@@Resi1ience It's not her job to hope that much. There's no logic to be that hopeful for someone like Zsazz(even as a Doctor). The best course of action is to contain him and drug him(just enough where he can't do any actual damage) while having a better understanding of his psychosis and methodology.
@@thephoenix4093 If you're too hopeful when it comes to a dangerous patient, you don't deserve to deal with patients like that. It doesn't mean to give up, it means to go the logical route to get a better understanding and find a better alternative.
The "good" Doctor? Are you mental? That crazy B**ch is willing to release a Serial Killer on Society with no Rumours. Shes as crazy as the fucking Joker
I mean they don’t really do their job well. The inmates keep breaking out for Batman to keep catching them, and they clearly don’t give them proper care.
Because due to their poor security and incompetency/ Doctors that are too hopeful, he basically gets blamed for it when they escape (the blame comes from the Readers who want Batman to break his no kill rule).
@@kaisa8863 That is something that I noticed about all three games. Not specifically the stupidity of the non-batmen but the massive body count. Each game was an example of Batman losing and then cleaning up the mess after which is something we don't usually get.
I think one thing people don't understand about justice systems that are meant to rehabilitate is that it's better for EVERYONE if you bite the bullet and give a few absolute pieces of shit better treatment than they deserve. That doesn't hold up in the world of comics where mass murderers escape asylums every other week so the superheroes still have people to fight -- but in the real world you can see that, generally, the more humane a prison system is, the less recidivism (re-offenders) there are. In the case of someone like Victor Zsasz, while he might never be cured, the people trying to cure him might learn more about similar conditions, letting them provide better treatment to patients who are less far gone in the future.
There's something magical in the way the writer(s) of this series do Batman's dialogue. It's always walking the line between arrogance and reason. In Arkham City, Alfred says, "The world's greatest marksman against the world's greatest detective. Who will win?" And Batman could have responded in a million lesser ways, but he takes an approach that is genius in its concision and conviction: "Not him." In other words, it doesn't matter what Batman has to do, even if it involves himself dying, bringing in other people, "cheating"; he will ensure that Deadshot does not succeed. Without the arrogance that would have been easy to write; without the humility that would not have fit the character, Batman nevertheless says the exact perfect thing. And this kind of writing is consistent through all of the games.
Or when Barbara asks him what if Joker poisons the water supply and Batman calmly and matter of factly says “He won’t.” That clarity of determination to speak his actions into being is part of what makes Batman such an effective hero.
It's interesting to see Batman's inner conflict with not wanting to be the judge and jury only the force that stops those who do wrong. He certainly does think a lot of people are deserving of the death penalty and probably disagrees with the treatments decided for a lot of people but the second he starts interfering with the process and dictates how people should be handled after they're brought to justice he feels he could never stop.
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 He clearly disagrees with the treatment of Zaz, if not he completely disagrees with how he's being treated. Yet he's still not interfering because giving himself that level of power would be too much.
@@obsidian4844 I've never seen Batman take a particular interest in the rehabilitation of his Rogue's Gallery. Especially not to the level that Flash does. Batman primarily enforces justice. He doesn't kill any of his villains or let them die because it's not just to not give them a chance to reform but he's not foolishly optimistic about their chances of reintegrating into society. He's simply the safety net of Gotham who can non-lethally capture its ruthless criminals when the police cannot.
@@obsidian4844 The whole point of Batman was not crossing the line of becoming the judge and jury, too much power has always been the main point, killing is the simplification of that because death is the ultimate judgement and Batman changing his tactics to lethal would be the ultimate power. If you disagree that's fine but then you should be upset at the implication of this cutscene more than my analysis.
I don't understand why everyone always disses Batman for following his no kill rule. Like, he brings in these criminals and puts them behind bars where the judges and courts are supposed to determine their fate. If anything, it's their faults for not giving these people the death sentence.
because he's part of the cycle, and therefore part of the problem. ample opportunity to take them down, never pulling the trigger, even in the most dire situations when it could be the easiest to do so and probably the safest. risks himself and sometimes even other hostages by taking down criminals the hard way. he's very good at what he does but that doesn't always means he is doing the best option. a few times to give a chance at rehabilitation is one thing. doing so over and over and getting no results at all other than more death to follow is negligent and irresponsible.
@@johnsmith-mi2uc but that's just the thing, he would be doing it outside of the law, which would result in him being a criminal according to the law. The few times Batman has murdered in the comics a lot of times he's viewed as no better than a criminal. A lot of people diss on him for it, but then when he does murder some villains in a comic or movie, then they just complain about that too.
Batman is passionate about mental health, and genuinely wants rehabilitation of the inmates. However his judgement is is not clouded by compassion, and he would never stop taking his eye off any of them, if they were deemed sane.
One episode actually covered that one. I think it was The Batman rather than TAS but still. The ventriloquist was rehabilitated and released. Batman kept a close eye on him for a while. The thing that got me is that he seemed genuinely upset that his old crew rebroke him and sad that he went back to his criminal life.
@@Blasted2Oblivion There was another episode like that with the Penguin, and even another one with Harley. Everytime a villain is rehabilitated in this universe, the first thing Batman does is say he'll be keeping an eye on them.
The question always is how much of it is insanity and how much of is pure evil. The Creeper for exampel is to mad to know what he is doing Scarecrow on the other hand is a human without any empathy even is own doctor says so
@@Blasted2Oblivion I love that episode because when nobody else would hire him Bruce gave him a good job at Wayne enterprises which speaks volumes on how he actually wants these people to be rehabilitated and cares about what happens to them after he drops them at the GCPD’s doorstep
of course, because he himself has a mental health issues too. dude could have just get himself a lady psychologist who's beautiful enough to help him mentally and sexually but he decided to dress like a fucking bat and punch thugs in their faces to cure the wounds inside his heart.
Fun fact the lady doctor is voiced by Adrienne Barbeau who voiced Catwoman in the DCAU. She was also married to John Carpenter. Edit: Made marital status correction
Oh yeah we’re totally committed to rehabilitation! Meanwhile, Arkham Asylum looks like something from the 1700s. I think even if you weren’t crazy going in, being committed to this asylum would get you there.
That's exactly what happened to Warren Whire- AKA; The Great White Shark. Plead insanity so that he'd get a lighter sentence, but ended up going batshit while locked up in Arkham whereas, while he definitely already was a criminal, he was at least sensible and sane.
@@stevenscott2136 Blame Cyrus Pinkney and Solomon Wayne for that one. Solomon was a judge in Gotham during the mid-late 19th century, and Cyrus was the city's architect during this time. They set the course for Gotham's well . . . Gothic aesthetic. Cyrus was also the man who designed Arkham itself after meeting its founder, Amadeus Arkham, and taking a liking to the young man's idea of rehabilitation over incarceration. It struck him as quite revolitionary and forward-thinking at the time. Alas, the facility almost seemed cursed with Amadeus' eventual madness. You can get the gist of the creation and backstory through the Spirit of Arkham recordings in this game, and Cyrus Pinkney's tale in Arkham Origins. It's really cool stuff in my opinion.
Yeah. I mean, guys like Joker or Zsasz are hardly going to respond to any treatment, but I doubt that the treatment they receive is any good given the way they can simply transfer a bunch of random goons to the place like it is an actual prison and not a mental hospital to treat people. Not to mention that the regulars of the Asylum are really worse than any Batman villain, because at least they are a little bit sane and capable of behaving like humans (to a large extend).
@@wesleywallace4426 One can say that about New York of the Marvel universe as well. Heroes and villains literally crawling out from under rocks like bugs.
@@SorowFame Just allow an officer of the law to perform one of their many lawful duties by shooting Joker while he’s committing one of his many violent crimes, which are endless. Boom. Problem solved. Because now it’s a legally justifiable kill and Batman didn’t have to take the law in his own hands to murder anyone as a vigilante.
i'd argue that Catwoman, Mr.Freeze and Harley if she's deprived of the joker permanently have a very high chance of being rehabilitated, granted, i dont think Harley would respond well if she finally wakes up and sees the joker for what he is, and if she were to relocate much like in the Harley Quinn series, the joker will most definetly come after her and do his whole speech about how she needs him and can't survive without him because without him, she's nothing, but with proper psychological treatment i.e. having Harley sit down and simply talk about things that are taxing on her mentally, she could theoretically move on and then the Joker will have nobody to abuse besides maybe his own henchmen, but he treats them as disposable assets and would kill them just for their shoelaces being untied for the giggles because he thinks that's hilarious
Yeah true like injustice harley quinn seems to have move on and become a hero and she also has a kid I think batman was the one who made harley quinn less of psycho
Not all of them. However in cases like Zsasz, Joker and Hush these people have crossed the line of insanity and into full-on evil. They are beyond salvation.
Jason and a few Gothamits think Batman is bad for not killing his enemies especially joker. But why don’t we take jabs at the justice system for not having the death sentence?
I always imagine batman refuses to kill cause he knows how fucked up he is and he knows that if he kills one person hes gonna go off the rails and kill hundreds the justice system in places with the death penalty already kills hundreds of INNOCENT people on the regular batman and the justice system make the same point from opposite ends you shoulnt trust anyone with permission to kill people
@@CaptainPrincessThe Justice System is broken in Gotham but I don't recall them killing innocent people. I think if the characters pushed the bureaucracy hard enough, they could make the death penalty have some exceptions like the Joker and Zsasz.
Because in real life once people are locked up for life they stay that way. If we had murderers breaking out of prison every other day mass murdering people like in a Batman cartoon then that would be a completely different story. Good lord are you seriously in need of someone explaining the difference between reality and fiction? Seek therapy. I'm begging you.
Batman does make a good point that it is virtually impossible to “cure” or rehabilitate Zaszz due to the fact that he has claimed multiple victims and marking set victims on his body through slashes. What he’s missing, however, is one simple thing that argues against any attempts to treat Zaszz: It was his choice. It’s nigh impossible to cure, treat or rehabilitate someone who choose to do what they do due to his firm beliefs.
I think this also points out how corrupt the system is. Zaszz has shown he no longer does this due to insanity but out of in an inane choice to do so. This would be easily proven in court. I also doubt that a jury would find him actually insane as he is truly a physcotic man of habit. He would definitely be on death row every time he is captured.
Y'know, I've always wondered that too. I've always thought one of two things might happen. Either he'll: 1) Stop killing entirely and just dissappear to live out the rest of his life (I honestly don't see Victor Zsasz as the type to reform) Or 2) Take his own life. Since his killing seems to be his only motivation for living, it's possible that once he has no room for any more tally marks *he'll* become his own final cut...
You would be surprised how many places he has left to tally. He has mentioned in the comics that the place he's saving for the batman is under his eyelid so that "every time he blinks he would be reminded of what an irritating little man he was". I have the feeling that if zsasz ever got to the point he ran out of places to mark, he would cut his own throat.
I believe he does think of himself as a victim. In his Arkham city tapes he explains how his parents were rich and as soon as he lost them he took to gambling and lost the fortune. So instead of blaming himself he victimises himself to claim that he's offering "salvation" to others thinking that their lives are as bad as he let his own get.
That ridiculous bit of edginess is part of the reason I stopped reading comic books after a certain decade. They try to constantly one-up each other for how much they can make the reader puke.
I always thought that to cure zsasz you kind of have to go through his logic he states in his tapes. I would ask him, "but aren't you as much of a mindless zombie who shuffles around as the people you go after? Is it really them that need salvation, or is it you? And what of the people who are not mindless, who enjoy what they do and have goals and purposes? They do not need salvation, when they already have it. "
I actually really like when heroes actually interact with the enemy's philosophy rather than just shutting them out and calling them crazy. Eventhough, irl you'd be better off just focusing on stopping them.
@@RiseUpToYourAbility Except that just makes a new killer. I wouldn’t know from experience, but killing someone isn’t easy for the average person. If they do it, it’ll haunt them forever at best, and at worst, they’ll think, “Huh, you know, Zsasz may have been onto something.” The point being, it doesn’t matter who the victim is; murder is murder.
"Honestly, lady, I couldn't give less of a shit about if he's ever rehabilitated or not. I only have one thing I want from anyone at Arkham." "Oh, and what's that?" "Keep the fucking doors locked for once."
I ince heard in a fan made video that he has reserved the last cut for himself. That place is on his heart. So when he rubs out if space he will use that part fpr himself. Don't know if that is canon or was made up by fans but it seems like something zsaz would do.
@@Kessekom Every time he kills someone , he cuts himself a new scar. He wlways cuts a scar when he kills someone. He believs that life is meaningless,that people are little more than mindless zombies who constantly repeat the same daily routine without any purpose. So he decided to kill everyone. He also considers himself a savior because by killing people he "frees" them from the meaningless tgat is life. And to remember them he cuts a scar into his flesh. He also doesn't value his own life as he has stated that he has reserved the last scar for himself. Meaning that when he runs out of flesh to scar he has reserved the flesh right above his heart for the final scar for himself. Since he won't be able to continue his ritual anymore he plans to die when he reaches that point.
Odd, the belief that anyone can be rehabilitated is the reason Batman refuses to kill the joker and keeps capturing him over and over instead. So you know you're hopeless when even Batman gives up on you.
He's not giving up on Zsazz, he's just telling the Doctor (who is surprised at the idea that Zsazz would be hard to treat) to have realistic expectations and be careful.
Last I checked after some time Batman stopped believing that the joker can be rehabilitated, he had only spared the joker in their future encounters because he had not believed it was his decision to make but rather the decision should be decided by the law
My favorite part of The Killing Joke is the final exchange between Batman and Joker, when Batman says “do you understand? I don’t want to hurt you”, and proceeds to offer Joker help: “we could work together. I could rehabilitate you. You needn’t be out there in the edge anymore. You needn’t be alone”. And the saddest thing is you can see that, for a brief moment, Joker actually considers his offer. This is what many people don’t get about Batman, he isn’t punishing the villains, he understands that they’re not truly evil. He sees himself on them, he knows that he also went through a great trauma and that he could have ended up like them, and he wants to help them.
Batman himself realizes that people like Zsazz will likely never be "rehabilitated". He likely wouldn't miss Zsazz when he's gone, either. With that being said, Batman prefers not to be judge, jury and executioner. Basically, he doesn't believe he should decide who gets to live and who gets to die. Because if he does cross that line, it's not something he can just go back and forth with. He's either a killer himself, or he's not.
@@infnitvlt618 That's the spelling I came across. Literally how other people in the comments were spelling it. It's just an error. Not the end of the world.
@Snake Shadows Your acting like I was pissing and crying over the misspell. I never said I was upset over it, I just thought it was funny that nearly everyone was spelling it wrong
he a no power bitch, if you're not willing to kill then shut up about it and stop trying to pawn off the responsibility onto other people. Look how many of Bat's criminals have escaped to kill again.
I appreciate that Batman wants to rehabilitate his enemies and to help them be healthy again. Arkham, depending on the context, can be a good or bad place to send them but I always liked that there's that sort of hopeful side to Batman. Even when it comes to patients like Joker and Zsazz who probably can never be properly rehabilitated, he understands that and just wants them to be safe and out of harms way for themselves and others.
The way I see it, The Joker could be rehabilitated, it would just take a lot of time and effort. While Zsasz is doing what he does out of a bad moral compass, Joker knows right and wrong but chooses not to act on those values. (Although I am not a therapist in any sense) I do think it would be possible to correct The Joker and turn him into a standard citizen
It's pretty amazing. A psychologist's job at their core is to help people mentally overcome. Batman's job at its core is to try to understand in order to defeat/subdue.. you can really feel that here
Batman: ...you know i dont feel good about this but- Doctor: but its kinda nice that he is dead right? Batman: yeah i mean i wasnt gonna do it, i couldnt do it you know...
Yeah I think because batman wouldn't approve because if there is a death a penalty then batman s no killing cod would be pointless send the crazy one's into arkham asylum just so the get death penalty to batman is basically like killing them
Fan fact, Gotham does have capital punishment. But, like most US states with the death sentence, it can not be given as punishment to a clinically insane person. It’s brought up it the Gotham Central comics, when a GCPD detective starts screaming at the judge in a court case against Mr. Freeze (who was on trail for murdering the cop’s partner) about it.
DC likes to "kill" off its heroes every other year, yet other than the Joker, I never hear about them doing it to villains outside of elseworld stories.
I can name a few. The Ventriloquist, Solomon Grundy, Killer Frost, Clayface, Kobra, Lex Luthor, Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, Ras al Ghul, Captain Boomerang and finally Reverse Flash.
If you want examples from the Arkham series: The Joker, Talia, Ras (although he always dies), Hugo Strange, Black Mask, Clayface (yeah, he's dead, if not for Batman, then throwing him to an exploding Lazarous Pit did) and Poison Ivy all die. I can't name examples from Origins considering I never played it though.
What’s interesting is that the doctor admits in audio recordings that she doesn’t think Zsasz can be cured. I suspect she’s trying to save face while using Batman as a way to vocalize what she can’t.
That is a fantastic point, I feel like he'd just like peel off chunks of the skin and start fresh with the stuff underneath and then keep the skin sheets in boxes somewhere
@@LloydTheZephyrian I have no idea, didn't mean anything as hate towards you haha, zaas is basically just an insane serial killer who cuts the tally of how many people he killed into his body.
Batman knows that it’s a possibility to rehabilitate criminals. However, Zsasz is truly a challenge because of the fact that he enjoys killing and keeps score as if it’s a life achievement. There are lots of things for the doctors and him to discover about this particular character before there’a a real breakthrough. Here are a few things to know though. Zsasz and his past are unknown. No one knows why he kills and does what he does. No one knows what caused him to kill but we do know what Joker has said before. “All it takes is one bad day and it could drive a man insane.” Joker proved that and so did Zsasz.
I really appreciate this scene for a reason I haven't seen yet. Zsasz, his gimmick is that he keeps the last scar on his head for Batman, his work of art, his life's goal at this point and yet... Batman still thinks that at the end, where no more flesh is left at all, something mental and crazy might happen. This can mean that Zsasz will of course continue killing even if he carves Batman on his head OR that he will never kill Batman (or he won't be the one to do it) and he will continue on and on to carve marks on his body. It's cold, sickening, inhumane and it seems as a never-ending satisfaction
Funny how he says that his enemies are irredeemable yet still doesn't think twice about trying to save them from dying, which sometimes lets actual innocent people die in the process.
Zaszz kills hundreds. Batman "he is not really curable mentally." Joker kill thousands in more sick and twisted ways. Batman "he can still be cure, I will bring him in again even though I know he will break out tomorrow."
@@MrJB8383 He has a no kill rule because he is one person. One person out of 8+ billion people whom all have ideas on how to dish out justice and have set up democracies to decide through voting/voting in representatives. Who is Batman to decide that they aren't doing it right, or that he should be an exception? He deals with criminals, then hands them off to the society he has vowed to serve. He isn't taking the matter into his own hands.
I like that batman never states that she is wrong about rehabilitation for zazz. But rather he just warns her that he is so far gone it would be an extraordinary feat of physiological mediance if she can fix him
I am actually quite curious what would happen if if Zsasz ran out of flesh to scar. My theory is take his own life as he had done all the "right" he could in his mind
You know, I used to think Gotham could never be real. That it was impossible for there to be people who think mass murderers can actually be rehabilitated until I saw San Francisco.
Zsazz entire body is scars and they still somehow believe that there's hope for him. This isn't the Gotham TV series version who has like 2 scars total, this guy has at least 250 of them.
Gotham really needs the death penalty. People blame Batman for not killing them, but it's really the governments fault for not protecting its citizens from dangerous, repeat offenders that show they can not be contained. Frankly it's strange that the death sentence isn't used more often in settings where you have supervillains.
I think the death penalty was used on the Joker in one comic. He had of course planned for it and was able to be revived before the point of no return.
Batman: * says something completely trite and banal * This TH-camr: "Batman is the wittiest, most handsome and amazing genius ever to breathe. I must share his eternal, flawless majesty with the world".
That would make an interesting story Zsasz killing so many realizes he has limited space left wanting now only worthy kills for that last spot. Until he has one last kill available, maybe Batman steps in and Zsasz inadvertently kills the wrong person. So now not only did he not kill his intended target but his last slash is wasted on some rando because of Batman. And now he realizes what does he do with his life now? Will he become even more unhinged looking for a purpose? Or will he want vengeance on Batman and will kill everyone and anyone to get to Batman and swear to keep Batman alive to use his flesh as a new tallyboard.
I mean, who knows, maybe she has a spare indigo lantern ring on hand? For those who don't know, the indigo lantern ring of compassion seeks out individuals who either possess abundant compassion or, in a twist, people with absolutely no compassion whatsoever. In the latter case, it grants them compassion and rehabilitates them, so it would be a way to cure Zsasz. Lady's still crazy though because she's saying this without knowing any of that
These games were so good man. This is my ideal Batman, amazing voice acting, gigachad physique, takes his job seriously but still keeps it witty, villains and sidekicks all look amazing, clever dialogue, all of it was great.
I never understood why people wanted Batman to kill people like the Joker or worse like I get that he's a vigilante, so he's already committing a serious crime along with a list of other technical crimes, but its Gothem's court systems job to throw the noose at the joker and if we really want rag on people I don't see no cop risking their badge or a civilian rationalizing that some time in prison is worth a dead Joker if the opportunity is there and certain to work. However this this is a comic book series that needs a revolving door of villains which automatically hits the world with a 10 point deduction in intelligence and logic which must suck for the in-universe people.
Many people do not appreciate a distinction between vengeance and justice. They are motivated by moral outrage rather than helping others. Batman is more mature than this audience because he doesn't need to satisfy his emotions, and this leaves them with a lack of closure they are too weak to resolve or accept on their own.
You wouldnt go to jail for killing the joker nor should you... he is literally almost always in the process of putting several lives at risk. It is not a crime to use whatever means to stop him. In fact its what people should do. Killing people who are in the process of hurting others is not only justified, it's what one should do. Batman is actually even worse because he knows just how crooked and broken the system can be, yet thinks that judges and lawmakers should have an absolute monopoly on thise kinds of decisions, when at the end of the day, they are literally just regular people too. Its bad enough that regular joe thinks this to be true, but he is literally only batman bc the system is broken, and yet still leaves it up to them. Its not so simple, and obviously wouldn't be as entertaining, but the real heroic thing to do would be to kill joker, and pretty much most of the villains. Sure sometimes he can thwart their plans swiftly without it, but how many hundreds of people have died from all the multiple chances these same villains have had? If a terrorist is holding a gun to someone's head, and the only way to bring them in without killing, wont happen until after they kill the hostage, then you just go ahead and kill them, and save the hostage. Thats not a judges job, thats literally every capable person's job.
You know darn well that given the things these villians have done, they would have been sentenced to death, not a loony bin. Especially after the first successful escape.
This could be attributed by Batman’s whole rouges gallery. Most of them aren’t even trying to be better ppl. Hell, the joker had like 3 chances through the series and still chose to kill. So why put them in an asylum if not to better them?
In a lot of medium including the comics, most of the rogues have been written in a way that makes redemption very much possible, take the detective comics run by Paul Dini, in which The riddler is a private investigator, or the suicide squad run where killer croc gets a girlfriend. In an ideal world in which there's no status quo, most of the rogues stories would end with redemption.
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Joker: "I am the craziest person in the world!"
Random arkham karen: "Zsazz will be rehabilitated eventually"
Joker: "Wow.... Now that's crazy..."
Lmfaoooo perfect
She _is_ doing her job. It _is_ her job to hope for that.
@@Resi1ience It's not her job to hope that much. There's no logic to be that hopeful for someone like Zsazz(even as a Doctor). The best course of action is to contain him and drug him(just enough where he can't do any actual damage) while having a better understanding of his psychosis and methodology.
@@Resi1ience there’s no hope for him
@@thephoenix4093 If you're too hopeful when it comes to a dangerous patient, you don't deserve to deal with patients like that.
It doesn't mean to give up, it means to go the logical route to get a better understanding and find a better alternative.
I love how Batman doesn’t disrespect the good doctor’s profession but at the same time keeps it real with her about Zasz
*Zsasz
The "good" Doctor? Are you mental? That crazy B**ch is willing to release a Serial Killer on Society with no Rumours.
Shes as crazy as the fucking Joker
Batman is really a good guy deep down. He just has tendencies to run around and beat up people trying to get their bills paid
he should have belittled her profession. doctors are stupid
@@Spartacus114 This doctor has a serious case of delusion lol, it’s like she forgets how Zasz is
While playing „Arkham Asylum” I always had this feeling that Batman hates Asylum’s staff.
He only hates the Doctors, as they have been known to abuse and mistreat the patients they are meant to be helping
He's probably just sick of them always being so incompetent lol
I mean they don’t really do their job well. The inmates keep breaking out for Batman to keep catching them, and they clearly don’t give them proper care.
Because due to their poor security and incompetency/ Doctors that are too hopeful, he basically gets blamed for it when they escape (the blame comes from the Readers who want Batman to break his no kill rule).
He doesn't really because in this suicide squad animated movie thst takes place in this universe, batman actually knows the staffs names
He does have a special spot reserved for you, Batman, who's to say you're not his final cut?
It could be anyone of us, it could be in this very comment section, it could be you, it could be me, it could even be...
*Gets backstabbed by Zsasz*
Sober the fuck up. In no fuckin universe zsas kills batman. He ain’t even touchin him
Better Batman than the doctor
Because He's The Batman he won't get cut unless The Batman Wants To!
@@deathtime5288 nah he can get cut
You have to admire the blind, stupid optimism of the Arkham staff.
Indeed. Which Is why most of died pretty quick
You can only help people who want to be helped. Almost none of Batman’s villains want to be helped. This optimism borders on the criminally insane.
@@kaisa8863 That is something that I noticed about all three games. Not specifically the stupidity of the non-batmen but the massive body count. Each game was an example of Batman losing and then cleaning up the mess after which is something we don't usually get.
I think one thing people don't understand about justice systems that are meant to rehabilitate is that it's better for EVERYONE if you bite the bullet and give a few absolute pieces of shit better treatment than they deserve.
That doesn't hold up in the world of comics where mass murderers escape asylums every other week so the superheroes still have people to fight -- but in the real world you can see that, generally, the more humane a prison system is, the less recidivism (re-offenders) there are.
In the case of someone like Victor Zsasz, while he might never be cured, the people trying to cure him might learn more about similar conditions, letting them provide better treatment to patients who are less far gone in the future.
Or batmans….
There's something magical in the way the writer(s) of this series do Batman's dialogue. It's always walking the line between arrogance and reason.
In Arkham City, Alfred says, "The world's greatest marksman against the world's greatest detective. Who will win?"
And Batman could have responded in a million lesser ways, but he takes an approach that is genius in its concision and conviction: "Not him."
In other words, it doesn't matter what Batman has to do, even if it involves himself dying, bringing in other people, "cheating"; he will ensure that Deadshot does not succeed. Without the arrogance that would have been easy to write; without the humility that would not have fit the character, Batman nevertheless says the exact perfect thing.
And this kind of writing is consistent through all of the games.
FR!!!!
Batman never comes across as arrogant cause he's inherently selfless
Batman is like the only character in fiction who’s soo savage but humble at the same time I’ve only seen this from The Doctor
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Too bad that Riddler can’t bring himself to see that because of his overinflated ego.
Or when Barbara asks him what if Joker poisons the water supply and Batman calmly and matter of factly says “He won’t.”
That clarity of determination to speak his actions into being is part of what makes Batman such an effective hero.
Still wondering why is that not a good enough reason for Gotham judges to think "This guy doesn't need treatment. He needs the chair."
Technically it's just because he's insane they can't give him a death treatment
Because it’s illegal to give someone the death penalty when they are mentally insane it sucks but it’s the law
why should zsazz be given a nice comfy chair? give him the death penalty
@@sorryifidontoffendyou6447 Yeah? Well time to break the law then.
@@sorryifidontoffendyou6447 The insanity please only works in %25 of cases, so he would only go so far with it.
It's interesting to see Batman's inner conflict with not wanting to be the judge and jury only the force that stops those who do wrong. He certainly does think a lot of people are deserving of the death penalty and probably disagrees with the treatments decided for a lot of people but the second he starts interfering with the process and dictates how people should be handled after they're brought to justice he feels he could never stop.
Batman is for treatment, that's why he doesn't kill.
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259
He clearly disagrees with the treatment of Zaz, if not he completely disagrees with how he's being treated. Yet he's still not interfering because giving himself that level of power would be too much.
BRO WHAT? That's the worst take I have ever heard about Batman. The whole purpose of the character is about rehabilitation.
@@obsidian4844 I've never seen Batman take a particular interest in the rehabilitation of his Rogue's Gallery. Especially not to the level that Flash does. Batman primarily enforces justice. He doesn't kill any of his villains or let them die because it's not just to not give them a chance to reform but he's not foolishly optimistic about their chances of reintegrating into society. He's simply the safety net of Gotham who can non-lethally capture its ruthless criminals when the police cannot.
@@obsidian4844
The whole point of Batman was not crossing the line of becoming the judge and jury, too much power has always been the main point, killing is the simplification of that because death is the ultimate judgement and Batman changing his tactics to lethal would be the ultimate power.
If you disagree that's fine but then you should be upset at the implication of this cutscene more than my analysis.
I don't understand why everyone always disses Batman for following his no kill rule. Like, he brings in these criminals and puts them behind bars where the judges and courts are supposed to determine their fate. If anything, it's their faults for not giving these people the death sentence.
because he's part of the cycle, and therefore part of the problem. ample opportunity to take them down, never pulling the trigger, even in the most dire situations when it could be the easiest to do so and probably the safest. risks himself and sometimes even other hostages by taking down criminals the hard way. he's very good at what he does but that doesn't always means he is doing the best option. a few times to give a chance at rehabilitation is one thing. doing so over and over and getting no results at all other than more death to follow is negligent and irresponsible.
Exactly. If people wanted them dead the cops could do it or the courts. But instead they put the burden and blame on Batman.
@@disableddragonborn Not really. They were always terrible people. They'd have been the same just without a gimmick.
@@johnsmith-mi2uc but that's just the thing, he would be doing it outside of the law, which would result in him being a criminal according to the law. The few times Batman has murdered in the comics a lot of times he's viewed as no better than a criminal. A lot of people diss on him for it, but then when he does murder some villains in a comic or movie, then they just complain about that too.
@@disableddragonborn actually a majority of villains Batman has went up against he was never responsible for. A quick Google search can tell you that
Fun fact, in the many versions of Zsazz, he always has a special place for batman's scar, but no one knows where.
I think it's his dong
His eye.
In the Arkhamverse version, it's on his forehead as the fifth tally
His Batwhole
Imagine it’s the inside of his brain/neck
Batman is passionate about mental health, and genuinely wants rehabilitation of the inmates. However his judgement is is not clouded by compassion, and he would never stop taking his eye off any of them, if they were deemed sane.
One episode actually covered that one. I think it was The Batman rather than TAS but still. The ventriloquist was rehabilitated and released. Batman kept a close eye on him for a while. The thing that got me is that he seemed genuinely upset that his old crew rebroke him and sad that he went back to his criminal life.
@@Blasted2Oblivion There was another episode like that with the Penguin, and even another one with Harley. Everytime a villain is rehabilitated in this universe, the first thing Batman does is say he'll be keeping an eye on them.
The question always is how much of it is insanity and how much of is pure evil. The Creeper for exampel is to mad to know what he is doing
Scarecrow on the other hand is a human without any empathy even is own doctor says so
@@Blasted2Oblivion I love that episode because when nobody else would hire him Bruce gave him a good job at Wayne enterprises which speaks volumes on how he actually wants these people to be rehabilitated and cares about what happens to them after he drops them at the GCPD’s doorstep
of course, because he himself has a mental health issues too. dude could have just get himself a lady psychologist who's beautiful enough to help him mentally and sexually but he decided to dress like a fucking bat and punch thugs in their faces to cure the wounds inside his heart.
I’ve played this game dozens of times 100% completing it every time I pick it up(including riddler trophies) and I have never heard this dialogue.
Yeah, me too
I did. And I play casually. Lmao
Me neither, I just B line it for the vent.
It’s after you beat zasz for the first time. In most cases, including me, we all just go straight to the vent, ergo missing out.
Because you gonna have to talk to her
Rest in Peace Kevin Conroy, truly a legendary voice actor ❤️
Fun fact the lady doctor is voiced by Adrienne Barbeau who voiced Catwoman in the DCAU. She was also married to John Carpenter.
Edit: Made marital status correction
Wow, that IS a fun fact.
Was Married , they divorced in 1984.
They divorced like 40 years ago pal
Nnnneat
@@RB-NZ2 NOT REALLY
Officer balls
Buhahahahahahahaha
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
Oh yeah we’re totally committed to rehabilitation! Meanwhile, Arkham Asylum looks like something from the 1700s. I think even if you weren’t crazy going in, being committed to this asylum would get you there.
That's exactly what happened to Warren Whire- AKA; The Great White Shark.
Plead insanity so that he'd get a lighter sentence, but ended up going batshit while locked up in Arkham whereas, while he definitely already was a criminal, he was at least sensible and sane.
The whole city looks like that. I'm convinced Gotham's entire population are insane, starting with the absinthe-addled architects who designed it.
that also happend to harlen quincel (depending on what lore you use)
@@stevenscott2136 Blame Cyrus Pinkney and Solomon Wayne for that one. Solomon was a judge in Gotham during the mid-late 19th century, and Cyrus was the city's architect during this time. They set the course for Gotham's well . . . Gothic aesthetic. Cyrus was also the man who designed Arkham itself after meeting its founder, Amadeus Arkham, and taking a liking to the young man's idea of rehabilitation over incarceration. It struck him as quite revolitionary and forward-thinking at the time. Alas, the facility almost seemed cursed with Amadeus' eventual madness. You can get the gist of the creation and backstory through the Spirit of Arkham recordings in this game, and Cyrus Pinkney's tale in Arkham Origins. It's really cool stuff in my opinion.
Yeah. I mean, guys like Joker or Zsasz are hardly going to respond to any treatment, but I doubt that the treatment they receive is any good given the way they can simply transfer a bunch of random goons to the place like it is an actual prison and not a mental hospital to treat people. Not to mention that the regulars of the Asylum are really worse than any Batman villain, because at least they are a little bit sane and capable of behaving like humans (to a large extend).
This sounds like something someone would say to batman when they're trying to convince him to kill the joker
Joker is bad but he’s not the problem. Gotham being a breeding ground for supervillains is the problem.
@@wesleywallace4426 it also simply isn’t Batman’s place to kill the Joker, if the Clown is to be killed it’s through the proper legal channels.
@@SorowFame But he won't, cause of money.
@@wesleywallace4426 One can say that about New York of the Marvel universe as well. Heroes and villains literally crawling out from under rocks like bugs.
@@SorowFame Just allow an officer of the law to perform one of their many lawful duties by shooting Joker while he’s committing one of his many violent crimes, which are endless. Boom. Problem solved. Because now it’s a legally justifiable kill and Batman didn’t have to take the law in his own hands to murder anyone as a vigilante.
I just LOVE that the game is voiced by Kevin Conroy. It's like we got bonus episodes of the animated series.
Not to mention this being the only Arkham game with Arleen Sorkin as Harley
(plus BTAS Catwoman Adrienne Barbeau as the doctor in this scene here)
And ofc Mark Hamill as Joker
R.I.P. Kevin Conroy.
@spongeboymebob771 That goes for pretty much all Kevin's Batman adaptations. Wherever Kevin go, Mark would follow along as his Joker.
@@jayemel At the time, he and Hamill were retired as Batman and Joker so it was awesome that they did the voices.
You can tell Batman wants to save his villains, but they're to a point where it's near impossible and too far to save
i'd argue that Catwoman, Mr.Freeze and Harley if she's deprived of the joker permanently have a very high chance of being rehabilitated, granted, i dont think Harley would respond well if she finally wakes up and sees the joker for what he is, and if she were to relocate much like in the Harley Quinn series, the joker will most definetly come after her and do his whole speech about how she needs him and can't survive without him because without him, she's nothing, but with proper psychological treatment i.e. having Harley sit down and simply talk about things that are taxing on her mentally, she could theoretically move on and then the Joker will have nobody to abuse besides maybe his own henchmen, but he treats them as disposable assets and would kill them just for their shoelaces being untied for the giggles because he thinks that's hilarious
Yeah true like injustice harley quinn seems to have move on and become a hero and she also has a kid I think batman was the one who made harley quinn less of psycho
@@deadponic117
Catwoman isn’t insane (barring some kleptomania) but I take your point.
@@badreedinedjellali1328 Having seen a Joker from another Earth treat her the same way as her Joker also helped though.
Not all of them. However in cases like Zsasz, Joker and Hush these people have crossed the line of insanity and into full-on evil. They are beyond salvation.
Jason and a few Gothamits think Batman is bad for not killing his enemies especially joker. But why don’t we take jabs at the justice system for not having the death sentence?
Exactly!
I always imagine batman refuses to kill cause he knows how fucked up he is and he knows that if he kills one person hes gonna go off the rails and kill hundreds
the justice system in places with the death penalty already kills hundreds of INNOCENT people on the regular
batman and the justice system make the same point from opposite ends
you shoulnt trust anyone with permission to kill people
@@CaptainPrincessThe Justice System is broken in Gotham but I don't recall them killing innocent people. I think if the characters pushed the bureaucracy hard enough, they could make the death penalty have some exceptions like the Joker and Zsasz.
Yea lol, Batman sparing the villains aren’t the problem it’s the fact that the justice system won’t execute them or anything lmao
Because in real life once people are locked up for life they stay that way. If we had murderers breaking out of prison every other day mass murdering people like in a Batman cartoon then that would be a completely different story. Good lord are you seriously in need of someone explaining the difference between reality and fiction? Seek therapy. I'm begging you.
Batman does make a good point that it is virtually impossible to “cure” or rehabilitate Zaszz due to the fact that he has claimed multiple victims and marking set victims on his body through slashes.
What he’s missing, however, is one simple thing that argues against any attempts to treat Zaszz: It was his choice.
It’s nigh impossible to cure, treat or rehabilitate someone who choose to do what they do due to his firm beliefs.
*Zsasz
He's not different from a Nazi, really. Killing out of conviction rather than compassion or necessity.
@@justanotherchannelwithauno7580 how’s he no different from a nazi?
I think this also points out how corrupt the system is. Zaszz has shown he no longer does this due to insanity but out of in an inane choice to do so. This would be easily proven in court. I also doubt that a jury would find him actually insane as he is truly a physcotic man of habit. He would definitely be on death row every time he is captured.
So why doesn’t Batman just kill him?
0:18 Batman asks a question that I had been wondering for quite some time now
Y'know, I've always wondered that too. I've always thought one of two things might happen. Either he'll:
1) Stop killing entirely and just dissappear to live out the rest of his life (I honestly don't see Victor Zsasz as the type to reform)
Or
2) Take his own life. Since his killing seems to be his only motivation for living, it's possible that once he has no room for any more tally marks *he'll* become his own final cut...
You would be surprised how many places he has left to tally. He has mentioned in the comics that the place he's saving for the batman is under his eyelid so that "every time he blinks he would be reminded of what an irritating little man he was". I have the feeling that if zsasz ever got to the point he ran out of places to mark, he would cut his own throat.
I mean serial killers are weird so i have no doubt he would see himself as another potential victmin at one point
I believe he does think of himself as a victim. In his Arkham city tapes he explains how his parents were rich and as soon as he lost them he took to gambling and lost the fortune. So instead of blaming himself he victimises himself to claim that he's offering "salvation" to others thinking that their lives are as bad as he let his own get.
I think that was the implication Batman was trying to make. That he would either cut his own throat or move on to a much worse type of MO
That ridiculous bit of edginess is part of the reason I stopped reading comic books after a certain decade. They try to constantly one-up each other for how much they can make the reader puke.
I always thought that to cure zsasz you kind of have to go through his logic he states in his tapes. I would ask him, "but aren't you as much of a mindless zombie who shuffles around as the people you go after? Is it really them that need salvation, or is it you? And what of the people who are not mindless, who enjoy what they do and have goals and purposes? They do not need salvation, when they already have it. "
I actually really like when heroes actually interact with the enemy's philosophy rather than just shutting them out and calling them crazy.
Eventhough, irl you'd be better off just focusing on stopping them.
I think the best cure of Zsasz is to give him some of that salvation that he has been handing out.
@@anxiousearth680 Exactly 💯 I feel you, gotta handle ya business but it's also good to know who you're dealing with n what makes them tick
This is the comment I've seen on this video that correctly spells Zsasz
@@RiseUpToYourAbility
Except that just makes a new killer. I wouldn’t know from experience, but killing someone isn’t easy for the average person. If they do it, it’ll haunt them forever at best, and at worst, they’ll think, “Huh, you know, Zsasz may have been onto something.” The point being, it doesn’t matter who the victim is; murder is murder.
"Lemme give you your final scar, one right between your eyes" - *Red Hood*
Oh Jaybird, if only DC would get you a better writer more than once every 3 Volumes.
@@bulbafett5001 Jason really took a wild turn in the comics recently, although i like him as the current leader of the zombie suicide squad.
@@Patrick-pc3vq task force Z has grown on me.
@@bulbafett5001 Truly did, love to see Man-Bat and Mr. Bloom being used in some way.
What comic is this from? Love seeing the villains play off each other like that.
"Honestly, lady, I couldn't give less of a shit about if he's ever rehabilitated or not. I only have one thing I want from anyone at Arkham."
"Oh, and what's that?"
"Keep the fucking doors locked for once."
I can fully imagine Kevin Conroy saying that
"Ever thought what would happen if he runs out of flesh to scar?"
He would be a bit easier to rehabilitate? Kidding. Lol.
He would kill himself?
@@anxiousearth680 Maybe, but quite possibly he would be so lost without his methodology/ritual that he could be driven near catatonic.
I ince heard in a fan made video that he has reserved the last cut for himself. That place is on his heart. So when he rubs out if space he will use that part fpr himself. Don't know if that is canon or was made up by fans but it seems like something zsaz would do.
"There, finally done!"
(Checks off "Cover self with victim tallys" on list. We see next item is "learn to play harmonica".)
@@Kessekom Every time he kills someone , he cuts himself a new scar. He wlways cuts a scar when he kills someone. He believs that life is meaningless,that people are little more than mindless zombies who constantly repeat the same daily routine without any purpose. So he decided to kill everyone. He also considers himself a savior because by killing people he "frees" them from the meaningless tgat is life. And to remember them he cuts a scar into his flesh. He also doesn't value his own life as he has stated that he has reserved the last scar for himself. Meaning that when he runs out of flesh to scar he has reserved the flesh right above his heart for the final scar for himself. Since he won't be able to continue his ritual anymore he plans to die when he reaches that point.
Odd, the belief that anyone can be rehabilitated is the reason Batman refuses to kill the joker and keeps capturing him over and over instead.
So you know you're hopeless when even Batman gives up on you.
He's not giving up on Zsazz, he's just telling the Doctor (who is surprised at the idea that Zsazz would be hard to treat) to have realistic expectations and be careful.
@@nobody2996 Fair enough.
Last I checked after some time Batman stopped believing that the joker can be rehabilitated, he had only spared the joker in their future encounters because he had not believed it was his decision to make but rather the decision should be decided by the law
Fair enough.
It’s like if Batman killed even once he probably couldn’t trust himself to stop.
My favorite part of The Killing Joke is the final exchange between Batman and Joker, when Batman says “do you understand? I don’t want to hurt you”, and proceeds to offer Joker help: “we could work together. I could rehabilitate you. You needn’t be out there in the edge anymore. You needn’t be alone”. And the saddest thing is you can see that, for a brief moment, Joker actually considers his offer. This is what many people don’t get about Batman, he isn’t punishing the villains, he understands that they’re not truly evil. He sees himself on them, he knows that he also went through a great trauma and that he could have ended up like them, and he wants to help them.
I am the bat man
@@JungSooLeeeno, you're not.
@@ninjaguyYT You can call me Wane, Bruce Wane
@@JungSooLeeeit's Wayne idiot
nah it totally is@@ninjaguyYT
Batman himself realizes that people like Zsazz will likely never be "rehabilitated". He likely wouldn't miss Zsazz when he's gone, either. With that being said, Batman prefers not to be judge, jury and executioner. Basically, he doesn't believe he should decide who gets to live and who gets to die. Because if he does cross that line, it's not something he can just go back and forth with. He's either a killer himself, or he's not.
*Zsasz
I don't get why so many people think it's spelled Zsazz
@@infnitvlt618 That's the spelling I came across. Literally how other people in the comments were spelling it. It's just an error. Not the end of the world.
@Snake Shadows Your acting like I was pissing and crying over the misspell. I never said I was upset over it, I just thought it was funny that nearly everyone was spelling it wrong
he a no power bitch, if you're not willing to kill then shut up about it and stop trying to pawn off the responsibility onto other people. Look how many of Bat's criminals have escaped to kill again.
I'm so happy I got the return to Arkham games it brought so much nostalgia back from the originals R.I.P. og Arkham games
I appreciate that Batman wants to rehabilitate his enemies and to help them be healthy again. Arkham, depending on the context, can be a good or bad place to send them but I always liked that there's that sort of hopeful side to Batman. Even when it comes to patients like Joker and Zsazz who probably can never be properly rehabilitated, he understands that and just wants them to be safe and out of harms way for themselves and others.
The way I see it, The Joker could be rehabilitated, it would just take a lot of time and effort. While Zsasz is doing what he does out of a bad moral compass, Joker knows right and wrong but chooses not to act on those values. (Although I am not a therapist in any sense) I do think it would be possible to correct The Joker and turn him into a standard citizen
@@joel9104a standard convict maybe. Sick or not he's got a lot to answer for, more than he could ever repay with jail time
Love the fact that Batman never fails to spark philosophical debate about his One Rule.
It's pretty amazing. A psychologist's job at their core is to help people mentally overcome. Batman's job at its core is to try to understand in order to defeat/subdue.. you can really feel that here
She's not psychologist
Damn. He just hit the nail with a sledgehammer. 😶
Doctor: *shoots Zsaz in the head* "There ya go, Batman."
LMFAO
Doctor : **profusely sweating for licence revoke**
Batman: ...you know i dont feel good about this but-
Doctor: but its kinda nice that he is dead right?
Batman: yeah i mean i wasnt gonna do it, i couldnt do it you know...
As for how Gotham city doesn’t have the death penalty is beyond me.
Yeah I think because batman wouldn't approve because if there is a death a penalty then batman s no killing cod would be pointless send the crazy one's into arkham asylum just so the get death penalty to batman is basically like killing them
Fan fact, Gotham does have capital punishment. But, like most US states with the death sentence, it can not be given as punishment to a clinically insane person.
It’s brought up it the Gotham Central comics, when a GCPD detective starts screaming at the judge in a court case against Mr. Freeze (who was on trail for murdering the cop’s partner) about it.
@@PenisCupcakePoop At some point they really gotta start making exceptions for monsters like The Joker, Penguin, Scarecrow etc.
Because the death penalty is fucking stupid and your country is about 50 to 60 years behind most of Europe and East Asia
i mean its a god send considering how corrupt gotham is lmfao
R.I.P KEVIN CONROY
DC likes to "kill" off its heroes every other year, yet other than the Joker, I never hear about them doing it to villains outside of elseworld stories.
I can name a few. The Ventriloquist, Solomon Grundy, Killer Frost, Clayface, Kobra, Lex Luthor, Poison Ivy, Harley Quinn, Ras al Ghul, Captain Boomerang and finally Reverse Flash.
Injustice?
Edit: I know it’s not canon, but still
They killed off the Joker in the current canon timeline in the comics, but brought him back.
Jokers died in like every major joker event lmao
If you want examples from the Arkham series: The Joker, Talia, Ras (although he always dies), Hugo Strange, Black Mask, Clayface (yeah, he's dead, if not for Batman, then throwing him to an exploding Lazarous Pit did) and Poison Ivy all die. I can't name examples from Origins considering I never played it though.
What’s interesting is that the doctor admits in audio recordings that she doesn’t think Zsasz can be cured. I suspect she’s trying to save face while using Batman as a way to vocalize what she can’t.
That is a fantastic point, I feel like he'd just like peel off chunks of the skin and start fresh with the stuff underneath and then keep the skin sheets in boxes somewhere
that sounds like a good snack
I could be wrong here, as I'm not an expert, but I don't think that's how scars work.
@@LloydTheZephyrian you think zaas is thinking logically about how scars work? I think he's much more assed about cutting the numbers into himself.
@@seansmith877 I am also not an expert on DC stuff. I just got this video in my feed somehow. Maybe MultiVersus influenced it somehow cuz Batman?
@@LloydTheZephyrian I have no idea, didn't mean anything as hate towards you haha, zaas is basically just an insane serial killer who cuts the tally of how many people he killed into his body.
Batman knows that it’s a possibility to rehabilitate criminals. However, Zsasz is truly a challenge because of the fact that he enjoys killing and keeps score as if it’s a life achievement. There are lots of things for the doctors and him to discover about this particular character before there’a a real breakthrough. Here are a few things to know though. Zsasz and his past are unknown. No one knows why he kills and does what he does. No one knows what caused him to kill but we do know what Joker has said before. “All it takes is one bad day and it could drive a man insane.”
Joker proved that and so did Zsasz.
I really appreciate this scene for a reason I haven't seen yet. Zsasz, his gimmick is that he keeps the last scar on his head for Batman, his work of art, his life's goal at this point and yet... Batman still thinks that at the end, where no more flesh is left at all, something mental and crazy might happen. This can mean that Zsasz will of course continue killing even if he carves Batman on his head OR that he will never kill Batman (or he won't be the one to do it) and he will continue on and on to carve marks on his body. It's cold, sickening, inhumane and it seems as a never-ending satisfaction
Funny how he says that his enemies are irredeemable yet still doesn't think twice about trying to save them from dying, which sometimes lets actual innocent people die in the process.
Officer Balls
*WAAAAHAHA*
Zaszz kills hundreds.
Batman "he is not really curable mentally."
Joker kill thousands in more sick and twisted ways.
Batman "he can still be cure, I will bring him in again even though I know he will break out tomorrow."
Yeah batman is weird that way
I mean when doesn't Batman make a Good point?
Two good points off the top of his head
in The Batman.
@@DJGamingSmash He made quite a lot of sense in that film lol
When he doesn't kill.
@@nnnnmhughuuhhjiijj9457 So not killing random criminals makes no sense, okay buddy
It's true, the last therapist to try to cure a madman fell in love with him and became his harlequin
He looks so good in blue
Kevin Conroy…🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲
I miss him I wish I met him before he died.😭
Batman: people can always change, I don’t have to kill
Also Batman: this man is insane, he can’t be cured
That's... Not the reason for Batman's no kill rule
@@D14MBK What…is it then?
@@MrJB8383 have you ever read or watched anything relating to Batman?
@@MrJB8383 He has a no kill rule because he is one person. One person out of 8+ billion people whom all have ideas on how to dish out justice and have set up democracies to decide through voting/voting in representatives. Who is Batman to decide that they aren't doing it right, or that he should be an exception? He deals with criminals, then hands them off to the society he has vowed to serve. He isn't taking the matter into his own hands.
What's interesting is that you never see her again after this.
I like that batman never states that she is wrong about rehabilitation for zazz. But rather he just warns her that he is so far gone it would be an extraordinary feat of physiological mediance if she can fix him
I am actually quite curious what would happen if if Zsasz ran out of flesh to scar. My theory is take his own life as he had done all the "right" he could in his mind
They really said: ''Yeah Batman's face looks like he's had more than enough plastic surgery done on his lips and face in this remaster. Ship it.''
Have you seen Ivy's lips? They're ridiculous. The remaster of this game is bad.
Joker: And here I thought I was the one with the jokes... mad props, my lady, and I mean really _mad_ props.
How to make Batman seem smart:
Make everyone else unusually stupid
I suppose lol
Makes sense.
*Zsasz on his final cut:* _"Ah I'm finally done. Now I can get a job, start paying taxes, settle down, and build a family."_
Why does Batman’s model look so damn scary in his face
"JUst don't get so absorbed in his treatment, so you won't wind up as his final cut," - couldn't word it any better than that.
Batman: I don´t think they will be cured
My dude, you´re the one putting them there
Plot point aside, that mouth animation rework is very unsettling…
I’ve never triggered this dialogue before. Finding new stuff in these great games all the time
You know, I used to think Gotham could never be real. That it was impossible for there to be people who think mass murderers can actually be rehabilitated until I saw San Francisco.
OFFICER BALLS 💀🗣🔥
RIP Kevin Conroy😭
Zsazz entire body is scars and they still somehow believe that there's hope for him. This isn't the Gotham TV series version who has like 2 scars total, this guy has at least 250 of them.
RIP Kevin Conroy!
His spirit is with us
I miss him. I wish I met him before he died.
She sounds exactly like the deadbeat French women in the Paris catacombs in the original Deus Ex.
Never knew about this dialog
0:26 The amount of sass Batman exuded towards that lady lmao.
I wouldn't say sass I would say he's being realistic.
Gotham really needs the death penalty.
People blame Batman for not killing them, but it's really the governments fault for not protecting its citizens from dangerous, repeat offenders that show they can not be contained. Frankly it's strange that the death sentence isn't used more often in settings where you have supervillains.
I think the death penalty was used on the Joker in one comic. He had of course planned for it and was able to be revived before the point of no return.
@@Xo-3130but isn’t Batman against death penalty
They have a guy in Arkham who can literally build mind-control hats -- surely that would have SOME value in these cases.
Batman: * says something completely trite and banal *
This TH-camr: "Batman is the wittiest, most handsome and amazing genius ever to breathe. I must share his eternal, flawless majesty with the world".
They messed up Batman's face in Return to Arkham so bad. He looks like a bulldog.
Started playing this game fully for the first time ever few days ago and gotta say it's pretty cool.
Its a great game
That would make an interesting story Zsasz killing so many realizes he has limited space left wanting now only worthy kills for that last spot. Until he has one last kill available, maybe Batman steps in and Zsasz inadvertently kills the wrong person. So now not only did he not kill his intended target but his last slash is wasted on some rando because of Batman. And now he realizes what does he do with his life now? Will he become even more unhinged looking for a purpose? Or will he want vengeance on Batman and will kill everyone and anyone to get to Batman and swear to keep Batman alive to use his flesh as a new tallyboard.
Why is man making sense? Is he smart?
“Woah she seems confident about this guys recovery that’s nice, let’s check in with him now”
“Ohh oh my god, he did what to her with what?”
It really says something when Batman believes Joker can be rehabilitated but Zsasz can not.
Actually he doesn't believe the Joker can be rehabilitated. I think he just instinctively knows that the Joker's existence is a canon event.
I mean, who knows, maybe she has a spare indigo lantern ring on hand?
For those who don't know, the indigo lantern ring of compassion seeks out individuals who either possess abundant compassion or, in a twist, people with absolutely no compassion whatsoever. In the latter case, it grants them compassion and rehabilitates them, so it would be a way to cure Zsasz. Lady's still crazy though because she's saying this without knowing any of that
Yeahh... that is a good point.
Is there a lore reason why Arkham staff thinks Zasz will be rehabilitated eventually? Is she stupid?
She is lol
These games were so good man. This is my ideal Batman, amazing voice acting, gigachad physique, takes his job seriously but still keeps it witty, villains and sidekicks all look amazing, clever dialogue, all of it was great.
To this day I still wonder how the fuck calendar man has scarred his lower back by himself without making a mistake
Is it just me, or does the voice actress sound like Simone from Scooby Doo on Zombie Island? Here's when I find out it is the same person lmfao
Yes it does, I love that movie
I never understood why people wanted Batman to kill people like the Joker or worse like I get that he's a vigilante, so he's already committing a serious crime along with a list of other technical crimes, but its Gothem's court systems job to throw the noose at the joker and if we really want rag on people I don't see no cop risking their badge or a civilian rationalizing that some time in prison is worth a dead Joker if the opportunity is there and certain to work. However this this is a comic book series that needs a revolving door of villains which automatically hits the world with a 10 point deduction in intelligence and logic which must suck for the in-universe people.
Many people do not appreciate a distinction between vengeance and justice. They are motivated by moral outrage rather than helping others. Batman is more mature than this audience because he doesn't need to satisfy his emotions, and this leaves them with a lack of closure they are too weak to resolve or accept on their own.
You wouldnt go to jail for killing the joker nor should you... he is literally almost always in the process of putting several lives at risk. It is not a crime to use whatever means to stop him. In fact its what people should do. Killing people who are in the process of hurting others is not only justified, it's what one should do. Batman is actually even worse because he knows just how crooked and broken the system can be, yet thinks that judges and lawmakers should have an absolute monopoly on thise kinds of decisions, when at the end of the day, they are literally just regular people too. Its bad enough that regular joe thinks this to be true, but he is literally only batman bc the system is broken, and yet still leaves it up to them. Its not so simple, and obviously wouldn't be as entertaining, but the real heroic thing to do would be to kill joker, and pretty much most of the villains. Sure sometimes he can thwart their plans swiftly without it, but how many hundreds of people have died from all the multiple chances these same villains have had? If a terrorist is holding a gun to someone's head, and the only way to bring them in without killing, wont happen until after they kill the hostage, then you just go ahead and kill them, and save the hostage. Thats not a judges job, thats literally every capable person's job.
Yeah, I'm sure you're a real font of wisdom when it comes to mental health and coping mechanisms, Bats.
I mean, experience is a great teacher.
“What do you base that opinion on?”
“On the fact that I’m Big Ears Batman.”
that nurse was way too self-assured when it came with her to her methods
The remastered model for Batman is so fucking awful haha, looks like he's had Professor Pyg do some work on his face
You know darn well that given the things these villians have done, they would have been sentenced to death, not a loony bin. Especially after the first successful escape.
Or probably carve tiny little marks on his teeth
Nicest way of saying "yeah have fun with that"
seems almost like he's saying, 'I don't have a problem with you treating him just don't turn into another Harley' right up until that last line.
The fact that she has a French accent somehow makes this double funnier
French🤮
I think it's actually German, not French.
I don't know, I think Zsasz's knife had a pretty good point. Just ask the guards.
This could be attributed by Batman’s whole rouges gallery. Most of them aren’t even trying to be better ppl. Hell, the joker had like 3 chances through the series and still chose to kill. So why put them in an asylum if not to better them?
In a lot of medium including the comics, most of the rogues have been written in a way that makes redemption very much possible, take the detective comics run by Paul Dini, in which The riddler is a private investigator, or the suicide squad run where killer croc gets a girlfriend.
In an ideal world in which there's no status quo, most of the rogues stories would end with redemption.
I can’t believe this. I have owned Arkham asylum on ps3 ever since it came out, and I never even once heard this interaction before.
What good is having an electric chair if the Gotham judges aren't gonna USE it to get RID of all the worst villains?
And people give Batman grief for not killing villains.