OFF GRID CAMPER ELECTRICAL SYSTEM EXPLAINED | 4X4 TOYOTA SUNRADER BUILD | PART 11
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 10 มิ.ย. 2024
- Put on your pocket protectors, it's time to get nerdy! In this video we're diving into the electrical setup in our 4x4 Sunrader, Amelia. This is one of the most common things we get asked about so it deserves it's own video. We needed a system that could keep us powered while being completely off grid. We go over everything from preparation to the nitty gritty of our wiring diagram. There's a lot to unpack but it's loads of fun!
Unfortunately we lost a LOT of video we shot at the end of the build due to an SD card that needed to be reformatted. Luckily we took a ton of photos through the process so we'll be walking you guys through the rest of the build with photos to accompany our commentary. It's not how we envisioned finishing this series but in the end we get to be a little more detailed this way so it's not all bad.
Hope you guys enjoy it and maybe learn a thing or two!
Detailed Electrical Post:
www.boundfornowhere.com/blog2/...
Cameron (OTG Camper):
www.offthegridcamper.com/
Wire Gauge Calculator:
www.renogy.com/calculators/#t...
Learn More About Solar Panels:
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Battle Born Batteries:
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The entire Sunrader build in blog form:
www.boundfornowhere.com/blog2?...
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Great video. One of the best I've seen so far. Thanks for speaking to people who aren't electricians without assuming we're idiots. :)
Please have Owen geek out more often! Loved it! Clear, precise and well thought out.
Don’t forget the pros of AGM / lead acid - you can charge these batteries at temperatures well below freezing, which you can’t do with lithium. My rig runs in northern Canada year-round and AGM was the only way to go at those temperatures. AGM was also a third of price which makes up for the lost capacity when only running batteries down to 50%
Love this build and love geeking out over electrical builds like this! The explanations were great!
Ok, so I’ve binge-watched the entire series and you guys have done an amazing job! There are probably people out there like myself who would love to have you complete custom build-outs for them. Should you ever decide to establish yourself in regular work cycles like the rest of us rats, I’m sure customizing cargo trailers, box vans, and the like would give you a long list of clientele... I’m just sayin’.
Hats off to both of you... have fun out on the road!
This wasn't the usual 'bohemian sloppily describes something he followed from other youtube channels' van tutorial. Very technical, thank you.
Great video Owen! I didn't miss those freckles at all!
Really appreciate the video and article. Havent start our DIY solar because wanted to know enough. Thanks again.
System looks great overall. And can't wait to see the final tour in the next video! 🤗 🙂👍
Y’all legitimately make the best videos lol thanks for all the helpful info!
Also quick question, all said and done what kind of mpg’s were y’all getting?
Great explanations, thank you for shared. Love this video! 😆👌
Holy fk. MASSIVELY helpful!!!!
This video has been extremely helpful! Did you have a converter that would step the 24v down to 12v?
As usual you guys nail the details; but this is in your old camper. I was wondering about the electrical in your new Tundra/4 Wheel Camper. I remember you saying that the 4 Wheel Camper didn't meet your electrical needs because it lacked 120V power; that if you wanted 120V you needed to hook up to "shore" power (this is based on memory, maybe I got some of this wrong). As a result you made some modifications to the 4 Wheel Camper electrical system, including new lithium batteries and an inverter. This allowed you to install some outlets that you could use to power your computers and other stuff. I don't know about your other viewers but I would love it if you would explain, in detail, the electrical system in your new Tundra/4 Wheel Camper; not just the system you get with the camper (solar panels, controls, etc), but a detailed description of the changes you custom-made, what they are and how you did them. Thank you.
You guys are really just the best. Thank yous
very helpful, thank you very much.
Soooo helpful! Thank you so much for this video and for your website resources!
Glad to help! Thanks for watching
Thanks for the details
Very well done!! Thank you
Still digesting the overall concept. This helped. Ty
It's a lot to take in. It will come to you! Thanks for watching!
Dude. I have watched so many vids to get a grasp on my project. I'm just tryin to set up a work van that will allow me to charge hand held battery operated power tools. Mabe my phone.
I must say, I learned so much more knowledge form ur vid.
Im just an old cowboy that just learned so much from a D C power nerd. I tip my Stetson to u. And by the way, in the luck of the draw, u scored pretty high in ur "better half". I csnt even think as fast as u talked and had to watch the vid 3 times. Thanks so very much
Really glad it helped!
This has been extremely helpful. I had no idea where to start for my electrical!
Somebody tell the camera lady no talking from behind the camera. ;)
Junior Bricuyet what
Great cadence for story telling!
Well done, easy to follow.
I don't get how someone could do thumbs down. I am a victron fan (not cheap), but well worth the investment. Great info
Very well done! Stored for future reference.
Thank you so much!
Fantastic video. A quick question about the Cyrix-Li-ct: the manuals for it mention using a BMS to control it. You don't mention using a BMS and don't seem to have one connected. Is it optional? Thanks!
This is brilliant. Thanks so much for probably the best explanation I've come across.
Cathy (out o' Ottawa, who has gleefully run off with the husbands YT account while plotting an eventual van build that will include a wood stove...)
By-the-by - I've worked out a system for a Composting Toilet that won't cost a grand and can be mounted on wheels... if you like I can send you a copy of the file?
Good video, great write up, good luck!
Thanks man! Your video and website is super helpful.
Gad you found it helpful! Always happy to get people on the way to good power!
Awesome video. Lots of good stuff in here thank you!
I like your idea with batteries and setup, am planning to make my own off grid system soon
Nice! it's a really fun process putting it together!
You guys rock. Just bought a 1992 Isuzu Rodeo 4x4 Diesel Camper.... I have so much to learn! Do you have any details on your total budget for the rebuild?
do you live in the United States?
I realize I'm kinda off topic but do anyone know of a good website to watch newly released series online?
@Kai Beckham I watch on FlixZone. Just google for it :)
@Alberto Jackson Yea, I've been using flixzone for since march myself :D
@Alberto Jackson thank you, signed up and it seems like they got a lot of movies there :D I appreciate it !!
Great set up. And even I could understand it. Ta muchos.
Thank you so much! Glad we could make this stuff understandable!
Really good and informative.
Glad you found it helpful!
Guys, this is the ABSOLUTE best video I've found on wiring a camper- and believe me, I've looked! Great job! Would you please post a photo (or just tell me) where the house batteries connected? Your wiring diagram shows the POS+ of the house batteries connected at the Bussman on the Li Batt side, but I only see the one red wire connected there. Is that where you connected, or did you connect the POS+ from the house batteries to the POS+ on the fuse panel? You guys RoCk! Thank you!
...did you get an answer to this? I've got the same question. :)
Does all this go well with regular vans too? Or should I change some things?
Nice video, thanks for sharing 👍
thank you man it is great
Great vid!
You have great power setup.
I have grand plans to upgrade to a lithium setup like yours.
Sadly for many people, including myself, cost is the number 1 reason for having to stay with AGM batteries.
In my camper trailer weight is not a big issue, therefor having 2 x 120Ah AGM batteries for a fully usable 100Ah load capacity is fine.
The cost of my batteries and 240v 7 stage charger was $500 here in Australia plus my 160w folding solar panel was bought $120aud on sale at a caravan and camping exhibition down in Brisbane.
Hopefully with the big electric vehicle companies developing lithium tech, batteries and charging systems will hopefully drop in cost fairly rapidly for recreational users?
All the best luck to you!
Regards, Jas.
VK4FJGS
Rockhampton Queensland Australia
You mentioned you had three flexible panels with your van that failed. What brand were they and can you explain how they failed? Thanks for any info! I've been looking at a Renogy flexible for my camper. Great video btw.
Honestly, don't remember the brand, they were just purchased off of Amazon. The problem with them is that the protective coating over them is super fragile. If they got scratched at all the would eventually melt...which is a problem.
@@BoundForNowhere thanks for the info. I've really enjoyed the series on the Sunrader. Looking forward to the tour video!
hi! im looking forbatteries like this but i cant find any, do ou think it could work with a lithium 12v a100 amp? or it has to be 150 exactly no less no more?
just a question.. your starter battery is also a 24 volt one? or is a normal 12V starter battery?
Can this be done for a skoolie conversion ?
Is that the battery monitor that looks like a circuit board on the shunt? Looking at the blog pics now
The battery monitor that you actually interact with is the circle at 6:30. Not sure if that's what you're asking or if you're wanting to know more about what makes up the shunt.
Hi there, just watched the electrical set up video and curious about having a 24v solar panel. Does the victron controller sort the power from the 24v panel to the 12 v batteries? Ive got a 200w 12v panel feeding 2x 110ah leisure batteries on my van but looking at doing another and never gave the 24v any thought really. Was your only reason the wire thickness for this choice or are the 24 v panels any better performance wise, thanks Bob
Solar panel output voltages vary quite a lot even from a single panel, let alone wiring them in series or parallel. The '24V solar panel' they're talking about likely outputs anywhere up to 32~40V 'unregulated' and so once a regulator is added, the output is then suitable to charge a 24V system but the solar charge controller is probably compatible with quite high solar panel voltages and can still bring it back down to a suitable charging voltage for 12V systems.
The unregulated solar panel output gets fed into a solar charge controller (in this instance, a high quality brand MPPT type (Maximum Power Point Tracking) one vs. a PWM (Pulse Width Modulation) type that isn't as efficient) which then 'regulates' the incoming power from the panel(s) and converts the voltage using internal DC-DC converter circuitry (can often step-up as well as step-down voltages) to the chosen compatible voltage output (in their case it'd be 12V). It's possible that either that model can be configured to have 24V output or there's another model that's suited for 24V electrical systems.
standards are hard to get away from as proven in that case. This is similar to the comments in the video about why a 24V panel is preferable over a 12V
Thank you
Around 4:00-4:10 in this video you say "...automatically opens (?) up a connection when it sees a charging voltage. When the alternator kicks in and starts charging the starter battery, the Cyrix opens (?) the connection and allows both batteries to charge" How can you simultaneously charge all batteries when you have "opened" a connection between the two (or three) batteries? I am not quite understanding this. Watching your video it appears you have a decent background in electrical and it's possible the term was just used wrong. Thanks for the tip on the Cyrix, as I plan to research it more.
Great video mate. Really want to know what program/app your using at 5:30 to show the electrical diagram. The animation is especially helpful and since I'm an electronics geek myself, I'd love to use whatever this is too!
One other thing - 'Sunrader' without an 'i'? Is this an English US spelling thing? Down here in Aus it'd be 'raider' as I imagine this is vikings inspired name? Raid the sun of as much energy as possible? Haha anyway, all the best for your channel ;)
I really love our Victron charge controller as well. Do you think their battery monitor is worth the $200 price? Bummer about the battery company going out of business. I've always been curious about the Victron's lithium batteries with bluetooth. They seem legit.
I absolutely think it's worth the price. It's only $30 more dollars to get the built in bluetooth version. I almost always checked on my phone rather than on the physical device. I also think compared to lesser battery monitors it's worth the price for the features like cutoffs, alarms, etc.
@@BoundForNowhere Cool. I do enjoy the bluetooth of the charge controller and all the historical data. Looking forward to your new top secret vehicle. Hope you give a few hints as to why the Sun Raider didn't work out. Must have had good reason since you had put so much into it! Take care.
Good to see you Owen, But I must admit that I'm with Mack and have no idea what your talking about lol j/k Big smiles from Michigan :)
hahaha right?! It's crazy, I think my brain just doesn't work that way!
Thanks Erza Miller
Yeah, I'm gonna need to hire someone to do this for me 😥😥😥
Lol I had no idea what he was talking about
I noticed you guys didn't use relays in your setup. Why is that?
You can kill your alternator with a direct spit charge relay - you need a DC to DC charger
Yeh I was just thinking 'where's the DC-DC charger?' when watching ;)
It was *shocking* to see Owen in this one.
There was a real *spark* to him while he was explaining things.
I cannot wait until you guys are all caught up, and I can hear about your *current* adventures!
My best tip is to avoid usb outlets as they have an inbuilt power supply draining power
I think you can see how to make it on Avasva . This is just an advice ;)
I know it is available to find, but when you mention “our website”, you might want to actually say the name of your site. It would make it simple.
first comment first view !!!
Am I watching an episode of "Silicon Valley"?
Feels like it huh?! ha
Really enjoy it. Let's check Avasva plans also
Why does use equate to damage of lead acid batteries in most peoples minds? Use it more than 50% and it's damaged. It would be like getting in your golf cart and driving half way round your golf course and walking the rest to stop the battery from being damaged. It's an excellent way to put people off golf but it's not true. Golf cart battery makers intend the battery to be deeply cycled, hence the name... deep cycle batteries not 50% cycle batteries. They last for 2 years if you discharge them by 90%, which is a good life for its purpose. We, in the solar fraternity, have learned that if you only discharge them to 50%, we will get about 4 years out of them. If we only discharge them by 20%, we will get 8 years life out of these batteries. They wear out!
They wear out whether we use them or not. We don't damage them when we discharge them below 50%, we wear them out. The 50% figure is an economical balance point... it's based on battery life or number of cycles, if you must. Most people who use them, understand and accept this information. Somehow it has been turned around to mean that if you discharge them below 50%, you will damage them... you won't! You will however, wear them out more quickly... 4 years instead of 8 years. 50% of 8 is 4... 50% depth of discharge is 4 years... 50% is a reasonable life expectancy.
Lithium chemistry batteries are expensive... NZ$4,000 for 12v 400a/h... lead acid are NZ$600 for 12v 400a/h. I'm not on NZs rich list so I use lead acid and put up with a few inconveniences associated with them and I don't repeat the urban myths that most people repeat... especially when they want to promote an expensive new technology.
Thanks that selling point is what had me about ok layout more for lithium. Gonna try flooded lead acid
You have a beautiful face too! 🤣😂
dat babish music
those lithium batteries are criminally expensive
Sadly they are. But we feel they are worth the money for as much as we use and depend on them
Lithium batteries have many plus points but the one negative that concerns me is when they fail its a fire that will totally destroy your rig , its not a simple fire to put out , so as much as everyone keeps pushing lithium batteries why arent you talking about the fire hazzards, like what to do ? What fire extinguisher to use ? And most important where not to store them ! Oh these batteries are great , till they overheat and catch fire then its all hell breaking loose , tell me im wrong , please , go watch how fast and hot the fire gets on failed lithium before you jump in head first , im on the fence with them , the positive parts are very inviting , but the negitives scare the hell out of me ,P.S. also its funny you mention the company who made your batteries is no longer around , hmmmm why ,,,,ya that says alot about lithium companies now dont it , who do you sue when shit fails ,,,,ya nobody
Thank u so much but I need help understanding the solar panel thingy
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570 solar extreme solar panel kit
190-watt solar charging kit + 2 x 190-watt expansion kits (OVERLANDER + 2x OVERLANDER-E) - 3 x 190W Panels
Go power IC
3000 watt industrial pure sine wave inverter charger for AC power
DC inverter install kit
30 amp pulse width modulated digital solar controller (GP-PWM-30)
75 amp smart battery charger (GPC-75-MAX)
30 amp pre-wired automatic shore power/inverter AC switching kit (GP-TS)
Inverter Remote on/off (GP-SWR-B)
50′ of MC4 output cable (#10) and all mounting hardware (2 x GP-MH-2
Specs:
Output Power: 510 W / 26.7 A
Inverter Power: 3000 W
Solar Controller: 30 A, PWM
Inverter Remote: On/off, Digital monitoring
Smart Converter Charger: 125 A
Transfer Switch: 100 A (2x50A Legs)
Inverter Fuse and Cable Kit: 400 A fuse, 4/0 cable
Solar Modules & Controller:
Solar cell type: Monocrystalline
Output power: 170 W
Rated current: 8.9 A
Rated DC voltage: 19.1 V
Open-circuit voltage: 22.5 V
Module efficiency: 16.4%
Connectivity: MC4 connectors
Solar controller: 30 A PWM, multi battery option, 4 stage charging, digital display and flush mount, dual bank with USB
Frame type: Clear anodized aluminum frame
Certifications: CE
Dimensions: 59.06 x 26.3 x 1.59 in / 1500.12 x 668.02 x 40.38 mm
Weight: 26.4 lbs / 12 kg
Warranty: 25 years power output (module) / 5 years (controller)
Inverter Specs:
Output Power (up to 40ºC): 3000W
Surge Power (100 milliseconds): 6000W
Surge Power (5 seconds): 4800W
Peak Output Current: 52A
Continuous Output Current: 25A
Output Voltage: 115 VAC
Output Frequency: 60 Hz ±0.1Hz
Output Waveform: Pure Sine Wave
Efficiency (Peak): 90%
DC Input Voltage Range: 9-17 VDC
Maximum Continuous DC Input Current: 400 ADC
No Load Power Consumption: Normal Mode:25W, Sleep Mode: 85%
Charge Control: 3 stage with manual equalize
Output Voltage: 5-16 VDC
Output Current: 125A
Change Temperature Compensation: Remote Battery Sensor
lol im not paying that for a batt some of us are poor man!
While lithium is able to be discharged to 20%(meaning effectively nearly double usable capacity) it is still in 2020 more than twice the price for lithium. And that's for CHEAP lithium which almost definitely will not last as long as is claimed(already many tales of very early lithium failure)
So unless you're spending big $$$$ on lithium then you may end up with a dead system and a big hole in your pocket from buying twice.
Also panel efficiency means absolutely nothing. So what if one is 22 vs 18%. Panel output is panel output. 280w of any panel is 280w.
Not true AGM can go down to 85% with much loss
well i can buy 10 lead-acid for the price of one
Cool!
Ugh, you named it...
Please knock off the background annoying tickle tunes so your speech is clearly heard.
yikes... I hear your info as being awesome but is it seriously just your face the entire time? yikes.... show us pictures
Made it to 49 seconds...too Woke for me...click out...
Sorry you dont like good solid info on mobile electrical
@@BoundForNowhere Nothing to be sorry about. I'm just looking for hard facts I can use. I'm in the process of installing a system in a Toyota Sienna. Battery isolator. Renogy battery. Solar. 2000 watt inverter. Etc. Etc. Etc. When I do get it figured out, I'll put a video on my channel. Five minutes max. Easy, peasy. Here's what you need. Here's how to hook it up. Biff! Bam! Boom! Done and done. Open a beer....
@@LeonAllanDavis Mate, this is the internet. Don't like it, jog on. Like I know the couple seem 'woke' and all but that's the world we live in, takes all types, including you, an extremely impatient person who thinks the rest of the world is there to serve you! The funny thing is you actually spent more time commenting than watching which is a real shame because you wouldn't have seen the good electrical diagram at 5:30.
Now as for the content and knowledge of the electrical in this video, you probably are best off watching another one because there is some finer points here which are overlooked and it's still best to actually discuss things with an Auto Electrician anyway but if you were going to do up your own video anyway, why the hell are you commenting on this fine couple's? Take a look in the mirror mate.
Also looking forward to your PERFECT video that explains EVERYTHING in the first 49 seconds 🤦🏻♂️
@@lahmyaj Sorry I hit your exposed Woke nerve... I was trying to be gentle...