Another fun video. Tools & Targets has an entire series testing this round for penetration in gel against most every 22LR available. It out penetrates most everything out there out of a pistol.
Thanks for another informative video. I love the absolute silence of the desert surroundings where you shoot your videos. So hard to achieve for city dwellers.
We're lucky here in Colorado where the Murdoch's Ranch & Home chain stocks Federal Punch in large amounts cheap! ($9/box). It's the primary load in our tiny EDC's (Her Ruger LCR 22lr and my Ruger LCP2 22lr). Runs flawlessly in my Ruger semi-auto. Thanks for the great video, sir!
Mornin Mix. Love me some Mark series pistols. I'm still hoping one day we will get to hear more about your background and work. I bet you have some interesting stories to tell.
To the 22 LR self defense haters out there. If your would be attacker gets 6 or 7 rounds of 22 LR hollow point in the belly.................he will stop doing whatever it was he was doing to get shot in the first palce.....Promise.
To the rimfire lovers, if you get the common click instead of bang or bad ejection / feed issues 22s are known for, you can will your 22 to your kid. You're better off getting a 380 centerfire 0r 38 special. Both of which can do 6+ rounds where you want them with more power and reliability.
@@FoulPet if you find a firearm/ammo combo that works you are fine. See Paul Harrell’s video on 22 reliability. They are far more reliable these days, just some firearms do not like the zippier stuff.
@@andrewallason4530 Already watch it. He has slightly better luck than I normally have with 22. As he would say, based on my personal experiences, 22 has a failure rate of about 1 in 100. I've shot 200 rounds with no issues but I've also shot 50 rounds with multiple failures. So 1% IMHO is a fair estimate. With centerfire I "might" have a light strike in 2000 rounds. So if you we're rolling dice would you want a 1% failure or a .05% failure?
@@andrewallason4530 Have you ever heard someone say you're lucky. If it were a fraction of an inch more it would have been game over? That fraction is width and penetration. The diameter of a bullet and the depth matter. If you only have the chance to get one good hit do you want it with a 22 or a 9mm. It may appear that that small difference is insignificant but 1 mm in a direction could me the difference of clipping a vital or having little effect. A 22 out of a pistol loses a good deal of power btw. If we are talking rifles, the 22 gap is even more significant. A 223 eclipses a 22. The only reason anyone should consider 22 for defense is that's all you have or you have a physical problem that prevents it.
Compare the Punch ammo to other .22lr ammo. They have a much longer case, just like Stingers. I'll bet that is why your Bobcat did not like them. The longer case is needed to accommodate more powder to get the higher velocity.
I like your theory about the longer cases but I have shot Stinger ammo in my Bobcat without any problems. Maybe the lighter Punch bullet has something to do with it.
@@mixup98 I think the flat nosed bullet is the feeding problem with the Beretta. A flatnose contacts the feed ramp sooner and lower than would a bullet with a round nose ogive. Short compact pistols often have shorter steeper inclined feed ramps.
How can more gunpowder fit if the bullet base is in the same position relative to the cartridge base? Further, it will still need to be within the oal specification for the cartridge.
Thanks again! You are saving me time and money, sir. I just watched and commented on your CCI Stinger video. Now I don't have to go out mess with those ammos. I will just buy more mini mags.
I used to wear my Bobcat in an ankle holster, but found that most ammunition would be problematic. I was very happy to see you fire yours with good results, and name the brands it likes. I will try them out. Sometimes it's just not practical to carry that Combat Commander, and I would really like to carry the Bobcat, but not until I find ammo that is reliable. Thanks for posting. This episode made me a subscriber!
Hello Doug. You can almost never go wrong with CCI rimfire ammo and I'm willing to bet that it will work in your Bobcat. I want to thank you for watching my videos and subscribing to my channel and I look forward to reading your future comments.
Thanks for sharing. One of my back-up revolvers is loaded with CCI Stingers, basically because they seem to perform well consistently & are usually available (recently, that is).
I bought the Federal Punch last year from Federal $9.99 per box ! As I use .22 WMR also I picked up some of that $19.95 !! Well that’s the way it is for prices when you can find it ! Now back to the Federal Punch .22 ! I like it so far , groups tighter out of my Ruger single six than my 617 ! Ruger 77/22 it groups well with no flyers ! Do I carry it on days for my EDC ?yes I do! Good test! You did well !
I know this isn't anything particularly of importance when choosing which ammo to use, but that Federal Punch sounded awesome when fired out of the 10/22. It just sounded really cool to me.
Well hell.....Just when I had my sights, so to speak, set on an entirely different caliber and type of firearm I see a road trip in my near future (061322) to an area gun store where I hope the Ruger 10/22 takedown I fondled a few days ago will still be available for sale. And while I'm there, I might as well buy the Ruger Single Six that's been gathering dust in one of their handgun cases for over a year now.
My Beretta Bobcat .22 LR ( Manufactured 90s blued with wood grips ) LOVES Remington yellow jacket in viper conical shape bullets.. not one jam or stoppage with the yellow jackets/ vipers
I have used CCI Mini-mag hollow points exclusively in my old Ruger 10/22 since the late 70's. NEVER had a malfunction. I have a newer Ruger 10/22 takedown and use CCI stingers exclusively in it...also, never a malfunction (7 yrs. old now). I also have a Ruger Mark ll and use CCI Mini-mags in it...also, never a malfunction (bought in 82). Is it the ammo, the quality of the firearm, or both? Actually, I don't care. I get the accuracy and dependability with what I use, so if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Yes same on the ruger mk 2 at least traded a mk 1 for the mk 2 have another mk 2 made about the same time is stainless with a bull barrel , realizing just how far out of the loop I am in so much,never thought of using other ammo ? that was the higher priced ammo then :). I said something because agree like so many of my working tools "If it ain't broke why fix it" :) be careful thanks. Peace. Rick
@@wichitarick I still use my Mark ll but last year, I traded a Ruger LCR to my son after he had bought an old Ruger Standard (some call it the Mark 1) After breaking it down and giving it a thorough cleaning, it resides in my tack room at the barn for a quick "go to" for unwanted critters. It's been weaned on CCI Mini-Mags and works just as well as all my other Rugers. Just as accurate and dependable.
There are some great upgrades for the 10/22, extended mag release, auto bolt release, and a lot of different styles of pression bolts & levers. For the take down, mag lock makes a stock that locks both stock and barrel together for easier packing. Also has storage for 3 mags or a 50 round box & 1 mag, and has two different cheek rests.
Last year in Lytton B.C. the temperature hit 49.6 deg Celsius (121.46 degrees fahrenheit) the next day the whole town burned down to the foundations. So 108F is nothing ! Lol 😉😊
Just my non-professional opinion but I don't see fancy .22 ammo doing anything special. In a defensive situation it is going to be shot placement and shot placement that makes a win or lose. No amount of expansion or another 100fps is going to make a hill of beans difference. You flub the shot with most any gun and you will see poor results.
It's a light grain 29* so it shoots faster to get through clothing and such it gives a better chance of penetration since without...you can kill anyone. Can really do much fance with .22 other than a little dimple they can a "hollow point"
Thank you for making this video. Of course I always want you to shoot .22 ammo reviews out of the TX22 since that's the only 22 pistol I own. I will wait to see a review on that before buying any. I have put every kind of 22LR through my Taurus and it has liked it all. I would love to have the faster velocity of the Punch, but I'm not going to buy any - even if I could find any - until I watch a bunch going through the Taurus. Great video as usual, thank you!
Most you tubers wont because they will be proven wrong how well the TX22 out does their prima donna .22s that cost way more and have failures that the TX22 does not. Mines Suppressed all the time only time i have issues is my own doing when its dirty from alot of Suppressed shooting.
I had thought about shooting my TX22 in this video but now I wish I had. I have several other .22 firearms that I can review with this Punch ammo and if I make another video I will make sure my TX22 is in it.
Good review but for 24 cents a round I'm not seeing the value. I think you're buying labeling hype. I just bought mini mags for 11 cents a round. Also what is it saying when one of the most reliable pistols on the planet (Beretta) can't feed it?
I think the Federal Punch is too powerful for the Bobcat. What I think is happening is that the magazine feeds at a consistent rate, but the slide is being pushed back too fast, and returning to battery too quickly. The failures to feed and the spent rounds being caught in the action, are to me strongly indicative of that.
I’d love to see what the cci stinger velocity is from the bobcat. My theory is that it would be not much more than the mini-mag (designed for longer barrel length) which is why it works. The punch just puts too much pressure on the slide bolt, increasing it’s velocity on opening, leading to a shorter dwell time to eject the spent case, causing the jams.
Hello Andrew. You have inspired me to make a video showing not only the velocity of Stinger ammo through the Bobcat but also shooting the Stinger ammo into a block of ballistic gel and checking expansion and penetration. Thank you for watching my video and I really appreciate the suggestion.
@@mixup98 one day when you get a high speed camera we can see how the bobcat functions with different ammo and why exactly some ammo brands don't work. I think Andrew is probably correct.
Put a BX-25 full of the stuff into a 10/22 and you'll have a pretty decent home defense weapon. Not ideal compared to a 9mm PCC or a 5.56 Carbine loaded with the right ammo (something like Hornady TAP urban for rifle or Speer golddots for pistol) but it's better than nothing.
Mine has a bx25 of minimag solids. Not that it will make it into the home defense rotation, 2 ar pistols next to the bed, .357 lever carbine by the front door.
I use the federal punch 9mm in my EDC. THEY LOOK DANGEROUS..if you haven't did a review on these,I would like that.great info And channel,never miss your channel.Carry Be Safe God Bless...
Hey guys, Mixup98 is too classy to ask for money from folks, but he does have a Patreon page so people can kick in a little toward these videos if you enjoy them. Since he doesn't have sponsors and you know TH-cam has demonetized him because "guns r bad", he's doing all this out of his own pocket. So, if you get enjoyment and useful info from his videos, kick a few bucks his way. You can do without that 1 Starbucks once a month. I'm sure my $5.00/month isn't financing his operations, but it should buy a #10 can of hominy for the squirrels once in a while. (No, I'm not affiliated with the content creator in any way except as someone who enjoys his videos.)
Good Sunday morning Latigo. You're right, I hate asking for money to help support my channel and it is something that I don't do very often. I appreciate the Patreon shout out, especially now with the high price of ammo and gasoline. Your support, along with all of my other Patreon supporters, is greatly appreciated and it really does help to keep my channel afloat here on youtube. You have always been a great supporter and I hope to shake your hand someday.
@@mixup98 My wife has relatives in your area, so traveling there isn't out of the question. If I do, I might bring some toys. But right now, it costs me $1/mile to go anywhere, so I don't get too far from the house lately.
@@latigomorgan Ouch! And I thought my Tundra got bad gas mileage. Contact me if you plan on getting out this way sometime and yes, please bring some toys.
My Bobcat has trouble with Punch and Norma Tac 22. The Punch is too light and the dwell time affects the Bobcat's action. The Norma Tac cases expand and stick in the chamber.
That was a really good view Those bullets Cook. The Beretta is probably having problems Case is a little longer on the punch and the CCI Stinger That's what I've heard.
Hey I enjoy yer vids. Federal Punch in my Walther TPH….no workee‼️ Failure to feed and fire. In all fairness, my TPH only likes CCI 36 grain because of the higher velocity. The Punch works great in my wife’s Ruger LCR snub nose. Just sayin’
Not unique to the 22LR, however in 22LR's the thickness of the brass case will be affected by the striker of the firearm and small pistols may have a challenge igniting the primer due to light strikes. Always test your ammo.
Try it with Anguilla 60gr sub sonic snipers it freaking loves them ,I had shitty experiences with both the punch and the silver tips the two that work best are shockingly the armscore hollow point high velocity, and the Anguilla sss with an honorable mention to the clean shot high velocity by cci
Too clean can sometimes be as bad as too dirty. I’ve seen Deagles, Hi Standards and even Model 41’s that hated being clean as much as they hated being dirty. In fact I won’t shoot a competition with a clean gun because of the weird failures you can sometimes get. I always shoot one or two mags, and with my Glocks sometimes 200rds without cleaning before an event.
@@mixup98 I think I probably got a "Big wheel", a "Lone Ranger" play set, and a "Tonka" that year. (Maybe the "hopity hop" too) 😆 Waiting 50 yrs for my first .22lr, was quite the "pleasure delay". 😉
@@joemorganeatmyshortschannel I haven't bought ammo in store in sometime,even with shipping and taxes online tends to be cheaper. But if you want to just test a box I agree you don't really save much by going online, depends on how scummy local stores are
Problems with the Punch ammo in the Beretta (failure to feed, eject) might be due to the light-weight bullet not generating enough of a rearward impulse to push the slide all the way back. The bullet profile looks a lot like that of the CCI Stinger which, coincidentally, is made by the same company (Vista Outdoor). The Stinger bullet is just 3 grains heavier, but the velocities out of a rifle are quite similar - both are easily supersonic. I don't carry a .22LR for personal defense, but if I did, I'd sure want one that was reliable and delivered as much energy on target as possible. The lightweight Punch round beats the heavier CCI Mini Mag bullet in the kinetic energy contest by about 40 ft/lbs, due to velocity. It ought to do well against such menacing varmints as canned sodas, 2-liter bottles, and the occasional rogue tomato. Nice review. Stay safe out there.
Thanks for a very informative review. There is no need for the Federal Punch ammo. It is marketed to sell it at a higher price than regular high velocity ammo with no apparent advantage. The Stingers ran flawlessly through the Beretta 21A but the Punch did not. The Stingers might be cheaper too. The CCI Mini-Mags are definitely cheaper and more reliable than the Punch in the 21A. The Velocitors through the Beretta 21A would make for an interesting comparison but they too are more expensive and harder to find than the CCI Mini-Mags. Are the Stingers and Velocitors worth the extra money compared to CCI Mini-Mags in the 21A? All three run reliably through my 21A so it comes down to personal preference. The Punch is too unreliable to feed consistently through the 21A so it would not be my choice for defensive carry.
Most of the time I try to stay away from hollow point 22 because I don't see the point when you're shooting milk jugs it's okay but give me at least a 40 grain bullets when it comes to self defense I like to have two holes leaking if possible.
Man was that shit cheap. I've shot pallets of 22 just wish I saved it all instead of letting the local 4h boys shoot it up, but glad the younger generation got into plinking
That was a long time ago compared to today's prices. I never plinked a lot. Tried to make every shot count kinda mindset. Still have some of that decades old .22 with the price tags on it (& 30-06). Took my 2 youngest to the range a few days ago. Left the .22 at home. Took the compact 9mm, compact .40 S&W, full sized 9mm, .45 acp 1911, 357 revolver, and the Glock 40 in 10mm. In maybe a little over an hour, blew threw $220. It was very educational as they experinced the different styles, triggers, weights, lengths of pull/ pistol and various effects with bullet types & manufacturers. But I remember standing on the bank, or edge of a corn field at 9 years old for hours loving every minute and maybe spending 10-20 cents.
I recently sold my Bobcat...Too many misfires of one sort or another. When the slide blew off,,That was it..Could not trust the little gun...I really like the design but I need every shot to go bang...
I've had two Beretta "Bobcats"... And they were both turds. One would only reliably cycle Winchester wildcat ammo... Which was crap in everything else I own, and the second would only function 100% on Aguilla super extra, which at the time way more than I was going to spend on 22 ammo for just one firearm... Needing special ammo to function was a deal breaker. So those both of those guns had to go live with someone else.
its 97 and humid as hell in Alabama!! federal punch is what I carry in my phoenix arms HP22A (i modded the pistol & I am saving up for another) An update I now carry a glock but I now am looking at 38 Specials, I've always wanted one. Nice snub nose would be inconspicuous and easy to carry when I'm working at the liquor store
The Beretta (I have the Taurus made to replicate it) doesn't like any ammo that has those edges on the lead. It catches the magazine. I bought a 500ct box of hollow point Remington and had the same issues. I had to open up the magazine a little bit and then they fire perfectly no hangups . So the problem is in the magazine. Not the pistol.
In Brazil, most aligators and even jaguars are hunted with 22LR on the brain! With bulet broof vests so common, one bullet between the eyes is guaranteed to stop cold !
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this ammunition. So many reviewers on TH-cam won’t call a spade a spade and it ends up just being an advertisement . The way you do unbiased reviews you show the viewers the real deal and that means a lot in today’s world.
Good morning Charley and thank you for the nice comment. All of the guns and ammo shown in my videos are bought by me (with the help of my Patreon supporters) and unlike some of the bigger channels I'm not obligated to give favorable opinions in any of my videos. I simply tell it like it is. If a firearm is a piece of crap, such as my Bearman derringer, than I will let my viewers know. Thank you again the great comment and it is always good to hear from you. Have a great Sunday.
I see a LOT of folks hating on .22 LR for self defense. It actually fits the bill when you have a small person who is somewhat intimidated by firearms to begin with and NEEDS to carry. If you do a little research you will discover that .22 LR was the round of choice by Mafia hit men and government assassins alike. It's all about bullet placement. Better choice IMO than .25 auto. Good Vid.
.25 is useless. Only possible benefit is rimless case. If you are able to load a magazine properly, no issue. Availability, cost, performance of ammo far better. Will take .22 any day over the .25. I’d consider a Kalibri over a .25. A pointed stick, even. Watching ‘The Man From Uncle’ episodes, in the closing credits is a still picture of NS and IK being ‘terrorized’ by a babe holding a little .25 auto. Looks like a novelty cigarette lighter.
I like that you didn't use a high capacity magazine for the rifle. So many reviewers do the 20, 30, and even 50 round mags. You were testing ammo, not showing off. You have my respect.
Another fun video. Tools & Targets has an entire series testing this round for penetration in gel against most every 22LR available. It out penetrates most everything out there out of a pistol.
Thanks for another informative video. I love the absolute silence of the desert surroundings where you shoot your videos. So hard to achieve for city dwellers.
I love the quiet desert and I don't think I could live anywhere else.
We're lucky here in Colorado where the Murdoch's Ranch & Home chain stocks Federal Punch in large amounts cheap! ($9/box). It's the primary load in our tiny EDC's (Her Ruger LCR 22lr and my Ruger LCP2 22lr). Runs flawlessly in my Ruger semi-auto. Thanks for the great video, sir!
I get ammo at Murdoch's too in grand junction
Hard to beat plain ole CCI mini mags. I like the 40 grain RN.
The bullet is heavy enough to cycle reliably in ever firearm I have owned. You can’t beat CCI quality.
That's gospel right there.
My Bobcats don’t like Mini Mag primers.
Both of mine had ejection problems with the Federal.
Mornin Mix. Love me some Mark series pistols.
I'm still hoping one day we will get to hear more about your background and work. I bet you have some interesting stories to tell.
Really wish he’d write a book!
To the 22 LR self defense haters out there. If your would be attacker gets 6 or 7 rounds of 22 LR hollow point in the belly.................he will stop doing whatever it was he was doing to get shot in the first palce.....Promise.
To the rimfire lovers, if you get the common click instead of bang or bad ejection / feed issues 22s are known for, you can will your 22 to your kid. You're better off getting a 380 centerfire 0r 38 special. Both of which can do 6+ rounds where you want them with more power and reliability.
@@FoulPet if you find a firearm/ammo combo that works you are fine.
See Paul Harrell’s video on 22 reliability. They are far more reliable these days, just some firearms do not like the zippier stuff.
@@andrewallason4530 Already watch it. He has slightly better luck than I normally have with 22. As he would say, based on my personal experiences, 22 has a failure rate of about 1 in 100. I've shot 200 rounds with no issues but I've also shot 50 rounds with multiple failures. So 1% IMHO is a fair estimate. With centerfire I "might" have a light strike in 2000 rounds. So if you we're rolling dice would you want a 1% failure or a .05% failure?
@@andrewallason4530 Have you ever heard someone say you're lucky. If it were a fraction of an inch more it would have been game over? That fraction is width and penetration. The diameter of a bullet and the depth matter. If you only have the chance to get one good hit do you want it with a 22 or a 9mm. It may appear that that small difference is insignificant but 1 mm in a direction could me the difference of clipping a vital or having little effect. A 22 out of a pistol loses a good deal of power btw. If we are talking rifles, the 22 gap is even more significant. A 223 eclipses a 22.
The only reason anyone should consider 22 for defense is that's all you have or you have a physical problem that prevents it.
@@FoulPet 22lr certainly has its roles in shooting…… primary self defense isn’t one of them.
I really like your chrono display setup. It films well and I wish other TH-camrs would follow your lead on that.
Awesome thank you for testing this!👍🏽😀❤️🇺🇸
You bet!
I so remember $1.99 a box for .22 LR any brand but wages were also very low in those years.
Compare the Punch ammo to other .22lr ammo. They have a much longer case, just like Stingers. I'll bet that is why your Bobcat did not like them. The longer case is needed to accommodate more powder to get the higher velocity.
I like your theory about the longer cases but I have shot Stinger ammo in my Bobcat without any problems. Maybe the lighter Punch bullet has something to do with it.
@@mixup98 I think the flat nosed bullet is the feeding problem with the Beretta.
A flatnose contacts the feed ramp sooner and lower than would a bullet with a round nose ogive.
Short compact pistols often have shorter steeper inclined feed ramps.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge..I got a BobCat and haven't shot it that much...
@@barbarasteed3966 you will love your Bobcat!
How can more gunpowder fit if the bullet base is in the same position relative to the cartridge base?
Further, it will still need to be within the oal specification for the cartridge.
Thanks again! You are saving me time and money, sir. I just watched and commented on your CCI Stinger video. Now I don't have to go out mess with those ammos. I will just buy more mini mags.
Hello Doug. I love it when I can save my viewers time and money. Thank you for taking the time to watch and comment on my videos.....much appreciated.
I used to wear my Bobcat in an ankle holster, but found that most ammunition would be problematic. I was very happy to see you fire yours with good results, and name the brands it likes. I will try them out. Sometimes it's just not practical to carry that Combat Commander, and I would really like to carry the Bobcat, but not until I find ammo that is reliable. Thanks for posting. This episode made me a subscriber!
Hello Doug. You can almost never go wrong with CCI rimfire ammo and I'm willing to bet that it will work in your Bobcat. I want to thank you for watching my videos and subscribing to my channel and I look forward to reading your future comments.
Thanks for sharing. One of my back-up revolvers is loaded with CCI Stingers, basically because they seem to perform well consistently & are usually available (recently, that is).
You can't go wrong with Stinger ammo in a revolver!
I bought the Federal Punch last year from Federal $9.99 per box !
As I use .22 WMR also I picked up some of that $19.95 !!
Well that’s the way it is for prices when you can find it !
Now back to the Federal Punch .22 !
I like it so far , groups tighter out of my Ruger single six than my 617 !
Ruger 77/22 it groups well with no flyers !
Do I carry it on days for my EDC ?yes I do!
Good test! You did well !
Thank you Norman 👍😎
I know this isn't anything particularly of importance when choosing which ammo to use, but that Federal Punch sounded awesome when fired out of the 10/22. It just sounded really cool to me.
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Nice to hear you still shooting. Love your videos.
Well hell.....Just when I had my sights, so to speak, set on an entirely different caliber and type of firearm I see a road trip in my near future (061322) to an area gun store where I hope the Ruger 10/22 takedown I fondled a few days ago will still be available for sale. And while I'm there, I might as well buy the Ruger Single Six that's been gathering dust in one of their handgun cases for over a year now.
awesome channel , so do you hae a story behind the channels name mixup98 ? thanks again Alan Thomas
My Beretta Bobcat .22 LR
( Manufactured 90s blued with wood grips ) LOVES Remington yellow jacket in viper conical shape bullets.. not one jam or stoppage with the yellow jackets/ vipers
I have never tried federal punch in my Ruger mark series. But standard federal ammunition jams up a lot in my Ruger’s. Even the 1022
I have used CCI Mini-mag hollow points exclusively in my old Ruger 10/22 since the late 70's. NEVER had a malfunction. I have a newer Ruger 10/22 takedown and use CCI stingers exclusively in it...also, never a malfunction (7 yrs. old now). I also have a Ruger Mark ll and use CCI Mini-mags in it...also, never a malfunction (bought in 82). Is it the ammo, the quality of the firearm, or both? Actually, I don't care. I get the accuracy and dependability with what I use, so if it ain't broke, don't fix it.
CCI all day.
Yes same on the ruger mk 2 at least traded a mk 1 for the mk 2 have another mk 2 made about the same time is stainless with a bull barrel , realizing just how far out of the loop I am in so much,never thought of using other ammo ? that was the higher priced ammo then :). I said something because agree like so many of my working tools "If it ain't broke why fix it" :) be careful thanks. Peace. Rick
@@wichitarick I still use my Mark ll but last year, I traded a Ruger LCR to my son after he had bought an old Ruger Standard (some call it the Mark 1) After breaking it down and giving it a thorough cleaning, it resides in my tack room at the barn for a quick "go to" for unwanted critters. It's been weaned on CCI Mini-Mags and works just as well as all my other Rugers. Just as accurate and dependable.
There are some great upgrades for the 10/22, extended mag release, auto bolt release, and a lot of different styles of pression bolts & levers. For the take down, mag lock makes a stock that locks both stock and barrel together for easier packing. Also has storage for 3 mags or a 50 round box & 1 mag, and has two different cheek rests.
Last year in Lytton B.C. the temperature hit 49.6 deg Celsius (121.46 degrees fahrenheit) the next day the whole town burned down to the foundations. So 108F is nothing ! Lol 😉😊
Ya that is a fake number or a temp in an enclosed place not an accurate reading. Climate propaganda temperatures these days. Especially BC...
OHOH, I have Federal Punch loaded in my Ruger SR22 and have not fired it yet. I will tonight to make sure it functions.
Just my non-professional opinion but I don't see fancy .22 ammo doing anything special. In a defensive situation it is going to be shot placement and shot placement that makes a win or lose. No amount of expansion or another 100fps is going to make a hill of beans difference. You flub the shot with most any gun and you will see poor results.
It's a light grain 29* so it shoots faster to get through clothing and such it gives a better chance of penetration since without...you can kill anyone. Can really do much fance with .22 other than a little dimple they can a "hollow point"
The TAURUS TX22 will eat it like Candy as does the RUGER 10/22.
Thank you for making this video. Of course I always want you to shoot .22 ammo reviews out of the TX22 since that's the only 22 pistol I own. I will wait to see a review on that before buying any. I have put every kind of 22LR through my Taurus and it has liked it all. I would love to have the faster velocity of the Punch, but I'm not going to buy any - even if I could find any - until I watch a bunch going through the Taurus. Great video as usual, thank you!
Most you tubers wont because they will be proven wrong how well the TX22 out does their prima donna .22s that cost way more and have failures that the TX22 does not. Mines Suppressed all the time only time i have issues is my own doing when its dirty from alot of Suppressed shooting.
I had thought about shooting my TX22 in this video but now I wish I had. I have several other .22 firearms that I can review with this Punch ammo and if I make another video I will make sure my TX22 is in it.
Good review but for 24 cents a round I'm not seeing the value. I think you're buying labeling hype. I just bought mini mags for 11 cents a round. Also what is it saying when one of the most reliable pistols on the planet (Beretta) can't feed it?
I ❤ my Rugers
Me to
Recoil spring is too light in the Bobcat to deal with the velocity of the Federal Punch.
I concur 👍😎
Premium & Tactical = $$. I really like the Mini-Mags! Thanks for the share!!
You're welcome Steven and thank you for watching my video.
I think the Federal Punch is too powerful for the Bobcat. What I think is happening is that the magazine feeds at a consistent rate, but the slide is being pushed back too fast, and returning to battery too quickly. The failures to feed and the spent rounds being caught in the action, are to me strongly indicative of that.
Same with the LCP II, ime
Awesome review Sir!
I’d love to see what the cci stinger velocity is from the bobcat. My theory is that it would be not much more than the mini-mag (designed for longer barrel length) which is why it works. The punch just puts too much pressure on the slide bolt, increasing it’s velocity on opening, leading to a shorter dwell time to eject the spent case, causing the jams.
Hello Andrew. You have inspired me to make a video showing not only the velocity of Stinger ammo through the Bobcat but also shooting the Stinger ammo into a block of ballistic gel and checking expansion and penetration. Thank you for watching my video and I really appreciate the suggestion.
@@mixup98 thanks mate. Just watched the new video.
@@andrewallason4530 Awesome....thanks again for the suggestion. 👍😎
@@mixup98 one day when you get a high speed camera we can see how the bobcat functions with different ammo and why exactly some ammo brands don't work. I think Andrew is probably correct.
Put a BX-25 full of the stuff into a 10/22 and you'll have a pretty decent home defense weapon. Not ideal compared to a 9mm PCC or a 5.56 Carbine loaded with the right ammo (something like Hornady TAP urban for rifle or Speer golddots for pistol) but it's better than nothing.
Mine has a bx25 of minimag solids. Not that it will make it into the home defense rotation, 2 ar pistols next to the bed, .357 lever carbine by the front door.
I use the federal punch 9mm in my EDC. THEY LOOK DANGEROUS..if you haven't did a review on these,I would like that.great info And channel,never miss your channel.Carry Be Safe God Bless...
I don't currently have any 9mm Punch ammo to review but I will be reviewing Punch .38 Special +P ammo in the near future.
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Good Sunday morning Latigo. You're right, I hate asking for money to help support my channel and it is something that I don't do very often. I appreciate the Patreon shout out, especially now with the high price of ammo and gasoline. Your support, along with all of my other Patreon supporters, is greatly appreciated and it really does help to keep my channel afloat here on youtube. You have always been a great supporter and I hope to shake your hand someday.
@@mixup98 My wife has relatives in your area, so traveling there isn't out of the question. If I do, I might bring some toys. But right now, it costs me $1/mile to go anywhere, so I don't get too far from the house lately.
@@latigomorgan Ouch! And I thought my Tundra got bad gas mileage. Contact me if you plan on getting out this way sometime and yes, please bring some toys.
How about CCI Stingers.... freaking crazy fast .22 LR
I chronographed Stingers out of the Beretta 21. They were in the 1000 to 1050 fps range.
Loved that intro
Wow that brass ammo’s echo is so different from the punch.
Great video as always. Love my Ruger 22/45. Fun Pistol!
My Bobcat has trouble with Punch and Norma Tac 22.
The Punch is too light and the dwell time affects the Bobcat's action.
The Norma Tac cases expand and stick in the chamber.
I believe I have a few boxes of Norma Tac 22 and I will try it in my Bobcat and see what happens. Thanks for the info.
thanks for the effort!
You are very welcome James and thank you for being a one year subscriber to my channel.
Good to see you.
You too Doug!
Been looking for them kind since last year.
Yep!! Fun fun fun in the hot sun.🇺🇸👍
Were you able to try those Aguila Interceptors in your Bobcat?? Just wondering how they did.
I haven't been able to find Interceptor ammo but hopefully I will find some in the near future.
I love all your videos so cool.
That's awesome.....thank you!
That was a really good view Those bullets Cook. The Beretta is probably having problems Case is a little longer on the punch and the CCI Stinger That's what I've heard.
That Ruger take down was impressive..
I like your Ruger takedown
Hey I enjoy yer vids. Federal Punch in my Walther TPH….no workee‼️ Failure to feed and fire. In all fairness, my TPH only likes CCI 36 grain because of the higher velocity. The Punch works great in my wife’s Ruger LCR snub nose. Just sayin’
Thanks for the feedback Joan!
may be BobCat wants warm-up for the Punch?
It's hot about everywhere
Amazing that certain guns 'don't like' certain ammo. Speaking of 22lr of course 🤔
Not unique to the 22LR, however in 22LR's the thickness of the brass case will be affected by the striker of the firearm and small pistols may have a challenge igniting the primer due to light strikes. Always test your ammo.
$8.99 at Cabela's
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Good video and I'll have to try some out of my Ruger 22/45 Tactical.
Maybe a stupid question but what is the difference between practice ammo and self defense ammo.
The grains of the cartridge. Practice is a lot less grains.
Usually price factors in.
not much difference if it's a .22
Very good.
Try it with Anguilla 60gr sub sonic snipers it freaking loves them ,I had shitty experiences with both the punch and the silver tips the two that work best are shockingly the armscore hollow point high velocity, and the Anguilla sss with an honorable mention to the clean shot high velocity by cci
Too clean can sometimes be as bad as too dirty. I’ve seen Deagles, Hi Standards and even Model 41’s that hated being clean as much as they hated being dirty.
In fact I won’t shoot a competition with a clean gun because of the weird failures you can sometimes get. I always shoot one or two mags, and with my Glocks sometimes 200rds without cleaning before an event.
Cool! I like .22lr for fun shooting.
Same here! I've been shooting .22 lr firearms since I received a Marlin Model 60 .22 rifle for Christmas in 1972.
@@mixup98 I think I probably got a "Big wheel", a "Lone Ranger" play set, and a "Tonka" that year. (Maybe the "hopity hop" too) 😆 Waiting 50 yrs for my first .22lr, was quite the "pleasure delay". 😉
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Stinger still had it beat for consistency, punch had that slight deviation, of course in this video.
cool intro loving that mav 88
Nice video, try a Ruger GP100 in 22LR, 10 shot great gun…..too hot out there for me..
that was a good video 👍🏻
Need I say more? I’d rather have the CCI anyway.
Thanks for watching my video, Mike.
@@mixup98 very welcome. I watch them often. I see my man Lucas McCain.
Very interesting.
Maybe on a hot day a straw hat would be better.
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108 degrees, but it’s dry heat. It only feels like 105.
People love that punch I'm wanting to try it in my 922 revolver and Marlin 795 I've yet to see a box
Easily available online if you want it. Expensive for 22 at 20ish cents per round.
@@jacobt1027 I don't buy ammo online if I can help it it's something I just want a box of to test I'll wait until I see it locally
@@joemorganeatmyshortschannel I haven't bought ammo in store in sometime,even with shipping and taxes online tends to be cheaper. But if you want to just test a box I agree you don't really save much by going online, depends on how scummy local stores are
@@jacobt1027 I get discount at local shops they are family run
Can find it at Optics Planet for 10.99 a box
Problems with the Punch ammo in the Beretta (failure to feed, eject) might be due to the light-weight bullet not generating enough of a rearward impulse to push the slide all the way back. The bullet profile looks a lot like that of the CCI Stinger which, coincidentally, is made by the same company (Vista Outdoor). The Stinger bullet is just 3 grains heavier, but the velocities out of a rifle are quite similar - both are easily supersonic. I don't carry a .22LR for personal defense, but if I did, I'd sure want one that was reliable and delivered as much energy on target as possible. The lightweight Punch round beats the heavier CCI Mini Mag bullet in the kinetic energy contest by about 40 ft/lbs, due to velocity. It ought to do well against such menacing varmints as canned sodas, 2-liter bottles, and the occasional rogue tomato. Nice review. Stay safe out there.
Thanks for a very informative review. There is no need for the Federal Punch ammo. It is marketed to sell it at a higher price than regular high velocity ammo with no apparent advantage. The Stingers ran flawlessly through the Beretta 21A but the Punch did not. The Stingers might be cheaper too. The CCI Mini-Mags are definitely cheaper and more reliable than the Punch in the 21A. The Velocitors through the Beretta 21A would make for an interesting comparison but they too are more expensive and harder to find than the CCI Mini-Mags. Are the Stingers and Velocitors worth the extra money compared to CCI Mini-Mags in the 21A? All three run reliably through my 21A so it comes down to personal preference. The Punch is too unreliable to feed consistently through the 21A so it would not be my choice for defensive carry.
*_BTW & FYI - I won't watch a video of yours that I don't like, therefore, I always hit before I watch it._*
Mixup98 you are the man, your son too! Love the work you do and knowledge you share....
We appreciate that Rick....thank you.
Brand or name .22 doesn’t matter with an eye shot.
Most of the time I try to stay away from hollow point 22 because I don't see the point when you're shooting milk jugs it's okay but give me at least a 40 grain bullets when it comes to self defense I like to have two holes leaking if possible.
My TX22 eats Punch flawlessly. It’s what I keep loaded at home for my wife if, God forbid, she ever needs it.
You should have a million subscribers. No-nonsense reviews, excellent marksmanship, some humor thrown in, and great presentation. Thank you! 🙏
I spend a lot of time and money on making these videos and comments like yours make it all worth it. Thank you Stan. 👍👍
Always a pleasure MIXUP , nothing like early morning aroma therapy to get the day started .
Keep plinking big man .
Good morning Tom. I hope you enjoy your weekend.
@@mixup98 Grass cutting and aroma therapy for me tomorrow , take care big man .
I can remember going to K mart and picking up a brick of 500 .22 for less than $5
Man was that shit cheap. I've shot pallets of 22 just wish I saved it all instead of letting the local 4h boys shoot it up, but glad the younger generation got into plinking
I think you'd get more than that weighing the lead and brass in these days.
That was a long time ago compared to today's prices. I never plinked a lot. Tried to make every shot count kinda mindset. Still have some of that decades old .22 with the price tags on it (& 30-06). Took my 2 youngest to the range a few days ago. Left the .22 at home. Took the compact 9mm, compact .40 S&W, full sized 9mm, .45 acp 1911, 357 revolver, and the Glock 40 in 10mm. In maybe a little over an hour, blew threw $220. It was very educational as they experinced the different styles, triggers, weights, lengths of pull/ pistol and various effects with bullet types & manufacturers. But I remember standing on the bank, or edge of a corn field at 9 years old for hours loving every minute and maybe spending 10-20 cents.
Still have some that is marked $4.47 per brick of 500
Mega upvotes !!
I haven’t shot the punch in my 21a yet, but I have bought quite a few boxes of it even though it’s pricey.
Please let us know if the Punch ammo works in your 21a once you shoot it.
If a gun doesn't shoot stingers, it will probably not like the punch as they both have the same longer than standard case.
I have shot Stinger ammo through my Bobcat without any problems so I really don't know why it doesn't like Punch ammo.
👍😊 I’ll stay with CCI.
I'm with ya bro. CCI has always been my go to and honestly can't think of a time that it's not performed or functioned for me.
I recently sold my Bobcat...Too many misfires of one sort or another. When the slide blew off,,That was it..Could not trust the little gun...I really like the design but I need every shot to go bang...
Great video as usual sir! Love watching you shoot! Im really liking the 22 punch so far! 👍
I've had two Beretta "Bobcats"... And they were both turds. One would only reliably cycle Winchester wildcat ammo... Which was crap in everything else I own, and the second would only function 100% on Aguilla super extra, which at the time way more than I was going to spend on 22 ammo for just one firearm... Needing special ammo to function was a deal breaker. So those both of those guns had to go live with someone else.
This guy would be the best grandpa!
Thanks Stan!
its 97 and humid as hell in Alabama!! federal punch is what I carry in my phoenix arms HP22A (i modded the pistol & I am saving up for another)
An update I now carry a glock but I now am looking at 38 Specials, I've always wanted one. Nice snub nose would be inconspicuous and easy to carry when I'm working at the liquor store
How well or poorly did the punch work in your Phoneix Arms HP22? I used to have one of those and it ate everything I put through it.
Nice job. Enjoy your show. We ran over 100 rounds of Punch thru our Keltec P17. Ran without a hiccup. Will definitely get some CCI shortly.
Thank you for the compliment and maybe someday I will get the opportunity to review a Kel Tec P17 👍
Nice demo of 22 caliber ammo fired in various mechanisms.
Thanks for the awesome comment CactusBaboon !!
The Beretta (I have the Taurus made to replicate it) doesn't like any ammo that has those edges on the lead. It catches the magazine. I bought a 500ct box of hollow point Remington and had the same issues. I had to open up the magazine a little bit and then they fire perfectly no hangups . So the problem is in the magazine. Not the pistol.
In Brazil, most aligators and even jaguars are hunted with 22LR on the brain! With bulet broof vests so common, one bullet between the eyes is guaranteed to stop cold !
Seems like punch would be good for a NAA mini revolver. Good video.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this ammunition. So many reviewers on TH-cam won’t call a spade a spade and it ends up just being an advertisement . The way you do unbiased reviews you show the viewers the real deal and that means a lot in today’s world.
Good morning Charley and thank you for the nice comment. All of the guns and ammo shown in my videos are bought by me (with the help of my Patreon supporters) and unlike some of the bigger channels I'm not obligated to give favorable opinions in any of my videos. I simply tell it like it is. If a firearm is a piece of crap, such as my Bearman derringer, than I will let my viewers know. Thank you again the great comment and it is always good to hear from you. Have a great Sunday.
I see a LOT of folks hating on .22 LR for self defense. It actually fits the bill when you have a small person who is somewhat intimidated by firearms to begin with and NEEDS to carry. If you do a little research you will discover that .22 LR was the round of choice by Mafia hit men and government assassins alike. It's all about bullet placement. Better choice IMO than .25 auto. Good Vid.
.25 is useless. Only possible benefit is rimless case. If you are able to load a magazine properly, no issue. Availability, cost, performance of ammo far better. Will take .22 any day over the .25. I’d consider a Kalibri over a .25. A pointed stick, even.
Watching ‘The Man From Uncle’ episodes, in the closing credits is a still picture of NS and IK being ‘terrorized’ by a babe holding a little .25 auto. Looks like a novelty cigarette lighter.
Government assassin? 🤔
@@omarjason1255 CIA etc.
I like that you didn't use a high capacity magazine for the rifle. So many reviewers do the 20, 30, and even 50 round mags. You were testing ammo, not showing off. You have my respect.
Any yet the velocity of the CCI was slower than the Punch. Just like yer Bobcat, my TPH just does not like the Punch. That doesn’t mean the Punch sux.
Olá! Do Brasil para vocês. Teste magnífico. 🇧🇷🇧🇷🇧🇷