Whats ironic is that the Lich King had less chance of winning against Sauron than a normal human simply because of Sauron viewing him as an actual potential threat. Sauron lost his ring simply for his hubris in how little he saw in man.
“I S~E~E Y~O~U” That tavern scene from the rainstorm river travel to the Ringwraiths all in all scare us pantsless…but the eye during the tavern bar invisible moment is truly frightening
His hubris wasn't entirely misplaced either. He literally left the door to Mt Doom open because he figured that anyone getting close to dropping the ring in would succumb to it's will, and he was entirely right, Frodo was unwilling to throw the ring into the mountain, it was Golum biting it off his finger that ended Sauron. IF they hadn't kept Golum alive, they would have failed.
to be fair too, Sauron hated Morgoth as Morgoth wanted to destroy everything. Sauron just wanted to bring it all to heel. Its speculated Sauron would have backstabbed Morgoth the moment he got the chance.
@@t5hammer871 Yes he would have and gotten quickly properly and completely spanked back down to size lol. It took a Host from Valinor and a few Valar to beat him No way Sauron would have been successful but he absolutely would have tried.
i like how sauron is aiming for frostmorune the entire time, hes all too familiar with how this op magical relic that contains a good chunk of your soul thing works
@@heyguysxd Actually it's a reference to a questline that reveals Arthas literally tore out his heart and last vestiges of his humanity only to then cast it into a pit.
Sauron only lost because of multiple interventions of God himself. And Sauron was right that nobody would actually want to destroy the ring. Tolkien has said that it's literally impossible to willingly destroy it. That's why in the books, Gollum accidentally destroyed it by slipping into the fire and in the movies falling in fighting over it with Frodo. In both versions, the ring had to be unintentionally destroyed.
It wasn't even an accident. Tolkien's letters explicitly state Gollum falling was also an act of God. Eru wanted to make certain Sauron lost. The fact that Eru NEVER intervened against Morgoth but had to intervene MULTIPLE times against Sauron says a lot to how much more dangerous a threat Sauron was due to him being way smarter than Morgoth about how to use his power most effectively.
@@LordSiravant Watch Fellowship again and compare the opening scene - a huge army of elves and men taking Sauron down all on their own - and compare it to the present day. By the time of the War of the Ring, everyone was isolated from each other, lineages were either slowly circling the drain or seemingly gone for good, great heroes were gone, and one of God's angels turned traitor in a desperate grab for power. God had to intervene against Sauron not because Sauron was stronger, but because the good guys were weaker.
@@dysn3961 I think that's what Token's ultimate message with Lord of the Rings was; not necessarily that good always vanquishes evil, but that evil, by its very nature, will ultimately destroy itself.
"Now... I'll tear out your heart!" "You will find *nothing* _there!"_ "You serve _me_ now..." _"I serve _*_no one!"_* "Witness the prophecy of your doom!" "You speak nothing but _lies!"_ Whoever did the dialogue on this one deserves a goddamn raise.
Not true, Arthas was calling a blizzard to disorient his foe and the eruption basically canceled it. ....but it was incredibly extra, regardless of benefits.
So basically the only reason Sauron lost any power was because he basically soloed Angels, God, and all of Middle Earth and the only way he could keep fighting to the ends of time was to slowly sacrifice parts of himself to continue the battle. What a monster. Edit: its been while and reading the comments imma have to explain this reasoning. Sauron is not technically all powerful, he just happens to be so cunning and ruthless that he can get away with trolling pretty much everybody. Just how Palpatine is debated to be either "not that powerful" or "actually the most powerful" sith. What made these characters brutal wasn't their sheer strength (although they had plenty to achieve their means) it was how easily they could manipulate and worm their way out of nearly any situation. These types of villians throw down to prove a point or to make the heroes THINK they entered the final battle. Just for the villain to steal something incredibly valuable for an even larger plan when they aren't looking. If you are 200lbs of muscle do you really need to double that to defeat Mike Tyson? No. Technically all you need is 200$ at a gun store and you've ended the life of the most powerful boxer the world have ever seen. Thats Sauron. He fights to prove a point and to achieve a greater goal. He didnt need to defeat God 1v1, he just needed to distract him while he got away with he wanted
What I like about Tolkien is that his idea of power and magic isn’t fireballs and lighting, it’s the subtle manipulation of probability, words turning into into truth as they will it so and the literal manipulation of fate and destiny itself. A lot less flashy at first glance but so much more deep, meaningful and powerful the longer you think about it.
I mean sure...it's also the flashy stuff too. Like when Sauron makes himself a ten foot tall armored behemoth with a giant mace to crush dozens of knights at once. And Balrogs are basically the definition of "flashy power".
Sauron never crushed dozens of knights at once in the books... but he DID grab an elven lord (Gil-Galid) by the neck, hoist him into the air, and immolate the poor bastard from the inside out. WAY cooler than fireballs or lightning IMHO. Also, the Balrog's worst power in the books was the fear they projected; they pretty much turned you into a whimpering mess just be being in the same room with you.
Personally, I like it when magic can do both. Like Mage The Awakening, where one of the more dangerous mage types specialize in manipulating Time and Fate
Well Sauron actually was right about his power being irresistible in the end, the One Ring was only destroyed by accident because of two people fighting over it.
The ring doesn't make the wearer invisible, it puts them in a spiritual plane. That's why when Frodo wore the ring, he saw the Wraiths in their spirit form, and why when Sauron wears the ring, he isn't invisible, because he lives on both planes.
I've heard multiple different descriptions of what's happening, but the most consistent one is that the ring amplifies ones natural abilities, while also seducing them to it's will.
But it STILL does turn you invisible to the people around them as they can't see you at all, regradless of the ACTUAL implications so they weren't wrong to say that.
Honestly, Big Bad VS Big Bad is one of my favorite types of matchups, if only because they spend the entire battle throwing awesome one-liners at each other trying to win a game of one-upmanship
oh yeah every time they do a match up like this is ends up with some of the best lines. Like Gannon vs Dracula, Aizen vs Madara, and Goku Black vs Reverse Flash are peak for this lol
I like how in more recent Death Battles, they go for more character-driven deaths rather than gory spectacles. Sauron sucking out the Lich King's soul before dumping his corpse on the ground and then taking his throne feels truer to his malicious character than some Mortal Kombat demise.
@@allanbaker3958 Not technicaly. He has the Lich King powers, but is not the Lich King. From what I understand, the Lich King is the fusion of Ner'Zhul (The souls trapped in the armor) and the wearer of the armor. If there is no fusion, then there is no Lich King. Technically, of course. Since Sauron has the powers of Lich King, he acts as a Lich King. That is what I believe, knowing a bit about the lore of LK.
@@allanbaker3958 I mean, the Witch-king of Angmar and all the Nazguls are technically lichs themselves, so Sauron was technically the king of the Liches.
@@abhabh6896 From Saruon's perspective, he didn't see himself as evil. But as someone who must make the difficult choice to bring order and peace to middle-earth. For everyone else though, they saw it as pure tyranny.
The fact that Sauron literally had no cons in the aftermath analysis is honestly badass. Especially considering that he is the ONLY combatant to have that at this time.
Fun thing, that even IF Arthas managed, somehow, to remove Ring from Sauron hand... he'd just put it on his own hand and, whelp, this will be another win for Sauron.
@@jacobweatherford4696+ I feel like this is a bit of an exaggeration and I actually think that Arthas definitely could fight off Saurnon taking over his mind directly. What I think would be more likely is that Arthas takes the Ring, leaving a Sauron's spirit to reconstitute over like 5000 years and in that time, the Ring is building upits influence over Arthas subtly to thebpoint he always has it near or on him and is overly protective of it. When Sauron re-announces himself, the Ring helps drive Arthas into a stat where he's overly paranoid and protective and sets about acting to prevent Sauron ever getting the Ring back and then abandoning Arthas at a pivotal moment, leaving him in a disadvantageous position meanwhile having Sauron end up getting the Ring back and either using it's influence to finally get past Arthas' defenses or, more likely to eventually defeat Arthas in battle, strip him of his own artefacts and now t of his power, then break and enslave him while he's weakened, analyse and unlock the secrets of all of Arthas magic and his artefacts before taking all the power and knew magical techniques he can before ultimately giving Arthas' back his stuff and installing him as his new right had and giving him command of the Nazgul. Hell, he might even force a Ring on Arthas in his weakened state and completely bind him to his will that way. Perhaps he'd even manage to discover how to pull souls out of Frostmourne and bind the soul or Arthas himself. The Sky's the limit here.
@@jacobweatherford4696 that's not how the ring works at all. If so then any of the people who wore it would ha e become him. He needed to right to complete his soul.
Melkor is Saurons boss. His title is He Who Arises in Might. Gets named Morgoth by the elves which means The Black Enemy for stealing the silmarils and killing the two trees. Has a song battle with the other Ainur angels effectively. Bringing evil into the world. But Eru Illuvitar tells him that all of his effort shall in the end make the music of the Valar more beautiful and Ultimately serve his will Sauron later has a similar rap battle with Fingon and slays him. IIRC Fingon was the High King of the Noldor at this point, noldor being high elves
A complete reference to Sauron countering Celebrimbor and Eltariel attempting to Dominate him in Shadow of War. You cannot mind control a Maiar. As Shelob in the same game said, the only way Celebrimbor would have won is if Talion was with him instead of Eltariel. Talions ferocity and wish for control would have overpowered Sauron without the Ring.
A story is only as good as its villain. Sauron is a good villain because he is sinister, extremely powerful, has clear motives, and very specific weaknesses. Mainly, he is only defeated by his own hubris.
@@lightningwight4154 It's honestly possible in the Trilogy that he could have even succeeded since Frodo wouldn't have thrown the ring into the volcano and he would have possibly killed off the Fellowship with his forces while he could have had his orcs kill sam and frodo and reclaim the ring. The only reason why he didn't win was cuz of Gollum's interference.
@@Crasheschick During the original trilogy, Sauron is mostly just a ghost and still on the very edge of absolute global conquest. They even said whenever Gondor caught the Hobbits that "all that needs to happen is for Faramir to merely extend his hand, and take the ring. Then the world of man will fall".
@@lightningwight4154 yeah sauron didn't really need to be in his physical form he knew that no man was going to be able to throw it in n even no other species would either.
Lord of the Rings is a masterpiece that stands the test of time beautifully. The movies, games, and other stuff are only the cliff notes of the content in the books, and even the books themselves are just a piece of the incredible stories that happened in Tolkien's world. If you can handle some heavy reading, they are absolutely still worth a try.
Little do people know, when Sauron said “i shall claim what is mine” he probably meant finally getting the reins of invincible to drop. Mans been probably raiding ICC for damn near a year by now
I'd like to add that Tolkien himself said the ring was literally impossible to destroy willingly. The whole reason Sauron lost the final battle was because of a random chance that his ring would be accidentally dropped into Mount Doom. The magic in the ring is at its strongest in Mount Doom, making anyone unable to have the willpower to destroy it.
It was less random chance and more Eru Ilúvatar interfering right at the end. Note that would be the second time Sauron lost due to Eru's intervention the first time being the fall of Numenor.
This was taken into account by everyone who tasked Frodo. He wasn't expected to do the impossible, he was tasked to "reach mount doom" and let destiny play it's part, hopefully. The fact Frodo reached the very end with the ring on him was a miracle by itself, but he was not expected to actually destroy the ring himself, as no one can destroy the ring willingly. When you think about it, the whole of humanity, the suicide assault on Aragorn's part against Sauron and basically everything that had happened was hinging on a "maybe something good will happen at the end". Really tells you how dire the situation was in Middle Earth.
This isn't relevant for this discussion. Tolkien was talking about his story when he said that. None of the characters in that story would have been able to do it. Or are you saying he meant that Valar couldn't destroy the ring, or that Iluvatar, the almighty God himself, would not have been able to do it? When Tolkien said that he didn't consider Iluvatar or the Valar, let alone characters from other fictional settings, because they weren't present as characters in the story
Frodo was destined to carry the One Ring to Mount Doom, because he had in abundance two fundamental Hobbit characteristics: toughness of body, mind, and spirit when pushed to the limit; and lack of desire to dominate anyone. Frodo was able to withstand the corruption of the Ring longer than any other being could, because it had so little in him to work on.
I think my favorite aspect of this fight is the sound design. The whispers of Sauron’s black speech, the ethereal roars of each character’s Magic’s, and my personal favorite, the Eldritch Screams of The One Ring’s terrible might.
Sauron's control over Numenor is even more badass than showed in the video. Numenor is basically the Atlantis of Middle Earth - in fact, Tolkien wrote it as much. Not only Numenor was a massive island-empire with a massive population, but the humans of Numenor were not just "common" humans, but rather a "superior" kind of humans, with vast more skills, knowledge and wisdom than "normal" humans, and with incredibly large lifespans too. The first king of Numenor lived for 900 years! Numenor was a vast human utopia inspired in the legends of Atlantis. So it happens that, after forging the One Ring, the elves felt it's power and removed their 3 rings in order to not be controlled by Sauron, which infuriated him and thus he launched a war against... Pretty much all of Middle Earth lol. When the Numenoreans learned of this, they sent a massive fleet to Middle Earth, with enough troops to conquer ALL of it (yes, the Numenoreans were THAT powerful). Instead of waging war against them however, Sauron SURRENDERED HIMSELF and ALLOWED HIMSELF TO BE TAKEN PRISONER into Numenor. And so, *as a prisoner* , Sauron CORRUPTED most of the Numenoreans, to the point of convincing them to make HUMAN SACRIFICES to Morgoth and eventually SERVE HIM (serve Sauron) So, rather than fighting the Numenoreans, he managed to take control of them from within, taking control of the most powerful empire on Middle Earth for his own. That's how badass Sauron is (and this feat was even greater than any of Morgoth)
And then Eru said “f**k it” and pulled Numenor in the abyss. And that still didn’t kill Sauron. Also there were several Numenorean realms left over, like Gondor, the Corsairs, and Arnor.
Well technically Morgoth has superior abilities and feats , one of the pop up descriptions during Sauron’s story explanation stated that the Vaiar have far greater abilities and feats , and Morgoth is a Vaiar and Sauron is a Maiar but the greatest among them , so the only reason Morgoth’s abilities and feats aren’t fully shown is probably because the movies and the ongoing poetry and literature stories haven’t explored more much on the Vaiar (Morgoth included) yet
Arthas at the start of the fight: In this cold north, you will only find death. Sauron at the end of the fight: There is no life in the void, only death. This is somehow poetic.
My favourite line sauron speaks in all the movies is simply, "I see you." When something that powerful has It's full attention on you, I would be shitting bricks. Loved that you included it here.
@@xaoc6084 While everyone is having a blast with the lines, I always laugh when Arthas said "Impossible!!!!" Though Sauron saying "There is no life in the void, only death". That was Godlike
You guys left out Sauron's greatest feat... ...he won a Magical Singing Contest against THE Elf Lord, Finrod Felagund. This was without the One Ring and was so great the Elves dedicated an entire poem just to that event!
@@kylemerlo9488 There is a poem, and a really awesome rendition by Clamavi de Profundis that mixes it with Galadriel’s Namarië. The full thing here: He chanted a song of wizardry, Of piercing, opening, of treachery, Revealing, uncovering, betraying. Then sudden Felagund there swaying Sang in answer a song of staying, Resisting, battling against power, Of secrets kept, strength like a tower, And trust unbroken, freedom, escape; Of changing and of shifting shape, Of snares eluded, broken traps, The prison opening, the chain that snaps. Backwards and forwards swayed their song. Reeling and foundering, as ever more strong The chanting swelled, Felagund fought, And all the magic and miht he brought Of Elvenesse into his words. Softly in the gloom they heard the birds Singing afar in Nargothrond, The sighing of the sea beyond, Beyond the western world, on sand, On sand of pearls in Elvenland. Then the gloom gathered; darkness growing In Valinor, the red blood flowing Beside the Sea, where the Noldor slew The Foamriders, and stealing drew Their white ships with their white sails From lamplit havens. The wind wails, The wolf howls. The ravens flee. The ice mutters in the mouths of the Sea. The captives sad in Angband mourn. Thunder rumbles, the fires burn - And Finrod fell before the throne.
For a while i genuinely thought that these voices were just clips from the actual va's, these are some of the most accurate sounding voice actors death battle has ever had.
Sauron's voice actor is more raspy and guttural than the voice of Sauron in the movies, which is more of a sibilant whisper. But I'm not complaining, because the Lich King fundamentally sounds like a human, while Sauron sounds like a monster.
But the thing is... he lost that ability after the destruction of Numenor. Sauron was defiantly the mightier Lord, but as impressive as his endurance is, you don't go from getting literally smitten by Capital-G God without some crippling effects.
@@KarizenMagi technically, this fight was using SOM lore as part of a composite, meaning he’d keep that Also technically it’s said he lost the ability to take a fair form, meaning it’s possible he could take other shapes. The Death Battle Blog does mention this is meant to be Sauron at his prime
@@KarizenMagi In it it's said that he's no longer able to take the shape of his fair form or his Maiar form again, it never says he's unable to shapeshift completely after the fall of Numenor.
Just reading the LotR series, you simply cant grasp how powerfull the one Ring and Sauron are. Mainly because we never see them at full ppwer. But the dread and memory of him at full power is backed into the world.
Well consider this gives us an idea how powerful he is to an extent. Lady galadrial one of the most powerful elves on middle earth with one of the ring of power and the light bulb thing. She single handedly used all her power to defeat Sauron in a match of raw power during the hobbit film in Dol Guldur fortress of Sorcery. It drained all of Galadrials power to banish Sauron away
@@robertwye9463 wouldn't say he's that weakend note the fact Sauron hid himself for a long time planning his return and attacks in the Fortress of Sorcery, Dol Guldor And not even Galadriel or anyone was able to sense it, then Sauron be able to fight Gandalf during the hobbit, where Gandalf shielded himself and got his staff burned and destroyed.
You know, people often forget because it's really easy to forget, but Tolkien's creatures, heroes, and villains are REALLY POWERFUL. He held back a great deal when writing. Or, better put, because his was a heroic, low magic setting, it's easy to underestimate them despite how well written they are.
Smaug is great for putting things into perspective. A rough estimate of his size puts him at the size of a football field (based on being apparently unable to open his mouth inside a 5' tall passage), and would lose a fight to a Balrog. Gandalf the Grey was barely able to kill a Balrog, and as the Grey he was in a weakened state. The Witch-king of Angmar was considered the equal of Gandalf the White, who was in a stronger state than when he was the Grey. Even then the Witch-king was in a weakened state because Sauron lacked the Ring, and was considered but a shadow of what he would be when Sauron is at full power. And Sauron himself eclipses even the Witch-king. Smaug (a dragon the size of a football field capable of singlehandedly destroying an entrenched Dwarven army) < Balrog = Gandalf the Grey < Gandalf the White = Witch-king of Angmar
@@calsalitra4689fun fact: if I remember correctly dragons in Tolkien's work don't even breathe fire they just straight up breath physical destruction that just so happens to look like fire
Yeah Sauron was more powerful than osse who could life 4.9 quadrillion tons of rock(numenor) out of the ocean. Tolkien himself said Gandalf was the only one who could kill him by himself using the one ring against Sauron and Gandalf could kill a balrog which is literally a lesser god that was corrupted and subsequently given more power by Morgoth which shows how strong Gandalf was. But the fact that Gandalf needs the one ring to kill Sauron shows that Sauron really is on another level.
Man I do wonder what Tolkien would think about his character winning. You know after we get past the whole Internet existing in the first place discussion. Awesome episode as usual.
This fight was a lot like Omniman vs Homelander in that I knew the winner as soon as I saw it spoiled but it was still epic as hell to watch. Sauron erupting Mount Doom to counter remorseless winter and going into eye and spirit form to counter the plague was awesome as hell.
@@TheAstropotatoe nothing in the lore gives him this ability though. Sauron can only alter his soul. The lich kings ability to summon undead doesn't use souls as anything more than fuel. Only the creation of Higher undead uses souls. Like the forsaken or death knights. Everything else is soulless including the apparitions. Meaning they failed on this part of the lore as well.
Honestly, one thing I absolutely loved was both combatants' tones. Lich King is all boasting and prideful while Sauron sounds bored and emotionless in his tone. And it fits both perfectly. Sauron has been around far longer, so he more than likely has heard hundreds (if not thousands) of the kinds of boasting foes Lich King is. I did also love specific things about their tones, like Lich King having things such as boasting because he's still a man under all that armor and Sauron sounds more bored or emotionless cause he's a god and has been around for a VERY long time. I also loved how "I serve NO ONE" sounded genuinely furious in the case of Sauron as though he was insulted (and he clearly was) that a mortal would dare give a deity like himself such a command. In fact, a replay of the fight showed me that the moment Arthas succeeded in making Sauron angry, Sauron stopped screwing around and took things way more seriously.
@@sokratikas Regardless, even Tolkienites like me can forget how Sauron in LOTR was basically on life support. Seeing him in his prime like this did much to remind me of how he came to be called "the Abhorred" (the meaning of his name in Elvish) in the first place!
@@hetalianotaku7103 ikr,the guy in the war of the last alliance single handedly pushed back the last alliance armies before Gil galad and elendil jumped in. And sauron was much weakened by the destruction of numenor by eru then
@@sokratikas While DB did bring up Sauron's survival of the sinking of Númenor, given what some people are saying in the comments, in all fairness, it could've been made clearer that he didn't walk away unscathed.
@@thanagor7150 I checked the credits and the names of the voice actors were different than the original. I don't believe that Death Battle borrows voices anymore.
@@CalamityShreds well, the other voice lines of arthas was not borrowed. But impossible was. He says the exact same thing in the exact same voice on top of icecrown when the ashbringer shatters frostmorne
@@thanagor7150 They didn't just copy and paste the audio from warcraft it was indeed their voice acting as the lich king was voiced by phillip sacramento in the credits the fact that it fooled you to think that proves how good he did it
Let's just take a moment to appreciate the fact that when not awaiting opponents at Icecrown Citadel, Arthas takes some time to shred as a Guitar Hero.
Three Rings for the Elven Kings under the Sky. Seven for the Dwarf Lords in their halls of Stone. Nine for mortal Men doomed to die. One for the dark lord on his dark throne in the land of Mordor where the shadows lie. One Ring to rule them all. One Ring to find them. One Ring to bring them all And in the darkness bind them in the land of Mordor where the shadows lie.
The visuals were PHENOMENAL this episode. You guys did so well with the effects! The models and lighting mesh perfectly, and the movements are smooth. The volcano eruption and the effects for Sauron's eye were jaw dropping as well! This episode of death battle was an absolute treat!
The scene where Sauron casually erupts a mountain and turns it into a volcane is absolutely badass. Sauron shattering Nerzhul (yes Nerzhul, not Frostmourne coz its literally one powerful spirit being destroyed by another more powerful one) was equally badass. The director did a fantastic job with this one. So many great moments and scenes!
Sauron is an Angel after all, a fallen one but still, also he was an assistant to the God/Arch Angel/Valar of Smithing so him shattering both makes some sense as he has built a ton of stuff himself
Considering that Sauron is a Celestial God and the Lich King is human it's fair to say that Sauron is the physical embodiment of holy magic while the lich king is the lich king
@@forickgrimaldus8301 he lost that right. Tolkien made it clear when both sauron and his fellow maiar fell they are not able to access what they were. but yes he had the forging skill of his ainur lord.
@@SirToaster9330 sauron is NOT that and the lich king is NOT that either. sauron is more an angel that fell or like a minor god. nothing celestial about it. and the lich king is not "just a human". he's more an entity than anything. remember he fused with nerzul and with all their power combined.
@@thanoseid2883 he still has for the most part the only ones that lost memories were the Wizards, which is why despite being both Maiar Sauron seems more powerful but from what I can tell he is still gonna lose power the longer he stays on Middle Earth.
Sauron imbued his soul and power into the ring. He had to do that because it was needed to control the other rings of power given to already powerful people. The body was just a form to move around in. If he felt like fighting, he'd make a big hulking armor. If felt like subterfuge he'd take the form of an elf, he could shape shift into whatever form best suited his needs. Sauron never thought he'd be separated from the ring, so when it was cut off his temporary body he lost the ability to manifest new physical forms.
Frodo is getting trauma from that quote. “You draw far too much attention to yourself, Mr. Underhill. I know what haunts you. You can no longer wait for the wizard, Frodo. They’re coming.”
I legit screamed "OMG, THEY DIDN'T" when Sauron turned and whispered "I see you...!" The writers really know how to incorporate the one-liners from the competing IPs in these battles. Great job, and the voice acting too, really not bad!
Lol what? The voice acting was FAR MORE than just “rEaLly nOt bAD”, the voice acting here was absolutely PHENOMENAL here for both characters! FAR more than what you’re underselling here with your last statement here completely!
@@ItsButterBean1020+ And it was damned worth it. Considering the weather conditions around My Doom and just the overall climate of Mordor in general, I imagine Icecrown being to Sauron what a tropical holiday destination would be to someone who lives in Alaska. Why not make the most of it a kill the guy who lives there so you can take over his home for when you're visiting and need a holiday house.
I’m not sure if that power of the ring would be an issue for the Lich King. The lich king isn’t Arthas anymore (arthas and ner’zhuls souls merged) The Lich King’s master is on the level of Titans canonically speaking (being powerful enough to cleave a planet in two), and the Lich King is already being dominated by more powerful magic than the one ring (magic of a being more powerful than Sauron)
@@Veldazandtea also sauron has no reason to and plenty reasons not to the first that comes to mind is that making your enemy want your only weakness is usually a bad idea
@@williamfadel4980 Litch king was Arthas. Arthas killed Nerzhul. I am sick of retcon BS. That was entirely Arthas. And he wouldnt be tempted because of Frostmourne. Problem is that Sauron is a better blackmith than any dingy nathrazeem or shadowlands titan, one look and he would know what he needs to do to break it apart....
I believe that the Eye of Acheras could tell Arthas that the ring was Sauron's weakness, but knowing that he needed to do that and being ABLE to do that are different things. Also, realistically, Arthas would NOT be willing to just toss the One Ring into Mount Doom. He already wore a cursed artifact and overpowered the evil spirit controlling it before, he would figure he could do it again, only to discover that Sauron is WAY more powerful than Ner'zhul. Long story short: even if Arthas "won" he wouldn't really win, he'd just become another Isildur.
@@talkingpie1 And unlike Galadriel, Arthas wouldn't even need to be manipulated into doing evil, he just already does it. I guess it's questionable if this counts as defeating Sauron or not...
Literally everyone that tried to destroy the ring failed. Both Isildur and Frodo were entirely overtaken by the ring before they could throw it in, Sauron holding the door open for them was an invitation to even try, and no one actually did it, it was only Golums selfishness that ended in the ring accidently falling into the lava, had he been killed earlier, Frodo would have turned on Sam and likely killed him, kept the right, and been overtaken later..
@@ZenKrio This is also a slight misconception. The movies did a poor job of portraying Isildur as he was in the books. Isildur was on his way to Rivendell to consult Elrond on what to do with the ring. He was ambushed and killed, but he knew the ring was too much for him and was taking steps to have something done about it. Frodo absolutely was taken over by the ring at the end. So, just a slight thing to point out, but the point stands.
@@blazingsandwich1234 ahh okay then, I actually didn't know that because most of what I know is movie based. I have a friend that I talk with about the books but we haven't talked much about him, mostly Sauron.
When frodo offered one ring to galadriel, she literaly Said that she, with the One Ring in her possession, would become stronger than the foundation of the earth, making their assuption on saurons power very, very modest.
@@singletona082 that is true, galadriel on her own is very powerful, i believe more powerful than sauron in the third age, without his ring(but i may be wrong) However when sauron forged the One Ring, He had to put in it power of his own, great enough to control other rings of power, while still keeping plenty for himself. And the power of the One Ring was great enough to make every one go insane about it, and to turn galadriel into destroyer of the world (if i take her by her words). My point is that the One Ring alone had to contain power much greater than they assume sauron had with the One Ring back on his hand. There is much more to why i think their assuption is off, but if i were about to write it all down, nobody would read this (:
@@petrsimik2580 I'd read it; I love the lore and all the books. I need a new copy of the hobbit because our house flooded while I was in high school and ruined my only copy.
They do say their upper power is hard to pinpoint, which is why they went with the island feats. They like to go with feats that are more concrete and precisely calculable rather than stuff that is more speculative and harder to get an exact number on.
When I first saw Balrog vs TJ Combo, it became my favorite death battle by a significant margin for a long time. I can confidently say that this death battle has significantly lowered that gap. What can I say about Sauron vs Litch King that does it justice? The analysis did an excellent job describing how much of a threat they were to their respective worlds, and somehow managed to properly convey thier stories in such a short time. The animation is top notch. Whatever shots I used to think looked a bit off now look much better to me after seeing them a few times. The impact of their weapons clashing is immense, as it should be seeing as it's a mace hitting a greatsword. In fact, impactful is probably how I would describe this entire animation. Every single detail, sound, movement carried the weight of ten elephants strapped to a black hole. Sauron taking a step or even sitting down hits harder than half the death battles ever made. The dialog is top notch, with excellent voice acting that gets across how much the combatants see each other as being beneath them. The lines are stellar too, and it makes an amazing dynamic of Arthus's grandstanding compared to Sauron's much more subtle and sinister tone- which both fit the characters. Arthus literally brags about not having a heart, and Sauron never shows emotion in the entire fight until someone dares to suggest that he belongs to someone else. Top it off with stellar effects and probably the best cinematography death battle has ever had, and you get my second favorite death battle ever.
I was really hoping it would be a full on war between their two armies with them battling in the melee. Just hoards of undead and orcs slaughtering each other while the big bosses duked it out
@@danieldickson8591 I've just been hoping for a full on war Death Battle between two fictional armies for awhile now. Like Hydra from Marvel VS Cobra from G.I. Joe
A couple things to note about Sauron as well: He is never actually stated to wield a weapon whatsoever, not even the mace the movie had him use. Rather, Sauron is described as fighting, and killing, with his "bare hands"! Which is described as being blackened and searingly hot! Man slaughtered some of the greatest heroes to ever live with his HANDS. Also, his greatest weapon is actually his ability to convince dang near anybody of dang near anything. He convinced the Valar ( essentially gods ) that he wasnt a bad guy really after genociding millions of people for thousands of years. he convinced the Numenoreans that actually they should betray Eru, he convinced the elves that they should make the rings. he even convinced a man that if he only told him the whereabouts of his friend that Sauron would let him see his family. Only to promptly execute the man afterwards.
It's geniunely startling how easily the Internet breeds misinformation and delusion, at times, even for me. No, none of this is really true. Sauron is never really described in any real detail AT ALL, especially in his fight against the -adventuring party- Last Alliance; we know he burned Gil-Galad, but that doesn't inherently mean he literally was so monumentally stupid as to go out to fight 3-5 legendary heroes with NO WEAPON. He didn't 'convince' the Valar of anything, and the idea that he could or did legitimately fool them is so absurdly divorced from the actual source material as to be comical.
@@papapalps2415just to reiterate, i do agree that misinformation spreads quite fast, especially by those that sound the surest, and am therefore glad that of my six or so statements of Sauron's doings, only two seemed to warrant pointing out, and only one was truly flawed while the other is strictly a point of interpretation. I see Sauron killing the greatest Heroes of the time, breaking the sword Anduril, and almost winning a monumental battle with only his Hands, hands blackened with soot and blazing hot like that of a furnace, as utterly terrifying and fantastical. While i disagree that Sauron must have had a weapon, if that is how you interpret him then who am i to disagree with your imaginings of a made up character. "You are unarmed?" "Always." "You stand alone." "Often." " you're the one who should be afraid." "Never." -Doctor Who.
@@andylabardy242 basically when the Lich King was first put into the MMO World of Warcraft, he was SUPER hard to beat. He was nerfed and now he’s a pushover
@@andylabardy242 IDK. Either it’s something to do with balancing of the raid where you fight the Lich King or the retcons & general shortchanging Arthas went through in Shadowlands (WoW’s most recently released expansion). IDK, I could never get into WoW. Especially after I got into Final Fantasy XIV.
@@NN010 Ohhhhhh............Ok then. In any case, seems like Sauron got lucky thanks to LK's nerf or whatever. Either way, I appreciate both U & the OG poster's answers. Also, as I always tell myself: DB is simply all just entertainment!! Plain & simple!!!! Either way, Thanks alot dear folks!!
I know it's an unpopular opinion, but the only thing I liked about that show was the actor of sauran. He was the only character who actually had a character development unlike Galadriel and all others
Arthas does whisper loudly to you as you're doing the Shadowmourne quests but dang...forget farming for Shadowmourne, I want to get the One Ring now on my characters on WoW
Post analysis side notes: 19:15 Ner'zhul performed a spell that destroyed a planet, but it required preparation, special items, and a group of followers. Also, the destruction of Draenor was a chain reaction of the spell going haywire over time, making it impossible to directly scale the Lich King to Ner'zhul. 19:54 An unnamed Eredar has destroyed the surface of a planet, but cannot scale to the Lich King as Eredar vary in power. Similarly, special Maiar have moved the sun & moon, but it is unclear how they compare to Sauron. Scaling both generously, Sauron would still be more powerful. 20:38 When compared to the Balrogs & Illidan, Sauron & the Lich King could both reach high hypersonic speeds of around Mach 30.
I don’t think the shattering of frostmourne is realistic. In-game it took the core of the Naaru (which is what is part of Ashbringer) to shatter it. Frostmourne isn’t just a steel weapon and lorewise was shattered by the core of something that powers intergalactic spaceships
@@williamfadel4980 That's something that bothered me as well. They treat Frostmourne as a mere magical weapon, not a literaly soul-cleaving hellblade that was broken because it was struck with a blow that had about as much of it's cosmological polar opposite as mortally possible. The strongest Paladin of the time, swinging a blade that uses the heart of a Naaru as it's core and it's all powered by the Light. And DB is just like "lol, Sauron hit it really hard so it broke"
Yeah I think they honestly just leaned hard on sauron because he has more history, but imo this would be a deadlocked fight that would last forever because sauron wouldn't be able to logically break frostmourn like they showed and he would just keep rebuilding his body with lk having no real way to kill move him. Would've been a cooler ending also for them to fight for eternity fire and ice.
@@Servellion yea but remember sauron has a ring that literaly gives your whatever you want and he's top strength the balrog would lose to him hard gandalf would lose to him without the ring he's got the power and he's weilding a mace in a body that is a literal war machine he's about as well placed as anyone to pull it off
@@marley7868it's not as much a strength or power thing as it is a nature of magic thing. Frostmourne will only break by the most holy of powers the same power of saurons enemies. So to break half of the litch king because well reasons is a little ridiculous. It's like trying to torture a full blown masochist, yeah you could but how much would you really get out of him if you beat a person who enjoys getting beaten.
Wiz: "The Lich King seemed unstoppable." Boomstick: "Only one thing can take him down... A 25 man raid team of the best nerds WoW has to offer!" Ah... The memories. Good times.
The bane of EVERY completely unstoppable divine/cosmic/abstract entity with casual control over the very forces of existence and interdimensional magic.
Except he was not capable of any of that. Sauron was a crafter and manipulator, and in the legendarium he himself lost every fight he was in. The only true part here is his shapeshifting, but he lost that ability during the fall of numeanor. Which was long before he crafted the ring. Before the fall of numeanor he was more powerful then when the ring was around.
@@greatbrae302 he killed two very powerful and strong kings at the same time in his second weakest form, the only reason he lost the Haun fight was cause he was trick/blinded and Haun took the opportunity to bite his neck. In the first age man walked in to a fortress filled with all types of warriors and made them run in complete fear or died from shock. In his wolf form it was so terrifying that the women who put morgoth to sleep couldn't stand the sight of sauron.
Not just to “flex” but to help him see. It actually DID benefit Sauron from the heat of the volcano blowing away the snow that the lich king had covering around him, that's why he said "I see you". Which was MORE than just a callback line.
That’s how I felt for the first episode of season 9 part 2. I had no real emotional connection to either, and neither was my preferred matchup for them, plus some ass hat spoiled it.
What I enjoy most is the multiple levels on which this fight takes place. Each of these monsters wields a host of incredible powers, and the ways they attacked and countered each other kept the flow of battle shifting constantly between them.
Goddamn, this entire fight was awesome. From the contrast of fire and ice, to the sheer power behind all their attacks, to Sauron sitting on the throne.
Fire vs ice has already been done before ex: zuko vs todoroki also I have an idea for the next battle after deku vs Asta how about Steve (Minecraft) vs Edward Elric (full metal alchemist)
@@astinkytaco tbf. Todoroki had both fire AND ice. It wasn't just pure fire vs ice like this one. Also that match up depends VERY heavily.if it's creative mode steve then yeah steve wins(I doubt they would use creative mode though) but if it's lore accurate steve then Steve is getting slammed
Wait, are we following the canon from the books or from the films? Because iirc, Gimli actually trying to destroy the ring comes from the movies (a visual way to show why it's not destroyed by any "normal" means), while Gollum destroying the ring by accident, comes from the books (in the film, it drops to the lava after Frodo and Gollum fight for it).
The one ring only fell in because it betrayed itself. While succumbing to the one ring’s power, Frodo told Gollum “Begone and trouble me no more. If you touch me ever again you shall be cast yourself into the fire of doom” Gollum is entirely enslaved to the ring’s will, and in so taking the ring and touching Frodo, he is forced to it’s own will, and bound to cast himself into the magma below. Quite simply, no one, mortal or otherwise, can resist the power of the One Ring.
He may have lost in the end, but he put up a great fight against one of the biggest villains in all of fiction, it was still one of the closest fights of a season that was mostly incredibly close fights, and he had the best line of "You will find NOTHING THERE!" GG Lich King, well done.
This was not even close cause they hyped and highballed sauron thus making it biased in his favor instantly and just handing him an instant win button.
honestly they ignored in the factor one of the LK powers even though they mentioned it in the backstory. ANY attack the LK lands also does damage to the soul. thus the ring is now not the only way to kill sauron. the LK is super effective against sauron and any damage he does is permant and actual damage. and im going to be honest comparing the island raising feat is on the low scale of the feats they could have compared him to since there have been significantly stronger things that he has bested
I will say, as a massive Tolkien fan myself, this was a truly impressive representation of Sauron(at least in the 'research' section!). Keeping the references to games and movies to a minimum, and showing off not only the power of Tolkien's most impactful villain, but also perfectly summarizing why he would never have expected his own downfall. Now to see if the battle itself honours Gorthaur the Cruel! ...Well that was a hell of a spectacle! The werewolf form getting a shot was wonderful. Well done, guys. Well done.
Quick question if you don’t mind my asking, with Sauron this powerful, how was he defeated in the first place? Was it really just some normal dude cutting him with a sword or was more at work that wasn’t shown in the films?
@@tristancummings5925 I think the question is why was Sauron always the “all seeing eye” the entire trilogy, how did he get stuck like that (at least for most of the movies anyway)?
@@cubaj8723 Sauran faced in that battle some of the most powerfull elves and humans who also carried powerfull enchanted weapons (and the elves and humans of that time were mighty indeed). He also hadnt recoverd (and never would) from the damage he received when eru illuvatar destroyed Numenor. And he still almost won.
I was surprised that you guys didn’t mention that when Sauron went by Gorthaur, he was more than just a shapeshifter. His first title was The Necromancer and he raised corpses and hung out with vampires and werewolves on an island with a tower on it.
It definitely would have seemed very fitting wouldn't it. I've always felt this battle really exemplifiesld the "shadow and flame" vs the "cold dark" takes on the evil overlord caricature - both if which I've always really liked. Weird fact though, Morgoth was actually more of a cold dark figure than one of shadow and flame. The biggest difference being it was more like the cold of the void rather than snow and ice etc. Just pure darkness with no light or warmth.
I’d also note, this gives Sauron his canon feats of soul manipulation Werewolves are normal wolves imbued with dark spirits, there’s also the Barrow Wights which are the same iirc
What is the worst way to loose : -getting his ring to fall in lava by accident during a fight between 2 hobbits -getting rekt by 25 nerds and a paladin with a shiny sword You decide
I think Sauron's defeat, because he doesn't even get a chance to fight back against his demise. Made worse by how preventable his defeat would have been if Gollum wasn't there or if he didn't fall off the cliff.
Sauron closing his hand and erupting the mountains nearby, and the instantaneous temperature change evaporating all the snow on the other peaks really set the tone for how out of his depths The Lich King was. 2 minutes into the fight and Sauron has turned the Lich King's resting place into Mount Doom.
The lines of dialogue in this are worth it alone. Sauron takes this easy though IMO. He has no weakness besides his own hubris when he doesnt perceive someone as a threat. He is basically a god and the embodiment of pure evil. The ending cinematic of him melting the ice throne is so (ironically) cold.
To be fair, lorewise the Lich King would rank roughly equal to Sauron in terms of ‘god-likeness’ (not power) Lich King’s master ranks equal to titans (who ordered the universe, and are able to cleave planets in half). Lich King is known as the ‘god of death’ by many races ingame The relationship between the Lich King and the Jailor would be akin to Sauron / Melkor
Recent lore reveals about Frostmourne show that it was actually much more than just a soul-eating hellblade that gets stronger with every soul it consumes, it's a literal key to the land of the Dead as I understand it. It was only shattered by Fordring because he was wielding a weapon that was it's literal polar opposite. As for L.K. himself, well he is described as being an "entity that holds within it, the consciousness of the most cunning, intelligent, and ruthless individuals to ever exist." Bear in mind also the simple fact that like Sauron, the only reason we beat the Lich King was because of his arrogance. He humored a fight. Purposely fought below 100% because he wanted to bring out the best in the group fighting him so they'd make more powerful servants. The entire Lich King fight in ICC is basically the party being toyed with by him for a bit, before he decides to say "screw it," casually plants frostmourne into the ground, and blasts them all dead. The only thing that saves them is he forgot about Tirion long enough for him to break free and take him by surprise before using mass resurrection on the raid group after shattering Frostmourne. I think this fight is actually a lot more evenly matched than they made it.
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Whats ironic is that the Lich King had less chance of winning against Sauron than a normal human simply because of Sauron viewing him as an actual potential threat. Sauron lost his ring simply for his hubris in how little he saw in man.
…Oh wow, I didn’t realize how obvious THAT part was. Once Sauron’s Eye is upon you, your days-nay, your MINUTES-are numbered.
“I S~E~E Y~O~U”
That tavern scene from the rainstorm river travel to the Ringwraiths all in all scare us pantsless…but the eye during the tavern bar invisible moment is truly frightening
His hubris wasn't entirely misplaced either. He literally left the door to Mt Doom open because he figured that anyone getting close to dropping the ring in would succumb to it's will, and he was entirely right, Frodo was unwilling to throw the ring into the mountain, it was Golum biting it off his finger that ended Sauron. IF they hadn't kept Golum alive, they would have failed.
But Isildur wasn't just ANY human.. He was a Numenor.
Isildur: Leroy Jenkins!
Lich King: You will serve me!
Sauron: I serve no one!
Morgoth: 👁👁
Sauron: 👀
To be fair, Morgoth has been gone for a long time.
to be fair too, Sauron hated Morgoth as Morgoth wanted to destroy everything. Sauron just wanted to bring it all to heel. Its speculated Sauron would have backstabbed Morgoth the moment he got the chance.
@@t5hammer871 Yes he would have and gotten quickly properly and completely spanked back down to size lol. It took a Host from Valinor and a few Valar to beat him No way Sauron would have been successful but he absolutely would have tried.
@@t5hammer871 Morgoth was doing the Destruction playthrough while Sauron the Domination (Overlord 2 reference)
Zovaal: 😏
“I’ll tear out your heart.”
“You will find nothing there.”
“You serve me now.”
“I serve no one.”
These lines are so badass and they go so hard.
16:45 *"I'll tear out your heart"
@@brauljo 18:20 "IMPOSSIBLE!!!!"
@@simounobrien9096 "there is no life in the void, ONLY DEATH"
"I serve no one!"
Me: What about Melkor?
"Well yeah except him. But he's currently trapped in the void"
@@556deltawolf So, at this moment, I serve NO ONE
i like how sauron is aiming for frostmorune the entire time, hes all too familiar with how this op magical relic that contains a good chunk of your soul thing works
I love that moment when it breaks the Eye covers the screen. Like his power is so total that even the camera can’t see anything else.
@@rustkarlSuch a fantastic choice cinematography-wise.
Arthas should of been cutting fingers, what he gets
@@m16dude967 "Have". Not "of".
Nah Sauron just hates swords :P
That second to last exchange between them was actually epic tbh
Sauron: "I will rip out your *heart* "
Arthas: "You will find *nothing there* "
Arthas: probably should have gone for the he
Sauron:that joke stop being funny years ago
Maybe a small reference to omni man vs homelander.
Better exchange than anything in Rings of Power.
@@heyguysxd Actually it's a reference to a questline that reveals Arthas literally tore out his heart and last vestiges of his humanity only to then cast it into a pit.
Gave me chills when at that moment, Emperor Palpatine somehow returned and proclaimed "And I am all the Senate!"
Sauron only lost because of multiple interventions of God himself. And Sauron was right that nobody would actually want to destroy the ring. Tolkien has said that it's literally impossible to willingly destroy it. That's why in the books, Gollum accidentally destroyed it by slipping into the fire and in the movies falling in fighting over it with Frodo. In both versions, the ring had to be unintentionally destroyed.
It wasn't even an accident. Tolkien's letters explicitly state Gollum falling was also an act of God. Eru wanted to make certain Sauron lost.
The fact that Eru NEVER intervened against Morgoth but had to intervene MULTIPLE times against Sauron says a lot to how much more dangerous a threat Sauron was due to him being way smarter than Morgoth about how to use his power most effectively.
@@LordSiravant True, Morgoth from what I read was basically an angry teenager rebelling against his parents.
It’s rather poetic that the symbol of conquest and irresistible power would be its own undoing
@@LordSiravant Watch Fellowship again and compare the opening scene - a huge army of elves and men taking Sauron down all on their own - and compare it to the present day. By the time of the War of the Ring, everyone was isolated from each other, lineages were either slowly circling the drain or seemingly gone for good, great heroes were gone, and one of God's angels turned traitor in a desperate grab for power. God had to intervene against Sauron not because Sauron was stronger, but because the good guys were weaker.
@@dysn3961 I think that's what Token's ultimate message with Lord of the Rings was; not necessarily that good always vanquishes evil, but that evil, by its very nature, will ultimately destroy itself.
Sauron about to get more screen time than in the entire franchise
Man boutta get 4 minutes thats a recored!
Cmon, he at least had 20 minutes in the shadow of mordor games
@@mattschemer4076 lol sure I guess.
Man had more time in the books, the movies made him more of a supernatural presence. He still has a physical presence in the lord of the rings books.
@@fokushigaru1310 No he does not. The exact opposite is true. Sauron has more in person scenes in the movies than he does in the books
it's a shame LK lost but
"I'll tear out your heart!"
"YOU WILL FIND NOTHING THERE!"
was the coldest line in history
Ha! Cold pun.
@@multiverse_media2023 you know it
All is meaningless against the true Dark Lord.
Well, he ended up with nothing in the end though right?
"IMPOSSIBLE!!!!"
Heh it was ice cold
"Now... I'll tear out your heart!"
"You will find *nothing* _there!"_
"You serve _me_ now..."
_"I serve _*_no one!"_*
"Witness the prophecy of your doom!"
"You speak nothing but _lies!"_
Whoever did the dialogue on this one deserves a goddamn raise.
Facts especially the “I serve no one”.
@@killerbean4328
Morgoth?
@@multiverse_media2023 I think that Sauron, as the Dark Lord would think he is the Supreme Being. It makes sense for him to say "I serve no one"
@@killerbean4328 that’s actually a line from Shadow of War
“ *IMPOSSIBLE!* “
“There is no life in the void.”
I like how causing the mountain to erupt did nothing to actually benefit Sauron, he was just being extra
Not true, Arthas was calling a blizzard to disorient his foe and the eruption basically canceled it.
....but it was incredibly extra, regardless of benefits.
Was so expecting balrog to battle out the frost wyrm(wurm?) But totally dumb and forgot balrog isnt under the forces of Sauron
@@Necro_fury They were when he was working for Morgoth. Sauron was the general and the Balrogs his elite soldiers.
It was to counter ice and snow.
"Presentation!" -Megamind
So basically the only reason Sauron lost any power was because he basically soloed Angels, God, and all of Middle Earth and the only way he could keep fighting to the ends of time was to slowly sacrifice parts of himself to continue the battle. What a monster.
Edit: its been while and reading the comments imma have to explain this reasoning. Sauron is not technically all powerful, he just happens to be so cunning and ruthless that he can get away with trolling pretty much everybody. Just how Palpatine is debated to be either "not that powerful" or "actually the most powerful" sith. What made these characters brutal wasn't their sheer strength (although they had plenty to achieve their means) it was how easily they could manipulate and worm their way out of nearly any situation. These types of villians throw down to prove a point or to make the heroes THINK they entered the final battle. Just for the villain to steal something incredibly valuable for an even larger plan when they aren't looking. If you are 200lbs of muscle do you really need to double that to defeat Mike Tyson? No. Technically all you need is 200$ at a gun store and you've ended the life of the most powerful boxer the world have ever seen. Thats Sauron. He fights to prove a point and to achieve a greater goal. He didnt need to defeat God 1v1, he just needed to distract him while he got away with he wanted
yeah, he's bascially lucifer
Spoilers!
More fearsome than Satan himself!
@@graveyardgary4482 for Lord of the Rings? The series that's been out for 69 years now?
Edit: Well this went over my head. Add me on r/wooosh
@@graveyardgary4482 you’ve had nearly 100 years to read Tolkiens books.
What I like about Tolkien is that his idea of power and magic isn’t fireballs and lighting, it’s the subtle manipulation of probability, words turning into into truth as they will it so and the literal manipulation of fate and destiny itself. A lot less flashy at first glance but so much more deep, meaningful and powerful the longer you think about it.
I mean sure...it's also the flashy stuff too. Like when Sauron makes himself a ten foot tall armored behemoth with a giant mace to crush dozens of knights at once. And Balrogs are basically the definition of "flashy power".
Sauron never crushed dozens of knights at once in the books... but he DID grab an elven lord (Gil-Galid) by the neck, hoist him into the air, and immolate the poor bastard from the inside out. WAY cooler than fireballs or lightning IMHO.
Also, the Balrog's worst power in the books was the fear they projected; they pretty much turned you into a whimpering mess just be being in the same room with you.
Personally, I like it when magic can do both.
Like Mage The Awakening, where one of the more dangerous mage types specialize in manipulating Time and Fate
@@andreasottohansen7338im not familiar with Sauron. Tolkien and sauro are the same?
@@joselitopuzon5620 Tolkien is the author
Sauron melting the frozen throne just by sitting on it is honestly kinda raw
Well considering how he could burn people through touch alone (e.g Gil-galad), it would make sense.
This entire fight is raw
I would say it's quite cooked
What, we're bringing the raw word meaning cool back or something?
@@FeiFongWang we still say raw in the South.
Well Sauron actually was right about his power being irresistible in the end, the One Ring was only destroyed by accident because of two people fighting over it.
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I assume they didn't make that distinction because they didn't want to unnecessarily spoil the movies
Not even an accident. It was a literal intervention of god. One of the only times Eru Illuvitar meddle with Middle Earth
Not only that gollum slipped because eru himself looked down and made him slip
maybe if Frodo didn't sway closer to the dark side because of Gollum
The ring doesn't make the wearer invisible, it puts them in a spiritual plane. That's why when Frodo wore the ring, he saw the Wraiths in their spirit form, and why when Sauron wears the ring, he isn't invisible, because he lives on both planes.
So the ring is basically useless for anyone else then Sauron? Except if you want to be invisible
I've heard multiple different descriptions of what's happening, but the most consistent one is that the ring amplifies ones natural abilities, while also seducing them to it's will.
But it STILL does turn you invisible to the people around them as they can't see you at all, regradless of the ACTUAL implications so they weren't wrong to say that.
@@god6384 It has many other abilities,but Frodo wasn't strong enough to use them. He was warned not to try as that would destroy him.
@Shanghis Kahn Exactly what I am saying as well! He's just being extra here.
Honestly, Big Bad VS Big Bad is one of my favorite types of matchups, if only because they spend the entire battle throwing awesome one-liners at each other trying to win a game of one-upmanship
That’s basically what Galactus versus Unicron ended up being and it was awesome
"Ohohoho, I love it when they monologue back"
oh yeah every time they do a match up like this is ends up with some of the best lines. Like Gannon vs Dracula, Aizen vs Madara, and Goku Black vs Reverse Flash are peak for this lol
I love how Sauron’s breakdown is presented in such a Tolkien-esque way, very fitting
Also the Black Speech whispering is just a really nice touch
Black Speech. The wicked language tongue of Mordor itself.
And the use of a Tolkien quote at the end was just the icing on the cake.
The Litch King's response of "YOU WILL FIND NOTHING THERE!" was absolutely badass.
Very 2000s edge. But also accurate!
*Lich
@@MrUnimportant fits alot
Well, he ended up with "Nothing" in the end XD!!!
@@simounobrien9096 “There is no life in the void. Only… death”
RING POWER!!!
I like how in more recent Death Battles, they go for more character-driven deaths rather than gory spectacles. Sauron sucking out the Lich King's soul before dumping his corpse on the ground and then taking his throne feels truer to his malicious character than some Mortal Kombat demise.
not just the Lich King's soul, but EVERY SOUL that the Lich King took too, and that's a completely believable move for a being like Sauron
But doesn't that then make Sauron the Lich King?...
@@borby4584 Oh my goodness. I didn't freaking realize that. Somehow that DOES make it feel much more like something Sauron would do.
@@allanbaker3958 Not technicaly. He has the Lich King powers, but is not the Lich King. From what I understand, the Lich King is the fusion of Ner'Zhul (The souls trapped in the armor) and the wearer of the armor. If there is no fusion, then there is no Lich King.
Technically, of course. Since Sauron has the powers of Lich King, he acts as a Lich King. That is what I believe, knowing a bit about the lore of LK.
@@allanbaker3958 I mean, the Witch-king of Angmar and all the Nazguls are technically lichs themselves, so Sauron was technically the king of the Liches.
Sauron didn't want to destroy all life, that was Morgoth. Sauron was bent towards dominating all life, or destroying what resisted.
he wanted order... sadly, in the most direct way possible....
@@abhabh6896Melkor and his strength was but his means. Unfortunately, like all genius’s, he sure made a miscalculation.
@@abhabh6896 From Saruon's perspective, he didn't see himself as evil. But as someone who must make the difficult choice to bring order and peace to middle-earth. For everyone else though, they saw it as pure tyranny.
@@tommoore2012 yep Sauron was woke basically
Xffttto.
The fact that Sauron literally had no cons in the aftermath analysis is honestly badass. Especially considering that he is the ONLY combatant to have that at this time.
Fun thing, that even IF Arthas managed, somehow, to remove Ring from Sauron hand... he'd just put it on his own hand and, whelp, this will be another win for Sauron.
@@Theeight8b yeah sauron would probably just possess him.
@@jacobweatherford4696+
I feel like this is a bit of an exaggeration and I actually think that Arthas definitely could fight off Saurnon taking over his mind directly. What I think would be more likely is that Arthas takes the Ring, leaving a Sauron's spirit to reconstitute over like 5000 years and in that time, the Ring is building upits influence over Arthas subtly to thebpoint he always has it near or on him and is overly protective of it. When Sauron re-announces himself, the Ring helps drive Arthas into a stat where he's overly paranoid and protective and sets about acting to prevent Sauron ever getting the Ring back and then abandoning Arthas at a pivotal moment, leaving him in a disadvantageous position meanwhile having Sauron end up getting the Ring back and either using it's influence to finally get past Arthas' defenses or, more likely to eventually defeat Arthas in battle, strip him of his own artefacts and now t of his power, then break and enslave him while he's weakened, analyse and unlock the secrets of all of Arthas magic and his artefacts before taking all the power and knew magical techniques he can before ultimately giving Arthas' back his stuff and installing him as his new right had and giving him command of the Nazgul. Hell, he might even force a Ring on Arthas in his weakened state and completely bind him to his will that way. Perhaps he'd even manage to discover how to pull souls out of Frostmourne and bind the soul or Arthas himself. The Sky's the limit here.
@@jacobweatherford4696 that's not how the ring works at all. If so then any of the people who wore it would ha e become him. He needed to right to complete his soul.
@@NeoNightwing729 Every second Arthas wears the ring he becomes more and more a slave to it. It's an inevitable end.
"I will rip out your heart"
"You will find nothing there!"
Such a metal line.
Arthas: “You serve me now”
Sauron: “I serve no one!”
This fight is so badass it’s like taking lessons how to be a G
Arthas saying “you’ll find nothing there” is sick too
Gotta respect that Sauron is the second and weaker Dark Lord of Middle Earth, but only the deep lore fans know Malgor's name.
Melkor is Saurons boss. His title is He Who Arises in Might. Gets named Morgoth by the elves which means The Black Enemy for stealing the silmarils and killing the two trees.
Has a song battle with the other Ainur angels effectively. Bringing evil into the world. But Eru Illuvitar tells him that all of his effort shall in the end make the music of the Valar more beautiful and Ultimately serve his will
Sauron later has a similar rap battle with Fingon and slays him. IIRC Fingon was the High King of the Noldor at this point, noldor being high elves
A complete reference to Sauron countering Celebrimbor and Eltariel attempting to Dominate him in Shadow of War. You cannot mind control a Maiar.
As Shelob in the same game said, the only way Celebrimbor would have won is if Talion was with him instead of Eltariel. Talions ferocity and wish for control would have overpowered Sauron without the Ring.
"Settra does not serve!" vibe
The part where Sauron slowly sits on the throne will the screen begins to turn red is so clean
And as his stolen throne begins to melt.
From the intense heat.
Of the severe burn…
Of the cook that IS SAURON!!!
After seeing Sauron, I think I finally understand LOTR fans.
A story is only as good as its villain. Sauron is a good villain because he is sinister, extremely powerful, has clear motives, and very specific weaknesses. Mainly, he is only defeated by his own hubris.
@@lightningwight4154 It's honestly possible in the Trilogy that he could have even succeeded since Frodo wouldn't have thrown the ring into the volcano and he would have possibly killed off the Fellowship with his forces while he could have had his orcs kill sam and frodo and reclaim the ring. The only reason why he didn't win was cuz of Gollum's interference.
@@Crasheschick During the original trilogy, Sauron is mostly just a ghost and still on the very edge of absolute global conquest. They even said whenever Gondor caught the Hobbits that "all that needs to happen is for Faramir to merely extend his hand, and take the ring. Then the world of man will fall".
@@lightningwight4154 yeah sauron didn't really need to be in his physical form he knew that no man was going to be able to throw it in n even no other species would either.
Lord of the Rings is a masterpiece that stands the test of time beautifully. The movies, games, and other stuff are only the cliff notes of the content in the books, and even the books themselves are just a piece of the incredible stories that happened in Tolkien's world. If you can handle some heavy reading, they are absolutely still worth a try.
Okay, but that “You will find nothing there!” In response to Sauron’s “Now, I will tear out your heart.” was a raw as Hell line.
Plus it's literally true. Arthas tore out his own heart because he saw it as a weakness.
and is unironically true... Arthas tore out his own H E A R T and threw it under Icecrown Citadel.
@@Fey_Yoshida Oi, don't copy me bro. I got here first.
@@arstulex get a life kid
Yeah. I was rooting for Sauron, but that was awesome
Little do people know, when Sauron said “i shall claim what is mine” he probably meant finally getting the reins of invincible to drop. Mans been probably raiding ICC for damn near a year by now
If its invisible, why can I still see it?
@@leonseuropeanislandadventu7398 invincible not invisible.
@@leonseuropeanislandadventu7398, r/woosh
@@jakariashafin8685 Duh dude, that's just how people used to troll about the mount back in the day in World chat. Just a small joke to those who know.
@@leonseuropeanislandadventu7398 oh ok.
I'd like to add that Tolkien himself said the ring was literally impossible to destroy willingly. The whole reason Sauron lost the final battle was because of a random chance that his ring would be accidentally dropped into Mount Doom. The magic in the ring is at its strongest in Mount Doom, making anyone unable to have the willpower to destroy it.
It was less random chance and more Eru Ilúvatar interfering right at the end. Note that would be the second time Sauron lost due to Eru's intervention the first time being the fall of Numenor.
Gollum managed to get the Ring back from Frodo, but when he was happily dancing over the ledge, Eru gave him a slight push.
This was taken into account by everyone who tasked Frodo. He wasn't expected to do the impossible, he was tasked to "reach mount doom" and let destiny play it's part, hopefully. The fact Frodo reached the very end with the ring on him was a miracle by itself, but he was not expected to actually destroy the ring himself, as no one can destroy the ring willingly.
When you think about it, the whole of humanity, the suicide assault on Aragorn's part against Sauron and basically everything that had happened was hinging on a "maybe something good will happen at the end". Really tells you how dire the situation was in Middle Earth.
This isn't relevant for this discussion. Tolkien was talking about his story when he said that. None of the characters in that story would have been able to do it. Or are you saying he meant that Valar couldn't destroy the ring, or that Iluvatar, the almighty God himself, would not have been able to do it?
When Tolkien said that he didn't consider Iluvatar or the Valar, let alone characters from other fictional settings, because they weren't present as characters in the story
Frodo was destined to carry the One Ring to Mount Doom, because he had in abundance two fundamental Hobbit characteristics: toughness of body, mind, and spirit when pushed to the limit; and lack of desire to dominate anyone. Frodo was able to withstand the corruption of the Ring longer than any other being could, because it had so little in him to work on.
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0:09 Episode begins
0:35 Sauron
8:45 Arthas Menethil, The Lich King
15:30 DEATH BATTLE!
18:49 Result
21:21 Next episode preview
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I think my favorite aspect of this fight is the sound design. The whispers of Sauron’s black speech, the ethereal roars of each character’s Magic’s, and my personal favorite, the Eldritch Screams of The One Ring’s terrible might.
Same
Sauron's control over Numenor is even more badass than showed in the video.
Numenor is basically the Atlantis of Middle Earth - in fact, Tolkien wrote it as much.
Not only Numenor was a massive island-empire with a massive population, but the humans of Numenor were not just "common" humans, but rather a "superior" kind of humans, with vast more skills, knowledge and wisdom than "normal" humans, and with incredibly large lifespans too. The first king of Numenor lived for 900 years!
Numenor was a vast human utopia inspired in the legends of Atlantis.
So it happens that, after forging the One Ring, the elves felt it's power and removed their 3 rings in order to not be controlled by Sauron, which infuriated him and thus he launched a war against... Pretty much all of Middle Earth lol.
When the Numenoreans learned of this, they sent a massive fleet to Middle Earth, with enough troops to conquer ALL of it (yes, the Numenoreans were THAT powerful).
Instead of waging war against them however, Sauron SURRENDERED HIMSELF and ALLOWED HIMSELF TO BE TAKEN PRISONER into Numenor.
And so, *as a prisoner* , Sauron CORRUPTED most of the Numenoreans, to the point of convincing them to make HUMAN SACRIFICES to Morgoth and eventually SERVE HIM (serve Sauron)
So, rather than fighting the Numenoreans, he managed to take control of them from within, taking control of the most powerful empire on Middle Earth for his own.
That's how badass Sauron is (and this feat was even greater than any of Morgoth)
And then Eru said “f**k it” and pulled Numenor in the abyss. And that still didn’t kill Sauron. Also there were several Numenorean realms left over, like Gondor, the Corsairs, and Arnor.
@@acolyte06312
And his minions the Witch King destroyed Anor and Sauron corrupted the Umbat Dark Numenorian Corsairs into his service... Again!
@@utubefuku7132 Yeah he is one persistent bastard
Well technically Morgoth has superior abilities and feats , one of the pop up descriptions during Sauron’s story explanation stated that the Vaiar have far greater abilities and feats , and Morgoth is a Vaiar and Sauron is a Maiar but the greatest among them , so the only reason Morgoth’s abilities and feats aren’t fully shown is probably because the movies and the ongoing poetry and literature stories haven’t explored more much on the Vaiar (Morgoth included) yet
I think melkor destroying the two lamps and the two trees were greater feats
Arthas at the start of the fight: In this cold north, you will only find death.
Sauron at the end of the fight: There is no life in the void, only death.
This is somehow poetic.
Sauron: there is no life in the void, only death
Melkor: *I mean, you're not wrong*
@@tanyatheendergirl8987The Jailer: Amateurs
Meanwhile, the entity of void and death living next door:
Yogg'Saron: "I LIKE THIS GUY!"
My favourite line sauron speaks in all the movies is simply, "I see you." When something that powerful has It's full attention on you, I would be shitting bricks.
Loved that you included it here.
I had instant flashbacks to Frodo seeing the Eye for the first time.
@@knightmare3197 Damn!!! I Thought I Was The Only One🤩🤩🤩
It made it more badass when he says that after flexing his powers to make a volcano erupt
"I'll tear out your heart"
"You'll find nothing, there"
Has got to be the most badass line, of all time.
One of*
This is more badass:
"There is no life in the void, only death."
What about this line?
"You serve me now!"
"I serve no one!"
This is another good one
“Your father dabbled in powers beyond reckoning…where is he now?”
@@xaoc6084 While everyone is having a blast with the lines, I always laugh when Arthas said "Impossible!!!!"
Though Sauron saying "There is no life in the void, only death". That was Godlike
"I'll tear your heart out!"
"You'll find nothing there!" That went hard as hell
YUp cause he rip out his heart to remove that trace of arthas and you’ll get a questline that you will find his heart
Sauron once again trying to be edgy even tho he use to have a wife apprantly
@@gameuniverse5973 she took the kids and that pushed him over the edge lmao
@@AriesZero Morgoth was his rebound
Sauron looked at Arthas and said "You are strong, child... but I am beyond strength."
Stop.
@@papapalps2415It’s true Sauron is way beyond the lich King. A match fairer Fight would be the Witch King
@@aranha6285 He isn't.
I’m sure he would’ve made for a fine Nazgûl.
@@papapalps2415cope
Sauron sitting on Lich King's Throne after lighting his entire kingdom on fire went so hard.
Litch king got his swag and throne taken
That's totally something Sauron would do.
I can imagine the entire Northrend becoming an entire raid instance now called Morerend.
@@gameuniverse5973 no drip, no kingdom, and probably no maidens either.
That was absolutely badass when he froze the lich kings former throne melting the ice, a clean detail I will not forget
You guys left out Sauron's greatest feat...
...he won a Magical Singing Contest against THE Elf Lord, Finrod Felagund. This was without the One Ring and was so great the Elves dedicated an entire poem just to that event!
It's mentioned in the feats, actually. It states Finrod is one of the guys Sauron defeated. I didn't know it was a poem though.
There’s been a few of “THE Elf Lord”s
Fingolfin, Feanor, Elrond, Earendil…
@@kylemerlo9488
There is a poem, and a really awesome rendition by Clamavi de Profundis that mixes it with Galadriel’s Namarië.
The full thing here:
He chanted a song of wizardry,
Of piercing, opening, of treachery,
Revealing, uncovering, betraying.
Then sudden Felagund there swaying
Sang in answer a song of staying,
Resisting, battling against power,
Of secrets kept, strength like a tower,
And trust unbroken, freedom, escape;
Of changing and of shifting shape,
Of snares eluded, broken traps,
The prison opening, the chain that snaps.
Backwards and forwards swayed their song.
Reeling and foundering, as ever more strong
The chanting swelled, Felagund fought,
And all the magic and miht he brought
Of Elvenesse into his words.
Softly in the gloom they heard the birds
Singing afar in Nargothrond,
The sighing of the sea beyond,
Beyond the western world, on sand,
On sand of pearls in Elvenland.
Then the gloom gathered; darkness growing
In Valinor, the red blood flowing
Beside the Sea, where the Noldor slew
The Foamriders, and stealing drew
Their white ships with their white sails
From lamplit havens. The wind wails,
The wolf howls. The ravens flee.
The ice mutters in the mouths of the Sea.
The captives sad in Angband mourn.
Thunder rumbles, the fires burn -
And Finrod fell before the throne.
But does he stand a chance against Killabrimbor?
@@coadacatalin4510 Sauron captured Celebrimbor in the "War of the Elves and Sauron", and tortured him until Sauron was overthrown...so...probably?
Sauron's design is freaking badass
It's the shadow of war design
Ngl, but I prefer Peter Jackson's version. The long spikes on the helmet looks better then the shorter one's.
@@karthikbhalekar3052 well its a shame we barely got to see it much
@@alexlegoboy3513 Ikr
@@kadenbradley4034
God, those games are so good.
For a while i genuinely thought that these voices were just clips from the actual va's, these are some of the most accurate sounding voice actors death battle has ever had.
This is Patrick Seitz voice
Sauron's voice actor is more raspy and guttural than the voice of Sauron in the movies, which is more of a sibilant whisper. But I'm not complaining, because the Lich King fundamentally sounds like a human, while Sauron sounds like a monster.
@@danieldickson8591 Sauron's Voice was superb. Arthas also was done very well
Lich King: “In this cold north you will find only death”
Sauron:”There is no life in the void, only death”
nice sam pfp
you just rephrased there conversation. Thats like the most no effort comment ever
sauron sound alot like something from Starcraft protoss XD
@@KiotheCloud he sounds a lot like Noob Saibot’s voice from MK11
Dr. Claw Sauron
I'm so glad someone finally represented Sauron's shapeshifting ability that's shown in the Silmarillion
But the thing is... he lost that ability after the destruction of Numenor.
Sauron was defiantly the mightier Lord, but as impressive as his endurance is, you don't go from getting literally smitten by Capital-G God without some crippling effects.
@@KarizenMagi technically, this fight was using SOM lore as part of a composite, meaning he’d keep that
Also technically it’s said he lost the ability to take a fair form, meaning it’s possible he could take other shapes. The Death Battle Blog does mention this is meant to be Sauron at his prime
@@KarizenMagi In it it's said that he's no longer able to take the shape of his fair form or his Maiar form again, it never says he's unable to shapeshift completely after the fall of Numenor.
Sauron's Battle with Huan is epic and he got bodied by the best doggo ever Hahahha
@@kingwizard341 Huan built different tbh
Though in fairness, Sauron was weakened by Luthien as I recall
The last shot of the One Ring King sitting upon a melting throne was absolutely divine.
That steam tho 👌
No pibby corruption vs r34? Cringe
@@abulletant1147 wtf
Lol.
There was nothing divine about that. Just sheer terror and nightmare fuel.
Just reading the LotR series, you simply cant grasp how powerfull the one Ring and Sauron are.
Mainly because we never see them at full ppwer.
But the dread and memory of him at full power is backed into the world.
Well consider this gives us an idea how powerful he is to an extent.
Lady galadrial one of the most powerful elves on middle earth with one of the ring of power and the light bulb thing.
She single handedly used all her power to defeat Sauron in a match of raw power during the hobbit film in Dol Guldur fortress of Sorcery.
It drained all of Galadrials power to banish Sauron away
@@koreancowboy42 That was also a weakened Sauron since he had vastly expended his power in numenor
@@robertwye9463 wouldn't say he's that weakend note the fact Sauron hid himself for a long time planning his return and attacks in the Fortress of Sorcery, Dol Guldor
And not even Galadriel or anyone was able to sense it, then Sauron be able to fight Gandalf during the hobbit, where Gandalf shielded himself and got his staff burned and destroyed.
@@koreancowboy42Considering Sauron lacked the One Ring, he was still in a weakened state. Which just goes to show how powerful Sauron actually is.
oh? What type of power are we dealing with here city mountain island country continent?
Even though Arthas lost this battle, this death battle did more justice for him than WoW Battle of Azeroth.
Edit: Sorry I meant Shadowlands
Don't forget the Dumpster fire that is Shadowlands.
I don't think so Sauron literally stole his chain and took his throne
Oddly enough the hearthstone encounter probably did him the most justice out of any portrayal he's had.
@@shawnwarrynn8609 as long as people in China like it, it doesn’t matter what we say
@@uria3679 I think fans over there hate it too. Granted I stay clear of anything CCP related as it's likely BS.
Time stamps:
0:34 Sauron
8:45 Lich King
15:30 Battle
ok
thank you
chad
thanks for this, I don't rrally need to know all that explanation bullcrack
Thanks you are a saint.
Sauron is so smart
Good
Good
Very nice
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Nice ☺️
You know, people often forget because it's really easy to forget, but Tolkien's creatures, heroes, and villains are REALLY POWERFUL. He held back a great deal when writing. Or, better put, because his was a heroic, low magic setting, it's easy to underestimate them despite how well written they are.
Smaug is great for putting things into perspective. A rough estimate of his size puts him at the size of a football field (based on being apparently unable to open his mouth inside a 5' tall passage), and would lose a fight to a Balrog. Gandalf the Grey was barely able to kill a Balrog, and as the Grey he was in a weakened state. The Witch-king of Angmar was considered the equal of Gandalf the White, who was in a stronger state than when he was the Grey. Even then the Witch-king was in a weakened state because Sauron lacked the Ring, and was considered but a shadow of what he would be when Sauron is at full power. And Sauron himself eclipses even the Witch-king.
Smaug (a dragon the size of a football field capable of singlehandedly destroying an entrenched Dwarven army) < Balrog = Gandalf the Grey < Gandalf the White = Witch-king of Angmar
@@calsalitra4689fun fact: if I remember correctly dragons in Tolkien's work don't even breathe fire they just straight up breath physical destruction that just so happens to look like fire
unrelated but DUE I LOVE YOUR ANNE PFP
@@calsalitra4689 gothmog=sauron
Yeah Sauron was more powerful than osse who could life 4.9 quadrillion tons of rock(numenor) out of the ocean. Tolkien himself said Gandalf was the only one who could kill him by himself using the one ring against Sauron and Gandalf could kill a balrog which is literally a lesser god that was corrupted and subsequently given more power by Morgoth which shows how strong Gandalf was. But the fact that Gandalf needs the one ring to kill Sauron shows that Sauron really is on another level.
Wanted Sauron to win as LOTR fan, but halfway through fight didn’t care who won at that point. This was BADASS as hell!
Same! I had a feeling that Sauron would win, even though I knew little about the World of Warcraft!
I’m a lich king fan but also love Sauron both characters are awesome in each lore so I would be fine with any side winning
Was rooting Sauron but thought Arthas would take it
Solid matchup tho on god
He should have won, let's be honest.
I thought it was pretty boring it felt really slow and the death was horrible too
Man I do wonder what Tolkien would think about his character winning.
You know after we get past the whole Internet existing in the first place discussion.
Awesome episode as usual.
He would probably ask himself from where Sauron got that mace (it was invented for the movie).
probably shake his head and wonder if he should have created him.
@@pile-o-nonsense3688 he would make a backstory on how Sauron got that mace
He would find the whole concept of Death Battle to be silly and juvenile. But he's a stuffy old British man, so take that for what it is.
@@gameuniverse5973 To be fair, killing people with his bare fists and fire sounds cooler then using some big mace
This fight was a lot like Omniman vs Homelander in that I knew the winner as soon as I saw it spoiled but it was still epic as hell to watch. Sauron erupting Mount Doom to counter remorseless winter and going into eye and spirit form to counter the plague was awesome as hell.
I mean at least lich king isn't a dickhead like homelander
Goated for knowing the name of the spell
Don't compare this with the fight of those two overrated garbage characters fighting each other.
@@kurvos That was one of the best episodes in the show
Arthas actually put up a decent fight
Sauron catching one of the litchking’s spectrals, burning it, then throwing it back is absolutely gangster.
@@TheAstropotatoe nothing in the lore gives him this ability though. Sauron can only alter his soul. The lich kings ability to summon undead doesn't use souls as anything more than fuel. Only the creation of Higher undead uses souls. Like the forsaken or death knights. Everything else is soulless including the apparitions. Meaning they failed on this part of the lore as well.
I actually believe this is the power of domination from the shadow of mordor games@@zurran00
@@zurran00 Dude, Sauron is a master of fire and necromancy. You think catching a ghost and burning it is out of his league?
@@PanzerShrek94 he's not a master. No where does it say that.
Honestly, one thing I absolutely loved was both combatants' tones. Lich King is all boasting and prideful while Sauron sounds bored and emotionless in his tone. And it fits both perfectly. Sauron has been around far longer, so he more than likely has heard hundreds (if not thousands) of the kinds of boasting foes Lich King is. I did also love specific things about their tones, like Lich King having things such as boasting because he's still a man under all that armor and Sauron sounds more bored or emotionless cause he's a god and has been around for a VERY long time. I also loved how "I serve NO ONE" sounded genuinely furious in the case of Sauron as though he was insulted (and he clearly was) that a mortal would dare give a deity like himself such a command. In fact, a replay of the fight showed me that the moment Arthas succeeded in making Sauron angry, Sauron stopped screwing around and took things way more seriously.
Technically Sauron isn't a god (however much he thinks he is) but a fallen angel. But otherwise I agree!
@@hetalianotaku7103 you are right,but to mortals like us he might as well be considered one lol.
@@sokratikas Regardless, even Tolkienites like me can forget how Sauron in LOTR was basically on life support. Seeing him in his prime like this did much to remind me of how he came to be called "the Abhorred" (the meaning of his name in Elvish) in the first place!
@@hetalianotaku7103 ikr,the guy in the war of the last alliance single handedly pushed back the last alliance armies before Gil galad and elendil jumped in. And sauron was much weakened by the destruction of numenor by eru then
@@sokratikas While DB did bring up Sauron's survival of the sinking of Númenor, given what some people are saying in the comments, in all fairness, it could've been made clearer that he didn't walk away unscathed.
When Lich King shouted "IMPOSSIBLE!!", it just reminded me of just how masterful the voice acting in this death battle is. This show is a treat.
Impossible is a line from wow. It's not their voice acting
@@thanagor7150 I checked the credits and the names of the voice actors were different than the original. I don't believe that Death Battle borrows voices anymore.
@@CalamityShreds well, the other voice lines of arthas was not borrowed. But impossible was. He says the exact same thing in the exact same voice on top of icecrown when the ashbringer shatters frostmorne
@@thanagor7150 They didn't just copy and paste the audio from warcraft it was indeed their voice acting as the lich king was voiced by phillip sacramento in the credits
the fact that it fooled you to think that proves how good he did it
I highly doubt they would voice act Sauron who harder to do but not voice act litch king
Let's just take a moment to appreciate the fact that when not awaiting opponents at Icecrown Citadel, Arthas takes some time to shred as a Guitar Hero.
I hope Sauron at least has half of Arthas' musical prowess
@@peucoman Sauron can play the triangle everyone can play that
@@gameuniverse5973 what we need, is more cowbell
@@peucoman sauron helped sing the world into existence music is the main way to conjure magic in middle Earth.
So what you’re saying is, we have to make them compete in a Battle of the Bands next.
Hands down, one of the best death battles ever done ever since Sephiroph vs Virgil
Deadpool vs the mask
One of the worst
@@stefanzawalony1960keep coping
I dunno man. I was kinda bored throughout. None of it really interested me. It's not terrible, but it's not for me.
@@red5158077 I mean, that’s more respectable than just saying it’s bad just cause the characters don’t interest you or because of the result.
The One Ring to rule them all
One ring to find them
One ring to bring them all
And in the darkness bind them.
This was such an awesome fight!
Three Rings for the Elven Kings under the Sky.
Seven for the Dwarf Lords in their halls of Stone.
Nine for mortal Men doomed to die.
One for the dark lord on his dark throne in the land of Mordor where the shadows lie.
One Ring to rule them all.
One Ring to find them.
One Ring to bring them all
And in the darkness bind them in the land of Mordor where the shadows lie.
And 2 LOTR nerds
Lol
@@Mavve69 3 if you count the late Sir Christopher Lee.
...Green Lantern's light!
The visuals were PHENOMENAL this episode. You guys did so well with the effects! The models and lighting mesh perfectly, and the movements are smooth. The volcano eruption and the effects for Sauron's eye were jaw dropping as well! This episode of death battle was an absolute treat!
Not to mention the details in the sound design, like how the throne sizzled when Sauron sat down, very awesome match!
Is it just me or did Sauron have the same voice as Noob Saibot in Mortal Kombat 11?
@@Southernguy41 no noob saibot had Sauron voice but without the whispering
mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
My only complaint is that they spammed sponsors
The scene where Sauron casually erupts a mountain and turns it into a volcane is absolutely badass.
Sauron shattering Nerzhul (yes Nerzhul, not Frostmourne coz its literally one powerful spirit being destroyed by another more powerful one) was equally badass.
The director did a fantastic job with this one. So many great moments and scenes!
Sauron is an Angel after all, a fallen one but still, also he was an assistant to the God/Arch Angel/Valar of Smithing so him shattering both makes some sense as he has built a ton of stuff himself
Considering that Sauron is a Celestial God and the Lich King is human it's fair to say that Sauron is the physical embodiment of holy magic while the lich king is the lich king
@@forickgrimaldus8301 he lost that right. Tolkien made it clear when both sauron and his fellow maiar fell they are not able to access what they were. but yes he had the forging skill of his ainur lord.
@@SirToaster9330 sauron is NOT that and the lich king is NOT that either. sauron is more an angel that fell or like a minor god. nothing celestial about it. and the lich king is not "just a human". he's more an entity than anything. remember he fused with nerzul and with all their power combined.
@@thanoseid2883 he still has for the most part the only ones that lost memories were the Wizards, which is why despite being both Maiar Sauron seems more powerful but from what I can tell he is still gonna lose power the longer he stays on Middle Earth.
It's worth pointing out that Sauron was not wearing armor here, his body WAS the armor
He is a literal war machine
So he pulled a Mordekaiser from League before Mord existed
So if you lose your soul slowly but surely, then does that mean your body becomes a set of armor?
So if you try to take the helmet off it just does not come off?
@@franzicoyconsidering the Nazgul, yes
Sauron imbued his soul and power into the ring. He had to do that because it was needed to control the other rings of power given to already powerful people. The body was just a form to move around in. If he felt like fighting, he'd make a big hulking armor. If felt like subterfuge he'd take the form of an elf, he could shape shift into whatever form best suited his needs.
Sauron never thought he'd be separated from the ring, so when it was cut off his temporary body he lost the ability to manifest new physical forms.
18:23 “There is no life in the void. Only death.” God i got goosebumps
Frodo is getting trauma from that quote.
“You draw far too much attention to yourself, Mr. Underhill. I know what haunts you. You can no longer wait for the wizard, Frodo. They’re coming.”
Yeah that gave me the ultimate chills
He's right you know
I legit screamed "OMG, THEY DIDN'T" when Sauron turned and whispered "I see you...!"
The writers really know how to incorporate the one-liners from the competing IPs in these battles. Great job, and the voice acting too, really not bad!
Lol what? The voice acting was FAR MORE than just “rEaLly nOt bAD”, the voice acting here was absolutely PHENOMENAL here for both characters! FAR more than what you’re underselling here with your last statement here completely!
@@Gadget-Walkmen bro calm down they're just excited and giving compliments all around.
@@brentjones905 I AM calm, I’m just saying their last statement is underselling the fantastically well done voice work! That’s it!
@@Gadget-Walkmen well I'm sure they liked it just as much as you did
@@brentjones905 sure. Let’s hope so.
Sauron not only taking the KO but then sitting in his throne? Total disrespect and i love it
Sauron killed a man for his chair lmao
@@ItsButterBean1020+
And it was damned worth it. Considering the weather conditions around My Doom and just the overall climate of Mordor in general, I imagine Icecrown being to Sauron what a tropical holiday destination would be to someone who lives in Alaska. Why not make the most of it a kill the guy who lives there so you can take over his home for when you're visiting and need a holiday house.
@@justinanderson2460 Except backwards, as far as temperature, you mean?
Well Sauron just got himself a new soul to power a soul gem courtesy of the Lich King
👆
The only thing I found disappointing was that Sauron didn’t have the Ring tempt Arthas, thus making him more vulnerable.
I’m not sure if that power of the ring would be an issue for the Lich King. The lich king isn’t Arthas anymore (arthas and ner’zhuls souls merged)
The Lich King’s master is on the level of Titans canonically speaking (being powerful enough to cleave a planet in two), and the Lich King is already being dominated by more powerful magic than the one ring (magic of a being more powerful than Sauron)
Arthas already had his life screwed over by the sword. Do you think he's going to fall for the rings tricks after another item already did it?
@@Veldazandtea also sauron has no reason to and plenty reasons not to
the first that comes to mind is that making your enemy want your only weakness is usually a bad idea
Probably because it was unnecessary.
Like Wiz said, Sauron was the superior Dark Lord.
And Boomstick was Tolkien about it.
@@williamfadel4980 Litch king was Arthas. Arthas killed Nerzhul. I am sick of retcon BS. That was entirely Arthas. And he wouldnt be tempted because of Frostmourne. Problem is that Sauron is a better blackmith than any dingy nathrazeem or shadowlands titan, one look and he would know what he needs to do to break it apart....
I believe that the Eye of Acheras could tell Arthas that the ring was Sauron's weakness, but knowing that he needed to do that and being ABLE to do that are different things. Also, realistically, Arthas would NOT be willing to just toss the One Ring into Mount Doom. He already wore a cursed artifact and overpowered the evil spirit controlling it before, he would figure he could do it again, only to discover that Sauron is WAY more powerful than Ner'zhul. Long story short: even if Arthas "won" he wouldn't really win, he'd just become another Isildur.
but he likely had the power to keep it. like Galadriel, he'd be a new dark lord just as bad but different. i dont think the ring would escap ehim.
@@talkingpie1 And unlike Galadriel, Arthas wouldn't even need to be manipulated into doing evil, he just already does it. I guess it's questionable if this counts as defeating Sauron or not...
Literally everyone that tried to destroy the ring failed. Both Isildur and Frodo were entirely overtaken by the ring before they could throw it in, Sauron holding the door open for them was an invitation to even try, and no one actually did it, it was only Golums selfishness that ended in the ring accidently falling into the lava, had he been killed earlier, Frodo would have turned on Sam and likely killed him, kept the right, and been overtaken later..
@@ZenKrio This is also a slight misconception. The movies did a poor job of portraying Isildur as he was in the books. Isildur was on his way to Rivendell to consult Elrond on what to do with the ring. He was ambushed and killed, but he knew the ring was too much for him and was taking steps to have something done about it. Frodo absolutely was taken over by the ring at the end. So, just a slight thing to point out, but the point stands.
@@blazingsandwich1234 ahh okay then, I actually didn't know that because most of what I know is movie based. I have a friend that I talk with about the books but we haven't talked much about him, mostly Sauron.
I love the part when the lich king threw a snowball at sauron
I thought it was ice magic.
"Get off my chair bro!" *toss*
Do you yield??
*I do not*
@@corjonbett lololol
Best scene hands down
When frodo offered one ring to galadriel, she literaly Said that she, with the One Ring in her possession, would become stronger than the foundation of the earth, making their assuption on saurons power very, very modest.
But that is with Galadria's own considerable power. She was of the first generation of elves. More akin to dimigods than mortal beings.
@@singletona082 that is true, galadriel on her own is very powerful, i believe more powerful than sauron in the third age, without his ring(but i may be wrong)
However when sauron forged the One Ring, He had to put in it power of his own, great enough to control other rings of power, while still keeping plenty for himself. And the power of the One Ring was great enough to make every one go insane about it, and to turn galadriel into destroyer of the world (if i take her by her words).
My point is that the One Ring alone had to contain power much greater than they assume sauron had with the One Ring back on his hand.
There is much more to why i think their assuption is off, but if i were about to write it all down, nobody would read this (:
@@petrsimik2580 I'd read it; I love the lore and all the books. I need a new copy of the hobbit because our house flooded while I was in high school and ruined my only copy.
@@singletona082 Galadriel with the Ring is significantly weaker than Sauron with the Ring, so it's not clear what your objection is.
They do say their upper power is hard to pinpoint, which is why they went with the island feats. They like to go with feats that are more concrete and precisely calculable rather than stuff that is more speculative and harder to get an exact number on.
When I first saw Balrog vs TJ Combo, it became my favorite death battle by a significant margin for a long time. I can confidently say that this death battle has significantly lowered that gap. What can I say about Sauron vs Litch King that does it justice? The analysis did an excellent job describing how much of a threat they were to their respective worlds, and somehow managed to properly convey thier stories in such a short time. The animation is top notch. Whatever shots I used to think looked a bit off now look much better to me after seeing them a few times. The impact of their weapons clashing is immense, as it should be seeing as it's a mace hitting a greatsword. In fact, impactful is probably how I would describe this entire animation. Every single detail, sound, movement carried the weight of ten elephants strapped to a black hole. Sauron taking a step or even sitting down hits harder than half the death battles ever made. The dialog is top notch, with excellent voice acting that gets across how much the combatants see each other as being beneath them. The lines are stellar too, and it makes an amazing dynamic of Arthus's grandstanding compared to Sauron's much more subtle and sinister tone- which both fit the characters. Arthus literally brags about not having a heart, and Sauron never shows emotion in the entire fight until someone dares to suggest that he belongs to someone else. Top it off with stellar effects and probably the best cinematography death battle has ever had, and you get my second favorite death battle ever.
Congrats to my good friend Ryan Solis for his wonderful voice acting for Sauron. You were amazing!
It was actually scary how good he was here
@@ThenewTchannel I always enjoy the stuff he does. Definitely an amazing VA and good friend
Loved his voice, it was so badass!!!
Ain't he that Noob Saibot dude from MK11?
@@ahmadsalman3336 No. Sean Chiplock voiced Noob Saibot.
The raid for Sauron is a 25 man raid with one level 1 gnome holding a ring in his inventory, and the party has to carry him through ICC without dying.
That would be amazing
So it's not a raid, it's a 25 player escort mission 🤣🤣
@@johnfranklin87 gnome dies... mission failed
What's the WOW equivalent of Gollum?
@@kongmengyang1098 then you gotta start all over . . From the place where you first meet the escort 🤣😂
I was really hoping it would be a full on war between their two armies with them battling in the melee. Just hoards of undead and orcs slaughtering each other while the big bosses duked it out
But that would just be Warcraft. ;p
That would be a nice spectacle, but given the short duration of these Death Battles, I'd rather focus on the big bosses.
@@danieldickson8591 I've just been hoping for a full on war Death Battle between two fictional armies for awhile now. Like Hydra from Marvel VS Cobra from G.I. Joe
Maybe their armies are fighting offscreen?
Wasn't in the budget lol
A couple things to note about Sauron as well:
He is never actually stated to wield a weapon whatsoever, not even the mace the movie had him use. Rather, Sauron is described as fighting, and killing, with his "bare hands"! Which is described as being blackened and searingly hot!
Man slaughtered some of the greatest heroes to ever live with his HANDS.
Also, his greatest weapon is actually his ability to convince dang near anybody of dang near anything. He convinced the Valar ( essentially gods ) that he wasnt a bad guy really after genociding millions of people for thousands of years. he convinced the Numenoreans that actually they should betray Eru, he convinced the elves that they should make the rings.
he even convinced a man that if he only told him the whereabouts of his friend that Sauron would let him see his family. Only to promptly execute the man afterwards.
It's geniunely startling how easily the Internet breeds misinformation and delusion, at times, even for me.
No, none of this is really true. Sauron is never really described in any real detail AT ALL, especially in his fight against the -adventuring party- Last Alliance; we know he burned Gil-Galad, but that doesn't inherently mean he literally was so monumentally stupid as to go out to fight 3-5 legendary heroes with NO WEAPON.
He didn't 'convince' the Valar of anything, and the idea that he could or did legitimately fool them is so absurdly divorced from the actual source material as to be comical.
@@papapalps2415just to reiterate, i do agree that misinformation spreads quite fast, especially by those that sound the surest, and am therefore glad that of my six or so statements of Sauron's doings, only two seemed to warrant pointing out, and only one was truly flawed while the other is strictly a point of interpretation.
I see Sauron killing the greatest Heroes of the time, breaking the sword Anduril, and almost winning a monumental battle with only his Hands, hands blackened with soot and blazing hot like that of a furnace, as utterly terrifying and fantastical.
While i disagree that Sauron must have had a weapon, if that is how you interpret him then who am i to disagree with your imaginings of a made up character.
"You are unarmed?"
"Always."
"You stand alone."
"Often."
" you're the one who should be afraid."
"Never." -Doctor Who.
Sauron is so smart, he waited until after the Nerf to fight the Lich King.
Pardon me, but................what??
@@andylabardy242 basically when the Lich King was first put into the MMO World of Warcraft, he was SUPER hard to beat. He was nerfed and now he’s a pushover
@@andylabardy242 IDK. Either it’s something to do with balancing of the raid where you fight the Lich King or the retcons & general shortchanging Arthas went through in Shadowlands (WoW’s most recently released expansion). IDK, I could never get into WoW. Especially after I got into Final Fantasy XIV.
@@NN010 Ohhhhhh............Ok then.
In any case, seems like Sauron got lucky thanks to LK's nerf or whatever. Either way, I appreciate both U & the OG poster's answers.
Also, as I always tell myself: DB is simply all just entertainment!! Plain & simple!!!!
Either way, Thanks alot dear folks!!
Not sure if he's more powerful in his physical body form or his spirit one.
I’ve always had respect for Sauron, but it was so awesome to actually see him fight! Probably the only time we will ever see it unfortunately
No we will see him fight in rings of power season 2
@@Oogway3500 Eeww.That show was traversity.
I know it's an unpopular opinion, but the only thing I liked about that show was the actor of sauran. He was the only character who actually had a character development unlike Galadriel and all others
@@sepehradonis6959 most people want him to win
@@kaletovhangar
Travesty doesn’t even begin to describe it.
Ah yes, nothing like watching two magical, evil-whispering warlords fighting and magically evil-whispering to each other while doing so.
Lich King doesnt..doesn't... whisper at all. Every line is soul shatteringly loud roars that chill your spine?
Arthas does whisper loudly to you as you're doing the Shadowmourne quests but dang...forget farming for Shadowmourne, I want to get the One Ring now on my characters on WoW
@@Bladeki think that was already a thing with Azerite wasn't it?
@@jamessmall6499 from BfA?
Libvte pc gamers.
Post analysis side notes:
19:15 Ner'zhul performed a spell that destroyed a planet, but it required preparation, special items, and a group of followers. Also, the destruction of Draenor was a chain reaction of the spell going haywire over time, making it impossible to directly scale the Lich King to Ner'zhul.
19:54 An unnamed Eredar has destroyed the surface of a planet, but cannot scale to the Lich King as Eredar vary in power. Similarly, special Maiar have moved the sun & moon, but it is unclear how they compare to Sauron. Scaling both generously, Sauron would still be more powerful.
20:38 When compared to the Balrogs & Illidan, Sauron & the Lich King could both reach high hypersonic speeds of around Mach 30.
I don’t think the shattering of frostmourne is realistic. In-game it took the core of the Naaru (which is what is part of Ashbringer) to shatter it. Frostmourne isn’t just a steel weapon and lorewise was shattered by the core of something that powers intergalactic spaceships
@@williamfadel4980 That's something that bothered me as well. They treat Frostmourne as a mere magical weapon, not a literaly soul-cleaving hellblade that was broken because it was struck with a blow that had about as much of it's cosmological polar opposite as mortally possible. The strongest Paladin of the time, swinging a blade that uses the heart of a Naaru as it's core and it's all powered by the Light. And DB is just like "lol, Sauron hit it really hard so it broke"
Yeah I think they honestly just leaned hard on sauron because he has more history, but imo this would be a deadlocked fight that would last forever because sauron wouldn't be able to logically break frostmourn like they showed and he would just keep rebuilding his body with lk having no real way to kill move him. Would've been a cooler ending also for them to fight for eternity fire and ice.
@@Servellion yea but remember sauron has a ring that literaly gives your whatever you want and he's top strength the balrog would lose to him hard gandalf would lose to him without the ring he's got the power and he's weilding a mace in a body that is a literal war machine he's about as well placed as anyone to pull it off
@@marley7868it's not as much a strength or power thing as it is a nature of magic thing. Frostmourne will only break by the most holy of powers the same power of saurons enemies. So to break half of the litch king because well reasons is a little ridiculous. It's like trying to torture a full blown masochist, yeah you could but how much would you really get out of him if you beat a person who enjoys getting beaten.
I like how this Death Battle is basically Fire vs. Ice.
Zuko vs Shoto lol
Edit: Ok I get it shoto uses Ice and fire lol stop sending backlash
The soundtrack is going to be an epic song of ice and fire.
@@Blankyzs Doesn’t count because Todoroki uses fire & ice not just ice. Sauron just uses fire and Lich King just uses ice. Neither uses both.
@@Blankyzs that was more so fire vs fire and ice.
Its not at all
Wiz: "The Lich King seemed unstoppable."
Boomstick: "Only one thing can take him down... A 25 man raid team of the best nerds WoW has to offer!"
Ah... The memories. Good times.
Don’t forget about that one jerk who was only there because he was friends with another guy but totally sucked.
Isn't that one time on a custom campaign
The bane of EVERY completely unstoppable divine/cosmic/abstract entity with casual control over the very forces of existence and interdimensional magic.
Missed opportunity for a "LEEROY JENKINS!!!" joke here.
Legend has it red shirt guy could take him on by himself
I knew Sauron was a boss, but I didn't know he was THAT boss! That was AWESOME!
Yeah, it's easy to forget that when we saw him in LotR he was essentially clawing his way out of the hospital bed. Full power was a thing to behold.
Yep. He raises armies because it's fun, not because he needs their help.
Never underestimate LOTR stuff......... :)
Except he was not capable of any of that.
Sauron was a crafter and manipulator, and in the legendarium he himself lost every fight he was in.
The only true part here is his shapeshifting, but he lost that ability during the fall of numeanor. Which was long before he crafted the ring. Before the fall of numeanor he was more powerful then when the ring was around.
@@greatbrae302 he killed two very powerful and strong kings at the same time in his second weakest form, the only reason he lost the Haun fight was cause he was trick/blinded and Haun took the opportunity to bite his neck. In the first age man walked in to a fortress filled with all types of warriors and made them run in complete fear or died from shock. In his wolf form it was so terrifying that the women who put morgoth to sleep couldn't stand the sight of sauron.
I love how Sauron made the volcano erupt just to flex.
Not just to “flex” but to help him see. It actually DID benefit Sauron from the heat of the volcano blowing away the snow that the lich king had covering around him, that's why he said "I see you". Which was MORE than just a callback line.
There is no volcano in Icecrown. Its a literal glacier.
@@sarttee Yeah but it was just placed there for this fight only for dramatic effect.
@@Gadget-Walkmen yeah... alot of things in this video were made for dramatic effects.... Sauron fighting aganst Frostmourne with a regular mace lol
@@sarttee LOL What? That wasn't a "Regular mace" AT ALL, that's Sauron's iconic mace from the films, that should be clear.
16:30 I like the image of Lich King throwing a snowball at Sauron. Idk something about it is just hilarious to me.
Snowball fight!
One does not simply watch Death Battle without getting Excited
That’s how I felt for the first episode of season 9 part 2. I had no real emotional connection to either, and neither was my preferred matchup for them, plus some ass hat spoiled it.
I don't get excited any time there's a toon character on one side. Toons can't lose against non-toons.
Ignore Carlos, I’m fifty percent sure he’s a troll since he said the exact opposite of what happens in both the SpongeBob and Halloween episodes.
I'm pretty excited. If they stay accurate to Tolkien's legendarium then Sauron is going to be pretty OP.
@@carlosblanco3189 nope Sauron wins
What I enjoy most is the multiple levels on which this fight takes place. Each of these monsters wields a host of incredible powers, and the ways they attacked and countered each other kept the flow of battle shifting constantly between them.
Goddamn, this entire fight was awesome. From the contrast of fire and ice, to the sheer power behind all their attacks, to Sauron sitting on the throne.
Fire vs ice has already been done before ex: zuko vs todoroki also I have an idea for the next battle after deku vs Asta how about Steve (Minecraft) vs Edward Elric (full metal alchemist)
@@astinkytaco tbf. Todoroki had both fire AND ice. It wasn't just pure fire vs ice like this one.
Also that match up depends VERY heavily.if it's creative mode steve then yeah steve wins(I doubt they would use creative mode though) but if it's lore accurate steve then Steve is getting slammed
Pro-tip: Gimili is the only one who actually tried to destroy the One Ring. Frodo failed at the end and Golem destroys it by accident.
Huh... Ya know, I've never thought of that before. But that angry little Dwarf really WAS the only one to try and destroy that thing.
Sam probably would've done it too though
Wait, are we following the canon from the books or from the films? Because iirc, Gimli actually trying to destroy the ring comes from the movies (a visual way to show why it's not destroyed by any "normal" means), while Gollum destroying the ring by accident, comes from the books (in the film, it drops to the lava after Frodo and Gollum fight for it).
The one ring only fell in because it betrayed itself. While succumbing to the one ring’s power, Frodo told Gollum “Begone and trouble me no more. If you touch me ever again you shall be cast yourself into the fire of doom”
Gollum is entirely enslaved to the ring’s will, and in so taking the ring and touching Frodo, he is forced to it’s own will, and bound to cast himself into the magma below.
Quite simply, no one, mortal or otherwise, can resist the power of the One Ring.
"The sad fact is, there will always be a Lich king. But there will never or ever will be another Witch King"
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Wanna know what's funny about this? It's not even true anymore
He may have lost in the end, but he put up a great fight against one of the biggest villains in all of fiction, it was still one of the closest fights of a season that was mostly incredibly close fights, and he had the best line of "You will find NOTHING THERE!" GG Lich King, well done.
This was not even close cause they hyped and highballed sauron thus making it biased in his favor instantly and just handing him an instant win button.
@@heavyweaponsguy6284Someone is salty.
honestly they ignored in the factor one of the LK powers even though they mentioned it in the backstory. ANY attack the LK lands also does damage to the soul. thus the ring is now not the only way to kill sauron. the LK is super effective against sauron and any damage he does is permant and actual damage. and im going to be honest comparing the island raising feat is on the low scale of the feats they could have compared him to since there have been significantly stronger things that he has bested
@@quincyking010 he pretty much put his soul into the one ring unless the Lich king starts hitting it he’s not doing soul damage to him
I will say, as a massive Tolkien fan myself, this was a truly impressive representation of Sauron(at least in the 'research' section!). Keeping the references to games and movies to a minimum, and showing off not only the power of Tolkien's most impactful villain, but also perfectly summarizing why he would never have expected his own downfall. Now to see if the battle itself honours Gorthaur the Cruel!
...Well that was a hell of a spectacle! The werewolf form getting a shot was wonderful. Well done, guys. Well done.
Quick question if you don’t mind my asking, with Sauron this powerful, how was he defeated in the first place? Was it really just some normal dude cutting him with a sword or was more at work that wasn’t shown in the films?
@@cubaj8723 he was defeated due to the ring being destroyed, something irresistible to any mortal man.
@@tristancummings5925 I think the question is why was Sauron always the “all seeing eye” the entire trilogy, how did he get stuck like that (at least for most of the movies anyway)?
@@cubaj8723 Sauran faced in that battle some of the most powerfull elves and humans who also carried powerfull enchanted weapons (and the elves and humans of that time were mighty indeed). He also hadnt recoverd (and never would) from the damage he received when eru illuvatar destroyed Numenor. And he still almost won.
@@tristancummings5925 if I recall correctly in the movie, some mortal cut off Sauron’s ring finger and he lost most of his power as a result
I was surprised that you guys didn’t mention that when Sauron went by Gorthaur, he was more than just a shapeshifter. His first title was The Necromancer and he raised corpses and hung out with vampires and werewolves on an island with a tower on it.
I knew about the necromancer part, but not the vampires and werewolves part.
It definitely would have seemed very fitting wouldn't it. I've always felt this battle really exemplifiesld the "shadow and flame" vs the "cold dark" takes on the evil overlord caricature - both if which I've always really liked. Weird fact though, Morgoth was actually more of a cold dark figure than one of shadow and flame. The biggest difference being it was more like the cold of the void rather than snow and ice etc. Just pure darkness with no light or warmth.
I’d also note, this gives Sauron his canon feats of soul manipulation
Werewolves are normal wolves imbued with dark spirits, there’s also the Barrow Wights which are the same iirc
The Sindar called Sauron 'Gorthaur the Cruel', but he didn't go by that name 😁 same with Morgoth, who's real name is Melkor 👹
Sorry ladies Sauron is taken. He clearly put a ring on it.
That has to be the stupidest, most simple joke, NOT said by Boomstick. Way to take that trophy, Kyle.
yep
Man, the one ring to pun them all.
Is making bad puns a hobbit of yours?
@@cdwarrior6582 It’s an Eru of his ways.
What is the worst way to loose :
-getting his ring to fall in lava by accident during a fight between 2 hobbits
-getting rekt by 25 nerds and a paladin with a shiny sword
You decide
I think Sauron's defeat, because he doesn't even get a chance to fight back against his demise. Made worse by how preventable his defeat would have been if Gollum wasn't there or if he didn't fall off the cliff.
@@justinalicea1590 he was tripped by eru in the novels so atleast sauron has the excuse of divine intervention leading to his downfall
Real talk, the brief flash of Sauron's eye when Sauron cuts through Lich King's sword/arm genuinely went so hard.
I find litch king throwing a snowball in the fight to be the best part
The will to dominate all life was on full display in both combatants. You knew that whoever wins, we lose.
The Dark Lord the sits upon a Throne of Fire and Ice, is the one that would Rule them all
Seeing Sauron and Arthas' backstories back to back like this really highlights the differences between complicated and convoluted.
Which one's which, though?
@@Danny-tf3fd I guess the story which is the basis for practically all modern fantasy and is only outsold by the bible is not the convoluted one.
LoTR is the standard on which all alt medieval fantasy is based. It literally started the genre and has not been topped in scope since.
I would argue DnD has but it would be wrong.
@@rogue_2k374 Yeah, DnD actually started off as basically a way to play LOTR as an RPG.
How does a show based on high school boys bored VS. conversations get LotR lore more accurate than a multi-billion dollar company like Amazon?
Cause one actually knows the series lol
Because we read the books.
Imagine if a Warcraft raid party suddenly walked in on Sauron and the Lich King fighting.
Party leader to group: "Should we sit back and watch, pick off the winner; or join in the fight?"
"Yeah, I think Imma stay away from that."
Party: Who the hell is that?
That one person that knows LOTR: run.
The one idiot in every raid party: *runs into the middle of the fight* "LEEEEROOOOOYYYYYYY JEEEENNNNKKIINNNNSSS"
.....or an overleveled player going there for their weakly mount farm-run lol
"I will rip out your heart"
"You will find nothing there!!!" So badass
"You serve me now!!!"
"I serve NO ONE!!!!!"
“There is no life in the void! Only DEATH!”
In this cold north, you will find only Death
I think “I don’t have one “ would’ve been a better comeback .
Sauron closing his hand and erupting the mountains nearby, and the instantaneous temperature change evaporating all the snow on the other peaks really set the tone for how out of his depths The Lich King was.
2 minutes into the fight and Sauron has turned the Lich King's resting place into Mount Doom.
Yeah and this first time sauron get more screen time lol🤣
More like Blackrock Mountain.
The lines of dialogue in this are worth it alone. Sauron takes this easy though IMO. He has no weakness besides his own hubris when he doesnt perceive someone as a threat. He is basically a god and the embodiment of pure evil. The ending cinematic of him melting the ice throne is so (ironically) cold.
To be fair, lorewise the Lich King would rank roughly equal to Sauron in terms of ‘god-likeness’ (not power)
Lich King’s master ranks equal to titans (who ordered the universe, and are able to cleave planets in half). Lich King is known as the ‘god of death’ by many races ingame
The relationship between the Lich King and the Jailor would be akin to Sauron / Melkor
Funnily enough, the lich king actually had less of a chance than a normal person, literally becaue he actually drew the gaze of the all-seeing eye
Recent lore reveals about Frostmourne show that it was actually much more than just a soul-eating hellblade that gets stronger with every soul it consumes, it's a literal key to the land of the Dead as I understand it. It was only shattered by Fordring because he was wielding a weapon that was it's literal polar opposite. As for L.K. himself, well he is described as being an "entity that holds within it, the consciousness of the most cunning, intelligent, and ruthless individuals to ever exist." Bear in mind also the simple fact that like Sauron, the only reason we beat the Lich King was because of his arrogance. He humored a fight. Purposely fought below 100% because he wanted to bring out the best in the group fighting him so they'd make more powerful servants. The entire Lich King fight in ICC is basically the party being toyed with by him for a bit, before he decides to say "screw it," casually plants frostmourne into the ground, and blasts them all dead. The only thing that saves them is he forgot about Tirion long enough for him to break free and take him by surprise before using mass resurrection on the raid group after shattering Frostmourne. I think this fight is actually a lot more evenly matched than they made it.
Intro (0:04)
Sauron's Rundown (0:34)
Lich King's Rundown (8:44)
Fight (15:29)
Results (18:49)
Next Time (21:21)
Sauron win he stronger than lich king