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- Today we're looking at three different ways to enter a Holding Pattern. These include the Direct Entry, Offset or Teardrop Entry and the Parallel Entry.
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Just a heads up, I made a mistake in this video at 1:25 where I incorrectly give the reciprocal direction. It should be 225 degrees.... not 255 degrees.
XD I was like whaaat
+2 -2 my man
I caught that immediately
@@peruvianpilotjr5365 same here ahahaha
It made me think I was so dumb lol
Rule for reciprocsls-add 2 to the first number, subtract 2 from the second, or subtract 2 and add 2 (otherwise numbers can be overly large like 500). so recip of 351- subtract 2 and add 2= 171
Beechpilot dude thank u 4 this tid bit. Awesome
Simple and clever
115 / 315
Yeah that’s how my instructor teaches it and it is so much easier because it is simple math
@@missionaviation2907 115/335 or 135/315
As an instrument student I can say that your explanation is the best. Don’t bother listening to these perfect people when you make a human mistake. I knew what you meant.
Thank you and Yes, please make more videos.
Thanks for the very kind words, I'm surprised how well this video has done with Instrument and CPL/ATPL students. It's a surprisingly difficult subject to fully grasp but I've luckily just about managed to learn it in theory!
This has got to be one of the hardest subjects in flight school. My flight instructor failed me 4 times on this subject. It's hard enough when you're in a simulator. It's even worse when you're up in a training area.
Oh and if you do read this: you don't have ppl or cpl right? Great job on teaching this subject though! Keep it up! Just started watching your vids.
Yeah when I was researching for this video I found that A LOT of people said this was one of the hardest topics for them to understand. And no I don't have a PPL, I'm just a flight sim enthusiast.
first of all, i m not surprised. i think you have to practice different entries and degrees to decide which type entry otherwise its all going to remain trial and error guesswork at worst. its got to be practiced by drawing it out on paper and deciding what to do. also, get a different flightinstructor who will practice holds.
I just discovered your channel, it's a goldmine ! Thank you for all the tutorials !
+dexter9313 No problem at all! Glad you like the videos!
my method is simple : i just look at the chart figure out my position and then decide which one is the. best. The good way of learning this is to draw it on a sheet of paper and then practice practice practice. Good and edacucational video Thumbs UP and sub :)
BEST explanation, hands down!!
Great Material !!! Many, many, thanks !!! Happy New 2022 Year !!!
Doofer911 you may not think you are an educator but you would be so very very wrong about that. You're a natural.
Hey Kevin, thanks for the very kind words :) Just glad my videos are good enough to help people!
I discovered your channel last week and I love your tutorials! Thank you so much!
You're welcome, glad you like the vids :)
I'm confused about the POD Method and how it works for holding patterns.
Once you understand holding pattern entries these are a treat to practice
This video was so helpful, thank you!
Great and simple explanation for a very complicated initial procedures, tnks
Glad my video could help :)
Great tutorial, I can see a lot of work went into it so thanks. A follow up tutorial would see your different entry techniques put into practice. Thanks again.
+Papa H Yeah I think I'll go ahead and do the video as an extra anyway, may help some people fully understand the procedures :)
Awesome! That was a fine technique!!
The reciprocal equals the outbound leg. The charts that I've seen all include this course. Hence, you don't need math. In your case, the chart directly shows 064°.
Focussing on the right hand pattern, if this course is left to your actual course, you will use P or D. If it is to the right, you will use O or D.
The decision line is following the 110° (left) and 70° (right) compass markers.
Your method, slightly rewritten, could be:
1. Set the course towards the FIX.
2. Determine the outbound course from the chart.
3. If this course is within 110° to the left, use P. Otherwise use D. If it is within 70° to the right, use O. Otherwise use D.
The left hand pattern swaps left and right.
I hope that this might clarify your explanation a little bit.
Btw. I have learned a lot from your tutorials. Thanks.
Another small detail: I looked at the London Heathrow approach chart. It contains two mirrored patterns, i.e. right hand and left hand patterns using the same FIX. One at HONILEY and the other at WESTCOTT. You could try to exercise a shift from right hand to left hand pattern. I think it could be very educational.
Thank you so much for this video 👊🏼
What an amazing vid!! Nobody can explain anything as well as you can! I want to take my PPL in the future and buy a flight sim. I will always be using you)
I'm so glad you enjoyed it! :) As I say in my video descriptions, I'm just a flight sim enthusiast so trust anything your Instructor says over anything I talk about in my videos.
I am 57 and have been an avid FSX user for many many years. Before and during my PPL training last year I watched some of your vids and now I have my PPL and am training for my IR(R) I am back to your vids. I agree with comments above. You are a natural educator. Thank you for taking the time.
Amzing video ! help me so much !! thanks a lot
When entering parallel, you do not fly back to the fix at a 30 degree angle. When you start your turn back to the fix, you continue that standard rate turn until you intercept the inbound course and then track inbound until you pass the fix.
Perfect.. Thank you .
Your videos just make me a young pilot
I'm glad they could help :)
Thank you very much sir..Your videos are really helpful.
Glad you like them :)
Excellent review of holding, Bilbo.
Glad the video could help :)
When a TH-cam FSX tutorial helps you pass your ATPL Air Law exam more than your ground instructor did
Geez, is that true?! If so.... could I ask a favour?
Ah yeah sure, what do you need?
Actually, don't worry about it. I'm thinking of making a personal website to showcase what I can do and I was going to ask if you would mind writing a little more detailed plaudit so I could say "Look, here's what an ATPL student said about my video..." but it's ok. I may end up just picking and choosing TH-cam comments :)
Well, you did help me, definitely won't mind doing that for ya! Here ya go :
"Had trouble grasping the concept of holding pattern entries whilst studying EASA ATPL Air Law, and to make things worse, my ground school instructor was not really that great at explaining it either, so I ended up having to research it and I stumbled upon Doofer911's tutorial video on that very same subject. Didn't even have to watch the whole thing, the instructions coupled with the graphics made me grasp the concept fairly quickly. 3 days later I sat down for my ATPL exam and lo and behold, there were 2 holding pattern entry questions! Thanks Doofer!
James M., Commercial Pilot Student"
Oh wow, that's perfect lol, thanks very much! :)
Super helpful, these holds are pretty tough.
Yeah out of all the videos I planned, researched, practiced and recorded.... these holding pattern videos were the hardest for me to learn.
for direct entry-you dont need to intercept the inbound course first.If you coming in at right angles to the inbound, lets say anything from 70 to 110 dgrees-fly over beacon for 17 seconds, then start turn for 20 seconds, then outbound for a remainder 30 seconds, and the ``1 minute outbound leg `` will have been completed.Then turn inbound to theinbound course to the fix.
just to let you know, your 20 degree line should be added to your abeam radial. Or another way, subtact 70 degrees from the radial coming from the fix. In other words, your angle ( pinky to thumb) needs 40 degrees added to it for the POD to work correctly for a legal standard right hand holding pattern
Horray! This is a good 👌 video to watch... I think that a pilot's best friend is an imaginary pet dog whom I call "Low Workload", and that dog has four feet and a tail, nothing more, nothing less... An airborne aircraft may perform patterns, but those patterns are intended to keep the workload manegeable, keeping the maneuver simple, by following just the needed steps to accomplish the goal; doable, by limiting the maneuvers to the simple prestablished steps. "Doability" is what is sought after, not PERFECTION. From 3:30 to 3:55 on the video "Low Workload" stepped out, and "Overload" stepped in...
Awesome video man
Thanks, glad you liked it!
Yes very help full understanding entries in holding pattern. But in the simulator it will be (maybe) difficult to use the POD method... But it's still possible to imagine the right hand over the DHG to have a good idea on what is the best entry to use. (if it's a right holding pattern obviously). I never knew this memo technique so it is so simple to apply I really well understood how to do. Very good job my Friend. And as said earlier a good extra video in the cockpit airplane on a full entry method and hold would be nice with your very clear commentaries (if you have the time and patience the Offset and Parallel entries examples witch are the more complicated would be nice). Keep your good work you are the best on the fly tutorials videos. Your commentaries are clear and well documented and under laying text are very help full to understand. Best wishes ;-)
Thanks for the kind words :) Yeah I think if you can remember that the POD Diagram has that 20 degree tilt to it, then you should be able to figure out the sectors accurately. As you saw, the vertical line simply matches your heading when you're flying to the Fix. I#ll definitely be preparing a demonstration video for this weekend!
Oh many thanks Doofer for your future video about pattern entries... And yes it is enough perceptible to imagine an established horizontal line banked at 20 degree on the DG either on the left side for the right pattern or right side for the left.
I have learned so many things about flights with you, I can't pass out of your videos tutorials now. I keep you as a reference for tutorials FSX or others flights sims too. Thank you very much. All the best to you ;-)
Pretty cool
awsome!
Excellent thanks!
You're welcome, thanks for watching :)
Hi! do you an explanation video of how to go to a fix? (fix to fix navigation) with two RMI or With 1 RMI and a DME methods
I have Zibo x plane 11 B737-800 and when I exit the hold the aircraft does not automatically return to the airport. I tried many different ways but it
will only return to the missed app. airport if I open the map and vector it to the airport. Any advise on this matter? Thanks!
1:35 -> 45+180 = 225, not 255 :p
Yeah...... I done goofed!
Is it bad that I use this to learn for my theoretical IFR exam?
I just start to learn IFR flying, this video gave me a lot of help right on time. Thank you so much. I got a question. Is it working on CDI and HSI as well?
Yes I believe you can use the CDI and HSI in the same way.
Thankyou for the video! But how if the holding pattern is not right over the vor? How we can proceed to holding pattern directly with right DME so we can choose which procedure that we'll use?
A Fix can be an intersection between two VORs so it'll be a bit more difficult to work out but it is possible. Alternatively, you also get GPS fixes so if you have a GPS on board, you can use that to calculate the holding pattern. As for DME, my understanding is that the legs of a Hold can be defined by distance rather than time, that's my understanding of DME being involved in Holding.
Very nice explained
Thank you, glad you liked the video :)
Doofer911 Of course ;)
is it the same as flying in the traffic pattern?
Your videos are very clear and helpful. Please also advise me what software to use to record and upload my FSX flights.
There's many options, you have FRAPS, OBS, X-Split, Nvidia Shadowplay.... there'll be many more.
Thanks a lot. Your advice on video recording software helped me to successfully record and upload FSX flights
I’m having a hard time understanding why you’re suggesting a parallel entry. If you’re flying heading 150 towards the fix, you’d be approaching from bottom right, which may call for a direct entry. Or am I looking at it incorrectly? Any comments appreciated, just started IFR training and trying to wrap my head around holding patterns. Thanks
I have the same question For instance if you are flying difectly towards the fix lets say 100° why u want to go for a parrallel entry instead of a direct one
What about handling winds and impact on the pattern?
Triple drift for your outbound leg. Single for inbound. Subtract/add a second for every knot of tail or headwind during ur outbound. All very relative stuff tbh.
@Doofer911 Please note, your angles of entry are not correct in accordance with ICAO DOC 8168 Volume 1. Your direct entry should be (with an inbound radial of 90) From 20 all the way around to 200. For offset: from 200 to 270. For parallel: from 270 to 20.
@ 7:54 where do u get "314" from for ur VOR radio.. shouldn't it be "334"?
Thats what I had thinking as well
He is clearly flying outbound from the VOR on a radial of 334°
i have a question please. what if you are doing a parallel entry and there is another plane holding and you meet the other plane face to face ?
Won't happen. ATC will tell aircraft to enter a holding pattern at different altitudes. Planes in a holding pattern will always have a safe vertical/height separation
dude you should have done the actual parrallel entry. I got it to make all sense and just want the entry to consolidate it. can you do it pls? so I can see the dials etc moving
I may not be understanding something. but should you not inverse the pod pattern on the heading display so it is like you were using your left had? Because you heading in relation to the holding course is inverse of the holding course's relation to your heading. Imagine if you were flying in on the border between direct and teardrop, and see how you would calculate.
IGNORE ME. pod IS the inversed pattern from the areas if you imposed them on map.
Yeah, IIRC you invert the POD method depending on whether you'll be flying the hold clockwise or anti-clockwise.
12:04 aahahahahahaha I fucking love this guy, he is giving the best to give us to understand all this concept😂👌⚘
This for me was one of the most difficult things I've tried to learn when it comes to aviation! :/
With the teardrop how do you know when you’re flying at a 30* angle
Eg. Hold west of ABC VOR, the fix for ABC VOR is on the 090/270 radial...standard right turns...I'm coming from the NE direction....Once I reach my fix, I will fly 270-30 degrees= 240 heading, for 1 minute, then make a right turn to intercept my inbound leg of 090. This an example with calm winds/no winds!
LARS, L+30 or R-30,...if your fix is on the 090/270 radial, then you would add 30 degrees and fly that heading for 1minute before turning to intercept your inbound leg, if you are doing NON-STANDARD left turn. For STANDARD right turns, you would substract 30 degrees from the radial and fly that heading for 1 minute before intercepting. Hope it helps.
hmmm this is complicated. can you do the individual videos on the inverness map.
also you showed a different inverness map not the runway 23 approach. looked like the runway 5.
if you start throwing wrong reciprocal radials, how can I trust on you dude?
Reciprocal of 045 is 225 thank you!
You're welcome
The reciprocal of 045° is 225°, not 255°. from 0° to 180° you add, from 181° to 359° you subtract, to find the reciprocal. Dont know where you got 255° from.
To me, if I have to take the direct entry awkwardly, I would intentionally miss the FIX and do a teardrop approach
at 4:22, you say to fly the hold for one minute. What speed is to be maintained?
It's usually up to the pilot to decide. Some holds have speed limits, and there may be times when ATC asks you to fly at a certain speed.
Doofer911 yeah, but different speeds will mean different distances in the hold legs, won't it???
Yep, not a problem, ATC will organise the aircraft in the hold. For example they may send jet aircraft which can comfortably fly at 250 knots to one holding pattern, then propeller aircraft that can only fly at 170 knots to a different hold for example.
Reciprocal of 045° is 225° NOT 255°
The reciprocal of 045 is 225 isn't jt?just?
Edit: ah I just saw your correction in the comments
Dont forget to add the WCA to your heading and add/shorten the leg lenght due to head/tail wind. ;-)
I'm not 100% sure if you do need to correct for wind conditions or not in a holding pattern. You certainly wouldn't change the leg length... each leg is normally 1 minute unless stated otherwise for special reasons.
Doofer911 Im afraid you change the leg lenght too, according to if you have head/tail/ wind. I got a formula from captain Joe from his last video about holding patterns. But for me adding the wind correction is an extra challenge and I really like it personally. Oh wait, maybe I'm using a B737, I guess its more affected by strong winds.
Ah fair enough, I didn't realise that. I assumed that ATC would clear any aircraft in and they would all be affected by the wind the same way but thinking about it now, that doesn't make sense, especially when aircraft are in a holding stack for a busy airport, such as Heathrow.
I tried using 100% traffic, and when ATC said to hold position I was like:
HI TH-cam!!!
You're legally allowed to enter a hold any way you'd like. Examiners will fail you for doing it any different than what the AIM suggest but it is legal. The only thing ATC cares about is that you're staying on the protected side.
That is not correct at all. Holding patterns are designed to ensure you are protected from obstructions and surrounding airspace. You legally and for your safety, must conduct the sector entry correctly. All good if you don't have terrain or obstructions, but very bad if there are. If you want a reference for this, look at PANS-OPS DOC 8168 Volume 1
Go to 3:12 listen until the end of his sentence and skip 5 seconds forward (on PC keyboard; right arrow ) There you have it :D
You got too much time on your hands buddy ;)
@@Doofer911 I've just realized it has to be 5 seconds forward skip. Try it you'll understand :D
Yeah this shit is still hard for me and I have an instrument checkride around the corner
This was one of the hardest, if not the hardest thing I learned during my simming studies.
I’m pretty sure the sector diagram is the wrong way round you have used the left turn pattern
it should come from lower right to upper left to be legit
1:36 reciprocal of 45 is 225 not 255
me neither my brain was hang when so the answer lol
45 degrees reciprocal is 225 degrees. 45 + 180 = 225 degrees not 255 degrees
I phone calculator 045 + 180 = 225 (not 255)
Reciprocal of 045 is 225..
Yep I've put an annotation in the video correcting that mistake.
Reciprocal 045 is 225
he didn't notice it just like you didn't notice this has already been covered 3 month's ago
the reciprocal of 045 is not 255
Yep you're correct, a simple mistake on my part. I've added an annotation to correct it.
At time 1:35 of video Maths on ground 045 +180=225 and Not 255😆
Confused 😐
045 + 180 = 225 not 255
45 radial is 225 not 255
I did correct this error with an Annotation which TH-cam have now taken off videos. Simply a mistake.
Omg 225 is reciprocal of 45
I did have an annotation correcting the mistake until TH-cam took them away.
@@Doofer911 How many people are going to keep pointing that out? haha! Y'all read the comments before stating the same thing everyone else has said.
You need to lear how to add 40 + 180 lol
You produce hours of video and you make one mistake and never hear the end of it....
dude 045 + 180 = 225.. kindly correct it
Got to fix the breathing issue it is effecting the cognitive process...
Well if you stop breathing, your cognitive processes also stop and I'm not willing to do that so.......deal with it.
NBA njiuhhh
Shouldn't it just be obvious what type of approach you should take? xP
I know right!...... I need to relearn Holding Patterns... :/
Your math is wrong sir
I know, I did correct it with an Annotation before TH-cam took them away.
225 not 255. Math.
I did have an annotation which corrected this however youtube removed the feature
You speak very slow. Makes me sleepy. Next tutorial! Bye.