Great review Bruce. Highlighting not only the positive points but also like you I prefer to use the term the items that could do better. The comments about the 'characteristic' of the movement are also very well demonstrated and a big thank you for also demonstrating the work around that many on the web are either unaware of or choose not to share. This is a brand new in house movement that would have cost ORIS a fortune to develop, as someone who project manages new products developed in house there has to be a point when development has to stop and sometimes that is when a simple work around is acceptable. I think ORIS made the right call in this case. Yes the extra 10 second stage is annoying but to me less annoying than having to take into account the take up the transmission lash (gear slack) in some watches I own when you pop the crown back in at 0 seconds on the dot, second hand starts to wander around its dial and the minute hand can take several seconds to start moving. Once I realized what was happening I just moved the minute had a tad further than you would normally do. Inconvenient yes but not a show stopper for me. Now that this movement is available in the 41.5 size it has just jumped onto my watch list but still sits below the medium Santos that is near the top. Thanks again Bruce.
I would love to sit and have lunch with you. Your level headed, realistic, and non emotional when talking about the realities of development of an impressive caliber like this 400. Thank you for the excellent comment. I'm pining it!
@@BruceWilliamsThanks Bruce, I'd be happy to do lunch and talk watches but I'm in England, you know the land of strange weather, bad teeth, odd accents and err.. tea. I can appreciate watches not only from the spec sheet or design but from the engineering that has gone into them to make it all happen. The cost of a watch (or anything else) is not just down to the materials used but also has to cover development, prototyping, testing, setting up a manufacturing line, quality control, service centers, work and assembly instructions, logistics, dealer network training... the list goes on. Apologies if you've slumped into a very deep sleep reading this I know it's very boring to most. I appreciate watches of many styles and functions from Casio G-Shocks to JLC Duoface via Omega and Rolex.If I like a watch and can afford/justify it I may make a purchase, that's where my emotion comes in. Have a great day Bruce if you're still awake after reading this.
Come on, for the price this thing costs, you shouldn't have to deal with these kind of "simple workarounds". Such lack of refinement shouldn't really be acceptable. It's not a NH35.
@@DM-rc4yu I could not agree more, we should not have to put up with this, not for any movement including the now very mature Seiko NH35 but this is a new movement designed in house by ORIS and not an evolution of an existing mass produced in house designed movement to my knowledge. New movements may have issues and over time they are refined to fix them. At least with this one there is a work around. I guess we have to balance the pro's and con's v cost. A time setting quirk that has a work around vs 5 day power, 10 year warranty, 10 year service and better than COSC regulation. This issue is not great as you say but something ideally we should not have to deal with at any price really. As I say you make an extremely valid point that any potential buyer should consider prior to a purchase.
Hell no to AR coating on the outside!!!!!! Why have a sapphire crystal only to put a softer more easy to scratch material on top. Absolutely makes no sense.
Love my calibre 400. Only major gripe is the rotor doesn't seem to wind the watch much ( I do have a desk job, so being sedentary doesn't help). I believe I heard that it may be due to the low profile of the rotor, less centrifugal force. A bit brighter lume, the point you made about bracelet adjust, and she's perfect 🥰
I had the chance to try out the Oris Carl Brashear LE with the cal 401 most and suprised that it does not has the jumping minute quirk. Both cal 400 and 401 are double barrels construction so what give? Could it be the one I tried is the few that do not have this quirk? Anyone who own the watch can share their experience? I was hoping Oris would have resolved the quirk for these new release.
It still does look like a Tissot Seastar 1000. a perfect shaped circle. if you want a „innovative“ diver like no one other go for Glashütte Original SeaQ
The issues are not ideal but other brands have had the similar issues in the past (i.e. Rolex with the 3185 movements). Also, I agree with Bruce's suggestions for areas to improve except for the AR coating. While it does cut down on reflections, putting an AR coating on the outside is just a bad idea. Every watch I've had that has an AR coating on the outside ends up getting scratches/marks/blemish in the AR coating. Keep in on the underside of the crystal but keep it off the outside.
Exactly. Breitling comes to mind. If you buy something of theirs second hand, the service requires the crystal to be replaced because they are NEVER in good shape. AR coating on the exterior is a terrible design choice from any manufacturer.
Anti reflection coating on the top of the crystal misses the whole point of having a sapphire crystal. The point is to make it worry free. Coatings on the top essentially get scratched. It's a deal killer for me, so Oris, don't do that.
True, if it's going to be there it should be on the underside. Having had a watch with a top coat before, it looks rotten when wearing off. Can't understand why they do that.
You CAN definitly set the correct time, now, is it the most accurate movement? Well, do you really wear a luxury watch for it's accuracy? That's just an illusion, nowadays watches or more of a jewellery, if you want precision time you have many other resources at your disposal. This is a nice bracelet, good looking and not very expensive with the added bonus it can tell the time, more or less accuratly, who cares?
You can set the time accurately without issue. This whole thing has been blown way out of context by the watch you tube community - many of which know jack all. And for the record, I don't own one and won't be buying one, but there is no issue setting the time on the watch, only with complainers on the interwebs about a problem that isn't truly a problem.
@@JayandSarah There is clearly an issue and it is shown in the video. Why lie about it? I don't care about "workarounds" on a wrist watch that costs this much.
@@DM-rc4yu that's a fair perspective to take, but it doesn't mean that you can't accurately set the time. From my perspective, watching this review and all the others, is that the longer you are around this watch hobby - the more you can see just how active these brands are at working with "you tubers". I take ALL these things with a grain of salt these days.
There is too much hype about "in-house" movements, an ETA is an excellent movement. If a brand produces their own movement and, although it has 5 days power reserve, and that new automatic system, pushing the crown moves the minute hand and on top of that in different ways in each occasion, that is not a quality watch. I think it is in fact a deal breaker. Not even a swatch System 51 has such a problem. That is just a clear sign that the brand is not doing things right, they are selling a product before solving engineering problems.
Oris. Great brand, great watches. I owned the previous aquis-model 43.5 mm. They will gain love and appreciation in the future. Surely now that they introduced the calibre 400. 1904 Hölstein. Oris, great watches for great people. Greetings from Germany.
The 43.5 is fantastic and wears very nicely, I think that the 41.5 is nothing short of perfection. The Aquis looks best on it’s original bracelet in my opinion. Things I don’t like is the rather large price increase, the in-house 400 movement only because service will be expensive.
A head-up for viewers, Oris has since then fixed the Caliber 400 jumping hands issue. New watches have revision 2 of the movement, as stated on the bottom : "Cal.400-2"
Why do they cut corners and not put a metal border on the date window? Omega does this too. It looks like an odd and empty space at the 6:00 hour. If no date window border then at least put a half an indice there to create balance.
When you compare them to Tudour the Tudor design team seem to be asleep compared to Oris all there watches look the same in my opinion Oris Is becoming a strong contender at that level i hope they continue down that path all they need to do id fix those Quirks that you mentioned
Does someone know if there is actually a green dial oris at 43.5mm calibre 400? On their website they have only 41.5mm. Although I could find only in 1 online store having 43.5mm with green dial on mr porter, while they even confirmed its 43.5. Authorised dealers all said oris does not produce the watch in green at 43.5 so dont even know... Thanks a lot
Recently purchased one of these. So impressed with the quality, even with the quirk when adjusting the watch. Highly recommend one of these for someone looking for a watch under £3000.
This is a great colour, it s different from the 2023 blue 400 isnt it? But do they have the same ref number? Struggling to tell them one from the other when researching as pictures can show different colours
I definitely wouldn’t pay the extra for this movement over the one in the Oris Baikal. You’re pretty much on the way to buying another watch with the price increase. For my purposes it’s accurate enough , and both nowhere near as accurate as my iPhone .
What a great watch. Perfect size too, I'm glad to see Oris rolling the calibre 400 out to more models, in more sizes. Its not many watches that are below 14 mm thick and have over 100 hours of power, not at this price point.
Huge Oris fan, and this is a great review. Only fools get offended, if a reviewer points out areas that may need improvement, and when criticism is as well explained and respectful as this, I welcome it wholeheartedly 👍🏻👍🏻
no it is a totally unacceptable flaw... for a product charging over 2000 pounds. It is an unfinished prototype and is definitely not ready to be released. 1/4 of the price I can get a Powermatic 80, arguably in-house. 1/3 of the price I can get the new navy scuba with ceramic bezel and the 80-hour pr H10 running minus 1-2spd, arguably in-house. 1/2 of the price I can get the 72-hour pr longines L888, and also 1/2 of the price I can get the 72-hr pr manufactured T10 COSC with ceramic bezel and 600m wr from Titoni with similar/better level of finishing. 600 pounds more I can get a brand new seamaster in the grey market. What I am trying to say is, there are bunch of better options even if oris has fixed the flaw. You are not rolex, so dont think that you can sell by just putting a new movement into the same case. The price is getting closer to a seamaster, while the design looks closer to a seiko.
When this first came out the minute hand jump was a deal breaker for me but now that there is a quick solution for this is back on my list. Going past the desired time and then going back to set it doesn't bother me anymore.
Great presentation as always and fair as always. If I had to pick only one improvement, I think I'd go with a sizable clasp. No one is using the divers extension...I't's like kabuki theater to pretend that these will be used for their "intended" purpose in 95% of the cases. Anyway, they have their pro Aquis line for that. Beautiful watch, though hard to believe they have just decided to live with that movement quirk. But being independent has it's costs, eh?
"It's a quirk of the twin barrel architecture." Christopher Ward's SH21 would like a word. It matches the Cal 400 for power and accuracy, and its hands don't bounce around.
3 months and still talking about a movement issue, wouldn't it be nice if you were doing a video explaining how Oris fixed the problem with great speed, lmao
Is so close to presenting the perfect watch. It's case design and bracelet integration are flawless. Butter that most Rolex and Blancpain pieces I own. They just need to polish up on the clasp with a slide adjustment. Pay attention to the glare off the dial and bezel. Watch the weight as it is a bit on the heavy side and can cut into your wrist. Like I said, it's close and they have the foundations of making the best sports divers
Hmm, I wonder, now that I'm watching your video, if Teddy misspoke in his video, because he talks about the accuracy being -30/+5, which I thought was a bit odd, however, there were some commenting on how outrageous this was given the price tag.
Thanks, Bruce for another solid take! The mvt ‘quirk’ is fine with me too but other twin barrel manufacturers (GS 9SA5) don’t have this issue at all. Oris is clearly spinning the ‘flaw’ rather than addressing it head on or fixing it.
I love that they removed "Pressure Resistant" from the dial. That is 100% useless information and clutters the dial on the 43.5mm version. I'm still waiting on a proper BLACK dial like they offer in the 39 and 43mm. The new anthracite is ok, but lacks the clean timeless look of a simple and matching black dial + black bezel.
I'm sorry but I've tried to get a watch to complement my SMPc 41 including Oris, Tag ect. Ended up 2 weeks ago trading up to the 42 Seamaster blue on bracelet because as good as others are they just didn't match up to Omega quality for the price point. Just my opinion but one that's very strong, keep up the good stuff Bruce 👍🏴
I love ORIS, there a solid company and make quality products. However, if they would really listen to their followers they would understand it’s time to step up and make an adjustable clasp. They made an amazing rubber strap with an adjustable clasp. Hopefully the reading this comment. ORIS you have many examples - The submariner bracelet, IWC bracelet, Omega and so many other brands. Caliber 400 is a big breakthrough, now come on and cross the finish line and make a kick ass bracelet🏁
Funny how people who defend this flaw would say a watch is junk if it happened on a $200 Seiko. Why else are we paying this much for if not for refinement? I don't understand. You can get an NH35 powered, full stainless steel watch with sapphire crystal for less than $100. You can't charge this much and then tell me to put up with "simple" flaws and workarounds. This is like having to perform special gear shift sequence when going reverse in a brand new BMW.
Not a flaw ... just a different time setting method for a new movement. Before the early 2000's everybody inserted and turned a key to start their vehicles, then one manufacturer introduced a start button! ... it was different than previous key starting methods ... I guess that must have been a flaw too. I appreciate that you stopped, looked and backtracked your original dramatic response. I wish more reviewers were as honest. What you demonstrated was not a "work-around" or "trick" (as it is referred to by many other reviewers) it is just the proper way to set the time on this particular movement. Thumbs up given!
So the movement has this fault,to overcome this fault just set the time this way to get around this fault. No thanks. I'm amazed they are still releasing watches like that!
Dang, I want one. Amen to the micro adjustment clasp, I'll hold off until next year when they add one...Fingers crossed. Last time I looked the smaller size doesn't have the micro adjust on the rubber straps clasp. Which was really handy on the 43 model.
I completely agree with you about the quality of this watch. I’m still on my honeymoon phase with my SMP300 chrome dial when this timepiece came in the mail. Definitely enjoying this double honeymoon. The 41.5 mm size hugs my wrist perfectly. Awesome reviews sir.
Hope Oris will take Aquis Pro down the same route as the main Aquis line and release one in a reasonable size. Current Pro 400 is almost a bit comical at 46 - 48mm. Great review, Bruce!
For the time-setting quirk. You don't actually have to overshoot and back into the correct time. You just need to get pressure off the forward gear. Moving the hands clockwise to set the time, when the correct time is achieved back the crown off just a tad so you are in the dead zone of the crown. Push in, sets it without moving the minute hand. Watch at 15:15 th-cam.com/video/SyFmCNz2pug/w-d-xo.html
Oris got a raw deal with some of the coverage of this movement. Lots of watch brands have jiggle in the minutes hand setting unless you overshoot and move back.
Lovely watch, great design, too expensive at retail. Oris sells very well and an awful lot cheaper in the 2nd hand market as they lose value quite quickly. If you don't mind that, you can get great deals later on. But if you prefer brand spanking new, go for it!! 41.5mm is a bit small for my wrist but definitely a sweet spot for many people.
Great thing about Oris is most ADs will offer a good discount. Very rarely do I see people buying at retail. Only further enforces the value for money aspect
Imo if AR on the outside is not a good idea, what’s the point of buying a watch when you can’t move your arm a bit to bypass the reflection? Might as well use the phone to check the time
Hi Bruce - how would you compare this to Breitling Super Ocean Heritage 42mm blue ? I know different price points... but visually, technically and value for money wise... which of the two you lean towards ?
Great review Bruce. Highlighting not only the positive points but also like you I prefer to use the term the items that could do better. The comments about the 'characteristic' of the movement are also very well demonstrated and a big thank you for also demonstrating the work around that many on the web are either unaware of or choose not to share. This is a brand new in house movement that would have cost ORIS a fortune to develop, as someone who project manages new products developed in house there has to be a point when development has to stop and sometimes that is when a simple work around is acceptable. I think ORIS made the right call in this case. Yes the extra 10 second stage is annoying but to me less annoying than having to take into account the take up the transmission lash (gear slack) in some watches I own when you pop the crown back in at 0 seconds on the dot, second hand starts to wander around its dial and the minute hand can take several seconds to start moving. Once I realized what was happening I just moved the minute had a tad further than you would normally do. Inconvenient yes but not a show stopper for me. Now that this movement is available in the 41.5 size it has just jumped onto my watch list but still sits below the medium Santos that is near the top. Thanks again Bruce.
I would love to sit and have lunch with you. Your level headed, realistic, and non emotional when talking about the realities of development of an impressive caliber like this 400. Thank you for the excellent comment. I'm pining it!
@@BruceWilliamsThanks Bruce, I'd be happy to do lunch and talk watches but I'm in England, you know the land of strange weather, bad teeth, odd accents and err.. tea. I can appreciate watches not only from the spec sheet or design but from the engineering that has gone into them to make it all happen. The cost of a watch (or anything else) is not just down to the materials used but also has to cover development, prototyping, testing, setting up a manufacturing line, quality control, service centers, work and assembly instructions, logistics, dealer network training... the list goes on. Apologies if you've slumped into a very deep sleep reading this I know it's very boring to most. I appreciate watches of many styles and functions from Casio G-Shocks to JLC Duoface via Omega and Rolex.If I like a watch and can afford/justify it I may make a purchase, that's where my emotion comes in. Have a great day Bruce if you're still awake after reading this.
Come on, for the price this thing costs, you shouldn't have to deal with these kind of "simple workarounds". Such lack of refinement shouldn't really be acceptable. It's not a NH35.
@@DM-rc4yu I could not agree more, we should not have to put up with this, not for any movement including the now very mature Seiko NH35 but this is a new movement designed in house by ORIS and not an evolution of an existing mass produced in house designed movement to my knowledge. New movements may have issues and over time they are refined to fix them. At least with this one there is a work around. I guess we have to balance the pro's and con's v cost. A time setting quirk that has a work around vs 5 day power, 10 year warranty, 10 year service and better than COSC regulation. This issue is not great as you say but something ideally we should not have to deal with at any price really. As I say you make an extremely valid point that any potential buyer should consider prior to a purchase.
I don't know a normal watch buyer probably wouldn't think twice. It's us watch nuts who are offended
Hell no to AR coating on the outside!!!!!! Why have a sapphire crystal only to put a softer more easy to scratch material on top. Absolutely makes no sense.
on the upside its easily removed with polywatch, from personal experience it does take a while to get scuffs in some Ar coats
Love my calibre 400. Only major gripe is the rotor doesn't seem to wind the watch much ( I do have a desk job, so being sedentary doesn't help). I believe I heard that it may be due to the low profile of the rotor, less centrifugal force. A bit brighter lume, the point you made about bracelet adjust, and she's perfect 🥰
I had the chance to try out the Oris Carl Brashear LE with the cal 401 most and suprised that it does not has the jumping minute quirk. Both cal 400 and 401 are double barrels construction so what give? Could it be the one I tried is the few that do not have this quirk? Anyone who own the watch can share their experience? I was hoping Oris would have resolved the quirk for these new release.
Oris definitely stands out as an original design in my opinion. Doesn't look like a copy.
A good original design is hard to create. Props to Oris
I agree, that’s what makes this watch a masterpiece.
Oris for me is unique . Never seen so beautiful watches in my opinion ofc.
It still does look like a Tissot Seastar 1000. a perfect shaped circle. if you want a „innovative“ diver like no one other go for Glashütte Original SeaQ
The issues are not ideal but other brands have had the similar issues in the past (i.e. Rolex with the 3185 movements). Also, I agree with Bruce's suggestions for areas to improve except for the AR coating. While it does cut down on reflections, putting an AR coating on the outside is just a bad idea. Every watch I've had that has an AR coating on the outside ends up getting scratches/marks/blemish in the AR coating. Keep in on the underside of the crystal but keep it off the outside.
Exactly. Breitling comes to mind. If you buy something of theirs second hand, the service requires the crystal to be replaced because they are NEVER in good shape. AR coating on the exterior is a terrible design choice from any manufacturer.
Longines(has insane) and Tag have great AR coating.
Bruce once again criticises the lack of AR on any watch but a Rolex...
Anti reflection coating on the top of the crystal misses the whole point of having a sapphire crystal. The point is to make it worry free. Coatings on the top essentially get scratched. It's a deal killer for me, so Oris, don't do that.
True, if it's going to be there it should be on the underside. Having had a watch with a top coat before, it looks rotten when wearing off. Can't understand why they do that.
Omega does the same. Don’t understand it but also not a big deal to me. It can always be polished off if it bothers you that much
Each to his own. I would never buy a watch with only one sided AR
Still not impressed by the movement, though the new size is much better. Who needs 120 hrs power reserve if you can't set the correct time?
You CAN definitly set the correct time, now, is it the most accurate movement?
Well, do you really wear a luxury watch for it's accuracy? That's just an illusion, nowadays watches or more of a jewellery, if you want precision time you have many other resources at your disposal.
This is a nice bracelet, good looking and not very expensive with the added bonus it can tell the time, more or less accuratly, who cares?
You can absolutely set the correct time without fail. I have a few watches to wear in rotation so 120 hours is awesome in my eyes
You can set the time accurately without issue. This whole thing has been blown way out of context by the watch you tube community - many of which know jack all.
And for the record, I don't own one and won't be buying one, but there is no issue setting the time on the watch, only with complainers on the interwebs about a problem that isn't truly a problem.
@@JayandSarah There is clearly an issue and it is shown in the video. Why lie about it? I don't care about "workarounds" on a wrist watch that costs this much.
@@DM-rc4yu that's a fair perspective to take, but it doesn't mean that you can't accurately set the time.
From my perspective, watching this review and all the others, is that the longer you are around this watch hobby - the more you can see just how active these brands are at working with "you tubers".
I take ALL these things with a grain of salt these days.
I commented on Cal 400 before and I said I'd get one to replace my Cal 733 Aquis if they release it in 41.5mm. Well now I guess I have to do that.
It's nice to see the blue dial in action!
The only reason I don't wear my Oris Aquis is because the accuracy isn't the best. This should fix that issue!
True. The Sellitas have a surprisingly large acceptable window of deviation. This is a bit better than COSC. I got +2 per day on this example
My Sellita Oris Aquis runs approximately +2 seconds a day.
I must have got lucky :)
@@MrMarkworld Same. My Aquis is still running within about 3 seconds a day after three and a half years !
@@presc13nt Nice!! Good to know I'm not the only one
@@MrMarkworld Mine after adjustment does + 0,5-1 s a day
There is too much hype about "in-house" movements, an ETA is an excellent movement. If a brand produces their own movement and, although it has 5 days power reserve, and that new automatic system, pushing the crown moves the minute hand and on top of that in different ways in each occasion, that is not a quality watch. I think it is in fact a deal breaker. Not even a swatch System 51 has such a problem. That is just a clear sign that the brand is not doing things right, they are selling a product before solving engineering problems.
Oris.
Great brand, great watches.
I owned the previous aquis-model 43.5 mm.
They will gain love and appreciation in the future. Surely now that they introduced the calibre 400.
1904 Hölstein. Oris, great watches for great people.
Greetings from Germany.
Same problem with omega cal. 8500 and 8900… the problem with jumping hour
Really??? Why there are no videos all over the internet about that?
It is definitely a significant flaw, no if ands or buts about it.
The 43.5 is fantastic and wears very nicely, I think that the 41.5 is nothing short of perfection. The Aquis looks best on it’s original bracelet in my opinion. Things I don’t like is the rather large price increase, the in-house 400 movement only because service will be expensive.
10 years warranty
@@Krayziedad I have many Oris watches and a few over 15 years of age and non have failed.
Looks nice but I'd like a happy medium, a classic Aquis with COSC certified SW300 for $2500 retail and $1800-2000 in grey market :)
Great review by the way
Patiently waiting for the 39.5mm version
A head-up for viewers, Oris has since then fixed the Caliber 400 jumping hands issue. New watches have revision 2 of the movement, as stated on the bottom : "Cal.400-2"
I tried one today, these watches are really well made. A Tag Heuer aquaracer is almost 1000 more and the quality is not even close to Oris
Why do they cut corners and not put a metal border on the date window? Omega does this too. It looks like an odd and empty space at the 6:00 hour. If no date window border then at least put a half an indice there to create balance.
$3,500 is a bit much though
When you compare them to Tudour the Tudor design team seem to be asleep compared to Oris all there watches look the same in my opinion Oris Is becoming a strong contender at that level i hope they continue down that path all they need to do id fix those Quirks that you mentioned
That's a pretty significant flaw to me. I would never buy a watch that did that. Awful
Lol another example of the classic watch enthusiast
On the fly micro-adjust would make this hands down the best dive watch at this price bracket.
Agreed, if they did that and had the calibre 400 in the 39.5 case, I would buy it immediately
Does someone know if there is actually a green dial oris at 43.5mm calibre 400? On their website they have only 41.5mm.
Although I could find only in 1 online store having 43.5mm with green dial on mr porter, while they even confirmed its 43.5. Authorised dealers all said oris does not produce the watch in green at 43.5 so dont even know...
Thanks a lot
Recently purchased one of these. So impressed with the quality, even with the quirk when adjusting the watch. Highly recommend one of these for someone looking for a watch under £3000.
This is a great colour, it s different from the 2023 blue 400 isnt it? But do they have the same ref number? Struggling to tell them one from the other when researching as pictures can show different colours
Oris Aquis cal 400 or Seiko MM300? Both are great watches and I know you like them both. But which one would you recommend more?
I definitely wouldn’t pay the extra for this movement over the one in the Oris Baikal. You’re pretty much on the way to buying another watch with the price increase. For my purposes it’s accurate enough , and both nowhere near as accurate as my iPhone .
What a great watch. Perfect size too, I'm glad to see Oris rolling the calibre 400 out to more models, in more sizes. Its not many watches that are below 14 mm thick and have over 100 hours of power, not at this price point.
I’ll be looking to pick up an Aquis with a Sellita movement.
Wait, this is the same channel that excoriated Omega for putting AR on top of their sapphire crystals and now you're asking Oris to do it.
Great review. I think Oris have now bypassed Tudor in watch making. By all ways.
Huge Oris fan, and this is a great review. Only fools get offended, if a reviewer points out areas that may need improvement, and when criticism is as well explained and respectful as this, I welcome it wholeheartedly 👍🏻👍🏻
1. in-house movement, 5days
2. beautiful blue
3. 41.5mm size
4. under 50$
amazing oris
no it is a totally unacceptable flaw... for a product charging over 2000 pounds. It is an unfinished prototype and is definitely not ready to be released. 1/4 of the price I can get a Powermatic 80, arguably in-house. 1/3 of the price I can get the new navy scuba with ceramic bezel and the 80-hour pr H10 running minus 1-2spd, arguably in-house. 1/2 of the price I can get the 72-hour pr longines L888, and also 1/2 of the price I can get the 72-hr pr manufactured T10 COSC with ceramic bezel and 600m wr from Titoni with similar/better level of finishing. 600 pounds more I can get a brand new seamaster in the grey market. What I am trying to say is, there are bunch of better options even if oris has fixed the flaw. You are not rolex, so dont think that you can sell by just putting a new movement into the same case. The price is getting closer to a seamaster, while the design looks closer to a seiko.
I hope they develop this movement into a true dual time with jumping local hours. Then it will be the perfect watch.
When this first came out the minute hand jump was a deal breaker for me but now that there is a quick solution for this is back on my list. Going past the desired time and then going back to set it doesn't bother me anymore.
Great presentation as always and fair as always. If I had to pick only one improvement, I think I'd go with a sizable clasp. No one is using the divers extension...I't's like kabuki theater to pretend that these will be used for their "intended" purpose in 95% of the cases. Anyway, they have their pro Aquis line for that. Beautiful watch, though hard to believe they have just decided to live with that movement quirk. But being independent has it's costs, eh?
Oris needs to sort out that flaw in a watch costing that much
Hey,
Is the blue on this dial & bezel the same as the new one you reviewed earlier. The 43mm
Yes
"It's a quirk of the twin barrel architecture." Christopher Ward's SH21 would like a word. It matches the Cal 400 for power and accuracy, and its hands don't bounce around.
For sure, and you don't need twin barrels to have this issue pop up in various calibers. I'm sure it will be rectified in future updates
3 months and still talking about a movement issue, wouldn't it be nice if you were doing a video explaining how Oris fixed the problem with great speed, lmao
No thanks
Good vid bw still
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Thanks for a thorough review, Bruce.
I appreciate that 👍
Totaly agree
Is so close to presenting the perfect watch. It's case design and bracelet integration are flawless. Butter that most Rolex and Blancpain pieces I own. They just need to polish up on the clasp with a slide adjustment. Pay attention to the glare off the dial and bezel. Watch the weight as it is a bit on the heavy side and can cut into your wrist. Like I said, it's close and they have the foundations of making the best sports divers
Hmm, I wonder, now that I'm watching your video, if Teddy misspoke in his video, because he talks about the accuracy being -30/+5, which I thought was a bit odd, however, there were some commenting on how outrageous this was given the price tag.
Thanks, Bruce for another solid take! The mvt ‘quirk’ is fine with me too but other twin barrel manufacturers (GS 9SA5) don’t have this issue at all. Oris is clearly spinning the ‘flaw’ rather than addressing it head on or fixing it.
Oh I'm sure they will fix it at some point. Likely a small tweak at service like many Rolex Breitling or Omega calibers
I love that they removed "Pressure Resistant" from the dial. That is 100% useless information and clutters the dial on the 43.5mm version. I'm still waiting on a proper BLACK dial like they offer in the 39 and 43mm. The new anthracite is ok, but lacks the clean timeless look of a simple and matching black dial + black bezel.
I'm sorry but I've tried to get a watch to complement my SMPc 41 including Oris, Tag ect. Ended up 2 weeks ago trading up to the 42 Seamaster blue on bracelet because as good as others are they just didn't match up to Omega quality for the price point. Just my opinion but one that's very strong, keep up the good stuff Bruce 👍🏴
I love ORIS, there a solid company and make quality products. However, if they would really listen to their followers they would understand it’s time to step up and make an adjustable clasp. They made an amazing rubber strap with an adjustable clasp. Hopefully the reading this comment. ORIS you have many examples - The submariner bracelet, IWC bracelet, Omega and so many other brands. Caliber 400 is a big breakthrough, now come on and cross the finish line and make a kick ass bracelet🏁
Funny how people who defend this flaw would say a watch is junk if it happened on a $200 Seiko. Why else are we paying this much for if not for refinement? I don't understand. You can get an NH35 powered, full stainless steel watch with sapphire crystal for less than $100. You can't charge this much and then tell me to put up with "simple" flaws and workarounds. This is like having to perform special gear shift sequence when going reverse in a brand new BMW.
Not a flaw ... just a different time setting method for a new movement. Before the early 2000's everybody inserted and turned a key to start their vehicles, then one manufacturer introduced a start button! ... it was different than previous key starting methods ... I guess that must have been a flaw too. I appreciate that you stopped, looked and backtracked your original dramatic response. I wish more reviewers were as honest. What you demonstrated was not a "work-around" or "trick" (as it is referred to by many other reviewers) it is just the proper way to set the time on this particular movement. Thumbs up given!
So the movement has this fault,to overcome this fault just set the time this way to get around this fault. No thanks. I'm amazed they are still releasing watches like that!
Dang, I want one. Amen to the micro adjustment clasp, I'll hold off until next year when they add one...Fingers crossed. Last time I looked the smaller size doesn't have the micro adjust on the rubber straps clasp. Which was really handy on the 43 model.
I completely agree with you about the quality of this watch. I’m still on my honeymoon phase with my SMP300 chrome dial when this timepiece came in the mail. Definitely enjoying this double honeymoon. The 41.5 mm size hugs my wrist perfectly. Awesome reviews sir.
my seiko sumo running at -3 a day with the 6r35... a loooooooooot cheaper (just saying i think seiko making a STRONG come back)
I was on board until the minute hand started jumping around. Unacceptable at this price point.
Hope Oris will take Aquis Pro down the same route as the main Aquis line and release one in a reasonable size. Current Pro 400 is almost a bit comical at 46 - 48mm. Great review, Bruce!
Great watch but I personally think the font of the logo looks like it could also be a cheap Amazon watch
Nice vid as always Bruce. Could you please bring to the channel the Longines Spirit? I’d love to hear your thoughts on that watch.
Congrats on using the most ridiculous adjectives in the watch game.
I enjoyed the 43 mm Aquis and loved it when I tried it on at an AD, but the 41,5 mm is perfection ❤️
Oris has done it again, yeeaa another Aquis. I'll wait for a 65 thank you.
Thank you very much It's a beautiful Watch✌
For the time-setting quirk. You don't actually have to overshoot and back into the correct time. You just need to get pressure off the forward gear. Moving the hands clockwise to set the time, when the correct time is achieved back the crown off just a tad so you are in the dead zone of the crown. Push in, sets it without moving the minute hand. Watch at 15:15 th-cam.com/video/SyFmCNz2pug/w-d-xo.html
You nailed it. Even captured it's true face and star burst.
A dream watch. Goodjob Oris. Thanks Bruce for giving us the 'troubleshoot hand setting'. Really ease me a lot haha .. gonna grab this soon !
Looks nice but I went with the Breitling SOH II instead.
Reflection is due the dial, a Matt dial would have less reflection
Used to own this model and miss it. Will defo buy back at some point
Oris just did a great job.
Just impressive for the price.
Nice review bro,,, may I ask how much is price by $,,,?
If the date window has a shiny frame would be nicer...
plz make 39.5 one with cal400
If they do that, I’ll cry. Just got a 39.5 aquis real dial and tungsten bezel.
Oris got a raw deal with some of the coverage of this movement. Lots of watch brands have jiggle in the minutes hand setting unless you overshoot and move back.
Wow, didn’t realize it tapered all the way to 16mm. Great review.
Lovely watch, great design, too expensive at retail. Oris sells very well and an awful lot cheaper in the 2nd hand market as they lose value quite quickly. If you don't mind that, you can get great deals later on. But if you prefer brand spanking new, go for it!! 41.5mm is a bit small for my wrist but definitely a sweet spot for many people.
Great thing about Oris is most ADs will offer a good discount. Very rarely do I see people buying at retail. Only further enforces the value for money aspect
Now a better clasp and the watch is perfect.
Imo if AR on the outside is not a good idea, what’s the point of buying a watch when you can’t move your arm a bit to bypass the reflection? Might as well use the phone to check the time
It's on the inside. Check their website.
Oris growing into a more and more serious contender
Man, I love the blue, and I love the size, and the movement. Wow! 🤩
Having such tight daily deviations make no sense if one can’t sync time accurately… +- 6 secs v/s jumping minutes.
Lol you can absolutely sync it correctly without issue
Great review…! Good stuff…
Hi Bruce - how would you compare this to Breitling Super Ocean Heritage 42mm blue ? I know different price points... but visually, technically and value for money wise... which of the two you lean towards ?
It’s a good looking watch.
I set my watches by that method anyway, to make sure I've taken up the 'slack'. in the drive system . I thought it was just common sense.
They're getting closer! Put the Cal 400 in the 39.5 case and then take my money!
I got green one last week.
Are there any other European divers with in house movements under $5k aside from the BB58 or this?
Oris please add tool free clasp adjustment, but also keep the diver’s extension!
Oris movement look way way better than the Tudor … I will take the Oris over Tudor
Or save another $2000 and get a Seamaster 300.!
Both is the correct answer haha
Awesome watch!
Oh boy, blue again
sup Bruce i saw you today in my bike with friends