2021 Rolex Submariner 41 VS Oris Aquis Caliber 400: A Luxury Dive Watch Shootout!
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Oris SKU: 4364014
This comparison pits the news-for-2020 41mm Rolex Submariner against the redesigned 43.5mm Oris Aquis Date. Now equipped with a three-day power reserve, the iconic Rolex dive watch pairs slightly increased size with a more gracefully tapered lug profile. The unidirectional Rolex dive bezel with Cerachrom ceramic insert and the Glidelock diving clasp adjustment continue from previous Submariner models.
Oris' new Aquis Calibre 400 adds almost too many new features to count, but the headliner is the new manufacture caliber 400 with a five-day power reserve and a ten-year warranty. Additional features of this Oris dive watch are a diving extension in the clasp, a display caseback, and a new quick-release system for its bracelet and straps.
The Rolex Submariner Date 126610LN is encased in 41mm of stainless steel surrounding a black dial on a stainless steel Oyster bracelet. Features of this Rolex Submariner Date include hours, minutes, seconds and date. This Rolex watch also measures 12.8mm in thickness and 48.1mm from lug-to-lug.
The Oris Aquis Date Calibre 400 01 400 7763 4135-07 8 24 09PEB is encased in 43.5mm of stainless steel surrounding a teal dial on a stainless steel bracelet. Features of this Oris Aquis Date Calibre 400 include hours, minutes, seconds and date. This Oris watch also measures 13.3mm in thickness and 50mm from lug-to-lug.
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Feels like its been forever since the last time I saw a versus on the channel! So glad to see it back and what a combination to start with!
I would wear the Oris while piloting my vintage Chris Craft cruiser off Cape Cod , oh crap , I just remembered that I don't own a vintage Chris Craft cruiser and I've never been to Cape Cod , funny how the mind plays tricks like that .
I dont think I will ever be able to afford a Rolex or a Chris Craft. Oris is the only thing grounded in reality.
Don't sell yourself short. You never know.
@@jaimegorina6562 Life holds many surprises .
Just bought the Oris Aquis with the 18kt gold bezel, with green dial. Gorgeous watch. Have two Rolexs which I love also but wow, that Oris is gorgeous!!!
I am a long time Oris enthusiast and I love my Aquis. Don't get me wrong, my Rolex Explorer is awesome. I just think Oris is a brand to keep an eye on.
Oris is underrated. So is Fortis.
Yee
same
Bought my first Oris to day. ❤ The Cherry one.
Tough to compared these two watches. But for the price I definitely think the Oris is the better watch. These also happen to be my two favorite dive watches in their respective tiers and I look forward to owning both!!!
Very good review. I bought the Oris Aqua 400 because it ticked every box for me and was beautiful to look at. A lot of watch for your money plus the 10 year warranty.
And you could actually get one..
@@robertn3121 Sure did here in Australia. I got the SS bracelet but awaiting the rubber strap coming into Oz for the Oris It is a stunning watch to look at. Also the date I don't need a cyclopes as I can see it clearly and at my age I need it. :)
Mine will be coming today 🎉 i got on the rubber strap, not so comfortable wearing bracelets.
@@sagarpandita6916How is your Aquis working out?
@@beestingza its working extremely well. Very accurate timekeeping. Overall a very solid watch for the money, no issues thus far. Go ahead if you are thinking about it. I got used to the quirk of setting the time, need to just release crown a little bit in the opposite side (disengage the lever teeth) while setting the time.
Buy both. Wear the Oris while you're waiting for your Rolex.
Exactly what I intend to do except I want the two tone Rolla 🤙🏻
smp 300 was the choice for me : )
Buy Oris, and take 5 star Hawaiian vacation 😎
And oh boy you shall be waiting😂
@@theannouncer5538 :)
These versus videos are so great! Keep up the good work Tim, there really isn’t anyone else in the business that does it like you 🙏 and I absolutely love that you often root for the underdog!
Tim has the most incredible purpose-built vocabulary and fluency in watch terminology. I've never seen anyone else who can describe a watch the way he does. Makes me wonder if he has equal knowledge about any other topics.
Oris was once a great brand, not just good brand ... and I am glad, that they are back.
Oris all day. As soon as some different colorways come out I'll looking for one (I already have a blue diver)
The red is gorgeous
The Oris is a keeper for life... the Rolex I’d love to flip so I can buy several Seikos a Sinn probably a Zelos and a Doxa 300 pro 😂
I used to love the sub but after seeing so many homage watches, I went with the green Aquis in 39mm. So, my solution was to go with a green Oris Aquis and a Tudor Black Bay 58. Still had money left over.
That date sub is one of my grails, but I can’t afford it. However, I did just recently pick up the Aquis caliber 400. It will be here in a couple of days!
I can't believe how nice most of oris watches are. They make some sick drive watches.
Having owned both the Oris 400 and the 114060 (which hey, is close enough), I feel that the Sub is the better overall watch in almost every aspect, except warranty. But is it twice as good a watch (MSRP), much less four times as good a watch (grey)? That'd be a tough sell to anyone who doesn't have their heart set on a Rolex, irrespective of cost.
I have several Oris watches, and always recommend them to people. For me it's a case of buy both. The Oris can be your watch until the Rolex arrives. And when the Rolex arrives you'll probably still want to wear the Oris anyway!
I prefer the Oris for all that you stated and that the Rolex, although a fine watch, is uncomfortably small on my wrist.
Can’t believe the made the sub more than 40mm I was hoping the trend to get over huge watches was over...I have 7.5 wrist and will always wear watches no larger than 41 bit a sub should never be over 40 and a Day Date should never be over 36MM
this video should have been made with the 41.5mm aquis
It's nice to see a video where the enthusiast picked an Aquis (or any other watch) over the Sub. No hate on Rolex though. I think it set the standard and forced other brands to up their game. Great video.
There's no denying that the Oris Aquis is the better value for money watch, but since Rolex to most people is about brand prestige and value retention the Oris will sadly be over looked by most. I personally buy a watch to please myself certainly not for others so my choice hands down would be the Oris.
The Oris is very beautiful. I like how they have their own unique styling rather than copying Rolex.
I own an Oris Titan C on the Oris rubber strap along with a Rolex Deep Sea Sea Dweller and I must say the Oris gets the most wrist time. It is such a great watch.
The Oris Aquis 400 is a great watch.
What a return!
Get review. Much appreciated. There's only one Sub if that's what you want, or if you're selling again, but on a straight head to head value for money ownership proposition, the Oris Aquis Calibre 400 takes the win!
Not a fan of the Oris brand but this has got to be one of the best looking dive watches on the market. Makes the Rolex look dated.
Thanks for the help with the video. I'm just on my way to get an Oris.
Oris vs Tudor would have been a better match for the comparo, IMHO
The sub is iconic but for what you get for your buck the oris is beautiful and they haven't cut the corners for the money so for that reason and that reason alone I think the oris wins don't get me wrong the sub is beautiful too but for your buck I think must watch guys like us will go for the oris
More VERSUS please
I have the 2022 Oris Great Barrier Reef 3, in a very similar shade of iridescence blue, but with the ludicrously microscopic radial date wheel in orange, orbiting mid-dial. I love the watch because it makes me feel a little bit special- except when squinting strongly at, and failing, to discern the date - then it me feel like a pillock. Lovely watch though - the Swiss Blue - beautiful plumage!
For me if you look past the investment value and brand name, its a no contest now that Oris has raised its game with the movement , so technically its a much closer contest. The whole cyclops idea is hideous and can't understand why the look of the rolex is so compromised by placing such importance in seeing the date that clearly. Obviously designed for divers that not only have bad eyesight, but cannot just raise their arm to get a closer view. Cant be many that spend days underwater either. Am sure others would disagree and see this idea as keeping alive some classic styling. But only my two cents, the Oris streets ahead on style wow factor
I have the blue GMT and I can assure everybody that the quality is very good. I have compared it with the Rolex Submariner and the bezel looks as expensive as the Sub. Side by side the Rolex doesn't look 6 times more expensive
One other comment I will make from my own observations of having the watch and anyone who has one will understand. I find that the white batons in the Oris seem to really pop with the blue face. Might just be my eyes but I do find that.
10 years on and I still LOVE my Oris Aquis gen 1
Not gonna lie, the Glideloc is very important to make small adjustments.
however, are you telling us that Rolex's "Stamped" clasp is somehow "better" than the Oris milled clasp? 👀
I have a sub, and yes people ask me all the time if it’s real (actually obnoxious). But my green dial Oris Aquis gets compliments - mostly about the uniqueness of the green dial.
This man is way to eloquent, very nice
I love the look of the Oris,, you can even purchase one! I didn't realize the bracelet version came with the additional band. Tempted to say the least. Great review and without bias which is why I subscribed. I'm definitely not a fan of the glass "wart" on the Sub. I also prefer the date at the 6 for the symmetry of the dial. A sub no date? Well that may take some time for many.
Fast and accurate information, say no more👍
I disagree with the idea that the submariner supply will be made “dear,” they literally make hundreds of thousands of them on an assembly line, they are much more popular. Buy one and you will meet tons of people who have the same watch. With the oris, you will never come across another oris owner
I actually have 2 colleagues that wear oris, and nobody out of 90 people in my office wear a rolex.
The supply is restricted with rolex. They could sell more. But they choose not to. It gives the illusion that they're popular, and they are, but the restricted supply just makes suckers like you want them more
@@anthonyonline4740 Rolex makes a million watches a year on a production line. They have genius level marketing whereby everyone is convinced that it is the best. There are boutique watch makers that make far better watches than Rolex but most consumers will just go with the default choice. It must be said that Rolex do make good watches but the genius is in the marketing.
@@almac9203 I don't know what point you're trying to make, but ok
@@anthonyonline4740 I was simply saying that Rolex makes a good product but that the genius of Rolex is really their incredible marketing. They take a good product and convince everyone that it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. People are jumping through hoops just for a chance to get one. When I first went to buy a nice watch I only considered Rolex because I was convinced by their marketing that it was some handmade masterpiece of haute horology. I now aspire to get a fifty fathoms because I learnt that there are better watches on the market.
I have the Oris Carlos Coste 1st edition and would like to know what your thoughts are. Thanks
I own a Omega seamaster.. My dream watch is a Rolex yacht master. ,After watching your channel. my next watch is without a doubt the Osiris. ..Thanks for posting
Oris Aquis is in the mail on the way to me
My first Swiss watch
Thankye from Denver North Carolina
17:56 why someone should approach a stranger in a restaurant demanding to know if a watch is genuine or how much it costed?! I'd praticed martial arts for 17 years. If someone did that to me I would lose my mind and head kick or punch the living soul out of that person. Not messing with other people and minding our own business should be among everyone's sacred rules to live in society. I love the Oris Aquis Big Date.
Love everything about my Sea Dweller. Love the style of my Breitling Avenger II Sea Wolf…. but absolutely HATE its ETA movement! How does this Oris 400 movement measure against the ETA’s?
No nonsense Oris ✊
More like this please Sir Timothy
I think what Oris need will be famous people using them but the price will go higher.
Love my Rolex- the Oris is really cool, for the price range of Oris I got a Breitling SO 42 instead
Rolex .... Mass produced junk from Geneva .... Still uses cheap spring bars to hold the strap to the watch case .... The Oris is far superior and a better looking watch overall .... 10/10 to Oris ....
If a stranger asks if your rolex is real, I hope you have the common sense to say no.
You didn’t even mention that the Oris Aquis has got an integrated bracelet
The only reason why you buy Rolex is for the status. Performance, materials and design they are almost the same but the price difference is huge.
Quickly and easily remove the bracelet. Tim fails to remove the bracelet on camera, moves on, nothing to see here.
Oris
Nice video, audio is a bit muffled though
Interesting comment section, I HV the cherry Aquis and it's a pearl!
Had few subs and GMTs over the watch journey and it's boring... Nice watch for sure but boring and well... In business settings everyone wears a Rolex with no horological knowledge.
So I'd pick an oris Aquis over a sub, and buy a GS with the change!
I much prefer my Oris World timer to my Rolex. The Oris is larger and visually stunning. It's also extremely well made and has stood up to extensive world travel wear on a motorcycle. My Constellation is nice but a bit of a latte watch.
Yes!
Sorry to rain on your parade Tim, but if you unlock the sapphire caseback and check the escapement it is lubricated ;) sometimes PR is just PR.
I actually own a aquis. I want the new smaller Oris. Both are very very nice
The Oris wears MUCH better than this updated Sub. I feel clumsy with the Sub on. The Oris melts onto your wrist, and with it's "actual" dimensions, that's a real achievement. I feel that Oris have put alot of thought into this piece, and Rolex are just thinking "how can we make micro changes, that don't put anyone off"?
Aquis green face ticked the hulk box for me. More watch for your money than Rolex. Never really been a Rolex fan with the exception of the Daytona blue on rubber and Skydweller blue.
Tudor Black Bay 41mm is more special than both in my opinion. Looks similar to the Rolex, but got more color and more character.
I really planing to get oris just love this brand however Rolex better investment and never know but might want to sell even is you want new watch so some how huge dilemma. I like oris design better looks
Thanks for the review. Good information and comparison. In my opinion however, the sub is the icon and if you can afford one then buy it. If you do not, then no matter what you put on your wrist, you will forever compare it to the Rolex and wish you had one. I bought my sub a few years ago and am very happy with it. Truth be told though, I bought a vintage Oris a few days ago. So the best of both worlds.
Wish Rolex would do that colour
Rolex all day everyday. Tudor sports watch over this Oris as well especially the similar dimensioned Blue Pelagos
Tim, you neglected to mention that it takes over 200 manual winds to fully charge the Oris and the minute hand jumps out of place when hacking. Both are deal breakers. Sub for the win -- every time.
ORIS all day long! Still not sure whether the 400 or the Sellita
Am I the only watch enthusiast who criticises Rolex accuracy? I've had three over the years and all, including the 50th anniversary Sea-Dweller, have been a disappointment. My 16610 was shockingly inaccurate, even after a completely new movement 53 weeks after purchase! The original disintegrated - literally. The AD was embarrassed as he sent it back to Rolex. I dumped it after several failed attempts at regulation.
I then bought a new GMT2C in gold and stainless. It's a beauitiful watch but as inaccurate as the Sub. It also had a faulty bezel that was so misaligned it was irritating. It took Rolex two attempts to fix it. The Sub and GMT both gained 6 seconds a day, barely matching COSC rating.
The Sea-Dweller should have been an improvement, but it, too, has a faulty bezel, which moves round at random on the wrist. If worn in bed, it will advance two clicks overnight, which is ridiculous. This one LOSES six seconds a day and it's on its way back to Rolex under warranty. I have a fake Rolex President bought for me by a friend in New York in 2000. It keeps almost perfect time after 22 years and cost £7 ($10 at the time). Seriously!!
I have the Oris Aquis 400 and love it. I also have a Fortis chronograph with an ETA movement which keeps superb time. The most accurate self-winding wrist furniture I ever owned was an Omega Speedmaster chronograph. I regret selling it. Rolex - no thanks!
Love the Oris.
You are opening the Glide lock from the wrong end.Keep doing that and it will wear out,no longer fitting your 6 inch wrist
No, Tim, you have to rinse the Rolex after it has been in salt water. The cyclops is not a downside if you live in the real world, for it does make the date far easier to read if your eyesight is less than perfect. The quick release on the Oris bracelet is cute, but the reason Rolex doesn't' do it is not because they just don't do it. I guarantee after a few years the likelihood the little clasp will pop open is real, and would be disastrous if it happens when you bump something while diving. Rolex thinks of such things, and thousands and thousands of wear cycles. The Oris' new 400 caliber looks great, but you're negating the fact that new movements inevitably have problems once in the while (even the Rolex 3235 has had regulation issues, despite years of testing before release). A display back is not an automatic plus; you have an additional crystal with an additional seal that can potentially leak. And if you really wear and use your watch, how often do you actually look at the display back?
I've owned Rolex watches and dived with them for decades, and I've never had this "Rolex" problem you dinks at watchbox set to think is such an issue. People don't even notice your watch unless you hang out with very superficial people, and I've worked in rough parts of NYC with my Tudor Submariner (identical to the Rolex from a few feet) with zero issues. Look, I like the Oris, in fact I looked at one and am thinking about getting one as the price is great for what you get and the dial is pretty stunning. But to compare it to the Rolex is apples and oranges, and I'll bet my Sea-Dweller the Sub will be in far better shape after 20 years of diving than the Oris will, lovely though it is.
Both
Rolex all day, if you can get one at an AD.
My Hammerhead Oris is superior to my Rolex by far
I own both watches and the one big advantage of the Oris is that I don't feel like a pretentious berk when I wear it. Unfortunately the tik tok and Instagram brigade, who know nothing about horology have ruined the pleasure of wearing a rolex these days
I´ll choose the ORIS... and probably some hand mosturizer
Buy it, keep it and pass it on, Rolex all the way. Its money in the bank and always will be. Oris is a nice inexpensive diver that in your own words will be gone and out of mind 20 years or less.
I admire Tim’s philosophy and think it’s very cool how a Sinn is his daily watch - but there’s no way he genuinely chooses the Aquis. It’s just the necessary one to influence folks to buy because the Rolex Submariner will sell regardless.
@@jonchaton7541 very true, nice presentation, all the same.
Buy an IWC Ingenieur 3227 designed by Gerald Genta
Seamaster.
I think that the Oris is a more attractive and contemporary watch.
This is a joke, there is no comparison on what is a better watch. Now if there is a question on the best spend of the money, the Oris comes in at 1/3 the price, (and no one is going to list for an Oris). The Rolex is superior. The Rolex investment is superior. The Rolex as a 1-watch collection is way superior.
Oris is the best bang for your buck
The SW200 in a plethora of Oris watches is a real downer when you flip them over.99% of Rolex watches do not exhibit the movement so there is another downer.The sub mariner was always a tool watch and try as Rolex might it still looks tooley .The Oris is a tool watch that looks sporty in a contemporary format.The visible 400 Movement makes this Oris a keeper even though that clasp leaves a bit to be desired. The sub mariner is okay until you see a yacht Master two tone 40mm.The Oris wins on power reserve and front of and back of house aesthetic‘s.
But let’s get real a whole Nother level for sure, the Breguet Marine Royale In any variation blows just about every dive watch clean out of the water so help me God.
Very hard to compare the Breguet Marine Royale with most other watches. It is very unique.
ohbennyboy It is very unique in that it looks more historical than contemporary.It harkens back to when deep sea diving began and was very mechanical. Had it been around in those early days the BMR would have become the benchmark for dive watches for at least a century. For now and the foreseeable future the Rolex Submariner is the practical, go to,money no object ,divers timepiece .Imo,
of course.
You can get a blackbay 58 + the oris, and would still be cheaper than the rolex
All oris baby
I'd buy a Rolex as an investment. But it's just so boring. I can't imagine, being into watches as I am, wanting it to wear. I can imagine not being into watches n thinking it'll make me look rich. I've handled one, it didn't make me want one but I appreciate the built quality. It's like an original BMW 5 series cos it's never changed externally but it's a classic. But unobtainable unless u buy a very expensive watch. So many other great options. Like a car or something.
almost scratched the sides there, in the beginning.. :D Otherwise, fun to see
rolex front victory
rain bridge fire house
I mean, the Aquis is essentially the same as previous models, except it now has an in-house movement
How is that an improvement?
I would much rather go for a tried and tested workhorse movement from Sellita than some new, unproven in-house movement
And even if the in-house movement turns out to be just as reliable as a movement from Sellita, how does that justify the watch costing twice as much
I mean, the bump in power reserve is nice, but for twice the price?
I'm sorry, this is just a case of a manufacturer trying to tap into the strange obsession that some people have for in-house movements, in order to charge more for their watches
I've been a fan of Oris for a long time, their watches are great value for money, because they don't play that in-house movement game, but it looks like that's going to change
It gives the watch more prestige. Watch snobs and collectors care about these sorts of things. Off the shelf movements are associated with cheap watches.
Rolex is the king
I miss the music in the intros...I miss the effort.
Oris “allows you to quickly and easily “ change the bracelet to the strap. Proceeds to be unable to take the bracelet off on camera.
The Oris is,,,beautiful!!
Referring to the cyclops as a wart, very well put couldn't agree more.
I’m a Rolex fanboy but this Oris is very nice and you can’t beat the price especially when you can’t get the new sub at an AD and it’s $14k on the second hand market
Excellent head to head. Got myself a sub and an Aquis and both are impressive watches no doubt. My Rolex wins when it comes to brand recognition but frankly speaking my Oris wins in terms of quality and price. Bought my Rolex to feel important but nahh..at the end of the day i felt more connected to my Oris cuz realistically it feels like a better watch than the Rolex imo... laid off the Rolex fanboy after being in the watch game for a while.
The Rolex is far more prestigious and will hold its value better but the Oris is far better looking. That blue version is one of the best looking dive watches. Makes the Rolex look old.
I own a subby 41, and a sea dweller SD 43 red. Although quality is sublime and I apreciate them both, Design, looks and comfort of my Oris collection , Aquis, Titan and my TT1 all kill my Rolex's in regards to case, dial and bracelet aesthetics. Simply better looking from every angle. Wouldn't bother me to sell the Rollers, but won't be selling my Oris's unless I'm updating. I'm past the value retention and the whole prestige and snobbery part. I just wear what I like more regardless of brand. Some might argue that the Rolex will last longer. True, but the Oris will last 30 years and I won't be here by then, and if I am here, I probably won't be wearing any 30 year old watch regardless.
Point here is that you buy and wear what you personally love in your own subjective opinion, and don't worry about what the Jones's are buying or wearing.
Stupid comment
@@joelopic
I bought my blue Oris Aquis Caliber 400 just 12 hours ago, I had a long look at them when they were on the Sellita caliber. This is a great tech watch for the price. And I definitely don't want to look like a person who makes 300,000 a year, because I am not and dont want pretend to be.
Yes value for money hands down. They have better clarity and they are for the real people as their moto suggests. I'm an Oris man to the bone. I have 3 Rolexes, might keep the explorer 2. Selling the sea dweller 43 red and subby 41 More comfortable with my Oris collection. People complain about the priority bracelets but it's that design, integration that gives them that look and the curving lugs that hug the wrist. They just do it better.
The Aquis has better magnetic resistance from factory specs on both, Aquis has equal shock resistance according to company literature... just a note not a judgement