Just a tip for some of you guys shooting your pumpers in weather conditions, Pumpers and Co2's have power jumps when the weather is warmer. You will lose power on rainy days and cold weather. Thats why Co2's are crap in cold weather the power drop is quite drastic. Break Barrels have no problems in diffrent weather conditions because when the piston compressess the air ,it creats it's own heat, so thats why there is allways a big difference between the the airguns. I like your video but the test is also effected by the wood being wet or damp.
Liked your video but you have your description is wrong the pellets did pernitrate the boards, but you do know that wet wood adds resistance to the boards and your not looking for penetration but exit holes. A wet piece of wood can add up to 15% more resistance to the wood, the pellet losses energy passing through the soggy to layer of wood, which the break barrel can over come at 800fps but the 362's max is 700fps, so if you subtract 15% form each guns max you will see why the 362's pellets did not have the power at 150 feet to exit the wood. Nice video.
The old timers would adjust the loads for thier shotguns by starting out with a light powder charge and increase the charge a little at a time until the pellets would penetrate a steel soup can. They said if it would punch through a steel can it would kill small game.
the Drifter is a 20-25 yd pumper for squirrels...the c 362 will actually be able to do that at 50 yds.. I've got several videos on my TH-cam channel if you want to see what I have...G.Whitfield/ TH-cam..thanks and great video!!
Interesting comparison video. However, unless you are shooting with 25+fpe setup, shot placement is usually the most important thing when hunting under 20fpe at the muzzle. Look at what the guys in the UK do with sub 12fpe rifles (which would be somewhere between the drifter and the 362 in terms of power) , they regularly shoot and kill humanely rabbits at 180feet.... but headshots only. Basically the rule is: at any given distance, if you can shoot 5 beer bottle caps in a row, then you can hunt some game at that distance. That could be a cool idea for a future video 🙂
I’ll have to check out some of the UK videos. I already have my suspicions that how they are doing that is quite different than what I run into shooting pests around my yard. Beer bottle caps would definitely be a very difficult target. From the videos I’ve watched of guys testing and shooting different airguns on TH-cam, they are all shooting from a rest. That isn’t practical out in the field or the woods and masks inherent inaccuracies in the different types of power plants, gun configurations and weight & balance of the air guns.
That was quite interesting. I just watched some UK videos and they get way more involved and prepared than anything I ever do. When I have a pest situation, my dog generally trees it and then I shoot it offhand. The UK guys are doing things like waterfowl or big game hunters do here in the USA using blinds, range finders, sitting in one spot waiting for something to walk/fly by. Heck, one guy was packing around a sandbag and appeared to make a day out of shooting rabbits. I’m more interested in taking out a pest quickly when it appears and then get on with doing other things. Lately with the channel I’ve been thinking about what’s the easiest to shoot, most accurate air rifle to get that doesn’t cost a ton of money. I guess after collecting a good number of airguns after all these years, what type is the best one for general use as it’s really easy to get caught up in spending lots of money on something that isn’t all that practical. This has been a fun distraction from our ever present rain.
Personally, I use the 1377 with a stock and compact 3x mag scope for shot range (15yards) ratting in my backyard and I recently bought the 362 for longer range stuff with a 4x mag scope. So I know what you mean 😏
I don’t own one of those trigger pull weight testing devices. I suspect other videos have performed that test? The RWS trigger is much nicer than the 362. But, I don’t think the 362 trigger is bad.
Great video, it's good to see some RWS 34-.22 stuff. This is just for some info/data but in my backyard range I have a pine tree that sits at a measured 77 yards and I've shot (thus far) 2 squirrels with my -34 using Crosman 14.3 gr HPs (very accurate out of my somewhat hot shooting 34) and on the first squirrel the pellet went completely through the front shoulder and exited. On the second squirrel the pellet stopped just up against the skin on the opposite side of entry of the front shoulder without exiting. Both were standing in just about identical poses broadside to me at the base of said tree. And remember that squirrels are tough and their skin has this odd property that makes it very movable and acts almost like a self-sealing gas tank in an airplane wing. The nature of their skin is I believe what makes it so difficult to kill them -without using the effects of extreme velocity (hydrostatic shock) at distance. My RWS is a bit hotter shooting than my model 95 Hastan .22 and is squirting those Crosmans at an honest 765 FPS (measured at 20' from muzzle) and I've had more than one squirrel run off from what I thought was a perfect shoulder shot at
Thanks! Squirrels are crazy tough. I get nuisance squirrels every summer and they are way harder to cleanly kill than the feral rabbits we occasionally get. I’ve shot a number of rabbits in the shoulder area and they fall right over. Some of the dang squirrels refuse to die. I most often use head shots for the squirrels now at closer ranges than I was before. Primarily though I just like to plink and experiment. I enjoy challenging myself to shoot longer and longer distances offhand. This channel has been fun to make as I’ve learned a ton about airguns from viewer comments. I’m looking forward to getting more light and nicer days so I can shoot outside after work again and create some new content.
@@airgunsofalaska Absolutely right about the rabbits. If you look at them with a mean grimace they'll just about die on the spot. I'm sure those Alaskan squirrels are probably a bit tougher than ours (Eastern Grey). I'm a few miles to the Southeast of y'all in Wilmington NC. I love to shoot and do a little hunting, but lately I've been on an Airgun craze and prefer to just be able to walk out on the back porch anytime I want (inside town limits here) and shoot as much as I want. The data gathering is cheap and lots of fun and it's awesome how you can just scale down your ranges and have every bit the fun without the price/penalty of the powder burners. A good quality airgun like the RWS is as versatile in its own way as anything that goes boom. Keep the videos coming (if weather permits) and I'll keep watching. Subscription will be added momentarily. Thanks!
We’ve got red squirrels which are not very big. They’re similar in size to a 13 lined ground squirrel and will be active off and on during the winter. I shoot my airguns way, way more than powder burners. I hate cleaning firearms and with the current price of ammunition, I haven’t shot them for quite some time. Plus, it’s such a hassle to shoot powder burners. I either have to go to the public range (which I hate) or kinda hide out and shoot in discreet areas like old gravel pits. Problem is they’ve been blocking off access to more and more of the old pits due to slobs illegally dumping trash and junk vehicles. It I’d so nice to walk out into my front yard and shoot. I’m out of the rain and have access to all my stuff. Plus it’s been really cool to dig out my old airguns that in some cases I’ve not looked at or shot in over 20 years. 😀
@@airgunsofalaska Red squirrels are awesome, and not considered pests here (they're very rare) I've only seen 1 in 34 years of living in NC. I also watched your Hatsan 95 video and I 100% agree with your assessment that it's fairly inaccurate and extremely pellet picky (I still haven't found one kind/weight/brand that it will consistently group under 3/4" at 20 yards) so mine (.22) mostly sits on the rack and I always grab my 34. I bought them new at the same time in June '22 and I've got over 6,000 rounds thru the RWS and am very impressed with the power/accuracy. The Hatsan feels better on the shoulder to me at least, but the RWS is the much better gun. They're both conventional spring pistons and have plenty of power but the 34 is probably a bit faster (surprisingly) and far and away more accurate/consistent. That old 880 that you have is super neat and I also have one that's much newer (thus plastic everything pretty much) but I installed a peep sight I made/modified by drilling a tiny hole in the cheap daisy airgun scope ring that came with it and mounted it on the rear dovetail and that really improved my accuracy overall and it's super fun to shoot, although a bit flimsy unless you're very gentle, I've killed tons of squirrels with it before I got the .22s.
@@codered7453 I looked up the red squirrel and it looks like they range across quite a bit of the US. I didn’t realize that. They are the only type of tree squirrel we have and they are everywhere. I like my RWS 34 way, way more than my Hatsan. The Hatsan is unrefined and not pleasant to shoot. The RWS is smoother, way easier to shoot accurately and the T06 trigger is worlds better. The traits of the Hatsan makes it unenjoyable for me to shoot.
My 1322 backpacker conversion with no valve mods is great for dove at close range or pigeons in barns. The pellet drops off too much to take them over 20 - 25 foot up and 20 foot out. Even standing almost directly under them it is impossible to get the pellet 45 foot up with any accuracy to get at them. I can actually see the pellet lose velocity. With a scope I get about 70% headshots 10% drop into the body and 20% misses as long as I stay within the effective range. It doesn't take much to miss a headshot and I can see the pellet trail it is of such low velocity. I have a discovery, a p-rod and the backpacker, all .22, and to test the power I just shoot straight into a clear grain 2 x 4 at 1 foot. The backpacker the pellet skirt is flush in the penetration, the p-rod is buried about equal to the length of a pellet and the discovery is buried double the length of a pellet. I used a probe to find the top edge of the skirt then sized it up to a pellet to come up with the depth. My friends Marauder .25 cal blows right through a 2 x 4 at close range but he had some work done to it. I've shot way more pellets and gotten more dove an pidgin with my pumper.
I’ve not shot my Drifter since last fall. I need to do some shooting with it and likely clean the barrel. It’s a fun little gun but my first impression wasn’t blown away with the accuracy. I know it can be better than what I was getting.
Crosman penetrators will go thru 2 of your thinner boards also Gamo rocket has good reputation for penetration , but I don't think pure penetration equallls lethal, , I like the concept of the video though , Im always intrigued by using some clay for testing , I recently looked at ballistics gel and it's way wY out of my price range for doing tests . The crosman penetrators are amazing at living up to thier names but not very consistent or accurate, I was able to penetrate a large sized 3 gal empty propane container with my Beeman RS2 Sportsman .
I have the drifter and the 362 and I won’t shoot no more than 35 yrs to me that’s the limit of those rifles for a quick clean kill if I wanna blow through thicker wood at 50 yrds I’ll use my 30 cal
I'd shoot tree rats all day long with either of them plenty of power at 75 / 125 ' that's like saying can't kill a moose with a 30/30 at 500/800 ' "speed and power is fine but accuracy is final" Samuel colt..
While shooting this past fall I was surprised by how many flyers I’d see when sighting in the different guns on paper targets. Often times the reason for the flyer seemed completely random. I agree with you about keeping the distance close with an airgun. A few weeks ago I also saw a phenomenon that they talked about on the American Airgunner channel where different pellets can begin flying erratically past a certain range. They were specifically talking about 10 meter target guns and how past that distance their groups would open up dramatically. I saw a similar thing using JSB Jumbo Monsters shooting out to 50 yds. I couldn’t even hit an 8.5x11 sheet of paper consistently. I was shocked by how inaccurate those pellets were at that distance.
Just a tip for some of you guys shooting your pumpers in weather conditions, Pumpers and Co2's have power jumps when the weather is warmer. You will lose power on rainy days and cold weather. Thats why Co2's are crap in cold weather the power drop is quite drastic. Break Barrels have no problems in diffrent weather conditions because when the piston compressess the air ,it creats it's own heat, so thats why there is allways a big difference between the the airguns. I like your video but the test is also effected by the wood being wet or damp.
Liked your video but you have your description is wrong the pellets did pernitrate the boards, but you do know that wet wood adds resistance to the boards and your not looking for penetration but exit holes. A wet piece of wood can add up to 15% more resistance to the wood, the pellet losses energy passing through the soggy to layer of wood, which the break barrel can over come at 800fps but the 362's max is 700fps, so if you subtract 15% form each guns max you will see why the 362's pellets did not have the power at 150 feet to exit the wood. Nice video.
The old timers would adjust the loads for thier shotguns by starting out with a light powder charge and increase the charge a little at a time until the pellets would penetrate a steel soup can. They said if it would punch through a steel can it would kill small game.
the Drifter is a 20-25 yd pumper for squirrels...the c 362 will actually be able to do that at 50 yds.. I've got several videos on my TH-cam channel if you want to see what I have...G.Whitfield/ TH-cam..thanks and great video!!
Checking out your videos right now. 😀👍
@@airgunsofalaska thanks for taking the time to check it out!. New subscriber to your channel!.
@@gwhitfield4239 right on! The mods you did to your 362 are like really similar to what I plan to do once the parts arrive.
@@airgunsofalaska I'll be following your posts!
Interesting comparison video. However, unless you are shooting with 25+fpe setup, shot placement is usually the most important thing when hunting under 20fpe at the muzzle. Look at what the guys in the UK do with sub 12fpe rifles (which would be somewhere between the drifter and the 362 in terms of power) , they regularly shoot and kill humanely rabbits at 180feet.... but headshots only.
Basically the rule is: at any given distance, if you can shoot 5 beer bottle caps in a row, then you can hunt some game at that distance. That could be a cool idea for a future video 🙂
I’ll have to check out some of the UK videos. I already have my suspicions that how they are doing that is quite different than what I run into shooting pests around my yard.
Beer bottle caps would definitely be a very difficult target. From the videos I’ve watched of guys testing and shooting different airguns on TH-cam, they are all shooting from a rest. That isn’t practical out in the field or the woods and masks inherent inaccuracies in the different types of power plants, gun configurations and weight & balance of the air guns.
That was quite interesting. I just watched some UK videos and they get way more involved and prepared than anything I ever do. When I have a pest situation, my dog generally trees it and then I shoot it offhand.
The UK guys are doing things like waterfowl or big game hunters do here in the USA using blinds, range finders, sitting in one spot waiting for something to walk/fly by. Heck, one guy was packing around a sandbag and appeared to make a day out of shooting rabbits.
I’m more interested in taking out a pest quickly when it appears and then get on with doing other things.
Lately with the channel I’ve been thinking about what’s the easiest to shoot, most accurate air rifle to get that doesn’t cost a ton of money. I guess after collecting a good number of airguns after all these years, what type is the best one for general use as it’s really easy to get caught up in spending lots of money on something that isn’t all that practical. This has been a fun distraction from our ever present rain.
Personally, I use the 1377 with a stock and compact 3x mag scope for shot range (15yards) ratting in my backyard and I recently bought the 362 for longer range stuff with a 4x mag scope. So I know what you mean 😏
BTW, at 35yards, the only pellets that consistently hits the bottle caps for me are the jsb hades
@@Cerrone1881 I’ve never tried those, good to know!
What's the trigger pull on the pistol and shorter crossman.
I don’t own one of those trigger pull weight testing devices. I suspect other videos have performed that test?
The RWS trigger is much nicer than the 362. But, I don’t think the 362 trigger is bad.
Great video, it's good to see some RWS 34-.22 stuff. This is just for some info/data but in my backyard range I have a pine tree that sits at a measured 77 yards and I've shot (thus far) 2 squirrels with my -34 using Crosman 14.3 gr HPs (very accurate out of my somewhat hot shooting 34) and on the first squirrel the pellet went completely through the front shoulder and exited. On the second squirrel the pellet stopped just up against the skin on the opposite side of entry of the front shoulder without exiting. Both were standing in just about identical poses broadside to me at the base of said tree. And remember that squirrels are tough and their skin has this odd property that makes it very movable and acts almost like a self-sealing gas tank in an airplane wing. The nature of their skin is I believe what makes it so difficult to kill them -without using the effects of extreme velocity (hydrostatic shock) at distance. My RWS is a bit hotter shooting than my model 95 Hastan .22 and is squirting those Crosmans at an honest 765 FPS (measured at 20' from muzzle) and I've had more than one squirrel run off from what I thought was a perfect shoulder shot at
Thanks!
Squirrels are crazy tough. I get nuisance squirrels every summer and they are way harder to cleanly kill than the feral rabbits we occasionally get. I’ve shot a number of rabbits in the shoulder area and they fall right over. Some of the dang squirrels refuse to die. I most often use head shots for the squirrels now at closer ranges than I was before.
Primarily though I just like to plink and experiment. I enjoy challenging myself to shoot longer and longer distances offhand. This channel has been fun to make as I’ve learned a ton about airguns from viewer comments. I’m looking forward to getting more light and nicer days so I can shoot outside after work again and create some new content.
@@airgunsofalaska Absolutely right about the rabbits. If you look at them with a mean grimace they'll just about die on the spot. I'm sure those Alaskan squirrels are probably a bit tougher than ours (Eastern Grey). I'm a few miles to the Southeast of y'all in Wilmington NC. I love to shoot and do a little hunting, but lately I've been on an Airgun craze and prefer to just be able to walk out on the back porch anytime I want (inside town limits here) and shoot as much as I want. The data gathering is cheap and lots of fun and it's awesome how you can just scale down your ranges and have every bit the fun without the price/penalty of the powder burners. A good quality airgun like the RWS is as versatile in its own way as anything that goes boom. Keep the videos coming (if weather permits) and I'll keep watching. Subscription will be added momentarily. Thanks!
We’ve got red squirrels which are not very big. They’re similar in size to a 13 lined ground squirrel and will be active off and on during the winter.
I shoot my airguns way, way more than powder burners. I hate cleaning firearms and with the current price of ammunition, I haven’t shot them for quite some time. Plus, it’s such a hassle to shoot powder burners. I either have to go to the public range (which I hate) or kinda hide out and shoot in discreet areas like old gravel pits. Problem is they’ve been blocking off access to more and more of the old pits due to slobs illegally dumping trash and junk vehicles.
It I’d so nice to walk out into my front yard and shoot. I’m out of the rain and have access to all my stuff. Plus it’s been really cool to dig out my old airguns that in some cases I’ve not looked at or shot in over 20 years. 😀
@@airgunsofalaska Red squirrels are awesome, and not considered pests here (they're very rare) I've only seen 1 in 34 years of living in NC. I also watched your Hatsan 95 video and I 100% agree with your assessment that it's fairly inaccurate and extremely pellet picky (I still haven't found one kind/weight/brand that it will consistently group under 3/4" at 20 yards) so mine (.22) mostly sits on the rack and I always grab my 34. I bought them new at the same time in June '22 and I've got over 6,000 rounds thru the RWS and am very impressed with the power/accuracy. The Hatsan feels better on the shoulder to me at least, but the RWS is the much better gun. They're both conventional spring pistons and have plenty of power but the 34 is probably a bit faster (surprisingly) and far and away more accurate/consistent. That old 880 that you have is super neat and I also have one that's much newer (thus plastic everything pretty much) but I installed a peep sight I made/modified by drilling a tiny hole in the cheap daisy airgun scope ring that came with it and mounted it on the rear dovetail and that really improved my accuracy overall and it's super fun to shoot, although a bit flimsy unless you're very gentle, I've killed tons of squirrels with it before I got the .22s.
@@codered7453 I looked up the red squirrel and it looks like they range across quite a bit of the US. I didn’t realize that. They are the only type of tree squirrel we have and they are everywhere.
I like my RWS 34 way, way more than my Hatsan. The Hatsan is unrefined and not pleasant to shoot. The RWS is smoother, way easier to shoot accurately and the T06 trigger is worlds better.
The traits of the Hatsan makes it unenjoyable for me to shoot.
My 1322 backpacker conversion with no valve mods is great for dove at close range or pigeons in barns. The pellet drops off too much to take them over 20 - 25 foot up and 20 foot out. Even standing almost directly under them it is impossible to get the pellet 45 foot up with any accuracy to get at them. I can actually see the pellet lose velocity. With a scope I get about 70% headshots 10% drop into the body and 20% misses as long as I stay within the effective range. It doesn't take much to miss a headshot and I can see the pellet trail it is of such low velocity. I have a discovery, a p-rod and the backpacker, all .22, and to test the power I just shoot straight into a clear grain 2 x 4 at 1 foot. The backpacker the pellet skirt is flush in the penetration, the p-rod is buried about equal to the length of a pellet and the discovery is buried double the length of a pellet. I used a probe to find the top edge of the skirt then sized it up to a pellet to come up with the depth. My friends Marauder .25 cal blows right through a 2 x 4 at close range but he had some work done to it. I've shot way more pellets and gotten more dove an pidgin with my pumper.
I’ve not shot my Drifter since last fall. I need to do some shooting with it and likely clean the barrel. It’s a fun little gun but my first impression wasn’t blown away with the accuracy. I know it can be better than what I was getting.
My black ops 22 cal pellet gun punches thru half inch pine board at about 35 yards with almost all pellets
This is why I use PCP's in .22 and .25, at 900fps with 34 grain It will blow through 5/8" at 30 yrds. Interesting results you have.
Crosman penetrators will go thru 2 of your thinner boards also Gamo rocket has good reputation for penetration , but I don't think pure penetration equallls lethal, , I like the concept of the video though , Im always intrigued by using some clay for testing , I recently looked at ballistics gel and it's way wY out of my price range for doing tests . The crosman penetrators are amazing at living up to thier names but not very consistent or accurate, I was able to penetrate a large sized 3 gal empty propane container with my Beeman RS2 Sportsman .
I’ve also experienced a lack of consistent accuracy with pointed pellets as well.
@@airgunsofalaska lol I still have half of the original tin of 100 and had them for 5 years , they are a novelty. Show your friends compared to a 22LR
I have the drifter and the 362 and I won’t shoot no more than 35 yrs to me that’s the limit of those rifles for a quick clean kill if I wanna blow through thicker wood at 50 yrds I’ll use my 30 cal
Not pine looks like spruce pallet wood lol
They were surveyor’s lathe.
I'd shoot tree rats all day long with either of them plenty of power at 75 / 125 ' that's like saying can't kill a moose with a 30/30 at 500/800 ' "speed and power is fine but accuracy is final" Samuel colt..
My worry would not be hitting power, but shot placement. I trust my Benji out to about 25 yards (the length of my back yard).
While shooting this past fall I was surprised by how many flyers I’d see when sighting in the different guns on paper targets. Often times the reason for the flyer seemed completely random. I agree with you about keeping the distance close with an airgun.
A few weeks ago I also saw a phenomenon that they talked about on the American Airgunner channel where different pellets can begin flying erratically past a certain range. They were specifically talking about 10 meter target guns and how past that distance their groups would open up dramatically. I saw a similar thing using JSB Jumbo Monsters shooting out to 50 yds. I couldn’t even hit an 8.5x11 sheet of paper consistently. I was shocked by how inaccurate those pellets were at that distance.
You should try the Gamo magnum gen 3i .22. Best break barrel you will ever own…👍
Gamo is the one big brand I’ve never owned before.
Please call that Crosman a three sixty-two. We're Americans - not Brits.
I started off in the English school system through standard 2.