are a jewel of the Catholic Church in the english speaking world. Sadly they are few in number. I pray one day they’re common and full of former Protestants like myself that have returned home. I was so ashamed at how the Ordianiate in London treated Fr. Calvin a few years ago. It was a great opportunity lost because of the pride of a liberal priest. Hopefully they reconcile in the future. God bless all
I take your point that you need an alter adorned with precious metals and jewels, but to the awakened these things are an anathema. Such opulence whilst impressive was designed to show how rich and powerful the was (past tense) As you stated recently Calvin, church are not built with such opulence and magnificence any longer. The gravy bait has run dry. Can you honestly imagine Jesus endorsing such egocentric monument to self! Absolutely not. The awakened don’t look externally to connect with the Devine, they simply connect - awaken - the Devine within!
I live a secular life, coming from a background of traditional Catholic/protestant Jewish come Muslim, yes its complicated being a cockney lol my people left it to me to find my path, at 66 still seeking but I will defend any rights that do not infringe upon mine...
I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian, and I am glad to see Father Calvin is not part of the woke established Anglican Church. I am glad he sees that the Protestants, while correct to be opposed to overbearing Papism, have completely over-corrected by throwing tradition out of the window. In our Church, we don't have the Pope as the head of the Church, and we don't even have our Ecumenical Patriarch as head of the Church, we have Christ at the head of the Church. I think Father Calvin would be a great fit for the Orthodox Church, but I understand the Orthodox Church might be a little bit foreign for most people in Britain.
Do agree, It's not about whether it's Catholic or too Catholic but is it Christian substantiated in scripture itself. If there is anything people should take from this it's that.
I’m Protestant and have no time for mere earthly priesthood which Christ abolished. There is no more sacrifice, “ it is finished “ . There is no need for alters and incense and the superstition of making the sign of the cross .
I’m a Baptist and can see quite a lot of your arguments, but I just can’t quite get on board with all the saints days and pageantry. We’re kind of sticks in the mud that way.
As a Catholic, I can see your point of view and, at least in a theological context, actually agree with you. However, I see it merely as an expression of culture and tradition to honor them and less to deify them. But I can completely see why many Protestant denominations can't get on board with it. To each their own I say, which makes every kind of Christian a bit unique and different, in a good way that is. All I know my friend is we are Christians before being Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, Mormon etc. And I support your right to worship as you please. There's a common assault on all of Christendom and we need to stick together. We are all the historic faith of the West, and all of our sects and denominations are being subverted or destroyed in the Western World. Christians, nonbelievers of Christian background/heritage and anyone who is fond of Christianity regardless of background are all in a common struggle as far as I can tell. That's my perspective though, not trying to put words in your mouth one way or the other. I appreciate your perspective and wish the best.
More importantly: Will protestants realize that they were in part correct and see that the Catholics fixed the problems they complained about and come back to the mother church?
@@TchHry catholics still fancy mother Mary way too much and the practice of asking dead to pray for you seems to get twisted way too often into praying to the dead saints as if one would pray to God.
One as bibletarded as the other.. No difference and the satanic juice penned the script after the RCC was founded by God whom was crucified in Rome btw.
@@hindenpeter2.04 Christ wasn’t crucified in Rome and the Catholic Church has long since evolved past the time of St Peter in ways that he did not intend hence why the Orthodox Church seeks to be as close to gods original plan as possible.
Lovely. Keep in mind, that, even when you believe you’ve found the fitting spot, you will always have to make a choice and pick a side until you arrive at Truth
In all fairness, the cofe’s via media is not a middle ground between Rome and Geneva, but between Geneva and Zurich. Bear in mind Thomas Cartwright was advocating for Presbyterian polity in the court of HM Elizabeth I. The cofe was very, very nearly Presbyterian - easy to forget now. Also, there were royalist puritans, and puritans who were very happy with aesthetics. It is common now in the dissident right to speak badly of puritans; I’m thinking specifically of that terribly basic take of Doyle and Starkey, re woke as the ‘new puritans’. It’s historically ill informed and politically ill fitting, disproven by a cursory reading of any major English puritan. Go and read pilgrim’s progress, which shaped Anglican piety as much as any other text of devotion. (Her Late Majesty EII read from it in her first Christmas broadcast.) If the stereotype of the dour, whitewashed puritan is true, then why do the archetypal puritan characters dance? Why do they sing? Why do look at Christian art? That’s your first sign that we’re not engaging with real history here. The second will come in the form of their original works. Id heartily recommend Watson’s doctrine of repentance, Owen’s Communion With God, Bayly’s Practice of Piety, and Scougal’s Life With God.
I like Father Robinson but if I had to choose a variety of Anglicanism I probably would go with the conservative evangelical version embodied by J.C. Ryle.
The Revd Calvin Robinson does not appear to believe in Anglican Orders as he seems to have obtained his priestly ordination from the Nordic Catholic Church.
Most people seem to forget this but the biggest problem with Catholicism was the same thing as Wokism. It demanded virtue, charity and self sacrifice at the expense of prosperity. Protestantism wasn't purely a rejection of remote rule. You also have to consider what was wrong with said rule. Protestantism departs from that you have to get into heaven for good deeds and instead strips this down to that you can only ascend through faith alone. The moral demands of the Catholic church would often be excessive and irrational, typically either serving unconditional power or the institute at the expense of others. The same thing happened as with how Feminist Theory starts to eviscerate society when it becomes a universal moral code. One of the core tenets of Protestantism is for people to free themselves from this bondage. It is in a sense a demand for secularism or separation from a Church that interferes with everything to the extent that nothing can get done.
It yielded nothing but. The fervent Catholicism drove Spain to conquer, reign and proselytize the undiscovered world. Lead to the peak of aesthetic expression in art across all fields and brought a unified identity to all ‘Europeans’ specially during the Islamic incursions of the Holy land and the borders of Europe. And we’ve abandoned Her for all sorts of conveniences.
@@PauperPeccator The crusades are a bit of a different affair. In this case they were justified but somewhat farcical in its implementation. In this case we had two tyrannical regimes clashing. The Catholic ideology doesn't gain any real credit for this. Its facilitation was by virtue of having something converging toward a monopoly on centralised coordination. Something happening at the same time as something else is not causation. There was never a real golden age of Islam. People didn't read the Koran and then suddenly became mathematics geniuses. However, for some period acting as really a kind of desperate measure both Islam and Catholicism offered some level of order in the aftermath of the collapse of the Roman Empire. This only equates to short term rather than long term gains that could be achieved with nearly any regime. The problem is that once the theocracy increasingly spreads its control over society from the top down it ends up smothering it with its impositions leading to stagnation. One of the differences between Islam and Catholicism is that Islam maintains a far tighter grip so people never broke out of it once it started to excessively inhibit progress. Beyond this much of the advancements occurring around the same time tend to be in spite of these things and not because of them. Catholicism became particularly nasty in the Americas and in relation to the slave trade. I believe a Pope authorised entry into the slave trade in large part and we then have the Spanish Requirement. There is an issue most people miss where in that era the Catholic Church mistook people outside of Europe all for the Islamic invaders. Islam is much more of a nightmare in many ways due to the way it's written. It is by design resistant to reform. If you consider how parts of Europe were able to break out of the restraints of Catholicism moving into things such as Protestantism they got away with doing it through just a few tweaks. This isn't ideal but it worked. There's a bit more to it than just textual interpretation such as if you need faith alone or to be good. Few people properly consider the real life implications of these. I would normally agree without even believing in any after life that you should generally be a good person. If I were to contemplate on if there were a heaven and hell how they should then work then I would not think that faith should be the sole criteria. Instead it should be whether or not you are a good or worthy person as a whole. That's in theory. In practice, believe it or not, that can in many circumstances go catastrophically wrong.
@@albertojukis It is you who needs to study history in addition to how incompetence as well as corruption can infiltrate any institution causing rot from the inside. The point I make isn't the whole story but it is a key part of it that is often over looked. This is a point of confusion for many. It should make sense that one should strive to be a good person regardless of a promise of reward or punishment in the after life. There is then the question of why move to prefer people have faith alone? This is not the only difference between the two but it is one of the pivotal ones. A great deal of the problem here can be summarised as judgement not being after death but during life. This is a mistake routinely made in history. Only the best historians understand that things are often not purely ideological but instead tie into the practical realities of the era. Situation accounts for most human decision making. When you have authorities that implement these ideologies which people are bound by it makes a huge difference on the ground when relegated to faith alone rather than requiring some particular behavioural standards which are quite subjective and override your own. This shift toward individuality and plurality also provides flexibility which is one of the reasons protestantism often also saw more success on the ground in terms of other endeavours including economic. It is a liberation movement.
Calvin, since you're Anglican and orthodox, as I am, I've no wish to argue with you on matters I think less important ...But I would remind you that the first Tractarian leaders were not "high" in the sense of pushing ceremonial. Nor are Protestants averse to the term "Catholic", although they dislike Roman attempts to appropriate the term when many of Rome's characteristic positions are ones the NT and Primitive Church would not have recognised.
I'm a Reformed Christian. I think Calvin has got some good points here. There should be a hierarchy of theological points to value. If the Gospel message is expressed truthfully by a church then that should be our Number 1 concern. Everything else is secondary and needs to align with scripture and the gospel. I wish there was a way to rectify the barriers that separate true believers between the different denominations. A reunification of the denominations to make clear where the true church is would be a great blessing. Let's pray that this can happen, God's will be done.
I do not understand the Old Catholics. They are looking for everything that can be found in Orthodoxy, but the Fillioque. The liturgy in the Old Catholic tradition and the theology is only an approximation to Holy Orthodoxy. Why not go all the way? There are Orthodox churches in England, why not try to build an Orthodox Church of England? Something similar is happening in the USA, France and Germany at the moment. People are going back to the roots and the roots are not Old Catholic. The old Catholic approach reminds me of the saying "wash me, but don't make me wet". They want to go back to the roots, but not completely. Perhaps someone can explain this phenomenon to me.
I'm a former General Baptist with a strong background in nondenominational Protestant fundamentalism. On many points, my theology is virtually the opposite of what Robinson's is. He's a Calvinist, whereas I'm an Arminian-Molinist. He prefers high-church congregations, whereas I prefer low-church congregations. He's an episcopalian, whereas I'm a congregationalist. He's a pedobaptist, whereas I'm a credobaptist. He is respectful of Roman Catholicism, whereas I strongly dislike Romanism and Popery. However, on the important points - the Trinity, the virgin birth of Jesus, the crucifixion of Christ - we agree. We also agree that Occidental Christianity has become theologically and culturally liberal and we think Christianity should play a bigger role in society. As a Protestant integralist, I think conservative Protestant denominations should work together to reintroduce biblical morality into our respective nations.
Gosh, who would have known that the ACNA was that significant. And that the universal Catholic Church (given here as the 'Roman' Catholics) had erred and had to be corrected by the ACNA. :D
"just because they err'd..." Ok. It's comforting to know that someone figured out the one true way to be Christian. The apostles couldn't even suss that out, but you know, let's all continue to argue about it and stuff.
And you wonder why people think you worship Mary. There is no Saint Peter at the gates nor Saints interceding on your behalf before God. Jesus Christ alone is our mediator. By his death and resurrection the communion of saints (those who follow his word on this earthly realm) will be at one with him just as the one God is three beings now and forever, world without end. Amen.
I don't think the choice of interior/exterior design of a church is as important as the intended meaning behind that choice. A group of believers may decide to invest in a rich and beautiful church building as an act of worship to God, but a different group might do the same as an act of vain self-exaltation. Likewise, a group of believers might go for a much simpler, cheaper church building to express humility, but another group might do the same as an act of laziness and apathy towards worship. God sees what is in peoples' hearts and does not judge solely by outward appearance.
It was the Church in England not the church of England. All the ostensible reasons historic protestants justified themselves, muh accretions, some form of successionism, etc, have all fallen by the wayside.
Utrum ecclesia in angliā an ecclesiae, historia israelis doctrinae errorum forit. Romana christianitatis huic nulla exceptiō est, ab verbō deō ducere oportet.
Only on the condition that the Russian Orthodox☦ church is an example of acceptable political religious entanglements. I have to preface with: "give on to God what it God's" but (without exclusion of) also "give onto Caesar what is Caesar" and if that "Caesar" also be a member of the church 👑😇, may the Orthodox gain political power in/out Europe once again❗ I will not "separate church from state" (FYI the quote is not apart of the American constitutional literal reading). May God gain government agents and those agents act with respect of the peoples --likewise: a secular scientist 😷should respect the choice of a religious person to see that blockading churches was immoral💉 and against individual freedom/law (no matter what the "Science" says).
_"There's a great film, 'Oliver', about Oliver Cromwell..."_ - I think people seeking out 'Oliver' might find themselves watching a different film! Maybe try 'Cromwell'.
@@occidentadvocate.9759 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring and heirs according to promise. Galatians 3:28-29 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called "the uncircumcision" by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands- remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL AND STRANGERS TO THE COVENANTS OF PROMISE, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. Ephesians 2:11-13
@@Damian.Williams to hell with your mumbo jumbo nonsence. To hell with the Criminal parasite state too. A curse on it. Long live the Palestinian Resistance. 🇵🇸
Have a lot of respect for Calvin as he fearlessly speaks out about wokery etc in the C of E - BUT feel he is wrong to be embracing Anglo-Catholicism. I gather that her likes all the trappings of the Catholic Church - NONE of which the the early Christian’s had - Paul and Peter and James and John had!! Even Jesus Himself lived a simple life and held the last supper in a simple room with a simple table! Services and preaching and teaching took place in people’s homes a rosaries and statues did It exist!! So the Puritans and reformed churches have dropped all this business of satisfying the senses and making people feel they are experiencing something if God …. To focus on satisfying the hungry soul of the believer who desires to feed on the Word of God and remember His death in a simple way - and not be distracted but unbiblical additions. Never heard of Paul saying the rosary - but from what I have heard Calvin say, he does.
The sacraments are important, but the ritual worked perfectly well for Jesus and the apostles at a dining table. If a high alter were needed, God would surely have made the Temple available to Jesus to reinforce the point! Frankly, to the awakened, whether sharing bread and drink on a mountain top or sitting on the grass verge of a road, is just as effective as at the high alter. The sacraments are simply symbolic. The connection with the ritual - for the awakened - happens within the consciousness of the body.
Utter and total nonsense! as the Church grew and was no longer persecuted it IMMEDIATELY built beautiful Churches with altars because the Mass or Divine Liturgy IS A SACRIFICE. Even in the first 200 years so called 'house Churches' had gold and silver chalices, candle sticks, incense etc etc from DAY ONE of the Church's life. The Body and Blood of Christ demands beauty and dignity. Saying the Sacraments are 'symbolic' is heretical and a denial of 2,000 years of Church Tradition, it is a denial of the authority of the Apostles. I used to be a protestant heretic too, I hope you get red pilled as I did to Christ's Holy Church.
I have a lot of time and respect for Rev. Calvin, however I can’t get my head around how he can claim apostolic succession when his branch of Christianity is already twice removed from the Catholic Church, not withstanding the fact that the Protestant church he split from (C of E) has never believed in the True Presence.
Ordination is a change in one ontology in service to Christ. Therefore a bishop remains a bishop always. A bishop ordained in one church can ordain a bishop in another church. Apostolic succession is bishop to bishop. Don't just read the papal bull about Anglican ordination. Read also the refute from the archbishop's of Canterbury and York. Also, the CofE recognises FCE ordinations and Fr Calvin could return to CofE if he wants to (or indeed any Anglican church). To address the other points... CofE isn't Protestant it is Reformed Catholic and there is a difference. Finally, Anglicans do believe in real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. How is a mystery and therefore transubstantiation is an explanation not found in scripture. Therefore we can only say with certainty that the real presence is of a spiritual nature. That doesn't make it any less of a real presence. I hope these points help to understand the Anglican position (whether you agree with them or not).
@@notthatkindofanglican If the CofE is a "reformed Catholic Church" and not a Protestant one, why then did King Charles III had to take an oath to uphold the Protestant faith, is he not the Supreme Governor of the Church of England?
@@BelaMadeira Charles is bound to uphold both the Anglican faith and the Scottish Presbyterian church as constituted in the act of union 1707. Edward VI (or at least the regents at the time) did try to make the church of England more protestant as did Cromwell during the commonwealth. But neither succeeded. The church of England had always maintained there is one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. But at the same time, since Henry VIII, the English church has not recognised the authority of the Roman bishop and that, along with non-reformed dogma, is where we do protest.
I am Sydney Anglican and we are Gafcon, but I usually have to tell people that I would not go to an Anglican church outside of Sydney, many of the are too high church a the expense of the gospel and put people in positions of leadership that care more about ritual than the work of the Holy spirit
I am very glad to know that there are some in the Anglican Communion trying to seek the old paths. However, I strongly dissent from the speakers' characterization of the Puritans. My advice to anyone who thinks the Puritans were just a bunch of dreary roundhead prudes would be to *read* the Puritans. Read Richard Sibbes "The Bruised Reed," or Thomas Goodwin's "Christ Set Forth." These men had a deep experiential faith in Jesus Christ, not distracted by high forms of liturgy. These "smells and bells" delight the mind because they seem very antique and holy, but at the end of the day, what is the difference between a censer and a smoke machine? Perhaps for once we should not ask how we want to worship God but ask how He would like to be worshiped. The golden adornments of the tabernacle and temple existed to show Old Covenant believers types and shadows of the spiritual realities that we have as New Covenant believers. Do not allow your worship of God to be distracted by things which only delight the flesh.
CofE and the roman catholics laying claim to be the authority in christianity in Britain is hilarious. The gospel came straight to my ancestors and we were a land of kings and priests long before our neighbours rocked up. Born again with many signs and wonders. Cymru am byth
That's a very minor reason. Henry wanted to annull his marriage from Catherine, something that is normal for the pope to do. The protestants of the age had genuine complaints towards the church and therefore were the real driving force of the Church of England.
@@lennydale92. baloney, Henry was applauded by the pope some years earlier for defending the church from Protestantism in Germany. It was due to his marriage that he wanted out.
@@lennydale92Under Good Queen Mary the C of E was received back into the communion of the Church. Elizabeth I renewed the schism. All except one of her bishops were Calvinists.
the CHURCH HAS TO SPREAD THE WORD AS jESUS Said to do, not worry about offending,you are allowing the world to dictate.why hasn't welby made noises about a christian being arrested for praying near an abortion clinic.
The reformation was about ego, greed and power. The usual human traits. Henry created his own church supremacy, by creating the Church of England. The church remained Catholic, and Henry raised his children in Catholicism. He left instructions for the children to continue to be raised Catholic. The CofE remains Catholic. The rituals are the same, save for the wine and bread, which for some reason, do not physically turn into Jesus body and his blood, in the CE which apparently it does in Rome!
No Catholic has ever been able to explain to me what is meant by the bread and wine turning into the body and blood of Christ. It is clear to me that Jesus was just giving his disciples a little ritual to remember him by.
I love my Anglican and RC brothers and sisters. The Apostle's and Nicene Creeds join us on the fundamentals and that is good enough for me. I'm reluctant to listen to the opinion of a non Christian who possibly doesn't understand the reasons why some protestants still consider the Popes anti Christ. (Note two words there to mean "not in the ways of Christ.") Many protestants were martyred before and after the reformation for their beliefs and this should not be blithely brushed over because our simple churches aren't beautiful and some puritans were nutters. Come on. Do a bit of homework. All churches are to the glory of God. Protestants are more modest in their requirements and the RC churches are beautiful.
‘Father’ and the surname Calvin don’t really gel. No human is my father apart from my own dad and the only other father I recognise is my Father in heaven.
The Orthodox Church bases its ceremonies on the Temple in Jerusalem. interestingly enough. The bishop of Rome decided to be head of the Western Church about the time of the Visigothic movement into Italy. It may have been desperation rather than vanity. They did not continually sack the country but tried to impose their rule mainly, so the Roman bishop tried to get along with them.though the Byzantine Imperial capital of N Italy was in Ravenna. ( An Ostrogothic king, Theoderic took over Ravenna and ruled there very competently by the way) Byzantium at the time had the Metropolitan in Constantinople but he did not usually consider himself the head of the Orthodox Churches , and if he did there was trouble and he would be deposed. they did not consider the bishop of Rome head of the Church.
Are we not living in the times mentioned by Prophet Muhammad SAW? The times of great oppression and divide in humanity? Will the promised time come soon? Will we be taken out of this darkness? Allah and Prophet Muhammad PBUH in Muhammad Qasim Dreams
I came thinking that this video was going to be a criticism of John Calvin -- and came out being a DIFFERENT Calvin, of which I was not disappointed with. P.S. Calvinism is not sound or good theology. Keep up the Orthodox Anglicanism 😇
HARDCORE CALVINISM IS THE ONLY WAY. jk lmao. He does have some points tho historically. Calvinism is an extreme allergic reaction to some of the more questionable Catholic traditions
As a Roman Catholic, I thank you Father Calvin for respecting my faith. I get tired of people just casually bashing my fellow Catholics and it's refreshing to hear men of God who may not exactly be Catholic, but have my respect and admiration well enough.
Thank you.
There is hope that Calvin will cross the Tiber to Rome 🙏
@@OzCrusader please no. He should stay with Christ, not the papacy. You know the pope is a total heretic right? He’s on the woke side, not on Calvin’s side.
@@OzCrusaderWhy would he do that? What benefit would it be to him? The same ideology that has taken over the Church of England is taking over the Church of Rome. The only difference is that the Church of Rome is 30 years behind the Church of Rome. 30 years from now the Church of Rome will be in the exact place the Church of England is in currently. So, unless Rev. Calvin is planing on a short life switching to the Church of Rome is a waste of time and is a solution to nothing.
@Mi-bi6ez superstition is a loaded word and can mean a variety of similar things. I think it just might be ignorance, I don't care for prattle from Anglican Protestants. I just won't bow into typical claims from protestants frequently thrown at me, but Father Robertson hasn't so he at least had my respect.
As an Anglican I have huge respect for the Catholic Church. My church is C of E, but also high church. I consider myself Anglo Catholic
I absolutely adore Fr Calvin. Such a stand-up man.
Will the Masonic Novus Ordo counter-Church in Rome canonize this man ta fuk. FFS like!
He certainly is. He's like the grownup in every room he walks into. Gentle wisdom. A national treasure that hopefully will one day be recognized by the Brits.
I do not adore him because he is NOT God. He is a servant of God. i admire him and I bkess him. I am a Catholic.... a traditional one.
Thank you Father Calvin for letting me know about the ACNA. I've been curious about rediscovering Christianity here in the states but the US churches are... peculiar. Knowing there's a conservative Anglican branch gives me hope and I'm going to go seek out my local congregation.
Call no man on the earth your father, for one is your Father, he who is in heaven.
Matthew 23:9
The Puritan defacing of saints and angels (as 'malarkey': Hebrew for 'angel') and their abolition of Christmas, made them so unpopular in the UK they got put on a boat at Plymouth, and landed on the Rock on which US churches are founded.
@@Damian.Williams For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
@@tr1084 I know you probably believe Paul over Messiah my friend... But Paul is hard to understand that's why scripture gives us a warning about his writings...
It's shameful for a man to be ruled over, the head of every man is Messiah not another man...
Now I praise you, brothers, that you remember me in all things, and hold firm the traditions, even as I delivered them to you. But I would have you know that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God.
1 Corinthians 11:2-3
Here Peter warned us about those who would twist Paul's writings
and reckon the patience of our Master as deliverance, as also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you, according to the wisdom given to him, as also in all his letters, speaking in them concerning these matters , in which some are hard to understand, which those who are untaught and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do also the other Scriptures. You, then, beloved ones, being forewarned, watch, lest you also fall from your own steadfastness, being led away with the delusion of the Lawless,
2 Peter 3:15-17
@@Damian.Williams I don't believe Christ and Paul are in conflict and I don't believe your exegesis has authority.
Great to see the Free Church of England getting some promotion! They're a humble lot, but as the CofE crumbles into heresy and apostasy the FCE stands firm on God's Word. Its also lovely to see a Highchurchman entering the FCE, it needs to be broad in practice and strict on theology. God bless you Fr Calvin, keep up the good work.
I’m Catholic but have respect for High church Anglicanism.
Fully agree. Tradition and ceremony serve as time proven bonds to society (as human nature carries on as always as it wishes - in variations of descret secret if necessary) and as barometers to society's collapse.
I’m Anglican and have major respect for Roman Catholic tradition. I consider myself Anglo Catholic
As an Anglican, I believe that you guys are similar to us and I would gladly speak. But there are certain doctrinal issues that keep us apart, I pray that will not be the case in the future.
Figures
We as Catholics shouldn’t have respect for any false religions. It’s like the equivalent of saying we have respect for the devil
Fr. Calvin is Anglican but Catholic in the tradition of Richard Hooker. Beauty in the Catholic tradition is adiaphora. So grateful to have found him in social media.
Richard who?
Look, Calvin isn't correct as he now claims his orders are,"recognized by Rome".
. What does he mean by "recognized"?
@@Kitiwake Richard Hooker was a contemporary of William Shakespeare. He wrote The Laws of Ecclesiastical Polity in defence of Catholic worship. He wrote to oppose Puritans who wanted to destroy any trace of apostolic succession.
I suppose you could see the church, the stained glass and the gold items as the collective prayer of the community. Glorifying God with the efforts and resources of the worshippers. Given freely. I'm not religious but I believe such things are of enormous importance.
I've started thinking of Orthodox Iconography as a kind of pre medieval comic/graphic novel where the images and text tell the same story weaving back and forth. That is really cool.
I also quite like that the puritans gave us America, which is anything but bland and boring. The Pennsylvania settlers were so strict on usury that bankers had to create a national bank and backdoor it into Pennsylvania just to gain an eventual foothold.
Both have a tremendous amount of merit.
And what's your take on the so-called Mormons? 🤔 💭
@@Saint_nobody based preppers
Thing is the puritans lost steam and become incredibly secular. Without guard rails it’s easy to go weird. Which is basically what’s happened to almost every Protestant denomination
I love Calvin ge is wonderful. Ive look everywhere for his talks. I miss his common sense crusade on GB news
Thank you for what you do. I left the church ages ago because it didn't fit the gospel teachings. I was torn because I was taught it was the church teaching that I was to follow yet also from reading the bible I could see how the church has been more concerned in the number of butts in the seats than speaking truths
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He thinks he is better
Calvin looks good in armor.
@@ArachD206 They need to do a full portrait of him in armor sitting on a horse and holding a war hammer.
Lutheran Church-Missouri Synod!
Merry Christmas to all who read this from the United States!
Correction: When Pope Gregory sent his people to the Isles they discovered the Apostolic church was already there - the Celtic Expression. That's always been issue with Rome - it wants to dominate and take over. That's not the fruit of the Spirit.
Pope Adrian IV even authorized the Norman King to impose the Roman Rite Catholicism on the island of Ireland who practiced the Celtic form of Christianity that Patrick taught.
Love these chats between beau and father clavin would love to see how they think about the eastern branches of Christianity
As a roman Catholic (American) who doesn't want to be a papist and feels disillusioned with the institutions from coronatarianism, Father Calvin pitch does seem appealing.
Orthodoxy is the way.
Imagine apostatizing over Covid.
@haronsmith8974 1. I am not an apostate but what I am talking about is the Church shouldn't give in to coronatarianism. Don't you think that should be a red flag? 2. And the commie pope is the one speaking heresy so take that up with him. 3. You're a moron, I've been Catholic my whole life, I don't need some cringe trad-cath-come-lately telling me what they think about apostasy, that's not even what apostasy means, I've been confirmed for 16 years.
@@haronsmith8974 1. I did not renounce my faith, I said that I am disappointed with the church for giving into COVID tyranny, which would have been unthinkable only a few decades ago 2. Feel free to defend the heresies of the commie pope 3. I don't need a trad-cath-come-lately telling me about apostasy (which he apparently doesn't even know the definition of) I've been Catholic my whole life, confirmed for 16 years.
@@haronsmith8974 1. I did not renounce my faith, I said that I am disappointed with the church for giving into government tyranny, which would have been unthinkable only a few decades ago 2. Feel free to defend the heresies of the c*mmie pope. Basically all Jesuits are heretics, I had the unfortunate privilege of going to a Jesuit college 3. I don't need a trad-cath-come-lately telling me about apostasy (which he apparently doesn't even know the definition of) I've been Catholic my whole life, confirmed for 16 years.
The argument for having gold and beauty in church is not just that it’s nice and inspires awe, but God Himself directed for lots of gold and bronze and color in His Temple. So, clearly God has no problem with those things.
4:30 On this note, just go back to the Old Testament and read about the design off the temple in Jerusalem and the Arc, and then tell me it's indulgent to have awe inspiring churches. And that was God's design.
When I went to Rome and saw Saint Peter's Basilica my main thought was - if you would convert to Catholicism anywhere, this would be the place. It is the most beautiful church I have seen in my life. And I have seen a fair share of churches through my travels around Europe. Simplicity can be nice, but I would be lying if I ever claimed the gorgeous Catholic churches didn't tingle me and make the church-going experience just a little bit better.
8:00 Calvin is spot on with this. we need to focus on what we have in common more than what divides us. While surely some things are good and correct and others are... not, and it's certainly possible for some sect or other to believe some real heresy (which is a label i don't think we should use lightly), I think that anyone genuinely seeking out God has his soul in the right place, even if the backwardness of his theology needs some correcting. I've attended both protestant and catholic ceremonies and have certainly felt the presence of God in both. we should take time to remember that we're squabbling brothers, not bitter enemies.
Fascinating conversation
Strongly recommend the Movie "Cromwell", to anyone who is interested in the Civil War period and the Puritans versus Cavaliers conflict, Richard Harris is excellent as the pious Cromwell and it has a excellent cast of accomplished English actors of the period, I always thought it ironic that Harris an Irishman from Limerick and educated by the Jesuits would be cast to play a Englishman whose name is almost a cuss word in Ireland. While as a Historical Movie it is way above many others as to accuracy it does take some liabilities as to who said what, but it does get most of it right and it explains some of the idiosyncratic traditions around the Kings opening of Parliament.
You mean the movie "Cromwell". It is very good.
@@redmoonfilms Thanks of course I did I carried the error over from Beau, corrected it.
Yes, it's a very good film indeed.
Highly historically inaccurate.
Is it herein TH-cam?
If not, tis a shame. For Life of Brian is. This isn't that though. th-cam.com/video/o2WfCn0tCJw/w-d-xo.html
Man. I miss Father Calvin’s fro.
I'm so, so glad we're seeing more of Beau. He's by far my favourite member of the team.
I have a ton of respect for my High Anglican brothers and sisters, as I grew up in a very Anglo-Catholic parish in the Deep South. Once I saw even my extremely conservative parish get straddled with a priest giving DEI masses and blaspheming, I went on a journey that led me to the history of the Oxford Movement, St. John Henry Newman, and inevitably to Rome. I pray that one day my Anglo-Catholic brothers and sisters can be reunited in communion with Rome. Anglican Ordinariate parishes are a jewel of the Catholic Church in the english speaking world. Sadly they are few in number. I pray one day they’re common and full of former Protestants like myself that have returned home. I was so ashamed at how the Ordianiate in London treated Fr. Calvin a few years ago. It was a great opportunity lost because of the pride of a liberal priest. Hopefully they reconcile in the future. God bless all
2:23 are those three dolphins on his hat?
I take your point that you need an alter adorned with precious metals and jewels, but to the awakened these things are an anathema.
Such opulence whilst impressive was designed to show how rich and powerful the was (past tense)
As you stated recently Calvin, church are not built with such opulence and magnificence any longer. The gravy bait has run dry.
Can you honestly imagine Jesus endorsing such egocentric monument to self! Absolutely not.
The awakened don’t look externally to connect with the Devine, they simply connect - awaken - the Devine within!
I live a secular life, coming from a background of traditional Catholic/protestant Jewish come Muslim, yes its complicated being a cockney lol my people left it to me to find my path, at 66 still seeking but I will defend any rights that do not infringe upon mine...
I like the Afro-Father.
I don’t
@@reidycruise I do
@@murdockhancock there’s two kinda men
@@reidycruise those who do and those who don't
@@murdockhancock pretty sure I’m not gay mate lol
I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian, and I am glad to see Father Calvin is not part of the woke established Anglican Church. I am glad he sees that the Protestants, while correct to be opposed to overbearing Papism, have completely over-corrected by throwing tradition out of the window. In our Church, we don't have the Pope as the head of the Church, and we don't even have our Ecumenical Patriarch as head of the Church, we have Christ at the head of the Church. I think Father Calvin would be a great fit for the Orthodox Church, but I understand the Orthodox Church might be a little bit foreign for most people in Britain.
Deus vult! Happy Christmas my fellow crusaders 😉😇
☦️🛐✝️
Do agree, It's not about whether it's Catholic or too Catholic but is it Christian substantiated in scripture itself. If there is anything people should take from this it's that.
I’m Protestant and have no time for mere earthly priesthood which Christ abolished. There is no more sacrifice, “ it is finished “ . There is no need for alters and incense and the superstition of making the sign of the cross .
1 Peter 2:9 But you are “a chosen race, a royal PRIESTHOOD, a holy nation, a people claimed by God as his own possession,”
I’m a Baptist and can see quite a lot of your arguments, but I just can’t quite get on board with all the saints days and pageantry. We’re kind of sticks in the mud that way.
As a Catholic, I can see your point of view and, at least in a theological context, actually agree with you. However, I see it merely as an expression of culture and tradition to honor them and less to deify them. But I can completely see why many Protestant denominations can't get on board with it. To each their own I say, which makes every kind of Christian a bit unique and different, in a good way that is.
All I know my friend is we are Christians before being Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, Mormon etc. And I support your right to worship as you please. There's a common assault on all of Christendom and we need to stick together. We are all the historic faith of the West, and all of our sects and denominations are being subverted or destroyed in the Western World. Christians, nonbelievers of Christian background/heritage and anyone who is fond of Christianity regardless of background are all in a common struggle as far as I can tell.
That's my perspective though, not trying to put words in your mouth one way or the other. I appreciate your perspective and wish the best.
@Kaiser-gt4rr Mormons are as Christian as Islam is.
think about it this way. a saint day is a memorial day of the saint, in reality this is all it is.
Wherever the bishop appears, there let the people be; as wherever Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church - St Ignatius of Antioch 105 AD.
So when can the Catholics have their Cathedrals back?
It depends. How much tea do you have and who's your dealer?
More importantly: Will protestants realize that they were in part correct and see that the Catholics fixed the problems they complained about and come back to the mother church?
@@TchHry no, the pope is a woke ņőņćĕ
@@TchHry When did Catholics get rid of the Pope?
@@TchHry catholics still fancy mother Mary way too much and the practice of asking dead to pray for you seems to get twisted way too often into praying to the dead saints as if one would pray to God.
Father Calvin should just join the Orthodox Church and get it over with. I think he will feel very welcome and at home there.
4:45 so what was the point of Calvin talking to this guy then?
In my opinion Anglicanism and Eastern Orthodoxy are the best forms of Christianity.
As an Orthodox American I appreciate that and hope for all of Christ’s followers to be United to his One Holy Catholic and Apostolic (Orthodox) Church
The baptists churches are always the best, hence America.
One as bibletarded as the other.. No difference and the satanic juice penned the script after the RCC was founded by God whom was crucified in Rome btw.
@@hindenpeter2.04 Christ wasn’t crucified in Rome and the Catholic Church has long since evolved past the time of St Peter in ways that he did not intend hence why the Orthodox Church seeks to be as close to gods original plan as possible.
@@Valencetheshireman927 We're back since aug 2009 tho after like 1700 odd years MIA.
Lovely. Keep in mind, that, even when you believe you’ve found the fitting spot, you will always have to make a choice and pick a side until you arrive at Truth
He’s pretty much Catholic in his beliefs, including Mary worship.
Below I do apologise for the many typos!!!
In all fairness, the cofe’s via media is not a middle ground between Rome and Geneva, but between Geneva and Zurich. Bear in mind Thomas Cartwright was advocating for Presbyterian polity in the court of HM Elizabeth I.
The cofe was very, very nearly Presbyterian - easy to forget now.
Also, there were royalist puritans, and puritans who were very happy with aesthetics. It is common now in the dissident right to speak badly of puritans; I’m thinking specifically of that terribly basic take of Doyle and Starkey, re woke as the ‘new puritans’. It’s historically ill informed and politically ill fitting, disproven by a cursory reading of any major English puritan. Go and read pilgrim’s progress, which shaped Anglican piety as much as any other text of devotion. (Her Late Majesty EII read from it in her first Christmas broadcast.) If the stereotype of the dour, whitewashed puritan is true, then why do the archetypal puritan characters dance? Why do they sing? Why do look at Christian art? That’s your first sign that we’re not engaging with real history here. The second will come in the form of their original works. Id heartily recommend Watson’s doctrine of repentance, Owen’s Communion With God, Bayly’s Practice of Piety, and Scougal’s Life With God.
How about just Romans 5 and/or Hebrews 10 plus.... Always adding to the Word {shrug}
@NathanLPaylor - I'd also heartily recommend Paradise Lost by the great Puritan poet John Milton.
I find all of this fascinating because in America conservatives love the Puritans. We see them as fundamental to our cultural heritage.
I like Father Robinson but if I had to choose a variety of Anglicanism I probably would go with the conservative evangelical version embodied by J.C. Ryle.
“The Catholic’s erred!” Which denomination hasn’t Calvin. Let us not forget the teaching of the splinter in the eye...!
The Revd Calvin Robinson does not appear to believe in Anglican Orders as he seems to have obtained his priestly ordination from the Nordic Catholic Church.
I’m not Anglican but I support this priest
Most people seem to forget this but the biggest problem with Catholicism was the same thing as Wokism. It demanded virtue, charity and self sacrifice at the expense of prosperity. Protestantism wasn't purely a rejection of remote rule. You also have to consider what was wrong with said rule. Protestantism departs from that you have to get into heaven for good deeds and instead strips this down to that you can only ascend through faith alone. The moral demands of the Catholic church would often be excessive and irrational, typically either serving unconditional power or the institute at the expense of others. The same thing happened as with how Feminist Theory starts to eviscerate society when it becomes a universal moral code. One of the core tenets of Protestantism is for people to free themselves from this bondage. It is in a sense a demand for secularism or separation from a Church that interferes with everything to the extent that nothing can get done.
It yielded nothing but. The fervent Catholicism drove Spain to conquer, reign and proselytize the undiscovered world. Lead to the peak of aesthetic expression in art across all fields and brought a unified identity to all ‘Europeans’ specially during the Islamic incursions of the Holy land and the borders of Europe. And we’ve abandoned Her for all sorts of conveniences.
@@PauperPeccator The crusades are a bit of a different affair. In this case they were justified but somewhat farcical in its implementation. In this case we had two tyrannical regimes clashing. The Catholic ideology doesn't gain any real credit for this. Its facilitation was by virtue of having something converging toward a monopoly on centralised coordination.
Something happening at the same time as something else is not causation. There was never a real golden age of Islam. People didn't read the Koran and then suddenly became mathematics geniuses.
However, for some period acting as really a kind of desperate measure both Islam and Catholicism offered some level of order in the aftermath of the collapse of the Roman Empire. This only equates to short term rather than long term gains that could be achieved with nearly any regime.
The problem is that once the theocracy increasingly spreads its control over society from the top down it ends up smothering it with its impositions leading to stagnation.
One of the differences between Islam and Catholicism is that Islam maintains a far tighter grip so people never broke out of it once it started to excessively inhibit progress.
Beyond this much of the advancements occurring around the same time tend to be in spite of these things and not because of them.
Catholicism became particularly nasty in the Americas and in relation to the slave trade. I believe a Pope authorised entry into the slave trade in large part and we then have the Spanish Requirement.
There is an issue most people miss where in that era the Catholic Church mistook people outside of Europe all for the Islamic invaders.
Islam is much more of a nightmare in many ways due to the way it's written. It is by design resistant to reform.
If you consider how parts of Europe were able to break out of the restraints of Catholicism moving into things such as Protestantism they got away with doing it through just a few tweaks.
This isn't ideal but it worked. There's a bit more to it than just textual interpretation such as if you need faith alone or to be good. Few people properly consider the real life implications of these.
I would normally agree without even believing in any after life that you should generally be a good person. If I were to contemplate on if there were a heaven and hell how they should then work then I would not think that faith should be the sole criteria. Instead it should be whether or not you are a good or worthy person as a whole.
That's in theory. In practice, believe it or not, that can in many circumstances go catastrophically wrong.
@@FirstLast-rb5zjmientes y no tienes ni idea de historia. Estudia de nuevo y no digas tonterías.
@@albertojukis It is you who needs to study history in addition to how incompetence as well as corruption can infiltrate any institution causing rot from the inside.
The point I make isn't the whole story but it is a key part of it that is often over looked. This is a point of confusion for many.
It should make sense that one should strive to be a good person regardless of a promise of reward or punishment in the after life. There is then the question of why move to prefer people have faith alone?
This is not the only difference between the two but it is one of the pivotal ones. A great deal of the problem here can be summarised as judgement not being after death but during life.
This is a mistake routinely made in history. Only the best historians understand that things are often not purely ideological but instead tie into the practical realities of the era. Situation accounts for most human decision making.
When you have authorities that implement these ideologies which people are bound by it makes a huge difference on the ground when relegated to faith alone rather than requiring some particular behavioural standards which are quite subjective and override your own.
This shift toward individuality and plurality also provides flexibility which is one of the reasons protestantism often also saw more success on the ground in terms of other endeavours including economic. It is a liberation movement.
Father Calvin for PM!
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Calvin, since you're Anglican and orthodox, as I am, I've no wish to argue with you on matters I think less important ...But I would remind you that the first Tractarian leaders were not "high" in the sense of pushing ceremonial. Nor are Protestants averse to the term "Catholic", although they dislike Roman attempts to appropriate the term when many of Rome's characteristic positions are ones the NT and Primitive Church would not have recognised.
They want to rebaptize? Blasphemy!
I'm a Reformed Christian. I think Calvin has got some good points here. There should be a hierarchy of theological points to value. If the Gospel message is expressed truthfully by a church then that should be our Number 1 concern. Everything else is secondary and needs to align with scripture and the gospel. I wish there was a way to rectify the barriers that separate true believers between the different denominations. A reunification of the denominations to make clear where the true church is would be a great blessing. Let's pray that this can happen, God's will be done.
How can there be unity when one denies the imputed righteousness of Christ ( Council of Trent),and declares it anathema?
I do not understand the Old Catholics. They are looking for everything that can be found in Orthodoxy, but the Fillioque. The liturgy in the Old Catholic tradition and the theology is only an approximation to Holy Orthodoxy. Why not go all the way? There are Orthodox churches in England, why not try to build an Orthodox Church of England? Something similar is happening in the USA, France and Germany at the moment. People are going back to the roots and the roots are not Old Catholic. The old Catholic approach reminds me of the saying "wash me, but don't make me wet". They want to go back to the roots, but not completely. Perhaps someone can explain this phenomenon to me.
Its Neo-Calvinism!
Ba'dom tish
I'm a former General Baptist with a strong background in nondenominational Protestant fundamentalism. On many points, my theology is virtually the opposite of what Robinson's is. He's a Calvinist, whereas I'm an Arminian-Molinist. He prefers high-church congregations, whereas I prefer low-church congregations. He's an episcopalian, whereas I'm a congregationalist. He's a pedobaptist, whereas I'm a credobaptist. He is respectful of Roman Catholicism, whereas I strongly dislike Romanism and Popery. However, on the important points - the Trinity, the virgin birth of Jesus, the crucifixion of Christ - we agree. We also agree that Occidental Christianity has become theologically and culturally liberal and we think Christianity should play a bigger role in society. As a Protestant integralist, I think conservative Protestant denominations should work together to reintroduce biblical morality into our respective nations.
Why do all Baptist hate us Catholics….. seems like John Calvin planted that hate when he separated.
Gosh, who would have known that the ACNA was that significant. And that the universal Catholic Church (given here as the 'Roman' Catholics) had erred and had to be corrected by the ACNA. :D
"just because they err'd..."
Ok. It's comforting to know that someone figured out the one true way to be Christian. The apostles couldn't even suss that out, but you know, let's all continue to argue about it and stuff.
PLEASE COME HOME TO THE FULLNESS OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ⛪ MARY AWAITS YOU ALL I DID NEVER LOOKED BACK
And you wonder why people think you worship Mary.
There is no Saint Peter at the gates nor Saints interceding on your behalf before God. Jesus Christ alone is our mediator. By his death and resurrection the communion of saints (those who follow his word on this earthly realm) will be at one with him just as the one God is three beings now and forever, world without end. Amen.
Call know man father.
I don't think the choice of interior/exterior design of a church is as important as the intended meaning behind that choice. A group of believers may decide to invest in a rich and beautiful church building as an act of worship to God, but a different group might do the same as an act of vain self-exaltation. Likewise, a group of believers might go for a much simpler, cheaper church building to express humility, but another group might do the same as an act of laziness and apathy towards worship. God sees what is in peoples' hearts and does not judge solely by outward appearance.
And what about the deliberately ugly?
@@WiggaMachiavelli What purpose do they have to spend effort making their building more ugly?
The Anglican Church should unite with The Coptic Orthodox Church🙏😊
I do like the more High Church Protestantism rather than the Puritan church model as well.
It was the Church in England not the church of England. All the ostensible reasons historic protestants justified themselves, muh accretions, some form of successionism, etc, have all fallen by the wayside.
@@heliosmegistos3128 That's so passé. Cringe.
Utrum ecclesia in angliā an ecclesiae, historia israelis doctrinae errorum forit. Romana christianitatis huic nulla exceptiō est, ab verbō deō ducere oportet.
Please become Orthodox Christian. It is the ancient and unchanged faith of Jesus Christ. ☦️
Western rite can be an option if he wants tbe ango saxson heritage.
Only on the condition that the Russian Orthodox☦ church is an example of acceptable political religious entanglements. I have to preface with: "give on to God what it God's" but (without exclusion of) also "give onto Caesar what is Caesar" and if that "Caesar" also be a member of the church
👑😇, may the Orthodox gain political power in/out Europe once again❗
I will not "separate church from state" (FYI the quote is not apart of the American constitutional literal reading). May God gain government agents and those agents act with respect of the peoples --likewise: a secular scientist 😷should respect the choice of a religious person to see that blockading churches was immoral💉 and against individual freedom/law (no matter what the "Science" says).
and what superstitions are we on about?
_"There's a great film, 'Oliver', about Oliver Cromwell..."_ - I think people seeking out 'Oliver' might find themselves watching a different film! Maybe try 'Cromwell'.
Exactly. When he said Oliver I immediately thought of an orange kitten in New York.
Remember my friends the covenant is with Israel but the good news is that you can be grafted in... Come and join us you are most welcome...
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@@occidentadvocate.9759 You're welcome 😁
@@Damian.Williams to hell with the nation of Christ killers!
@@occidentadvocate.9759 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.
If you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring and heirs according to promise.
Galatians 3:28-29
Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called "the uncircumcision" by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands- remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the COMMONWEALTH OF ISRAEL AND STRANGERS TO THE COVENANTS OF PROMISE, having no hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.
Ephesians 2:11-13
@@Damian.Williams to hell with your mumbo jumbo nonsence. To hell with the Criminal parasite state too. A curse on it. Long live the Palestinian Resistance. 🇵🇸
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I take the opposite position from this new Calvinism - as an Anglican, I see myself as both Catholic and “Puritan”. #whynotboth
Have a lot of respect for Calvin as he fearlessly speaks out about wokery etc in the C of E - BUT feel he is wrong to be embracing Anglo-Catholicism. I gather that her likes all the trappings of the Catholic Church - NONE of which the the early Christian’s had - Paul and Peter and James and John had!! Even Jesus Himself lived a simple life and held the last supper in a simple room with a simple table! Services and preaching and teaching took place in people’s homes a rosaries and statues did It exist!! So the Puritans and reformed churches have dropped all this business of satisfying the senses and making people feel they are experiencing something if God …. To focus on satisfying the hungry soul of the believer who desires to feed on the Word of God and remember His death in a simple way - and not be distracted but unbiblical additions. Never heard of Paul saying the rosary - but from what I have heard Calvin say, he does.
Christ,while on earth started one church, everything else is man made.
Sadly even what some consider the continuation of that church has been corrupted by man.
The sacraments are important, but the ritual worked perfectly well for Jesus and the apostles at a dining table.
If a high alter were needed, God would surely have made the Temple available to Jesus to reinforce the point!
Frankly, to the awakened, whether sharing bread and drink on a mountain top or sitting on the grass verge of a road, is just as effective as at the high alter.
The sacraments are simply symbolic. The connection with the ritual - for the awakened - happens within the consciousness of the body.
Utter and total nonsense! as the Church grew and was no longer persecuted it IMMEDIATELY built beautiful Churches with altars because the Mass or Divine Liturgy IS A SACRIFICE. Even in the first 200 years so called 'house Churches' had gold and silver chalices, candle sticks, incense etc etc from DAY ONE of the Church's life. The Body and Blood of Christ demands beauty and dignity. Saying the Sacraments are 'symbolic' is heretical and a denial of 2,000 years of Church Tradition, it is a denial of the authority of the Apostles. I used to be a protestant heretic too, I hope you get red pilled as I did to Christ's Holy Church.
An Anglican priest called Calvin, no irony?
Wait does the English church or w/e answer to the pope?
The Anglican Church doesn’t.
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Do they use the KJV bible and traditional hymns.
I completely disagree about the lords supper uniting us with Christ. That stinks of Rome.
Amen, never at home in Rome!
I have a lot of time and respect for Rev. Calvin, however I can’t get my head around how he can claim apostolic succession when his branch of Christianity is already twice removed from the Catholic Church, not withstanding the fact that the Protestant church he split from (C of E) has never believed in the True Presence.
Ordination is a change in one ontology in service to Christ. Therefore a bishop remains a bishop always. A bishop ordained in one church can ordain a bishop in another church. Apostolic succession is bishop to bishop.
Don't just read the papal bull about Anglican ordination. Read also the refute from the archbishop's of Canterbury and York.
Also, the CofE recognises FCE ordinations and Fr Calvin could return to CofE if he wants to (or indeed any Anglican church).
To address the other points... CofE isn't Protestant it is Reformed Catholic and there is a difference.
Finally, Anglicans do believe in real presence of Christ in the Eucharist. How is a mystery and therefore transubstantiation is an explanation not found in scripture. Therefore we can only say with certainty that the real presence is of a spiritual nature. That doesn't make it any less of a real presence.
I hope these points help to understand the Anglican position (whether you agree with them or not).
@@notthatkindofanglican If the CofE is a "reformed Catholic Church" and not a Protestant one, why then did King Charles III had to take an oath to uphold the Protestant faith, is he not the Supreme Governor of the Church of England?
@@BelaMadeira Charles is bound to uphold both the Anglican faith and the Scottish Presbyterian church as constituted in the act of union 1707. Edward VI (or at least the regents at the time) did try to make the church of England more protestant as did Cromwell during the commonwealth. But neither succeeded. The church of England had always maintained there is one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. But at the same time, since Henry VIII, the English church has not recognised the authority of the Roman bishop and that, along with non-reformed dogma, is where we do protest.
I am Sydney Anglican and we are Gafcon, but I usually have to tell people that I would not go to an Anglican church outside of Sydney, many of the are too high church a the expense of the gospel and put people in positions of leadership that care more about ritual than the work of the Holy spirit
I am very glad to know that there are some in the Anglican Communion trying to seek the old paths. However, I strongly dissent from the speakers' characterization of the Puritans. My advice to anyone who thinks the Puritans were just a bunch of dreary roundhead prudes would be to *read* the Puritans. Read Richard Sibbes "The Bruised Reed," or Thomas Goodwin's "Christ Set Forth." These men had a deep experiential faith in Jesus Christ, not distracted by high forms of liturgy. These "smells and bells" delight the mind because they seem very antique and holy, but at the end of the day, what is the difference between a censer and a smoke machine? Perhaps for once we should not ask how we want to worship God but ask how He would like to be worshiped. The golden adornments of the tabernacle and temple existed to show Old Covenant believers types and shadows of the spiritual realities that we have as New Covenant believers. Do not allow your worship of God to be distracted by things which only delight the flesh.
CofE and the roman catholics laying claim to be the authority in christianity in Britain is hilarious.
The gospel came straight to my ancestors and we were a land of kings and priests long before our neighbours rocked up.
Born again with many signs and wonders. Cymru am byth
Wait, the Church of England broke away due to the King wanting to marry another woman and the pope would not give an annulment.
That's a very minor reason. Henry wanted to annull his marriage from Catherine, something that is normal for the pope to do. The protestants of the age had genuine complaints towards the church and therefore were the real driving force of the Church of England.
@@lennydale92. baloney, Henry was applauded by the pope some years earlier for defending the church from Protestantism in Germany. It was due to his marriage that he wanted out.
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And he asked the pope to annull the marriage. Something he had power to do.
@@lennydale92Under Good Queen Mary the C of E was received back into the communion of the Church. Elizabeth I renewed the schism. All except one of her bishops were Calvinists.
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At least Anglicanism beat Calvinism in the end.
the CHURCH HAS TO SPREAD THE WORD AS jESUS Said to do, not worry about offending,you are allowing the world to dictate.why hasn't welby made noises about a christian being arrested for praying near an abortion clinic.
yes the Bishop Durham and all the apostates before and since are a massive Anglican embarrassment
The reformation was about ego, greed and power. The usual human traits.
Henry created his own church supremacy, by creating the Church of England.
The church remained Catholic, and Henry raised his children in Catholicism. He left instructions for the children to continue to be raised Catholic.
The CofE remains Catholic. The rituals are the same, save for the wine and bread, which for some reason, do not physically turn into Jesus body and his blood, in the CE which apparently it does in Rome!
No Catholic has ever been able to explain to me what is meant by the bread and wine turning into the body and blood of Christ. It is clear to me that Jesus was just giving his disciples a little ritual to remember him by.
Lesbian trans muslim bishop. Thanks Anglicanism
How is that Anglicanisms fault?
If you remove the word Rome from before catholic that would be a start. Exactly as the old culdees did . Holy catholic
7:09 I too think potpourri stinks.
The hair has returned !
I love my Anglican and RC brothers and sisters. The Apostle's and Nicene Creeds join us on the fundamentals and that is good enough for me.
I'm reluctant to listen to the opinion of a non Christian who possibly doesn't understand the reasons why some protestants still consider the Popes anti Christ. (Note two words there to mean "not in the ways of Christ.")
Many protestants were martyred before and after the reformation for their beliefs and this should not be blithely brushed over because our simple churches aren't beautiful and some puritans were nutters. Come on. Do a bit of homework.
All churches are to the glory of God. Protestants are more modest in their requirements and the RC churches are beautiful.
All about all of you high Church anglicana come back to the Catholic faith and let us be One again as Jesus intended Us to be.
Cal belongs to the church of his own hypocrisy, swinging his rosary beads in the "low" Free Church of England.
Lukewarm then, no use to man or God, serve man or God, you can't do both. What a pity.
I interesting but just cant u derstand the catholic way complicated but respect it
He may be evil but he's got a cool hat
The anglican church is full of splits, that tells you all you need to know.
The Puritans were the best Anglicans! True Christians will struggle to be part of the 'official' Church of England.
‘Father’ and the surname Calvin don’t really gel. No human is my father apart from my own dad and the only other father I recognise is my Father in heaven.
And eventually we'll get back to the Biblical temple and away from any catholicism (universalism)
The Orthodox Church bases its ceremonies on the Temple in Jerusalem. interestingly enough.
The bishop of Rome decided to be head of the Western Church about the time of the Visigothic movement into Italy. It may have been desperation rather than vanity. They did not continually sack the country but tried to impose their rule mainly, so the Roman bishop tried to get along with them.though the Byzantine Imperial capital of N Italy was in Ravenna. ( An Ostrogothic king, Theoderic took over Ravenna and ruled there very competently by the way)
Byzantium at the time had the Metropolitan in Constantinople but he did not usually consider himself the head of the Orthodox Churches , and if he did there was trouble and he would be deposed. they did not consider the bishop of Rome head of the Church.
Are we not living in the times mentioned by Prophet Muhammad SAW? The times of great oppression and divide in humanity? Will the promised time come soon? Will we be taken out of this darkness? Allah and Prophet Muhammad PBUH in Muhammad Qasim Dreams
These are the proper titles of the Sovereign Pontiff. No need to be snarky about it. Especially from someone who isn't a believer.
Your pope is snarky too. Are you a bad catholic or is the pope infallible like Jesus?
I came thinking that this video was going to be a criticism of John Calvin -- and came out being a DIFFERENT Calvin, of which I was not disappointed with.
P.S. Calvinism is not sound or good theology. Keep up the Orthodox Anglicanism 😇
HARDCORE CALVINISM IS THE ONLY WAY. jk lmao. He does have some points tho historically. Calvinism is an extreme allergic reaction to some of the more questionable Catholic traditions